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18 Dec 2018 12:17:29
I'm Not Surprised, but right decision at the wrong time.
Why did the board give him a new contract, that decision has cost us as a club over 50 million. This board has appointed the last 3 managers, any chance of them walking? No I didn't think so.
Now we are going to top up some semi retired managers pension, until the end of the season yet more money.
Merry Christmas to my fellow United Supporters let's hope 4th. time is a charm! but I'm not holding my breath.
1.) 18 Dec 2018 12:33:51
all parties are to blame. but ultimately the manager is an employee of the club and he is paid to do what they expect and the manager is always the one to take the hit, and i sort of feel sorry for Jose in some aspects but he brought most of it on himself.
your right it started a decline in the summer when we didn't invest, the team has needed investment in certain areas for a while now.
falling outs with players, negative approach to games, not being fully committed to the club, some people didn't want him here anyway, its all be a bit of a farce.
the club need to as gary neville said RESET. and that starts from the top to the bottom,
we make a rushed decision and were back to this in 2 years time.
we need to take our time and start running things in the correct manner, we can turn this season around with the right people focused on doing the job.
but everyone needs to be committed the viruses need deleting.
2.) 18 Dec 2018 13:38:22
maybe the new contract included exit clauses that we don't know about.
02 Dec 2018 17:52:07
I've been a Manchester United Supporter for 47 years, they won't sack Jose until it's Mathematically impossible for us to get into the top 4, as we then lose lots of money from our Sponsors, until then we will all have to suffer this dreadful brand of Football, I know it's No comfort to hear this, but it's my Opinion and that is what this site is all about.
1.) 02 Dec 2018 23:10:55
i never understood why they wait for it to mathematically be impossible to sack the manager. why not do it earlier so you can guarantee a place in top 4. unless they've accepted we won't get it this year.
2.) 03 Dec 2018 06:44:52
I'd assume that once it's guaranteed we won't get Top 4, we can let him go without paying as much compensation?
Eds, any insight into the structure of his contract extension and when it might become cheaper to move on?
{Ed025's Note - not at this time mate..
3.) 03 Dec 2018 08:51:37
IM7, I would imagine it’s so they have grounds to cancel/ payout the contract. I would assume there are a number of Key Performance Indicators written in with top 4 being one of them. The managers contract is a contract of employment (fixed term) and he will be covered by the same legal rights as anyone else in the country.
4.) 03 Dec 2018 10:28:17
Do you think they have done a cost analysis, Sacking Jose early v missing out on Champions League, which would lose more money?
5.) 03 Dec 2018 13:01:42
They will have for sure. But it's hard to factor in things like future sponsorship, future signings (ie targets want more money if not in CL or say no when they would have said yes) .
I'm sure we are hemorrhaging viewers on TV across the world, that has to have a knock on effect. Takes a lifetime to build a reputation, a few years of LVG and Jose to virtually destroy it.
People are selfish. Woody will not look good sacking yet another manager (so soon after handing him a ridiculous new deal) and failing to secure top 4. Everyone will be looking out for their own personal best interests right now rather than the club or the fans.
In a decent/ honest world. Jose would have packed his bags long ago but he wants money, Woody would have admitted his mistake long ago, but he wants money. The club would have realised we are losing our soul, but they want money. The players would have upped their game, but irrespective of performance they earn and want money.
Most players nowadays know they will earn more by forcing a move than they would by doing their job. Little morals and honour left in the game now at the top end unfortunately.
I wish we could just rip out all the poison surrounding the club and just build it back from the solid foundations we have, but the world doesn't work like that. Just like in the real world with empires, they get too big, too selfish, to greedy and ultimately the empire dies and is reborn as something else. We have bad apples throughout the club, directors, management, players - we need to cull it all before it's too late.
6.) 03 Dec 2018 23:10:39
Who does the culling if those making the decisions are bad apples?
