Manchester United Rumours Archive July 09 2012
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09 Jul 2012 22:39:30
Reports suggesting Moutinho to travel to England this week to hold talks with Man Utd and Tottenham.
If this is true Moutinho would be a fool to choose Spurs over Utd
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I hope that he is coming in for talks, I think if SAF can have face to face talks with him, like we did with Kagawa, then a deal for him with us becomes much more likely. Hopefully the deal will be about £20 million, £10 million of which could be recouped by the sale of Anderson to Benfica.
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Why? He knows avb, he'll get 1st team football. London attracts a lot of foreign footballers. Fair play if he does, think he'd win more at us though.
Sanshine
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Gazza did how stupid was that
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09 Jul 2012 21:52:57
Modric has gone to Madrid. I guess we have other targets?
United Till I Die 1987
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I think Modric was bid for but we've accepted he wanted Madrid more hence we've pulled out a few weeks back. Combination of Modric lusting for Madrid and Levy lusting for £40m are sure to have put Fergie off.
I am hoping the Moutinho bid is not just paper talk. He would be a great signing for us (based on him being the engine behind Porto's back to back titles and Europa League success and not just a few games at Euro2012!).
Halesini
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Modric Hasn't gone anywhere. Spurs are not even talking to him till next week. RM can't afford a cash deal which is what Spurs want and keep coming up with player exchange deals-be very very surprised if he goes to RM
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09 Jul 2012 21:58:03
Interesting to see reports that hint that we will make our move for Moura now that he has had contact from Inter. This also has interesting implications for the club, the only way I can see Kagawa and Moura in the same line up is if Kagawa is destined for a central midfielder birth. SAF may choose to play him in the centre with Moura more advanced. We'd have to see how that goes. Kagawa works hard and holds the ball well, but i'm not sure on his tackling abilities. Some will say that Moura will kick Nani out the club, but I am convinced that he will stay. He may replace Anderson I suppose? Nevertheless I would much rather see Lucas Moura at the club than I would van Persie.
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I would tend to agree with you there about Moura, while Van Persie would really bolster our attacking, I reckon Moura will definitely be a world class attacker aswell, add that to the fact he is so young and its a no brainer BUT I would definitely take Van Persie if Moura decides to go elsewhere.
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Dont forget that park has just left for QPR so there is room
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Moura is more of a winger than a behind the striker player this could well mean nani could be on his way or you are right we wont no but it would be one hell of a good head ache to pick from i think hope it is true
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Doesn't Moura play on the right? I'm not suggesting that he's a winger but every time I see him play, he's towards the right touchline. I don't think we would need to get rid of anyone. Our formations could look like this:
________De Gea
Rafael Smalling Vidic Baines
_____Carrick_Scholes
___Moura_Kagawa_Nani
________Rooney
When we play Valencia and Young they can act more like wingers, and Kagawa can become the second striker. But this formation would be brilliant!
Joe
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09 Jul 2012 21:42:24
Anybody made an offer for Nani yet? Been told that united are trying to off load him - but only outside of the premier league but that he will go this window
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We are not trying to get rid of him, I have been saying this all along. He is close to signing a new deal with the club. His love and commitment to the club is just what we need from our quality players.
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09 Jul 2012 13:30:40
Question for Ed001 if he is knocking about? Heard anything regarding Baines?
Sydney! {Ed001's Note - sorry Syd, was busy all day today so only just got to this. As far as I am aware Everton are only willing to deal if they get a replacement, they don't have anyone for left back right now.}
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Pranjic can play LB, do you think he is being looked at for LB? They still seem to be interested in Pienaar so they clearly do not want Pranjic for LW. They have plenty in central midfield and have bought Naismith so is Pranjic for LB? Played there well for Bayern.
Sydney!
