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01 May 2017 09:31:34
I read this morning that Romero has bought a house in Milan. Obviously no idea if that is true or whether he is leaving but strange place to buy if you play in Manchester.

Red Man

1.) 01 May 2017 13:41:07
Holiday home/ investment property? Doubt he's short of a few quid.

2.) 01 May 2017 18:25:03
Linked with inter.

3.) 02 May 2017 08:23:11
Get the lad from Milan and send them a ready made replacement?



01 Apr 2017 12:59:16
Today I understand another young reserve (he is 20) has been added to the match day squad, Matthew Willock, in addition to Tuanzebe and TFM. This is down to injuries but also because we have released the older "blockers" in the squad. I hope all three get some time and show what they can do. Like Rashford last season, until they step onto the biggest stage in key matches (the pressure to win is now on), we won't know how they handle it.

Personally I have seen many youngsters debut at OT and there is a buzz of excitement when they step out. Good luck to Willock if he gets on and it will do wonders for the youth/ reserve set up to see progress. I hope young Gomes gets some time soon and possibly Gribben if they continue progress and are physically able.

Funny but today may need Fellaini especially against a West Brom team who can and like to score from dead balls.

Red Man

1.) 01 Apr 2017 17:53:35
Another draw at home, top four just seems out of reach at the moment, Its the old Man Utd way, when teams above us drop points so do we. But the most frustrating thing for me is Micki taken off again and martial and lingard left on.
Hope Jose has a plan for next season regarding strikers, it's plain to see if Zlatan don't score, nor does anyone else. Looks like another season of frustration and missed chances.



25 Oct 2014 06:38:03
Interesting That the Valdes rumour had been around a while.

13 Aug 2014
Despite being injured I did read a while ago that we had interest in Victor Valdes as competition for De Gea, following Valdes injury lay off but not heard much in a while. Not sure whether Valdes has found a club as yet. I also read that De Gea's girlfriend was encouraging him to move back to Spain and whilst there has been no suggestion he would, a good number 2 could be important

Red Man



27 Sep 2014 07:28:35
Most interesting if true.

it appears Tony Strudwick, the first team fitness coach since 2007, has been moved from his usual role to a job looking after the physical development of the club's younger players. It Looks like Lvg has now put someone he trusts and has known a long time, Jos van Dijk in the role.

Red Man

1.) Forgive me Red Man, but why is this most interesting if true?

2.) Quite interesting . let's see if it has any impact.

3.) KingGiggsy

Many have been frustrated and annoyed by the number of injuries picked up particularly in training. LvG has been here a few weeks and potentially identified an issue and possibly one of the causes. LvG resolved the injuries sustained by Robben and is now looking at our injury prone regulars. If this works and is true the reason why it is interesting becomes clearer.

4.) Thanks for sharing Redman, let's hope this helps inmprove our injury record.



12 Feb 2014 04:30:51
It appears Vidal has signed a new Juventus contract until 2018

Red Man

1.) Used again to get a better deal, I hope dm wasn't banking on Vidal coming

2.) Only a highly unreliable English newspaper seems to be reporting this and the others have piggy backed on the story.

There is absolutely nothing in Italy or any official announcement from Juve.

Although the Editor did say that Juve would be unlikely to sell or the player wanting the move so a new deal wouldn't surprise me.

3.) Eric is god, Vidal never once said he's interested in move to us or anything like that so how could he use us to get a better deal?

There was genuine interest from us, the media hyped it up as per usual.




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20 May 2018 21:57:13
The club is at yet another cross roads. There are some huge decisions to make this summer and Woodward needs to get it very right.

Two items today, firstly toxic fans abusing our manager to the point he has to close his social media account. It is tough enough dealing with the opposition but our own, seriously? It seems too many are driven by the want it now, an overblown sense of false entitlement pervaded in the wider media world. enraged by a feeling that we should we winning playing Busby style football regardless of circumstances. You don't just see it in football. Abusing any person on that level, let alone our own manager is repugnant and disgusting. Perhaps the manager will walk away, giving some what they think is the answer, instead it can all unravel.

