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10 Jan 2019 06:50:04
I have just read there has been a major rule change for this seasons Champions League. Any players signed in the January transfer window will be eligible for the knockout rounds even if they have played in the group stages of the competition for another club earlier in the season.

I wonder if that could stir up activity in the January transfer window!

Red Man

1.) 10 Jan 2019 11:25:18
10 days in and none so far Red Man.

Though if Solanke is worth £19m and Callum Wilson is worth £50m I think we might be better just sticking with what we have got.


2.) 10 Jan 2019 12:47:24
Looking at most of what we've been linked with i'd save the money as well.


3.) 10 Jan 2019 13:47:11
Callum wilson is a decent striker.


4.) 10 Jan 2019 14:10:39
Singh,

I know, but £50m? I appreciate the game has changed and the prices of players has increased but that is utterly ridiculous.


5.) 10 Jan 2019 14:53:33
Decent players should not be going for £50m. Same with Tarkowski. Its this that pushes prices up for good players.


6.) 10 Jan 2019 18:13:45
I know GDS but we can't do nothing to change it. It is still not bad as Andy Carroll going for 35 mil.


7.) 10 Jan 2019 21:10:32
We paid over £50m for Fred, makes Wilson for £50m look like a bargain.


8.) 10 Jan 2019 22:30:46
So true danny. We have gone after two players which city were after and both have so far let us down.


9.) 10 Jan 2019 19:42:41
Hearing strong rumors that we are interested in signing Manolas from Roma this January. Does any of the Eds know if it's legit?

{Ed002's Note - They will have the opportunity to talk with Roma in Geneva next week - with Roma looking to move him on in the summer.}


10.) 11 Jan 2019 09:58:08
With Aldervierweld supposedly have a £25 million clause surely that is great value. Even 35-40 would be.


11.) 11 Jan 2019 12:01:20
You'll always pay a premium for decent English players.


12.) 11 Jan 2019 16:03:30
If Wilson's worth 50 what's Rashford worth?


13.) 12 Jan 2019 11:49:46
Mort it doesn’t matter what Rashford is worth because we won’t be selling him and don’t need the money.

£50m is the new £30m.


14.) 12 Jan 2019 13:30:29
Never suggested we should sell him or that we needed the money. Just a question on what his value is.


15.) 12 Jan 2019 17:17:25
According to transfermarkt, his value is 65m euro. Doenst mean United would accept that though :)


 

 

23 Jul 2018 19:43:22
Who knows how true a rumour is but today it is said Mourinho is meeting Woodward and a member of the Glazer family. It is rumoured Mourinho is not at all happy with transfers. Last summer he openly asked for 4 and they let him down only got 3 and didn't bring in the wide attacker, we can see what has happened this summer and whilst the window isn't closed is anyone else getting the feeling there is a financial squeeze?

I hope Mourinho has the guts to call the owners and Woodward out, something SAF didn't. To get change a business needs to experience pain so for me if there is a financial squeeze I hope Mourinho walks away, leaves us in the mess the club will have brought on itself. Years of no value, LvG saying he didn't get what he wanted, only 3 out of 4 last summer. The trend has to stop now, I hope Mourinho is the one to finally take a stand. What we have isn't good enough, 2 more players, no fullbacks, really? Time for change at Old Trafford.

Red Man

1.) 23 Jul 2018 20:46:59
Red man the club is obviously trying to sell off a few before we can buy. Our moto like citys when they first got money of double or tripling players wages will always come back to haunt us. Weve spent like the moneys burning a hole in our pockets without a clear plan. The club may also view 3/ 8 of joses signings could be gone by the end of the summer that's hardly a good turn around on who the manager is investing in either.


2.) 23 Jul 2018 20:52:36
Hope so RM.


3.) 23 Jul 2018 21:17:56
W16wes

Do we really know how many were Mourinho’s first choice? We know he did not get Perisic. There is a pattern from when the owners arrived and now the club owners need to realise this isn’t a transition from SAF to a new manager but from United to a new dynasty, either City or Liverpool and they are letting it happen on their watch. I have banged on about a plan for years whilst watching City when they were dismissed as noisy. The owners need to have a plan and be decisive, now, right now.


4.) 23 Jul 2018 21:36:52
Walk away without a payoff? Rightfully no way he'd do that.

If mourinho is really that upset, no reason why they can't come to a mutual agreement and a stopgap manager put in charge till next season.


5.) 23 Jul 2018 21:39:44
Think we have spent plenty with the last 2 managers. Our targets are with other large European clubs and so it’s not easy to get them in.
Where is the development of youth? We have a good coaching and scouting system with some excellent youngsters pushing through who won’t get a chance under JM.
It’s not all about pure money.
I like JM but he is a 3 year project which is coming to an end. If he could see the bigger picture then he has the chance to create sonething special at Utd. Our club and fans are more patient and will stick by a manager who is creating a team between bringing in top class and developing youth within. As long as too 4 is achieved people will stick with the project if it’s a long term plan.


