Manchester United Rumours Archive May 06 2012

06 May 2012 22:29:25
Why do we always rise to the scouse idiots?, do not reply if there posts are ludicrous? They'll get bored.. Anyway let's forget the title now.. I cannot see city losing to qpr however ill be delighted if they do!, let's focus on next season now, so ins? Kagawa?, I for one would welcome I've seen a bit more of him and he's brilliant a real work horse and prepared to attack no such a good defender but will do a great job cretively he won't be expected to track back and defend as we will also imo sign a cdm to do that job and play with a 4-2-3-1 with carrick staying In the dm position with a new addition that addition I have no idea who, Martinez ideally yes.. But he's never going to come! We know it, so my reserve target would definatly be Nuri Sahin great player can track back and make important challeges and also quite creative too! Doesn't really play at RMA and could come for 10-15million plus! Pushing to 20 maybe? If real didn't want to do business.. And I think one more signing will be made in the shape of a LB either izzaguire or cissoko will come in imo I'd love cissoko but maybe with funds drained after the rebuilding of the midfeild and possibly a striker higuian? Pulido, erick torres.. I don't know but izza could be the cheaper option for lb if cissoko cannot be secured, would like to hear some more views!:-)

Macca!

Scouse idiots? Bit harsh. They should be on top of the World this morning after their wonderful weekend. I mean, they ALMOST won something, and it's not often a scous
er can boast that!

I know it's easy in hindsight, but had we known it would all probably end up down to goal difference, then I believe SAF would have made greater effort last year to bring in someone creative in midfield. We've battled the neighbours from hell all the way. Trouble is, they'll be stronger come september. So will our other rivals, here as well as in Europe. Trophies will be even harder to come by in the coming years and I'll remember 2012 as the one we tossed away.

Scoring hasn't been a problem. We're only a handful of goals off our own Premier League record.
It's at the other end we've had problems. Stopping opponents ripping us to shreds, a creative midfielder wouldn't have helped with that too much.
The mistake we made was not having a DM fit to play.
A bit of creativity might have made this season easier on the eye but it wouldn't have fixed our leaky back line.

Bob

06 May 2012 21:35:31
Sir Alex has said we can't compete in the transfer Market with Cities pot of gold.
So we'll carry on with our policy of youth & development.

Well I've lost all faith in our youth teams. I watched a very good youth team beat Liverpool, Chelsea & Sheffield United last season at Old Trafford on our cup winning run.

What's the point in youth development when we let our good players go when they are about to have their break through season. Rossi, Pique, Morrison, Pogba. I mean how bloody good do u need to be at a young age? As good as Bebe or Obertan to get 20 appearances between them.

We don't even sort contracts out properly.....
Haven't we got an agreement with Pogba for another yr?
Petrucci, Fryers & Norwood need renewing apparently.

Let's hope the pick of the bunch Januzaj, Dæhli & Peirera will be looked after properly from the academy.

Tom - "Come on QPR"

Rossi - Would never have become the player he has if he stayed at United. There was no room to give him the game time he needed.

Pique - In all honesty, I never rated him and I still don't. He also wanted to go back to Barcelona.

Morrison - Well, he's a tw@. But he had real talent. Pity to see him go, but he hasn't even played for West Ham yet

Pogba - We have done all we can to keep him, and we're not going to play him while this is going on. He may well leave for Juve, but I can't understand why he would go there, unless it's money motivated.

G.A.G.U.S

United haven't lost too many youngsters over the years that have then gone on to have glittering careers.
I can't think of too many...Pique has left and actually won things, but how many more have?

Plenty of so called future United stars have been shown the door over the years, but not many have proved Fergie wrong.

Bob

My problem with all this youth buying is that we don't exactly get cheap players, anderson and jones cost a fortune I'd rather pay I little more and get something s lot closer to the finished artical rather than waiting to see if they ever will be any good for us.

Petrucci will resign..and may have done so already. Rumours Swansea on loan. Mate part of the family...and I am not joking. David loves it at Utd.

06 May 2012 20:49:41
now i know we expect to win the league most years and we've been spoiled in that aspect but city are meant to have had a great season and we've been poor apparently yet we'll still end up with the same amount of points,i know what matters is who finishes first but surely it cant all be doom and gloom,,,with a bit of fine tuning,some players who came in this year gaining from the experience and having a less brutal time with injuries and we'll take some stopping again next year,,,,,still wouldn't wish to support any other team,,,,come on united

Well said, two or three new arrivals, vidic coming back will be like a new signing, city will never have our history or spirit

Keep the Red flag flying high...

