Manchester United Rumours Archive August 07 2012

07 Aug 2012 23:12:25
Usain bolt to man utd 31st of aug then Fergie will say Usain
Represents the value in the market we have been striving for

You heard it here 1st

Sam

I read that exact line on twitter 2 hours ago.

G.A.G.U.S

Value in the Market? lol

I know this is all in jest but would Bolt not be one of the highest earning sportsmen on the planet- couldnt afford his wages or image rights haha

Giants14

To be fair we would make more selling Bolt United jerseys than we would on the NY float

Gar

Firstly, Usain Bolt WANTS to play for United! I believe that he is also a United fan and that his first sporting choice was football.
Secondly, No transfer fee, nor footballing agents to deal with!
Thirdly, As Gar pointed out the marketing and merchendising revenue would be huge! (which the owners will love)

Bolt would certainly fit in with the "quick" flowing football that SAF has been on about! Giving him a trail would generate huge media interest (although this could be a bad thing as well).

Valdez

I reckon he'd get off to a slow start, but then finish strongly towards the end of the season.
MelonRed

Tbh Valdez, I was joking

Gar

07 Aug 2012 22:39:19
Reports in Scotland coming from a very close friend who is involved with Hutchison Vale (Darren Fletcher's first youth club) have told me that Fletcher should be back to full fitness by late November, that is why we won't be signing any DM as we can cope up until then.

Van Persie won't sign as Arsenal won't sell to us (unless it's stupid money). Moura deal over and done with. Expect a bud for Gaitan or Rodriguez and also another young player

Cs93

Fletcher back by November, great.....we may have lost the league again by then....

Metro yesterday had a tiny report tucked away in a corner saying that Craig Levein has confirmed that Fletch is back in training with Scotland, sounded (to me at least) like he expects him to be ready to play some part in upcoming Scotland matches. I could be reading too much into what he said for the second part, but definately back in training.

If he can get back at least close to his best soon, we can manage without a new central midfielder for now at least, although I still think we'll need to sign someone good soon (maybe next summer).

Thorne

So we wasted about 2-3 years not signing a replacement for Hargreaves whilst waiting/hoping for him to get back to fitness, and now another saga may start waiting/hoping for Fletch.

I do respect Fletch and the club must support him all the way, but let's hope we don't hold fire for too long again in signing that dominant midfielder we know (at least the fans do) we badly need.

To be fair, Fletch is avery different situation. Hargreaves had injuries of a type which can involve lasting damage, and which tend to re-occur. Fletch has had an illness, which he seem to be mostly past, either he will recover and be back playing or he wont. Yes he could come back for a while and then be forced back out, but on the whole it should be a lot more black and white. Hargreaves was a constant story of "he's coming back, oh wait he's injured again".

Thorne

07 Aug 2012 18:50:10
Sir Alex Ferguson has been speaking about how important Darren Fletcher is in big games, so it looks like he is wanting him back as soon as possible.

Also heard that David Villa will be playing tomorrow against United, will be great to see him and Vidic both back from Injury playing against each other.

I am really looking forward to the game tomorrow and the start of the season.

I can see the whole season being a 3 way battle with us, City and Chel$ea. And if we keep the team fit and wont lose key players I am confident that number 20 will be just a year away!

I hope we get a decent midfielder added to our squad if Fletcher can't regain fitness, maybe Sahin on loan till Fletcher is back?

Also Robin Van Persie will hopefully be signed within the next 2 weeks according to a lot of source and fans, I myself am pleased to hear this, Berbatov was just a few years younger and we paid loads for him, so surely Van Persie is a good move, I just hope Welbeck and Chicharito will get there time aswell.

-JakeW

Who else would be battling for the title? Liverpool...hah, spurs? if they lose modric then theyre done.

Daniel

The Chelsea that lost to Brighton 3-1 the other day with their strongest team? They're weak at the back, one of the worst things to be. I reckon it'll be between United and s***ty this season, Chelsea will grow and become strong in the second part of the season and have a good season after this one.