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Players out for united ferdinand weve got smalling jones and evans evra for baines and the young brazil lad thats on loan anderson young hernandez did nothing this season as regards transfers we will loose out on all of them because fergison will try and get targets as cheap as he can and loose out to other clubs im affraid it will be another pot less season
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09 Jul 2012 18:43:18
United are caught up in Midfielder logjam which may ultimately involve many clubs. SAF's first choice is clearly Modric, But it may be some time before that one is resolved-the player is wanted by a number of other clubs and there are issues regarding the transfer fee and Spurs desire to replace the player before selling him. Spurs have been linked with Moutinho who is probably United's second choice. The danger is that Utd allow Moutinho to go to Spurs or elsewhere and then fail to get Modric. To be fair there are a number of decent alternatives, though SAF would clearly prefer one of Modric or Moutinho. I can see this going on for at least another three weeks and maybe longer. Why is it always so difficult doing business with Spurs?
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We ain't getting modric, get moutinho before smarmy levy gets his hands on him, it's a double whammy in that we beat levy to moutinho and the fee he gets for midrib reduces as Madrid are then the only seriously interested party
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Because they're no longer a 6-10 team, but a top 4 contender. They should hold out for the best offer they can get, the problem is that United can no longer give the best offer thanks to the Glazers. -KG
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Its simple spurs have a vuluation of a player that they dont want to lose now im not saing modric is on the same leval as ronaldo but is it not a similar situation .Its up to the buying club to meet that valuation or come close to it and at the end of the day why should we just let utd dictate how much they want to pay when signing the player is obviously gonna strengthen utd, get as much as we can coz when we look for a replacement the club of that player is gonna do the same the same to us knowing we have money to spend.
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Why is it so difficult to do business with Spurs? Daniel Levy is the answer. That man is an awkward stubborn geezer who doesn't like being made to look like a muppet, although he is.
Ozwald
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Modric stopped being a target once Real came in. Mountinho, and/or Witsel would do nicely. Moutinho for 22m and Witsel for Anderson and 10-12m. Add Baines and that would be the best years business for years.
Though it's more likely it will only be one midfielder, 2 would be sweet.
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No Name, That is BS if you ask me, the valuation can be decided by the selling club but to be fair something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay.
So the buying club really dictates the value.
Arsenal may rate RVP at 25 M but I guarentee he will go for less than 20 Mill
Gaz
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Ozwald i think he is not a muppet he is a very good business man he wants top money for a player and he tends to get it most times
dio
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09 Jul 2012 15:20:46
just read that John Cofie is going out to Sheff Utd on loan. What like of player is he? does he have the potential to play for us one day?
GWhizz
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Perhaps a little like Andy Cole, but his year long injury did knock him off his stride. He can be prolific when he finds his feet.
Sydney!
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Big strong lad but had a few bad injuries last season which kept him out awhile if he does well at sheff utd he may get another year at utd to see if he can make it.
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From what I've seen of him in the under 18's and reserves he's a natural goal scorer, hes quick, tall and strong so he has the physical attributes and if he works on his technical abilities we could have another welbeck type player?
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John cofie is a complete beast. He is a monster of a forward, reminds me of a younger drogba. Hes still 19 and has more power in him than most forwards in the pl. In terms of playing style hes a bit like llorente without the technical ability. If he workson it he definetly has the potential to make a name for himself in OT.
Mick
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Will definitely be a first team superstar within 18 months and rivalling Messi as the greatest player on earth in 2-3 years.Guaranteed.
Much love x
J.Cofie
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Like the drink only not spelt the same!
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09 Jul 2012 15:24:05
J.S Park Officially Competed His Transfer To Queens Park Rangers F.C And Will Undergo A Medical Today Or Probably Had Already Done It (9th July, 2012).
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09 Jul 2012 15:15:33
have it on very good grounds that baines and fellani will be coming in next week £22 million double deal, saf also looking to bring in a forward name cant be revealed until next week thou, stay tuned for more as i get it. joey
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I would have thought that was highly unlikely. They bought Fellaini for 16m a few years ago and he has got better since then even at that price it would mean Baines being valued at just 6m. If we were to do a double swopp i'd expect it to cost closer to 30m.
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Good god... i hope your wrong!!
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A cant see this happening at all, I hear Baines is a done deal, but fellaine is just speculation, I reckon where still in hope of getting modric, I would love to see vpersie aswel in a united shirt
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Sorry Joey, I can see Bains coming but not both.
Mitch
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I really hope not.... there are a lot better players out there, but it looks like we just do not want to pay the money to get them...
we should be competing for the cl and with no disrespect to these 2 they are not going to put us back up there with barca madrid etc
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Be closer to £22 million each if anything.
