Manchester United Rumours Archive August 05 2011

05 Aug 2011 21:54:31
I really think Berbatov will be sold this summer, Welbeck & Hernandez have made it clear that we don't need Berbatov and £18m would be too much to turn down for a soon to be 31 year old with a year on his contract.

Out:

Gibson
Kuszczak
Obertan (Loan)
Macheda (Loan)
Diouf
Berbatov
Norwood (Loan)
Johnstone (Loan)

I think the rest of the squad will stay put with one more midfielder coming in. Lets be honest we have a top squad and I am not basing that on tonight's game. With Fletcher, Valencia, Hernandez, Carrick, Morrison, Park & a new attacking midfielder added to the lads that played tonight, we have a great squad.

Sydney!

Why would you say that with macheda and welbeck that we dont need berbatov and then say macheda will head out on loan?
I think we should either keep macheda or loan him to a premier league team so he gets more experience in the premier league like welbeck and cleverley.

MUFC Till I Die

So excited for the new season after our amazing pre season.. we're gonna have a better campaign than the last and we didn't exactly do too bad last year now did we? ;)

I didn't say that mate, I said Welbeck & Hernandez. I also agree that Macheda needs a PL loan move.

Sydney!

I think diof is ok and with some training can use in diffrent position in midfield

Pre-season did go well, but again its pre season so i think we should wait till after the city game or at least the first month or so before thinking we will romp the league

karim

MUFC Till I Die

He said Hernandez and Welbeck have proved to SAF that Berbatov is not needed.

Obertan might go to Newcastle Utd,..on loan with an option for permanent.
He has pace,..but lacks the overall package,..a season loan might improve him or else,..next season...Bye Bye

DC_9

I'd be happier selling Macheda and Wellbeck than selling Berbatov. £20m would be very, very tempting though. In my opinion we need 4 strikers, so it would mean buying one Macheda,Owen and Diouf just don't cut it
Mik

I think we should keep Diouf and sell Berba. Diouf is big, strong and last season at Blackburn I thought he was very good. I think he could be worth holding onto. Have Rooney + Hernandez playing together with the options of Welbeck, Owen + Diouf. Number 20 here we come

Sorry Syd, i read what i wanted to see not what you said, but yes a pl move would be great for him, his confidence is already high. Any idea on how much time pogba, morrison, and cleverley will get in the first team this year?

MUFC Till I Die

Surely Chico's injury re-emphasizes the point I made a while back that unless Berbatov is replaced we will be left very short if Rooney or Chico are injured.

Owen may as well be made of glass and could never be relied on as anything more than a useful substitute. Wellbeck is good but is still some way off being the finished article and I really would not be comfortable relying on him as one of our main strikers whilst one of Rooney or Chico was injured.

If Rooney also picks up a knock or a suspension would everybody be happy with us relying on Owen and Wellbeck up top for three or four games with no other experienced striker on the bench? (assuming Berbatov and Diouf are sold and Macheda goes out on loan).

Diouf may end up staying but having seen his body language earlier and amidst recent rumours that he was set to leave for Blackpool something tells me he will probably be leaving (either on loan or permanently).

Turning down anything north of £12m for Berbatov would be foolish at this point but failing to replace him would be more so.

Comparing Chelsea's attackers to ours (based on current ability) and having watched both Sturridge and Wellbeck play together at the u21's World Cup and a fair amount last season-
Rooney > Chico > Berbatov > Wellbeck > Diouf > Owen > Macheda
Drogba > Torres > Anelka > Lukaku? > Kalou > Sturridge
- I think it's fair to say that Chelsea's fifth choice attacker (assuming the signing of Lukaku goes ahead) is better than our third choice (assuming Berbatov is sold). That should not be the case.
T0MB0Z

Tomboz dead right and berb showed how slow he is yet again
If fergie thinks berb is even 2nd choice we have no chance of winning stuff

Diouf is a better player than Mecheda.. He is still living off that goal against Villa..