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22 Dec 2018 21:43:01
Well 5 Goals some nice football, good work rate, a lot of work to be done, but what does that say about Jose, apparently just about everyone and there dog was unhappy with Jose, he really needs to take a good look at himself, but as he says its not about him, Merry Christmas Jose and Family. try and smile for gods sake.
1.) 22 Dec 2018 23:50:25
Good managers evolve and change with the times. Mourinho refuses to change and I don’t think he ever will. Do you think Ferguson had the same tactics when he retired as he did in the early 90s. Modern players are much more suited to an arm round the shoulder approach rather than the strict disciplined approach.
2.) 23 Dec 2018 01:11:52
When the eagerly anticipated team sheet was announced you'd have been forgiven for looking over to the bench and wondering where Mourinho was hiding.
On paper it looked a conservative selection. There was no Dalot, Fred, Mata or even Pereira. Neither Gomes or Garner had made the bench. I bet Jones's selection set some hearts fluttering and I can imagine Young's inclusion didn't inspire excitement in many. This after all was more or less the same team we'd seen toil for most of the season however that's where the comparisons stopped.
The front three played higher with more freedom, mobility, fluidity and pace. They played quicker, faster, interchanging short passes and positions for once sending the other team into a spin. They were supported well by the powerful Pogba whose influence steadily grew as the game progressed. The full backs were significantly more advanced, they showed real desire to make forward runs and support the play. Out of possession we pressed and harried with great energy, enthusiasm and purpose. We did not retreat or drop deep. We kept the pressure on right until the end and it was certainly our most impressive and commanding performance of the season.
Whilst Martial, Lingard and Rashford will rightly take the plaudits I felt we saw the real Victor Lindelof this afternoon. Afforded to play in his preferred position as the right sided CB his use of the ball was brilliant. For once he had the confidence to attack the space, step into midfield and I saw his real potential for the first time. Defensively he was more aggressive and willing to engage further up the field. He pressed well and competed better both physically and aerially. Jones was also solid and if he can stay fit is actually a decent player. Something to build on maybe?!
Cardiff contributed to their own downfall, they showed us too much respect and were too passive. They allowed us easy possession of the football and our confidence grew from there. They actually set up like we did under Jose against the better teams and were simply our run, out fought and out manoeuvred. We will face sterner examinations but with the risk of sounding cliche you can only play what's in front of you. We wouldn't have witnessed such an expensive and energetic game with Mourinho in change and we were a joy to behold at times.
Moving forward I hope Ole learns from the mistakes made by Giggs during his short stint as caretaker manager. On paper we have a favourable run of fixtures over the festive period and a real opportunity to put a string of results together. Whilst I understand Ole may want to give other players a chance and experiment with systems and formations like Giggs I believe this would be a mistake. What we need is a period of stability and continuity. A chance for players to develop partnerships, relationships and understanding. Ole has given himself a wonderful platform to build on. I wouldn't like to see too many changes come Boxing Day. Possibly an extra attacker in place of a midfielder, maybe Sanchez or Mata however that is something that can be done with 20-30 minutes to go hopefully with the game already won. The FA Cup will provide opportunity for rotation for now we just want the feel good factor and football to continue. Those grey skies are looking a little brighter already. A welcome early Christmas present thank you Ole. Keep up the good work.
3.) 23 Dec 2018 03:27:09
But my bet is that he will win a trophy with his ancient approach before we do.
4.) 23 Dec 2018 06:06:08
Well said DLIB couldn’t agree more.
5.) 23 Dec 2018 07:04:46
Good post DLIB.
United Addict, he might, but that doesn’t mask the growing crisis at OT that he was causing. We can argue about whether he is past it or not but whichever is the case, he never was, and never will, the right man for our club.
6.) 23 Dec 2018 08:15:18
United Addict, that will entirely depend on where he gets his next job. Many people have said Real Madrid or Inter Milan are the most likely destinations. However it is Wolves where the odds of Jose being the next manager where slashed. A betting ploy? Or just people jumping the gun due to the Mendes link?
Either way beyond Real Madrid and Inter Milan maybe PSG are the only other top team that would hire him.
