Manchester United Rumours Archive September 03 2012

 

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03 Sep 2012 22:29:35
Witsel signs for zenit for €30m

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03 Sep 2012 22:13:39
zenit have signed hulk and witsel for 80m euros combined so much for uniteds interest?? eds??

jple23

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Can anyone explain what's going on here. It's either these owners know something that we don't about the financial fair play rules or these owners are just mad.

There is no way PSG or Zenit can generate enough revenue to qualify for Champions League based on the rules. If that's that's case then why spend so much money.

Someone enlighten me please.
KB

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FFP comes into force fully next year. This year it only takes into account wages after 2009 (put as simply as possible). If you look at Citys balance sheet then they would fail only spending about 5m because their wage bill is higher than their revenue anyway.

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Dont understand this. Both of these players are more than good enough for La Liga or ther EPL which are agreed upon universally to be the 2 best leagues in the world. I know Zenit offer Champions League Football but what else? Both have signed 4 year deals - in 2 years, Hulk will be 28 and running out of time and Witsel will be 25 and both will still have 2 years left on their current deals. I suppose they are on good money and money talks - but if I were in either shoes, I'd have stayed on where I was and waited for a move to England or Spain.

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City and Chelsea, both signed 5 players during this window, but both released or sold 18.

They are slowly but surely getting people off their wage bill in time for next year

Gaz

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I think these clubs are taking their last chance to blow their wads buying players in now before FFP really takes effect.

Hopefully from here on in, it is properly policed so we wont see any more citys, chelseas, PSG's or crazy russians. Spend what you earn is the only fair (and sustainable) way for football to survive these crazy times.

Dan

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03 Sep 2012 22:05:17
Witsel has signed for Zenit

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03 Sep 2012 21:45:17
Southampton/ManUtd
It is crystal clear that Utd urgently needs CM (Scholes type). It was evident when Cleverley was substituted by Scholes and the running of the game was magnificently.Cleverly is a young good player but he's not mature and he will be that in 2/3years time.Of the opinion that Sir Alex had to search as from today a professional sophicated a playmaker equivalent to Scholes for the January Transfer Window.Otherwise regret do not pretend any silverware this season

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I think the cm we need needs to be a Scholes type puppet master as well. However, this is something you are born with and Cleverley doesnt have it. Xavi, Modric, Scholes, Cabaye and to an extent Wilshere have it but clevs doesn't and its not something you can teach. Powell though he could be a top class Midfielder for us doesn't have it either but he brings other qualities in a similar way to Gerard. Perreira and Januzaj in the youth teams are the only ones who can do what Scholes does but they are not developed enough for 1st team play. We need to buy a replacement for Scholes asap because no one at the club can currently fill his shoes. The closest we could do would be putting Rooney in cm.

Dan

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Cleverly dosent play the same position as scholes. That substitution was accompanied by a change in the formation also.

cleverly is a replacement for darren fletcher. Dosent anyone get that yet? His game and responsabilities are identical. Why do people keep referencing him against scholes when he isnt playing the same position? Just watch in games and its obvious.

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Cleverley is nothing like Fletcher

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If Rooney is up for it, i'd put him in the middle. He'd still score goals, but the main burden could now be on RVP but would really get stuck in in the centre. His passing and presence is good enough to take this role on.

Dan

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03 Sep 2012 21:44:45
Witsel and Hulk signed by Zenit.. £31.7 and £47.5 respectively.. Crazy stuff!

Murfinhio

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03 Sep 2012 21:20:16
Hi Guys

Can't see that any of us can have any complaints regarding the summer transfer window. RVP was a massive signing for our club when you consider what we have been buying in the last 4 years and to sign him from a great club like Arsenal was a bit of a surprise have to say.

The rebuilding process is well and truly on track and remember this name George Soros

Mike the Moston

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George Soros the billionaire by any chance?

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So yo think soros wants buy the club ?
Bryan
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Soros bought a 7.9% share in the club last month, about $200m

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No complaints??

Liverpool spent what under Dalglish? Better part of £100m? Do you think they have no complaints?