Sell him instead

Nathana Se7en

Hardly Drogba is 33 The old Torres maybe but when is the last time you can remember Torres playing well? Kalou is brutal. And do you really think Chelsea are going to start playing Sturridge and Lukaku(if they even get him that is) on any kind of regular basis to get them up to speed to influence a series of games in the prem? Chelsea cant play there two top strikers at the same time as it is so I think your point is,well, pointless
I'd take our strikers with or without Berb over there's any day
Red Balls

TOMBOZ,

I think the reason Chelsea will always have a stronger forward line is that they tend to use the 4-3-3 with the forward 3 all strikers (or Malouda and 2). So because of that a strike force of 5 strong is needed. Doesn't matter though as with our superior Defense I think we will beat them convincingly unless AVB has a "special" effect on them.

Jono

'T0MB0Z'

What are you waffling on about? How in gods name is Lukaku better than Welbeck? He is still very raw and completely unproven in the PL. Anelka & Kalou are leaving and Torres has been awful all summer during pre-season. It will look like this:

Rooney > Hernandez > Welbeck > Owen

Drogba > Torres > Sturridge > Lukaku

I don't think Berbatov needs replacing, we have Park, Young, Nani & Sneijder? all capable of scoring goals. Plus Hernandez' injury was a freak accident. Do you think this will happen every week to him?

Sydney!

Sydney!

Have you ever watched Lukaku play or are you describing him as raw because that's what you've read in the papers? A lot of his skill and attributes are more polished than those of Wellbeck. As for his lack of EPL experience Chicorito proved last season that it is not always needed.

I wasn't aware that Anelka and Kalou are leaving. Is this information from your source are did I just miss an issue of The Sun?

Torres is in the same position Berbatov was at the start of last season (his confidence is shot). Only an person would try and argue that Torres does not have the ability to play some great football (que argument) and will be back at his best after scoring a few goals.

You must be either very naive or very stupid if you think it inconceivable that one of our main strikers will pick up an injury. Rooney has had many problems with his ankles and metatarsals and also has a very short fuse. There's also nothing stopping him picking up a broken leg like Toni did last season or a virus like Fletcher did. Heck he could even throw a tantrum about his wages like he did last season if Sneijder does sign and is paid more money.

I'll ask the question again as you conveniently failed to answer before - would you be happy relying on Owen and Wellbeck up front with no established striker on the bench? I don't see how you could be.

Given that Sneijder has not signed yet (and according to your 'source' he will go to City anyway) 21 goals in 82 Premier League appearances (and some of those were Ashley Young penalties) doesn't fill me with confidence - especially when all three of the players you listed are best suited to the LW position.

Red Balls
Drogba may be 33 but his goal against us in the Champions League is proof enough to me that he still has it in him to score sublime goals and make a difference. I've already given my views on Torres.

I do not think that Sturridge and Lukaku will be given many starts next season unless 3 or 4 players ahead of them in the pecking order are unavailable. That is kind of my point though. I would much rather have Lukaku and Sturridge as my only two forward options than Owen and Wellbeck.

Two players being injured at the same time is not impossible (look at what happened to Sunderland last season).
T0MB0Z

I'm not sure, I would play Welbeck ahead of Kalou. And I would play him ahead of Anelka. I would prefer to have Lukaku to Diouf tho. We could sell Berba tho, or we could... not sell him. Welbeck and Berba as back ups, or Kalou and Anelka as back ups. Rooney and Hernandez as starters or Drogba and Torres as starters. Hard choice I know but I would go for ours. Gilly

05 Aug 2011 21:09:52
Would you rather spend 19.1 million on Samir Nasri or 30 odd on WS? I think id go for Nasri and take a chance and spend the difference on Erik Torres, Marco Fabian and Juan Manuel iturbe
Mac

I'd prefer goetz or ganso over nasri or Juan Manuel iturbe if WS is not available.. diego

S****y are willing to spend 22m and give him a crazy wage package. Wenger would rather sell him to S****y and sadly I think the player is about $

And then wot wud b the point in having that many attacking youth players?

I'd rather spend £30 million on Sneijder as he is world class; I am n ot convinced that Nasri has the strength, stamina, commitment and will to go through a 50+ gane season at a high performance level - just look at his input to the Arse over the last two or three seasons - its not exceptional; we need exceptional. Bring in Sneijder
Mike B.

