Manchester United Rumours Archive June 05 2012

05 Jun 2012 21:22:23
I would have thought that SAF would have had his list of targets down on paper now and left David Gill to get them. I wouldn't think that there willbe new targets or knee jerk reactions to not getting players. If this is true I would imagine that United had already sounded out players and clubs already. Logic would also say that we would try and get our players early before the euros and potential further price hikes- so why only one player nearly signed?
Do we need outs before ins?
Or are we not spending again?
Not worried yet but I wouldn't be strung along by players who say they will wait til after the euros on their future - they are obviously just hoping for more money! (RVP et al)
Eds - is it likely that we will sign anyone else before the euros start? {Ed004's Note - Well we can't sign anyone unless they are playing in the English leagues, so I doubt it...}

I tend to believe that players who haven't been on holiday yet are entirely focussed on the upcoming Euro's without having to deal with agents, meeting clubs etc. The transfer window doesn't open for overseas players until July 1st.

JJR

Wou8ld have thought some countries had banned agents from training camps unless its essential. Haven't the spainish banned twitter?

I wouldn't worry yet chap its only June 5th an we already have the 1st one almost done. As the ed says we can only sign domestics at the moment and they're all on holiday, at the euro's or in hospital.

It'll kick off properly soon, i bet the long bank holiday hasn't helped much.

Who is to say they don't have a list of targets and they are not trying? just because it hasn't hit the papers?

things only hit the papers when the club, or the agency, or any group in command of the situation WANTS it to hit the papers.

Do you think this is some fantasy manager operation? of course they have targets and they are moving on them. these people are professionals, and these organizations have short term and long term plans, in any sport, reaching as many as 100 or more years down the road. Every organization in and out of sports with anything behind it has a series of well laid out and studied plans.

come on guys, don't throw the old "they don't have a plan" nonsense out there, lets be realistic here.

You have to think if you spend a decent amount on a player and at the euros he gets a serious injury, it would be a waste if they miss the first few months of a season.

05 Jun 2012 21:10:36
Just to let people know, believe me or not, i played golf with fletcher a few weeks back in Altrincham and yes he has lost a lot of weight, but the guy was full of hope and told me he will be 100% back next season. I hope so darren, i really do

As much as I hope Darren makes a full recovery I would also hope that Utd have moved on and that we are looking for a different type of mid fielder. Even at his very best fighting weight Darren never looked like he could compete physically against some of the more robust mid fields that he would come up against in the prem league now. I think I've been as diplomatic as I could there.
J - Stand

Lets hope he is back as he was before in a footballing sense

Pardoe

J- Stand
I dont think i agree with you there, the guy does everything carrick does but better, he's the only good grafter we have left. Time will tell if he can compete to the standard he has shown in the past

He would not play at this course. It's not a private golf course. Its also a s**t hole!
This is a total bag of lies. I would for fletch to be back nxt year but I wouldn't make up a load of bs about playing golf with him.

Joe.a

Joe. a
The course is terrible, why do you think i was there?
Im sure you know fletcher so well to say he wouldnt play there, why the hell would i make this up, dont be so ridiculous. He was there because Dunham was full. Why would he have to go to a private golf course anyway, surely he can play where he wants. Money doesnt change some people.

H you tell him pal

andyred

It's not the money pal, it's the fact that, that course is munisiple. He would get way too much hassle from the public going there.No private golf course in the country would turn Darren fletcher away. That's why football players go and play golf at private golf courses. He wouldnot go to a munisiple golf course because he wouldnt be able to take a shot in peace. Just stating a fact.

Whatever mate, i was just lucky enough to play and talk with the guy

Hey guys ive played alty golf course a few times over the years and ive seen fletch, giggsy, sheasy, ex pros such as irwin and some cricketers ala freddie and wasim akram playing alty. It might be a municiple and it might be a bit of a dump but there may be some truth to this

Got to agree with Joe A. No way would he play golf at Altrincham in a million years. Worst course ever. Bit fishy that with Dunham and Mere within 5 miles of it! What next, Rooney shopping in Poundstretcher?

