Manchester United Rumours Archive December 09 2012

09 Dec 2012 18:38:24
United will be making an new offer for Baines this week'; Sources informend us . United will go all out for Baines this January .

WINNER2013

09 Dec 2012 15:27:18
hope thats the end of the rooney is a CM.
give him and RVp a run of games together and they could be special add a top class cm and it could be very special.

also great game , glad tevez never started
jred

I do not think anyone on this site wants Rooney in midfield mate. He is best in the hole where he played today. This of course didn't stop him from moving into midfield on several occasions today, but he got into the box more than usual today and that is why he got his goals. He needs to play more positive in future and needs to get as motivated for the less popular games.

Sydney!

Agreed. I like to think Rooney could drop further back in to midfield as he gets older but the way he played today is perfect for him. If we could get Jones or another solid DM along side Carrick or Cleverley then I dont see why he couldn't play the way he did today in a 4-2-3-1. RVP is always gonna be the main striker though.

Dan

As long as we play with same passion we'll be fine. Great result.
NoMidfield

The only player who i think let us down today was valencia, since he has had the number 7 he thinks he is ronaldo! Running into trouble and trying to take everyone on all the time. What used to be so good about him is the fact he never gave the ball away but his decision making at the min is poor.

But that aside rooney should be allowed to play where ever he wants as he can play anywhere and playing with that freedom makes him even better.

With vidic back and almost ready, smalling and jones getting minutes on the pitch and nearly back to full fittness and kagawa almost back we are in good shape to kick on in the league.

Syd
i thought people had been saying he had lost his pace and was past his best and that fergy now saw him as a midfielder.
jred

Jred, I can only go with what I have said and Rooney has lost his pace and I believe we have seen the best of him as a striker. That being said I would prefer to see him in the hole than in midfield. I just think the manager has plans to move him into midfield early OR plans to offload him in the summer. I genuinely do think the manager is on the verge of signing Lewandowski and that of course would mean Rooney's future as a striker is in doubt and with his contract talks soon to take place I think we may see him being offloaded in the summer. I would prefer him to stay, but what I want is irrelevant.

Sydney!

How do you know that rooneys position is in doubt? why not hernandez or welbeck?

Syd
have you got any kind of inside info that tells you that united are going to sell rooney.
or is it just a case that you like lewandowski as a player and the only way you can see him coming to united is if we sell rooney.

also you said rooney has lost his pace well to be fairhe never looked that slow yesterday, covered the ground very well
jred

"Sir Bobby holds both records so that's a great challenge,"
"The guy is a legend and is such a presence around the club. If I could break his record as Manchester United's top goalscorer and maybe even England's. That is such a great incentive.

"I want to play as long as I can and to have shared a dressing room with the likes of Giggsy and Paul Scholes is inspiration to do just that.

"At least another 10 years would be great."

"I can see myself one day moving back into midfield - I can do it - but I'm not ready yet. I'm a centre-forward and I score goals," he said.

"I feel I have plenty of goals left in me. I'll play in midfield if I have to and I have done so at United, but goals are still my main aim and the biggest part of my game."
doesn't really soundlike a player thinking of leaving or playing cm any time soon
jred

Sydney just chats loads of nonsence most of the time, you know nothing why would we sell Rooney?

Like I have said on several occasions Jred, It's my OPINION that I think we may cash-in on him this summer. I have never once said I want to sell Rooney. Just that one way or another his United future will be sorted this summer. I also think what Rooney says to the media is irrelevant. Rooney may well want to stay, but if he goes then I think it will be the club's decision, not his. Hope he stays and we sign Lewandowski, but I have a feeling (just a feeling so don't get your knickers in a twist) that the club could cash-in on him this summer as apposed to giving him a new deal.

Sydney!

Syd
but i see lew as a out and out striker and rvp does that job for us , rooney as well as goals gives us creativity so selling rooney and replacing him with lew doesn't make a lot of sense to me as they are not like for like players.

do you still think fergy sees him as a CM as you said last week , also the issue with " his lost his pace" i thought he looked quicker on sunday could it be that after 2 injuries and illness he is starting to get back to full fitness.
jred

The best quality both of them have is that they can turn a game,� said Ferguson.

That is an important feature. It doesn't really matter if they have a personal combination, it is their ability to finish moves off.

We have a pair of really top players who can finish and change a game.

The strength of our team now is definitely in the forward positions.

We have good alternatives, with Wayne, Shinji (Kagawa), Van Persie, (Danny) Welbeck and (Javier) Hernandes"

it doesn't really sound like fergy is thinking of changing our attack either
jred

You just answered your own question jred, Kagawa is a replacement for Rooney in the hole. Even Rvp can play in the hole and Lewandowski as the out and out striker. I do think the manager has been considering playing Rooney in midfield and this season is proof of that. he plays best in the hole IMO, but the manager has had him playing a lot deeper this season. Hopefully the manager will leave him in the hole now as that is his best position. The manager knows that we need a Scholes replacement and I do think he has used this season to see if Rooney could be that player to replace him. RE Rooney's pace, I have made it very clear with what I have said, Rooney has lost his burst of pace that he once had (not saying he is slow), just not as quick as he once was. I also believe we have seen the best of Wayne Rooney. I have no doubt about that.

Sydney!

There is no way fergy is going drop Rvp deep to accommodate lew
Rooney has been playing deep due to injuries and a lack of creativity in midfield
Kagawa going to replace Rooney well he will have to vastly improve cos he has struggled so far
Rooney is still quick and the burst of pace wasn't his biggest asset
At the moment our attack is scoring goals for fun I would think fergy would be more concerned with other areas of the team.