Ozwald

No way rvp staying at arsenal,utd pannicking,they are now scared of man city,they have been to reliant on giggs and scoles.well fergie,has wasted a lot of cash in past.dont moan its citys turn now.players want money stardome and trophies.and europe success,and you say flecther,give me a brake his on his way to everton.utd 2012-2013 season nothing .same as last season ,and the next and the next. untill that pompos horrid ,pensinor rtires and hands over the reins.yes he has had succes.but he now bemoans city have to much cash .look hard .look at the money he has spashed out ,look at some of the multi millions he paid for crap.wake up utd fans smell the coffee you are has beens.

So weak at the back they withstood the onslought of Barcelona at home and away?

Red Joe

Too the third post, I am not going to retaliate to your pathetic post, come back when you pass English.

-JakeW

Re Fletch (cut and pasted from another post here):

Metro yesterday had a tiny report tucked away in a corner saying that Craig Levein has confirmed that Fletch is back in training with Scotland, sounded (to me at least) like he expects him to be ready to play some part in upcoming Scotland matches. I could be reading too much into what he said for the second part, but definately back in training.

If he can get back at least close to his best soon, we can manage without a new central midfielder for now at least, although I still think we'll need to sign someone good soon (maybe next summer).

Thorne

You said it - the experience with berbatov is the reason we wont overpay for RVP

07 Aug 2012 18:05:50
Put a end to all this madness and Bring in the REAL transfer target in Van persie and Baines and then put the cheque book away till January goodnight vienna!!!

07 Aug 2012 15:07:44
spoke to the shoe shine boy of police squad,
he says the word on the street is klass jan huntelaar.

Ed what is the latest on Wanyama? And if he moves to Arsenal do you think we might move for M'vila?

Thanks a lot {Ed007's Note - There is nothing new on Wanyama, Arsenal are still in pole position. I don't think Utd will go in for M'Vila.}

I spoke to the same guy this afternoon we were too busy talking I never noticed he did a shoddy job of buffing my left shoe. But he also told me the word on the street is watch out for lewandowski . It's a cert he was definitely going on about a polish finish ! SHANDY

So what youre saying is he has absolutely no idea what were doing... cool, thanks for the post. but i hope the shoe shien boy from the police(who has no connection to United) is wrong. Id rather see a million other people than huntelaar.

Daniel

07 Aug 2012 14:24:49
From what I've heard Moura is off, Van Persie is on.
SAF has got fed up with the agents demands and will turn his attention elsewhere. Expect bids for other midfielders (maybe even Sahin).
RvP is holding out for us...we all know that. And I still think it will be a deadline day deal.

Another thing which goes in the favour of RvP moving; Podolski hasn't got a squad number yet...because he wants number 10...I know it's a "2+2=3.5" but it's a fairly sound speculation.

SB

Podolski does not have a shirt number because he would like the 10 shirt if Rvp leaves, it's not as simple as you want him you get him a price tag has to be met and let's not forget your club is broke.


Clg

Clg,

What do you class as broke? Because your definition must be slightly different to mine.

GDS

Price tag has to be met? Have you not trolled enough to know that once August the 31st passes, the chances of Arsenal getting any money him are very slim (unless they have a 10 point lead in the league and are in all 3 cup competitions too)? I've said all along, if he is still an Arsenal player by 7pm on that Friday, a bid a lot lower than Arsenal want will be accepted.

Mancini has said no, Juve are saying no (but SS are trying to stir it up more), and Utd want him. I'm with most on how he isn't a Utd player until he's in that shirt...but I think it's looking good!

Anywho, get back onto the Blackburn boards.

SB.

GDS im not trolling and SB we'll see.


