Manchester United Rumours Archive July 06 2012

 

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06 Jul 2012 18:37:42
Luka Modrić has reportedly agreed personal terms ahead of a proposed move to Real Madrid from Tottenham Hotspur, with the Croatia international said to be set to sign a four-year deal at the Bernabéu if the La Liga champions can agree a fee.
jred

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02 Jul 2012 20:22:34
Hi ed007,

All this talk of Baines is depressing me - he may be considered by some as the "second best left back in the epl" but if that is the case, he is the second best by an awful long way.

So my question - do you think that we can get / or should be going after / still have an interest in the Celtic chap - Izaguirre? seems a lot better than Baines to me.

Also what has happened to your interest in the ginger princeling of Wigan?

Thanks mate :)

Mike {Ed007's Note - Utd had registered their interest and planned on watching Izaguirre all season, he broke his leg in August but came back at the end of the season and looked fit/sharp enough but IMO the injury might put a dampener on any deal until at least January, whether it is to Utd or elsewhere. James McCarthy's father is very ill, that is why he missed the Euros, I don't want to go on about him as I know that some of his family read through the sites. I still think he would be a great signing for Utd though.}

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Izzaguire? O ye that great Left Back playing in a great league, that league is awful... Celtic are 1/50 odds on to win the title this season... says alot, would much rather have Baines

fearny

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Thanks mate - My thoughts are with the McCarthy family

Mike

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Baines is a decent LB but nothing more. I have no desire to see him at OT.

Pip

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06 Jul 2012 18:03:57
we were at big golfing day which was rained off got talking with in the know club sponsorers .modric will not be signing for utd several reasons wages transfer fee and the big one he wanted chelsea before utd last year.fellini will defo be coming talks are well advanced it will invole cash plus player and loanees. big problem is berba by signing extra year deal nobody can match his wages .the big one was one top quality striker coming in no names mentioned but by press reports that now seems to be rvp

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Those same reports suggest rvp wants upwards of 150, some even saying 200...

you saying we could not afford modric wages but ca rvp's even though we have a more pressing need for a cm than a cf??

and please not fellover... sorry fellini....

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If that is true, more disappointing transfers as per usual... pfft

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Random question - but I heard today that Robin Van Persie was at this golf day today!? assuming it's nonsense!?

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That's a made up post if i've ever seen one. Why would United go to the bother of discussing terms with Modric this summer if they didn't want to do the deal because he wanted to sign for Chelsea last year instead of United? And who says this was the case anyway!

Andy B

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06 Jul 2012 17:57:50
With Park reportedly done deal to QPR... Fergie must have a replacement already on his way.

Who does everyone think it will be?

fearny

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Why would a replacement be coming in for a squad player at best ? we have Tunners, Petrucci, Powell and other younsters who can step up plus he usually plays on the wing where we are strong anyway

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Ashley Young

Mike

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For Park ????

we have enough squad players....... need to generate more cash and purchase someone to improve our team... FIRST 11..... berbatov next, maybe Anderson and god forbid Nani if contract is not sorted....

I know people have split opinion on nani but he is head and shoulders above young, so if he is sold, then one of rodriguez, gaitan, muniain will have to come in..... Plus a CM/DM which is what we need and then a LB....

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Is he, havent heard anything of this?
Invisible STuey

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Don't need to replace Park. Hopefully might play a first team player in the euro games!

DodgyBanter

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I think some people have very short memories. Park might not have been in his best form last season, many players were not, but he will definatley need replacing in the squad, don't forget with Fletcher absent and Pogba gone we're well down on numbers in midfield from last year. In the last 12 months we've also lost Gibson (yes not a great loss but still a body) we got Scholes back but that still puts us 3 players down, so there will definatley be players coming in. Im not sure that Sir Alex will be counting the likes of Powell or Tuncliffe as first team squad members just yet. Perhaps this move needed to be made by the club to free up some wages.

Andy B

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Does Powell not replace him?