See, it's not about how much we spend, it's about who we get in and whether we strengthen the team and address known weaknesses. We may have trengthened, but we most certainly did not address the known weakness in midfield. Untill we do, I will continue to have complaints.

We could have spent just over 30m and strengthened the team aswell as addresing the weakness, by buying Kagawa and Javi Garcia or Dembele. instead we spent almost10m more and got rvp. Yes he scored the goals to save us the other day, but if we had the right cm in place, I don't think we would have been in that situation to begin with, even with Welbeck as our main striker while Rooney is out.

Thorne

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Soros is a ruthless investor. He is the last thing we need.

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Soros is another blood-sucking Yank, who has no interest in football - he makes his money by dealing in shares and makes vast sums at other peoples expense. In my opinion, he would be no better for United than the Glazers, and quite possibly worse.
Mike B.

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The name George Soros

Be very careful what you wish for - Soros is not a fan and his voracious appetite for money will make the Glazers look like great owners.
Trust me - Soros is NOT a good fit as owner
He is interested in two things only - Money and more money.

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LOL
Timbo

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Thorne

Your one of those guys who sees the glass as half empty.
I personally think jones will play cdm later in the season. Scholes is a rare gem I can only think of xavi, iniesta and schweinstieger who could fill his boots! He is truly magnificent!
The defence was by far the worst part of our game against saints but at the end of the day that doesn't mean we need new centre halfs!
It was a bad game for united an off day tbf.
But.... We got 3 points and rvp got a hatrick!
Stop moaning?
Q

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Soros is a brilliant businessman, but he's shown no interest in owning a sports franchise for the esteem or enjoyment. If he's investing somewhere it's because he believes the shares are underpriced and he must believe that the entire club will be sold in the next year or two. That way he makes a huge profit on his investment and doesn't care as much about non-voting shares as he isn't sticking around long enough to find out. Even if he did somehow purchase the rest of the club, you can expect it to be run like a profitable business, not as a playtoy for a billionaire. There's also the small matter of him having single handedly taken down the Bank of England. -KG

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03 Sep 2012 19:53:09
I notice SAF has commented about how Powell is special and I wonder if that is why he didn't buy in summer. SAF says as soon as Powell is up to speed with the training he will be in there. Well I think Powell may have a talent but SAF needs to give him a chance in the first half of the season and stick with him. Our midfield needs someone special. Whilst we are on our midfield I wonder if one of the problems is that Cleverley is too similar to Kagawa and actually Cleverley really needs to play where Kagawa is playing to get the best out of him. Therefore we are missing a ball player like Scholes not a short passer like Cleverley. Let's hope Powell is as good as SAF thinks he is.

On Ronaldo , I was listening to Graham Hunter who said Ron was always ringing his friends at Carrington, the players and SAF and they had said Ron missed them and the club and would walk back to play for us. Why would Ron suddenly say he was sad and it is professional not personal? One option is he now knows SAF is retiring and wants to play for him for the final time. Given his relationship with SAF who was a great support at a key time in his life plus let us not forget SAF handled Rons leaving very well keeping to his word. If he really wants to come back at the end of this season we should move heaven and earth to get him. It seems funny that a week after Rooney is no longer seen as first choice that Ron is suddenly different.

Perhaps a Rooney plus some of the cash from the sale of Nani might tempt Madrid but be very sure if by chance he became available, we don't buy him and he goes elsewhere , that club, especially if in England would be likely too strong for us whilst Ron was there. With Ron we would challenge in Europe, again.

He may be angling for more money but being sad is a funny way of expressing that.

Red Man

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Rooney cant be part exchange! He should stay and money from the Nani sale should be enough if Zenit are reportedly offering 30m. A bid of 50-60m should get Ronny back! Also, Powell is a mid yes but not in the mould of Scholes, more like Gerrard. Scholes is a puppet master, Powell is a driving orce also similar to Keane but without the defensive side. We need both IMO.

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So.. what you're basically saying is " Ronaldo wants to come back because he misses Fergie and his former team mates, so lets sell his fellow countryman and former strike partner to get him!"