05 Jun 2012 19:28:46
i have also heard (from my friends in france) that the word is mvila to arsenal held up by utd interest. Mvila is the best prospect in europe in that position, i watch a lot of ligue 1 and its the closest thing to the prem in terms of physicality, the only real difference between the leagues is the majority of epl teams look for the killer ball very early(which is why the prem is fast and end to end) as opposed to french teams who will keep the ball for slightly longer and are reluctant to waste possession.
as with hazard, most top clubs will have considered mvila. trust me he is a real talent, exactly what we need: all of carrick's qualities with added athleticism.

Also, according to andy brassell and a dutch pundit(i forget the name as i listen to a lot of pods) strootman is not ready for the step up and seems to be overrated amongst fans outside of holland due to all the transfer speculation

Brendan

Never really thought Ligue 1 is close to PL in terms of physicality. The Bundesliga probably is..

Ozwald

Surely it's the fans i Holland that count, are they not the ones that will actually watch him when he's playing?

My point exactly, in holland he's not considered utd material
brendan

@ozwald

athleticism is probably a better term than physicality. refs in france give far more fouls. ligue 1 players are generally very fit and strong which is why they adapt so well to the prem

I also have heard the same story from my sources about m'villa. Interesting. Hope its true

fearny

Heard that Fergie is a big admirer or Lee Catermole. I for one would love to see him at OT. He can drop deep to help out and also likes to have a punt from distance. Give him two years and he'd be the new Paul Ince.

Strootman not ready for the step up but ready to play for the dutch national side in the euros, if he can get in that side he could get in our side !!!

sparkyred

I for 1 would like to see either of M'villa or Strootman, (preferably the latter). Never really thought of Cattermole before. But agree he is good and suits our requirements, not so good at 'Quarterback' style passing as Carrick tho...

M'Vila is a massive United fan. Cantina was his hero ;-). If we want we will get. Why can't all transfers be like this.

Would love this to be true. I'd prefer Martinez if I'm honest - but signing one of these two players is essential. M'Villa and Kagawa would make our midfield dominant again! We've needed a decent CDM for some time now. Strootman doesn't look anywhere near ready to play for us btw - so if we don't sign M'Villa I'm assuming we wont sign anyone (for that spot). I'm wondering if anybody on here has actually watched him play or whether they're just talking about him because they saw his name linked with us in the paper?
T0MB0Z
T0MB0Z

05 Jun 2012 18:42:07
was trying to dig some more information about transfer targets..
logic i have been given by a good positioned person( not necessarily be true) is SAF was not considering M'vila till Feb of this year despite scout have filed good report.. as he was thinking that Pogba wil sign a new deal and he was seeing both as similar kind of player. so y to buy similar player if u already have one? but now when condition has changed( sad), SAF is planning for 15m bid for rennes midfielder rising to around 20m in performance. it has been conved to his agent and thats why his almost certain move to arsenal is on hold. he also stated that no money will be able to move javi martinez from spain. asamoh is another target if we fail in it.( not saying he wil join)
so in short rumour is yaan m'villa is target.. asamoh is 2nd best option. martinez wil not leave spain.
lets see what comes true
rodio17

Kagawa, Modric and M'Villa....treble winning team imo..... {Ed004's Note - Without a doubt. Throw in a full back like Willems or Izaguirre who won't cost an arm and a leg and we have an amazing team for next year}

I never thought of it like that. Its a possibility just add modric to the mix and weve got a recipe for success

So with the introduction of Kagawa and possibly another midfielder what happens to Carrick and Fletcher? Is SAF going to just throw them aside...I highly doubt it. Likewise if the plan is to shape Kagawa to play in the front two just off Rooney, what happens to Hernandez and Welbeck?

