Manchester United Rumours Archive May 03 2012

03 May 2012 20:53:39
Manchester United are close to finalising a move for Borussia Dortmund playmaker Shinji Kagawa.

The Japan international has refused to agree a new deal with the Bundesliga champions and has his heart set on a move to England, according to the German side's president.

Michael Zorc said: "Shinji is going to play in England because he has officially rejected our offer of a new contract."

talkSPORT understands Kagawa, who has scored 13 goals in the German top flight this season from 30 appearances, is set sign a three-year deal at Old Trafford.

United are willing to part with around £7m for his services as his contract expires in 2013, with the 23-year-old expected to earn around £5m-a-season.

Source: Talksport

Let me tell you ...this guy is the biz believe me... he will score goals / create goals and is rapid.... similar to Ozil and Silva... next should be Hazard for 35 mil..
Fergie should get into him big style... convince him that Utd are tops dogs and not the mercenaries across the road with a sugar daddy !!! i tell you now City will fall big style cos Utd will not stand still and let them takeover..

03 May 2012 13:29:19
ed004, do you see these as realistic targets/signings?

kagawa
cissokho
rodriguez
clyne
benanta
Yanga-Mbiwa

also what striker in your opinion would be a likely target.
thanks

JK92 {Ed004's Note - I don't know. Most of them seem like buy able options and the striker I would like is Higuain, I do not know who we will sign though or who we are targeting...}

03 May 2012 19:38:54
Despite the injury problems Anderson has, he was once quoted to be the next Ronaldinho and he was playing at Porto, who saw him could see why people quoted him as the 'Next' Ronaldinho. But since he came, he started with the process of adapting to new style of play under SAF, he used to play behind the striker.

He had good pace and astonishing explosion and very good technique to drive the ball, now he is just a decent player who can't manage to be fit.

I don't blame SAF for trying change the way Anderson played but sometimes you must use take the best from the player on what is best. United never saw the real Anderson and I think we'll never see it again. People wants to get rid of him and is truly understandable but playing regularly at his original position he can really be useful, very useful.

Nick86

How so when his shooting accuracy has been woeful since joining?

lewis.no.9

Totally agree with you nick he was an amazing young talent as good as any out there now he could go past a player with ease very skilful and fast an I do remember him having an eye for goal with a few 30-40 year goals if I recall an think fergie has ruined his career by trying to make him something he is not

It has Alan Smith - Tough tackling CM written all over it doesn't it! Why don't we just BUY a chuffing CM that fits!

DodgyBanter

Bulls**t...Anderson as been overated... one footed big lump that cannot get box to box and cant pass water let alone the ball...cannot score goals either..waste of money and just been lazy ...

I do believe that if anderson can stay fit then United would have a great midfielder. When fit he can be fantastic. I have seen him leave players standing as he slips past them but he is always injured. I hope that he is given 1 more season to show the fans just why Sir Alex bought him

Play him in his original position...at Porto. Fergie has nurtured some of the best young talent in teh game - hardly reasonalble to blame him for Andersons demise. He just isnt good enough and for me he doesnt look to be committed enough either. Being a good young player at Porto doesnt translate to being a workd class footballer at Manchester United.

Irish Red

He wasn't just a "good young footballer at Porto", he was player of the tournament at the u17 World Cup shortly before we bought him. Playing in his natural position for u17's he destroyed teams single handedly.
Agree completely with you're post Nick86. I don't know why Fergie is so set on converting him into something he isn't.
It's a shame for Ando, not been given the chances to do what he's good at and now everyone is knocking him and being so disrespectful.
Shameful.

I remember when I saw him on his debut (pre-season), and then again at OT vs Wigan. He was a really terrific player. He oozed skill and strength. He's only 24, he may well get over his early career injuries and go on to be a great player for us. Rmember when Ryan Giggs used to get frequent hamstring injuries? For the last 5 seasons he has been rarely injured.

True Anderson is only 24, so is Messi. At that age you should be approaching your peak. Where all this attacking midfielder bit comes from, is when he was a kid playing against other kids. He can;t pass, shoot etc. I hope SAF grabs anything over 7m for him
Mik

Mik
Try actually watching some of his games for Gremio. Start with his debut @ 16 or something, came off the bench and won the game - not against kids, but in a very tough league.
The point is we bought him for his attacking qualities, his reputation was well deserved, then we use him in a totally different role.
That's hardly the best way to get the best out of a player.
It's counter productive.
A players peak is more like 27.