Clg

07 Aug 2012 14:07:41
Moura or not, we have have admit the financial nature of todays transfer markets is brutal. not only is there the capital up front, there is interest, VAT, astronomical agents fees and now clubs are even paying of families and friends. How can anyone expect us to compete with Chelsea, PSG and City when you read the small print on the sort of deals for Aguero, Hazard and potentially Moura. 45 million euros for a totally unproven player, probably to start 20 or less games a year just because they can? and Hazard's agent getting a 6 milion pay packet? ruining the game. FIFA have to step in.
Young players these days clealry dont give a sh1t who they play for. Mora would become a legend at OT, bt will sadly be forgotten about at PSG

Stuey

Its crap when a team like psg come in and blow us out of the water , but its probably crap for say newcastle fans when we step in and blow them out the water.

thats football people will go on about sugar daddy clubs etc but thats the way it is now, if over the next 4,5 years city and psg go on to win leagues and UCL will history judge them any different than say RM how have constantly spent vast sums.

look at all the leagues 9 times out of 10 the team who wins are one of the teams that have spent the most.
But remember united make a lot of money are there are a lot of players out there city and PSG cant buy them all
jred
jred

Stuey, I agree and do not expect us to compete with the sugar daddy owned clubs every summer, but this summer we must pay over the odds to get the talent we need. RVP or Moura would be a huge statement.

Sydney!

However, I do not expect us to pay £40m+ for Lucas. He is good, but not that good.

Sydney!

Stuey

How do you know Moura won't be even better at PSG? Not saying he will but why do you think he'd be a legend at OT?

Personally, I think he'd have 2 good seasons and join Madrid, at which point these boards would be flooded by:

"Moneygrabbing little ****, I hope he rots on the bench at the Bernabeu, he'll never go down as a United legend....."

RED_SKY

Could be another Ronaldinho though - but I doubt it. Goof is in this summer, just look at Arsenals desperado signings and it's not all bad.

I agree with Stuey and Sydney. AT the end of the day none of us have probably seen enough of Moura to have a really good idea how good he is/could become, but that says it all. £35m+ for a 19 year old is ridiculous though and too much if you ask me. Considering he is on £10k a week I will be interested to see what wages they throw at him. Saying that Rooney was £20m odd and I think most people would have been happy to pay £35m for him, though being English and already to some degree problem in the premiership it is a different case. I wouldnt say moura will be forgotten at PSG, but they certainly have to win there league and get into Europe the champions league this season.
Invisible STuey

07 Aug 2012 13:48:41
if edd 002 is about, is it true that PSG agreed the whole pakage for lucas as in transfer fee, agent fee parents player and thats why some of the numbers being mentioned are so high.
jred {Ed002's Note - Sao Paulo made it clear to all interested parties what would need to be done financially to sign Moura. Inter, who do not need to pay as much as the others, want to broker a deal involving players that is never going to work with Sao Paulo. PSG have not at this time agreed a deal but have made it clear that they have no issues with the financial considerations and would like to discuss a deal.}

Cheers edd
jred

Thanks Ed.

REDFAITH

07 Aug 2012 13:22:58
Funny to see the place go into free fall over one wickle 19 year old. But I don't see why anyone is surprised. The club don't appear to realise that trying to lowball for star players just doesn't work. It's the same story every time. We decide on a value for a player well below their club's value, we think that we can haggle our way to a deal, and another club outbids us. If you bid for major talents then you must expect some competition. If you're unwilling to match the competition then you shouldn't be trying to make marquee signings.

This summer we have wasted time, effort and money on Hazard and Moura. Players who are ultimately luxury flair players. If we spent half as much time looking for players to shore up our weak midfield and paper thin left side of defence we might actually have a chance next year. But instead we seem to be content to chase after players we have little chance of signing. If we chase marquee signings we must face the fact that we will be bidding against PSG, Real, Barca, City and Chelsea, and will have to pay over the odds. If we're not prepared to do that then looking at Moura's, Hazrad's, Aguero's and Sanchez's is just a massive waste of everyone's time.

Danny Pughnited

With that in mind Danny. Would you take Coentrao & Sahin in swap for Nani + £5-£10m and then potentially bid for Rodriguez/Munian/Gaitan ??

Total £30-£40m spend.... 3 players in 1 out but all areas covered....

I would love to keep Nani personally as I think he is our best wide player in a 3, but if him going to madrid would enable us to sign a quality LB, and CM and then another quality wide man I would be up for that.

