Manchester United Rumours Archive July 03 2012
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03 Jul 2012 23:41:55
BREAKING: Manchester United files for an Initial Public Offering with US government to list shares on the New York Stock Exchange: United want to sell $100 million worth of shares. Jefferies, Credit Suiise & JP Morgan are the bankers among others.
Sorry about the copy and paste lots about transfers,players,money in the rest of it
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I know there'll be a lot of glazer slating here and I hate them as much as anyone but this can only be good as its stated raising money to pay off debt
Dustbin
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Where is this reported? Exciting if true!
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To pay off Glazer debt. Which means they can start taking dividends. Being debt free is a good thing for the Glazers and whatever new investors buy up the US shares. The only way it will be a good thing for the club is if the Glazers make a genuine commitment to reinvesting the clubs profits back into the club rather than into their pockets.
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Good news but I was hoping for a 1 billion dollar and 25-30% float that was reported a few months ago. I expect revenue projections have increased with the new tv rights deal so less of a sale will be made.
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Filing also says reducing debt could: ‘availability of our cash flow to fund the hiring and retention of players and coaching staff’
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Which wont happen!
Flimbo
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Wont be long have the buckets out for small change......
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Agree with Dustbin, it's only now the Glazers have come out and admitted that this debt runs the risk of not being able to compete. The way I look at this is that SAF knows our squad isn't good enough, Fletcher future in doubt, Ando constantly injured, kids leaving for the pound signs in their eyes, Owen, Berba, Macheda, Bebe, Park, all set to leave, with our poor Euro campaign last year we don't have the funds for a complete revamp. This IPO will hopefully generate more funds at the same time as testing the shares market. If successful, would the Glazers then look to raise £1bn to pay off the debt? Wouldn't be surprised.
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Yeah u gunna make 60 mill but still be about 450 mill in debt,dream on debt free....
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One thing , it's not to raise $100m , that's the minimum about to raise only used as a figure to work out the calculated listing price
Dustbin {Ed002's Note - You are much closer to the true purpose - the owners do not want to float any significant percentage and have the club undervalued. Hence this floatation.}
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This will only raise about £64m, which is nothing when the debt is almost £500m.
The important part of this is that on the official paperwork for this share release it states that the debt on the club has a detrimental effect on the club in the transfer market and paying staff wages. I believe this is the first time anybody linked with the club has officially said the debt is preventing United buying or paying players. In the past Gill or SAF has said they have the money to spend but the reason they are not spending is because there is no value in the market.
They have included on the paperwork that any extra money raised from this share release will be invested into the club and go towards transfers/wages, but I wouldn't hold your breath. {Ed004's Note - The debt is closer to 400 million.}
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I'm surprised this is such a low level listing. This equates to about £64m. Clearly the Glazers need to raise cash without diluting their existing control.
This could, emphasis on the word could, highlight we are going to spend big in the transfer market though ?
Halesini
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This is not quite right. Yes, there is going to be an IPO on the NYSE, but the listing states that the figure of $100m is only for the purposes of establishing a fee for the listing to go ahead. The amount to be raised may be much more than this (or possibly less, but this is unlikely). Also the new company (based in the Cayman Islands) will have Class A and Class B shares. The Class A shares will be for sale, the Class B shares will be retained by the Glazers. Not only will the voting rights of the Class A shares be considerably less than those of the Class B shares, the Class A shares will not attract regular dividends (so the only gain for Class A shareholders will be the possible future increase in value of the company and hence the shares).
At last the Glazers have formally acknowledged that the debt is a major issue in United remaining able to buy and pay the really top players and this IPO is part of the solution to this problem - typical of the Glazers, using other peoples money to pay off the debt and help fund new players.
Don't expect any of the funds raised to do anything to help the matchgoing fans (by reducing or holding ticket prices for example). We may get more exciting players to watch and may be able to keep up with sugar-daddy teams, but Glazers are going to hang on in until they see a way of making a considerable profit for themselves by a full-scale sell-off. This could be many years away, regretably.
Mike B.
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The following is a quote from the flotation Document:
The term is apparently used at its most chilling at the bottom of page 25. Here, the document states: "Our indebtedness could adversely affect our financial health and competitive position."