Barcelona or Bayern Munich won't go near him. Juventus, Chelsea, Liverpool or City won't either, mostly because they currently have very good arguably better managers.
Jose has been a great manager, yet he looks like a man on the edge of falling off the plateau of the very best current managers and falling into that category of previously great managers. It has happened to many managers before, LvG, Wenger and Capello are obvious examples.
If he doesn't learn to adapt to modern football he risks becoming irrelevant, outdated and defunct.
That's not to say he won't win anything ever again, LvG and Wenger have both won the FA cup in the last 5 years. However, success as a great manager isn't measured in domestic cups but in league titles and UCL wins. Will Jose win another of those? Probably not unless he adapts his style or goes to a league like Ligue 1 with PSG where there isn't serious competition for the league title.
His last three jobs have gone exactly the same way, poor style on the pitch and falling outs with both players and club employees. The Special one has become the Sulky one. If he is to return to the pinnacle of football management he needs to re-find what it was that made him special and adpat it to the modern landscape. I hope he does, it would be a shame to see such a good manager and great football character fade into insignificance.
03 Nov 2016 19:52:51
watching tonight's game, too many players making bad or lazy decisions, shaw, herrera, martial, to name a few.
a lot of players need to leave in the summer if not before, passing for passing sake, it's not rocket science GET IT WIDE CROSS IT AND SCORE.
1.) 03 Nov 2016 20:10:39
This is going to be a tough ride. Mourinho needs the right playears and I don't know if the squad is right or anyway close. I would say De Gea, Baily and Pogba are the only 3 he knows he would pick week in week out the others could all be replaced.
2.) 03 Nov 2016 20:26:09
What's the point of tear arising down the wing when you two old and slow strikers are the ones passing the ball from 25 yards behind and won't be in the 18 yard box for sometime. To give fenerbache credit they are a lot higher up the league than we are up ours.
16 Feb 2015 21:41:54
I think lvg is finding English football a lot better than he thought.
I think he expected teams to sit back and admire them instead they are getting stuck in.
If lvg doesn't know his best team or formation how does he expect the team to play with any structure or confidence, most of them, are playing it safe with passes back or to the side, scared to give the ball away.
just watched the game tonight, we won that's the best I can say, the starting line up was devoid of ideas, ponderous, cue plan B send fellani up front again, several players not doing enough for me.
Arsenal next I'll be stunned if we beat them playing like this, i live in hope.
26 Jul 2014 11:39:06
I think if Darren Fletcher is fit, he should be the new Captain, it's a big if but he's the Scotland Captain, and I think when he is fully fit he would be a great Captain.
1.) 26 Jul 2014 12:14:57
He won't play nearly enough to be Vice-captain never mind Captain.
2.) Being captain of a pub level team doesn't qualify you to be captain of Manchester United.
3.) 26 Jul 2014 13:45:21
I would be seriously Upset if I saw him playing enough to be considered.
4.) He would be captain of a sinking ship if he were to be made captain of us and played regularly. We need better than that, obviously shame about his illness, but football wise he should be at Newcastle/Stoke not Man Utd.
5.) 26 Jul 2014 14:18:14
Calm down on the Fletcher bashing, okay he's not a fantastic midfielder now mainly thanks to his illness and yes we do need better but he's still a great professional with a lot of passion and love for the club which to be honest is everything a captain should be. Maybe try show a little more gratitude.
6.) Thankyou Darren Fletcher for your passion(Gratitude).
But you are not good enough for the captaincy or UTD anymore(reality).
22 Jul 2014 20:13:29
Patrice Evra, Thanks, I Salute You
Red Devil forever.
This Is not The Manchester United Way save your money and support the Team.
04 Aug 2014 12:02:32
Fletcher will be Captain
Ur right as we're not even in it?
Lvg likes Strootman as a player, he's mentioned him in several interviews, he brings balance to the way van gaal's system works.
I also agree with other posts that players who do not embrace van gaals system will be leaving, van gaal is not interested in star players, he's only interested in The Team.