Oxred.

I think Fergie knows what he's doing, he's been doing it pretty well for the oast 2 decades...

Jake F

Completely agree with u, we are a joke in the transfer market, every club will try and squeeze as much money as they can out of a transfer, although with us i think the problems are more about the players wages and agent fees then initial transfer fees, but thats just the way football is, we need to put up or shut up

Since when is Moura a star player... apart from snippets on youtube what has he done? No doubt he has skill, but sooo many kids fail to rise to the level required to be a "Star" -- simply he is a kid with potential, remember though potential is like your bank balance - there is never as much there as you thought!

There is no way i would pay near what Sao P are asking

I would seriously consider Coentrao & Sahin for Nani, but I honestly don't think Real want to sell Coentrao and he has no desire to leave. Plus these type of swap deals are really rare, especially at United.

I would be more than happy if we kept Nani and focused on areas that we really lack in. I've been saying all summer, I don't care about marquee signings, and I don't think many fans really do. One cm and one lb that can improve our team. That isn't too difficult a task for a team with a huge scouting network.

Danny Pughnited

Totally agree, we are only in there to appease the fans. Then they'll tell us there's "no value" and someone paid over the odds. In 5 years time, Moura will be worth even more, but we do not want to pay as we are under the wrong impression that players will WANT to sign for United. This is no longer the case, with the exception of a few, players sign for whoever gives them the most money. FACT !
So Fergie/Glazers, stop trying to b/s us and just tell us the truth.

Have to say it is becoming suspicious that we keep entering into negotiations for star players a lot of top clubs are after, and being "unfortunate" in our attempts.

Is it some kind of ruse from the glazers? They are having to keep the fans from rioting, they are having to maintain the sale value of the club, and they need to do this while repaying their debt through club profits. That is definately enough motive for them to be stringing people along.

It could just as easily however, be the case that they are prepared to spend in moderation (at last), and are trying to make sure they dont get ripped off endlessly for players, which as you say, is happening to all the top teams now, - bar arsenal. :P I wouldnt blame them for this though, although your probably right about choosing targets better if they are going to operate in the secondary transfer market.

Although you get extra credit for the Dylan Moran quote, Moura is a star for Sao Paulo. They rate him as their best player and as the second hottest prospect in Brazil. The fact that teams like United, Inter, PSG and Chelsea are sniffing around the lad means that he looks more like a star.

Players are worth what clubs can get for them. That's the only real value of the market, how much someone is willing to pay. Sao Paulo feel that if they hang onto him for another year they might win a trophy and still be able to cash in. United have a value for the lad, and they offered it, it was well under Sao Paulo's valuation. PSG seem to be moving closer to this valuation, they will probably get him. If you bid for a player like Moura, then you have to expect that one of the big hitters is going to make a move. If we aren't prepared/able to compete with the big hitters then we need to shift our focus to more achievable targets.

Danny Pughnited

I think we may well revisit Porto for James Rodriguez. Price may well be an issue with Porto, but I believe agent fees should be straight forward.

Ed002, does James Rodriguez have a difficult agent?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - A difficult club.}

Porto are difficult, but if we are serious then James Rodrigues and Moutinho and RVP should all be bought.
Look at the squads that Barca, Real and dare I say Citeh have got and you realize we need to spend big.
Will this be the case? Ask Fergie/Glazers, answer probably "no value" !

Very very true Ed. Thanks.

Sydney!

AGree with the second paragraph totally Danny. However how can you say £30m odd (if true of course) is trying to low ball a player? THere is no way PRESENTLY Moura is worth anywhere near the value PSG seem prepared to pay
Invisible STuey

Depends what you call 'lowball' really I think we may need to overpay on certain players this summer BUT there is a limit to that. Ed002 has implied that Chelsea pulled out because the money wanted is well above the player's value. If PSG (and their owners) are the only ones willing to meet the financial demands - I wouldnt necessarily cll our bid/bids 'lowball'!

Did Chelsea 'lowball' them? Or Inter or Real?

