Manchester United Rumours Archive February 07 2013

 

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07 Feb 2013 18:21:37
Had a brainwave.

Just thinking on the giggs and scholes front, could it be plausible Fergie is giving them enough games to take home a premier league medal (should we win it) as a sign of gratitude so both players can go out on a high?

Just a thought again

Safwetrust87

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They already have a premier league medal quite a few actually

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The dressing room influence is a huge part of why they are still here. And obviously they can still contribute.

Dan

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And their performances suggest that they aren't just playing for the sake of it. I know you could never say they have both been consistently good this season, but particularly some of Giggs' recent run outs have been inspired. Best player on the pitch in a couple of games.

Ben

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They only need ten games to get a medal surely they both have played 10 games already in league?

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The two players are absolute legends!
One premier league medal is too small to enhance their colossal reputation.

The only reason they are here is because they love the club and still produce some good performances. And in the process are saving the club a lot of money.
Also they are perfect role models for the Daehlis, Pereiras, Keane, Wilsons, etc.

Saad

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Fergie doesn't do sentiment. If you're not an asset to the club or meet the required standards you're out. They are there as they can still do a job.

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Haha a stinging response to the original there, keep it up lads lol

Ok I aknowledge they still have a role to play (or can play in fact) I for one second am not saying they are not an asset, but I hear every week from every one of you "why are we playing giggs and scholes" I was just giving you a possibility.

I love the playrrs I really do, we can all see scholes is not having as much input on the field and giggs is hit and miss with his age now (albeit can be quality on his day still)

Just really think they will both retire with a medal at the end of the year, and I only see them playing on a ewgular if and when we wrap the title up

Safwetrust87

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LOL,
Cant see it now in fairness! Two legends with experience to burn, invaluable on training ground and dressing room for the kids, role models! Giggs was superb today covered as much ground as anyone on the pitch and Scholes is always top man for taking control of a game when we on the backfoot! Besides these guys have more than enough medals without Fergie sending them presents if they not performing!

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07 Feb 2013 11:03:55
If anyone is worth 40m or 50m it should be Wishere (its not mod fever)! The boy has everything unfortunately he looks like he is really committed to Arsenal!

Specially for united when we need someone far better than Cleverly and Anderson! Yes they are very good, but we all know we need atleast 2 more Midfielders.
Which 2 midfielders would you guys want!

Red Samurai

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LOL! he is a very good young player but is he worth more than gotze or ozil. maybe even oscar?

id say he is worth 25m-30m.

JK92

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Xavi and Iniesta LOL

Pirlo and Marchisio wouldn't be bad either, and Schweinsteiger coming off the bench would give us real options.

No, really, let me stop taking the piss, my apologies - couldn't resist it. !

Realistically speaking, I guess The Stroot would be ok. Haven't seen Wanayama, and Gundogan is another I keep hearing about. The one kid I'd love to have (and I wonder why nobody seems to be going in for him) is Oscar de Marcos. That lad would be perfect for us, IMO. Him Carrick and Clevs would absolutely tear it up.

And whatever happened to the Mexican kid Hector Herrera? Is it still on for the summer?

~Cj

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A fit Anderson would be perfect, and maybe strootman.

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I would have to say Jack Wilshere and Victor wanyama. I think we could get Wilshere for around £30mil and We could get victor for around £10mil. This would mean that are midfield problems are now gone.

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Tbf JK I would say that he is worth more. He is a CM anyway and they are more AMs/forwards. Wilshere is the best English player since Rooney and personally, though I hate to say it, I think he is better than Rooney. He can do pretty much anything he wants and all he really needs to work on is his range of passing.

Dan

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I had a conversation with a couple of mates earlier in which one of them tried to tell me that cleverly is as good if not better than wilshere. I honestly could not believe my ears! Wilshere is a far faaaaaaaaarrrrr better player than cleverly and is a couple of years younger! I know nobody on here has ever suggested this but there is a lot who rate cleverly very highly personally I don't see it myself! I don't ever expect him to be an absolute top midfielder and there are some out there, I don't think we'd get wilshere not in the next year or 2 anyway but I think he's going to be special! I also think we'll sign a quality cm in the summer and the highly overrated cleverly will be no more than a squad player!