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They will be too expensive.
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You Man U fans are so full of yourselves!! Why do you think that all players want to join you? Plus, why do you think you can get players so cheap. Fellaini on his own is worth at least the 22m you claim the double deal is up for and Baines is worth nearer 20m. I think a double deal of in the region of 40m would be more like it but I still don't think it will happen.
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Fed up of fans like PIT APE, Expecting 'Marquee' signings like sniejder or kaka who both would not be as good of a signing as FEllaini, go play fifa or football manager cos that would be a really good deal,
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If we signed them 2 players for 22 million it would be an amazing deal, Fellaini is top class and Baines would fill a gap. It is not going to happen as the deal would cost more like 30-35 million but why people are saying it is a bad thing if it did is beyond me.
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GDS - I'd say your post brings the words "nails,hit, right and head" together, but not in that order.
Mik
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09 Jul 2012 15:12:37
Utd and spurs have both had bids accepted for mountinho......he will meet both club managers this week and decide where to go.....bains according to my sources is due to meet club officials in the next 24 hours.....fee is agreed at 15m plus add ons to about 3 m ........also hearing that there is a surprise with a main player leaving before August......
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Give us an N
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Give us an N
Give us an I ....
Halesini
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I like Baines but would be distraught at the thought of paying as much as 18m for him. We paid 4m for Evra who was much younger and was probably the best left back in the world in his prime. Baines will never be more than a good solid player. 12m tops for me. I'd rather us sign one of Izaguirre, Schmelzer, Cissokho, Angel or Oviedo than pay anything like 18m for Baines.
Shappy
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£18m is daylight robbery, £12m is about right IMO. If he was foreign he would cost no more than £8m.
Sydney!
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Wheres the like button?
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I have to agree with syd & Shaps.... 18m on baines would be a outrageous when we could spend half of that on one of the players mentioned by shappy and then put the other half towards a world class cm
Oxred
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Why pretend your source is anything other then papers, blogs, twitter, bookies and some drunk know it all down the pub? If you read them all a little closer, the usual agreed price for Baines is 12m down with 4m add ons. Just on the top edge of his worth IMO.
Mik
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The main player leaving would surely be evra, thats iff we get baines
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09 Jul 2012 14:45:41
Lucas Moura open to listen offers but inter and chelski seems to be favorites do we stand any chance to tempt World class players to join us (Source:Daily Fail)
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If a 19 year old kid is world-class then Kagawa is world-class. So yes is the answer to your question.
Sydney!
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Would you join if chelski offered you £200-300k per week? Unfortunately, we cant do that, but, rightly so - certain players know about our history, the others go for the bigger wage packets! end of......
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I think there is a possibility he could sign if the rumours are true about him being shown around OT and his family being looked after here also. Although only rumours he's seemingly keen on a move!
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Chelsea are not going to pay a 19 year old kid who is unproven in the EPL and has only played in a second rate Brazilian league £200k-£300k a week.
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Personally I would get this player, he's not afraid to take people on, and stays on his feet more than Nani, but only if we could sell Nani on. If the papers are to be believed his family has been shown around Milan too, so if he's not persuaded by our history then Italy with it's culture and climate may be a deal breaker.
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Would saf seriously spend the money being said on a 19yr old with no proven ability in the prem we all remember veron and i think not
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Every year there's a new wonder kid coming out of brazil. Yet there is very few of them making it. It's all tabloid talk. Personally I think we have more sense than pay silly money for a kid that has never played outside brazil. United bring kids over from brazil every few months and these are the only ones we will sign.
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Honestly. with all due respect. who gives a monkeys about our history. football is a business and money talks. there may be the odd case when you get a fan as a player but this isn't the norm.
one danger about living in the past and going on about our history is that we will become history as we have refused to move with the times.
drink up ye cider.
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A player wants to know who offers the best future not the best history. Talking about financial fair play will put us at the forefront for the future!
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I don't want us united to be another liverpool, living in the shadows of previous cups, if we need to sign a player i think we can take him to our trophy room to inspire him and make him join the league of legends but am sure the condition now a days are changed pretty much. to join a club like united u should not bother about money it always follows.