Secondly there are noises of dressing room discontent starting to filter out and this is where a decision needs to be made. We either support the manager or the players. Under SAF the players went, now in our overtly toxic world who knows which way the board will go. Maybe Beast will get what he wants and chaos begins. It needs a strong manager right now not a theoretical fancy coach. It's a big moment, for me five positions need resolving, 2FB, CB, CM, RW/ Attacker. We need churn, players bought, move on the ones with poor will to win, yes the ones going will be unhappy. The next few weeks will decide the next few years. We are here again, in this position and it's Woodward who is accountable. He must get it right.

Red Man

1.) 20 May 2018 22:20:09
Thats thw attitude of some of thw fans today. They have no patience with the managers.

Managers train you but players are the ones that are on the pitch.

Good luck to those that want rid of Mourinho once he has gone you will realise what you will miss.

As some of these players have huge attitude issues.

Manchester United fans use to be known as very sensible and knowledgeable but since we are seeing the real toxics who are still living in the past and delving on past success.

People need to wake up this is just a sport. Although i love United two bits but you shouldn't go to such extent that you will send death threats or make your manager turn his social media off.

This is totally out of order and i am very sad to be called a United fan today because of what has happened.

Absolute disgraceful! .

2.) 20 May 2018 22:39:50
Good post Redman. Feels like a real watershed moment. My fear is the manager walks/ sacked and we get a new manager and in 2 years we are in the same situation. However, this time we are playing good football but not winning anything. Ed002 was right the fanbase is toxic and what’s to say these twitter idiots and plastic fans won’t turn on a Poch/ jardim because we are not winning? There is clearly a player attitude/ mindset issue at the club and if they survive and the Jose goes who is to say they won’t do it again? There are a lot of players there who do not have what it takes to play for united. I’m not Jose in but I would prefer to see him strengthen the team and finish his contract. I understand people’s view that he will cause more damage but realistically I cannot see many stand out candidates. For whatever Jose says or acts, he is the the Man Utd manager and he retains my backing until the day he walks out the club. It is hard at times on some days I want him out. But the fans turning on him after the press rip apart his character is not acceptable. We look after our own at united and for whatever digging out of players he does he is still the manager. The press is in full force right now as we lost the final so it is all feeling a bit raw and blown out of proportion imo.

3.) 20 May 2018 22:53:02
Over dramatic redman many fans simply want us to be successful but enjoy watching us trying aswell, playing good entertaining football isn't a pipedream just a different tactical way of good footballers playing .
You want 2 fullbacks a CB, a cm and a right side attacker, I don't disagree but what you don't mention is under Jose we have spent a lot of money on two CBS, and two for cm already . It seems to go over people's head the two CBS have been unable to dislodge what we already had, many of us may think Bailly and lindelehoff are better than what we had but come a big game Jose didn't .

4.) 20 May 2018 23:20:37
Too many of these players lack. the mentality yet here the still are. They really need to be gone this summer.

5.) 21 May 2018 00:09:26
Agreed Slate.

I am certainly not a toxic and my social media activities begin and end on this site. I love and support the club and always will, but what is totally unacceptable is the regularity with which we have entered a game and simply not turned up and played football. I mean literally not fulfilling the basics of the game at this level. Every time we did something positive it was invariably cancelled out the next game.

I am not a fan of his by any stretch, but I'm not going to come out and say "sack Jose" because I do not know of a perfect alternative. There are promising, forward-thinking coaches out there but the element of risk with them is v high; can we go on the manager merry go round again? I just don't know.

What I do know I want is the team playing to win and score goals, applying themselves every game, for BOTH halves of a bloody game. So on that token this season has been abysmal, and every fan has a right to criticise and moan all they want.

