Manchester United Rumours Archive August 09 2012

 

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09 Aug 2012 23:22:43
Would anyone not like to see us buy Joe Allen?

For £10/£15 million he would be cheaper than the likes of Modric, Moutinho, Lucas Moura etc, and would be a good replacement for Scholes. He has obviously got great vision and an eye for a pass because the passing statistics he had last season didn't just happen by accident.
He's only 23 years old, so has plenty of time to improve and he'd be going into a better team, with some of the best players in the world e.g Rooney, Kagawa, Valencia, Vidic.
I honestly think he could turn out to be a brilliant signing if we did sign him.

Also, can any of the Ed's or regular posters tell me if there is any real interest in Witsel? Thanks. {Ed002's Note - There is.}

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Joe allen a replacment for scholes?? do i really need to answer that
trebbs99

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Liverpool are after him, that sas it all.

Ozwald

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Noone could ever replace Scholes, but I agree, I think Allen has real talent and an eye for a pass

Jake F

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He has said on his offical twitter account he i going for a medical tomorrow, I don't think he is what we need.

-JakeW

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Def not the type of player we need, not a bad player and will improve the scousers - But thats not exactly difficult right now is it! :)

Ren

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Allen is not bad, but is never going to be a world beater like Scholes. I think it just shows the limit of Liverpool's ambitions that they are chasing him around with their tongues hanging out.
Mike B.

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Joe Allen is a tidy player, but has very limited potential and does not have the "X-factor" so to speak. Would be no more than a squad player at United. Players like Petrucci, Powell and Tunnicliffe are not yet as experienced, but all have far more potential than Allen. Cleverley is already at Allen's level, but has far more potential than him.

Allen wouldn't be a progressive move, more of a lateral move.

Sydney!

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He would do à job Playing with those players but i dont think he would improve us.
Brendan

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Cleverly is better

Dustbin

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Think we already have a very similar and slightly better player in Cleverly. Will be a good signing for Liverpool though
Invisible STuey

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09 Aug 2012 22:51:23
Just read that a Portuguese journal is stating that we have made a 24 million pound bid for witsel and will be looking to match his buy out clause of 31.5 million .. Makes sense after losing out on moura.. Ed has predicted this all summer..thoughts?

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God I hope not.

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24million bid when buy out clause is 31 ?

Sydney !

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Why should this be when we have seasoned c.m 's like sahin, moutinho.martinez and modric

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I prefer unseasoned

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Been reading this site for a while and would like to post juve are not the club they use be and are in a bad league and sir alex as come out and said that about rvp because he wants the move to use because noisy neigbours are out the running so ferigie is saying that so rvp pushs the move on what u think eds ?? {Ed002's Note - I think Juve are back big time.}

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Mr Conti may not be for a while.

Pip

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Manager of Juve just been handed 10 month ban

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Agree with the Ed. Juventus in the late 90s were the best team in Europe. They certainly havent been anything like that in the last decade, but the last couple of seasons they are obviously making big efforts and strides towards getting back to something like that. They are still a long way short but they have some good players there now. As for Witsel if we pay £31m for him, in my opinion that is far worse than the PSG fee for Moura. He may have mor einternational experience and have proven himself in Belgium and Porto. But £30m+ fees are for players of outstanding ability. From what I have seen of him, he is a good player, nothing more. I hope there isnt any truth in this, not only do I think he is massively over rated, I rally dont liek him either. Would hate to see him in a Utd shirt for both reasons
Invisible STuey

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Just want to make you guys aware that £24m is equal to 31.5m Euros - there seems to be some confusion regarding the currency! Cheers.

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09 Aug 2012 22:28:16
With us missing out on moura and fergie saying we are light at the back, and we all know our central midfield could do with being stronger, surly javi Martinez would be ideal for us, what do you think ed ? {Ed002's Note - Don't hold your breath.}

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Its obviously not straight forward with signing any player but out of having RVP & Moura (who were so close).... I would instead rather have Martinez over the 2 of them to complete our squad for next season. Come on Fergie just pay the 30m for him!

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I agree that Martinez would be ideal for us. I also agree with the Ed that you should not hold your breathe. Can't see it happening (at the very least if we put in a bit, Sh*tty would gazump us with an offer we could not match).
Mike B.

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He said he wants to join Bayern Munich

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09 Aug 2012 20:00:28
I've been hearing "we missed out on RVP" but we haven't. talks have stalled, but no-one else is near signing him, so we're still leading the race to sign him.
nov00

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Or he could just play this year at Arsenal, Wenger will never sell him to us.

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Or he could just sign a new contract with Arsenal

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I really hope we miss out if the numbers that are being reported are true, i think it is mad to sign him. I would rather put the money to wrk on someone like munian, Rodriguez.