This is the Glazers publicly conceding – after seven years of denials from them, Sir Alex Ferguson, the manager, and the chief executive, David Gill – that the £423m debt loaded on the club by the US-based family when buying it in 2005 "increases the risk" of their ability to operate it as competitive business.
This section goes on to state: "As of March 31, 2012, we had total indebtedness of £423.3m. Our indebtedness increases the risk that we may be unable to generate cash sufficient to pay amounts due in respect of our indebtedness. It could also have effects on our business."
Of the six ways this could happen three are of particular concern. The debt could "affect our ability to compete for players and coaching staff; limit our flexibility in planning for, or reacting to, changes in our business and the football industry; [and] increase our vulnerability to general adverse economic and industry conditions".
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Don't all get excited. You can lie to the fans but you can't lie to the SEC. Amongst the submitted pages I understand there are 43 separate references to the Club's debt. And it makes clear the our indebtedness is such that it has affected our ability to compete.
So all the lies we have been fed over the years (Gill was denying all this until just recently) are shown to be just that - lies. The Glazers bought Man U with someone else's money. We know that. Now they are looking to raise cash by diluting their ownership without losing control of their cash cow.
A bad day for the Club when the Glazers realised the money they could make if the got their sticky fingers on our Brand. Our best hope is that the offer is a failure. It has to get worse before it begins to get better.
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We can only hope that with the money being used to clear debt, that a higher percentage of our turnover will be made available for transfers etc. Only time will tell I guess. But whichever way you look at it - reducing the debt has to be seen as a positive to the club as profitability will rise
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"As of March 31, 2012, we had total indebtedness of £423.3m. Our indebtedness increases the risk that we may be unable to generate cash sufficient to pay amounts due in respect of our indebtedness. It could also have effects on our business."
Isn't the above just stating the obvious? i.e. if we didnt have the debt then we would have more money to play around with
ED2 if your not too busy - in your opinion does this statement highlight that the Glazer's actually now believe we will struggle to compete with the current levels of debt? OR is it more a standard practise to provide a valid reason to seek the flotation i.e. does it just sound better than 'we need the money to spend more on transfers or to make a greater profit' ?
Thanks
Gav {Ed002's Note - They don't want all of the profit being used to pay down debt - as such they want to reduce the debt and maximise the profit.}
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Any reason why my posts are not getting shown?
Are we seeing censorship at it's finest?
Nice.
Bob {Ed002's Note - There were no posts being cut Bob but as you seem unhappy we can make it so they are.}
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Cheers Ed2, I guess that sounds like a sensible way ahead
Gav
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03 Jul 2012 21:53:34
Fryers gone too, off to Spurs I think. United made an offer, haven't heard back from him.
United Till I Die 1987
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Another massive loss to those who think every reserve player is going to be a mega star
Dustbin
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Hrm strange really why are they leaving for
being at the best club in the world what else do they want ok playing time is one thing but that is 4 in the last 2 seasons who have left and they are supposed to be future stars
sommat wrong here me thinks
also saf still has not sorted the midfield probs and yes i am a man utd fan
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Fryers, ravel, pogba and...? i've completely drawn a blank for the 4th
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The subtext is that we can't compete in the transfer market and we can't rely on younger players coming through.
Morrisson, Pogba and now Fryers.
I've been a follower of the club since just after Munich and have never felt so depressed over our prospects. The cracks appeared after the Glazers arrived and are widening and deepening.
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Agree about that cracks appering since the Glazers took over (500million alone been paid in interest on the loan they took out to buy us,absoulte disgrace!)
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03 Jul 2012 17:29:55
Ed02....who is the most likely to sign modric?....thanks {Ed002's Note - Tough call. Right now RM or MU. Maybe he wioll wantto hear waht AVB has to say first. If I had to pick, one Real Madid.}
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Where is Real Madid from?
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Ed002 had a few too many wines haha?
rpc {Ed002's Note - Actually an unlit laptop keyboard and a darkened room.}
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Ed002, Guillem Balague has said that the Modric thing has gone cold with RM. I think it really means RM will go away and come back with a different offer. What do you think will be a suitable offer for everyone player wise? Diarra could be going elsewhere, Kaka probably isn't feasible wage-wise and Sahin isn't interested. Do you think it may have to be a cash only offer and if so can RM realistically do it? Of course they could afford Mods, but what about their other targets? Could RM turn their attentions to another player?