Good logic pal.

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Ronaldo was just peed off that he didn't win eufas player off the year, iniesta did.
Snakey80

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Cleverley similar to Kagawa? In an alternate reality maybe. Cleverley needs to up his mobility and then he will make a difference, he has the potential to be the answer...but is yet to convince.

Ronaldo is history - he was great whilst we had him but we can no longer afford him...move on

AJH

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Crewe did a dance when we bought Nick Powell - although they knew he had talent he was also their worse trainer and had a bad attitude - having watched him in the reserves I think Lindegard and Tunnicliffe are better prospects - I hope I eat my words but he's the new Bebe
Pedroknight

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Ronny and van the man up front with rooney in mid pulling the strings like we know he can would be unreal! Scholes taught rooney to ping the ball years ago! He is scholes ideal replacement if the is one! He learnt from the best!

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Not a peep from ronnie while window was open, now he has 6 months to get a better deal out of madrid, its called doing a rooney lads, ronnie isnt leaving madrid any time soon.

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Powell was superb for Crewe and the only thing Crewe welcomed about his going was the transfer fee. As a Gresty Road regular I think I can say that with some confidence. Problem is he was superb in League 2 - moving up to the Premiership is an enormous difference and the lad has to be given time and opportunity to fit in. He needs to play regularly, but maybe the reserves for now.

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03 Sep 2012 18:10:11
Cristiano ronaldo was 'sad'
because he was apparenly forced to play for real madrid
on his fathers death anniversary


TRUMORS

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Not so Trumors his dads anniversary is the 6th of september

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03 Sep 2012 16:57:58
Back from a week away and I see that Fergie has decided to blame our poor defensive performance, not on Evra who has been worse than ever so far, not on Vidic who is supposed to be taking command of the back line, and not on the lack of any cover from the midfield but on our 21 year old keeper who made one mistake in 180 minutes of football.

It's absolutely disgraceful to come out and criticise a young lad two games into the new season, especially when he has been excellent for us for the majority of these games. He is not the only player to cost us goals this year, yesterday Rafael and, of course, Evra directly cost us goals but Fergie didn't feel the need to blame them in the press.

And there is no way we will re-sign Ronaldo. If Madrid can't meet his wage demands he's going to end up in some form of Blue shirt sooner or later.

Danny Pughnited

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Honestly I dont think Ronaldo will come back to the PL. Only a few months ago he said he wanted to sign a 10 ear deal with Real. Another one of his mood swings...

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Go back for another week away save you posting garbage Ronaldo is going no where and he certainly will not be in blue in the PL
ARB

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Danny you must be taking something? De Gea was to blame for the calamity goal he needs to control his 6 yard box. Vidic is coming back from a long lay off Ferdinand has just come back and the team has only had a handful of games together you seriously need to think before posting.

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So far we've conceded five goals, only one of which can you place ANY blame on De Gea. So clearly it's not him. I think there are several problems which has lead to us having a leaking defence. First off we've had so many injuries and so many players coming back from them that its been impossible to get a settled back line which is vital for a tight defense. Second is has our midfield offered enough cover to our defense? The answer is obviouslt not, I think the excellent defense we had with Rio and Vidic as well as an inform Evra hid a multiple of sins from our midfield. Now with those players in decline we suddenly look alot more shakey in defense without any cover from midfield.

Shappy

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Yea I agree Danny. To drop DDG and then to come out on a website and blame him for 1 mistake was a liitle wrong from SAF. DDG has Been 1 of our good players this season. He's made some amazing saves. Cant wait for him to get bk into the first team. T45

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Yeah with exception to that 1 goal degea has been great and saved us from a hiding at everton. Its good to see he has been working on his build and Fergie then treats him like that, wasn't impressed myself especially when he can't even see we need a midfield

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Totally agree with danny and shappy i posted something similar after the game and in my opinion ddg was outstanding in first two games and end of last season he's only 20 or 21 and its all about gaining experience that mistake would have been a great experience to learn from but you cant do that if your sitting on the bench i hope he's back in for the next match
cantona's legal team