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09 Aug 2012 19:56:11
Ed's or anyone, has there been any developments in our pursuit of Moussa Dembele? He is probably the most accessable midfielder for us. He may not be glamorous, but he would be a powerful presence in our midfield who is forward thinking, much like Yaya is for City. I'd think £10 - £15 million would do the trick, players like this who are the quiet men are what makes a club great. Thats why we are so good I believe due to our quiet men like Vidic, Scholes etc. Dembele would be an understated transfer but he could be awesome.

RedDevil19

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The only reason utd are interested in him is because of his cheap price, its becoming a joke how we have to accept 'the cheaper option'. tom17

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Dembele struggled to shine at Fulham, god knows why anyone would think he would significantly improve our first team.

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Struggled to shine....are you kidding me - go look at his stats for 2011/2012 or actually watch Fulham play before making rash statements.

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Dembele is quality

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08 Aug 2012 22:32:51
A lot of talk going around Ed002 about Witsel going to Real Madrid, I remember you saying along the lines of us getting him or showing a lot of interest, can you shed some light on him? Many thanks.

-JakeW {Ed002's Note - They are pushing.}

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Whos pushing ed? Real or united? {Ed002's Note - Real.}

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Ed002 does this mean utd will not act on their interest or is it a case of benfica's asking price is way out of utd's price range? Thanks in advance tom17 {Ed002's Note - We will see. MU will not pay over the odds.}

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Does this mean madrid have pulled the plug on the modric deal or just witsel is a backup incase they cant come to an agreement with spurs. tom17

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In all honesty Witsel would cost around £20-25million right? So why not go in for Javi Garcia he is absolute class and would cost around the same. {Ed002's Note - He is not for sale.}

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Any player is for sale at the right price.
Bp

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09 Aug 2012 18:14:14
If any of the Eds are about, just wondering if you are aware if Ganso has signed a new contract with Santos or is it still stalling? Cheers in advance.

Andy {Ed007's Note - The contract talks don't seem to be moving along at all Andy.}

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He's another one that 45% of the sporting rights belongs to a company named DAS or something like that. Seems to me we should just leave these players in Brazil until they realise their agents are taking them for a ride, because all we are doing is pumping loads of money into these Brazilian clubs and agents pockets and they are learning from it.. hold out for more.

Tommy

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Sorry it's "DIS" that owns 45% of his sporting rights.

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09 Aug 2012 18:07:52
Don't hold your breath on RVP. Sorry for the copy and paste -

Van Persie agent's £4m demands threaten to derail Manchester United deal

The Dutchman's representative wants a big fee to take his client to Old Trafford as the Premier League runners-up waver at meeting the growing cost of a potential transfer

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Where have you got that from then... from the horses mouth?

RedKnight

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Pay it or risk losing out on a player we cant afford going to any other PL club, its as simple as that! Plus the fact that we are not scoring goals in the friendlies which is a worry.......

TotenRed

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To be fair that was that reported that! They are about as useful as a nuns feet!

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Makes me wonder what sort of person uses an agent that can derail a transfer purely for their own gain. I must be old because if I wanted a particular club I'd tell the agent in no uncertain terms.

Then again maybe these players don't give a toss who they play for its not like its peanuts

Pardoe

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''Where have you got that from then... from the horses mouth?

RedKnight''

The source, my friend, is about as reliable as the 'source's' and 'in the know's' that post in here. It's widely available on the net if you care to look. I did not claim anything myself. The edit chose not to post the originator of the article.

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Doubt it, probably just been thought up because it's the reason we didn't get Lucas. RVP's agent would know he'd get more money if van Persie was at United, supposedly earning £220k a week alongside Rooney. He'd get more money from us than any other club after RVP and wont get anything if he stays at Arsenal?

Ozwald

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09 Aug 2012 16:26:46
No one really brought it up last night but apart from the yellow card tackle... That was probably the best and most succesful tackles Scholes had made in one game.

RedKnight

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He has to play deeper and deeper the older he gets. People slate him for his tackling but it is only the timing on his sliding tackles that is bad. He makes a good few interceptions and steals if you watch games. He can't be a holding player though.

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That's not going to win us the league though

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Put it simply scholes is irreplaceable. had he been in the team at the beginning of last season we would have won the league.

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09 Aug 2012 16:26:10
E.d do you think kaka is worth a punt?
seen that lucas cost £35.5 million
and i believe that if we could r.v.p(Think he'll end up at madrid) and kaka for around 30million (22 and 8)this is a much better deal as it'll deal with the midfield problem and hopefully add to our goals. ( although they are quite old)

opinions/thoughts?