Bob

Bob - I said approaching the peak! I've seen him play really well 3 or 4 times for us, average 10-12 times and 25 - 30 of poor quality.I keep hearing of his attacking qualities etc, but he can't shoot, his passing isn't up to much, he has a bit of pace, but gets knackered after an hour. He needs to loose 10 - 20 kilos. I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I feel we have a fair bit of deadwood, to bet rid of. Anderson, Park, Chico, Macheda, Young and maybe even the average Cleverley. If you think this is a knee jerk reaction, please tell me who you would drop from our treble winning side, to make room for any of these. The joke is Carrick and Berbatov are jeered whilst Anderson and Hernandez are cheered. Carrick has been great this season, Andersen's never fit and Hernandez is an embarrassment. Some fans want to keep this Mexican clown and fat Brazilian, whilst selling Berbatov and Carrick. It's amazing that fans of the same magnificent team (something on which we all agree) see things so differently. We would do well to get 8million on Andersen, unless we can sell him by the kilo and 10 million on Chico
Mik

Playing behind a striker would be difficult to get ahead of rooney in that position.

03 May 2012 16:41:15
anyone think theres a possibility of signing goetze aswell as kagawa from dortmund as they have already played with each other and have built a playing relationship. i know dortmund are unlikely to let 2 of their star players go. its just an idea..
Also i personally believe we need more than 3 players in the summer. realisticly in my opinion we need 2 Central midfielders (1 defensive minded and 1 attacking minded) along with a left back and a striker.

So not two CM's then.
An AM and a DM.

We have bags of CM's and none of the specialist MF's.

More than anything we need a proper, genuine, all in defensive midfielder. Not a defence minded CM.

If we get a proper one, we'll be a different proposition next season.
If we get yet another CM, we'll have more problems.

They are both am so why would u buy them both knowing we need also a dm like matinez or strootman ??

Left footed left wing with pace who can run at (and beat) the right back on his outside please.

And RVN off of 10 years ago to put in all the crossed from both sides...

I can dream... ;)

DodgyBanter

03 May 2012 16:13:14
Why would united go for cylne(spelling) he might be good in the future but we have rafeal smalling and jones to play there already. Smalling and jones arent going to start ahead of vidic in cb postion.

Red Assaissin

Smalling and Jones are not RB's.
They're both bloody good CB's and will get their chance there soon enough.
Jones in particular looks lost at RB, Smalling handles it better, but still, neither are natural full backs in my opinion.
We do need cover at RB. Preferably an actual RB.
Too many players playing out of position weakens the team, as we have seen.

Bob

Rafael cannot defend for toffee, for me too inexperienced for the big games and Europe, jones and smalling are better defenders but again, at rb in the big games, not good enough. We need quality full backs which I'm afraid we lack in order to compete with the best in Europe.

Langers

Disagree Langers mate.
Rafael has gone from strength to strength defensively this season. He had a couple of lapses against Everton, but so did Evans.
Rafael would have been a much better choice against City simly because of his speed and mobility. Playing Jones for his size when he was up against Silva, Nasri, Tevez and Aguero was daft imo. Rafael would have bothered City's attackers better than Jones did.
Wish we could lose this temptation to want to throw players in the bin just because they make a mistake or two. We should nuture Rafael, not murder him.

Bob

03 May 2012 10:15:22
Ed regarding FC twente, is there potential for a deal of De Jong being a new young striker coming in based on the relationship between the two clubs?

Supasub

03 May 2012 14:17:37
i just don't get it, james rodriguez from porto, hazard, gaitan , kagawa are not cm, and we still want to spend on wingers, Our main problem is cm position.A lot of teAMS have dm and am , while sir Alex stil wants to use box-box, it just doesn't work now, that's why anderson is a bust , because he was an AM and sir Alex tried to change him into box2box (not disrespect 4 sir Alex , but i think next season should be his last one
in
alba
clyne
martinez m'villa( yeah both, to control the ball)
james rodriguez or hamsik or modrich or ericssonor kagawa(depends how much we have to spend)
and play anderson as an AM!!
out owen , berbatov, fletcher(retire)park,fabio(loan)

Totally agree with you about Anderson

Mad Hatter

One problem Anderson can't shoot he's forgotten how !