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Ddg was left out against Southampton because saf sees that he is a great shot stopper but teams with a big old fashioned centre forwards will still bully him.
Lindegaard is a more reliable bet in a match like that (supposedly)
Either way, competition is healthy and no doubt fergie is competent enough judge of character to know if dropping someone will kill their confidence or not. If his confidence was that fragile he would never make it at ot anyway
Snakey80

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It's not about him being dropped, it's about Fergie publicly stating that he was dropped because of one mistake. He could have given other reasons for it, simply saying Lindegaard needs game time, but Fergie decided to publicly blame a young player for the poor defensive start to the season. He hasn't blamed Carrick for the Everton defeat, or Evra for his mistake on Sunday. He decided to make an exception for De Gea, and that is not the way to treat a young lad who has actually been one of our best performers in the last 6 months.

And for the no name who thinks that Vidic is excused because he is coming back from injury. Vidic is the captain and the defensive leader of the team. It's his fault if the team isn't orgainised defensively, like Rafael picking up Lambert for a cross yesterday. His leg was injured, not his brain and he needs to do a far better job leading the defence. I'd much rather if Fergie placed the responsibility on the heads of senior players like Vidic, Evra and Carrick, instead of singling out a young player because he made one mistake in a game where these senior players all made numerous mistakes.

Danny Pughnited

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It just doesn't seem like SAF to do this. He must have some specific reason for publicly blaming a player. He stuck with DeGea for so long last season when he was being derided left, right and center for making so many mistakes, and now he blames him publicly for one mistake!

J Bones.

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SAF bang out of order, he's part of the problem; blinkered to where our real problems lie. Past his sell-by date I'm sorry to say.
RedSince68

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Saf knows how to man manage, it makes me laugh listening to some of you, if you run a business you treat some employees with kid gloves and some you kick up the arse and the only person well placed enough is the boss. Most people's ignorance astounds me
To turn round and say Saf is "part of the problem" shows such a lack of respect to a man who has been such an effective boss for so long. Needless to say the people here who say that sort of thing haven't exactly risen to the top in their own proffessions and should perhaps show a little more respect
Snakey80

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03 Sep 2012 14:29:49
i see a lot stil bludgerin nani, im surprised people want the guy out over most the crap we have especially without a replacement surprises me, i find myself more frustrated with valencia at times, wen hes up against a fast fullback of doubled up on he has nothing to do rather than pass back to rafael and often cant get involved in the game whereas nani can pull sumthing different out the bag, in my view non are the full article but i like both. id take nani over people like carrick, ando, welbeck, young etc that fill up our squad though

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Would that be the same valencia who crossed to rvp for the 1st goal and played in raphael to set up the second
johndenton

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Thats a rediculous statement saying you would take Nani over Carrick, ando etc. Play with 11 nanis and see where that gets you. 1 is bad enough. He made one cross to RVP which is the minimum expected of him. The rest of the time he misplaced passes and did nothing as you could see by SAFs frustration on the bench. I would rather put Kagawa on the left with Rooney down the middle. Young and Kagawa for the left side we dont need Nani and if we get 25m I would be ecstatic with that.

Dan

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Wow seriously deluded valencia is our bbest player EVERY game get a grip nani is tosh

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Mentioning Nani in the same breath as Valencia is mildly offensive but suggesting he gets in the team before Valencia is absurd.

Valencia looks out of form at present I grant you - inspite of the 2 good crosses already mentioned. But he can come good and has CONSISTENTLY proved himself to be of real value to the squad over a sustained period.

Nani on the other hand hasn't.

So it's simple mathematics. A player who can produce a 9/10 performance twice a year or someone who is consistently 7 or 8/10 week in week out.

Even Abysmal Anderson gets a nod before Nani. At least he can add some 'weight' to our midfield.

Take your pick.

