Manchester United Rumours Archive June 04 2013

04 Jun 2013 23:53:51
Hearing that strootmans agent believes there's other more concrete offers for him and looks to be pushing through a move to Germany.

I hope not, where have you heard this too?

Probably a bitter rival fan.

04 Jun 2013 22:32:19
Not sure how strong it is, but I've been told twice now by two diffrrent people that Manchester United actually tabled a cheeky mid-range offer to Real Madrid for Cristiano Ronaldo last Wednesday evening. (based on those words I'd guess at around £40m perhaps?).

Interesting, Real turned down the offer and immediately slapped a 3 year contract extension in front of Ronaldo, which he then declined instantly. It seems as though Real are stuck in the middle of something here, as 'should' United now make a 2nd offer, in the knowledge that Cristiano has rejected an extension, it's likely to be less than the initial offer. it seems Real have some thinking to do!

Just for the record, I personally don't believe Ronaldo will return, however I couldn't help but get slightly optimistic when I heard the above twice, from 2 different people.

WF Red Devil

Who are these two different people? {Ed004's Note - Woodward and Gill}

One is an ex-Everton player, and the other runs a well known agency for sportsmen in the UK.

WF Red Devil

Thank you for posting WF. We shall see if it is true, hopefully so.

It seems that despite being a rumours site you have to prove your sources on here now especially if some don't believe it and then additionally if it is a Ronaldo rumour accept that you will receive cynicism and sarcasm for posting it.

Red Man

Hi Red Man,

Too true, too true. However I think rather than being a good old fashion rumours site, I think some do enjoy just posting their imaginations - hence the need to name a source or reference I suppose.

Again, I personally don't think it will happen (Ronaldo's return). I think 'if' the rumour is true, it might be a case of United just playing clever. Perhaps United actually want a different Madrid player (let's say Di Maria for instance)? Madrid would be far more open to offers for Di Maria, if it mean't United backing off from Ronaldo.

*Note, the last paragraph is conjecture and me just putting 2+2 together*

WF Red Devil

CR7 wouldn't be allowed to go for 40m. The Sun, for what it's worth, were talking about United offering 65m plus a player - Chico?, that would be a new world record if you price Chico at 20m euros it would be 82m. I think it's just a fantasy and even the amazing CR7 isn't worth that considering he'll be 29 next February.
Mik

Hi Mik,

Let's say for instance an offer has been tabled, and it is around £40m, this doesn't mean it's intended as a serious offer. In the world of negotiations, this is a classic technique called 'anchoring'. Essentially it's about putting an initial offer that's far below the asset value, in order to try and bring the other party down to your valuation bracket.

However as previously explained, it could simply be a ploy to get Madrid to say "Listen, keep away from Cristiano, and we'll let you take Di Maria for £15m, rather than £20m, which is what we initially wanted".

Right there, and via a simple bid for Ronaldo (which was never a serious offer), United have managed to reduce Di Maria's price by £5m.

Again, the above is pure conjecture and only my thoughts and opinions.

Agree with you though Mik on the fact he's 29 soon, as spending a vast amount on money does seem 'un-business' like. I think it's this that's leading me down the whole 'decrease Di Maria's value' theory.

WF Red Devil

04 Jun 2013 21:35:48
How likely is it that united sign thiago eds? {Ed004's Note - I reckon it's a 7/10}

Eds, out of all the clubs interested in thiago, who would he more likely move to if he was to leave? Thanks {Ed004's Note - I reckon us}

Sounds good to me ed

As time goes by i'm hoping it'll be a more 8 or 9/10 by summer? ;o)

Most outstanding footballer. he would become a true legend at OT. He is the signing I want the most. Hope it happens.

MattW

04 Jun 2013 20:16:45
Hi eds, Any truth in the rumour that Nani is going to Galatasaray? and how much is he realistically worth? {Ed004's Note - I do not know maybe at a push 15-20 million}

Nani may go to galatasary for 18m but I think he will go to Monaco for 20m

I just can't see how any club would consider paying more than 7-8 million for him, so anyone offering north of 10 I would carry him there. 18-20 is daylight robbery.

DanW

About time we sold someone over priced though

04 Jun 2013 19:48:42
Eds, who do you think our first summer signing will be? {Ed004's Note - Strootman}

First signing is Zaha goes through july 1st when window opens lol {Ed004's Note - It has already been completed in January? He is a United player that has been on loan past 6 months?}

Eziquiel garay will come from benfica we have beat Barcelona in the race to sign him

04 Jun 2013 16:49:07
Eds, can you see cristiano ronaldo leaving real madrid for man united this summer? Thanks
RED DEVILS {Ed004's Note - No}

How about next summer then ed?

MS {Ed004's Note - It may be a bit likelier but still very unlikely}

04 Jun 2013 16:23:29
Florentino Perez said that Madrid would not trigger his buy out clause for sure.

Apparantley ronaldo has put his house up for sale. Surely he's united bound

Or Chelsea bound

Why Chelsea, so many people saying he might go there with Mourinho, as if they have some amazing relationship or get on really well. Off the mark.

Or man united bound?

Sorry, Madrid won't trigger Ronnie's release clause? They already have the player it's nothing to do with them, if another club triggers it they can't do anything about it. Exactly what happened to Gotze's move to Bayern if i'm correct. Doubt anyone would trigger the supposedly trigger the clause anyway it's outrageous, £1 billion or something?