Jamal

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Rooney, wilshere and cleverleys link up play was excellent. even though lampard scored the winner we looked a lot better before he came on

Keyz

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I personally doubt he will come to us, unless some miracle happens. Vidal seems to be highly unlikely aswell. Wanyama ( I reckon he is really 25 or 26 and) for 10m seems like fair deal and his salary wouldn't be sky high) either him or Kevin Strootman And Luka Modric if he cost less than 20m


Red Samurai

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Get a grip people, neither Bale or Wilshere are worth £50m. Wilshere is a top player and looked very good playing in a team with Cleverley and Rooney.

Sydney!

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Fellaini and Christian Eriksen

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Red Samurai,

If you are on about Wanyamas age when you say '25 or 26' Wanyama is only 21 and for 10m I think he is well worth it!

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If bellhenderdson is worth 20m jacks worth 50 easy.

he is class

strootman wanyama or willeshere?

i know who my pick would be

ms85

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Ideal situation - sell Ando then bring in Modric and Strootman.
Sell Valencia/Nani - bring in Di Maria

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I think Moussa Dembele would have been a great addition to our squad last summer, for a maximum of £15m. Seeing as we missed that boat I'd like either Strootman or L Bender realistically (or Vidal non-realistically!)

Wilshere is an imminse talent and depending who would be in for him (City/Chelsea/PSG?) he could fetch anything between £25m and £45m IMO. Don't think he will leave Arsenal for at least 2-3 years, if ever.

Gav

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Ms85

I know who my pick would be too but football doesn't work like that. The first 2 are available whilst Jack is not. So there's no use fantasising IMO.

Gav

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He is exactly what we need in the squad. Strootman is a big step down from Wilshere.

Dan

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To the nameless guy above.
I am talking about Wanayama's real age! There is big question mark about his age.


Red Samurai {Ed007's Note - No there isn't, that is complete garbage that you have made up.}

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Dan, no he isn't. Try watching Strootman and not getting caught up in this ridiculous over the top Wilshere obsession. let's not forget it was a meaningless friendly. Wilshere hasn't been winning games for Arsenal on his own.

Sydney!

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Alex song wouldn't be a bad shout, not getting much playing time at barca and has good understanding with RVP also axel witsel

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How is there any question over his age?

Look at a pic of him 2 years ago, and one of him now. Muscles in shoulders and upper chest naturally fill out around 19 - 22 depending on the individual, but it would take very serious work (or steroids) to fill out like that at 24 - 25.

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How about Sanchez from Barcelona? Quick and plays on the wing?

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Cleverly is quality, he may never be true world class, but he could be as good as Carrick, maybe a bit better, which makes him worth keeping in my book. Wilshere on the other hand could be that good by 24, in his peak he could be among the best in the world. Or he could stay around his current level and never achieve his potential.

Thorne

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Syd you really do seem to have an anti Wilshere sentiment. I have watched both a lot this season and Strootman is not as good as Wilshere. Wilshere has been better than Yaya this year he has really stepped up despite coming back from an 18 month injury. There isn't a single weakness to his play. Deceptively fast as well (one of the fastest in the prem). He is a mouthy little person but let's not pretend Cleverley is even in the same league as him ability wise. I like Strootman a lot but Wilshere is better now and will improve even more. I do like that England line up though I think that should be the first choice line up but with Carrick instead of Gerrard. Then we could really play some good quality possession football.

Dan

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Ideally I'd like De Rossi and Schweinsteiger.

Back to reality I think Song, Fabragas, and Strootman could be possible for various reasons and would improve the team. Wanayama I haven't watched.

Wilshire would be stella and isn't so unrealistic if Arsenal continue to decline and he decides he wants to win something ala RVP. Somehow I can't see him in a City or a Chelsea shirt no matter what.

Andrew B

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07 Feb 2013 17:57:34
strootman and wanyama in, scholes and fletcher retire and sell anderson. Promote powell and tunnicliffe.

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A bit off the wall, but what about converting Zaha? Pace and power obviously, but also I've been watching some of his recent games and he seems to make a LOT of interceptions, has superb technique on the ball for keeping possession in tight space. Work on his passing and the mental side of his game and he could be a cross between Ando, Toure and Modric!

Or does he not have the brain for it (not meant as an insult)?

Thorne

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Fletch is contracted til 2015 so he won't be going anywhere.

Dan

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I don't think he has the tactical nous to play as a cm.

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Syd

Wilshere runs the Arsenal midfield when he plays, which at the age of 21 and after 12 months out of the game is an unbeievable achievement. I think you are trying to discredit him for some reason, either that or you haven't watched him much recently? He's only played around 6 games since his really bad injury and is already running things for club and last night for his country. Whether or not it was a friendly is irrelevant IMO because we are judging him on all he has achieved in the game so far, not just last night.

