Manchester United Rumours Archive February 05 2012

05 Feb 2012 22:59:27
I don't care what everyone is saying, I think De Gea was unbelievable today. Mind you, he has been unbelievable all season. A 20m goalkeeper who can't save goals - unbelievable!

cozinoz

As opposed to £35million for a striker that can't score goals?

TK-Red

Nobody can save 'goals' !

G.A.G.U.S

Cozinoz just scored an own goal with that comment.... :-)
HERBIE

You must be an idiot. I doubt if you were watching the match. How do you save own goals like those. Mata's goal was well taken, wasn't it? The boy saved us three clear goals for Chelsea. You have to admit we played badly in the first half and luck was not on our side as well. Two clear penalties waved away. If anything the Referee was unbelievable.

Cozitool, Reaine wouldn't have saved any of the goals utd conceded today so turn it in will you and put them sour grapes down they won't do you any good

Thought the save from De Gea near the end was the best I've seen since Schmeichel!

De Gea saved some goal bound SHOTS that only a handful of keepers in the world would have saved. The one from Mata (I think?) was unbelievable if you haven't watched the kid for the past few years. He made those saves on a regular occurance at AM and he has done it on a few occasions since his move.

Even if he was purchased at 25m I would still stand up and say he is worth every penny because if he was to be sold now we would be looking at a record few for a GK. Only Hart, Casillas, Cesar and maybe Scyh . . . .Snench . . . .Sckenh . . . . that polish guy could command a fee that high in my opinion.

Paso

Like SAF said after the game he's young, still learning the English game/language and will make mistakes. If he reaches his full potential he will be one of the best one day mark my word's. He was brilliant yesterday against Chelsea. The save from that Free-kick was world class! I must also say it doesn't help having different back four combination's in front of him all the time, if he had Vidic and Ferdinand/Evans in front of him he'd be alot calmer in dealing with crosses. He must of had 13-14 different back four combination's in front of him this season from memory.

United Till I Die 1987

De Gea's save was world class but he needs to work on his technique. He tends to lead with his wrong arm. By that I mean that if he dives to the left he reaches over with his right and vice versa. It may be effective for him at the minute but it means his body positioning is all wrong for any potential rebounds etc.

TK-Red

05 Feb 2012 20:50:11
i'm telling you now, I don't think any other keeper in the prem would have saved that free kick

People are getting carried away again.
Its these kind of expectations that put De gea under pressure in the first place.
If he makes a couple of fantastic saves, he is world-class. If he makes a couple of mistakes, he is unless.
Peolpe should just lay off him and let him do his job!

Millz

The Op wasn; talking about expectation, he was stating fact. That save was just unbelievable. the free kick itself was perfect and De Gea had no right to get there. The fact that he did gives United fans a better glimpse of exactly what we have; a raw talent which, with maturity, will become one of, if not the best goalkeeper in the world!

It was a fantastic save, the best he's made in his United career (so far!)

United Till I Die 1987 {Ed002's Note - He should have caught it though.}

05 Feb 2012 20:19:01
Can't believe how negative some "fans" are, great comeback today, the lads battled from 3-0 down giggs young evra included, people asking why giggs is still on there's some stat doing the rounds that giggs has assisted more goals than any other player with the exception of David silva and Valencia, not bad for a has been, he's still playing to a high standard and his experience is invaluable

Yeah, Giggs has great moments, but overall and about 95% of the time, he's awful and a massive liability.

Percy

Team played a blinder rooney got man of the match but webb deserved it. what a joke. Shrek did nothing today only for webb utd wouldn't have got those 2 penalties and sir blue nose was looking for 4 today. He seems to get all utd big games. Looks like the fa are in fergies pocket. Webb back to his best looks like a new signing for utd

Cannot agree with this post more. Unfortunately 'Glory fans' can't understand how well we're doing for a team that's been plagued by injuries, lost it's best player (Vidic) for a year and had an inconsistent Rooney of late. We are in a great position considering all the above. We should have beaten Chelsea yesterday we we're in large parts of the game so much better than them. Had we not lost to Blackburn (very poor performance) we'd be top of the league by 1 point.

United Till I Die 1987

Giggy's assists have mainly come from a wide left position. First half and begging of second he was poor in CM-giving the ball away with overly extravagant passes.
Once moved wide left with scholes in CM everything looked more balanced, but lack of pace these days makes of difficult to play him there from the start. For me he's more of an impact sub now.

Can't wait for Clevs & Ando to resume early season form, with support from Carrick and Pogba... Bring in (and trust in) the new guard!

05 Feb 2012 19:58:14
De Gea has been slated enough times so how about some praise for the lad. A superb save at the end there from the free kick which was an important one.