That would be madly talented midfield. I've always thought Yann M'Vila is a beast, never really thought he'd be a serious target of ours but with the signing of Kagawa surely you want to compensate incredibly advanced attacking midfielder with a machine of a defensive midfielder? He's good at going forward tbf, is the french version of Javi Martinez.

Ozwad

I really hope we get M'Villa, he is exactly what we need and has all the qualities of an all round midfielder. He's an absolute beast in the midfield and has great potential for the future. If he comes to United, under the guidance of Fergie he will become a top class midfielder.

The intro of Kagawa gives us 4 quality forwards like Fergie always likes to have.

Fletcher may never recover given the seriousness of his condition. There are plenty of games for Carrick/Fletcher to be ivolved in anyway. We would be able to rest players, which is how it should be

But i still think we need to sign a left footed left wing e.g. gaitan or rodriguez if we sign a left footed left wing, kawaga and m'villa then we will definitely win the title and possibly the cl

Carrick and Fletcher would not be 'thrown aside'. 1stly fletcher is a doubt for next year and Carrick would be rotated with either M'villa or Modric. Love the sound of that midfield it would give us so many options.

The italian press: asamoah to juve with isla. nothing confirm by both club yet.

M'villa will be ideal but imo arsenal likely to get him!

Why not get young Tunncliffe first team spot?

JLBER84

I too think that Tunnicliffe will be our DM in the not too distant future. He may not be fashionable amongst the posters on here because he has not got a foriegn name, won't cost £30m and be in the papers for days on end but I do rate him that highly. Not the finished product yet by any means but boy he can tackle!

J - Stand

Don't get me wrong i'd love to see Tunnicliffe in the first team but he'll spend another season in the reserves i reckon, might get a few first team appearances but you gotta think if he wasn't giving much game time to Pogba? Paul Pogba was a more complete/ready youth to put in the first team so i doubt SAF thinks Ryan is ready yet. Also take note that we're hoping to play more fast flowing football and Carrick is getting old wont provide much pace, and Scholes is only here for one more season. The futures of both Anderson and Fletcher aren't sure yet. We don't have many players in that position that can perform, or will be around to perform at the highlest level for much longer.

Ozwald

Good post, sounds believable and I hope it's true

Oh dear...I'm now sold on a midfield 3 of M'Villa/Modric/Kagawa and won't be happy unless it comes true! Promised my self I wouldn't get too caught up in it this year and end up dissapointed but that midfield could take us straight back to the top! mmmmmmm

Tunnicliffe - would be ideal for him to develop and learn from M'Villa but he won't be ready to play regular for another year or two IMO anyway

Carrick - would have plenty of game time through rotation and injuries etc. It would he SO exciting to have good players on the bench again too! As any top team should

Gav

When you consider the midfield the rent boys are putting together, were gonna need it
Paulo

05 Jun 2012 17:03:44
Manchester United are looking at Alan Dzagoev, he is a young Russian forward who is 21 and has great potential. Do any of you think he would be a decent player for us?

I think Madrid have been linked in the past. Lots of potential. We'll see how it gets on in the Euros.
Doubt United will be looking at him, especially after signing Kagawa. But a big move might be coming soon for the kid.

M.D.

Only player from CSKA Moscow i'd like to see at United is Keisuke Honda ;)

Ozwald

If we are looking at him then i am excited by Fergie's sudden interest in little skillfull players like kagawa and dzagoev he is a great talent imo and plays behind the striker so if bought in that would help rotate i am really happy with our rumoured targets this year

Dzagoev would be perfect for united plays off the front and down the left so you could easily go with

nani kagawa dzagoev

rooney
with all four rotating and trying to score and create. with valencia and young to come in cjwales82

What is the point in signing this russian dude when no one has ever heard of him and if man united are going to be better than man city they will need to sign much better players than that russian person

Not much point with Kagawa and Powell, although i agree with the other chap and wouldn't say no to him or especially honda

To the person saying no 1 has heard of him
it seems everyone apart from u have
jsut because u dont have as far reaching knowledge of foreign players dont make them bad

Powell is not a premiership player and may never be I'd rather promote youth team than buy lower league players

Dustbin

"What is the point in signing this russian dude when no one has ever heard of him and if man united are going to be better than man city they will need to sign much better players than that russian person"

So he's not good enough because you have never heard of him and because City haven't bid for him? Get a life, I bet Vidic, Smalling and Hernandez weren't good enough either then!