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06 Jul 2012 17:56:24
One of the most optimistic stories in the papers I have possibly ever seen. Ashley Cole to Man Utd. Don't believe it for a second, although if true would bring us one of if not the best LB in the world

fearny

P.S lets see how many unbelieveables we get for this one ;)

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You say that fearny but ED02 has updated someone on the chelsea site to say that there are no new contracts talks going on with cole and none planned and he only has a year left....

hell i could put up with evra bfor one more year if it meant getting cole next summer... he could then be first choice with fabio& blackett as cover until they are ready...

oxred

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Come on fearny ?? best left back in the world jordi alba far better left back and so is contrao cole is nothin but a cheat and a greedy so and so remember why he left arsenal money!!! bad influence and over rated wouldnt touch him with a barge poll

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You must be joking! Ashley Cole best left back in th world? Do me a flavour! Try fabii coentrao, or jordi alba! Beyond that Philip lahm. No to Ashley Cole for the same reason we need cover for evra, both can be described as decent going forwards, only decent! Not as good as they used to e with poor defensive timing an bad positional sense! I rate baines more highly as a left back, available, good in defence, better than Cole and Evra in attack, and is a good age to fill in the position until fabio matures.

I also hear united might be having a look at Tom Huddleston, if he can stay fit, what do we think?

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Ashley Cole is definately the best left back in the world, defends and attacks brilliantly, Jordi Alba is good at going forward but is definately not as good at defending, same with Coentao, and you must be joking if you think Philip Lahm is as good. AC has stayed at his peek for years, he is slightly on his way down now so i think it would be a poor signing but he definately was and for me still is the best left back in the world. You seem to be basing your opinion completely on the euro's! And Tom Huddleston? what the hell is wrong with you... the fact that you wrote that just invalidates your opinion about Cole as you clearly have no idea what your talking about.

Red Joe

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Touched a nerve with the Ashley cole fan club obviously! I never said I wanted Huddleston, just heard we were having a look, that's how rumour websites work red joe!

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06 Jul 2012 16:51:05
Press and radio stations across Spain, France and Portugal are reporting that Manchester United have made a 25 million euro “concrete offer” to Porto for Joao Moutinho.

sorry for copy n paste

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06 Jul 2012 16:50:33
fryers apparently agreed 4 year deal to join spurs

jayg red

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If true then it's likely we will sign a new LB.

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06 Jul 2012 16:56:46
Fryers has gone to Spurs. Deal done according to Sky Sports.
Another one off!

Simmo

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Not sure he will be missed Simmo mate, Tyler Blackett is a beast and two years his junior. If the manager wanted to keep Zeki then he would have offered him a much better deal.

Sydney!

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Good!!

Dont know what we offered him.... but the kids done nothing yet. He looks like he could be a decent player with plenty of potential BUT aint done anything yet.

If he's chasing the money this early in his career then good luck to him... but doenst say alot for the kids ambition or attitude! Backing Fergie & Gill 100% on their stance on this!

PIT APE

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As long as we have blackett i dont care

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I hope he's taken some memorabilia !
Good luck to the lad not quite good enough to improve us in that position
Tiger2

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Looks as if he was shown the door in a round about way, if the contract he was offered is £1500/week as widely reported in the press.
Tyler Blackett already showing more potential than Fryers and is younger.

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Why are we soo disappointing in the transfer market these days, cant compete with the other top teams, our top young players leaving. and all this recent crap resurfacing to do with the glazers. Everything was rosey before they came along

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This time last year who would of thought zeki, pogba and morrison would of left the club.
just goes to show you can never say this player or that player will be a first team player for years to come , so much can happen
jred

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I heard he wanted 60k pw thats the rumour

Pardoe

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AAA funniest thing ive EVER heard..

Like Spurs would actually give him anything near that!

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Blackett should be future holder of LB spot and agree he is a better prospect then Fryers. Can't blame Glazers for player greed and fully support Fergie in his stance that if players are good enough the money will find them. Good luck to him in his step down...

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06 Jul 2012 15:33:57
I feel Fergie may be on a one man mission to save the transfer market. He has scooped up a top class player for 12m, a young english player for 2.5m and now he looks to be trying to get Moutinho, a stand out portuguese player for 20m. Good on him.

I do think if push comes to shove he will go all out at the end of the window but it is nice to see him managing football the right way. The lower the price tag, the lower the expectation. If Kagawa under performs then its only 12m, If Hazard under performs then its a crisis.

I think if we can steal Modric or Moutinho for under 25m then our squad will be able to play with less pressure.

1redarmy

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It's a fair point, we know SAF hates how football transfers have become to inflated thanks to oily billionaires and so on.

What i said to my mate the other day who supports Chelsea, yes Chelsea got Hazard they had to pay £32m which is twice the price of Kagawa so he should have twice the impact for it to be worth the money.. I highly doubt that'll happen though, i think Shinji's humble ready to learn attitude will help him much more than Hazard's big ego in their first seasons.