TRUMORS {Ed007's Note - Kaka is not the player he once was, I can see him doing what Ronaldinho and Ronaldo done and going back to Brazil.}

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Have you seen Kagawa... ? Don't need Kaka!

Ozwald

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To say he aint the player he once was is far from the mark the injurys he has had would weaken anyone from hitting peak form but having watched him against ac milan today he is still class injury free at the mo and just turned 30 could be on the up he is more of a pro than ronaldinho he has been unlucky with injurys and real must be the hardest team in the world to get back into if he came to us he could be amazing on his day he is in my opinon in the top five best players in the world on form better than van the man who is also worldclass would love to c them both come

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Are you serious? 30 million? Well I'm glad you're not in charge of the club. That's one of the worst ideas I have ever heard on here. Kaka would be lucky to bring back 10M with those wages.

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I think we need rvp and lucas but we don't need kaka and I heard that kaka has gone to
PSG and lucas wants to go to united even if his wages and price isn't matched.

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09 Aug 2012 15:42:57
just seen the quotes from Lucas' agent saying deal with United was agreed and just needed signing until PSG came in and Lucas was impressed with their "project".
is it just me who thinks the word project is a code word for money...?

Del boy!

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Reminds me of a certain Belgian toss pot.

GALWAY RED

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Their proect ends at the end of the season when they have lost as much as City and do not qualify for the Champions League now won't that be funny
ARB

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Didn't Hazard say the same about Chelski?

Andy

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Project has meant Money since Abramovic arrived at Chelsea.

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All the Oil clubs say project, they can't justify anything else - Heritage, World Fame, Childhood dreams, nah - just we are working on a PROJECT and the agent fills them with the lines - You only have a 15yr career, you need to get as much as possible financially and obviously if it works you may go down as winner of a few cups. No soul in the game, but football has just caught up with the rest of the worlds businesses, money talks and morals are for whimps! Gordon Gecko esk.

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Quote "You only have a 15yr career, you need to get as much as possible financially "

Should read You only have a 15yr career, WE need to get as much as possible financially

Pardoe

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10 Aug 2012 13:44:12
I find it incredible that these young players are so easily sold on words.

At their age, whether they move to Utd or any other top club they are going to be set for life. The matter of a few extra £'s is not the reason the deal was done.

In all fairness, many of us may well rather live in Manchester than Paris, but come on, a social-life is not why these players leave Brazil!

It is the "project", this manifesto, their mission statement, a load of old.. A project is exactly that, an idea of some sort to encourage and entice. No substance, no longevity. Simply a notion. History and importance seems to be lost on the current generation of players.

It just saddens me to think that there will be many more great players lost to the oil rich club's.

I just hope we don't end up having the heart ripped out of this club just in order to compete.

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09 Aug 2012 13:07:43
Any of the Eds have any kind of update with Victor Wanyama? Tried the search feature, didn't find anything recent! I know MUFC scouts as well as Arsenal scouts were meant to be at the game Helsinki vs Celtic? He's only 20 years old yet so mature and composed on the ball. Looks like a better prospect than Pogba to an extent.

Thanks in advance!

Ozwald {Ed007's Note - There is nothing new regarding Wanyama Ozwald, sorry.}

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Bond is it a possibilty or just crazy journo's?

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He got sent off didnt he

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No one can seriously be after him seen as he is now cup tied for champs league. They wouldn't have played him

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Maybe he'll be considered next year, see how he gets on in Europe. Cheers ed007.

Ozwald

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Wanyama is good but not good enough even though he has great potential in his career.

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09 Aug 2012 14:59:26
With Sir Alex's genuine concern about his centre back options for the start of the season, I fancy that we may go in for that young centre back that we have been looking at for the past few transfer windows. We lost out on Varane and have had interest elsewhere. I still fancy that we may look out for Joris Okore from the Danish League. He's 19 years old and is powerfully built and could be a good option for us. Personally though I would like to see Papadopoulous come in - he has good potential and would be a solid option. This could mean that Jones becomes more of a central midfielder or a right back.

RedDevil19

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We are unlucky with injuries at the moment but as SAF said we should be fine after 1 or 2 matches. Dont want to waste money on more centre backs when we have Rio, Vidic, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Wooton and Michael Keane already.

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Personally can't see it... With Vidic,Ferdinand,Evans,Jones,Smalling all be it three are injured if you buy another centre back he is going to be used for a month max. You also have to think what would Michael Keane and Scott Wooton think... Might aswell leave now if we buy another centre half. Not to mention Carrick has filled in and performed well there when asked

fearny

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What about he young Greek CB that plays for Schalke? Don't even want to try spell his name.