MACMAN

Right dude donno why fergie is always intrested in wingers our central attack is s**t saw on mufc site that we gonna spend 100 mill by that much money we can easily sign 2 wc attackers.hope is happens

I've grew so annoyed with all this kagawa nonsense that I've got to voice my opinion of him. First he wants to be the star in the team, which at utd he can't be, he wants to be the person who gets the glory, at borussia he complains about lewandowski missing too many shots when he does just the same. Secondly i'm not saying it happens all the time but in the big games I've seen (i.e. vs bayern) he's looked non existent. Lastly he's an attacking player he doesn't defend. We all know that Rooney plays behind the main striker in a 4-4-1-1 formation. If we got kagawa that would mean playing a 4-2-3-1 which would mean ( if Rooney plays ) kagawa would be in the 3 because he is incapable of playing normal cm so that would mean sacrificing a winger, and if he ever played ahead of valencia ferguson's gone mad, or sacrificing the striker ( hernandez or welbeck ) hernandez is suffering second season syndrome and will hopefully be back to his beat next season and fergie won't hold welbeck back in his emergence. So even of we could get him for 10-15 mill that would be good value but I'd rather have a cm that controls the middle of the park like scholes rather than someone who complains when he's played out of position

So do i.

Bob

Would love to see 2 dms, 1 lb, and 1 striker.
Love to see cleverly in an A

03 May 2012 13:39:07
Clyne(2m),Cissokho(10m),Fellaini(18m),Kagawa(15m)
Only 45m so more in our budget but still great signings.

De Gea-Clyne-Ferdinand-Vidic-Cissokho-Valencia-Fellaini-Carrick-Kagawa-Nani-Rooney.

WORLD CLASS TEAM!!

Rafael definitely ahead of Clyne.

Percy

De Gea-Clyne-Cissokho-Fellaini-Carrick-Kagawa-Nani none of these are world class.

World class haha think you better look at truely world class players then look back who you've just called world class , clyne is closer to a pub player than world class

Krul
Rafael ferdy vidic baines
Sessegnon tiote cabaye/colback McLean/Ben arfa
Cisse Rooney
We would win the league

I tell you what - man utd just love everton's players don't they ?? mmmmm

03 May 2012 11:59:02
Looks like Man Utd are close to acquiring Shinji Kagawa from Borussia Dortmund.

Borussia Dortmund president Michael Zorc says Kagawa has refused to agree a new deal with the club and is now likely to move to England.

Michael Zorc said: "Shinji is going to play in England because he has officially rejected our offer of a new contract."

Speculation is rife that Kagawa will sign a 3-year deal at Old Trafford. Man Utd will pay around £7m for his services as his contract expires in 2013, with a wage of around £5m-a-year.

I am hopeful, but that really doesn't mean he's coming to us.

Sanshine

Borrusia Dortmund chief executive Joachim Watzke has told German TV channel Sport1 that Kagawa is no longer unsellable, and that if anyone is interested, they should notify either the player or the club.

03 May 2012 10:41:04
Fergie & Gill have mentioned 3 young, Players coming in to play fast counter attacking football.
Plus normally 2 young ones follow for a nominal fee.

I think we'll have the same budget as last season £65m
(remember with contractual wages & agent fees it's more like 80m then)

He mentioned Fabio & Fryers (if he signs up) to go on loan.
Therefore do we need cheap cover?
LB Oviedo 2m or will he keep DeLaet both 22yr.
LB Williems 3m young option 17yrs.
Evra only misses 2 or 3 games a season then the two loan boys will be back 13/14 season to compete.

Berbatov & Macheda's days are numbered. Diouf was sold, Bebe was loaned with a set price fee of 2m. Also it seems King, W.keane & Cofie will get loaned again.
Leaves us either Owen to be 4th choice. I'm happy with that along as we get a young gamble in........
Kovacic 3m, Pulido 4m, E.Torres 5m or take the option on Angelo Henriques 3m. One of these as 5th choice is enough.