Ozwald

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Hope he Comes here

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Modric wont leave spurs for under 25m thats for sure. The ball is in Reals court on whether they can get an agreement with Spurs. 35m is the reported asking price and i would imagine that Real wouls spend that if they miss out on David Silva which i think they will.

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I really hope we get Modric!

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To save it? He started it when he paid £30m for a defender, £30m for Veron and so on...

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Are you sure that Fergie started it?

Digest this;
Figo to Real Madrid - 37 mil - 2000
Zidane to Real Madrid - 45 mil - 2001

Next you'll be saying that Brian Clough started it all by paying £1 million for Trevor Francis.

Pritpal

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06 Jul 2012 15:27:44
van persie and rooney would be a class combination hope it happens

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But it wont

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Never now

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I think Juve may be his next destination. More palatable for Arsenal for him to go to a non-English club and Juve represent a title-winning / Champs League option.

City will outbid us in terms of wages ....or will they ? Not if Talksport is anything to go by who suggest City would have to seel players, i.e. cover RVP wages, before they could make a bid under FFP.


Halesini

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It wont happen. Why would you say this? This is far more likely than most of the other names that pop up on this site and people are saying they will move to us.

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Yes city will outbid in wages but van persie said he doesnt care about money,just wants to win trophies

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RVP is full of it, lets hope we do not sign the injury prone one season wonder. chico chico chico ....

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Chico so far has been a one season wonder!!

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I'm not a Glazer hater as such but can't help feeling angry at why they were allowed to lad the club with six huge debts when they brought it. Financially we would surely be in a much better situation if they had never brought us. However, I do feel that they would be willing to spend if SAF identified a target he was willing to pay top dollar for and I think we could see a few more signings yet. Probably baines at lease. SAF has Said they are working on 1 or 2 more signings and he would never say this unless he was pretty sure that they would happen!

Dan

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06 Jul 2012 15:02:10
Are we being linked with any RB?
I dont understand why we are looking at LB as a priority. Evra may not be as good as he was a couple years ago, but he is still leagues ahead of Raphael who personally I dont think is good enough to command the right back slot. He is definitely a good enough squad player, but I cannot see him ever being a world class right back. We need to replace Gnev more than Evra!
Anyone agree? and any thoughts on who we could get?
Chelsea being linked to Maicon, id take him! Phillip Lahm would be my #1 but thats not gonna happen

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I agree m8 I can't see raphael being world class personally I would like the French rb who newcastle are linked with (sorry his name escapes me )

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I think Rafael suits Uniteds game perfectly and will r a world beater! He's still young and makes inexperienced errors but as te seasons go on it will happen less and less. My favourite right back in the prem.

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Maicon is probably worse than evra.

TRUMORS

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I think we will buy a lb before a rb
Jred

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You can't buy a player to last one or two seasons which is what it will be until Rafael is solid first choice RB. We also have Jones and Smalling who can play there so we don't need cover. At LB Evra is getting older and we don't have any cover now that Fabio is going. Get a young LB now and he will be ready to fully take over from Evra in a year or two.

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Maicon is well past his best,rb is not a priority,rafael is still learning and will be a great player for us,if he loses form or gets injured then smalling and jones can both cover his position,we have no-one to cover evra except tyler blackett who is hopefully going to be a great player for us,but we cant rely on him yet.

phil

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Have a look at the amount of goals that we conceded last season from the left due to Patrice Evra bombing forward not being able to get back into position.
Maybe that will change your mind?

Simmop

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People commenting on Rafael obviously haven't watched United closely this year.

He has developed massively and seems to have overcome some injury problems.

He is 21, so still very young and playing in a position that teams continually try and exploit knowing that he is gaining experience means that he will get beaten or make mistakes but he's learning and for a little guy he is strong, very quick and his accuracy in the tackle has improved massively of late.

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I think and Fergie thinks Rafa has the potential to be the best RB. What is it about him that cant be world class? His enthusiasm to win the ball?
Gar

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Debuchy - he played well in the Euros and the price quoted re Newcastle did not seem outrageous. Who are the RBs coming through the ranks?

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It was rafael's fault we conceded those late goals at everton which cost us the league. He is a decent player but he is injury prone, rash at times and his awareness defensively is questionable. Remember him caught on his heels staring at de gea as athletic Bilbao scored at OT. I'd be happier with jones or smalling there in a lot of games even though neither are natural fullbacks. Evra's lazy tracking back cost us on too many occasions in recent seasons hence the pressing need for a new left back; much more urgent than rb given that our only cover there is Evans, a not ready Blackett and in an emergency giggs.
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Between Jones Smalling and Rafael rb is well covered. They might not be gnev but i think rafael will be a world class rb in the mould of Dani Alves but even better than Alves. He is only 21 common people, his positional errors will start to creep out of his game and i think even next season he will have improved a lot.

