02 Dec 2013 12:24:41
I guess we all knw that the premier leauge is not a short race but a marathon. let's not forget, teams like chelsea, man city who didn't get results from their managers after a season or two sacked them because of the modern day and age. Are we going to do the same or do what we did when saf joined us, and that is, give him some time, maybe two seasons. Saf won a major trophie after three years, steve bruce actually saved his job after scoring the winner in the fa cup. I don't think we will win the leaugue, but I think we be much better footed for next season. As long as liverpool doesn't catch up, and we qualify for champions leaugue, I will be happy. 20 leaugue trophies, that's a big number for any club.

1.) 02 Dec 2013
I'm sick of the, 'Fergie didn't win anything for a few years' rubbish on this site. It is absolutely ridiculous to compare the start of SAF's tenure to our current situation. SAF came to a club that hadn't won a title for years, had deep rooted off field problems, and were capable of a decent cup run at best. He needed time to lay the foundations for a team that has dominated the EPL for the last twenty years.

Moyes has come into a club that has consistently won trophies. Yes, the owners have allowed the squad to fester, but, nevertheless, the squad should be challenging for trophies. Moyes is not faced with any of the major problems that SAF was faced with. He is faced with one problem, getting the owners to invest in quality players. Now because Moyes claims that the owners have offered him all the necessary funds, the burden of responsibility falls on Moyes.

Moyes will, unfortunately, be given time. But he has performed poorly so far: tactically, in the media and in the transfer market. I repeat, Moyes has done nothing to earn the right to manage a top side, the only reason he has the job is because his mate gave it to him. Does anyone honestly think that any other top side in the world would even have considered him? We are stuck with Moyes but people need to stop defending him and the mediocracy he has brought with him this season.

2.) 02 Dec 2013
I am in complete agreement with Danny here. We cannot compare SAF and Moyes in their initial years because SAF had to build the team whereas Moyes has inherited a team of champions.

Also losing games due to lack of quality players is acceptable but losing games due to outdated tactics and senseless substitutions is not.

3.) 02 Dec 2013
We have to be a maximum of 5 points away from the top at the turn of the year and we have to be playing some very good football. January signings will have an impact too. If Arsenal get another striker and if other rivals get players and we don't then its a battle for the CL places.

4.) 02 Dec 2013
Absolute crap Danny.If u knw your football, the leaugue back then was not as demanding now. U never heard of managers getting sacked like it was going out of fashion. As for star players, saf was given carte blanche to buy players. Also, with the league and players changing all the time, no two seasons are the same. Before u blow your top off, do your research on the club first. let's not forget, when saf served his early term, Manchester United was the only rich club of the premier league before abromovic took over chelsea in 2004. Paying top money for ferdinand, jamp stamp, van nistleroy, cantana, dwight yorke, I can go on and on,

5.) 02 Dec 2013
So this is your argument:

Moyes should not be criticised because the league is harder now.
Fergie got money to buy whoever he wanted.
No two seasons are the same.
SAF had an easier time because we were the only rich club until 2004.


The first claim is a bit ridiculous. First, because there was less of a gap between the first division clubs, the league was actually more competitive, and second, it's pretty dim to talk about it being more difficult to win the league now and then claiming that no two seasons are the same. I'll leave you to think about that one for a while.

The claim about SAF's transfer market carte Blanche is just silly. I'm not sure that anyone aside from you actually believes it.

No two seasons are the same. So what I never claimed otherwise. But Manchester United have not finished outside the top 3 in over twenty years and this our worst start to an EPL season. What are the differences between this season and last: Moyes, his back room staff, and the player he signed.

Finally, the only one of those players we signed before we won a league title was Cantona, and he was signed for a relatively cheap fee because Leeds wanted to get rid of him. When SAF took over we were not flush with cash. The reason that we began to attract top players was because SAF made us successful on the pitch. It was only after years of success that we became the richest club in the league. And you're talking to me about the club's history?

Look at it this way. Moyes left Everton after over a decade in charge. A new manager came in and the club is currently in 5th position, one place above where they finished last season. They have slightly improved and the transition is looking to be successful. We are in 8th, 7 places lower than we finished last year. We are playing and are struggling to impose ourselves in most games. The common denominator is Moyes.