6.) 23 Jul 2018 22:49:49
The point is does the club have a plan. It doesn't look like it.


7.) 23 Jul 2018 23:10:52
Mourinho looks completely disinterested during the matches. His demeanor and comments afterward makes it seem like these friendlies are for fitness only, it looks like there are no tactics being worked on. He has also shown very little enthusiasm for his own players. His lack of passion looks like it is spreading to the players, and the fans as well. I think it is shocking that a manager, whatever his resume, can have so little enthusiasm for such a big job.


8.) 24 Jul 2018 04:27:20
Spent millions and people are still hanging on to the poor Jose line .
He didn't get perisic so what it happens, Jose has said he didn't want to come and he signed a nice new deal with inter.
So we went and got Sanchez instead what's the problem?


9.) 24 Jul 2018 06:33:53
Jred

The problem? Fullback, centre half, right side attack to create and score goals, as a minimum.


10.) 24 Jul 2018 06:44:00
Every single manager without exception missed out on at least one transfer target last summer.

It has probably happened to Mourinho every season at every club he has worked at.

Ed002 has said Mourinho doesn't want to be at our club, and that it has little to do with his professional life and more to do with his personal life. That suggests the club aren't doing a lot wrong in Mourinho's eyes.

If he's kicking up a stink it's because he has decided he wants out and is just trying to engineer it. He missed his daughters graduation to be on the preseason tour. From what Ed002 has said that is more likely to have caused Jose's bad mood than a lack of transfers.

6 years ago I would have agreed with you about a lack of investment from the owners. Personally I still think they are investing poorly on quick fixes rather than a long term plan.

However, Jose has spent over 400m so far. A figure matched/ beaten only by Pep at city. So I don't think Jose has a right to claim the owners haven't backed him.

It is not the fault of the money men that the targets Jose wanted haven't worked out. Mkhitaryan already sold. 65m spent on Bailly and Lindelof and yet Jose wants another CB because he isn't happy with the ones he bought. Club record fee on Pogba and now touting him around Europe as again Jose isn't happy with him. Zlatan was only ever a short term fix, yet the club agreed to extend his stay while injured on Jose's say so. Jose then played him 4/ 5 times before he left. He was on a crazy contact by all accounts, so I can't see the club being too happy at extending his contract for him to play less minutes than Scott McTominay.
Sanchez is another who was signed and as yet has not proven his worth.

Then there is the 70m+ worth of young talent in Martial and Shaw which Mourinho shows little interest in developing.

Mourinho has been gloomy and miserable since day one and we can't blame that on the owners. Red man I know your a big Jose fanboy, but it appears I may have been right when I said hiring Jose will end in tears. He just isn't the right fit. I know he has the ego and the drive to win like Sir Alex, but Sir Alex had so much more. It's like taking two ingredients out of your favourite meal and slapping them in something else, it won't be the same as your favourite meal. I love a Sunday roast, and roast potatoes and beef make the meal, however, they would be awful in a trifle, or in my corn flakes.

Sir Alex was the perfect man manager, knowing how to change tact to get a tune out of everyone. With Jose it's his way or the highway.

And so far it looks like it's the highway for around 150-200m worth of our players the most of that players Jose himself has bought. So I could see why the owners might be a little more concerned about trusting Jose's judgement on players this summer.


11.) 24 Jul 2018 07:34:07
Top post Shappy, we’ve spent a lot, some of it badly, bought who the Manager wanted, and he doesn’t play them or wants them gone. It’s the Board’s fault, go figure.


12.) 24 Jul 2018 07:42:54
Shappy

One point I can tell you from your post is very wrong, I am not a Jose “fanboy”, and I have posted who I wanted as manager many times, but why let the truth get in the way of your anti Jose position. When Bailly was playing well Jose got no credit and it was a club decision to buy, now it’s his fault we spent money on him. Pep bought and sold and their club supported him, do we support our own in the same way? Apart from Matic do we really know how many were Jose first choice signings? He needed many positions changing but did he have the budget after years of underfunding? He may have approved some but that doesn’t mean they were his first choice. If you look back at our transfer activity the dip in buying started when the club changed owners, buoyed by the longevity of what was already there and SAF we kept going, the dip started when Ron left and years of underfunding has come home to roost. Looks like we are watching the same dance again this summer.


13.) 24 Jul 2018 08:08:36
Red man, you've always been a huge fan of Jose. Since the mid 00's you have said he would be the perfect replacement for Sir Alex. You said when we hired Moyes that it should have been Jose. Under LvG you said we should have hired Jose. So under our last three managers before hiring Jose you have stated Jose should be our manager. In my books that makes you a bit of a fanboy.

You say the spending has dried up under the current ownership. Yet the the club has broken it's transfer record as many times since Sir Alex has retired as we did under him. We've broken the world record transfer fee and the world record fee paid for a teenager in the last 4 seasons.

Has Jose been backed? Yes, 400m in a shade over two years in charge is certainly some backing.