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I completely agree m8.
raphael may come good, agreed. However, right now he is simply not good enough. He is without a doubt a great squad player, and at 21 yrs old, definitely could be first choice in 2 seasons, but that is 2 seasons away.
An older right back like Maicon for a couple of years would have been a bargain. Jones and Smalling, or as I like to call them Smalls and Joneing, are our future central defenders, and should be rotated mainly in central defence as opposed to right back. We need another right back, just as much as we need another left back.
Maicon was the obvious choice
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Remember rafael is only 20/21 he can improve further. Plus smalling/jones can play there. After Evra there are no lefts backs..

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I think Rafael still has a lot to learn defensively in terms of staying on his feet, positioning and diving in too much. However he is still very young and has improved, I wouldnt say immensely, in fact a bit slower than hoped, though he has had niggly injuries. Personalyl I worry about the niggly injuries of both twins rather than whether they can develop into top players ability wise
Invisible STuey

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06 Jul 2012 14:59:22
Boost for Spurs and MANUTD as Modric move to Real faces collapse over huge £35m transfer fee..wohuuvvv!

Janardhan

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Thats not a boost for utd as theres no way we'll pay that much for him either

phil

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Agreed Phil. I hope we can use the fact that we can outbid spurs for Moutinho as a way to force their hand into giving us Modric. Still, I think Modric is most likely Madrid bound.

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It was reported today that modric has agreed terms with madrid
jred

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I think united would be better with modric than mouthino modric is a proven player in the prem although hes not worth anymore than 30mil

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06 Jul 2012 14:56:59
Rumours going around that Man United have accepted a 5 million pound bid for Ji Sung Park.

Simmo

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I'd be well happy with that tbh I think both Park and Evra are well past their best form in a United shirt. Personally I was expecting £3m max for Park so I'd bite their hands off for £5m

Gav

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Gav

If it's true 5 million pound is a really good amount.
I just hope he buys a couple of midfielders which we are so desperate for.
In my opinion i think Berba will stay another season so he won't buy a striker now.
Come on Fergie get a couple of top midfilders in!

Simmo

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I think £2m would be closer to the mark giving his age, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Park leave this summer. It all depends on how much a club wants him.

Sydney!

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Cardiff city have had fee accepted

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Queens Park Rangers are the reported club that have tabled a £5million bid..

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You got think tho he is really popular in asia and he will bring massive revenue for the teams he play for so that 5 mil will be re coup in the 1st couple of months

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06 Jul 2012 14:47:02
Rumour of QPR 5m bid accepted by Utd for Park?

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06 Jul 2012 14:28:19
Do any of the Ed's know if there are any new signings on the horizon. My sources believe that we have table a bid of £22 million for Moutinho but is expected to be rejected.

fearny

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I thought you'd have gotten bored now posting as though you actually have a clue...

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No name, I think the fearny from this morning and last night was an imposter, that would explain the fact the posts have been deleted.

Sydney!

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06 Jul 2012 14:25:55
we are in for van persie ive been told we spoke to his agent 4 weeks ago and every thing went well hes not botherd about money just winning trophys and playing week in week out thats why he wont be going to city if we fail in the bid with arsenal then he will go abroad arsenal do not want to sell him to utd thats the stumbling block watch this space monkey man

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06 Jul 2012 13:16:07
All the speculation is driving me mad, i would love to see 1 or 2 of the players being mentioned day in day out arrive but i just cant see it, its been 4 yrs since we spent £30 mil+ on a player [ berbs], so while baines is a possibility, the likes of modric, moura, rvp,moutinho, who would all command fees in the region of £25miL+ are i think perhaps doutful, the £17mil on shingi is probably the most we can hope for, i hope i am wrong, what are your thoughts ed ?

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I think, sadly, you are spot on. We can't compete with the big boys anymore.

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While I agree we're not going to be spending hugely, I can see us spending between 20-30m on a player, and maybe even a second player in the 10-20 range, although it also depends who leaves. around 60 M might not be unrealistic given that much of it will be spread out, especially if we can raise 5-10m from selling someone.

That could still be enough for someone like Moutinho (20-25m?) and a cheaper player (10-12m maybe) to fill a hole (LB?).