Ozwald

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I'd rather sign a left back, as already stated we have Wooten and M Keane, both have had decent pre seasons and maybe deserve a shot at it.

People keep moaning about not giving youth a chance well here's an opportunity.

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You wouldn't want that name on the back of your replica shirt, either need huge shoulders back or a healthy bank balance.

A

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Would be a waste of money for something that is a temp issue for one or two games

melwing28

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That Papadopoulous isnt that great - just does well on football manager after a few years - anyone remember Nii Lamptey?! haha.

We dont need a centre half, attack attack attack and a ball winning midfielder potentially. But Jones could step up.

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Why play Jones out of position? He's average in midfield and ok at right back, but will keep developing into a fine centre half if he gets to play there. Him and Smalling will be a quality partnership in the next five years.

If we keep moving him about he'll just become John O'Shea and we don't want that.

Andrew B

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Obvious red devil 19 sees things on a different level to the majority . Every day it's ' why don't be buy this average bum. Hardly transfer rumours if you put most the players you suggest on most other teams pages they would think you were taking the pish also ! Shandy

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09 Aug 2012 14:41:35
Maybe we're destined to sign RVP. In 2004 on deadline day we signed Rooney for approximately £20-30 million. 4 years later in 2008 on deadline day we signed Berbatov for approximately £30million. This year is 4 years on again and we're linked with another striker who could cost approximately £20 million. So maybe come deadlinne day we'll have RVP.

SK

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I just hope he is successful as Berbatov

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If we got RVP we will dominate man city and we might have of getting more glory with him.

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09 Aug 2012 14:16:29
reports in brazil say SP have confirmed that they will receive 30 mill euro for lucas 13.9 mill euro will go to the player as he owns 30% of his contract and to his family and agent.
jred

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That is extravagant for a 19 YO

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Ridiculous money for a 19 year old. Can't blame SAF, you cant even blame the Glazers for this one.

Dan

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09 Aug 2012 14:13:22
any of the eds, syd, or anybody else who may have info.
i was wondering, is it a case now of RVP or nobody. Because thats what it seems like to me, or do united maybe have a few more targets in mind. there are plenty of players out there that could improve our squad its just a case of is fergie interested in them or not. So basically im asking are we still in the market for some players or is it RVP or nothing. cheers in advance.
Trickee

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Fergie was looking at both Moura & RVP and was very confident getting Moura, with contract agreed he must of thought it was in the bag. He wants to sign RVP and i'm convised another player now. Hopefully Witsel.
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Cheers for the reply. Do people still think we are in the market for a left back? So many names have been banded about this year that its hard to keep track. I just dont know where fergie will go from here, especially if we miss out on RVP too. Im hopeful we will sign 2 maybe 3 more players but realistically i cant see us doing it. Eds anybody other than RVP you feel united may be keeping a close eye on? And do you think RVP will be a necessity or just a luxury signing if we get him. Cheers
trickee {Ed002's Note - One or two.}

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I know you have mentioned witsel on more than one occasion. So you are obviously quietly confident united are interested enough for you to name his name. Any other players who you believe united are interested enough for you to mention names like you have with witsel? Thanks in advance.
Trickee

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09 Aug 2012 14:03:03
"Smalling is out for three months," Ferguson told United's official website. "Jones got a muscle injury in his back and was sent home from Norway, so the area we're concerned about is centre-back.

"Evans won't be ready for the start of the season. He won't be far away, but he won't be ready.

"Smalling is out and I can't give you an update with Jones because we've not fully diagnosed that.

"But Michael Carrick was absolutely brilliant [in Sweden] with his passing the ball and his interceptions. He was fantastic."

carrick at CB for the start of the season me thinks
jred

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Agreed, Carrick played very well but as we have seen in previous seasons when he has filled in at CB he is a liability in the air, particularly against set pieces. My concern is how come year after year we seem to be short of CBs due to injury?

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Vidic and ferdinand, or are you forgetting our best 2 CB's?

Jake F

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Carrick centre half & Valencia right back... give Wooton & Vermijl a chance!

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He can cover CB no problem! Did it in 2008 with Fletch as the other CB and he also had to fill in there the beginning of last season after Vidic got injured. Think Wooten looks good for the future as does M Keane but who knows how they'll step up.

Ozwald

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Please, not another season with players in the wrong positions.
Carrick was a liability when he played at CB last year.
Pretty sure Valencia at RB is only due to us not having Rafael with us. He is so much better as a winger, wasted really stuck at the back.
RedMist

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Valencia would be sensational right back if we had a player to replace him on the right wing.

The guy's got a fantastic engine and seems to have a decent football brain. With a bit of coaching from G Neville on defensive positioning, I could see him really develop in that position. But then again, what do I know?