Some fine tuning in the summer and we'll back to business next season.

Bob

Well said mate, we get to start next season with a clean slate whatever happens, if we're luckier with injuries next year that's one battle won. If we bring in 2 or 3 players of quality to shake up the 1st team that's another....here's to a big summer! Not all doom and gloom as you said

Gav

06 May 2012 19:40:50
Rooney wants out after a failed season for silverware. Potentially city, but I heard SAF has told him he can leave only to go abroad and that Real are prepared to stump up the cash as are PSG

Rooney himself has been s**t for some time now.

Cant blame him if its true he was promised big investement on quality players, that hasnt happened and is why we will finish the season potless
johndenton

Please grow up - Rooney will ManUtd for ever

Rooney will be man u forever wont long ago he had us over a barrel i dont think he will go this summer he may wait and see wot the transfer window brings! Just hope we dont get left behind because of sum tite fisted yanks

Biggest load of bullsh!t i've heard for a while..

Ozwald

Wayne rooney will not leave man utd!!He stated many times he wants to be all time scorer at utd plus he already on upwards of £200k a week so he's not gonna earn much more from anywhere else

corby12

Aah, and so it begins.....

Bob

I'm not sure he will leave but it's certainly not beyond all realms of possibility.
Unfortunately nowadays, we need to take what players say with a pinch of salt. Rooney saying he wants to stay to become United's all time goalscorer doesn't mean he will. I remember a certain Paul Pogba only a couple of months ago telling MUTV that he wanted to become a legend at United...

Pinch of salt!!

This has clearly been made up! So dont take any notice

You say it's due to a lack of silverware - so Rooney has decided all this and talked it over with SAF, who has already sorted it with Real/PSG, all since the City game? or since yesterday's games? get a grip!

Gav

He was pretty snap in his decision when he said he wanted to leave last time- and alot more public about it

Rooney has no alegiance to utd,hes a die hard everton fan who still goes to some of there games but that didnt stop him leaving them.its not just about money with rooney he is football mad and wants to win things,unfortunately that is going tits up with us due to not sorting out our midfield for the last 2 seasons.he was promised quality player investment by david gill to convince him to stay and that hasnt happened.his body language this season has been noticable at times especially with nani,s decision making. at the end of the day rooney and especially paul stretford will do whats best for both of them in terms of wages and winning trophys.i dont want rooney to go but every player has a price and he nearly went to the bluenoses last time,also the rumour is, getting dropped by fergie for the blackburn game they havent made peace yet.
johndenton

06 May 2012 16:40:45
“There’s no doubt we’ll be bringing players in. Maybe two or three, it depends on the kind of market we’re dealing with. We have to accept the situation, so we do it a different way.

“We will try and look at younger players with the potential to develop at the club. That is what we are good at. Scholes and Giggs are coming to the end. Players like them don’t fall off trees.” Alex Ferguson.

that's just a sad statement 2-3 players and all young ones what a wally.

Never believe anything that SAF says. He's just trying to get prices lower and probably catch out teams when they bid. He's not stupid.

RedDevil19

Yep my guess clyne 2mil kagawa 7mil and proberly somelike jordon rhodes 4 mil whilst other teams get world class players !! The gaps getting bigger evrey year

Catch a grip lads these replies are exactly what's wrong with united fans go and support sh1tty if that's the way u feel...yeah the gap is getting bigger....goal difference??what a joke youse pair are

Look at the team 3 years ago tevez ronaldo and Rooney now Rooney the only world class player we have! We haven't made a marquee signing for 4years

In response to no name who posted "Catch a grip lads these replies are exactly what's wrong with united fans go and support sh1tty if that's the way u feel...yeah the gap is getting bigger....goal difference?what a joke youse pair are"

Mate, you are exactly what is wrong. You are the one who is accepting 2nd place in the league, poor performances and an early exit in the CL, plus poor cup runs where we are knocked out by teams we should be playing off the park.

The other posters here are right. The quality of Utds squad is rapidly declining and a few cheap mediocrities isn't going to arrest the situation anytime soon.

More to the point, the current Utd players are very slow and the football they play is boring.