Your excuse of whether they were Jose's first choice is laughable. Bailly wasn't his first choice, and is probably one of his best signings. He wanted Perisic and got Sanchez a player many of us believe is better than his first choice. Zlatan, Matic, Lukaku were definitely his first choice. Pogba was a player he was interested in at Chelsea. Lindelof was another he wanted after leaning heavily on advice from people he trusts in Portugal.

Regardless of whether they are his first choice, second choice or third choice. They are players he wanted and he got them. So he can have no complaints. No manager gets all the players they want, but they don't for the most part throw their toys out the pram like a petulant child. Especially when only one manager in the history of world football has spent more money than you in such a short space of time.

Jose has been well backed, now he has to deliver. So far this preseason he seems to be getting his excuses in early. I suspect another Jose third season implosion.


14.) 24 Jul 2018 08:27:36
Shappy

Incorrect, yet again. I wanted Jose to replace SAF because it needed someone with stature. I wanted Klopp to replace Moyes and then wanted Pep to replace LvG. It was all written on here, only when Pep declared for City did I suggest Jose. If you get that so wrong when I have repeated it many times what else do you get wrong?


15.) 24 Jul 2018 12:48:45
If the board don't trust Jose, why give him a contract extension. Also if Jose is that unhappy why sign it? Just extra post melt down compo?

{Ed002's Note - The club wants consistecy - Mourinho will be more than happy to take the money. The fans did the damage a couple of years ago and are entirely responsible for where the club is now.}


16.) 24 Jul 2018 15:18:22
Ed 002 - LVG and his awful football had nothing to do with it?

{Ed002's Note - No.}


17.) 24 Jul 2018 18:05:52
Shappy on the money.


18.) 25 Jul 2018 11:26:42
Here we go again. Fans fault. Let’s just remove them from football completely. Ruining it.


19.) 26 Jul 2018 11:20:22
Ed do you mind explaining why the fans are at fault?

{Ed002's Note - The toxics forced the club to change their agreed plan because they are far from bright.}


20.) 26 Jul 2018 12:17:33
The agreed plan being to let Van Gaal see out his project?

{Ed002's Note - And then to be replaced by Max Allegri.}


 

 

17 Jul 2018 09:28:49
No idea how true it is but am led to believe that Woodward is struggling on recruitment (perhaps Glazernomics, perhaps being led up dead ends) and the Manager is not happy with the situation. The next few weeks will be interesting.

Red Man

1.) 17 Jul 2018 09:36:47
If Mourinho is going to be that unhappy with the situation i hope both parties come to some sort of mutual termination before the season starts.

Better that than mourinho sulking for the first half in the season and the club has to end up sacking him.


2.) 17 Jul 2018 12:12:59
or maybe its the fact that this is not football manager and it takes time to complete a transfer.

the panic is already starting to creep in.


3.) 17 Jul 2018 12:56:27
If Jose was an adaptable, modest and inspiring manager he would realise that our squad is only 2 or 3 additions away from being up there with the very best.

However, his insistence on sticking with the only way of football he knows and picking fights with his players has left us with a needed squad overhaul in his eyes.


 

 

01 May 2017 09:31:34
I read this morning that Romero has bought a house in Milan. Obviously no idea if that is true or whether he is leaving but strange place to buy if you play in Manchester.

Red Man

1.) 01 May 2017 13:41:07
Holiday home/ investment property? Doubt he's short of a few quid.


2.) 01 May 2017 18:25:03
Linked with inter.


3.) 02 May 2017 08:23:11
Get the lad from Milan and send them a ready made replacement?


 

 

01 Apr 2017 12:59:16
Today I understand another young reserve (he is 20) has been added to the match day squad, Matthew Willock, in addition to Tuanzebe and TFM. This is down to injuries but also because we have released the older "blockers" in the squad. I hope all three get some time and show what they can do. Like Rashford last season, until they step onto the biggest stage in key matches (the pressure to win is now on), we won't know how they handle it.

Personally I have seen many youngsters debut at OT and there is a buzz of excitement when they step out. Good luck to Willock if he gets on and it will do wonders for the youth/ reserve set up to see progress. I hope young Gomes gets some time soon and possibly Gribben if they continue progress and are physically able.

Funny but today may need Fellaini especially against a West Brom team who can and like to score from dead balls.

Red Man

1.) 01 Apr 2017 17:53:35
Another draw at home, top four just seems out of reach at the moment, Its the old Man Utd way, when teams above us drop points so do we. But the most frustrating thing for me is Micki taken off again and martial and lingard left on.
Hope Jose has a plan for next season regarding strikers, it's plain to see if Zlatan don't score, nor does anyone else. Looks like another season of frustration and missed chances.


 

 

 

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05 Jan 2019 09:52:14
Ole's fifth game today and no doubt a win would escalate the emotional sentimental rollercoaster to a new high, if we win it would be 5 wins, give him the job comments will be everywhere.