As for Rooneys best days are behind him well he got his highest tally of goals last season in what most fans would agree isn't our best team and he played in several positions. I wonder how many he would of got with a top clas midfield behind him.

How many goals would lew of scored in that team last year , would he of been happy playing all over the park.
If we bought lew and he scored 34 goals was top scorer in the league like Rooney was I sure you would be raving about him.

Some times people don't appreciate what they have until it's gone , cows and fields and all that
Jred

I have never once said that I want the club to sell Rooney and I have never said he isn't appreciated.

Kagawa has scored twice and has three assists in eight appearances being played out of position.

None of them were penalties or freekicks I might add.

Sydney!

I just don't see it syd Rooney seems happy at the club has a new kid on the way and I can't see him moving abroad
I can't see why the club would want or need ti sell him
Jred

Moving to Paris would be a breeze, It's an hour flight away and his missus could launch her career over there. Rooney would pocket an extra �100k a week and a monster signing on fee. Besides I think what Rooney thinks is irrelevant. I am sure he would prefer to stay, but I think the club would seriously consider a big money offer from PSG if one arrived. I think there is more chance of him staying, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him leave this summer. He has two years left on his deal so wouldn't need to up his salary. It is well documented that the manager and Wayne rarely speak. He struggles with fitness and that will get harder as he gets older. Being 27 would mean his valuation would diminish from now onwards every year he is at the club. Rooney selling for �50m would of course fund two big signings. It would mean the manager will have a substantial amount to spend on the team in the summer. It is certainly more beneficial to sell him this summer than to sell him at a later date.

Sydney!

You could say that about any player if psg put money on the plate for any player united would think about it
Would you of cashed in on ferdy at 27 or vidic at 27
Like I said syd I just don't see it.
Also you are aware that it is widely reported Rooney has a 30 mill break in his contract
Jred

Widely reported LOL, nonsense you mean.

Sydney!

Syd
Lets see who's right at the end if the season bit like evra last year
Jred

Jred, can you read? I have said that Rooney is more likely to stay than not. I guess you pick and choose what you want to read.

RE Ev, I did expect Ev to be replaced last summer and I believe that was the plan until money ran short and Everton were difficult.

It wasn't just a shock for me as Baines himself expected a bid from United. Clearly we had contacted his agent and laid down the foundations for a move.

And before you mention it was just paper talk, let me remind you of your 'widely reported' comment in an earlier post ;)

Sydney!

Syd
Baines himself has said it was paper talk Everton said there was no contact
If you don't think Rooney will leave why have you gone in about it for the last month
It sounds to me like your trying to cover all the basses
You have argued a lot of points why he could leave but not one why he could stay
Jred

Baines would have been well aware of United's interest in him via his agent. Obviously he cannot mention his agent so using the media linking him to united would have been his only way of expressing his shock of no United bid coming in. Everton apparently give United two quotes and both were unreasonable. Of course that is just speculation albeit from credible sources.

I have said on many occasions that I believe Rooney will end up staying, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see PSG bid in the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see us accept the offer and I wouldn't be surprised to see him move to Paris. I just think it's more likely that he will stay.

Sydney!

Do you still think Brady or Blackett will be Evra's back up this season? Or was I correct in saying that Brady was a stand in just for the tour and that he will go out on loan to Hull this season as a winger? Didn't I say that Blackett isn't ready and will need a couple loans first? I said we would buy a LB, just thought it would end up being Baines. I still think Baines is the player to replace Evra and I think it was the RvP deal that made the Baines move unlikely due to money running out.

Sydney!

"Sydney", for a person that spends so much time voicing their opinions on a football site, you really know little to nothing about it. Man Utd will not 'cash-in' on Rooney at the end of the season. He will be the beating heart of the side for a few years yet.

Ironically, on this occasion, your opinion is wrong.

Barry

09 Dec 2012 14:06:16
Just another reminder to the dillusional let's sell Rooney haters ! Just surpassed sir Bobbys derby scoring record and equalled the all time record in Manchester Derby's Fact Shandy !

Just going to post something similar, Ashley Young and Cleverly are up for this not also.
45 mins to go, hang on in there boys and calm my nerves by getting a third.
Flyhalfmitch.

2-0 is always a dangerous score for us so i hope we keep the same intensity and concentratin for the second half.

09 Dec 2012 13:08:10
Starting XI for the Derby: De Gea, Rafael, Ferdinand, Evans,Evra, Valencia, Cleaverly, Carrick, Young, RoOney, RVP

Subs: Johnstone, Jones, Smalling, Giggs, Scholes, Hernandez, Welbeck.

yash(INDIA)

Rooney is going to be the key.
he must not drop too deep and leave RVP isolated.
We need him as a threat further up the pitch!

Jonny8

09 Dec 2012 00:20:47
First time I've seen young Will Hughes from Derby. He looks a skilful, intelligent player for such a young lad. Eds, do you know if ourselves or any other top flight teams have shown any interest in him?

Personally I'd never heard of him until I was watching the Derby/Leeds game, and some of his creative play was excellent.

StevieK {Ed001's Note - he has attracted interest from United recently, Liverpool have been watching him a while too. I am told Arsenal had interest as well.}

09 Dec 2012 00:00:31
what do yhe eds think about cabella and bligia you could get both for about 15m along with zouma for 10 m good bit of business {Ed002's Note - Cabella continues to interest from a number of clubs but the summer seems a more likely time for a move. Fiorentina, Lazio and Arsenal have enquired after Biglia. Anderlecht rejected an approach from Parma last season but I suspect he could well move this winter, and there may well be interest from other Italian clubs. He has, on a number of occasions, expressed an interest in playing in Spain but previous interest from Real Madrid seems to have waned.}