Gav

Lowballing is when a club places a value on a player and you come in with an offer well below that value. United's final bid for Moura was at least £7m below Sao Paulo's valuation. And Fergie has acknowledged that what we were willing to pay for Hazard was well below what Lille valued him at.

Now it's obvious that the selling club will try to get as much as possible for their player but when it comes to marquee players like Moura and Hazard, if you try to haggle the selling club down then 9 times out of 10 one of the big spenders will be willing to go a lot closer to the valuation.

I'm sick of saying it, but a player is worth exactly what another club is willing to pay. The point is that if United insist on bidding for marquee players then they have to be prepared to compete with the big spenders. If we're not prepared to do that then there's no point in us coming in with bids that are significantly under what the players are valued at by their club. This strategy has failed every time we have tried it. We have wasted half the summer chasing players that we either unwilling or unable to make bids close to the selling club's valuation. Fergie can't pretend to be surprised when PSG, Chelsea, City or whoever else makes a ridiculous bid and gets the player. This is how the top end of the transfer market works these days, and it's a waste of our time if we bid for these players if we refuse to match these ridiculous fees.

Danny Pughnited

Everyone has a short memory we got 89 points last year and lost the league by goal difference, if we get 89 points this season with Vidic and Flectcher back, also Kagawa and Powell with us we will go very close to the title! Fergie hasn't won everything he can by panic buying! City spend over a Billion pound in transfers wages etc to get where they are Chelsea even more and they got 6th last year! when the Glazers go we will be debt free, when the rich guys leave City and Chelsea I don't know what happens to those clubs! I'm sure United will be fine

Danny

You mention Chelsea as being willing to pay what is necessary but didnt they even pull out of the Moura race because of the amount requested? So did they 'lowball' as you put it?

Also IMO, a player may 'cost' a certain amount but it doesnt mean they are 'worth' that amount

Bankrolled clubs tend to overpay for targets when they're on the way up - we've seen it with City and Chelsea - but then they tend to be less ready to do so when once they have achieved something and can attract players with success as well as money. City have openly admitted this. PSG are still very much 'on the way up' so they will have to overpay for players until they start to show that they can compete in the CL, for instance

As a self sufficient club we shouldnt be matching bids which are say 30-40% above their true value

Gav

07 Aug 2012 12:24:03
Does anyone have any ideas as to where Jamie Rodriguez ranks as a target? If Eden Hazard and Lucas Moura were the top two, then I would of thought that Jamie Rodriguez would of been third choice. Surprisingly it seems as though Isco is third choice, personally i'd of thought Gaitan and Rodriguez would of been ahead of him in the list of potential targets ... unless of course their respective clubs have warned us of?

RedDevil19

Is Jamie James' brother? Not sure we have looked into him ;P

1redarmy

I think Isco is only been reported as a potential target due to the financial situation at Malaga and the fact that he may be available for 10m... something the glazers would like.

Munain?

They want more than United want to pay RedDevil.
Like the last post says 10 million for Isco would be ideal because he's cheap.
Fergie and Gill will still turn round and say the money is available if needed....laughable now!

Simmo

Isn't Isco more of a central midfield playmaker rather than a wide/attacking midfield playmaker?

If so, that would be another reason, ie. we are reasonably strong in wide areas but need some talent in the centre.

07 Aug 2012 12:05:00
for all you fans that are deluded fergie and the glazers are happy PSG have come in for lucas moura we do it every summer we bid for players to get fans excited for never add that few extra million that will secure the signing. you will see no superstar signings this summer!! all we will sign now is a LB {Ed002's Note - The fans get excited on their own - it is nothing to do with the club and yet again the misinformation about the moey involved is rife.}

Is Moura more of a "superstar" than Kagawa?

Kagawa has performed consistantly, in a top European league, winning titles and accolades in a very competative German league. Shows excellent team ethic, backed up by his goals and assists in that time.