Halesini

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Bludgerin? what does that mean? dont understand

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Sorry but what a load of tosh . What you fail to know or have even recognised is that being doubled up on is extremely hard to work against it also creates space elsewhere . Valencia is very good at deciding when to take them on and using rafael as a foil or outlet where possible . United have been working on him coming inside too and linking through the middle as his bursts of speed can open up space for the strikers as cm s try to mark their men and someone has to come out of shape to pick him up. Watch harder mr loony !

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03 Sep 2012 17:33:20
Carrick - going to be an ever-present again this year in our midfield and whilst he may not be Captain Marvel in terms of dynamism his defensive qualities and in particular ball retention are underestimated.

Anderson - the door's been open for some time now but he's too fat for anyone to push him through it. Poor player who always looks out of shape. Unbelievable that we parted with £25m for him when you compare him to some of Citeh's £25m buys (Barry, Milner, Nasri, Silva, Tevez).

Welbeck - herecy I know but I agree he's over-rated. Particularly as a wide player where he looks woeful. Maybe out-and out-striker is his optimum position ahead of either RVP, Rooney or Kagawa. He has time and fans patience on his side which is something Nani lacks!

Young - very poor in the Euros but I thought he played some decent games for us last season and was a revelation early doors for sure. Part of me thinks Young's reputation is being tarnished somewhat by covering / tracking back for Evra's now, at times, woeful defensive positional play.

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Spot on bud, ure right about valencia , solid pro but a bit of a one trick pony, nani has that little bit of magic that sets him apart from the rest. if we had sold him like most of these muppets suggested we would win nowt this season. the only winger out there who would be a step up on nani would be ronnie and he is not coming back. But no doubt the 'water carrier' lovers on this website probably used to slate him too.

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Valencia has been far more consistent and creative than Nani. I personally don't even see it as an argument! Nani, when he plays well, is unbelievable to watch but it doesn't happen often enough....he performs to a reasonable standard maybe once every 4 or 5 games. That is not a good enough playing at that level. Valencia is like an old fashioned winger, quick & direct, very much like Kanchelskis was! Nani dwells on the ball and tries to take on too many players. As a result, the strikers never know when to make their runs as they don't know when the ball's going to be delivered. He's just damn frustrating to watch!!!

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Way off on Valencia. No one in the league zips in more quality crosses. He puts bullets across the six yard box. And for heaven's sake even Messi passes back and picks his spots to attack. And did you all notice his two left foot crosses last week? I almost passed out . . .

Zidaniel

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Then why does nani consistently have more goals and assists than valencia. Nani giving a 5/10 performance is better than a valencia or young 10/10 performance.

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03 Sep 2012 13:50:35
I think fergie's main problem is trying to fit Kagawa into the team. Last season we didn't have this problem because rooney would drift into that position and work well with Welbeck. Yesterday Kagawa was pushed about by Schneiderlin because he was such a forceful player which tells me that Kagawa maybe needs to bulk up a bit. I personally think Kagawas better that David Silva, but as soon as players knew they could push silva around, he became invisible toward the end of last season. If Kagawa bulked up, he could be amazing, and I think rooney's ability to hold off players sets him aside from Kagawa in that respect, and made him much better suited to that position.

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I agree with this but I think his movement will get him out the situation with more experience in the PL. He wont ever be strong enough to hold up the play like Rooney but Scholes always got free in his younger days as a ACM because of his movement. I expect the same from Kagawa in the future.

Dan

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Rubbish!

Davi Silva waned because he was knackered. Look at Andrés Ianiesta: 65 kg and never gives the ball away. Nasri, Modric etc.. has surely dispelled this myth that you have to be of a certain physique to run the shop

BornInToIt

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Kagawa is not that type of player, like Dembele and Fellaini, Kagawa is a very agile player with quick feet, he likes one touch passing and always finds space, he plays very simple football but is a technically gifted player. David Silva is a great player, just in bad form at the moment, but IMO Kagawa is a better all round player. If Kagawa 'bulked up' he'd lose his pace and agility to get round players. It's a bit like telling Messi to bulk up because he's smal,, they don't need to because it's not part of their game.