Room for improvement yes but credit where its due, people should get off his back..

TM

Well said mate! He is a working progress and has made his mistakes but amazing save today

Matt89

I've come on here and given de gea stick!iv said he wasn't good enough.ive even said dat we shud put him out on loan.He was brilliant today.he made not just one but three top saves today.one in the first half and two in the second.dont forget the save from Cahill's effort,that was dipping in.and de gea managed to tip it over.i still feel he has a lot to learn.i think he should be more dominant in crosses he seams to be very nervous when crosses come in.that said this game should do the boy a world of good...

super Red

People should definately get off his back and support the lad. FFS he's a United player, we do 'Support' United right!!

United Till I Die 1987

05 Feb 2012 19:48:10
Giggs is an utter joke when played through the middle. Why does he find it impossible to pass it to someone who's open? Not bad on the wing, but lacks the pace he used to have.

Percy

For me its not even about the pace, scholes is just playing better.. I wouldn't go as far as saying Giggs is playing bad, but he is looking pedestrian at times.

TM

Bad is exactly how he'splaying, his decision making is poor, his execution is poor, his tackling is poor. He's a shadow of his former self, unlike Scholes who has been simply incredible.

Percy

Giggs is a joke is he? Right back at ya, pal.
Show some flippin' respect!

7 assists this season and he's won us vital points. He's been doing that for a very long time and he's still giving.
What more do you want?

Pritpal

Ask Hernandez if he thinks Giggs' cross for the equaliser was an utter joke? Giggs is a United legend with nothing to prove. You're a joke if you think that about Giggs. Ryan.

To an extent I agree with Percy, Giggs has been a liability for the majority of the time he is on the pitch. I have been extremely frustrated with him especially in the last 2 games. He is outwide on the left where we all know, Chica included, how good his delivery can be once he beats the man. He does however keep trying to cut back in onto his right. Rewatch the Pool game and see he did it all the time he was out wide. When he went wide yesterday and did it on the first instance he could attack Ivanovic I was thinking 'here we go again'.

But Giggs being Giggs eventually found the space to put in one of the best crosses you will see all season and we make it 3-3.

Mixed emotions is all I can say about the lad for his form this season.

Paso

Giggs is an utter joke? What football do you watch? What other player's have we got that can do what Giggsy does?

United Till I Die 1987

I said when played through the middle. He isn't and never will be a CM, on the wing he's not bad, but has lost his legs so is struggling. What more do I want? For him to step down and allow SAF to give Pogba some playing time instead.

Percy

05 Feb 2012 17:51:00
again 3 subs and giggs still on ye he asisted hernandez but the man is 38 cmon fergie keep welbeck on who has legs instead of giggs really cn't understand some decisions that make us lose games

So do you still think giggs should've gone off? nice assist for hernadez's goal that gave us a point..giggs and scholes have experience in these big games

Welbeck as good as he is, gives in to easy at times. Giggs is a machine, if he gets tired he alters his game and is still impactful. with young off we had a 4,3,3 or a 4.3.1.2. And rooney being a machine and just going on, welbeck off for park who is also a work horse and get's us back to our most effective 4,4,2 or a 4,4,1,1. Which to me is better because chicharito & Rooney partnership is amazing.

I said giggs assited hernandez goal but if scholes had started we wudnt of been losin 3 nil we wud atleast hav scrd 1 or 2 in the 1st half , ppl r sayin what a comeback and it is but it was 2 points lost chelsea were terrible yet we let them score 3

Chica needs service and who better than giggs. welbeck would want to cut inside most times to get on his right foot.

rddu

Seeing as Giggsy assisted the qualising goal it's a tad harsh to say leaving him on was a decision to "make us lose games".
Surely he assisted in the winning of a vital point?
Not his best day on the whole but you can't question his ability in big moments.

05 Feb 2012 17:30:40
thank god for penalties
jred

05 Feb 2012 17:15:16
Still not want Ronaldo back? He can take Young's place on this team every day of the year. And for god sake bring Scholes on, Giggs has hardly strung a pass together.

RedDevil19

05 Feb 2012 17:13:16
And then Evra gives away the free-kick that leads to the 3rd goal. RedDevil19, are you still going to defend him and say he is the bees knees?

Sydney!

Sydney he may not be the greatest defender but he does give us so much going forward, its all a balancing act and still he did well in an attacking sense

We play with attacking full backs so you'll never get everything

Pardoe

I think this negativity off our own fans about Evra is ridiculous, one of the best left backs around, great player. He makes mistakes like everyone else but he is pure class, Johnny Evans on the otherhand......
SC

Then lets get Bale in lol Or why dont we play a left winger at LB? It sounds like a silly thing to say but if we are going to have someone at LB that cant defend then we may aswell make it someone that it world class going forward.

