Manchester United Rumours Archive July 04 2012

04 Jul 2012 21:02:24
United sign young spanish keeper rodrigo alvarez

Is he any good?

Never heard of him, would not be surprised if united try and turn him into a midfielder, seems like the only way we will get a central midfield player these days.

He will go straight into the ressies and I think both Johnstone and Amos will go out on loan. I have a feeling that Amos may replace Butland at Birmingham, but we will see.

Sydney!

Yeah - he's got bags of potential but may need a stint on loan

I dont know is he good but there will be probably something about him in tomorrow papers

Hasn't Johnstone gone to Oldham?

Nicko

Syd,didn't amos just sign a new deal? or am i missing something
G-Rav

No liam jacob has gone to oldham

phil

Don't think this guy even exists guys

G-Rav, sorry mate I meant on loan.

Sydney!

Ah k yeah would be good for the lad, hull city are also said to be interested where do you recon he'll end up Birmingham or Hull?
G-Rav

04 Jul 2012 20:10:09
United wont be signing Van Persie. Fergie likes and (usually has) 4 strikers. He has already stated that berba is in his plans, so unless Welbeck or Chicha leave (Wont happen any time soon) United will NOT sign another striker!
James

You must be incredibly naive if you seriously believe Berbatov is in his plans.

Sydney!

Berba said he's leaving already. Fergie wont keep him. RvP is an option as he would play right up top.

Why would it be naive to think he is staying? Fergie said he is still in his plans already and Berba said he would be leaving if first team opportunities weren't available and if Chica has the same form he had last season i doubt berba will be left out again plus we know he can deliver so i dont think he will leave! Just my opinion!
James

Van Persie will definately not sign for another English club. He will go to Juventus. He doesn't need money he wants some titles and it will be easier for him in Italy.

James, the manager said a couple of months ago that Berbatov will be sold, he and his agent have said the same. SAF's latest comment is to drum up his price. The only way Berbatov will be a United player next season is if no one buys him.

No name, he may be saying money isn't a factor, but it will be. He had no problem making his harsh Arsenal statement so why would he care about joining another EPL club? City will sign him in place of Dzeko.

Sydney!

Gotta agree with Syd...RVP will be city bound on around £200k a week

I have heard rumours about RVP to united but more prominently that he would go to city. Judging by his wife wanting to stay in London and his father saying that he would not move to another english club and RVP himself saying that he is not motivated by financial gain, I think city is actually a very unlikely destination for him.
Him and Rooney up front would be a wet dream though!

I don't know Syd, I think things change in Football. I guess we will just have to wait and see. In my opinion though i think he will stay. I know we could get (around) 5-9 million for him now maybe less, not really sure how to judge how much he would cost due to his one year contract and not getting much football last season, but we know he has quality! I think Fergie knows now that Owen is gone, Will keane is injured maybe for most of the season and Chicha may have another off season that it would be wisest keeping Berba maybe for another season!

United won't spend 25m and 10m per season wages on a soon to be 29 year old, often injured striker. That's the City way. Moutinho,Witsel or the like would be what we need. We'd save 5m per year wages too. You should always mend the most broken part of a machine. Uniteds is central midfield.

Can't see RVP moving to anyone besides City or the big two in Spain, Juventus have been linked but can't see him moving to Italy either.

How about if united offer 5-10m plus Berbatov, Arsenal having already signed Giroud and Podiski (sp) will probably be looking at another striker, use berbatov wage plus extra to lure him :) both players are wanting away and both have a year left on their contracts - Simples! :)

RVP,Rooney,Chico,Welbeck would be one hell of a strikeforce, with the support of Kagawa and another possible midfield player.

Come on Fergie you know it makes sense ;)

Giants14

We will need another striker as Berbatov is going, however i can't see us signing RVP as the overall package would be far too expensive for a player of his age and with no sell on value. More likely as some of todays papers are sugesting would be a move for someone like Demba Ba , who would probably be happy as one of four strikers and very cheap at £7million.

"The only way Berbatov will be a United player next season is if no one buys him."

You're probably correct Syd ;) lol.

Jules

04 Jul 2012 19:33:58
Saying rvp snubbed new arsenal deal does that give us a better chance of signing M'villa? {Ed002's Note - No.}

But now arsenal will want him more

Arsenal are supposed to have given up on him after his Euro 2012 antics. IMO he is still our best option apart from Martinez who will not go to the PL i feel. If doctors can sort out Rodwells injuries then I would love to have Rodwell as much as Mvila, people seem to forget about Rodwell!