Jake F

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If you are looking to compare kagawa to another player then I would say he is like Ozil but a bit more direct.

Dan

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Agree that he needs to bulk up, but cant see him reaching the very top level as an attacking midfielder.
Kagawa is good but his first touch and control isnt actually that good. He has an eye for a pass and good shooting, but if you compare his first touch to rooneys - critical for an attacking mid. playing back to goal, there is a big difference. i cant see him reaching rooneys level. I could see him paying well from the hole position (scholes/carricks position), where he could dictate passing given his intelligent style of play.

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When modric first signed for spurs he had the same problem but learnt how to deal with it and adapt to the league. No need to bulk up, he just needs a bit of time to settle.

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03 Sep 2012 13:47:44
I think our weak link is cleverley he doesn't drive forward much and nearly all his passes are sidewards and backwards he reminds me of back pass Barry ferguson we are missing that fight in the middle that fletcher gives us the constant hounding of players to help us win the ball and get scholes to start the counter the squad we have especially with our front line we should giving the defences of teams like Southampton a nightmare but it just never happened I'm just glad the further into the season we always grow

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Cleverly - an honest opinion.

He's very good, but I don't see greatness. Fans are making him out to be the potential new Scholesy, but for me, the new Carrick is his ceiling. He does everything well, but doesn't scream top quality - neat, tidy, fairly attack minded. But not a world-beater by any means.

RED_SKY

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Give Clevs a break. For starters we don't know what tactical instructions he's been given. Of he's one of the two in a 4231 his role is limited. Personally I'd like to see him receiving the ball further up the field.
Timbo

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I dont think uv really been watching cleverly m8. First of all his attacking responsibility in the team, like fletchers was, IS to play short sideways passes. It allows other players with different roles, to then make the creative plays. Cleverly's role is support.

About him not driving forward and hounding players, thats mostly what i see him do throughout a game. He spends the entire game closing down and pressing high up the pitch, aswell as making himself available for short one twos in this territory, - like fletcher used to. Personally I think hes doing a good job of all this.

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Its the same southampton that gave mancity a problem in their house. So why the complains

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I didn trate Cleverly that much from what I saw of him on loan and early on for the club, though he looked ok before got injured last year. However in th eOlympics and friendlies this season my opinion o fhim has grown.
I would agree to a degree with what Red_Sky says. His awareness seems very good to me and he is very good at moving on the ball quickly and doesnt get caught in possesion to easily.
I dont see him being a world beater, however as a technical player that keeps the side ticking over with his ball retention a and quick distribution, I see him having th epotential to be a very effective one, particularly if/when we start to play at a higher tempo with more understanding within the side. I dont think he has started the premiership season very well, but to be fair how many within our side have. Judging players after just three games seems very premature and naive personally, lets wait until a couple of months in at least
Invisible Stuey

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The whole team doesnt work hard enough to win the ball back, if you watch barca or madrid you will see how it should be done, there are always at least 2 players closing down the ball
United just wait for opposing team to give it away or create a chance

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03 Sep 2012 13:38:09
I have to say I find it pathetic by Ferguson dropping De Gea for hie mistake against Fulham.
Did he not see him make save after save against Everton and made some decent stops against Fulham but to then drop the kid is a disgrace.
We watch Carrick and Evra constantly make silly mistakes yet are almost untouchable in Fergusons eyes.

This could affect De Geas confidence and is bad management again to go along with poor tactics and strange team selection.

Devil Dust.

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De Gea has been in really decent form in the first few games and was surprised to see him on the bench.

Fergie making the wrong decision? im not so sure? looking at the Southampton team with Lambert up front, you knew they were going to pump balls into the box and De Gea is awful with the ball in the air, loses position, flaps at the ball, never catches it.
Maybe fergie thought that Linnedgard (sp) was the better equiped keeper to deal with southampton
Would De Gea have saved both goals - doubt it, i do believe that both full backs should have done alot better.

Think the decision was a tad harsh as De Gea has done well but until he proves he can deal with crosses and corners there's no reason he can't be replaced - If players arn;t doing the job they shouldnt expect to be in the team - goes for anybody

Giants14

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Yes you definitely know better than one of the best football man managers ever!