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - One problem will always be trying to include a player in any deal - clubs much prefer to choose the players they wish to buy. They have tried elsewhere (in South America) to use Kaka as part of a deal but the wages just made it impossible. I would still think that £25-30M is reasonable.}
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I Think he may want to sell Modric and get Moutinho but the problem may be Levy will not want to sell to another Premier league club i know you have said you know of zero interest from Chelsea ED but may they become interested in Modric? {Ed002's Note - Modric?}
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I think chelski will sign modric as they will splash the cash this yr, i would prefer joao moutinho youger more dynamic, can play as a attacking or defensive midfielder!
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03 Jul 2012 19:26:43
Well, there goes Pogba. SAF "Pogba signed for Juve ages ago & has shown mufc no respect" & " I have yet to hear from Fryers or his agent"
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Good ridence the player is a total d**k and juventus can have him, as for fryers still believ there are better players than him so if he goes don't think its a big loss,
really hope we push on and get mountinho and rodriguez and possibly baines
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If they don't want to play for us then good riddance. Let them see if the grass is any greener.
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Why would Pogba want Italy to be his home rather than Salford? No reasons except
Food
Weather
Opera
Restaurants
Clothes Shops
Friendly people
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To the above , notice you didn't add first team football to that and I think you missed out a massive wage for someone who's a reserve team player
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No name, you are a dingbat and obviously not a United fan. The weather in Turin is actually worse than Salford, unless of course you like Freezing winters with lots of snow. Oh it also rains just as much in Turin as it does here. The food is a strange one, because last time I looked Salford and Manchester has more then just a couple of restaurants. The opera? Well you can have that one as it is s***e. Clothes shops? He is going to Turin NOT Milan! And of course there are no clothes shops in the area. Friendly people? Have you ever been to Northern Italy? Say no more on that one.
You say Salford, but let's get it straight, do you think he will actually come to Salford? He would no doubt live in Cheshire and train at carrington. If he made the grade he would perhaps one day play regular football at Old Trafford, but not for a while as he is just not good enough yet.
It seems that this move can only be money motivated for either him or his agent. Does he know that Juve have just spent heavily on there midfield?
So, no name, next time you make a dig or have a go at Salford or United, just make it one that isnt so bitter.
Red Pedro - a proud Salfordian and United fan.
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03 Jul 2012 18:40:44
Sir Alex on MUTV... ''Paul Pogba signed for Juventus a long time ago as far as we're aware, I dont think he showed us any respect at all''
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Good riddance ! He will have a comfy seat from the stands of the staid delle alpi
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Good riddance! we move on! believe me this
kid will never be as viera. all hype.
ggmu
saj {Ed002's Note - Why not thank him for what he did and wish him well.?}
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He didn't show any respect for Lille either - but then again neither did we! That's what you get for hiring mercenaries.....
Home grown talent like Becks, Giggs, Scholes, Neville's etc all want to play for the club not JUST the wage slip
Good riddance
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No need to thank a prat who has no respect for utd.
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Pogba is right.
Every man for himself, he wanted to play.
but SAF snubbed him, even for the Wigan match.
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I'd be very surprised if he was Warming the seats of the stadio delle alpi . Unless there hiring him as a construction worker ;) DISNEY!
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I can not see him getting much game time at juv, but if they loan him out and he gets a good run of games, he will be a top top star in a couple of years...
besides if he did sign a while back i bet he wishes he didn't now after the remarks from his agent regarding van persie and going to italy and the fact that juv have also just added another 2 mids to their squad since then...
all the best to him
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Couldn't agree more Oxred . He can't develop if he doesn't get to play. Reckon he's been well and truly stitched up by Raiola. Really hope Fergie bans any dealings with this agent.
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Erm what did he do exactly then Ed002? PLayed for the first team 3 or 4 times. Is that anything to be thankful for? I couldnt wish him well or the opposite, couldnt care less about him, wish him neither well or badly, he never made an impact and isnt our player anymore.