Ole is like a temp, temps can be fairly relaxed as they know it isn't permanent, maybe would like it to be, but can go in with a smile, expectation is fairly low. Switch that up to permanent and the expectation at United is at the highest level, staff and players will then demand things, behave differently, objectives will be much much tougher. Unless Ole wins the Champions League, I think we must resist sentiment and appoint the best candidate. Even if he wins in Europe we should think long and hard about it, I have said before on here, consider what happened to DiMateo at Chelsea, who made an emotional decision and then had to sack a legend. The club needs to be objective, what are the plans of the manager to create a dynasty? Then consider him with others along with his record.

This is where it is interesting, Ole bases his plans on SAF, a winning formula from years ago but if Mourinho's methods were considered out of date SAF's date back even further. No doubt I will get the usual outcry but one word is something to concern us over Ole, obsession, obsession with what SAF did, would do, how would SAF do it? We need to move forward as many on here tell us but to do that I don't think an SAF reincarnation is necessarily right.

We all love Ole, I was behind that goal at his and one of our greatest moments so I would rather he walked out next summer head held high than be sacked like DiMateo.

Red Man

{Ed025's Note - fine post that red man..


1.) 05 Jan 2019 10:27:57
Agree totally Red Man.

My preference is that the club appoint the DoF (or Technical Director as is being mentioned) first and hopefully ASAP.

Then the club can go about deciding on the candidates and eventual new manager for the right reasons.

This is the time for Utd to do things correctly.


2.) 05 Jan 2019 10:28:45
Great post redman. I agree completely. Love ole but we cannot be prisoners of the moment. Us united fans can be such sentimental folk sometimes. It is so important we appoint the right manager in the summer.


3.) 05 Jan 2019 11:06:47
Top post Redman.


4.) 05 Jan 2019 11:31:06
Good post redman.


5.) 05 Jan 2019 11:38:47
There's no need to rush the decision on ole one way or the other. By the end of March we will know how good ole is.


6.) 05 Jan 2019 12:04:14
Get your sentiment Red Man and your concerns, but the fact he is interim manager and Di matteo was too are where the similarities end for me. Totally different people, style of managers and clubs.

Let’s wait and see how he does for fine next 5-6 months. Nobody is clambering for him just yet, but he has made a fine start to life in the hot seat and I dare say we are all enjoying the ride.


7.) 05 Jan 2019 12:06:03
Good post.

Ole is doing really well, and riding high on the squad’s visible relief that Jose is gone. But I don’t think he’s the right man long term. It’s a huge step up for him, and we need someone who can bring something new to the club.


8.) 05 Jan 2019 12:29:08
Delighted with the start we have made under ole but a lot of teams improve after getting rid of a manager, especially one that had such negativity around the club. Ole said himself after a couple of games that he hadn’t the time to work much tactically with the players. He has gotten the feel good factor back but it’s far too early to tell how he is going to do yet. Maybe getting Jose out has more of an impact than getting ole in. We might have gotten similar results in this run of games with any manager that tells them to go out and just play football.


9.) 05 Jan 2019 12:59:03
Red Man i don't disagree with your comment but you only gave one example of the situation, how about Guardiola or Zidane? they didn't have any experience training on first division when they took charge of their beloved teams and they didn't do that bad, did they? why Ole can do similar? he has Mike Phelan as an assistant, not bad i'd say, has changed the mood of the whole team, even the staff, the fans. I'd love to see him getting the job for at least 2 years with an option to 5 if he's done well at the end. We keep going for the wrong managers time after time, its time to give the job to one of our own. I think we will play in the champions league next season and we will have a good run in the current one but we still need improvement, 5 years, 3 managers and none of them realized that we have a very unbalance team? our right side is non existent, Valencia is almost done and the way Ole and co want to play footy Mata doesn't suit that style, way too slow. i've seen people saying we need a centre back asap and we do but to me the position where we need to be looking at to get a replacement is a defensive midfielder because Matic isn't getting any younger and Pereira and Fred aren't good enough.


10.) 05 Jan 2019 13:07:39
Unless he wins the Champions League? Would top 4 and an FA Cup win, considering the low base he had to start from, not merit him being considered?


11.) 05 Jan 2019 14:54:54
Id favour a three man shortlist with Ole and the managers of Sevilla and RB Salzberg. No more has beens or also rans. Get the next big thing in. Take a risk instead of playing safe and failing.


12.) 05 Jan 2019 16:37:25
It would for me stevie.


13.) 05 Jan 2019 19:12:38
He'd have to be in the running, Ken. Don't think it'll happen, tho.


14.) 05 Jan 2019 20:24:27
Whilst he wins, few if any will complain.

When he loses, will he still be a popular choice on here.

As long as we qualify for CL and have a good cup run etc, and perform well. in the CL then he will have done a good job.

The main thin is to get behind Ole and them team.


15.) 05 Jan 2019 23:47:04
Ole has got back the feelgood factor, he knows how to get the best out of Lingard and Pogba, because he has managed them on a youth level.
I think this earned him the respect he needed right away and has helped him alot. I also think Lindelöf being swedish helps alot.