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Apparently we were in for hazard at £32m

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Glazer's have always said, 25 to 30m will be spent if needed on a potential or top class player. We've spent
12.5 raising to 16m on Kagawa.
2.75 raising to 4m on Powell.

We also offered Lille 30m for Hazard.
Are bidding 30m on Lucas Moura.

So it seems we have 30m still to splash.
Baines 15m and maybe with the sale of some players we can afford to splash 22+m on Mourtinho.

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So explain why we made a £32m bid for Hazard ? stop being so bloody negative

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I don't think its necessarily the transfer fees that are the problem. I think money can be spent on the right player. However, wages are an issue. That why we saw transfers such as Phil Jones (18m) because he's on a long contract but probably costs around 40k a week so its very doable. A good example of this is Andy Carroll vs Sergio Aguero. Both 35m but vast difference in wages. Maybe 80k vs 250k per week.

Jomu

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Did Lille not confirm that they only recived 1 bid and that was from Chelsea
Jred {Ed002's Note - People are confusing an agreement over a salary with his agent and acceptable bids.}

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At United there is a lot of thought that goes into transfers and whether it's worth it, for example we spent £16.5m last year on a 19 year old (Phil Jones), £17m on a 20 year old keeper. We have the money, but SAF doesn't like to rush anything as i'm sure he learnt with Bebe it doesn't usually work out haha.

Ozwald

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I think that Van Persie is available.Who else would you think of?

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I honestly dont think there is a set limit for the transfer fee. I'm pretty sure we could spend £25-30m on one player, on a one off basis. The wages will be just as important if not more so. Could see us sign Modric for £30m and say £140k p/w max but couldn't see us spending £30m on a player who wants say £250k p/w - as seemed to be the situation with Sneijder last year

Gav

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Just noticed Jomu's post - agree with you! good example with Carroll/Aguero - at those figures it would be a difference of over £8m per year in wages which is massive

Gav

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Well we got ferdinand 30+m in 01, then rooney in 04 then berba in 08, so the pattern is around 3-4 years. And guess what, it's the fourth year!!

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Modric already agreed terms with us for 125k a week salary. But we do not meet Spurs valuation. He has reportedly also agreed terms with Real and would prefer a move there so he is reals to take.

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You missed veron 02

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Couldnt agree more. even liverpool are spending more than us these days.. last big name signing was berba. weve probably only just about spent the money from ronaldos sale, so where is the constant 30mil we had/ should have each year. we're just getting small time players each year 'hoping' they do well. for god sake lets get a world class player!

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06 Jul 2012 13:10:20
Eds, even if we haven't bid for Moutinho do you think 20m will be enough for porto to sell? {Ed002's Note - Perhaps - they quoted 30M euros.}

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30m euros = 24m pounds

I think we'd all consider that a good price.

Kai

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It really is impossible to say. Depends on many things, how much serious interest there is from other clubs.. Also it's likely the fee will have performances related clauses increasing the sum over a period of time. Any arrangements can be made to bring the price down, we've had a pretty good history when negotiating with Porto so fingers crossed!

Ozwald

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06 Jul 2012 11:05:07
if edd 002 is about , do you know if its true that modric is in talks with PSG
jred {Ed002's Note - No, I don't know where he is today.}

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Apparently so,according to SSN.

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06 Jul 2012 10:32:50
''What you have to remember is if
we were to spend £80m this summer and all the players were signed up for four years, it isn't £80m out of the club in one go, it's £20m over four years.''

Sydney!

syd
im not so sure about this , if you look at andersred blog for our cash flow for 2011/2012 it shows that our net transfer spend or total transfer spend was 48mill and this was taken out of the cash reserve last year.

jred

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I think the accounts will show this to simplify things, but I am not sure if the selling club will receive the payments in one go. I could be wrong though mate.

Sydney!

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Syd
not sure myself just trying to work it out
jred

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I do remember AG explaining why Liverpool's true losses were covered up by their player sales. He explained it as Carroll. Downing's etc fees amortised over five years at say £20m a year, but the player sales come in in a lump sum and make the figures looks healthier.

Sydney!

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Would in not have been better to know the facts instead of popping random rumours on? SANDY!

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Not really. The transfer fees are spread evenly over the lives of the player' contracts so the annual charge in their profit & loss account would £20m, but the cash goes out of the company immediately or according to whatever the agreement says, so unless there are deferred payment terms (e.g pay half now, half in 12 months time etc) then the cash goes out when the deal is signed.