Moura has done what? Warm the bench at the Olympics? He's no doubt talented and comes with alot of petential but he is far from a guarenteed success. And for £35mil(?) you want a bit more than potential. Having seen him play i'd say he was greedy beyond belief, not blessed with great awareness or any noticable passing skills. Ronaldo was a better player at his age and he cost peanuts. By your method of rating potential (Over priced potential only) you would have been pulling your face about us only spending £12mil on Ronaldo. Cost of the player often has very little to do with ability, or likely end product.

Be happy we've got what we've got, and enjoy it. If you can.

RedMist

Brilliantly said RedMist.

Red Joe

Yeah i bet fergies buzzin that hes wasted all that time and resources trying to sign one of the worlds best younsters only for yet another super-rich team to come and gazump us once again - you complete person!

Why do you even support United? Constantly paying over-inflated prices for players like these has never been Fergies style. He will pay big money sometimes, when he thinks it is warranted, but he has never been willing to get into bidding wars or be held to ransom, he will pay what he thinks a player is worth and no more. Given the success he has brought us in OVER 25 YEARS of running the club this way, I think you should shut your mouth and go support a team that likes to waste endless cash on "Marquee" signings.

Oh, and why can't you keep you conspiracy theories to Aliens, Chem trails and the Illuminati like the other nutjobs.

Thorne

Thorne

Your full of sh*t!
The only reason we have competed for the last three seasons since Tevez and Ronaldo left was one thing, FERGIE because he is a genius and has worked wonders with what he has got and this has papered over the cracks.
Last year showed the cracks with the average football we played in the league and the football in Europe was dreadful because we haven't got the the players in the midfield with the technical ability to hold onto the ball.
We relied on a 38 year old Paul Scholes who is past his best even though he is still capable and a 39 year old Ryan Gigs who was dreadful and constantly give the ball away.
Carrick is average at best, Fletcher looks doomed for the knackers yard and Anderson is a useless overweight nappy arse who can't play more than 10 games a season.
Do you not think this is getting boring...the same story with the same outcome every summer.
The fans are having the pants pulled down mate but people like you with there red blinkers on can't see past it.
Everyone is entitled to there opinion so dont throw your toys out of the pram and tell people to go and support another team its pathetic!

Simmo

Well said Thorne! seems to be alot of united supporters who hate everything about the club! im more for bringing through youth and supporting the scouting system than spending ridiculous immoral amounts on players!

No Simmo, I'm not.

I really want to know what it is about United that makes you support them?

I agree with some of what you're saying about the centre of midfield. I'm not blind.

But that doesn't mean we need to throw money around like City.

I'm not overly happy at our limited success in the transfer market in recent years, but I have always loved the way Fergie runs things, and that has ALWAYS revolved around a preference for buying young talent to develop, and a refusal to pay more than what he thinks a player is worth.

Like I said, we have paid big money at times, and I expect we will again, but only when SAF thinks the player is worth that money. If they aren't worth the money, he wont pay it, end of.

I for one do not want him to change this, even if it means we don't get players we want some times.

Thorne

Thorn

I do support them, im merely stating the obvious that we need to buy midfield players nothing more.
There are plenty of buys out there for us, we don't have to spend 30-35 million pounds.
Im talking about Strootman, Moutinho, Eriksen etc. No more that 20-25 million at the most and they are at a great age and will improve us as a team and themselves as players.

Simmo

Agree with Thorne you dont come across as a United 'supporter' (look up definition), Simmo

your posts are SO negative

Gav

Simmo,

I agree about the midfield, although it seems Fletch may be back soon, Metro reported yesterday that he's back in training with Scotland, he'd at least hold things together for now (although I don't think he'll alleviate the problem entirely, and we still need a new CM by next summer at latest).

My issue is with the attitude that we need to be competing for these big players no matter the cost.

I love that SAF has his own ideas about what players are worth, and he will not pay more than that. Sometimes his opinion about a players worth will stretch to big money, but even then, he'll only go so far. For most of his time at Utd, he has built the team around talented youngsters and extremely strong "squad" playersrather than a squad packed full or "world class" talent. That's why we win the league so much, and why we struggle more in cup competition against big teams. Our strength is in the squad players, and we are best over the course of a season rather than in one of games.