Ozwald

04 Jun 2013 15:47:16
Ed people put on here that ronaldo is coming back but never say where they hear it from where do they come from these rumours? {Ed004's Note - They could be made up, they could be from random newspapers or gossip forums, or they could possibly be from their own individual sources}

04 Jun 2013 14:29:08
just hearing ronaldo will be back next year deal in place that will see vidic move to madrid in p/x. as anyone else heard about this

Why would Ronaldo swap Madrid for Manchester? What would he want to achieve with us that he hasn't already achieved when he was with us? He won the Champions League with us and league titles so why would he want to come back? He wants to win the champions league with madrid and that is why he will stay to try to achieve that IMO.

Deal brokered in London Law Firm with Nike and Chevrolet endorsements

Nope just can't see it, peely I think if he did want to come back it would be to get out of direct competition with Messi! He won ballon d'or with us but no matter how good he is Messi will outshine him in spain, but not in England.

1redarmy

Also (to follow on from 1redarmy) ronaldo is obviously a player who thrives on appreciation (from the fans as well as fifa) which has been harder to come by in madrid than it was in manchester so why would he not want to come back to manchester, where he is loved, despite the weather or whatever reason peely made up ;)

Jaxer

04 Jun 2013 12:15:07
Eds do we have any interest in griezmann? Looks like a very good player and wouldn't cost a fortune, also the scousers seem to think cristan tells has a 8mil buy out clause? Is that true and is a chance we could see him at united? Very quick, got a good shot, bags of potential. {Ed002's Note - Athletico Madrid, Valencia, Marseille and Lyon have shown some interest in Griezmann in the recent past and repordedly Barcelona tool a look at one time. Whilst the kid has said that he has no plans to leave Spain anytime soon the financial problems being faced by Real Sociedad may well see him leave the club in the summer. The two clubs showing a real interest right now are Arsenal and Fiorentina.}

04 Jun 2013 11:11:32
Moyes will try to bring in jack Rodwell as his first signing to play alongside carrick.
Pellegrini will pile the city team with more players from overseas so the likes of Rodwell and Sinclair will be sold. Not that they was ever really apart of mancinis team anyway.

Would people be encouraged with a carrick Rodwell pairing?

Come on Gibbo, Rodwell is ok at best. Strootman will partner carrick.

"Would people be encouraged with a carrick rodwell paring" Hell NO

Rodwell is far too injury prone.

Mad Hatter

A few years ago I would have expected Rodwell to replace Carrick, but his injury problems have not gone away so a simple answer is no. I would not expect to see Rodwell at United nor would I want him here.

Sydney!

You have a better chance of winning the lottery than us being interested in Rodwell

Melwing28

04 Jun 2013 11:48:36
He wouldn't be my first choice signing. His injury problems make him look like he might become another Hargreaves. Plus his constant injuries have hindered his progress just like Anderson. And can you really see City selling to us?

I wouldn't be against it as he still has a lot of ability if he can over come his injuries. But I would only want to see him come in along side Strootman. We can't afford to gamble our midfield on just Rodwell.

Rodwell? Not a chance he will play for UTD, he is not good enough for city so he ain't good enough for us. He is overated and far too injury prone.

I actually think the Rodwell Carrick partnership would be great for 5 games per season, also heard that as part of Rodwells kit he gets matching boots and binoculars 50x25 so he can watch the training from his physio's table

Marvelous choice of player

City player to Manchester United no way!
don't want him

It will be Carrick and Fellaini

I agree Carrick and Fellaini, but if Fellaini wants to stay put, Moyes will go for Wanyama
Mik

04 Jun 2013 10:29:44
Apparently AS Monaco are "edging closer" to signing Nani for £20M

Finally he'll be gone! Although I can see him doing well there

T14

Of course hel do well carp player crap league

I can see him performing better in the french league if only because the quality of defenders is worse than in the epl, also because he will be pulled along by his genuinely world class teammates at monaco (i realise that sentence could be misconstrued: what I mean is that it is easier to be dragged along when in a worse league; not he didnt/doesnt have genuinely world class teammates at utd but that he is the one who isn't genuinely world class)

Jaxer

04 Jun 2013 04:43:26
Atletico Madrid seem to have wrapped up a deal for Leo Baptistao. This should hopefully cool their supposed interest in Chico.

redseven

Redseven, this is regarding our convo from yesterday. Below is very similar to what I said. Where I went wrong was saying players bought adds value to the club. That is incorrect. The rest is true.

"We do, as you suggest treat players as an asset. The cost of acquiring a player can be made up of many components. These include the transfer fee itself and agents fees. The costs are capitalised and included as intangible fixed assets. These costs are then depreciated or ‘amortised’ over the length of the players contract. The amortisation charge reduces the value of the asset and creates a charge in our profit and loss account. As an example if we purchase a player for £1m on a 4 year contract we would have an amortisation charge of £250k per year. At the end of year 1 he would have an asset value of £750k. At the end of year 4 he would have a value of nil.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Just to be clear - the players are intangible assets.}

Ed002, can I ask do the whole playing squad of a football club have an asset value what would effect the price of a club? I know individually they do not effect the price, but what about as a whole? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - The players are intangible assets Syd. They are transient.}

Thanks Ed002. So if MU released every United player this summer and brought in the Annan FC squad would the valuation of United be the same? Of course relegation would follow and sponsors would pull out over time etc etc and the club's value would drop. But at the time the season kicked off would the value of the club remain the same?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Ok Syd. If Manchester United quit the league and stopped playing football it would impact the value of the business. I hope you appreciate that I don't have the time or inclination to answer any more questions from you. Sorry.}

Ed002, I was genuinely interested. I was not being facetious.

Sydney!

Sydney - players are not entered on the balance sheet. I'm not 100% sure but I think they go under the accounting heading as part of "goodwill".
Mik

Ed002, that is a good point from Sydney! which would actually have a very interesting answer so please, if I ask very politely, may you answer his last question? pretty please

Jaxer {Ed002's Note - They go under the accounting heading of "Intangible Assets".}