Gav

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Gav, Wilshere has played 21 games this season and for the latter half he has been the best cm in the prem.

Dan

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Gav, Dan, I have said Wilshere is a top player and I would love him in our team. I just think people are getting a little too moist over him. He has played well since his comeback, but he hasn't played that well.

Sydney!

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07 Feb 2013 18:40:27
I hardly think wilshere would even consider joining united, he's arsenal through and through. He'a English and English players that play for big English clubs tend to be a little more loyal than let's say, the Dutchman

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In fairness to Syd, he did say Wilshere is a top player, I think he's just sick of people raving about him, which is fair enough as a lot of the praise is over the top.

Thorne

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U English are barking fairplay!lol 50 mil for Wiltshire you serious? A handful of good games he's the best thing since sliced bread. Don't get me wrong the lad got talent but there's loads of players I'd rather have than him. And the guy who said he better than Rooney at tha age can't ave seen much football because Rooney been winning games on his Todd since the age of 16

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Dan Fletcher can retire anytime he wants length of contract means nothing, he's not a well man and yes he did brilliant to try and comeback after 2 years out with a chronic illness, but its going to get to a point where the docs will tell him to pack it in, and that coudl be this summer. I'll miss the guy and always rated him, but health is more important and the club will support him. We have to face facts that a comeback is highly unlikely. Meantime the team still remains and the lad needs replacing, Wanyama and Strootman in and keep a watch on Wilshire.

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Thorne, Wilshere is a top player and his bursts forward is exactly what we are missing in the team, but until he can add 15+ goals a season to his game he cannot be mentioned in the same breath as Scholes. I think there are some on here who vastly overrate Wilshere. Top player, but still some distance from being a world-class footballer. He needs to add more goals and assists to his game.

Sydney!

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Wilshere has looked a top player for a long time it would seem some people are just starting to notice now.
the lad has huge potential but I can remember having this convo 18 month ago.
you could also the same about bale.

its interesting that that the op says "if anyone is worth 40 mill" because if hazard is worth 33, lucas 36, modric 35, pastore 36 the bale and wilshere are worth 40 imo
jred

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He's been in the pl team of the week nearly every week Syd in the most competitive league in the world. The praise speaks for itself. He is the only player in England that has the Scholes impact of making players around him play better, I can't think of a better U21 player in the world I don't care if that sounds like too high praise, I genuinely can't. Technically better than all the England team including Rooney and also extremely mature in his decision making for a 20 year old. He will only get better. The only other English players that have the potential (technically) to reach his level in midfield that I am aware of, are Powell, Hughes and Possibly Mceagheran (however you spell it). Powell and Mce. would also play further forward.

Dan

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Syd
what was scholes doing at the same age as wilshere.
you say his some way from being a worldclass footballer well tell me a 21 year old who is a worldclass footballer.

this isn't motd fever I've mentioned this before the lad is potentially a worldclass footballer imo
jred

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The OP says £40m or £50m. Neither are worth neither. Hazard, Pastore, Modric, Lucas were all overpriced. Wilshere is no better now than he was 18 months ago. I noticed his talent earlier than that, but people are going a little OTT. He still has some distance to go yet. However Jred, I am sure you would agree that it's nice to see a midfielder burst forward. We do need that driving force in our team.

Sydney!

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Scholes never got 15 goals a season playing as deep as Wilshere does. Scholes use to play off the striker in the same way that Rooney does now, but he dropped deeper as he got older. Cazorla is the one that should be getting 15 a season not Wilshere, that's like saying Roy Keane should have had 15 a season when playing in mf with Scholes and Butt.

Dan

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But until he can add 15+ goals a season to his game he cannot be mentioned in the same breath as Scholes
sydney!

you are aware that scholes only managed more than 14goals in a season once in his career.

is wilshere as good as scholes, no but I've never seen a 21 year old who is.
is wilshere the first young english player since rooney to have the potential to be world class imo yes
i wonder if you would be raving about him if he was a united player
jred

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Syd
but are they over priced or is that how daft the market has got.
it wouldn't surprise me if either player went for 40 plus, I know you don't rate him that highly but bale especially will go for a lot of cash imo
jred

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Wilshire is worth £25 million top, not 40 or 50, he is good but not worth that kind of money

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Dan

Forgive me, not sure what I'd been smoking when I said he's only played 6 games : /

Syd

You always go on about the 'british premium' which is why Wilshire and Bale would be worth such high figures. Not £50m perhaps but certianly £30-40m IMO

Gav

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08 Feb 2013 00:05:47
Scholes played alongside Keane in a 442 in his early years. Not once did he ever play behind the striker. He dropped deeper in his thirties. Wiltshire is a talent, but he isn't worth 40/50 mil, that's stupid.