TK-Red

05 Feb 2012 17:03:05
Been some pathetic posts from "supporters" today, its only half time and people are savaging the majority of our players. Support the team.

JWalk

Ashley young was some waste of money.
kopfiend 1978 ynwa

05 Feb 2012 16:49:46
How are we 1.0 down? Chelsea are awful. Again we are by far the best team, but again losing. Come on Webb sort it out, come on Evra at least try and defend.

Sydney!

Syd seen it too many times this season, we've been the better team and ended up a goal down, City prime example.

Hey syd,its useless to expect it from evra now a days( YEAR)..if u want to then request SAF to find a proper replacment for him in summer.. till then god saves us.
rodio17

05 Feb 2012 16:41:08
Easily the best we have played for a long long time and were bloody losing!

UNITED_LEGENDS

I don't think that we are playing particularly well, we should of had a peno but we haven't controlled the ball nearly well enough.

I wish Scholes had started rather than Giggs - he gives it away all too regularly.

RedDevil19

I think we'll lose again. There've been so many games at stanford bridge where decisions haven't gone our way. remember the terry goal?
Remember when Luiz should have red carded last year ?
It always happens at the bridge.

Scholes on for Giggs at Half-time, if we wanna win. I mean bringing him for last 20 mins would be stupid. I'd risk him even if he's injured or tired. Pogba coming up later maybe. Pogba looks very menacing on the ball.

05 Feb 2012 09:18:07
Ok lads, I know this will get posted a few times today and I try not to get to caught up in crazy stories but Cristiano has apparently said he wants to return to England and he misses Old Trafford and particular SAF who he see's as a father figure! Now I know this could be a story created from nothing but I then I start thinking to myself, this isn't the first time this story has come about and despite a lot of rubbish in the papers, surely there's no smoke without fire? What's your thoughts lads? If he returned to England, surely there is only one destination and surely despite our finances we'd find the cash?
Maybe like the rest of England the snow is affecting me!
Try not to slate me and just respond with genuine thoughts, we can all dream can't we?

Ports

I'd love to see this happens, but
1- can we really afford him
2- Sir Alex has got 2 or 3 seasons left i reckon {hope a lot more though)
PLEASE PLEASE make this on be true.
read this every day keep up the good work Ed's and syd and all the other regular posters thanks.

A couple of years ago I had the pleasure of Sir Bobby Charlton's company over lunch at a charity bash. We discussed Ronnie and in his words ' i'm sure we'll see the boy again'.
Read into that what you will. Watch this space........

Ports I think it is really possible would really love it too happen but I think if it was to happen Rooney would be going the other way I think the money just is not there

If we believe SAF and we should he has not spent the money we got for Cristiano
could it be the lack of movement in buying anyone and releasing squad players off the wage bill could be his way of ensuring we can afford his package
lets hope it casn happen
ARB

If it does happen pal I'll be first in line to slate the people who said it wouldn't happen just so the know it alls can be on the same end they put us on in the past I for one think we should spend on a big player who puts fear in the opposition an cr7 does that wit our talented youth I ask who could be a better role model so dream all you want mate I'm a dreamer too

Young Irish

According to a certain website United have a net spend in the transfer market of around 60 million pound in the last 5 seasons.
Should the Glazers be true to their word of 20 million net available per season for transfers (plus extra for exceptional players) we should be having around 40 million left plus the 20 million for the upcoming season.
Guess SAF spent some of the Ronaldo money, but no where near all of it.

This means the transfer should be feasible in a perfect world, but I guess we haven't been there for a couple of years ;-)

Let's hope for the best, don't want to see him exchanged for Rooney though

Jonny8

There is no chance Rooney would want to leave if Ronaldo was returning to OT. Personally I cannot see it happening, City will be all over it like a rash and I think they will trump us by some margin. If he was available for say.... £50m, then that is £10m a season over five seasons. Not £50m gone in one season. If he was signed then Nani IMO would be the one to leave. He would raise at least £25m, but probably £30m. I am not going to jump on the bandwagon because I think it's a long-shot at best, but if he was coming home then the Glazers would want this squad trimmed of all deadwood and to fund the deal.

Sydney!

I think we are all realistic with the situation and we all put 2 and 2 together and make 5 but sometimes you have to not be so sceptical and think, why haven't we spent the Ronaldo money? Why did SAF give Owen the 7 shirt as he was never a long term signing? What if the glazers sell the club in the next 6 months? What if this flotation thing which I don't understand allows us to splash the cash? Why is SAF getting rid of the deadwood?
Like I say, it may just be a dream it but what if?

Ports

Regardless of whether its likely, true or whatever, I would LOVE this to happen.