6.) 21 May 2018 05:29:56
Nothing like an over reaction Redman, Utd were here long before José and will be here long after José. Hasn't the chaos already started, our manager has signed numerous players for his style of football and they are simply not performing, whose fault is that? José has bought players to cover the positions that you mention, 2 of them can't displace Smalling the most criticised player at the club and presumably that's because José doesn't think they deserve to be playing. His stellar signing wanders around the pitch contributing every 5 or 6 games, the other games just pass him by.
Our current manager consistently throws players under the bus yet can't accept any criticism himself, after Sat he said he was happy with the game, well how many other Utd supporters were happy with the performance, were you?
Obviously if we had won on Sat the José serial winner posts would have appeared, justifying the boring football we have endured for the majority of the season. How many games have you actually enjoyed watching this season?
I don't buy into all this play football the Utd way, every manager has their own preferences for tactics, but what I want to see is a team that actually looks like it's trying it's hardest for 90mins and that is down to both the manager and the players. José has spent millions yet we look a worse team ending the season than we were starting the season, the players look lost with no obvious plan to the way we play. How many players, in particular Jose's signings do you think have played to their full potential, I can't think of more than a couple, isn't that the manager's responsibility?
In more than 40 years supporting Utd have you witnessed such an abject performance in a cup final, in 99 we had a magic few minutes but we were outplayed by a very good Bayern team, how well did Chelsea play Sat, in 76 we did attack Southampton not just go backwards, sideways. Most people I have spoken to have said Sat was the most boring final they can remember but José was happy with the performance.
From the start you criticised Moyes, well maybe some feel the same way about José, just because you think he's the answer doesn't necessarily mean that it's right.
Finally, I totally agree with you over the personal abuse, nobody should be subjected to the vile postings that have been made.

7.) 21 May 2018 12:17:31
You can't compare Moyes and Jose. Moyes had never managed a big club. Moyes had never beaten a top 4 club. Moyes looked out of his depth from day one. Moyes had no plan.

Ok so people don't like Jose's plan. Fair enough. We've all been frustrated this season.

Cases can be made either way on Jose. I just think if he can ship out the failures and get in the players he wants then its another stride forward. If he can clear out those who aren't good enough to be at the club and instill that winning mentality, which we have lost, then that leaves us in a better position for the next guy. And hopefully he gets more suppport.

8.) 21 May 2018 12:32:00
I cannot condone the behaviour of fans towards Mourinho, I want him gone, but death threats and abuse is childish and crude. Saying that, if these 'fans' are to be labelled toxic, then Mourinho should be too. His attitude is terrible and he's quick to point fingers and blame, but never looks at his own issues, it's always someone else's fault. Lose the final, it's because Chelsea parked the bus and because Lukaku couldn't play. It's becoming as tedious as his brand of football. I think there's a trickle down effect at clubs. You have sour management, it creeps into the players, into the fans, into everything the club represents. It pains me to admit that since Klopp joined Liverpool, their fans appear less bitter, more humble, as do the club and it's surroundings. That's what we need to be aiming for, under Fergie we had a feeling that there was fun to be had, there was a goodnatured spirit from management to the players to the fans and a confidence and trust throughout the club. Toxicity, whether LVG or Mourinho, breeds toxicity. Humility breeds humility. Confidence breeds confidence.

9.) 21 May 2018 12:40:03

Again and again I have to explain Moyes CV did not merit the United job but Jose’s CV is on another level. I said before Moyes was appointed it would be a disaster and it was.

One thing to ponder, everywhere Jose has been he has won big very quickly, yet is struggling to replicate this at United. Easy to say he is past it but I suspect it is actually more an indication that it is a far bigger mess than he has encountered before.

10.) 21 May 2018 13:02:42
Yes Red Man the winning mentality had gone. Too many players who are either coasting on reputation, or slacked off because they're at United and have made it or just don't have the mentality.

11.) 21 May 2018 13:29:44
Good post, Ludwig. Mourinho has us competing but you are right about the style and his lack of character, with the blaming and lack of humility.

12.) 21 May 2018 16:07:37
Mort and Redman - where did I say Moyes was the answer, just because José is your choice doesn't necessarily make it right.
Too may players coasting, not got the right mental attitude, what about Jose's signings because they are comparatively bigger failings than all the Utd players that weren't good enough according to some.
Where is Pogba's mental attitude, what about Miki, sold, what about Bailly and Lindelof can't even make the team over the acclaimed useless Smalling. These are all players that José signed, are they the wrong players or are we picking the wrong team, playing the wrong tactics. Whatever it is Jose's record on signings for us is not good.

13.) 21 May 2018 20:14:18

Have to correct you again, Jose is not my choice as you put it. I wanted Jose after SAF but we went for the useless one, I wanted Klopp to replace Moyes but when we went for lvg I said it must be with Pep in mind to follow him. When we dithered without a plan Pep went to City and I said the only option was Mourinho but to keep an eye on Poch.