GDS

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Giants

I agree with you but you will never see Fergie come out and say Evra was poor thats why I dropped him but yet he does this to a kid not even a full season at the club ??

Devil Dust

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Careful Devil Dust. I got accused a being a 'bitter scouser' yesterday for using the same word.

J Bones.

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Who are you to question the greatest manager alive? De Gea IMO shouldn't have been dropped, but SAF knows how to deal with players, and De Gea has even come out before and said making mistakes only makes him want to do better, so in theory he should come back not making a stupid mistake like that. Evra doesn't get dropped because he's the best LB we have, and Carrick very very rarely makes mistakes, and doesn't get enough praise for the influence he has on the team.

Jake F

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With you 100% Devil Dust. A major case of double standards. So many poor decisions yesterday in terms of personnel both before and during game. It raises so many questions.

1. Why buy him?
2. Why play him against Everton, who were a more physical team.
3. Why raise the issue yet further that DDG
does not handle crosses well?

Timbo

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I just think it's SAF's way of trying to get DDG to improve his game, old school style. Kind of like tough love. DDG is still very young and will look up to the manager as a mentor

I have a mentor in work and he tells me straight if I've made an error and tbf I find it inspiring (not demoralising) only because I know how knowledgable he is and how good he is at his job and I know he's only blunt with me because he knows I can be better

That's the way I see it anyway, I'm sure DDG will be back and I'm sure he'll be very eager to improve which is a good thing

Gav

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Devil dust. How on earth do you know enough about feguson's motivations to start making naive comments in the first place. Agree with Gav. This could quite easily be about psychological motivation. Entraining into a young player the clubs culture and standards of being hungry to improve and win could easily be his thinking behind things like this.

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GDS

I never said I knew better than AF if you read the post you will see that I gave my opinion on what I thought was uncalled for and almost hypocritical to lay the blame at one mans feet for a mistake yet watch certain experienced players make one after another but yet whenever they get mentioned its only to heap praise on them.

Devil Dust.

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I am not a big fan of slating players publicly and always respected Morinho on how he goes about defending his team. Not sure what SAF is trying to achieve by publicly undressing him. Shahram

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UHm.. did you ever stop to think that maybe just maybe, Southampton - fresh from the Champinonship (where crossing is practically all they do) with big powerful forwards might have had SAF thinking, 'maybe I should go with a slightly more ariel-attack comfortable keeper for this' ? Not just to be mean. DDG still needs work and we all know it. Why set him up for a potential fall before he's confident he's ready? That seems like far worse managing to me...

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03 Sep 2012 08:52:32
Cr7 says he is not happy at rmd just after rvp scored a hatric.mayb he wants 2 join united in winning cl.

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We are far off winning the CL we will be lily to win the prem.

Poor performances in all 3 games.

Mufc1990

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Ronny said that he misses Manchester cos he spent along time here but he'd commit to real for the rest of his career. Sorry mate I'd love to have him back but think we got more chance of seeing Dennis law resign!

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I get the impression he wants to stay at Real and that's why he made such a public plea - if he wanted to leave he'd probably just get it sorted behind the scenes

Gav

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03 Sep 2012 08:13:10
Falcao's father has said that Falcao is most likely to make a switch to the EPL with Chelsea, City and a Russian club interested in him but prefers the EPL. He also goes on about how Falcao supported Chelsea as a kid and loves the blues and the switch could happen as early as January. Says there is a 55 mil euro buy out in his contract. It sounds like a message "come and get me".(watch this space in January, might see Torres going the other way plus 25 to 30 million cash). Ed002 is this a real possibility?

Shahram {Ed002's Note - There is no agreement. Chelsea and Manchester City enquired a few weeks ago and were told he is not for sale. If he becomes available I am sure there would be interest.}

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If he has a buy-out clause is it not irrelevant wether atletico wish to sell or not assuming the clause is met. {Ed007's Note - You don't know the details of the buy out though. Some buy out clauses can be only to teams in the same league or a CL team. Buy out clauses aren't as straight forward as some people think.}

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03 Sep 2012 01:05:27
Just for my pure dreamland ! If in fact Ronaldo requests a transfer and says he wants the United shirt back then I have 3 questions for you...