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Ole4evra
cheers pal that ties in with a lot of what ive been reading
jred

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Syd
if thats the case how much have we got in our cash reserves at the momoent , roughly
jred

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Jred, according to AG we have a bare minimum of £65m in the cash reserves as we speak.

Sydney!

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Syd
In April the cash reserves were down to 26 mill , what gone in raise it pal
Jred

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Season ticket money, sponsorships etc.

Sydney!

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Ole4evra - that's exactly how I see it too. Sometimes clubs will agree a payment structure over a number of years but otherwise the cash is transferred in one go. It's probably just an accountancy principal to show it spread over the length of contract, not real life

Gav

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Yer been looking in to it season ticket money sponsership , tv money and prize money EPL,CL are all paid this time of year.
bond and interest payments in august plus any transfers will put a hole in that
jred

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Jred

Football clubs make most of their revenues in the last quarter of the season, for the reasons Syd metioned among others

Gav

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06 Jul 2012 10:22:31
Arsenal are now after Lewandowski, was all the intrest in him from man utd was just hype before euros and the papers filling up their pages. Damn i thought sex sells but attach any footballer with united and the papers sell.

*Reddy

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United were interested and I suspect Arsenal will get the same answer as we did, he is not for sale. Not this summer anyway.

Sydney!

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Lewandowski at Man UTD are you for real? dortmund have already sold a quality CAM to united why would they risk losing another talented player???

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06 Jul 2012 09:53:05
Do any of the Eds know if it's true that we have bid £20M for Moutinho?

Thanks

Rudderpost {Ed002's Note - I don't know of a bid.}

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06 Jul 2012 09:47:21
Lucas Moura, seems to be the next hot topic but people need to remember the players agent has said he wont be leaving this summer , the club have said he wont be leaving this summer and they have also turned down a 32m bid.
So i would of thought it is very unlikely we will be signing him
jred

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It is a 200% impossible signing as all you and us know that we don't have that money

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We have the money to buy a £30m player, but agree we will not be signing Lucas because he is not available.

Sydney!

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Everyone has a price ! Was there really a 32 million bid by Chelsea? I'm not sure that's merely propaganda ! Have a think Sidney why would the club come out and say they rejected 32 million . To start a bidding war perhaps . Clubs who are not looking to sell don't mention amounts ! Douchney ! {Ed002's Note - It was not propaganda.}

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06 Jul 2012 09:42:57
Few reports suggesting that MUFC have tabled a bid for Joao Moutinho arund the £20m mark. Fingers crossed, if Modric deal isn't happening then this is definitely the next one to try.

Ozwald

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20 dream on

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Agree he is the perfect 2nd choice. If we could snap him up for anything less than £25m that's great value IMO

Gav

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06 Jul 2012 09:31:48
Ed is there any truth in the rumour in the times about Man Utd bidding in the region of 20million pounds for Joao Moutinho ? {Ed002's Note - I don't know of a bid.}

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06 Jul 2012 08:31:49
Everton manager d.moyes had been intervied and said ... 'We wil loose baines and fellani..within few days' !

Ed/syd -what you think ..we have negotiated both players to sign for ManU?


Abu:roshan {Ed002's Note - I doubt both.}

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I said it before and ill say it again i would cry if we bought Fellani - do not get the whole thing about him, average at best in a average Everton squad, i have watched for over the past while and he does nothing to influence a game, we might as well keep Anderson

Giants14

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He must of changed his mind cos ive just seen him on sly say the exact opposite
jred

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Fellaini would become uniteds best midfielder, how very wrong you are Giants14

Cban

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Anyone who actually understands football would know that Fellaini is exactly the type of player we need. He would add steel to our midfield, tough in the tackle and also composed on the ball, or at least difficult to dislodge the ball from due to his build. Add to this the ability to give him license to go forward and bring on carrick to dictate the tempo from midfield while he causes havoc closer to the opposition goal. I'd love Fellaini to sign.

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He said we will fight to keep hold of them

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Im an Everton fan,are you joking?! Moyes just got interviewed for the Naismith press conference and said that he has received no offers for either and he has heard nothing! So stop lying I accept you may sign Baines but you get lost if you think youre getting Fellaini.

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What channel were you watching,he just said he will fight to keep both players,get your facts right please............

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Your a lier as Moyes said no such thing in fact he said there had been no offers at all for either player, and if they did leave then they would leave on Evertons terms i.e. very expensive, so stop with the lies.

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06 Jul 2012 08:14:31
ED02... the Times are reporting that Manchester United have made a bid in the region of £20m for Portugal midfielder Joao Moutinho.