Invisible Stuey {Ed002's Note - Fine but the comment was in respect to the "good riddance" post. Try and read the posts please.}
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Just another young top prospect that we loose once again!
personally blame fergy on this one again. you would had thought he'd learned from the Rossi and Pique situation.
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Ed002, I've absolutely nothing against him besides not thinking he's that special but what exactly should we thank him for ? Wish him well of coarse but thank him for training and playing youth team football like hundreds of others no just the wish well for me
Dustbin {Ed002's Note - The point was about teh "good ridance" post.}
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03 Jul 2012 18:37:14
Berba is going on tour with the rest of the United squad for pre-season and Sir Alex claims he is still part of his plans. I hope he does stay and gets more game time next season. -JakeW
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Unfortunately, sounds like they can't find a willing taker. How could he part of his plans when he basically never used him.
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Fergie has to say that Berba is part of his plans for next season in order to keep his value as high as possible. I personally would be very surprised if he was still with us next season and don't forget the transfer window has only just opened and theres still a long time for interested clubs to show an interest in a very talented player , who lets be fair is very good value at the price the club are asking.
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This is just brinkmanship, classic Sir Alex.He is just sending a message to potential buyers that he is prepared to let Berba go on a free next year,instead of a cheap cash in.
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Buttering him up for someone to bid for him. I wouldn't mind him staying. What a gifted, talented player. If he only wanted it more. Shows no desire sometimes.
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I'd be happy to see him stay. one of the classiest players we have. But for his sake, i kinda hope he leaves. He deserves games and a bit more respect, sadly he doesn't seem to be getting either of those things at United.
Bob
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03 Jul 2012 17:48:55
what do you guys think...getting moutinho and veloso to handle the united midfield nxt season
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Not convinced. They are good players but think they are too slow paced for the premier league.
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Veloso isn't good enough to play for us.
Sydney!
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As syd says veloso not good enough for us didnt think he played well at the euro,s
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Moutinho=Yes... Veloso=No
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Moutinho yes, Veloso no. simples.
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People seem to be over impressed with the Portuguese midfield, it wasn't that good. Moutinho was quality but Maureles and Veloso were not up to standard.
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Every one saying veloso is not up to the standards of playing for united what rubbish he played well for his nation they lost on pens to spain ? he can tackle pass and is a free kick excpert left footer to him and moutinho would be perfect been watching these two hopeing they would come for years
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IMO...Moutinho was impressive and really gets in players faces. Veloso has been linked with us for years but I think he is one of the weaker links in the Portugal side, not good enough for us. Was impressed with Pereirra the RB though
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Veloso has a greed a move to Dynamo Kiev. That is the standard of the player, he's NOT Manchester United quality.
James
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03 Jul 2012 17:47:18
Hi all, just wanted to let you know that Antonio Valencia will be wearing the No 7 Shirt for United next year...! Nick Powell will wear 25 with Kagawa getting the No 26 shirt..
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News on manutd.com. Valencia requested number 7.
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Glad to see sum1 who deserves it get it but a little dissapointed that it won't b a new arrival to don the famous number 7
.well done Toni do it proud
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Must admit i was also hoping on a new player for the number 7 shirt. someone with a bit more flair. do love valencia though n as the other poster said, do it proud.
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Im glad we've given it to a player who has earned it.
Plays in the right area to be our number 7, he's dangerous and his end product is fantastic.
Anyone who can get player of the season award (at United) playing only half a season is doing something right and im glad he's got some reward.
Deserves it i think.
Bob
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03 Jul 2012 13:41:00
Ganso turns down his contarct offer from Santos. Source: Click Manchester
I know SAF has looked at this guy before, and he's really highly rated in Brazil. Eds do you have any idea if a bid could possibly be made...considering our interest in Moutinho? {Ed002's Note - I would not hold your greath about it just yet.}
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Just researched him a bit more and it appears he has a 35 million euro buy out clause, don't know if that's true but no doubt it would probably halt any serious offer. {Ed002's Note - Ignore the buyout clause.}
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Ganso is an attacking midfielder similar to shinji kagawa , so there is very slight possibility that we will even try for him.
i think a box to box midfielder or a defensive midfielder are on the radar.......like moutinho,modric or m'vila
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Good passer of the ball and he has some skill from what I've seen of him. From watching him, I don't know if he'll be as good in the Premier League, as our league is a lot more competitive than the Brazilian league.