Andrew B

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Agree with above, what about Ferdinand and Vidic, jeez still our best two defenders anyway
Invisible STuey

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I don't get this though - Carrick has centre back due to injuries? every other team would play a reserve team defender on, he wont be experienced but he'll still have the defensive instincts more than a midfield player would, you cannot progress higher than reserve team level if you do not get a chance and injuries and suspensions are the chances that young guys have nowadays.

This talk of playing valenica right back is ridicilous, Tony is a right winger and is crucial for us at that position, how many goals have we scored with him taking on the defender and putting a good cross into the box, it is a rare thing to have a winger who can put a decent ball in unlike Lennon and Walcott etc.

Giants14

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09 Aug 2012 13:53:17
so are stating that Van Persies agent wants £4m......

will we pay this... NO...

I can not understand the interest in RVP given the total fee it would cost to sign him and pay him for the duration of a contract at the end of which we will not be able to sell him for very much..

given the fees quoted I would say the total cost of signing rvp on 4 year contract is going to be £65-£70mil

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What is with people always talking about making money from selling players we sign? would we not prefer to have players stay with us for a good length of time, or even finish their careers with us?

melwing28

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09 Aug 2012 11:19:27
lucas agent said united move was almost done untill psg came .

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Who cares now?

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Interested in the "Project" roughly translated "a larger sum of monies"

RRED7

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Lucas has already said that he will go to united instead of psg. I mean who would you rather play for the greatest and best and most historic team in the world or a non successful club. {Ed002's Note - On Wednesday night in Manchseter Ribeiro said he was surprised that PSG acted so quickly.}

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09 Aug 2012 10:30:49
The Glazers have a fundamental issue with paying excessive agents' fees. It's becoming a big problem for the club.
blame should go with the Glazers... United have narrowly lost out on a lot of big-name players because of such issues! miguel delaney

seen his name mentioned is this guy ITK

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Blame cannot go to the Glazers on this one, the deal was almost complete until PSG come in and offered silly cash. Lets not forget Chelsea, Real Madrid and Inter Milan all refused to pay over the odds for Lucas.

Sydney!

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I for one am glad we are not bowing down to the ludicrous demands of agents.
Moura - undoubtedly a skillful player but seriously 35mill plus??
Not even in the Brazil youth team? , not proven at any competitive level?
Have a think at what 35mill could get you.
Can't stand these united fans crying over marquee signings, most of you seem to just want the club to spend money for the sake of it.
We are the best team in the premiership ,lost out on the league because of 1 game against Everton where in all fairness we should have shut up shop.
Chelsea must have been 25 points adrift.
Worry more about what the team needs and in what areas of the pitch not signing a egomaniac caught up in the delusion his money grabbing agent has placed on him!
2 great signings so far, Vidic back , Rio looking sharp again , Kagawa will potentially be an amazing signing and I'm sure SAF will look to add more strength to the squad in the next 3 weeks.
Glazers ,glazers wah wah wah, grow the F;:k up , and count yourself lucky your not supporting the scousers!

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He is a world class talent no one can pretend he isn't. However, Brazil have players like this coming through every few years and throughout the world there will be another next year or the year after so no biggie. Perhaps this will open up a chance to sign Neymar next year instead...... He will only have 1 year on his contract and we dont know for sure if he will go to Real or Barca. I imagine he will have had fond memories playing at OT this summer....

Dan

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I'm glad fergie and utd refused to pay the alleged £6 million agent fee's and tbh i'd rather have someone who wants to pull the red of manchester and not concerned about his bank account like moura and his blood sucking agent

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The glazers have nothing to do with it, SAF decides if its worth it, and honestly do you think 43 million for an unproven 19 year old is worth it??

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Anyone who rushes to pay these ridiculous agent fees is clearly an person. People are very quick to spend other peoples money. It would be like buying a new house and paying the estate agent a quarter of the price for the privilege.

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The glazers and fergie are in it together thy want players at rock bottom price thy need to compete in transfere market to be able to compete on the pitch . we have been punching above our weight since losing cr7 dont expect any more signings before season starts

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The above quote doesnt mention lucas to be fair it says "a lot of big-name players"
jred

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I actually support the Glazers' position on this. It is madness and it has to stop. If big clubs refuse to pay these fees then it will make some headway. The market has to be reset for some of these players. The PSG fee for Moura is just plain stupid, and a bad investment. Even if he becomes a star, will he ever net more than you paid for him? Will Madrid or Barcelona or City ever come calling to bail you out? I don't think those days are going to be around for too much longer.

Buy younger players with potential and develop them into stars.

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09 Aug 2012 10:29:19
Real madrid offered a take it or leave it £30 mil for modric. United should offer £35 mil and get him. Is there any chance of this.

