Manchester United Rumours Archive August 08 2012

08 Aug 2012 22:43:26
Sir Alex on RVP:

"We have made a bid and they've been trying to negotiate with other clubs," said Ferguson.
"I don't have a gut feeling on it at the moment, I must admit.
"We're not getting any breakthrough with Arsenal.
"It's difficult to say why they're operating this way.
"I don't know what their thoughts are because they're not giving anything away."
There had been rumours circulating prior to tonight's game that Van Persie was heading to Manchester for a medical.
It seems they were wide of the mark.
"I can't give you any more information," said Ferguson.
"We just have to persevere.
"We are trying our best and hopefully it will come our way but there's no progress at this moment in time."

RedDevilGirl

The 'Van persie is coming to Manchester last night' rumour was reported in the Manchester Evening News......so at that point I realised that, that wasn't going to happen. The MEN is the least qualified to tell you whats going on at OT.

J - Stand

When something is going on fergie talks bull he talked about Moura openly maybe known we couldn't get him maybe hopin city would jump on the band wagon and try snatch him from us leavin a deal wit RVP up to us but who knows ......

CAIN

08 Aug 2012 22:16:37
I am losing hope in Anderson. He tackles well, he can knock people off the ball, but offensively he is not good enough. He does not move into spaces well without the ball, he gives the ball away too often with ambitious passes, and we all know he cannot shoot. Despite that, I do think the players like him as being a good teammate and a fun-loving guy.

Other world-class teams have world-class creators: Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Ozil, Silva, Pastore, Modric.

Scholes and Carrick are excellent passers, but not as mobile going forward. I think Cleverly will help a lot in this area. Kagawa is also a big step in the right direction. I think most of us agree that Kagawa will not be in a 2-man MF, but more as the playmaker in a 4-2-3-1. It will be interesting to see who settles in as the #1 choices in the 2-man and 3-man midfields.

I back him in Carricks position. People say we don't have enough steel. There is a reason we paid 15m rising to 25m and I think we will see that this season.

Dan

It'll be even more interesting should we get RVP

J - Stand

Anderson is/was a great attacking midfielder. Had the skill to beat anyone going forward. Fergie has ruined him in his stubbornness of trying to change him into a defensive mid. It wont work, Unleash the lad in his natural attacking role to get the best out of him (like he did in his first season). Fergie has gotten this one wrong and need to acknowledge it.

Would like to see us go in for pastore he is at psg but he mite become available now there getting moura does any of the eds think this could happen

Psg and spurs are not world class teams

08 Aug 2012 21:22:14
Right well a few positives and negatives to take from that game.

Start with the negatives...Most noticeable but not necessarily important, PENALTIES wow we are bad first thing before the new season is somebody teach them how to score from 12 yards out.

Another negative has been similar to England in the case of ball retention. Most players can do it without fail but a few players really struggle to hold the ball up and work it in tight areas. BUT will be worked on as pre-season progresses and won't really be a problem.

Final negative,Mr Wayne Rooney. I know for a fact it's pre-season and will not be a problem in the league but when it gets to big games in europe i.e Barcelona he seems to go missing. In 4 or 5 games now against Barcelona he has done one thing (all be it came to nothing as we got beat 3-1)

Now after me posting miserable negatives lets get to a few positives...

Obviously fitness will have improved massively chasing Barcelona all game, it will help and will be a massive bonus going in to Everton on the opening day.

Numerous players impressed also, Valencia at right back was excellent at both ends plus linking up with Nani could be lethal especially in home games when teams sit back and defend against us. David De Gea (all be it Scholes got it) was my MOTM, made some top class saves and the trio of Vidic,Ferdinand and DDG will be one of (if not the best) back lines in the league. Anderson and Scholes partnership was also good in the midfield, against arguably the best midfielders in the world at present with Anderson breaking the play up tracking Messi and handing the ball to Scholes running the show once he picked the ball up.

fearny

Rooney is a player who needs games to get match sharp and fit more so than alot of players so seeing as it was only his second game of pre-season i wouldn't worry about it.

DDG was excellent. I still feel we're missing someone in the middle.

My biggest worry was we were still playing a more 442 against the best possession team in the world, if ever there is a game to play three in the middle it's against Barca. That should be tactic's 101, don't get out numbered in midfield against a team who are good at keeping the ball.

We'd be better off bogging down midfield meaning Barca are pegged back to a certain extent giving us more space then we are the better team at counter attacking which we should use to get us the goal/s needed to get a result.

This has been shown as the only way to beat Barca yet we still don't seem to see it. We need someone to come in who is a great tactician or we won't improve in europe.

Shappy

The last final we played against Barcelona in CL Rooney showed class when he scored our only goal. He's our best player by a mile so shhh...

Red Joe

Agreed Joe.
It's very early yet for Rooney, he's got to warm up.