Ive seen most of Molde's matches under Solskjær and the team he had before he went to Cardiff, had won 3 titles in three years and made it thrue to the knockout rounds in the EL. His work with youth is also very good, having a average age of 24 playing youngsters in almost every game.
Erling Braut Haaland came to Molde at 16, never scored at senior level in his former club, was sold to Salzburg, top scorer for Molde in the norwegian league.


I never in my wildest dreams could belive he would get this good of a start, but the first big test comes on the 13th against Spurs and it would be interesting how they react, should they lose.

We can only stand behind him the time he is here, and if by may we have FA cup title or a top four finish, i don't think it would be easy to drop him.

The appointment in the first place reeks of SAF and Sir Bobby, so maybe they would have a say in may aswell?

We can safely say we got some of our DNA back, on the field aswell as in the club. May it long continue!

"AND SOLSKJÆR HAS WON IT! "


16.) 06 Jan 2019 09:21:44
Norwegianred

Like I said we need to move forwards not look back, learn from the past but not use it as the blueprint for the future. The club is sentimental and I fear the leadership will make decisions based on that sentiment plus money. We need to stop trying to recreate SAF, they tried it with Moyes and appointing Ole may be another attempt.

Questions
Will, by appointing Ole, it keep supporters happy with the owners and board, keep the image nice to ensure fans continue buying products? ; Will, by appointing Ole, it save paying out a big payment to secure another manager? (Imagine the horror at the financial cost (£40m) of getting Poch, dividends may have to be reduced) ; Will, by appointing Ole, it mean there will be less pressure from the manager to spend big money on players? (The club can become a real financial powerhouse delivering improving results as other large companies aim to) . The answer is yes and that is a worry, the question should be, Will, by appointing Ole, it take the club forward giving it the strength of leadership and back to the top of English and European football?

I can already see the start of the softening, fans being gullible calling for him to be appointed, hints he has support of the board in particular SAF to be permanent, it worries me to be honest. Love Ole, for his work as a player, for the fact his heart is in the right place but as the permanent manager when our two biggest rivals have better managers is a recipe for major concern and no amount of sentiment heaped on fans is going to make it right. There is a very small chance he can truly demonstrate he has what it takes in the next six months but even then it would be a major risk.


17.) 06 Jan 2019 11:39:49
Of course we should not appoint a manager of sentimental reasons and of course not copy SAF in any terms.

Solskjær is for shure not SAF and he is not trying to copy him in every sense, but he is a smart guy and a better manager than people would think.

Appointing Moyes to try to emulate SAF didn't go at all, but Moyes also changed the backroom staff and clearly didn't get the senior players respect. He also didn't make it in the transfer market and it went on a downward spiral.

I don't know if it would work, neither would we know how Poch would have or Zidane, who i would think is the wrong choice.

We can only wait to see how he sets up his team against the big sides and I've seen his set up at Molde against far better teams and beat them. They beat Fenerbache away 4-1 and the Fenerbache fans stood up and applauded the Molde players the last ten minutes of the match.

They also beat Sevilla home 1-0 in the quarter finale of the EL the same season, when it was winter break in the norwegian league.

He is a winner, both as a player and as a manager even though it was the norwegian league.

Im a patriot of course, so i will stsnd by him as long as he is here, mostly as a Man United fan, but also as a fellow norwegian. 😁.


 

 

30 Dec 2018 10:45:51
It is worth keeping an eye on the Martial situation and I wonder if he will start today's game. If press reports are correct he wasn't ill on Boxing Day but dropped for missing his flight back from Paris on Christmas Day therefore didn't attend the training session put on by OGS. Whilst we don't know the circumstances, if true, it is unprofessional at best. How will his teammates feel who did turn up, how would someone feel if they were dropped from a winning team today to make way for him? It was reported that he missed sessions in summer if I remember correctly.

Players can have fantastic ability but the attitude has to be right. I wonder if SAF's reported invited visit to training yesterday included that message, which he was well known for.

Red Man

1.) 30 Dec 2018 12:13:18
That's interesting if true. But Ole has been talking about him since so it's hard to know.


2.) 30 Dec 2018 12:19:28
I remember ole saying that christmas day was an off day for the players hence sanchez being praised for coming into training when others were off.


3.) 30 Dec 2018 14:56:51
In some respects I hope it is true. Not great if Martial has an attitude but brilliant if OGS has slapped him down.


4.) 30 Dec 2018 15:28:24
DSG

It is reported Ole changed training time on Christmas Day to suit the players, I think to 6pm and it is said that even with that change Martial let him down.


5.) 30 Dec 2018 15:55:19
These are all press reports, and yet we're using them to have a go at one of our players. Since when did we start putting so much faith in what's written in the rags?


6.) 30 Dec 2018 16:13:54
Nou

It was ok for you to believe press reports about Mourinho though wasn’t it? Also this is a rumour site unless I am mistaken

Martial starts today so we get behind him and the team, but there has to be discipline.