I always question "fans" who constantly expect these "Marquee" signings, as we will never make as many of them as many big teams do, but we are still a better team than most of them.

Thorne

07 Aug 2012 11:20:17
Lucas Moura to PSG will be announced as soon as Brazil's Olympic campaign comes to an end.

Arsenal to confirm RVP is staying & has signed a new contract due to being impressed with their ambition in the transfer market.

Where does this leave us? We are yet again losing out on our main transfer targets.

We will not sign anther player iv said this all summer, we are pathetic in the transfer market, as soon as i heard fergie drivelling on about how powell is a centre mid i just though 'here we go again' no more signings and another summer of disapointment, is anybody really surprised though?!?!?!

That leaves us in the position we are now! There will always be another big thing and most people dont want rvp anyway

& the position we are in now is not great. Anyone that has watched us properly over the last couple of seasons, cannot say hand on heart that we've been impressive?

Guessing most people on here hadn't heard of Lucas Moura until about a month ago anyway.

He looks a fantastic player (only seen him on youtube) but if we don't get him we move on and find another quality player, we clearly have the funds.

No name number 2, what a pathetic post, you say we will not sign a player and then mention a player that we signed this summer in the same sentence. I think Fergie knows what he is doing more than you do.

I have not had a summer of disappointment, we have signed one of the best young players in the world at the start of the window, Kagawa is going to be fantastic. I think we are a left back and maybe RVP away from being fantastic this season. A Moura type signing would be a bonus.

GDS

GDS

Sorry mate but 20-25 million on RVP and you would be happy with that would you?
I would much rather spend 20-25 million on the likes of Eriksen, Strootman, Moutinho etc in the positions that we need to.

Simmo

Well said GDS!
Can take or leave RVP myself, but either way, i think we've got a couple of (obviously massively) under rated players in Kagawa and Powell.

Think we will see another face by the close of the window myself, but not expecting any huge names.

So much negativity. Cheer up!

RedMist

Wasn't supposed to be a negative post in the sense that it's all doom & gloom...
We have some very good players already in our squad. It's just the fact that nowadays on a consistant basis we do appear to lose out on the majority of our main transfer targets for whatever reason.
We are only a couple of players away from being a very good United team, but I'm afraid without those 'couple of players' I see us behind City & Chelsea when it comes to having class players that can change a game.

Gds u muppet! iff you actually read what i said toul find it makes perfect sense, i said we will not sign ANOTHER player, and yeah kagawa is a good addition but all the talk of us signing this player and that player will come to nothing as usual, we need mor than just kagawa and powell, look at the 4-4 draw wiv everton last year (the game that cost us the title) the reason we lost that game was cos everton were just walking through our midfiled unopposed, we need some bite in ther not more attacking players

Moura and RVP are a smokescreen to distract our competitors. The real targets have always been 2 of Modric, Lewandowski and Erickson.
This smart clubs will spread rumour, deception and misinformation and then step in and get their real targets. We all know that clubs like City try to predict our moves and buy our targets so why make it easy for them ?

TheRealist

07 Aug 2012 10:30:49
Regardless of what some bitter fans may so, Lucas Moura will grow to be a fabulous player whether he comes to OT or not. It would be a shame to miss out on such a talent, but we will have back up plans such as Isco or Gaitan - both of whom will be cheaper and will hopefully enable us to sign other qualityu players. Assuming we sign RVP for £20 million, we hopefully would have £30 million remaining. As I said yesterday, I would ideally want this to go on a combination of something like Izaguirre and Witsel or something along those lines. I could live without even signing a winger, its not a priority. Hopefully a left back amd a central midfielder will be a priority now as that will give us the most immediate improvement I would imagine.

RedDevil19

Completely agree regarding Moura, from what ive seen of the boy he looks like he's gonna be a class act.... 36 million is way to much to spend on 1 player but in todays football market its a gamble worth taking....
HERBIE

Even live without signing a winger? Bringing in Powell, Kagawa, RVP, Witsel, and Izaguirre would be an absurdly active transfer window given United's dealings in the past several years. I don't understand why everyone seems so certain that RVP is coming. It doesn't make any sense. I would be over the moon with maybe one center midfielder and/or a left back!