6.) 02 Dec 2013
We didn't buy players of that calibre when saf took over, liverpool were the top dogs and we were average.none of them players mentioned were bought until 12-15 years at least after fergie took over.ive been going since the early 70.s and throughout that time and the 80, s we were crap at times with a cup run the best we could hope for.agree with danny, moyes is a proven premiership manager he should of known our squad inside out before he walked through the doors instead he dithered on fergies transfer targets and let them go else where and then wasted 27.5million at the last minute.im sure the beverley hillbillys will be over the moon to see there 2nd biggest purchase unable to get on the pitch and you wonder will they trust moyes with a large sum of transfer money after the fellaini fiasco.

7.) 02 Dec 2013
Donnie2303

In 86 when SAF arrived we were a mess, it wasn't just a poor team but a poor club without the structure in place to be successful. Liverpool dominated and we were where they have been for a few years. It took years to get right spending money in the process. Moyes inherited the Champions and a club with a fantastic structure and a great winning mentality. It needed some tweaks but instead Moyes ripped out the back room staff and is still doing it with the scouting network in line at the moment. The difference in the starting points are so far apart but the difference was that SAF knew how to win, what winners needed to have and how to get there. From a position of strength Moyes has ruffled a few feathers and moved the successful staff on. We are where we are but it could and should have been far smoother so far but that is down to the decisions the manager has made. One thing is sure Moyes had a considerably easier start than SAF and anyone who thinks different was not around in 86

8.) 02 Dec 2013
Red man SAF did arrive and make his own big changes he got rid of top players like Mcgrath and he did have a lot of money to spend on players and did spend big Pallister Keane were not cheap, we already had Byran robson and other top players so he did have world class players at the club before SAF came, Moyes has taken the hardest job there has ever been in football, replacing a living legend who was at the club for so long with so much success it would be hard for anyone, SAF thought Moyes was the right man and I think we should trust the master and judge Moyes at the end of the season

9.) 02 Dec 2013
Sorry guys, I'm in agreement with Danny not Donnie.
I have watched united since the 60s and when saf took over, we had a couple of very good players, but the club was a joke. Problems on the pitch and even bigger problems off the pitch.
Saf sacked players almost immediately and in some cases against our wishes, but never the less he did it.
He also had incredible success in Aberdeen on very limited funds.
Moyes has had no success at all, he's had 11 years at Everton and before that at Preston. Does that qualify him to be United manager? Think about it for ten seconds and you'll realise the total ludicrousness of the situation.
I agree with Danny, he has been very poor in his tactics, and team selections. He's also not handled the press very well and instead being bullied by some of them, he's been non committal in this responses, when a strong, firm and clear reply was required.
Like it or not, moyes is totally out of his depth. Unfortunately, his backroom staff have very little experience in successful management. Giggs and Neville have been great players, but that does not make them great coaches and managers.
A club of United's stature should not have to put up with mediocre personnel, they should be thriving to be the best, competing with bayern, Barca, Real, PSG, city, chelsea and the rest. Can we honestly say that we are in any way a match for bayern, barca Real? Even the most ardent fan has got to admit the seriousness of the demise of our club and the playing staff.
Is moyes to blame for everything? Of course not, glazers will have to take the brunt of that one, but they decided in their infinite wisdom, that a manager who has won nothing all his life, with no European experience should replace the most successful manager the world has seen. That is the crux of the problem.

10.) 02 Dec 2013
Katef

SAF had a poor team in 86 and a club that didn't know how to win. He spent money and indeed he did buy Keane but not until after the first league title win in 93. There is a massive difference to what Moyes has inherited. There is one point that seems to be missed and that is a new manager should have seen a bounce, the team should have been trying extra hard for Moyes yet he seems to have only been getting 90% out of the players.
Moyes was a major risk and for me the jury is still out

11.) 02 Dec 2013
Lets see if Everton can finish where they are now before you start spouting off, don't forget everton finished 4th and qualified for the champions league under moyes let's just the team after the next 6 games when we reach the half way mark