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I have been hoping that we were going to do that instead of spending it on Moura. Would love to have seen both but think Modric would slot in straight away

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I don't think there is a chance as he seems to want to move to spain and live there like many other players unfortunatley so I doubt it matters how much we offer.

Ste

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In a word no. Modric looks like he only wants Real. Sure Levy will find a way to make it £30m now but additional wonga if they win UCL etc.

Have thought this was a done deal for past 4 or 5 weeks now and still think it will go thru.

Halesini

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Well i think we are his second choice to Real and Barca but im sure he would rather come here than stay at spurs. It all depends on Madrid though, we would have to outbid them.

Dan

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Be realistic. man utd does not have that much money

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PSG have also signed Verrati as well as Lucas. Top quality player, the only player apart from Modric that could have replaced Scholes. We need Modric!

Dan

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From Ivanovic saying last month to ignore Real "and manchester united" it sounds like we could get a sniff if Real lose intrest. Hopefully they sign Witsel meaning we can go in for Modric.

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£35 million for Modric? Seriously? Better to spend £40 million and buy Martinez.

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Modric and Martinez are nothing alike. Ferguson is looking to replace Scholes

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If we had Carrick, Modric, Scholes, Kagawa and Ronney we would have ridiculous possesion stats!

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09 Aug 2012 10:26:48
Countdown to 'No value in the market' 22 days
gill has still not come out and said he's not receiving any money from the IPO yet

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If Mr Gill gets a bonus then good luck to him , he's a thoroughly decent chap and probably the best administrator in the game.

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Surely the position of the team in the league, and the value of the squad in general would be reflected in the take up of shares and subsequent company value ? In a nutshell, - what would happen to market value if we slip to thrid or even fourth. Surely the Glazers see this ? or do they ?

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That's probably because he is.
All the directors get an "incentive" payment.

RedMist

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Gill will probably recieve some sort of payment. This happens in all businesses and united are a business.

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09 Aug 2012 10:13:47
I think Lindegaard and De Gea are going be much stronger than last year. It looks as if they have a friendly and inspiring competition with each other.

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09 Aug 2012 10:10:36
Manchester united are to hijack Chelsea's bid for Andre schurrle using the funds that were available for Lucas Moura
Sparky

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He is Rooney junior and we already have Rooney. He is not the same type of player as Lucas.

Dan

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09 Aug 2012 09:24:58
BBC sport headline- 'van persie talks stall with Manchester utd.' The article is highlighting the issues we have with the£25mil price tag. This is being held out by arsenal as they want us to pay £5mil more ad we are a direct opponent and threat. Yes, that's right, they would sell him for 20mil to any non English club. As we want the £20mil deal there are problems which I'm sure will be supported out soon.

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Increasingly concerned the RVP deal wont go ahead. I think the player wants us and we want him but £25m for 29yo injury-prone although class player starts to look a bit dodgy. Especially when a 27yo Llorente may be on the market or a 23 yo Lewandowski.

Halesini

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Im a arsenal fan and want rvp to stay. But i think its crazy ur club is considering paying 20 million plus for a 29 yr old who gets injured often. Surely u can spend ur money elsewhere lol

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Best news of the day. 29 yrs old, injury prone, dutch mental / ego problem. stay off.

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09 Aug 2012 05:23:14
My Dad lives in Spain and says there is talk that Nani will go to RM with Kaka coming to Utd. I don't know who true this is or how likely it will be to happen. No reason to lie, Blackpool supporter. Just wondered what people's opinions on this would be? Seasider87

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I couldn't see Nani leaving unless it was stupid money, Fergie likes him too much, and on his day he is one of the best in the world, but admittedly he can be very inconsistent. And also I can't see us wanting Kaka, he is world class, but not the player we need.

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Hopefully not, he is past his best and our priority should sit with a solid CM - Martinez (Although highly unlikely)...... Nani on his day is class, lets hope Fergie hands him a new contract and a right boot to the a55 for this dseason!

Ren

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I would only be happy to see Nani go if we were getting an immediate replacement in Rodriguez. And under no circumstances whatsoever would I be happy to see Kaka here.

Gar

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You must be having a laugh, we would not trade one of the most talented wingers in the world in his prime for an old player whose best days are in the past.

Nani looked one of our best players against Barca, except Kagawa and Scholes. He wont be going anywhere especially now Moura has been hit over the head with a brick and decided to join PSG.

Ozwald

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You guys should have seen kaka play against ac milan yesterday. Came on as a sub and got 3 assists.

Looked like his old self again!