Ruudinthemood

07 Aug 2012 09:26:55
Morning to y'all jealous supporters!

Last week Lucas would be an amazing signing, we could be better than Nani and maybe at a similar level to CR7 and today is just an average player. make up your minds. The fact that player come or not come to United does not make him better or worse.

Appreciate the young talent. If SAF is really interested in pay that amount for a very young player like him, he knows what is doing!

Lucas is not proven in PL, c'amon, how many English players you saw playing well outside of UK? How many South American players are playing or played at the highest level here? It's not from where they are, but who they are and how talented, and capable to adapt to the English style of life and game.

100% agree, Just because Moura has now been linked elsewhere, to a club that has said it wont be buying anyone else, fans suddenly turn on him.

He is a brilliant young player and under the right guidence could become a great even if that isn't here. It would be a shame to miss out on him as he has so much potential but it also doesn't mean he would do well here.

1redarmy

Shame he's off to PSG then

I think everyone has added the caveat - £30mil seems like a lot for an untested potential superstar - Most people on here havent seen much of him and most hadnt heard of him before the interest, so £30mil for a Brazilian that we have no clue how he will adapt to our culture and style of play, let alone lifestyle - why is he even bothered about Manchester being boring, he is here to play footbally not hang around town?! if that's true of course. It all smells of a big Veron to me, without and evidence of proven class! Kleberson, Djemba Djemba, you can forgive as were compartively cheap, Moura for £30mil big big gamble, that isnt worth taking.

07 Aug 2012 09:13:17
would love to see eriksen at the club. He is sheer class he reminds me of zidane

Steady on! Comparing Erikson to Zidane ...
Behave
Hallis

More like maradonna............
Wake up pal!
duggo

06 Aug 2012 20:36:37
Ed002 - I know you don't like answering questions, but a few days ago you said you didn't know of any interest in Moura from PSG. Is that still the case or are you still waiting for an update?

G.A.G.U.S {Ed002's Note - PSG notified his club on Saturday what they would be prepared to offer after Sao Paolo made the financial criteria for a transfer clear to the bidders.}

07 Aug 2012 00:47:35
Right moura will come or he won't but everyone is missing the big picture we have signed shinji kagawa who at 12 million is a steal now I do t think Lucas is worth 18 million more than kagawa infact I'd say kagawa should have cost more because he is more proven has champions leauge experience and has played in a competitive leauge moura has played in a low quality Brazilian leauge I'm sure he will be a star but would you rather have proven quality or potential? I think we should look to sign victor wanyama would cost around 7-10 million and he is versatile too, could be our yaya toure. Finally does anyone know if we are still interested in strooman? Eds, syd?

Kawaga was cheap because he was in the last year of his contract

I am a Celtic supporter and must get in on this post. Wanyama is an average player in a piss poor league, could sign a lot better. He's not better than what United already have, infact some way off it! Keyal is a better player but both would struggle to live up to United standard. UnitedBhoy

Do like the look of Wanyama, very composed on the ball and good passer. Was thinking he could act as a direct replacement for Pogba, obviously he's slightly more developed, experienced and older but that can only help us more.

Ozwald

The signing of Kagawa excites me immensely!

United Till I Die 1987

The so called celtic supporter is talking pi$h wanyama is on his way to being world class if he was in epl the starting price would be 25 mill and that would still be a bargain ask ed 007 {Ed007's Note - The poster obviously doesn't watch a lot of CFC, or Utd for that matter. Wanyama will become one of the best CDM in Europe if he keeps progressing the way he is, his energy itself is something missing from Utd's midfield. He says United could sign a lot better but doesn't suggest anyone. Kayal (surely a CFC supporter can spell one of their player's names correctly, especially one as easy as that) is a good player but he seems to pick up a lot of silly injuries. There is nothing sadder that someone pretending to support another team.}