04 Jul 2012 18:07:54
RVP will go to City because he's a money grabber just like Nasri and Clichy, showing zero respect to the club that were loyal to him through injuries. Please don't suggest we sign him. Last season was his first season without injury, he's 29 and we are building a team for the future.
SqueakyBum

As an Arsenal fan I have been saying that all summer, glad ther are some other smart fans. Well said

I actually don't think he is just a money grabber. He could have got more money by going elsewhere long before now. I don't think he will joing another English club out of respect for Arsenal. I think Juventus is his most likely destination.

Note Man City odds on to sign him - how are they going to keep RVP, Balotelli, Tevez, Aguero and Dzeko all happy?!

And roque Santa cruz. Ha ha

By giving them hundreds of thousands per week haha. RVP is not leaving for money he is leaving for trophies. Unlike Nasri and Cliche.

Totally agree with you mate. He has had one really good injury free season in god knows how many years. The club sticks with him then he f***s off for as much cash as he can get his grubby little mits on the t**t
Cheeks

Agreed
Woffsta

04 Jul 2012 17:28:40
Van Persie has rejected Arsenals latest contract offer, could this mean anything for united? Or is it Man City all the way from here?

LUKE CHADWICKS LOVE CHILD

He'll go to City but ... Arsenal may yet force him to paly out the remainder of his contract as nonsensical as that may seem from a £££s perspective.

Halesini

If RVP really is to be sold by Arsenal then we should be really interested. Albeit he is older than our usual policy allows he is real quality and would provide an excellent partner for Rooney for 3/4 years. He would also be a mentor for Wellbeck during that period. If we could get him for no more than £20m that would be a great buy.

Van persie will definately not sign for another English club; I see him going to either Spain or Italy. Probably AC or Juve

04 Jul 2012 17:21:19
RVP announces he is leaving The Arse...can anyone see further than Barthelona or do we have a chance

I can see city, is that further than Barcelona?

GDS

One good injury free season...20 odd mill ...29yrs old....aint happening. thank god!!

04 Jul 2012 15:19:06
Afternoon Gents,

Well I am gutted to hear Pogba's off, but if the lad wanted to go, what can you do? Could it of been avoided? who knows?

I'm not gonna slate the lad, his decision so you have to respect that but it did get me thinking, which Footballers have left United and gone on to achieve more Footballing success then United in in that same period?

Ronaldo? Title and Cope del Rey, but United have have won a League and the League cup and been to the Champions League Final. Ronaldo also won World Player of the Year whilst at United and not since!

Beckham? His brand may of gone up but not his footballing success.

Tevez? Haha, I'm joking on that one!

The only player I can think of is Pique! But he left as he was home sick and you can't stop the kid in those circumstances, I believe if he was to leave Barcelona, he'd want to join us now he's older!

So, Pogba, maybe the grass isn't always greener! He may win the league but it will always be a league that is tainted and as for Europe, I'm not sure Italy's club sides are the force they once were in Europe compared to English Clubs and the Spanish and Germans.

I suppose time will tell.

I'll wish him well, but not good luck, although, I think he'll need it.

Ports

Jaap stam!! biggest mistake fergie ever made letting him go.

Jaap Stam may of been a mistake but again, did he achieve more once he left? He never won a title again!

Ports

Pique to Barcelone demonstrates the good qualities of SAF. He understood that he could not offer consistent first team football to a loyal professional and made a selfless decision.

U never know he may return to united a better player.

Sold Strachan to Leeds, let Beardsley go too, bobby sackville back in the day

Strachan won 1 league title with Leeds, United won the FA Cup, Cup Winners Cup and then the prem started and the rest is history!

Beardsley only won 2 titles and 1 FA Cup, retired in 99 so will let you add up United's success in that time!

Bobby Sackville, well you stumped me on him :)

Ports

04 Jul 2012 13:36:03
Ed im sorry as you are probably sick of this already but where does this flotation leave the club regarding transfers etc im just getting the feeling they want to see if the value of the club is as much as they think then sell more shares {Ed002's Note - It will make no difference in the short term.}

True that it will make little short term difference but if you read the document provided to the US regulators there are deep concerns.The term is apparently used at its most chilling at the bottom of page 25. Here, the document states: "Our indebtedness could adversely affect our financial health and competitive position."