Andrew B

Although we are not spending like manc and chelsea but we are the only team in the premier league to compete with them

When Ronaldo, Rooney, Schmichael, Cantona etc came to OT were they marquee signings? Marquee signings, tabloid talk learn to read something that requires more than looking at girls with tit jobs and footballers fast cars.You are the wally. SAF has made United into the most successful club in England ever. What have you ever done but stain your mums sheets, play brain dead FIFA and moan on hear W****R Go to the blue half and join your family. They buy marquee signings and play in half empty stadiums. Go back to your Sun and Star tosser
Mik

I think rooney maybe was, he was the best young player in the world at the time
jred

In response to Andrew B. This rapidly declining team playing boring football and slow as you put it has amassed a points total higher than many if no tall the title winning Utd teams before it. Of course there will be short term relative decline VDS, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Rio, Evra, Park, Brown, O'Shea, Berbatov etc etc have all been seriously quality players and all reaching the wrong end of there careers, you cant just replace these players easily and all at once. It takes time and are Smalling, Hernandez, De Gea and Jones cheap mediocrities, they are all very good young players who should have a large part to say over the next decade of this club. When was the last time we made what you would class as "marquee" signings as Cantona and Ronaldo for two examples werent marquee signings. We may spend big money on English players but Utd has never been about making massive foreign signings, how long have you supported the club to not understand this? One poor season in Europe and thse kind of statements come out that just give full credence to the stick Utd fans get. DO you not realise financially nobody can compete with City or Chelsea?
I would agree the football played this season hasnt been great, there are players that need replacing and strengthening needs to be made, that is for certain, but lets not forget for very large parts of the season we have been without Vidic, Anderson, Cleverley and Valencia. Cleverley and Anderson particularly looked like a promising partnership at the beginning of the season, I am not saying this is the answer but this talk of how awful we are becoming is pathetic. WHo do you suggest we sign then anyway?
Invisible STuey

What's the point in youth development when we let our good players go when they are about to have their break through season. Rossi, Pique, Morrison, Pogba. I mean how bloody good do u need to be at a young age? As good as Bebe or Obertan to get 20 appearances between them. As Fergie would say "bloody hell"

Rossi had Tevez, Rooney and Berbatov blocking his path to the first team if I remember correctly.
Pique had Vidic and Ferdinand blocking his path, if you were Pique and had those two in front of you and the opportunity to leave and go back to your boyhood team and a starting place would you not take it?
Pogba, who knows what will happen, but even without bias I would consider it foolish to leave to Serie A as big a club as Juventus obviously are, the support in that ground can be tiny for many games and Serie A though beginning to grow again is far behind the premiership still and with our current midfield he will surely get opportunities to break through next season.
I think the common link here is you are less likely to get as much patience from foreign youngsters trying to break through as you would English ones, perhaops generalising but in most cases appears to be true.
Morrison for all the hype appears so far at least to have been a ood decision as he cant even get into West Hams starting line up at the moment.
It is of course a concern though I would agree the youngsters leaving as this is how the club has been built: build good youth teams, sign the big upcoming premiership layers a la Rooney, Cole, Ferdinand etc and sign exciting foreign players a la Ruud, Ronaldo, Stam etc. I would say if there have been short coming the last four years they have more to do with missing out on the up and coming premeirship players like Bale for example and exciting foreigners like Modric, Silva etc than our youth players. If our current squad were all fully fit for example would any of those youth players you mentioned be nailed on in our starting line up? As the likes of Bale and Modric certainly would.
Invisible STuey

06 May 2012 13:16:04
I see that we (and others) are being linked with Luuk de Jong. Steve McLaren is talking this guy up as a "typical English centre forward" who would do well in the Premiership. Would he make a good pairing with Rooney? It seems that he might be available for as little as £12.5 million (until City express an interest when it will suddenly be £40 million). Is this guy any good?

I personally don't rate him that highly, but a lot of people do. I think everyone has that player that everyone else can see is good, but you just can't. That is Luuk de Jong for me!

Sanshine

Hes ok, Bas Dost is better in eredivisie than him his brother Siem at ajax is ok too

Must be better than our clownish Mexican. Alongside Bebe and Djemba-Djemba he's the worst United first teamer ever. Today he done his falling over, didn't trap one ball, passed to Swansea players and run around like a headless chicken routine. When he did get a sniff of goal, you guessed it - he missed.
He is rubbish
Mik

{Ed022's note - I have player profiled LDJ, feel free to have a look.}

How can anyone slate Hernandez ok he has been poor this season but hasn't he been injured alot of the season ?

06 May 2012 12:10:12
Well seems like we have put out feelers to our top targets and found the agents/clubs want to get City in the loop before settling on any deal.

Hence these comments.

SAF has never said anything so defeatist in all his time as a manager.