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This one is a no. Reasons:
- he's truly injury prone, unfortunately;
- he's neither a box to box nor an attacking midfilder: in Brazil we say that he's a central midfilder in the same mold as the old ones. He usually gets the ball and looks to the best option available, something like Xavi, but not as dynamic. That aside, he has as much field vision as Xavi, which is quite frightening;
- even after 2 or 3 years of professional football he still looks too skiny to be Premier league material;
- He won't be cheap...
- He will probably have a lot, A LOT of adaptation problems...
- On the other hand, he's easily regarded as the future brazilian number 10, and a big if, if he's fit.
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What's a greath Ed? Is it a great breath?! {Ed002's Note - No, it is rare creature, half beanie baby, half penguin.}
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03 Jul 2012 11:32:41
Ed002; do you know if our interest in Moutinho is serious? Do you think there is a realistic chance a deal could happen?
Thanks,
rpc {Ed002's Note - It is hard to say with the mass of misinformation.}
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02 Jul 2012 18:36:21
ed02.... if you are around do you know if we have shown any interest in Axel Witsel?
i see ferdinand praise him after recent friendly and reports today suggest he would be available for 20m
thanks
oxred {Ed002's Note - There has been interest in him for two years.}
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I think we need creative midfielders with pace not a box to box. We hardly go through the middle of the pitch and couple of creative guys with pace will open up the wings with the nani/valencia/ashley young and we will create havoc for every team.
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£20m for a player that moved to Benfica last July for £6m? Perhaps the reason there is never any value in the market is because we are not that good at buying and selling players at the right time??
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03 Jul 2012 15:52:55
{Ed022's note - brand new Player-Profile updated on Yann M'Vila. The Frenchman has been linked with a whole host of clubs, including Manchester United. www.player-profiles.co.uk - cheers all.}
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03 Jul 2012 15:21:46
do u think for £50mil bid we cud get moutinho and rodriguez?
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If we sold nani and threw andersson in i think that would be possible
nani is probable better than rodriquez now long term only time will tell
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If they want £40 million for rodriguez I highly doubt that
fearny
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03 Jul 2012 11:39:54
My friend is an accountant in America for the sports opeative who control funds for LA Galaxy. Apparently, he's heard a rumour that Becks has been enquired about by, wait for it........
Leeds United.
I know what you're all thinking, never gonna happen. But could you imagine the reaction if he did join on so much as a loan?
If this take over on the other side of the pennines turns out to be bigger than anticipated, and the new owner is an Oil Sheikh, in place of that chelsea boy Bates... The "Yorkshire Giant" might awaken again... Thoughts?
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Op must be a Leeds fan, why would la galaxy tell an accountant this?
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Thoughts?
This rumour belongs on the dirty Leeds page!
Chris!
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You said it yourself OP, never gonna happen.
Becks has been true to his word and not played for another English team. Why on earth then would he choose to ruin it all by signing for that shower?
Besides, can you really see Posh swapping LA for Lids, West Yorkshire?....Aye lad, neither can i.
This rumour should be in the bin not on a website.
Bob
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As I work close to Elland road & have to listen to Leeds utd supporters all day I can honestly say that the sooner they knock it down & build a tesco or a large Indian restaurant the better.
The ground's an eye sore on my travel in to work & I pray some knowledge less shiek gets his hands on it, spends big & gets bored just to add some colour to a grey area of Yorkshire.
Hope Becks does go to Leeds cos it would be funny seeing them idolise him but I doubt you'd get Posh into Beeston!
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03 Jul 2012 11:03:36
EXCLUSIVE----- In an interview with MUTV's Stewart Gardner SAF has said he';s not looking to do anymore business in his midfield because Fletcher is on his way to a full recovery and he'll be like a new signing?? interview will be shown tonight on MUTV summer suppliment.
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Zzzz go post bulls**t on another site.
rpc
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United were so desperate for a midfielder last season that Cleverley was rushed back from injury which led to a recurrence of the same injury. Rooney was played in the holding role for a few games and we brought Scholes back. Even if Fletcher does come back the same player in time for the new season (Highly unlikely) we are still short IMO. I think someone like Modric is needed and the manager will know this too, hence the interest in Modric.