This is the Glazers publicly conceding – after seven years of denials from them, Sir Alex Ferguson, the manager, and the chief executive, David Gill – that the £423m debt loaded on the club by the US-based family when buying it in 2005 "increases the risk" of their ability to operate it as competitive business.

This section goes on to state: "As of March 31, 2012, we had total indebtedness of £423.3m. Our indebtedness increases the risk that we may be unable to generate cash sufficient to pay amounts due in respect of our indebtedness. It could also have effects on our business."

Not sure if it really comes as any great surprise that poor financial performance can result in a dimunition in purchasing power, increased risk of business failure etc surely if the company were to be relegated it would suffer similar issues? I don't think anything has been admitted that wasn't blatently obvious anyway.

04 Jul 2012 12:57:05
James Rodiguez quoted on Skysports saying he's not heard of any interest from United or anyone else and intends to 'win titles' with Porto next season.

Eds, Sydney, Jenny, Fearny et al - any news ?
I'd understood we had bid an undisclosed sum which was rejected but were preparing a £30m bid.


Halesini

He would have been told to keep shtum,

Sydney!

Agree with Syd...

Any transfer like fergie has admitted will be kept quiet and kept under the radar until a deal is struck... To keep the vultures (Man City, Chelsea) coming in and buying every player we want.

fearny

And he's not gonna say I would love to go to United for the deal to full through.
I don't expect him to come in this season though.

RedDevil7

Good stuff. Hope we do get him as think Fergie may view him as the new Ronaldo. Not that there will ever be a new Ronaldo etc.

Looks to be lightening fast. Him and Valencia terrorising the wings would be an awesome sight for sure.

Appreciate that probably spells the end for Nani though which 50% here will love and 50% will loathe.

Halesini

Or he may not have been told. United submit a bid to the club and not the player, if the club have no intention of selling the player then why would.they let him know as it would.only unsettle him. Or alternatively maybe we haven't bid for him, maybe the bid that was rumoured was for someone.else at porto.

Shappy

Could he be telling the truth

I havent heard anything from any of my contacts.
All this talk came from Portugal and there press reporting a bid was imminent. twitter and uk press got hold of this and thats where we are now from what i can gether. The player could well be telling the truth.

Jenny

Rodriguez will only come if Nani goes, so I think he will stay where he is or go else where. If SAF wouldn't pay over 30m for Modric, he sure as Hell isn't going to pay 30m+ for a 20 year old with one good season behind him. We really need to focus on our midfield, where in an ideal world we'd buy 2 new players. Anderson,park and Young should All be sold, raising 30m or so, then with the money buy Moutinho. Then the Glazers can cough up some more for M'Vila or Witsel. We just can't rely on past greats like Scholes and Giggs, or the sick, fat and average with Fletcher, Anderson and Cleverley. I have a feeling that this season could see Petrucci overtake Cleverley in the pecking order. If he does;t then that would be a big let down.
Mik

Disagree Mik - Cleverley is absolute class, he just needs a consistent run in the team. Whether we buy a midfielder should depend on whether in SAF's opinion, Fletch can recover and play a meaningful role this season and Ando can get fit and reach the potential we all thought he had a few years ago. Don't forget the European Debt Crisis and the FIFA financial fair play rules. This should mean that we are in an environment where we can negotiate great deals and under no circumstances should we pay over the odds for any player !

03 Jul 2012 22:15:44
ED002 Manchester United has filed its papers for an Initial Public Offering in the US..What does this mean? we have placed shares in the US shareholding market

RED91 {Ed002's Note - In simple terms they will offer part of the club for sale via a public sale through an American stockmarket.}

What are the implications of this in terms of future funds available for players etc?

I think an Ed mentioned its on like £64m worth of the club just to see what price it can be expected to achieve.

With regards to transfer impact they obviously understand that the team sucking will hurt shares. The other thing is we won't know if the money spent on loans interest will be split to pay for players or not ,it could also just end up in Uncle Malcs trouser pocket as dividends , so short term there will be no difference imo

Pardoe

Not brain Surgery... United value the shares. They create a specified number of shares to be released to public.
Punters buy them, The 'Double' Glazers get the money to pay off debt.
Brand gets bigger, more money generated...ad infintum (Please God)

04 Jul 2012 07:33:17
Is paulinho from corinthias good? Heard that we will sign him and loan him back. {Ed002's Note - Don't hold your breath.}