Do you happen to know if this is true?

oxred {Ed002's Note - I don't know if a bid has been made but there appears to be interest from Manchester United.}

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So far so good then! :)

Ozwald

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06 Jul 2012 00:00:17
It seems the Hazard money is burning a hole in Gill's pocket. We've been linked with these big money transfers.

Hazard 32m FAIL Chelsea

Modric 25m plus player R.Madrid/PSG/UTD
Lucas Da Silva Moura??? Inter or UTD
Moutinho??? Spurs or UTD
James Rodriguez???? Stay or UTD if Nani leaves
van Persie???? City/Juv/UTD
Javi Martinez???? Stay in Spain/City or UTD
Cabaye. Stay or UTD

Will we get one or will we lose them all?

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You forgot baines utd utd utd

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A lot of them are probably just rumours. I hope we're in for Modric though with Moutinho as a back up plan

Gav

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05 Jul 2012 23:58:40
Hi everyone, I'm told united have interest in de marcos from athletic Bilbao. I think he'd be a great signing! What does everyone else think?

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05 Jul 2012 23:28:16
Ed......is Lucas moura clos to completing a move {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}

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05 Jul 2012 23:26:13
Lets move away from the fortune telling and guess work of what may or may not be happening with the the potential sale of part of the club. It's all hear say and everything that could be said and is worth saying has been.

I'd rather talk about a subject much more important to the success of our club..............our midfield.

Now it must be obvious that we need someone else but the question is who?
Now we can only answer this once we have worked out what it is we need from this potential new player.

Some say we need a creative player, i can see their point to a certain extent but we have signed Kagawa and Powell and we have Anderson Cleverley and Petrucci in our ranks already.

Others say we need a defensive midfielder. Again i can see the appeal and some of our performances last season were crying out for someone to take the midfield by the scruff of the neck. But Sir Alex has spoken and said he doesn't feel the need for such a player in the modern game, and i think he has a good point, do you need to have a player in your midfield who's sole perpose is to distrupt your opposition. Surely in this new era of football all players need to be able to pass and keep possession of the ball, the Makelele role is dead.

So what we need seems to be abit harder to define, what i think we need is a high energy box to box type player who can attack and defend equally well, it would be useful if they were able to dictate the tempo as well but not essenscial(we have Scholes, Carrick and potentially Cleverley and Petrucci who can either play or be groomed into this role).

I've come up with a list of six possible targets for this role, three from the premier league and three imports.

First up Yohan Cabaye, he has been instumental in the rising of the toon army last year. He is tenacsious in the tackle and creative going forward. He often sees passes that others don't and he pulls them off with ease. But when things get rough he is right up there in the centre of it all getting stuck in. The only downside is his cost, Newcastle would bleed us dry for his signature. But he would be my first choice of the Prem based players.

Second choice of the prem based players is Marouane Fellaini, I know he isn't always a popular choice but he has been the driving force behind the Everton team for the past few years. Look at the way he took us apart. His attitude is first class and his physical nature makes him a real handful for anyone to deal with. I look at it this way, when we signed Valencia he was the best player in a team that was always fighting relegation, Fellaini is the best player in a team that always challenges for the european places, so why can't he have as good an impact as Valencia. Again though his price might be a stubbling block.

My last choice from the prem is Moussa Dembele, He's abit of the wild card. He has looked very good when playing in midfield but he hasn't played there much and has only held that position for about six months. He is versitile though and would offer several options and would come at a fair price.

Now my first choice of the none prem based players is Joao Moutinho, Simply put he is the best player on this list, he tackles, he passes, he sets up goals and he scores them, as well as being able to dictate the tempo of the game. His cost would be significant but his quality is undoubted.

Next up is Kevin Strootman, He used to play in the hole but has since dropped back, and it's brought his game on leaps and bounds. He is an excellent reader of the game and has great vision allowing him to nearly always make the right pass or set up a team mate. He intercepts well but maybe isn't as strong a tackler or frequent a tackler as i'd like but these are things he is working on adding to his game. The downside is maybe this year is a year too early for him to move.

Lastly we have Axel Witsel, he has all the attributes we're looking for but for some reason doesn't stand out in matches as much as the others. He always does his job and he does it well, but he just seems to blend into the background. Maybe i'm missing something and maybe thats his best asset, he just does the job so well you don't notice him, like a well oiled machine.

If i was to put them in order of my personal prefferance i'd go for: Moutinho, Cabaye, Fellaini, Strootman, Witsel, Dembele.