Even if the OP is right and the manager says this it should be taken with a pinch of salt. It could be mind games towards the clubs who are trying their best to squeeze every penny out of us for their midfielder. One thing that I do worry about with our manager is his stubbornness. I hope he doesn't miss out on players and decides he will make do with what we have got. I hope he puts the club first and goes all out for a midfielder.
Sydney!
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Zzzz go post bulls**t on another site.
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Who'll see you muppet
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The only way I will be okay with a midfielder not being signed is if Pogba and Petrucci sign on the dotted line.
Sydney! {Ed004's Note - Petrucci already has I think}
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I hope this is true. Good luck Fletch. I have colitis too and am fully recovered. There is a solution to this illness if you research it and don't believe the bull much of the medical profession tell you. If Ando can stay fit and develop too, why would we need another midfielder ?
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Fletcher wont be back anytime soon. I saw some pictures of him the other day and hes list loads of weight and isnt looking healthy at all. My mate grew up with him and has just been vegas with him and wes briwn. He was saying fletcher needs some of his intestine removing!
Im not convinced he will be back at all. But wish him the best.
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Aye I believe petrucci signed a 2 year extension about 3 weeks ago !
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I don't think there is such thing as a full recovery with the condition he has. Especially the amount of stress ont the body from training and performing to the highest standard
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I have to say with regret... Fletcher won't be back, He may come back to football but I doubt with how serious the illness has been that he will be back at Utd.
fearny
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If SAF thinks that this midfield with or without fletch is good enough he's deluded. I'm a life long die hard Utd fan but Clev,Carrick,Park,Ando(injury prone),Giggs(38 yrs),Scholes(36yrs),Berba,Danny,Fletch(willhe be the same) would not get next to near the middle of the park for mcfc barca or real. We need 2 in there prime world class midfielders and a centre forward just to compete. But I'll live in hope
True red
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Hes saying there will be more signings its on the webb page utd.com they are trying for more signings but utd do it all hush hush so lets hope so in fergie we trust
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Could be that pogba is staying
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I thought the boss said we were going to make a couple more signings?
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@ True Red - misnomer if ever there was one.
First, Berba is a forward, not a midfielder. Danny? I assume you mean Welbeck, if so, again he's a forward.
Fletch if fully fit and everything is one of the best central midfielders around. Fletch & Carrick make a pretty solid midfield pair & Clevs is looking like a hell of a player. Even if he fails (for another year running) to meet his potential, Anderson is still a good backup option at worst.
To say we need another 2 "in there prime world class" midfielders says it all really. Utd mainly buy young talent and develop it, we rarely buy proven players "in there prime" (seriously? try "their"), and most of the ones we have bought have dissapointed or outright flopped(look at Berbatov, he's been good, but not as good as he should have been for the fee we payed).
We probably need one good CM, Modric, Moutinho or someone equivelant, pref 24 or younger.
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If you go own on man utd.com there's a piece on there from fergie an dhe says we are working on 1 or 2 deals an things doesn't happen overnight
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03 Jul 2012 10:31:46
Shinji Kagawa has been nominated for
FIFA World Player of the Year award for
his strong performances with Borussia
Dortmund !
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FIFA World player of the year award no longer exists. Last awarded to Messi in 2009. It's the Ballon d'Ore now an again awarded to Messi in Jan 2012. Next award isn't until 2013 and nominations are too early. This 'info' you have was from a bogus Facebook link
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03 Jul 2012 09:19:57
is 30 million rejected bid for james rodriguez true or just rumour
? {Ed004's Note - A bid was rejected but no one knows how much}
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He will still go
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Hopefully a rumour {Ed002's Note - Three clubs have so far spoken to Porto about James Rodrigues and two bids have been rejected I am told. Neither matches Porto's valuation of the player. The bidding clubs are Manchester United and Palermo whilst Bayern Munich have been looking carefully at Rodrigues as an alternative to Dries Mertens. There may well have been enquiries from other clubs including Napoli and Liverpool. It may be tough to find someone to pay the sort of fee Porto would be looking for.}
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03 Jul 2012 08:12:10
Manchester United are closing in on 25-year-old Porto midfielder Moutinho.
source THE SUN
i hope this becomes true
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This is true. Watch sky sports news and you will find out
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Read this report in the sun i would believe it more if i read it in the bloody beano
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03 Jul 2012 02:34:40
According to The Sun we are preparing a bid of £25m for Joao Moutinho.