Remember, we're always a worse team without him.

RedMist

Hi all

Long time reader / first time poster

Ok so Rooney is our best player by far attacking, and Vidic is without doubt our best defensive rock.

Rio is on his way out - lets be honest, and can Jones, Smalling and Evans fill the void, I know evans done great LS but he has been shaky against the bigger teams. I have seen Smalling turned inside out a few times and Jones reminds me of my brother playing football - keeping his eye just on the ball and heading towards goal. I think we will be ok till January in defense but this will need to be analyzed then should Rio's fitness decline.

Our Midfield is highly decorated but TBH we dont have the calibre of City right now as our best midfield player is PS, and at 37 how many games can he manage along with RG age is there biggest challenge... Nani, Young and Valencia Have the potential to be great but lack Heart L.B.H. I can just about tolerate Carrick with his on/off performances and Anderson has a lot to learn. Cleverly is looking promising but he is still young, but credit where credit is due Kawaga is a great AM and will defo do a bit of damage. I know NP is new but he too lacks XP in all competitions so to be truthful we really need a Midfield Maestro to cope with the likes of citys YYT who seemed to stroll through our midfield like a Sunday morning walk in the park.

We all no WR is in a class of his own tracking back to MF to make play ( what other FF does that in our team ) and unselfishly opening up play making goalscoring chances. I truly believe that WR is the new RK as he also plays with heart.

RVP will be a marvelous addition to our squad subject to being fit ( and not Injured ) him and Rooney will grow in leaps and bounds thus making our other FF players more eager to impress for game time all be it rotating the FF line up for all competitions.

So lets get real, we need RVP!! but really we need a CM/DCM to cope with YYT and come January have a great chance of a big FB player signing if SAF gets working on it now. I only say this should Lightning stike twice ( without Vidic fully fit, our defense is not immense ) And ye all too well know it.....

( I still question myself as too how we ( almost the richest club in the world, Bought with debts the length of a mile and other EPL clubs have the Sheik to laugh at us cause the debts were cleared with the AID OF A ROYAL )

Slate me and rate me ( Just don't hate me )

Another post talking h1t.

Look how many goals Rooney has scored against topteams in the EPL over the last few seasons. City, Chelsea etc

Maybe in Rooney laid of the fags then he wouldnt need so many games to get fit!
CardiffRED

Interesting debate on Rooney. Clearly, he can be a game changer and has incredible skill...but he does go missing. He's also rather full of himself which was how Beckham started on the down slope. He needs a season of consistent 9/10 performances, something he has so far failed to deliver

I can only assume that you don't want Rooney carefully enough. He is the talisman in almost all of our big games. He is our big match player. Time and time again in the crunch games against City, Chelsea, Arsenal he comes up trumps (check his records).

Fearny you are ever so swiftly becoming my most disliked poster. Everything you have to say is nothing short of brutal. Your rumours are usually a million miles off, speculative remarks laughable and now your match analysis (of a pre-season friendly game!) is the final straw for me! Do us all a favour and quit.

How about you leave a name after your comments please... would be most appreciated

fearny

08 Aug 2012 21:09:47
Really good performance I thought against Barcelona. We played really well, Nani, Kagawa and Valencia in particular looked so dangerous and they all combined well with Welbeck. Feeling very positive for the coming season.

One question though, why did we lose after missing just two penalties? We still could of won 3-2...

RedDevil19

Rules for that game was only 3 penalties each.

It was 3 pens per team, we missed 2 and they scored 2 so how the hell could we of won 3-2??

There were only 3 penalties for each team and we hit first.

Caolán.

For some reason it was only 3 pens each

Steve the red

Because it was only 3 penalties per team then straight to sudden death instead of customary 5 each.

Whitey

It was best out of three pens for some crazy swedish reason.

Btw how reluctant was the ref to not book Busquets?

I have to say i would love a Busquets at united.

Cban

The penalty shoot-out consisted of only 3 penalties not 5 :/

-JakeW

The shoot out was three pens then sudden death.

Shappy

3 pens each instead of 5.

G.A.G.U.S

I wasn't aware that was the situation with the penalties. And we do need a Busquets type player, but certainly not him.

RedDevil19 {Ed007's Note - James McCarthy............

After the first 2 pens, and rooneys miss in the game the other players did not want to suffer the same embarrassment so said fook it..

honest... !

Sorry ed007 mccarthy is a non starter for me he would turn into our henderson especially at the price i hear in the region of 20m

08 Aug 2012 21:06:42
SP say lucas deal is worth 43mil euro , 30 for the club 13 for agent family and player
jred

08 Aug 2012 20:36:27
Who is that new right back we've bought? Signing of the season isn't he?

REDFAITH

08 Aug 2012 20:26:02
Where have the Sinclair rumours come from btw ? Also just like to point out we've now missed out on nasri, moura and hazard within the space of a year.
Bp

Every club misses out on players. Don't think united are the only club not bringing in their main transfer targets.