I've never seen Dzagoev play but only heard good things about him, so I'm very much looking forward to see him at the Euro's

Gav

Sounds like a good plan! Never sign anyone you've never heard of, no name! Where would united be with a transfer policy like that............
Karlmarx

Dustbin so what was Smalling then? non-league to Fulham, kinda shoots down your idea eh? How about give the lad a chance not like he's going to break the bank.

If he does well at the Euros, who knows we may bid for him...

He played and scored against utd if im not msitaken

He scored in the Champions League against United in 2009.

We signed smalling from a premier league team, what's your point again?

Dustbin

Been watching this guy play since he first went to Moscow in 2008. Massive talent - but seems unlikely given that we're about to sign Kagawa.
T0MB0Z

05 Jun 2012 14:45:26
Happy we signed Kagawa, hope we dont sign modric, he was choosing chelsea over us last year and i wouldnt spend 10m on him let alone 30m..maybe sign up another midfielder and striker..KJ Huntelaar would b a good striker to sign..and berbatov shown the door

So if Harry said you can have Modric for £10m, you'd say no? You'd make a terrible manager fair play

Not sure about Huntelaar but we could certainly do with some added experience up top. Not sure that will happen though

Gav

Agree to a certain extent. Modric would not be worthy of 30m. A new CM is a must. Berbatov for his own sake should leave, but we have plenty of striking options, with Rooney, Welbeck, Chicha, Kagawa and even Young being able to play as ST/SS.

TRJC

So we are possibly playing one up fron next season with a choice between Rooney, Wellbeck and Hernandez three players for one position.
In central midfield we have only on emore season in all lightlyhood of Scholes and Giggs, Fletcher who may or may not play again, Carrick and two talented youn gplayers in Cleverly and Anderson who have spent more time the last two years on the treatment table than the pitch yet you would rather have Huntelaar than Modric if they were both 10m intersting logic?
Invisible STuey

I'd like to see dembele or cabaye sign to improve the midfield and a left back

Yess dembele tiote or strootman would be good

Not tiote his passing is shocking

Fergie's making a ridiculous mistake if he lets Berb go. Would have won the league if he'd been in. In fact, Fergie should give consideration to his own position !

05 Jun 2012 12:15:51
Ed, is there any news on Jordi Alba and Luka Modric? {Ed002's Note - No.}

I have some news, barcelona arent willing to pay 12m for him but man utd are so that puts man utd in pole position

So have negotiations started between Valencia and Manchester United?

£12 million for Modric would be great. O you meant Alba, o well that would suck. Seriously he wouldn't last 5 minutes in England its too physical for him.

Alba going/gone to Barcelona

05 Jun 2012 13:23:57
united looking at yohan cabaye from newcastle

This would be a very good signing for MU, for me he was the best young central midfielder last season, the only problem I would have is it would hurt the development of cleverly who plays in a simular way.

Although I agree with the last post cleverly has been around for some time now and still not established himself into the united team, yes I know he has been unlucky with injurys but if he was good enough he would of shown it by now. I think cabayewould be a great addition he was superb for Newcastle last season, a propper central midfielder.
CM

I think the one thing Cabaye has that Cleverley lacks is a good long range passing ability.