7.) 30 Dec 2018 16:43:05
You only post rumours on here when it suits your argument. I didn't like José for his proven actions over the years, not what the papers wrote about him.


 

 

22 Dec 2018 10:06:23
Welcome to the bright new world

It will be so interesting to see what happens later today. The opposition will likely play on whatever centre backs are put out there, balls launched into that area, DDG will need to be commanding. I wondered whether our back line dropping so deep hindered DDG because they left him no room to work. We need to push our defence ten yards higher, connect midfield with attack and see what it brings.

I am bemused by the Solskjaer situation, it smacks of SAF influence but it is hard to understand how we think a loan manager from a Norwegian club is good enough. OGS will certainly have full support, he really is a legend and I expect far greater energy from the team today, I expect us to win but is he equipped to save the season results wise, I am less than convinced about that. People should consider that Giggs had four games and I seem to recall the team slumped back to old ways in the last game, the problems are still there for OGS

It will be interesting to see what support OGS gets in January, will they spend and who is making the decision. We will have a new manager in a few months, on what basis do we buy when it may not suit the next permanent manager, unless we buy a couple of Spurs key players!

If we suddenly see a rejuvenated set of players, people will be on here saying shows how bad Mourinho was. However, it should show how let down we have been by some players, they need rooting out and selling. OGS may be the baby faced assassin again by getting rid of some before the new manager arrives in summer.

Red Man

{Ed025's Note - getting a new manager is only half the problem though red man, you have to get rid of woodward if you are to progress, he is a little weasel who,s arse licking antics to keep the owners happy has been to the detriment of the club mate..


1.) 22 Dec 2018 10:24:47
Ed0025

Totally agree Woodward needs to go back to Finance, away from the football side.

{Ed025's Note - yeah mate, the playing side of things has been overlooked with him in the saddle red man and profits being the main aim over on field success, hes a creepy little scrotum who kow-tows to the glazers who are happy that the bucks are still rolling in even when the team are awful..


2.) 22 Dec 2018 10:38:41
Surely it would make sense to keep Woodward because he certainly knows how to bring money into the club what we need to do is remove Woodward from the football side of the business which is what I'm assuming a director of football would do, act as a go between between the manager and Woodward.


3.) 22 Dec 2018 12:20:01
I think OGS job has more to do with morale as anything else. Not sure about him long term but he will get the players happy and playing, hopefully Pogba and Sanchez. whatever else, they are great players. I still think we already have enough to get us up the league and if Ole gets their heads straight, life for whoever takes over in the summer will be easier. At the moment, we need our identity back and Ole can do that, get the shape and style going and the new manager will see things more clearly. Good luck Ole.


4.) 22 Dec 2018 14:02:33
An article from the Independent on the role of the money men at Manchester United.

'Why Manchester United will always make decisions for profit, not trophies, that reflect its true share price'.

goo.gl/yX24EN


5.) 22 Dec 2018 14:11:45
Discountdave

I believe a Director of Football should report the same way Woodward does, perhaps to the board or owners and not to Woodward. Otherwise how will decisions change from where they are now?


6.) 22 Dec 2018 14:16:22
Ed002's already said Ole will have no input into January transfers, either incomings or outgoings. He's an interim manager. Why would he have a say?

{Ed004's Note - It does seem like we will attempt to make January signings though. In particular there are strong links to both Costa and Milenkovic. So hopefully we will see the club try to sort out problem areas in central defense and out wide right. We have a strong basis in nets, fullbacks, midfield and most of the attack. Two signings could have a massive impact}


7.) 22 Dec 2018 16:28:24
Would you take either of them, Ed004?

{Ed004's Note - I would probably take both of them. Bailly needs a partner who is strong in the air and decent on the ball. While our right side needs someone who can beat a man}


8.) 22 Dec 2018 19:47:10
I like Milenkovic, but I have a feeling Costa might be more trouble than he's worth.


 

 

18 Dec 2018 19:28:46
No doubt there is a brighter mood, especially to those who wanted the manager out. It has to be said that having watched Mourinho sit on the bench on Sunday, it seemed he hardly shouted to get the players going, there seemed an acceptance the end was nigh. Today, I felt a wave of relief, not because he had been sacked but because maybe it was time to deal with all the issues, maybe they have a plan and things will move forward, now we will see.

The worry is the decision process and is there is a capability to get it right? We are still within the six year contract period given to Moyes, Mourinho was given a contract extension, which usually means the board is happy and will support the manager. Last summer followed that and now that extension of contract will likely have just cost the company of Manchester United a lot of extra money. So how sound will the decision process be?

An interim to the end of the season, ok, time to reflect, set up a structure, have the selection and thought process they should have had in place to cope with SAFs retirement. Solskjaer sounds a sentimental choice, not really sure there is a basis for that unless we just want a United man, but sentiment runs through the club, said that many times. Ole is a hero to all of us, but Manager of United would be a strange decision. We still could make the top four, whilst it is difficult we still could beat PSG and there is the FA cup, so why seemingly accept the season may not be successful by appointing a nice likelable man who lacks the level of experience, it looks like sentiment. Another huge risk when there is still so much to play for.