TK-Red

Im sorry syd but i really doubt he'll go to City! After being at Madrid not really winning anything apart from scoring records he'll want to join a club that's always expected to challenge for top honors. Besides he adores SAF, has a lot of friends at united and his best memories of his career were at this club with a lot of the people/players that are still around.

It's looking more likely now, given the fact we all know Ron is stubborn and arrogant.. life at madrid isn't what he thought it'd would be but anyway lets see because i still think SAF wouldn't be highly keen on bringing a former player back who will still play a massive role rather than just part time.

Ozwald

Just thinking lads, am I being sceptical by asking myself all those questions? What a helmet! Apologise, to much time in the cold building a snowman this morning I think!

Ports

'Oz'

He would still have friends at United if he joined City, SAF would never turn his back on him if he joined City either. He would probably live in the same street as half of the United team in Cheshire. Ronaldo cannot be picky if he wants out of RM. If he said he would only join United (which he hasn't said) then he could end up stuck in Madrid if United didn't come in for him.

Sydney!

It would be pretty naive to think that Ronaldo would not join city. The only club he said he'll never join is barca. He is probably open to joining any club that will pay him obscene wages and has a decent chance at silverware. Plus,You must be dreaming if you think he'll take a pay cut to join us. Its also highly unlikely that United will agree to pay him 300k a week.
From the glazers perspective, it would never make economic sense for them to buy him back, especially not now while they are trying to maximize United's financial value. Plus, if does join, he'll completely DESTROY our wage structure and the other player's wages may need to be re-based.
Furthermore, what evidence is there to suggest he wants to leave madrid? Did he personally tell you that?
I would be over the moon to see him back at United, but am not going to hold my breath.

Millz

'Millz'

This is a transfer speculation site, what player have you heard that has said they want to come to us? NO ONE. So we can all have our opinions and dreams. If you take that attitude then every single post on here is worth nothing, you might as well close the forum down because it is essentially a place for United fans to discuss things.

I don't think it would mess up our wage structure, if you think paying him would mess it up then did paying Rooney what he is on 'mess up' the wage structure? NO. Ronaldo is the best in the world and paying 300k p/w for him is a small price to pay for the amount of silverware he would help bring us. He can also pass on his valuable expertise to the younger lads.

And sydney, i don't think he'd go to City i really don't.

RedDevil19

I think some people may underestimate Ronaldo's attitude! He's said himself he wanted to play for Real Madrid and also be the best player in the world. He has achieved both them now but the one I think he craves, he achieved with us, becoming the best player in the world! Now if he came he'd be on par with Rooney's pay so 200k so when your on that much plus the sponsors he'd get with Nike that should satisfy him with the knowledge of beginning trophies and with that becoming the best player in the world again because you get that status through winning cups. U've read alot of autobiographies of ex united players and they all say the united bubble is so different and makes you realise how good united is after they have moved to other clubs! I think Ronaldo is realising that!

So the question now is, would people be happy with just Ronaldo in the summer or 2, 3 maybe 4 new players? I'd take our squad now with Ronaldo!

Ports

He has said in the past that the only part of manchester for him is the red bit

SteUTD

Brilliant post 'Ports'. Very well put, i think for someone like Ronaldo, trophies is more than money. He has all the money in the world - he doesn't have all the trophies in the world. I firmly believe that with this squad we have, he would win a heck of alot.

Without injuries i think we would be bossing this title race, the likes of Cleverly, Valencia, Rooney etc are huge players for us who fill places that we don't need to spend to fill. Going forward we are very strong - Ronaldo is one of the few players who would add a heck of alot to us going forward.

RedDevil19

I think because its Ronaldo alot of people think he will go where the money is. Personally, I believe those people are underestimating his love for the club. That statement could come back to bite me on the arse but I genuinely think its true.

TK-Red

I agree with TK-Red, it will be the desire for trophies and love for the club that brings him back. I think he'd play for whatever we could give him i really do.

People are doing him a discredit if they think otherwise.

RedDevil19

Do we really think that RM and Ronaldo would settle for £50 million and £200k per week respectively when Sh*tty would pull out all the stops and probably offer £100+ million ans £300+k per week. Money talks, loyalty doesn't.
Mike B.

Well if Ronaldo rejected City the move would fall apart and they'd be left with United as the only option (as they are the only club he will join) to sell to. Money does talk but if Ronaldo wants to leave Madrid and judging by whats going on now at Madrid(Rift between Spanish and Portuegese Contingent) He does, Then Madrid will want to get rid of him, Or they'd have to get rid of Casillas, Ramos, Alonso, and i doubt Madrid will part all these to satisfy Ronaldo. Id love for ir to happen and i think it will in the summer of 2012.