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If this is true i would think kaka would b amazin in mid along side anderson coz they r both in the brazilian squad but still even if kaka came we would need another great foward to keep man city at bay

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Id take kaka, and about 25million, because kaka is 32, he's already past his best.
duggo

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We don't need an AM at all with Kagawa and Powell already coming in. If Nani goes we need a wide man, not CAM - so wouldn't make sense to me

Gav

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Kaka, no, more like Khedira, which wont happen, so no. Probably just a cash deal.

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Was just relaying word going around. I though it may have been RM fans in hope more than expectation, was keen to see what Utd fans thought of this deal though. Thanks Seasider87

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09 Aug 2012 01:22:54
Isnt wanyama cup tied for champions league so cant see him leaving celtic

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He can play in 1 preliminary qual. round and not be cuptied.
brendan

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Don't know why you would want him. Not of United quality. He is one of those players people become obsessed with like Fellaini, for some unknown reason, who is just not as good as you imagine he is.

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Plus, we won't ever buy African players because of the African Cup of Nations, and I agree with that policy.

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09 Aug 2012 00:14:00
People need to understand that agents play a huge part in modern football and they're not going to go away either so there's nothing that can be done except move with the times or get left behind. If United want to remain successful they will have to sign or produce the worlds best players but they wont get near them until they realise that football agents are a necessary evil and start dealing with them and paying their wages, no matter how overpriced they are.

Flimbo

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Uefa will have something to said about that in near future...this is going to kill the sport and they know it!

It's very complicated thing to applicate, and i am not sure they will find solution, but anyway they have no choice but to look at it!

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FIFA should insist that football agents use the same payment system as those in American sports leagues. Depending on the sport, agents receive between 2-10% of the players income (salary, endorsements, etc) but nothing from player movement. Agents should not be involved in sales until the contract negotiations. Granted, player sales are rare in American sports when compared with trades or free-agents (Bosman), but the system is far better, the agents still get paid well, but it doesn't mess up the whole system. -KG

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I think the solution is simple, why not every club have a players agent that looks after all the players at that one club, and all agents can only recieve a certain percentage of a transfer fee . Solution solved :)

Winston

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Flimbo's telling Fergie how to be successful!
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Agents don't own the game.
Pay them what they want? are you serious?
How to worsen an already out of control problem!
FIFA/UEFA, the clubs need to act to take control away from agents, not give in to their every demand.

If players can be that empty headed that they will allow greedy leaches to make career decisions for them, then good luck to 'em.

I'll take a player that think for himself, a player that wants to play for us, any day of the week mate.

RedMist

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Yes agents do play a massive part in football these days, they cause chaos everywhere they go , they unsettle players and with their delicate egos it is isn't long before a team is split, Fergie knows this.....in a way he is the last bastion, refusing to bow to the demands of these bloodsuckers, Fergie is trying to build a legacy. He wants a player who has pride in the jersey not pride in his pay cheque.
'At UTD the money will find you'

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Disagree. Whilst it is disappointing to see we have to accept that clubs backed by bottomless pits of money will always outbid us. If we bid £35M for Moura, PSG would simply have bid more. Same for City, Zenit, Chelski. We are no longer the wealthiest club and I'm with Fergie. Let's grow our own, something we seem to have gone backwards with recently.

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Funny how Platini has nothing to say regarding fair play rules when one of his own countrys teams goes on the lash.................the amounts quoted for Moura were unbelieveable..................come on Fergie, get Loriente & Javi Martinez

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Yeah it wont go on for much longer. It's ridiculous and its gotta stop! What about financial fair play? That would surely have an effect?

Ozwald

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Financial Fair Play was brought in for greedy people like Ribeiro (among other things) who are "oblivious" to the current economic climate. Football can not sustain this kind of spending, it is only logical to align its financing to other industries. How do you justify an outlay of nearly &euro100m for an unproven 19-year-old? Sir Alex is right, this is total madness.

James.

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Manchester united and sao paulo had a deal in place and a contract written up, the only thing left to do was to get lucas to sign it, but at the last minute PSG director Leonardo called his agent to speak to lucas personally, info provided by sly sports ... i think we should go for cissokho as he is a class act, RVP is just a waste of money, if everything went right we would still only be getting maybe 1 or 2 good seasons out of him, the money is best being invested in bringing in a LB and a holding midfield player, rant over.

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Wagner Ribeiro has said that, "The contract was ready and only had to be signed". And then "apparently" Leonardo came in and is a Brazilian and was "gentle" with Lucas and persuades him.

I can kind of agree that we need to move on with agent fees, however 250 k a week for a 19yr old, supremely talented yet inexperienced player is day light robbery.

Lucas certainly is a miss, however considering what he finally went for.. i think its alright. I hope a 12m Kagawa sparks us to Number "20". No one would complain then.