1. Would the Glazers sanction a deal without selling?
2. Would Rooney be involved in the deal?
3. If Nani goes in January for £25million would it be worth the extra £40-50million to get him?

I have 1 fact too....

Of course he is worth it, I would offer Rooney in a heart beat to Madrid if it meant Ronaldo returning, just imagine a front 4 of Valencia, Kagawa, Ronaldo and RVP.

George

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Why on earth does people want to get rid of rooney
he has been the backbone of our club
SAF will never sell him

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I'd trade rooney for ronny all day long. i really hope it could happen. T45

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If he did want to come back we should do whatever it takes to get him back! he will push us to the next level and we can re-claim the champions league and prem title.

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You make some valid points but I'm not giving up Rooney for anything. The only ways this happens are if the club is bought before next summer by someone with obscene money or if the negotiations with Nike include some added money if the team includes Ronaldo, their biggest endorser. -KG

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So you wanna get rid of a player thats played for us for 10 years while being 27 and at the same time get in a player that already left us in the peak of his career? No thanks. Rooney straight up. But i wouldn't mind seeing Ronnie back just not if it means Rooney leaves.

Ozwald

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Yeah I agree, it madness to even think of Rooney leaving.

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Imagine a front 4 of ronaldo, kagawa, RVP AND Rooney, sell nani Anderson carrick and get a solid centre mid and let them 4 run riot, unstoppable !!!

Duggo

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I'd give Rooney a piggy back to Madrid to get Ronnie back.Probably never walk again after carrying all that weight but it would be worth it.

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Bit of reality here. Ronnie has 3 years left of a 6 year deal and a 1bn buy out clause. He has banged in goals for RM since he went there and is a huge source of revenue for them. He has also said on the past that he wasnt happy and seems to have turned the corner on that occasion.
So what do you think he would cost - even if he handed in a transfer request next summer with 2 years left on his contract?
Much as I'd love it, I dont think United could afford him.

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Awesome player that he is, I'm not sure how Ronny would fit into the side now. We seem to be slowly moving towards a mor modern fluid style, and I don't see Ronny fitting that unless given a free role to wander and cause havok as he saw fit.

Thorne

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Valencia is so out of place in that front 4!

Percy {Ed004's Note - I agree. I know he doesn't get along with most on the site but if we are to play a fluid front 4 Nani or even young needs to bein there}

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I agree Percy but doesn't Valencia make the starting eleven on merit? Although my dream front 4 would be Ronaldo, Rooney, Muniain and RVP

George {Ed004's Note - You could replace munian with kagawa}

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Yeah i would stick Kagawa on the right instead of Valencia in that situation.

Dan

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Guys you have no clue about football valencia is our best and most consistant player

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--------------DDG--------------------
--Rafael---Jones----Vidic----Blackett--
-----------Tunni----Carrick-----------
----Ronnie-----Kawaga------Muinian--
--------------Rooney----------------

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De Gea
Rafael Ferdinand Vidic Buttner
Vidal
Valencia Kagawa Ronaldo
RvP Rooney

Subs:
Young
Nani

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Subs:
Young
Nani
Anderson
Cleverly
Evra

On paper that looks sick!

ALDUtd

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03 Sep 2012 00:21:18
I can see Owen joining Liverpool

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Thought owen would only sign for a premier league club lol
ARB

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Why, where are sat?

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Mystic Meg lives ! Genius !!!!!!!
Ellie

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I think Owen should tell Liverpool to get stuffed after the rubbish their awful fans gave him when he signed for United !

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I heard one Liverpool fan on the radio seriously suggesting that they should also bring back Heskey for a little and large pairing. I love listening to the scousers talk about Liverpool football club. Their delusion is hilarious

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We love owen, just for THAT goal!!

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