Spot on Mike B,...that is y we are looking for sneijder. And regarding Sneijder for £30M - £35M,Sydney made that point clear i think yesterday,..Y sneijder can demand £200,000+/week, coz he deserve and he have the right to demand,he had played at top level for years,he has bag full of experience.where as Nasri has not yet achieved what sneijder has,has not played at highest level (say champions league final), and so potentially he cannot demand £150,000/week.And if he wants something over £150K,i think only city can satisfy him,well without trophies.
I think if we,"ever" sign him he would be on £80,000 - £90,000/week maximum.

And some of our fans are suggesting the way city are spending they will start achieving trophies as well,..Well mates...to win trophies u need spirit,..team work,..and above all a top class manager.,,No money can buy that.
Have u seen spirit among Man City players,..as what we have...Def.NOO

So,..the only threat for us this year is Chelsea,..that too when Torres starts firing.,and if they get Modric.

Good things to come at Old Trafford folks...so cheers.

DC_9

Ganso and Sissoko, or Martin and M'vila for £35m. Why no one mentions Marvin Martin amazes me. He's 20, similar to Thiago, already a full French international and 20m euros would be more than enough
Mik

Mik, Marvin Martin has made 2 appearances for the french international team. You want to spend 20m euros on a player unproven in the premier league, with no champions league experience and put him into a starting role at quite possibly the biggest club in the world, probably wouldnt go so well. It would be a huge risk and if SAF really rated him to succeed like he did de gea then he would have made a move for him already. I dont want to rain on your parade but i dont think martin would be a good move unless we bought him and loaned him to a pl team for a year or two. Ganso i would like cause he has great vision and great passing, but hes also too young and m'vila i like as well. Im not familiar at all with Sissoko so i have no comment about him.

MUFC Till I Die

Ganso -21. Gotze 19 - M'vila 21 - Hamsik 24 are top notch players. Not injury prone like WS. Of course there is a risk when getting a player from another league. WS didn't cut it at Real, in fact he had a lot of games out with injuries last season, when he did play he was average. Take a look at his stats. 2009 - 2010 is his only really good year at club level since leaving Ajax. He is brilliant at World cups and I think many observers have thought of him, as if he was playing in World cups all the time. I don't think he is worth £35m, when taking all this in account. As for £250,000 a week, when he is likely to miss a half of each season with injuries, is ridiculous. I would rather see a younger, more hungry player. They have time to settle and a sell on value. Hamsik or Ganso would be my choice. Apart from my disapproval, (I of course would love to be wrong if he signed for us), I have a feeling he isn't coming anyway. So I guess this discussion is redundant.
Mik

Hamsik flatters to decieve. Goetze is going to be great and is already proven at a high level with Dortmund. I'd take him above all others.

Pip

Is scoring 11 goals from midfield and being in the top 5 assists in Italian football flattering to deceive?
Mik

Mik

Have you watched the man ? He fades out of games far too often. Keep the lad Goetze in mind even if he doesn't come to Utd, he will be class.
I want the best for Utd as you do I'm sure. Hamsik isn't that.

Pip

05 Aug 2011 20:23:48
Well Gotze has started he season wellso far anyway. Half an hour in and has an assist and a goal. Not a bad start for Dortmund it seems.

Jono

That guy is 19 and absolute class for dortmund, i think that united should put in a 65 million pound bid for kagawa goetze and hummels. If not that then try and sign goetze and kagawa they link up so well together.

MUFC Till I Die

05 Aug 2011 20:15:18
Testimonial pace is too quick for berba

05 Aug 2011 19:08:02
Whoever it was that posted about Marco Fabian last night, that bicycle kick he scored was unreal. Take a bow son.

DB-Red

Hope someone can help.

Fabian and Erick Torres both play for Chivas.

We have been linked with Torres but haven't really seen anything on Fabian.

Do we have some sort of link with Chivas or option on players as part of the Hernandez transfer last year?

Also are we actaully interested in both or either Fabian and Torres?

So if the answer is we are interested in both and have some sort of deal with Chivas can anyone see us buying both in a double deal? Maybe not this year but perhaps January or next summer?

Lastly what sort of price would we expect to pay?

Thanks

Rincewind

Yes mate we have first option on all Chivas players. That is 100% fact.

Sydney!