So what if City have more cash. Big deal. Just means the money motivated players will go there. Doesn't mean we can just accept defeat on those grounds only. We need to convince players to come to us instead.

If he really is targeting 2-3 players (should be 5 imo) then we should be able to compete with any club in the world to get 2-3 top quality.

If he is right that we are going to continue with promoting and developing young players then that should be all that is needed as a guarantee to Pogba to convince him to stay.

I have 2 theories on why there is no heavy press linking us to any CM'er yet.

1 is we are keeping that quiet to show Pogba he will be hailed as the new signing in CM or

2 SAF really doesn't think we need any reinforcing in there.

Now if its the second one I will be very, very pissed off.

There are more than enough players that can improve on Park, Giggs, Jones, Ando in CM. If they are used AGAIN next year we can all look forward to an even further drop in performances and struggling against any team that deploys the pressure tactic on our CM. We have seen this for 2 years now.

They are quite simply not good enough to play our top level of football in the most important area of the park.

I'm not a massive fan of Carrick either but with Scholes next to him he at least has a sideways pass instead of a backwards one but how much longer can we say that?

With big questions over Fletcher as well we are very short on quality in CM. This area should have at least 2 signings (depending on Fletch and Pogba).

With the players we are linked t so far its looking at a LW, CAM and FB could be the three positions with Gaitan, Kagawa and Clyne the three possible targets (all press speculation though).

Now who would be happy with that? I think anyone with eyes would be shocked as there is no addressing of the CM issue, no addressing of the LB issue and no help up top (unless the CAM is to push Rooney up top).

Its a very bad start to the summer if before this season is actually finished the only thing we can guarantee from SAF is that City (our biggest rivals) WILL be buying better players than us!

Jono

I think kagawa would be a good signing, if we cannot get hazard then i think gaitan would be my 2nd choice as he is left footed can play on the right, left and middle but i think if pogba is leaving then we need to sign someone like martinez and a striker

Well said!

everyone seems to forget chelski when they won the league, no one could compete with them in the transfer market, they bought everyone. Yet united responded.

Hope is not lost. just think in 2-3 years players like jones smalling the twins clev de gea petrucci will all be more experienced and hopefully better (i accept that its not the case with every player)

The future is bright........ The future is RED

Cban

Great post.

Andrew B

06 May 2012 02:13:41
Can everyone stop these Rumours about youth players from other clubs, that we don't need to sign.

Ed, I know this is a long shot, but can you ever see us signing C.Ronaldo again.

3Lions {Ed004's Note - No...}

06 May 2012 00:54:57
Soccer/12/05/05/manual_143951.html
Kagawa to join united quote (apparently).
Good signing, now for about another 3 or so please SAF.

Supasub

Quotes are fake and read fergies interview today before getting ur hopes uo.
Ste73

06 May 2012 00:46:53
According to caught offsh1te city have took hazard house hunting ! Do you think we really have a chance of getting him? {Ed007's Note - See if you are reading that site mate, leave them a message from me asking them to stop spouting nonsense, I'm sick of slagging them off and having to correct people.}

If something is submitted to this site from that scrapbook of a site, it should be deleted on site.

G.A.G.U.S

Seriously - cus anytime we sign someone you always read stuff about Utd officials bring the player house shopping!

05 May 2012 22:21:13
I searched the Osaka TV website.....took me for ever haha....but I couldn't find anytning on Kagawa AT ALL...and something like this wuld be posted on the site when broken.

Obviously I might have missed something on the site, it is in Japanese after all, but I don't believe I did..Shame.

MPez {Ed007's Note - There is nothing to confirm any of this that I know of MPez. It could be true but as of right now I doubt it, I'm not saying Kagawa won't sign, just as of now there is nothing to say.}

I know, I never thought that rumour about him talking to the Osaka TV, so I checked their website, and there's nothing on it about Kagawa.

I think we may be looking at him, but for some to believe he is wrapped up already is well off the mark. I don't believe United have even contacted Dortmund yet, and most likely wont till the season is out.

MPez {Ed007's Note - Totally off the top of my head MPez I think there has been contact (I'm lying in bed and the only Ed about) and if he is leaving Utd could be his destination. Ed002 is in San Francisco on a dancing job for the next Snoop Dogg (I think) video, I will message her to let me know the concrete facts.}

The source for this TV nonsense quote is a Twitter account that was opened that day, made 3 posts re him signing for United and then never posted again. It's probably some Salford teenager in his bedroom and it's quite unbelievable how the media have reported it without any of them checking the source of the story.

IrishRed