Firstly moura was never a viable option
secondly hazard CHOSE chelski
thirdly sinclair would struggle to get in our reserves

And alexie sanchez to barca !

weststandupper

08 Aug 2012 18:43:30
PSG confirm deal agreed for Moura. Talk sport

Thank God for that. Another mercenary bites the dust. I hope we play PSG and kick his ass all the way back to Brazil.

Carryonvending

It's on the PSG website,another big name we have missed!

He's NOT a big name....He's done nothing yet! FFS get a grip!

J - Stand

08 Aug 2012 17:51:30
Just read that valencia will be wearing no7 next season which surely means no more wingers coming in as Lucas is only moving for moura money not for football reasons. Wish we would bring in martinez but being realistic imo until glazers sod off its just a pipe dream. Isco and rvp will boost us completely no 20 please.

Whitey

Valencia was announced as the new no7 before all this moura malarky....

Why is Moura only moving for money? PSG are the only team to have agreed a fee with the club, so where else would he go?
Invisible STuey

Valencia was given the 7 shirt around a month ago

Martinez quality player would love to see him in a united shirt however not sure he is quite what we need now someone more attacking, what about some of bilbaos more flare players, herrera, munain etc

08 Aug 2012 17:26:01
Mourinho said he thinks Khedira is the best at his position,he will not let him go

08 Aug 2012 15:08:46
If we use the £40 million original budget that we originally had and then take off the intitial £12 million for Kagawa and £4 million for Powell then we have around £24 million remaining. If £22 millon of that is to go on RVP then we have basically an empty pot that could perhaps get up to around £10 million after the sales of De Laet, Norwood, James, Berbatov and Park. That would have to go on a left back I would imagine so that discounts Baines but Izaguirre, Cissokho and Oveido have a good chance of coming in. Cissokho (or his agent) has once again recently stated that Cissokho wants to come to England so hopefully we have a good chance at getting him as he would be a good option I am sure.

Based on the budget that we have speculated about though, there doesn't seem to be much room for a central midfielder. I think Lucas Moura wouldn't of been included in the budget as he was a luxury expense that we would use funds from elsewhere to finance. So perhaps RVP and Cissokho/Izaguirre/Oveido are what we are looking for.

RedDevil19

Reasonable post, i think i'd choose Izaguirre over Cissokho purely because he looks better at going forward, something which Evra has managed to do very well. Either one though would be a relatively good value for money transfer.

Ozwald

Why do you feel to mention baines in virtually every post and second rate players were not interested in like izaguirre etc ? Give it a rest please you need to appreciate there are a lot better players who are on our radar! If we don't get them we will look at younger players ! Shandy

Go to the united section on transferleague.co.uk to find out the net transfer values so far. As it stands, by bringing in Kagawa and Powell as well as selling fringe players we are at a net spend of about 12m. take 5 off that for Berba leaving and we are on 7m. Add 22m for RVP we have about another 11m to spend. If you sell Nani for 25m it means we have over 36m to spend. Also we may get an extra few million if we sell Macheda. Anyway, Dont treat 40m as an absolute limit, the COO said around 40m which could be anything between 40-50m. If we dont get Moura I would like to see us go back in for Modric.

Dan

The �40 million was put to the transfer funds after Kagawa and Powell so we still have the �40 million plus the sales we recoup as it was planned to be spent on Van Persie and Lucas Moura

fearny

Any 3 of those would probably be more defensively solid than Evra. However Evra will still be number one choice, these will keep harmony in the squad better than a big money move for Baines as it would be hard to drop either Baines or Evra.

In all honest with the �10 million that we could raise and then �25 millio left of the budget after our current transfers, i'd put �35 million on Modric.

RedDevil19

40m was only put in to keep fans happy nothing more

Dustbin

He said net spend in the summer of 40m. That means that he is including the Kagawa and Powell deals.

Dan

Shandy, why would you want another young lb to stunt the development and progression of Fabio and Blackett. Stop making blanket statements that we should only buy young players and think of the bigger picture.

Dan

Why do people keep mentioning modric s**t player better out there and if we were in for moura and rvp then we must have more than 25mil to spend

welshy

08 Aug 2012 13:23:26
i have reliable sources from the club, the truth is with city leaching on to every GENUINE target we have, everthing is water tight, unless we want citys interest to use to our advantage ie the rvp case

it looks certain fergie is beavering away to get the right player in, intime for the season, but as weve seen in the past hed rather sign nobody than a second rate player

So let me get this right... The club is keeping everything quiet, yet you and your sources have been told about it. Must not be doing a very good job in keeping it quiet then

fearny

United always keep things close the there chests, which is why it was weird hearing Fergie talking openly about RVP and Moura.
Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Fergie pull a real surprise out of the bag. He has done many times before.