Torres rumoured around ?¢‚Äö¬¨5m i think, not sure about fabian though mind

=v1=

If what sydney says is true, which it most definitely probably is ha, then i'm a happy guy as they look like a great club for bringing through young south american talent.. haven't seen much of this erik torres but fabian looked a star of the future against barca the other night, his over head kick reminded me straight away of rooney's against city although it went in the opposite corner..

05 Aug 2011 18:30:08
Sad to see Chicharito out of the City game (if SSN is accurate) but wouldn't want to take any chances with him..
I am however now intrigued who Sir Alex will go with up top.
Midfield is also an interesting one.. I think he'll probably go with Valencia as he needs the game time but as for the rest not too sure.. maybe Ando? Cleverly?
Who do you guys reckon?


APC

Nani, park, giggs, anderson, rooney and berba.

I would love to see Ando/cleverly in an AM role with carrick/jones in a DM role. It would also be interesting to see welbeck n rooney up front playing together. On the wing I think we'll see nani and young to start then valencia for young. Imo diego

I wouldnt be surprised to see the same midfield that played against Barca (minus Carrick for Anderson obviously) but then I would expect Young and Nani to get a good run out too.

TK-Red

De gea
fabio rio vidic evra
nani anderson giggs young
rooney owen

i think but maybe seeing cleverley/ macheda/ welbeck at some point.

rincewind

De Gea
Fabio Rio Vidic Evra
Carrick Cleverley
Nani. Anderson. Young
Rooney
The Red Manc

De Gea
Fabio-Rio-Vidic-Evra
Nani-Anderson-Fletch-Ji-Sung
Rooney-Owen

Back four and goalie is pretty straight forward. Nani has to start for me, he has been explosive in pre-season. Ando has a point to prove in this game and Fletcher, who may be injured, not sure?, will offer defensive cover. Park always performs in big games so is a must start for me. Rooney is obvious and Owen should start as he is similar to Hernandez, well use to be, and Welbeck is too raw. Berba isn't up for by the looks for it. Flog him to PSG asap. Rooney, Hernandez, Owen, Welbeck and Macheda is enough for the season.

Wow , you guys will be overrun in that midfield, imagine that against yaya toure, dejong and silva. It's like wolves and lambs.
I'm a city fan but without carrick and fletcher you are toast. Its very sad how you seriously underrate them. We will see how well you do without them on Sunday.
Anderson is like almost every other brazillian, all you will ever see is specks of brilliance, when the going gets tough they disappear. Park and rooney are your only hope in midfield.
Aguero and silva will tear you to shreds so small you will need a micrsoscope to see

I think SAF will pack the midfield using Park, Anderson and Cleverley. Young, Nani and Rooney as a front 3.

Back 5 picks itself.

05 Aug 2011 15:25:40
Ed's..a completely Un-United related question but what on earth is happening with Eden Hazard? I havent seen him linked with any of the big boys for weeks. I wouldve thought he would've been snapped up by now? Or is he simply going to form a part of the knock on effect from one of the Sneijder, Tevez, Fabregas transfers?

TK-Red {Ed007's Note - As far as I know he is happy to stay at Lille.}

Even though his pal with the lovely hair has left him? Speaking of which, does anyone else reckon that Gervinho might not be the same player, were he to lop off his locks? Though he is starting to look like The Baldy Man so I think it might be for the best.

TK-Red

05 Aug 2011 15:08:16
i still believe that nasri wont sign for city.. he has a passion for football so in the same way alexis sanchez didn't want to move to a club thats only got big recently because of a huge money boost and not really having any historic success behind them..

i think he could possibley still sign for us even if we get sneijder, however sneijder will have to be sealed before we even think about going for nasri as he'll be a bonus..

most likely he'll move abroad to either italy or spain? can see maybe a spanish club launching a late bid for around £20 mil? valencia, the yellow subs, atletico?

It's all right City spending all their money on all these players but what's going to happen to their team when the new rule comes in about playing no more than 5 foreign players in your team at a time? All these signings are going to find it hard playing every game and eventually they'll all want to leave.

Nasri has no passion for football, only passion for money (£200K week....)