Ozwald

I'd be really happy to get Cabaye and Tiote for 40 million. Cleverly will never be better than average EPL player. He isn't in the Scholes, Keane, Robson etc league. Cabaye is worth at least 2 -3 times what Cleverley's worth. I have more hope for Petrucci than Cleverly. You must take into account he'll be 24 this year, no kid now
Mik

Cleverly is a good player, that is a bit harsh Mik though personally I agree he appears over rated by the club. But would you really want Cabaye and Tiote for £40m? I think in ANderson, Fletcher and Cleverly we have all those two can do and better anyway permitting injury/illness. Tiote in particular is a very hard worker that gets stuck in but is there much more to his game? Surely there are better options available? These links like Baines worry me as it looks more like Liverpool signings, targeting average premiership players, hope they arent true
Invisible stuey

Now that would be a great signing.

05 Jun 2012 12:18:14
Bebe has send he is going out on loan again this year , SAF must see something in him for him not to be sold as many if not all of us would have thought he would have been.

It will be a loan with an option to buy, just like his Besiktas loan.

Sydney!

Or maybe noone wants him ??
SmilingRed7

He has to give him a chance... He had a horrible time at Besiktas with his injury and he deserves atleast 1 season on loan to prove himself

fearny

We would get hardly anything for him...

it would make more sense to send him on loan and pray he makes some sort of impact.... and then make a decision on him........

Agree with Syd our best option to get someone to pay his wages for next season then have an option to buy him if he performs well enough

Gav

All smells very fishy to me saf never saw him play and he wasnt wot u wud call a very cheap gamble and all the police investigatons

Bebe is so bad nobody would want him . Only winger we have had as bad as him was Obertan . I remember seeing both in same game and thinking I paid money to see this .

05 Jun 2012 12:05:07
Robert lewandowski is in a bidding war with 6 top euro teams boirrouisa say he is valued at 37million man utd city real ac milan juventus and athletico madrid are all intresested kagawa to sign if he passes medical and gets permit expect 3 more players to sign before start of season hopefully modric a new gk and a cb that could partner vidic {Ed004's Note - Why a new GK? Is De Gea and Lindengaard not enough?}

Well this is all rubbish... £37 million with one year left on his contract dont make me laugh

You want a cb and a gk...... ??

my head hurts trying to think why??

CB and GK arguably our 2 strongest positions...wtf...give me a CM and LB any day of the week!

Lewandowski would be a good buy at around £20m but not much more IMO

Gav

Why would we sign Lewandowski? He's a good player but there has been arguments between him and Kagawa, why would we bring that to OT. Also where have you got 37million from? And no we won't buy 3 more players, maybe Powell and another centre midfielder but that will not be modric as he's too old to pay the amount Spurs would want.

Personally I would love to see Lewnadowski at Old Trafford. You say he argues with Kagawa, but they know each other games. With Owen and Berbatov leaving I think he'll be an excellent signing, but not at £37 million.

I just wonder.....what if Danny Welbeck comes back from the Euro's as leading scorer, or at least up there with them....how many people would want Lewandowski then. Don't get me wrong, I would be happy if we signed him, but I just can't help thinking that as far as a strike force is concerned the answer may lie within. ( Although it's a pity about Will Keane's knee injury ).

J - Stand

05 Jun 2012 10:42:45
Kagawa confirmed - now let's get busy and sew up deals for the others we need

05 Jun 2012 10:41:03
Kagawa deal done according to United website

05 Jun 2012 10:28:04
OFFICIAL:
Reds agree Kagawa transfer

Manchester United is delighted to announce that it has agreed terms with both Borussia Dortmund and Shinji Kagawa for his transfer to the Club.

The deal is subject only to the player medical and obtaining a UK work permit. These conditions are anticipated to be completed by the end of June.

Further details will be announced in due course.


RamoN 19

05 Jun 2012 09:34:29
Sorry for the copy and paste but its from manutd.com. Reds agree Kagawa transfer

Manchester United is delighted to announce that it has agreed terms with both Borussia Dortmund and Shinji Kagawa for his transfer to the Club.

The deal is subject only to the player medical and obtaining a UK work permit. These conditions are anticipated to be completed by the end of June.

Further details will be announced in due course.

05 Jun 2012 09:06:53
Just on 5 live, kagawa deal is done.