Modric isn't on my list as although i rate him highly i don't think he offers enough defensively to work in our team with any of our middfielders.

Who ever we sign would have to be able to complament most of current midfielders. They would have to be able to partner Scholes, Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson?, Fletcher, Tunnicliffe, Petrucci and Jones? And be the defensive player for the likes of Cleverley, Scholes, Anderson and Petrucci and the more attack minded with Carrick, Fletcher, Tunnicliffe and Jones.

Well let me know what you think.

Shappy

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I think Fellaini, for the reason you can play him as a box to box, dm or attacking midfielder.

He can also be used as a target man, retains the ball well and has a good engine. Not to mention he is only 24, plays with such maturity, its not a coincidence that both RM and Chelski are snooping. He will only get better, he improved tenfold last year in the attacking third of the pitch, much like Yaya.

easily worth 25m

Cban (all views expressed are my very own opinions :)

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A very good and realistic post. Kudos Shappy.

Gaz

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Good post, thanks Shappy. With you and Cban on Fellaini, think he would be a great addition to our team. I can't understand why so many on this site are so against him.
Mr Q

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Sir,

A very good read and pretty much agree with your analysis/ assessment.

KP

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I agree with pretty much everything you said. Good post if not bit of an essay.
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Fair shout!

Honestly don't know what the situation is or will be with Modric. But like i've said before if he doesn't come in i wouldn't mind so long as we get either of the following to sign instead.. Joao Moutinho or Yohan Cabaye

Ozwald

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Great post
Agree with what you said,the first 4 on your rated list would make a great signings n my opinion, moutinho if for around the 25m mark has the potential to be a great signing. I remember watching him at Euro 2008 and thought he looked good then and has impressed me yet again in the tournament just gone can't say much on his league form as I don't follow the portuguese league but i would expect he puts in similar level performances for Porto and before that Sporting.

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Great post!

Personally I think we need a midfielder who can do 2 principal things 1) creativity, that little spark of magic 2) control possession, so a good passer who is good under pressure (Carrick is good on the ball but not under pressure, Scholes is great on the ball but is heading for 40!)

I understand your point about defence/attack as we are kind of lacking a bit of steel in midfield as well as the ability to move the ball forwards. However, I just feel the in the modern game the best, most effective players in most top teams are those who are ultra-comfortable in possession and can provide that bit of magic - Xavi, Iniesta, Modric, Silva, Alonso and even Sneijder are great examples of this

So that's why for me Modric is 1st choice. Sure our midfield would not have all that much 'steel' but in terms of ball retention and creativity we would be awesome with Carrick & Modric sat behind Kagawa. Both Carrick and Modric do make interceptions and the odd tackle too, so I don't think we'd be wide open in any case. Plus, if we really need some physicality against a particular oponent then Jones could me used in a midfield 3

Final point - I do very much like Moutinho and Cabaye so they would be my 2nd and 3rd choice. They're both good on the ball and have just enough 'magic' about them (not quite as much as Modric) whilst in fairness being able to put in a good tackle, which in this case would be a bonus

So I'd be happy with any of Modric, Moutinho, Cabaye (in that order)

Gav

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Agree with most of it except SAF uses Ando in the holding role now (remember pre season with him and clevs in the centre)
Also, if Modric came to united then he would play either with Carrick or in a midfield five with Scholes, Carrick, Valencia, Kagawa/Young and Carrick would take the holding role so he would not be defending much he would take Scholes place as the attacking mid with little defensive responsibility. I think Modric should be our no 1 target and I think he was SAFs no 1 target until we were priced out.

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As a holding midfielder Anderson was awful, thats why are goal had more shots at it in those games than any other. Also in signing Modric you are banking on Carrick to be fit and not suspended to play with him otherwise we would be left light in the centre. Thats why I would steer clear of him as although hes very talented he isn't quite what we need atm.

Shappy

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05 Jul 2012 22:45:41
{Ed022's note - Player Profile Updated on Javi Martinez of Bilbao - linked with Manchester United in recent times, and one of the best up and coming players around at the minute in my opinion. www.player-profiles.co.uk - cheers all.}

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05 Jul 2012 22:20:38
Sir Alex Ferguson has expressed interest in Crystal Palace youngster Wilfried Zaha. However competition from Southampton and Arsenal may force United to look elsewhere.

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Pulling out due to competition from the mighty southampton ? may as well give up now....andog

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05 Jul 2012 19:08:26
Ed002 is there any news on robin van persie or lucas moura {Ed002's Note - Nothing beyond what was said yesterday.}

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