I haven’t given up on Bailly, rumour is he blotted his copybook by crying off a game last minute claiming he was ill and turned up bright and early for training next day, which rightly didn’t please the manager.

I haven’t given up on Pogba or Lindelof even if you have but some have been there long enough to judge and it’s time tough decisions are made.



05 May 2018 20:03:42
SAF allegedly rushed to hospital and his son Darren unable to manage his teams final league game due to a severe family issue. Let's hope this is not what it sounds.

Red Man

1.) 05 May 2018 20:08:41
Friend of mine works in the hospital says he's had a bleed to the brain.

2.) 05 May 2018 20:14:53
BBC say brain haemmorage, operation done today "went well" wish him all the best .



21 Apr 2018 13:50:19
There have been some great semi finals. What are your best three?
1976 Gordon Hill and that goal v Derby
1985 Maine Road V Liverpool Robson top corner
1999 Giggs
Hard acts to follow.

Red Man

1.) 21 Apr 2018 14:27:34
. agreed. Can also add.

Whiteside v Arsenal, 1983
Hughes v Liverpool, 1985.

2.) 21 Apr 2018 14:39:39
Oldham was a cracker for me 1990.

3.) 21 Apr 2018 14:42:59
1999 for me one of the best games I have ever seen, had every thing.

4.) 21 Apr 2018 14:44:06
I’m with Timbo, I was at Villa Park that day. 1-0 down to a Woodcock goal and then screamers from Robson and Whiteside, all 3 goals at my end. I guess ‘99 is up there as well, down to 10 men and conceding a penalty in the last minute. Football, bloody hell.

5.) 21 Apr 2018 15:18:38
It was an amazing afternoon. I was 17, same age as Whiteside when he scored!

6.) 21 Apr 2018 15:48:22
1985 United v Liverpool, both intense games. Goodison atmosphere was savage. Obviously the reply was much better. First time for me at any semi finals, first game nearly broke me.
United v Oldham 1990 was a cracking match as well.
I really don't like the semi finals being played at Wembley.
Hope the true spirit of the club turns up today and United win in style.

7.) 21 Apr 2018 20:10:09
RedMan. Giggs goal against Arsenal was great. But my favorite was the match against Derby (who were the best team in the land) and Gordon Hill scored a fantastic goal. I was there that day. We got pelted with stones and rocks on the way back from Hillsborough by some Leeds fans who had come out for a fight.
Gerry Daly played brilliantly that day against a Derby midfield containing bruce rioch and archie gemmill. Fantastic day.

8.) 21 Apr 2018 22:41:08
I went to both semi and the reply in 1990 Beast. Classics.

9.) 22 Apr 2018 10:33:11

I couldn’t get tickets for 76 or 99. My first semi of actually going was 79 at Maine Road. Was at both semis in 85 and the Goodison one was a war zone, disgusting what the Scousers did that day. I was annoyed in 99, despite being a ST holder I couldn’t get tickets for the semi or final and luckily managed to get Nou Camp tickets from another source.

76 holds a special place because I started supporting in late 68 after the European cup so that game against Derby was the first after years of issues that got us to a final. MOTD was a Liverpool love in, people have no idea these days. Derby were really good then, I remember watching Charlie George play for them at OT in early 70’s class act.
The goals yesterday were not classics but it’s always good to win the semi.



21 Mar 2018 22:35:20
Hi ed0333

That long ago I can’t remember what we talked about. I remember revealing my Mancunian loyalties but he wasn’t bothered and the rivalry wasnt as toxic as it is now, seems to have worsened when Liverpool stopped being top dogs, doubt I would have mentioned Norman though. Re drinking, see my other post about a certain Thursday evening back in the eighties, he wasn’t the one laid unconscious over the bar.

Red Man

{Ed0333's Note - ok mate will do. I honestly think the hostility nae toxicity has diluted somewhat, maybe this is due to the fact that your not winning everything in sight anymore or hopefully both sets of fans realize it’s only a game of football and there are more important things in life like world hunger, poverty, persecution etc etc and 22 guys kicking a piece of white leather around pails into insignificance.