If we get a top attacking mid WS, or preferably Ganso, Hamsik or Martin, we won't need Nasri. We'll need a ball winning holding mid, a Keane like figure to compliment a Scholes like figure. Plus I just don't think there will be £60m in fees and £350,000 per week in wages available. Nasri has played most of his football out wide. My ideal line-up would be
De Gea - Fabio - Reo - Vidic - Evra - M'vila - Pogba -Nani - Wazza - Ganso/Martin - Chico
Ganso and M'vila would cost about £45M
Martin and M'vila would cost about £35m
Mik

05 Aug 2011 12:25:21
Nasri is going to CITY.

05 Aug 2011 11:41:41
hi guys - strong rumours from here in Madrid that Real are seriously interested in hernadez. I hope not but its strong.
Hulkman {Ed007's Note - Is that Madrid in Liverpool by any chance??}

BUSTED

Well done agent Ed007. But the irony in this story is that Real Madrid & Barcelona actually have one eye on Suarez and there is apparently a clause in Suarez' contract which allows him to talk to foreign clubs (only) if they meet a certain figure. I did think Suarez was mad for joining Liverpool, but it seems his agent had made sure that his client could have a way out if he wanted to leave.

Sydney!

Hernandez will not leave, FACT, he is loyal to the united as they gave him the chance to make it big he has said as much himself, so dont post rubbish :-)

There was a small article in the sun about this months ago. Mourinho told United to name their price for Hernandez but United said he wasn't for sale.

When Hernandez has recovered from his concussion, he will be offered a new 5 year contract to stay with us and a hefty pay rise will be included.

Ha ha ha,...Bloody Liverpool fans,...they will stop this s**t when Hernandez will score hat rick this time at Anfield.

This is from all United fans,...
U Liverpool fans make noise as hard as u can,we are quite,but this is like a silence before the storm.

I can hear,..."Manchester United are Premiership Champions for the record 20th time"....
Cheers L pool Fans

DC_9

Suarez is much more likely to leave anfield than chicharito is to leave united, anyway liverpools pre season has been awful, not surprised if suarez wants to leave in the near future..

I.P. address for the loss Hulkman ,fool

Pardoe

Guys please stop teasing the poor liverpool fan c'mon we atleast help them make themselves happy by agreeing to their crap, Also one must not forget going without a EPL title for so many years may have addled poor Hulkman's brain I sincerely suggest him to see a psychiatrist.
Hope next time he says something, he is in better frame of mind.
RD
P.S
Dont worry it happens, we may after some years see this happening to some gooner fans(hope u enjoy their company)

Come on eds play the game and let me reply? - just giving you all a taste of your own medicine - you stay of ours and we will stay of yours :) {Ed007's Note - What? Who are you?}

Hernandez will not leave United.

Suarez Will not leave Liverpool.

At least not for half a decade. Don't bite so easy United fans =)

RobbehLFC

Haha they bit. saurez is class and he stays whether you can handle it or not :)

Ed7 - i am the one and only Hulkman
a very good source for LFC. bye.......... {Ed007's Note - Well you already lied so I would imagine you are just continuing it.}

I would never lie to my own supporters.
i did something to get you mancs biting. your mancs spend so much time on our sites its shocking - just giving you it back. watching you all bite.
Hulkman. bye....... {Ed007's Note - How did anyone bite? Also I am not a "manc" as you put. Your pathetic attempt to be funny or controversial backfired from the get go. So yes.....please....bye!}

'RobbehLFC'

Suarez will be angling for a move as early as next summer. If you think he will be there in six years you are clearly deluded.

Sydney!

05 Aug 2011 10:39:17
Not saying that this is true just saying what my source has told me. He said that Sneijder is virtually a done deal for £35million and that Tevez will be heading to Inter for £40-50million

MUFC 19

Inter will not part with £45m-£50m my friend, they have offered City £25m for Tevez which was swiftly rejected by City. The likely transaction will include Eto'o as part of the deal.

Sydney!

I think the only way Sneijder will leave.Is if saf breaks the Pay structure ( which will not happen), hence no Sneijder

Ed, do you know if there's any truth in a possible swap of Maicon and a bit of cash for Tevez? Can't see it myself.

Matthew... {Ed002's Note - I think it unlikely.}

He is too old,Morrison and Cleverly can do the job

Sydney! I was just posting what my source said. He actually said £40million but I can't see Tevez being let go for that much myself.

MUFC 19

The sneijder deal is funding most of the 40 mill bid being prepared for tevez not sure but think inter milan have accepted a 30 million pound bid