Deeps...

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KG - completely agree. The US system works well and forces the agents to work in the long-term interests of the player. It's probably one of the reasons why player trades are rarer.

Football is self-destructing at the moment. The fees and wages being quoted aren't sustainable over anything more than the short term. Any significant upheaval in the middle East would bring the whole thing tumbling down (and wreck City and PSG).

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Couldnt FIFA just implement a rule where agents receive a set % of the transfer fee, say 10% for instance?

So if a player costs £25m the agent get's £2.5m. If a player costs £40m the agent get's £4m.

This still allows agents to make good money but makes the system a lot more transparent i.e. the buying club will know in advance how much the agents fees will be on top...so we won't get to a situation where a fee is agreed with the buying club just to find out the agent wants an additional £6m and keeps whoring out the player until he gets it!

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09 Aug 2012 00:04:20
Do you guys not think that with the club becoming public it will force the glazers to be more active in the transfer market in order to keep up with the others. Let's face it if we don't do well the stock price tmwill plummet, this is not a good thing for the glazers.

I dont think this IPO is as bad as most of us are making out, could be a way for the glazer to attain a fair value of the club and then push for a full sale.

Hoping for the best...

TrueRed

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Also hoping for the best TrueRed, but i fear the worst.

Think the Glazers will milk this plump cash cow for a good while yet.

IN answer to your question, im not sure that 10% of the company going public(ish) will make the Glazers invest in the team, given that how the money raised from that 10% flotation has mostly gone into the glazers pockets and not been invested in the team, or more importantly paying debt. That kind of sets a tone for me.

Hope im wrong.

RedMist

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IMO the Glazers are testing the water in the American market to see how well (Or how much of a demand for the club there is) If alot (e.g for the 10% Valued at 300 million reaches its target cost then the club is therefore worth 3 Billion) The Glazers will have reached a "Fair value of the club",they will sell. I think they have been looking from the start to line their pockets by buying the club and selling it when it gets to much of a burden (cost to run) or more profitable to sell on than to run. This is just my Opinion. The glazers dont see united as a team but as a money making business to keep them rich for life. The sooner we are Rid of Glazers the better.
Sorry for any bad spelling on this one, I am a tad drunk, lol.

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The Glazers are the worst thing to happen to Utd in all it's history. The sooner the whole club is floated, the better.

Andrew B

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08 Aug 2012 23:52:09
RVP is not a certain deal by a long shot, SAF has admitted that. expect the deal to go to deadline day, and hopefully we'll find we have already signed another player who will be world class in a couple of years.

Jake F

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I posted the other day that RVP was scheduled to be in Manchester in a few days for a medical, this came from a Snr Player as RVP has apparently been speaking with a few of UTD players about the proposed move.......... Looks like he may need to force things at his end to get Ars'enal to allow the deal to go through.

Ren

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08 Aug 2012 23:41:46
Bit strange that when Vidic went off Rio got the armband, then when Rio went off Ev got the armband. Is Baines still on?

Sydney!

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I think we have phoned Everton to ask for a price and the situation is they want over 15m and we want 12m. If something does happen then I believe it will also be a deadline day transfer. I think Witsel/Modric/Martinez should be our focus now. Does anybody know if why might use the moura money to go back in for Modric? He would be better for us anyway and Real seem to have reached their 30m limit. 35m might do it.

Dan

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How does that make sense? Rio would have the armband over Evra as he's played in all games so far. The reason it was passed on to Evra last season was because he was meant to start every game, which he did. This season Rio has started every game and is looking fit.

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Theres alot better players out there than modric to over rated imo people like him not my cuppa tea chould get better player for less he wants madrid but madrid wont budge on price y do we want a player when he doesnt want to come

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Vidic is the club captain, Rio previously was but was injured too often the past 2 seasons thus it was passed to Vidic. Evra had is last season as both Vidic and Rio were not always in the starting 11.

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08 Aug 2012 22:21:31
If Ed002 is around and doesn't mind answering....

The recent quotes that SAF has said in the presser tonight implying that he is persevering over RVP but Arsenal are playing hardball (more or less) - is this roughly your understanding also? From that sounds of it, it appears this could go on for a while longer?

Cheers

Rudderpost {Ed002's Note - I reckon it will be nailed real soon.}

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I think RVP will be sewn up soon. Still doesnt address the problem of a solid DM though. Can we get through another season with Giggs, Shcoles, Carrick, Anderson, Cleverly? Surely need someone more solid int there

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002, what do you think will be the outcome? Arsenal/United/City/Juve? Who do you believe, or would it be a guess?

MPez {Ed002's Note - One of the first two.}

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