1.) 22 Mar 2018 02:07:35
its not a real rivalry like celtic v rangers, and that's not me trolling as my united leanings are well known, i find all the english derbies quite tame, up here you have to be streetwise and have your wits about you going to and coming back from old firm games, people have been murdered up here for the rivalry which is about more than just football sadly.

{Ed001's Note - real rivalry? It is no such thing. It is bigotry and disgusting sectarianism and stupidity and moronic and you fools celebrate it and call it a 'real rivalry'.}

2.) 22 Mar 2018 12:46:20
did i not put in my post that its sad the rivalry is about more than football? I think you'll find i did, my club Celtic are non sectarian and open to all, the other fools as you describe them had an anti-catholic sectarian policy for over 100 years, that's why up here rangers are called scotland's shame.

{Ed001's Note - are yes of course Celtic never did anything of the sort, such as when Jock Stein was told he would never go any further as he was Protestant. Just accept your 'rivalry' is nasty and you lot up there need to grow up and stop celebrating stupidity, instead of coming on here casting scorn on other rivalries as not 'proper rivalry'. If you can't see that what you wrote makes you a fool then you are an even bigger fool than I thought.}

3.) 22 Mar 2018 13:11:18
Ed007 will tell you, Aberdeen v Hibs used to be a pretty tasty fixture back in the day. Amongst the supporters at least. Especially during the height of the Casual scene. Mind you, Aberdeen people tend to hate everyone with equal enthusiasm.

{Ed007's Note - Aberdeen didn't mess about, Stevie. When I was about 17/18 they threw me through John Menzies on Union Street's window.}

4.) 22 Mar 2018 13:40:44
it just makes me look like the decent football fan i am who has no hatred or bigotry in his body and was merely going on about the severity of rivalries as someone who has also attended manchester derbies and united v liverpool games, as my point was i find them quite tame and relaxing compared to glasgow derbies.

{Ed001's Note - that is not what you said is it. So perhaps you should think about what you say before insulting other rivalries that are just as real as yours. Hatred and violence does not make something more real, just more stupid.}

5.) 22 Mar 2018 14:21:12
again you missed my original point, i'm talking about the intensity of the rivalry not the cause of it.

{Ed001's Note - it is not me missing the point. Still going over your head I guess.}

6.) 22 Mar 2018 14:26:45
Ed there is hatred and rivalry in England when it comes to football and when all the clubs join together for international games England are the most hated in world football.
And in other countries Italy, Germany, Brazil Argentina and so on are full of hatred where football is concerned.
It's everywhere in football
I don't agree with it buts it there.
The last time England came to Ireland they ripped up the stadium and I was there and will never forget the look on some kids faces, they were frightened for their lives.
I hope it has moved on from that now. but there will always be a handful that will start it off.
Give some clowns 6 pints and they are off.

{Ed001's Note - you are missing the point as well. I was saying that you cannot judge a rivalry by the hatred. Everton-Liverpool, for instance, has lost a lot since it becoming hatred rather than a friendly rivalry. Hatred does not make a rivalry, it does nothing but produce idiots who glorify in it. Has Liverpool-Man Utd rivalry become better for having more hatred in recent times? Not at all, it has just made it nastier, not better or more real.}

7.) 22 Mar 2018 18:09:03
Ed01 is right. For some daft reason the Glasgow clubs seem to wear there 'rivalry' as a badge of honour.

It often gets disgusting and nothing to be proud of. Certainly nothing to come on a united message board and boast about that's for sure.

8.) 22 Mar 2018 18:49:30
What ever happened to being rivals without hating each other? Why the need to hate? I'm a very competitive person, which has a tendency to create quite a few rivalries. However, I don't hate anyone. To be honest I find the idea of hating someone foolish, time consuming and self destructive. You hating someone has a far greater effect on you and your emotional state than it does the person you hate. Just let it go.

I grew up with loads of Liverpool fans, the kids of glory supporting fathers who have no connection to Liverpool but they were the best team when they grew up. Then I had to endure taunts of being a glory supporter because I'm not Mancunian and United have done very well during my life. Yet I was a United supporter because I was brought up (within football) by United supporting Mancunians. Yet I don't hate a single one of them. Because I know that they know deep down United are just better. lol.