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09 Jul 2012 13:55:21
Pogba compensation fee agreed with Juve, £800,000.
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09 Jul 2012 10:20:19
Hearing from various people that apparently the deal for Baines is "very close" and will sign a 4yr deal today/tomorrow.
Anyone heard anything similar?
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I've heard similar, I was led to believe its a "done by the end of the week job"
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If we really do sign baines any change everton will keep him until after the 1st game of the season..
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Just been on the everton page to get thier take on it and their really panicking about it, their completely dismissing everthing thats being said about it, you can tell their gettin the jitters
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Only time will tell on this one,if it happens, like many on here I'm split as to whether it's a good signing or not, good set piece option but you want a defender to be a good defender above anything else, not convinced but only fair to give him a chance.
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Oh yeah this is coming from some guy called T.Witter
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Hi yea i have been told its in advanced stages. 3/4 year deal, i think 3 with option for 4th.
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Moyes returns from the alps today, and is keen to get a player as part of the deal, looks like evra
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I've heard it will be 15m plus Evra going the other way. Jack
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Everton couldn't afford Evra's wages and if that rumour was true that would make Baines' fee around £20m and that is ridiculous.
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09 Jul 2012 10:08:57
Dembele offer another rumour that may not be true. Latest news today is that the Baines deal is getting closer, let's hope it's not too extortionate a fee...
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Dembele could turn out to be a good signing for 10m. Was originally a striker. Can also play anywhere across midfield.
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09 Jul 2012 00:00:10
Strong rumour coming out of emirates, Walcott has rejected offer of new deal as his people have informed him that there is strong interest from Manchester Utd. It's thought he would be available for Round 16m as he goes into the last year of his contract. An official approach is expected this week.
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He's like a defective version of Valencia, why would we want him?!
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He is exactly what we dont need. If he was left footed and played on the left then yes.
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Totally agree Ozwald. He's poor. Take his speed away and he is nothing. Poor finishing, poor crosses, can't dribble and do not track back.
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Cant see it not good enough, if fergies looking for a sprinter i'd go for bolt!
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Sydney will love this piece of blasphemy.
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LOL, he wouldn't be worth £16m if he had five years left on his contract. He has absolutely no right to be playing hardball over a new contract. He owes Arsenal everything. He will probably join Chelsea for £10m and sit on their bench for the next four years adding an extra homegrown player to their quota. AW will bring in a slightly cheaper and better Moses.
Sydney!
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Shocking player! Head down and run, that's all he does.
No end product, all of our wingers that we have now are streets ahead.
Simmo
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Theo Walcott is a smaller version of Gabriel Obertan without the stepovers. Everything is done at 23000 mph and often the ball ends up with some lucky fan in the cheap seats.
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Why oh why would we want Walcott? Even some Arsenal fans I know don't rate him! Valencia, Nani and Young much better than Walcott.
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The only place he should be goin is to the olympics
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For a moment I was tempted.....
Walcott shows glimpses of what he could be but if he can't develop what talent he has under Wengers tutelage and with all the game time he has been given, he probably never will.
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He played well in the euros for england so i don't see why you keep disrating him he looks quite good when hes on the ball and seems to trouble the opposistinal defence in my view fergie would make a good capture to have walcott as backup
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"He played well in the euros"
I remember him coming on and getting an assist and a (very) lucky goal, but did he even play all that much at the Euro's?
Certainly not enough to change my mind on him. Lacks composure, skill and final ball IMO
I agree with Syd - if he's turning down Arsenal I don't see him getting into the starting XI of another top team
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Played out of position by AW who tried to convert him in to a winger. He was a striker at saints and has made no secret of wanting to play through the middle/ up front. Think SAF knows what he is doing but agree not worth 16 mill with only 12 months left on contract
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Walcotts so fast the ball cant keep up with him, don't want OR need him at Utd....
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Terrible player.End of
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09 Jul 2012 00:00:05
Since we bought Kagawa I've watched a few highlighted games of his for Japan & Dortmund. He seems a very intelligent player, moving the ball quickly & always on the move WANTING the ball.
BAD NEWS: he seems to not bother tracking back or able to follow players runs in our own half. Either lazy or just positional unaware when having to defend in midfield.