RedMist

08 Aug 2012 12:04:35
Morning all...
The MEN rekon we have won the race for RVP ,20 million and that he could fly back from germany as early as tonight.
Warrington Red.

My source told me this a few days ago, which I did post.

And now the papers are printing.

Looks like my source is going to be spot on again.

MANUTD1990

08 Aug 2012 11:52:56
few days back heard rave reviews about a guy from UAE-Omar Abdulrahman and micah richards praised him a lot.

Recently heard he his having his trials with noisy neighbours.

Thought could have been given a trial at utd. Could have been a good squad player

Victor J.

He destroyed uraguay 1st half of their game

08 Aug 2012 09:56:57
Ed002, can you give us some info on Berbatov's potential move to Zenit if you have it please? And do you have any news on anything United today? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I understand that firm offers for Berbatov from Fenerbahce and Lokomotiv Moscow were not as attractive to him as the offer from Zenit which I am sure will be accepted.}

Maybe getting him off the wage bill can start the ball rolling with firm offers for other players.

Ed002, thanks, any idea about the fee Ed? Is it close to the 8m euros you predicted months ago?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - We don' care about fees if you remember Syd. Most fans are not bright enough to understand.}

08 Aug 2012 11:54:20
interesting to see martinez agent saying the player would be open to a move away from bilbao

jred

Why, he has been open to a move away for some time now mate.

Sydney!

Interesting probably means he is tempted by a move to City, given the amount of money on offer

I would love to see him in a utd shirt.

Good to know. I know SAF admires the player. Eds do you know if any real commitment to signing him?

Dan

08 Aug 2012 08:53:41
Lucas Moura "Boring now"
With Nani & Valencia as our right wingers we don't need him. That money should be spent elsewhere.

Carrick needs cover, Evra needs competition, Scholes needs replacing.

Sahin can cover for Carrick & fill the gap (not REPLACE ) Scholes next season. Fergie is good friends with Mourinho & Real Madrid should sell to us once in a while. Plus they'll have the money for Modric then.

Oveido would be a gamble, he can cover LW also, just like what we wanted from Alba.

Angelo Henriquez needs to be bought now & sent on loan with our Deportivo Brazil lot to Holland when the season starts.

A lot of people are worried that Chicharito has been found out now, his control is woeful & he is caught off-side a lot.
Macheda may or may not be loaned/sold this or next season.

So at least 2013-14 we'd have Rooney, Welbeck, W.Keane, Angelo Henriquez, Chicharito?, Macheda?, King?

Sahin loan then 16m
Oveido 7m
Henriquez 3m
TOTAL 26m

This is more like the Glazer price range
10m more spent this August then 16m spent the next to secure Sahin. Hopefully another 20m to buy Lewandowski to replace Chicharito & Macheda.

I really like the idea of bringing Sahin on loan with the purchase option and would like to see us get RVP as I really believe this will bring on the technical ability of Welbeck and Chicharito

Lil pea suffered the second season curse if you perform well in your first season tryin to live up to that expectation is stressful plus he has had a lot of rest SAF will be awear of the offsides an that but no way is he a maybe the young lad will let loose this season him an Rooney up front kafs an cleverly nani an Toni feedin them it's gonna be a good season for the pea

CAIN

Totally agree about Chicharito, his ball control and passing is somewhat embarrasing and he does get caught offside an awful lot. Not sure whether he'll regain any sort of form but the only strikers we have that can do a good job is Rooney and Welbeck. Shinji helps with his ability to play as a second striker but i still think we're a little thin in the forward department. Maybe all this RVP talk will turn to reality?

Ozwald

What a Cracking post, if not somewhat jaundiced on certain players (Hernadez).

I too am fed up with Prima Donna players like Moura & Sneijder playing "silly buggers" on transfers. Either they want to join a team with more History than their tin pot clubs at present or 'sod off'.

David Gill & SAF will sort it, and will not be held to ransom financially.

There will be more 'chip paper' rumours but be assured we will get the best players that we need not just WANT!

Carryonvending

Biggest load of crap I've read regarding Hernandez.

Watch his game his control is shocking.

SUMMARY- I'd have Scholes hitting 50 yard passes over FK wall dummies. Chicharito can run past the line of the dummies and control the pass. That'll sort his off-side runs if he does that 2hrs a day.

Other than that I'd have Rooney smashing the ball at his legs from 20yards. He'll soon learn to control the ball then.

He certainly doesn't need shooting practice.

I cant believe the amount of abuse thrown at hernandez on this site, he spent a lot of last season injured, plus hes been on the go non stop for about 4 yrs (hes had this summer off for the first time in years) and he still out scored wellbeck last year from fewer starts. i would agree on the offside issue but his control is superb.