9.) 22 Mar 2018 19:56:14
who was boasting? i was talking about the intensity of the atmosphere, who would want to talk about the bad side of it? and i'm talking on a manchester united site because i'm also a manchester united fan of 40 odd years.



20 Mar 2018 20:57:41
Danny Lancs asks lower down about SAF early days.

A different perspective, there was a drinking culture in the club. People don't realise how bad it was. One Thursday night not long after SAF joined I was in a pub in Sale when two senior first team players arrived. There was a game at the weekend but they were hammered and got more hammered. I watched as one was collapsed across the end of the bar and eventually had to be carried out by the bouncer. My friends and I were going to the game at the weekend and just shook our heads in shame. There were no cameras, no mobile phones to record it on. My late brother was in the same pub for lunch and regaled to me how one key first team player sank 7 pints of lager over lunchtime with a game several days away.

You have to understand perspective, when SAF arrived we had endured circa 15 years of utter Liverpool dominance and a press that eulogised them, everything was nice stories about the boot room. We desperately longed for success, the joke about our end of season party being in February when the Scousers went too far ahead to catch them grated beyond belief. It is why winning is what matters, the Scousers ground out wins, collected trophies.

SAF arrived and he had won so much with Aberdeen, I watched some of them on tv. We had new hope, yet we hardly saw an improvement, the football was awful, it really was and didn't the Scousers love it. There was no social media but radio shows had people on doubting SAF. The only time my belief wavered was the 5.1 defeat at City in 89. it was hard to take because our dreams were being ripped apart again. Someone told me though that SAF was making changes to the club and stick with it. I was someone who stood on the Stretford End shouting Sexton out so it was hard not to protest, yet I had seen some of the issues and to be honest the choice was throw it all out start again with another manager or stick with SAF, I chose SAF. We were promised so much with Big Ron. I went to away games because we thought we could win the league, only to be shattered by a bunch of prima donnas and that was awful in the end, nice football but nothing to show for it, so we just had to wait, give SAF the chance. SAF then made a tough decision over Leighton, destroyed his career really, but it was the right one. It was probably a turning point for the club. We won the cup but the manager showed he could make tough decisions and that is what Jose is doing. There are more modern problems at the club, now players can't be criticised as it might hurt their feelings. I played football in SAF early days and it was physical, not like now, you had to deal with criticism and not get upset about it. Different problems now but still things that need tough decisions, do we want a manager to make them or someone who cosies up to them for 18 months until the players don't like what they hear again. You decide.

Red Man

1.) 20 Mar 2018 21:18:22
Cracking post red man thanks for sharing and giving an insight into those early days.

2.) 20 Mar 2018 21:38:51
Thanks for sharing Red Man.

3.) 20 Mar 2018 22:24:14
Loved reading that red man, good post.

4.) 20 Mar 2018 22:42:49
Top top top post Redman these players should be men and not act like girls and take everything to heart.

5.) 20 Mar 2018 22:43:15
Brilliant read Red-Man.

6.) 21 Mar 2018 00:01:17
Redman, you're referring to Norman Whiteside and Paul McGrath. We used to see them a lot around Manchester in bars when they should be in bed. Different times but they were great times.
Also Bryan Robson could drink with the best of them but somehow managed to keep his career going.
Players of today are a different breed and the managers have their hands full. To be honest, it's a difficult job and one I hate to do nowadays.
I was at Stret End from 1970 till 1990 before I moved in order to take my son to the matches. Then we moved back to Stret End and now singing stand and we would like to go back to Stret End. Life moves a full cycle. There's never a dull moment at our club.
My best memory was when we got beat at home by the brilliant WBA side containing the late Cyril Regis. The crowd applauded the teams off the field. Brilliant match despite us Losing. Sorry to bore posters with silly memories.

7.) 21 Mar 2018 00:21:51
Best post I’ve read in a long time RM. 👏👏
Good supporting post AAA. 👍.

8.) 21 Mar 2018 02:35:52
Red Man good post. Evoked a couple of memories. Ta. 👏.