When Rooney plays behind the striker he runs his socks off & so does Welbeck or Chicharito as they close down fast and defend from the front.
If Rooney plays more advanced to allow Kagawa to play in behind we'll be exposing our two central midfielders.
I'm sure Fergie will slap him into shape and make him realise he has to track back and even get a foot in when he can like Nani first season.
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No, for Dortmund he had a great work rate if you watch him closely. He presses very high up the pitch when the opposition are trying to knock it about. Dortmund play very good counter attacking football, throughout most of the season it was Kagawa and Lewandowski staying in a more advanced position, worked very well together in that respect. For Japan i've only ever seen him have a tremendous work rate, like most of their players they're very hard working. Just like what Bryan Robson was saying the other day on MUFC's website! Maybe there were a few moments in the recent World Cup qualifiers where Japan were leading about 5-0 that he didn't track back but is there any need?!
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He is definitely not lazy. I would say he will be one of the hardest working players in the team he has a great attitude!
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Mr. Noname,
I disagree with you, and agree with Mr. Ozwald's response.
BTW, Mr. Ozwald I can see by few of your posts you follow the Japanese National team closely. Are you a recent admirer of the team, and like their style of Play especially since Zach took over reigns of the team
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I guarantee you watch videos on youtube? why would people watch a video with clips of him tracking back defending when he has so much better clips going forward
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When playing in the hole you should never be pegged back in your own half anyway unless it's a corner to the opposition. One of Rooney's biggest problems when he is in the hole is playing too deep.
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Jeez he hasnt even played yet, preseason training barely begun. He will get taught to work for Ferguson!
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Yes! I love watching Japan play, since Zaccheroni took over anyway they have become much more technical. Also they're an agile bunch that all put a lot of effort in. Really starting to produce some class players too as well as already having a few in there!
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I think Mr. No Name has been watching the wrong player.
He has a really good work rate, i have seen him tracking back loads for Dortmund. Like Syd said you shouldn't be pegged back when playing in the hole. The position is about finding space in the hole and finding that killer pass whilst chipping in with 15 goals a season.
I can't wait to see him he looks a superb player!
I just hope we add one of two more in the midfield to bulk the squad up.
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Simmo you just said that you've seen him track back loads at Dortmund, followed by agreeing with sydney that you shouldn't do that when playing in the hole. Theoretically speaking you shouldn't but depends which team you're playing. For example playing Barca, everyone should up there defensive duties to help out.
Sydney, I wouldn't say that's a problem of Rooney's when playing in that position yes he may get a bit carried away with dropping deep but he usually only does it when we're struggling to get the ball up to him in a more advanced position. I feel Kagawa is a perfect addition to bridge that connection and allow for better movement of the forwards! Literally cannot wait.
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Great point Sydney! - tho was he be pegged back because Giggsy and Park were trying to be CM's?
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Oz, Simmo is right as he never always played in the hole at Dortmund. He played central midfield on occasions and from what I seen he put in a shift.
Rooney will need to improve this season as last season his control and passing was awful. Luckily for us he still scored goals, but the rest of his game needs to improve.
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Worth bearing in mind instructons given may suggest he's specifically told not to track back in certain games to allow for faster counter attacking ect. as Oswald said; depends who up against. on the whole though, we certainly have a worker.
looks like the op was searching for some negativity and stopped looking when he thought hed justified it. tut tut.
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If you watch as much German football as I do you'll know he's far from lazy, he doesn't track all the way back exactly, but he moves out of the hole to hassle both the midfield and defenders, and he's a scrappy little guy!
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Ozwald
Barcelona are completely different because of the way they pass and move and because of the exceptional talent that they have in the midfield areas.
They never waste a pass, there ball rentention is unreal and there movement is fantastic.
Man United don't have this quality in midfield and play a different way.
Comparing the two is silly.
Simmo
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Kagawa is a CAM he is meant to play-make, score and make forward runs... He will leave our 2 centre mids exposed they are playing for MUFC and if they cant manage get them out of the club! Ronaldo never once track Left-Backs back when we were in trouble but it never mattered!! stupid statement, since when are Sneijder, Hazard, Messi, Silva, criticized about their defensive abilities!