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I hope so, let's get it done early. More experienced than Strootman & M'Vila. Would cost 10m less than Modric. United should get who they need and not the scraps left from what the BIG spenders leave on the Market. Mourtinho is a great midfielder that can defend and attack.
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According to The Sun we had modric in the bag a month ago!
G-Rav
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I know I know, just posting the rumours!
RedDevil7
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The Sun is a comic! even though I previously said that moutinho would be a good signing, I think it would be unlikely that we would pay over 25m for him.
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02 Jul 2012 23:17:20
Hi everyone, does anyone know if we are in talks with munian. A mate of mine who is in an athletic Bilbao fan club says everyone is worried the munian WILL join us. I would love to see him as he is a huge talent. Also I've seen a lot of people talking about Madrid pulling out of a deal for Modric, which is good news but can we compete with PSG and possibly Chelsea for his I don't know,
Does anybody know if we have any interest in luca moura, ganso or cabaye? Eds? Syd? Jenny?
Caolán.
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Moura & ganso will depend on availability. we have had both players watched, but thats all. Cabaye is a non starter ashley wouldnts accept anything lower than 40-50 million. i really dont see us bidding that much.
jenny
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We are interested in ganso and cabaye, but cabaye is more likely to join us
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02 Jul 2012 21:38:26
Eds are you aware of any interest in Rasmus Elm? Could be a dark horse for our midfield and probably wouldn't cost us too much! {Ed001's Note - none from United that I know of.}
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02 Jul 2012 21:04:15
Eds, is it true that Ganso has rejected a contract extension at Santos for around 70k a week? Thought that's quite a lot but apparently him and his agent wants double that. AC Milan still maintain strong interest i hear?
Ozwald {Ed001's Note - he has rejected a contract offer.}
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02 Jul 2012 21:57:01
...Baines will sign and before pre-season, but don't be surprised if Jack Rodwell is included in a deal worth £18m rising to £25m. He's had a crap season through injuries, but rated highly by SAF and seen as successor to Carrick who has 2 more years at OT - Incider
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Our obsession with Everton players is getting unhealthy now.
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Rodwell has had a crap career , fergie won't be signing anyone with an injury record like his
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Dustbin mate we did sign Saha and Hargreaves who were pretty injury prone but i do agree it would be surprising if we sign rodwell
G-Rav
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I know what you mean but I think their injury records were good compared to rodwell and both proved they were quality players
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I think one of the ed's commented a couple of months back on the worrying re-occouring trend of Everton's young players being injury prone, and perhaps this was in part down to Moyes making them do the same training programe as the senior players from an age when they're still growing and their bodies are still developing. Rodwell is definatley a talent and their clearly is interest from United, i think he'd be worth a gamble at £8-10 million but i wouldn't want us to pay more than that at the minute.
Andy B
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Rodwell is a great talent, but signing could be a risk
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In what way is Rodwell seen as successor to Carrick?
In your mind?
Why would Fergie have a long term plan to replace the superb Carrick with a guy that can't make any impact at Everton? His development has been non existant over the last few years. His form over the last couple of seasons has dropped dramatically.
Doesn't sound like much of a master plan.
Bob
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02 Jul 2012 21:52:26
man united would sign leighton Baines from Everton soon according to my sources. He would be a good signing.
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Great signing, but would rather alba who has chose barca
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Who will he start him or evra?
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Are your sources the daily newspapers by any chance?
My sources, makes me laugh everytime i hear that. We've got so many connected, sourced up posters on this sight i'm amazed i have seen anyone call an accurate out of the blue move yet.
Just people claiming to have sources telling them what half the world has heard already. Namely rumour and specualtion.
Bob
ps This just in, my sources are telling me that tomorrow will be Wednesday. Just awaiting confirmation. More to follow as and when.
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