So that could possible leave us 60m on the midfield.
A specialist DM like Javi Matinez 30m that can also drop in if Rio or Vidic get banned or a knock. Which would leave us

30m left to spend...............
J.Rodriguez 18m LW
Kagawa 12m AM

Well that would be a cracking team.
Lindegaard, Fletcher, Vidic, Anderson, Owen, Cleverley will be like new signings. Plus IF selfish, greedy Pogba stays.

Kagawa 12m.

More scraping around for cheap tosh. We should be buying the best and settling for nothing less. Also lets get real about Cleverley. He will never be good enough

Selfish greedy Pogba? It's not to do with the money, been stated on dozen's of occasions! He wants guaranteed first team football.

Ozwald

If Evra only misses 2/3 games next season we are in massive trouble mate, utter liability and needs replacing urgently.

Seems like you haven't really mentioned anything that we haven't already discussed. Is Pogba selfish and greedy, would you play at a club where you don't get a chance and left wingers play in midfield instead of you?

GDS

No Namer you have no idea mate do you? "Cleverley will never be good enough", whereas SAF labels him as "something special".. I think he knows what he is talking about, you on the other hand know nothing!

Ozwald

Anderson a new signing when hes back pffffft no way heard it before...

ms85

Ozwald agree on pogba he justs wants first team football. Is he going to get it that's the question? Looks unlikely as saf rather play players out of position and the useless park and giggs(legend) but time to retire. Also did anyone read something on saf that united don't buy big players and always give youth a chance(It was something on those lines) I had to laugh a bit when I read it as we all know most of our promising players want to leave bc they are not getting chances. overall I agree united will not spend big and will take the easy route and get players like gaiten instead of hazard etc. big summer ahead.

Abs

Would these players be good enough to make Utd the best team in the world?

No, so why bother?

Andrew B

With the exception of the goalkeeper and Vidic the others coming back "like new signings@ are ordinary, sick, injured and not very good.
Mik

Surely a player who is "something special" would be good enough to have established himself in our pretty ordinary midfield by now. Its not as if hes just appeared. He is almost 23. Ok hes had injuries but even so he has looked neat and tidy on the ball but nothing more

Who is Pogba to demand first team football? Earn it then talk money

03 May 2012 09:27:11
i think we have strong interests in eden hazard , christian eriksen and javi martinez..
if hazard join man city then we will move for james rodriguez....
i dn't think we will sign any lb,cb,rb...
we will sign a striker may be alan pulido or van wolfswinkel..

ft9

If we sign another striker i can't see it being a fairly young 'project' as it were such as Alan Pulido or Wolfswinkel, already have Welbeck and Chicho who need developing along with Will Keane, Lingard, King. If we went for a striker it'd be someone with experience who could instantly add goals.

I think we could well get a LB maybe on loan, would be ideal to get Cissokho, strong relatively fast and more importantly he can defend, something our current left back has forgot to do in some recent games!

Ozwald

I'd prefer Rodriguez over Hazard ,(to kind of quote daft punk) he's younger, cheaper, taller, faster, stronger and better in front of goal

Winston

Hazard, Martinez will cost 40 million Euros plus and Ericsson 25million Euros. Can you see the yanks coughing up that kind of dough?
Maybe Mountinho (spelling) 25 million Euros, Garcia 20 million Euros and Cissoko 18 million Euros is more possible. I think Martinez will stay in Spain, Hazard will go for 40 million + to Mankini and his stepford boys. Eriksson is possible I guess. As for James Rodriguez, apart for YouTube I've watched him twice, both times there were flashes of brilliance and a lot of over keeping the ball and weak crosses. However he could be one who will grow.
Mik

Eriksen NO WAY 25Mill

where do people get these made up nembers from?

03 May 2012 01:39:27
acc..to sports News..
Ashley young may leave Manutd for PSG

Hope so

Not a chance he has exelled here and scored some important goals plus he has just signed a season ago and who ever it is that said "hope so" is a jackass

Please, please and take the Mexican clown with him. 20million on Young and 10million on Chico and we could buy a quality midfielder with the cash.
Mik

Young has scored a couple of important goals but has been very inconsistant defenders know what hes going to do,he couldnt even get the corner we had in the last minute on monday night past the 1st man
johndenton

The Mexican clown?

Shut up you lemon.

Go and support City, please!