9.) 21 Mar 2018 03:04:43
Great post redman and AAA, but I have to ask how fecking old are you people? 😉.

10.) 21 Mar 2018 00:56:36
Does that mean AAA's post was a top top post? 😂

I think there is a move by the press to hang Jose and stick the knife into utd. They have been waiting to watch it all blow up. I for one am going to support the manager and trust that if these players aren't right then he will move them on and bring in the right players.

Can anyone really say that Alderwereld/ umtiti, Kroos, Bale, martin/ max/ rose with 8 making way Doesn't sound exciting? This squad needs a revamp, we have a few very good pieces at a good age. I think this summer will see our first team get significantly stronger.

If a few don't make it and don't feel they got a fair chance then they need to be honest with themselves. Easy to blame other people when the truth hurts.

11.) 21 Mar 2018 05:37:34
AAA, seems we trod similar paths.

CSM, in August I will have been supporting the club for 50 years.

I started going to games in the South stand seats about 1971 with my late brother, I then went in the Stretford End Paddock around 1976 before going in the Stretford End not long after.

Tough but great at the games, we got behind the team far more, mainly because we were underdogs to the Scousers. Still we queued to get in en masse and screamed our heads off, were the extra man. I remember the 5-3 game with WBA, wonderful players Regis and Cunningham, would have graced today’s game. I have experienced the lowest, I was sat in K stand in 74 when Law back heeled in for City, people don’t realise the humiliation, now it is made out to be humiliation when we lose to a lesser opponent, 74 puts everything in perspective. However, there was 84 and Barca, what a night.

The mid eighties Everton came along and did what we couldn’t, beat the Scouse from top spot. I was at the 85 cup final, it’s never brought up now, but we sang Everton, Everton out of respect, they did a lap of honour in front of us and we cheered them, easier because we won, but they had put the Scouse in their place even for a couple of years. Hence my soft spot for Everton.

Nostalgia huh, one of my memories was in the 80’s, meeting and spending an afternoon drinking with Wilf McGuiness, lovely man but couldn’t imagine him being strong enough to lead.

Nostalgia, apologies, but my dad took me down Chester road, past Old Trafford in the late sixties, totally different place to what it is now, then it was a gritty northern town for tough footballers like Bill Foulkes, not the shiny modern one it is now where sensitivities are part of the psyche. Standing on the terraces gave a different, more grounded view of the game than sat in the rarified seats. Standing cost about 30 pence I think which you could save up from most of your pocket money to pay, it was raw and you went to support your team, now they go to watch, to be entertained, it’s different, it’s the corporate animal, sad because most of you won’t have experienced that raw feeling of a goal and thousands rushing forward in a crush all together while screaming, then trying to get back to where you stood and find your mates. Wrists were broken on the barriers in the crush, but oh what fun.

12.) 21 Mar 2018 05:53:48
Red Man thanks for giving some perspective and good memories. I think the younger generation has now add a different meaning to supporting 🤣🤣🤣 and I guess they want instant results just like instant coffee or tea.
Love to be able to have a nice afternoon tea with you and AAA when I have the chance to visit UK. It’ll be a rewarding trip 😉.

13.) 21 Mar 2018 09:24:10
You're right RedMan. We must have been present at all the old matches. 666 and dodgy and all other posters who commented, make no mistake, our club is the best in the world. There mught be clubs like City or Chelsea with the new money, but our club has history and tradition that they can't buy. That's why as much as I dislike the red Scousers, I also have respect for their achievements. As they are also a traditional club with great history.
RedMan, that WBA game was just something else. Sadly, both Cunningham and Regis are no longer with us.
But one thing that RedMan absolutely nailed is the atmosphere at the ground. I have also experienced the surge in the stands on countless times when we used to stand and though it was frightening at the time, it was exhilarating. The stadium used to shake with the noise. 2468 the reds are great by Bachman Turner overdrive used to start the show and the crowd were up and running from the kick off. Now we have this stupid presenter who kills the atmosphere before games and when he stops yelling on his microphone, the crowd are so quiet. As RedMan rightly says, we used to go to support while now, people go to be entertained a bit like an American football game. I do wish the club will sort this out by liaising with the fans. I sit there so many times and the away supporters if lesser teams are the only ones heard. This is not the case at our away matches, where our support is the best in the land by a mile.
And a last memory, I've been to Anfield four times and seen United win on every occasion. Two of those, my brother and I were sold tickets by touts to the away stand but in our haste to get into the match at the last seconds before the start, only to find that we're in the Kop. Have you tried watching your team score goals when you can't celebrate?