I see Blanc mentioned, championed by the Ed, not sure for me, not permanently anyway. Certainly more an interim.

If it is to be an interim only I would go Wenger, fits the bill for a short term role, if indeed he wanted it. However, if sentiment sways the decision, who knows, Solskjaer is left field,

Long term, it needs a good plan, it needs a definition of what United is about and fit from there. We have some really excellent youth so involve the class of 92, bring them in house, get Rio Ferdinand involved, create the right surroundings, the right atmosphere. I have no idea why SAF went for dinner with them all the other night but see what they have to offer.

I think the club will go for Pochettino, as they say in Poker, that would be all in and they would have to give him more than 2 and a half years. The next 7 months will define the next 20 years.

Red Man

1.) 18 Dec 2018 20:10:20
Really good post that redman.
For me its a case of wait and see.
Ive no real preferred candidate for an interim role.
Long term i think the club need to appoint a well respected proven experienced manager. One that is hungry for success. A manager that plays attacking football a manager that represents the club the fans and the players.
Who knows who the club will appoint sort term. let's hope its a fun ride. Fun has been in short supply but being am optimist i'd say the good times are only around the corner.


2.) 18 Dec 2018 20:46:46
Very good post Redman.


3.) 18 Dec 2018 20:42:14
Im sure Blanc's situation around historical comments will rule him out.


4.) 18 Dec 2018 21:24:25
Bielsa anyone?


5.) 18 Dec 2018 22:08:25
Red Man, I. ove you but you sound like Canute, the season is over. The rest of this year is about building confidence, and restoring identity. I know you were loyal to Mourinho, but you have made some great points about player power and the need for strong leadership; not sure EW will deliver to those.

Interim is a problem, Giggs works for me an an interim. As for the long term, I haven’t got a bloody clue!


6.) 18 Dec 2018 22:19:53
Lads is solskjaer.


7.) 18 Dec 2018 22:30:40
I agree AJH i have no idea who the best man for the job is.
By all accounts we will appoint a technical director before we appoint a full time manager.
Ive no preference for an interim. Ole is as good an option as has been mentioned if it suits him and molde. He knows the club and he has had some experience. He knows what the fans want to see. He could steady the ship bring back a feel good factor.


8.) 18 Dec 2018 22:39:09
AJH

We should never give in on any competition until we can’t win it, no matter how bad the odds are. The next few months should also be about auditioning the players, let’s see which of those disruptive influences deserve to be retained because there are some who have disrespected the shirt

Looks like Solskjaer for interim if Sky Sports and the Norwegian pm are correct but that is a big risk.


9.) 18 Dec 2018 22:32:40
If I was Mourinho, I'd be determined to land another top job - Real or PSG springs to mind - win the CL with them and say a big thumbs down to you, to everyone at United and in the media. can't think of a stronger motivation!


10.) 18 Dec 2018 23:28:12
Id be betting on inter or madrid. And he will win trophies for sure.


11.) 18 Dec 2018 23:28:12
Id be betting on inter or madrid. And he will win trophies for sure.


 

 

12 Dec 2018 18:19:35
Most will know that Garner and Greenwood have been involved with the squad for tonight, maybe one will make the bench, even get on. However, look up Shola Shoretire, 14 years and 10 months, who made his debut in our U19 win tonight. Apparently extremely highly thought of and I believe the youngest ever to play at that level. Keep your eye out for him.

Red Man

1.) 12 Dec 2018 19:02:19
And the other fella fish (first name escapes me) is only 15. That current under 19’s side is excellent, I love watching Gomes.


2.) 12 Dec 2018 19:23:00
Good shout red man. The u18s and u19s have done quite well this year. Hopefully a couple in there that will excel.


3.) 12 Dec 2018 20:20:21
Nice to see a Neville back in the team too haha.


 

 

 

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03 Jan 2019 22:25:09
As with other young players TFM has sadly not developed and if he isn’t outstanding at a lower level club the chances are he just doesn’t have what it takes and is not going to make it. The fact he has not even established himself in lesser teams which says a lot. I always felt he was a holding midfield player and hopefully he will carve out a career but I can’t see it being in Uniteds first team now.

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02 Dec 2018 22:05:19
There is a present incumbent so the position is not open. Yet it is worrying that some believe the manager of Bournmouth is the answer to one of the biggest clubs in the world. We suffered with Moyes, who had managed a bigger club than Bournmouth. If I was to speculate I would ponder about Conte in present circumstances.

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21 Nov 2018 22:30:20
Shappy

We get it, you want to hang, draw and quarter Mourinho

I think the real question is who is making the decisions because for a manager with such experience it is hard to see why some have been signed, unless they are not his signings. However, you won’t be happy until Jose has been dismissed, so they all have to be his signings to fit the prosecution evidence at his trial

By the way it is hard to argue that Fellaini was not a Moyes signing given where he came from, how and why.