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No worries Gav agree about the british premium. Spurs want 60m for bale apparently.

Dan

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Scholes played off the striker when we brought Veron.

Dan

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Everyone is raving about the need for a new center mid. Can you not see what Rooney is becoming? Over the past season or so he has lost that yard of pace and has improved his long and short range passing incredibly. He has dropped deep. When Scholes retires Rooney will take up the mantle. Maybe we need a holding midfielder to sit and protect our defense. but I believe Rooney is what we are waiting for, just give him a chance lads.

Deaddobbin

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Rubbish rooney will never be as effective as JW in the mid.

Gav,

i agree its a bit fantasy but you never know looking at arsenals record of selling past few years especially if they miss out on CL.

ms85

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I don't any player can match Scholes quality. In terms of goals, Wilshere centainly needs to up his game in terms of goals at least have average of 10 goals like Xavi and Iniesta, but rest of his games and even his attitude is brilliant (which at united is very important!)! If Moura, Hazard, Pastore is work 30m up!Than Wilshere is up there!

Part of reason why I said what I said is becoz the need of such players in our team. THE SCHOLES is leaving and if we want to continue to be the best, someone who has the potential, maturity, experienced and right attitude should replace him! I don't see any player in Scholes mould in our youth! Yes we have slightly different kind of players, very talented aswell in Powell, Daelhi, Januzaj. But we need a player like Wilsere! Now on the question of if we can get him, which I think is doubtful.
I am not Jumping on Wilshere's band wagon, but credit to where it is due. The boy is brilliant! We all know we need a midfielders atleast 2 if Fletcher choose to retire! Either we get a good player or we get the best out there to rightly replace the best ever!

Thank you all for input!

Ed thank you for correcting me about the age!


Red Samurai!

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08 Feb 2013 10:06:03
rooney isn't good enough to play centre mid his first touch is shocking. If we don't buy two top class midfielders to replace scholes and fletcher and drop rooney in there then that's a shocking money saving dodge.

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Anderson and Cleverly are just not good enough for united. one is too injury prone and unprofessional the other is far too negative and only passes back or sideways.

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Gonna be the next Scholes/Fabergas type player, superb player, everyone thought they wouldn let RVP Join though lol?

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10 Feb 2013 23:28:27
@CJ lol Schweinstieger coming off bench? Jez we would be spoiled then! We can dream on! LOL

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10 Feb 2013 23:28:43
@ms85
But Bellhenderson ain't worth 20m just like Carroll wasnt worth 35m, madness for home grown talent! Crazy just

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Sydney a players worth is what teams are prepared to pay for them. And any team will HAVE to be prepared to pay £50m odd for Bale I would have thought considering both the player and the kind of deals Levy does selling players.
In the case of Arsenal this may not be the same with Wilshire who you said is no better than he was 18 months ago and you noticed hima little earlier than that. well done, as soon as started playing anybody could see he was a top player. And yes people may have goen OTT (particularly commentators) over his performance against Brazil. However he doesn't have to score so many goals or assists to be a world class player, and that is something he can and in my opinion definately WILL become
Invisible STuey

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07 Feb 2013 11:03:51
Marca reporting today that PSG and United are both monitoring Angel Di Maria and are trying to find out his intentions for the summer.

Supasub

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Can't see him being a hit over here. Strong breathing makes him fall over.

Fresh!

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Post lost credibility once you said 'Marca'. translation RM want to get rid of DiMario so have told a journalist to write a story to ignite some interest.

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How can a sentence taken from an article in a newspaper linked to the potential selling club "lose" credibility? Doesn't make sense. Just thought I'd post what was in Marca for people's interest.
Your post actually has little if no credibility by lacking courage to leave even a name.

Supasub

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07 Feb 2013 08:24:55
Eds, is there any chance Vidal would be moving somewhere in the next window? Are any clubs monitoring him?

IBleedBlue {Ed002's Note - Vidal moved to Juventus after spurning good offers from Bayern Munich and Barcelona. If he were to come up for sale, I would suspect both clubs would still be interested.}

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