14.) 21 Mar 2018 10:21:02
AAA you got me really laughing with the tout ticket incident. Yeah probably just smiled when we scored whilst at the Kop end 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I really agree with what you said about going to support rather than to be entertained. But then I can also understand about other who feels they paid for the ticket and expects to be entertained. It’s tough to be a supporter 😉🤣.

15.) 21 Mar 2018 15:36:09
666, luckily my elder brother was there to control me when we scored. It involved looking at one another with sad faces while deep inside, we were laughing our head off. 😂.

16.) 21 Mar 2018 18:14:19
Big Norm. Another great, but flawed player from my own shores. I'm noticing a pattern, here.

17.) 21 Mar 2018 19:56:47
Brilliant lads thoroughly enjoyed that whole thread.




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11 Jan 2018 20:46:58

It wasn’t actually Sanchez in particular, I was pointing out that we need to recruit at the top level, especially if our opposition are doing that. Sanchez is a top level player and if there is a deal for him then it could be good. We shall see if the manager thinks there is a fit in our team and more important if this is a real opportunity. We shall see.

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26 Aug 2017 07:29:42

For once I agree with you, we need that wide attacking player, a Sanchez, Bale type. I haven't seen enough of Lemar but failure to land that type of player leaves us short.

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12 Jul 2017 08:26:36
Last I heard Arsenal would like Smalling so like Rooney with Everton there is an attraction in part of the deal, at least potentially. Bayern have taken James (thankfully) which ruled out one place Alexis could go but it would leave Arsenal on a huge financial precipice if Sanchez refuses to sign a new deal.

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10 Jun 2017 07:49:41
Leverage is part of business, not having any debt could be seen as not managing the business in the most effective manner.

There is a huge however though. Usually a debt is to enable investment in improving the business, helping it to grow. This debt was not used to invest and improve the business but foisted on us to enable someone who didn't have the money to buy our club and make the club pay for it. Where did the £1bn of loans, costs and interest go? Players, stadium, no it was to fund the managed buy out, wasted wasted money.

The debt will probably sit there eating interest, taking a piece of our income until they sell.

Therefore usually it is efficient to have debt, but not in this instance because it was not invested to improve the business.

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31 May 2017 21:41:53
Club data? I doubt we could be forced to disclose the club's own data on individual players if we didn't wish to. Releasing players for international duty is one thing but club data is another.

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It would not have been impossible if planned properly and brought in the right level of manager.

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24 May 2018 12:42:01

Am guessing you are new so welcome. I recognise and and have flagged those very issues time and time again so agree with you.

However you will now be answered with the can’t blame that, blame Jose he spent money argument. Enjoy and stick to what you said because it is where we are.

I would give Jose next season and see where we are.

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22 May 2018 17:49:47

If you had noted the comments a small number of us made on here before SAF left you would have known we spotted the same failings as with the Busby transition. Not saying it all over again but our planning for when the great man retired was utterly shocking. People cannot seem to comprehend the mess the last 7 to 9 years have been and will still deny it now.

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22 May 2018 07:30:05
That old chestnut, the 10 greatest throw ins, well used in the eighties and it was a yearbook joke then, usually trotted out after Liverpool won a league title. Not heard it since.

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21 May 2018 20:14:18

Have to correct you again, Jose is not my choice as you put it. I wanted Jose after SAF but we went for the useless one, I wanted Klopp to replace Moyes but when we went for lvg I said it must be with Pep in mind to follow him. When we dithered without a plan Pep went to City and I said the only option was Mourinho but to keep an eye on Poch.

I haven’t given up on Bailly, rumour is he blotted his copybook by crying off a game last minute claiming he was ill and turned up bright and early for training next day, which rightly didn’t please the manager.

I haven’t given up on Pogba or Lindelof even if you have but some have been there long enough to judge and it’s time tough decisions are made.

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