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21 Nov 2018 21:02:02
Shappy

Were they all Mourinho’s signings? I refer you to Ed’s post lower down. “he was well down the list of options available although remained of interest - but as they have failed to sign who Mr Mourinho has wanted he is again an option”.

You can keep blaming the manager for everything, but have to ignore what the Ed tells you.

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13 Nov 2018 19:15:56
Shappy

“Sir Alex was at the start of his career”, when he came to us is what you are saying. Off the top of my head he had been managing for about 12 years, including about 6 at Aberdeen winning leagues and cups and was about 46 years old when he came to Utd, only 9 years younger than Mourinho is now. So Mourinho was about 6 years older than SAF when he arrived.

Many of the other managers you mention have leadership above them that gives more direction and stability with a modern infrastructure, players don’t think the manager will be ditched when toxic fans start moaning loudly so they have to work. They knew SAF was going nowhere so it was work or get the boot, it is why they gave Moyes a 6 year contract to offset that psychology but it didn’t work.

When do we say the players are also a problem or doesn’t that suit the agenda?

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15 Jan 2019 06:33:19
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CV, there are others who will be considered who have a CV showing proof they can build teams which challenge, teams that play winning football, integrate and develop youth and importantly over years as a period in the main leagues. Ole doesn’t have that and it means the club will only have what he does over the next few months to show he has what it takes. Permanent has different expectations to Temporary, not just as a football manager.

We would all love it to be genius and the start of something great but there are huge risks if we get it wrong. CV is what most are reviewed on for a job and Ole’s is not strong so perhaps he has more to show than usual.

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13 Jan 2019 11:37:20
Shappy

Southgate is a total no

Howe, I seriously don’t think he is a viable option, there has been gathering criticism for his clubs situation recently. Perhaps if he takes a step up to a top 6 candidate, a Leicester and after we see how he copes in that next role.

Blanc, not for me, what has he been doing for the last couple of years.

We need to be careful with gambles, those younger managers can get lost in the size of job we have at OT. We gambled with Moyes and LvG, Mourinho didn’t work and wasn’t supported, so another gamble with a multi Billion pound business is too risky for me.
Pep is unattainable
So despite not yet winning anything (which may be put right by summer) Pochettino would be my first choice. However, knowing our club, they may not be willing to pay what it takes, what Levy will demand, providing, of course, he wants to come to us and we should not assume that.

After Poch, perhaps we should consider Simeone?

Third choice, how about Woodward.?

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07 Jan 2019 21:27:32
Yes Noucamp, I would like to enjoy the football without the sentimental calls to appoint Ole on a permanent basis on a nearly daily basis. If only we could all just relax and Que sera sera.

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07 Jan 2019 06:57:22
I am with United Addict. I find it hard to believe the level of sentimentality amongst our support. Perhaps Munich makes us all more emotionally bought in. It feels like SAF has control of the club at a time we need to look forward not back. For me we should have a plan in place, be working now towards it, know who we want and aim for it. If the board are deflected by emotion or are uncertain or become split, and are not 100% professional we could make the wrong decision. SAF will like Ole, but he liked Moyes, let’s remember that, the values of the 80’s are not necessarily going to work as we approach 2020.

We have had three appointments gone wrong, another will put the club back to the 70’s. People are smiling now but we still have a bunch of players choosing when they want to play and if you watched the programme last night on SAF you will know that is unacceptable to him. I just doubt Ole is the right man for such a huge task, it’s my opinion and each time the club has made a change recently, it wasn’t the one I wanted and it hasn’t gone well. I am concerned at whether we have a robust enough decision making process.

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06 Jan 2019 09:21:44
Norwegianred

Like I said we need to move forwards not look back, learn from the past but not use it as the blueprint for the future. The club is sentimental and I fear the leadership will make decisions based on that sentiment plus money. We need to stop trying to recreate SAF, they tried it with Moyes and appointing Ole may be another attempt.

Questions
Will, by appointing Ole, it keep supporters happy with the owners and board, keep the image nice to ensure fans continue buying products? ; Will, by appointing Ole, it save paying out a big payment to secure another manager? (Imagine the horror at the financial cost (£40m) of getting Poch, dividends may have to be reduced) ; Will, by appointing Ole, it mean there will be less pressure from the manager to spend big money on players? (The club can become a real financial powerhouse delivering improving results as other large companies aim to) . The answer is yes and that is a worry, the question should be, Will, by appointing Ole, it take the club forward giving it the strength of leadership and back to the top of English and European football?

I can already see the start of the softening, fans being gullible calling for him to be appointed, hints he has support of the board in particular SAF to be permanent, it worries me to be honest. Love Ole, for his work as a player, for the fact his heart is in the right place but as the permanent manager when our two biggest rivals have better managers is a recipe for major concern and no amount of sentiment heaped on fans is going to make it right. There is a very small chance he can truly demonstrate he has what it takes in the next six months but even then it would be a major risk.

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