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Simmo
I'm not comparing United and Barca, don't know how you got that from what i said! What i said was if we were playing or any team for that matter were playing Barca then everyone would have to up their work rate and help defend more than in other games if you want to have any chance of success! Shinji Kagawa does have a great work ethic so no one needs to worry about that! He'll get back and defend when he needs/is asked to, has plenty of stamina. But a lot of games, like i said he's asked to stay further up the pitch as he's master of counter attacking football, fast thinker and a fast mover.
Syd, must have been an odd game seeing Kagawa in central midfield?! Dortmund always favour a 4-2-3-1 formation which would see Kagawa play anywhere along the attacking midfield three, can't imagine he'd ever play as either of the defensive two behind. Must have been a different formation which i have never seen them use!
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Did Cantona ever track back? Why do want to sign an attacking midfielder and worry about his defensive qualities. We've just sold the most defensive winger the world ever did see in Park and its great news
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08 Jul 2012 23:34:40
Ive only posted a few times, but I would like to post more frequently. Anyway -
I just would like to ask everyone who would be there ideal (but realistic) 3 summer signings (without Kagawa and Powell)
1 rule you cannot spend over 55m
Thankyou
ShaunMUFC
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I know how you found this site.
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Thats a bit silly, how can we choose when we don't know players valuations?
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£23m on moutinho, £8m on isaguirre and £20m on RVP. Total=£51m
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Moutinho 23m baines 12m m"vila 16m
total 51m
that would make us unbeatable
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Baines and Modric. You know that SAF could have more than this to spend but will only spend if he sees value.
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I'm gonna say
Modric - 30m
Baines - 13m
RVP - 20m
I know thats 63m but it could happen and i think these signings are perfect for us. If the price of the player is right then i think SAF will have permission to buy all of them.
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17m for MVila, 25m for Moutinho/Modric, 7m for Izaguirre.
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Lucas Moura £28m Nani out £30m
Lewandowski £25m Berbatov out £12m
Wesley Sneijder £22m
Moutinho £22m
Total spend £55
Mitch.
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Leighton Baines
Lucas Moura
Joao Moutinho
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Ronalado £18.3m
Messi £18.3m
Iniesta £18.3m
Total £55m
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Lucas Moura
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Torres 33m
muthino 22m
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26m moutinho
10m izaguirre
15m Gio Rossi (might get him on the cheap as Villarreal have just gone down)
Total = 51m
Philiphs93
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Oh well why not ! :)
De Rossi
Sneijder
Izaguirre
Mike
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Frankly I'd be fairly happy with just one more major signing, ideally someone like Moutinho, and then a few m on a young fullback (or Clyne, who's free if i understand correctly, and can provide backup and competition for both Evra and Raphael.
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Moutinho £25m
Baines £15m
Rodriguez in for Nani + £10m
Does my creative accounting / player swapping count ?
Another possibility:
Gaitan £15m + Anderson ;)
Halesini
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Javi Martinez £32 million
Leighton Baines £13 million
sell berba probably get about £6 million and bring in Lewandowski for about £20 million I'm aware this would actually be about 59 but I'm sure we could stretch that far and would be totally worth it in my opinion :)
Jamal Sanchez
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Baines 15 m
Snider 20 m
Rvp 2o m
Show me 20 th title.
Parkie
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Martinez and williems
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Good shout:) I'd go for these players IMO.
lewandanski(spelling)18m
Moutinho25m
Baines12m
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Who has believable and unbelievabled this?!
Baines
Modric
(just 2 due to cost)
DodgyBanter
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Javi martinez 30m
yann mvila 20m
felipe luis 5m
anderson, and berbatov out for 20-25 m would be nice too
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Cabaye - £15m
Bank - Save £40m
We're not in desperate need for any other positions.
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08 Jul 2012 21:51:56
Ed's do you have any information of our interest in Ross Barkley as I expect us to sign him next year probably, just wondering if you have any information of any precontract deals?
RedDevil19 {Ed002's Note - Ross Barkley falls in to the enigma category - Britain's best when he is fit and everyone chasing. High risk at anything more than "affordable".}
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Barkley and co are on eurosport tonight at 6pm for England u19
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