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23 Jul 2018 19:43:22
Who knows how true a rumour is but today it is said Mourinho is meeting Woodward and a member of the Glazer family. It is rumoured Mourinho is not at all happy with transfers. Last summer he openly asked for 4 and they let him down only got 3 and didn't bring in the wide attacker, we can see what has happened this summer and whilst the window isn't closed is anyone else getting the feeling there is a financial squeeze?

I hope Mourinho has the guts to call the owners and Woodward out, something SAF didn't. To get change a business needs to experience pain so for me if there is a financial squeeze I hope Mourinho walks away, leaves us in the mess the club will have brought on itself. Years of no value, LvG saying he didn't get what he wanted, only 3 out of 4 last summer. The trend has to stop now, I hope Mourinho is the one to finally take a stand. What we have isn't good enough, 2 more players, no fullbacks, really? Time for change at Old Trafford.

Red Man

1.) 23 Jul 2018 20:46:59
Red man the club is obviously trying to sell off a few before we can buy. Our moto like citys when they first got money of double or tripling players wages will always come back to haunt us. Weve spent like the moneys burning a hole in our pockets without a clear plan. The club may also view 3/ 8 of joses signings could be gone by the end of the summer that's hardly a good turn around on who the manager is investing in either.

2.) 23 Jul 2018 20:52:36
Hope so RM.

3.) 23 Jul 2018 21:17:56

Do we really know how many were Mourinho’s first choice? We know he did not get Perisic. There is a pattern from when the owners arrived and now the club owners need to realise this isn’t a transition from SAF to a new manager but from United to a new dynasty, either City or Liverpool and they are letting it happen on their watch. I have banged on about a plan for years whilst watching City when they were dismissed as noisy. The owners need to have a plan and be decisive, now, right now.

4.) 23 Jul 2018 21:36:52
Walk away without a payoff? Rightfully no way he'd do that.

If mourinho is really that upset, no reason why they can't come to a mutual agreement and a stopgap manager put in charge till next season.

5.) 23 Jul 2018 21:39:44
Think we have spent plenty with the last 2 managers. Our targets are with other large European clubs and so it’s not easy to get them in.
Where is the development of youth? We have a good coaching and scouting system with some excellent youngsters pushing through who won’t get a chance under JM.
It’s not all about pure money.
I like JM but he is a 3 year project which is coming to an end. If he could see the bigger picture then he has the chance to create sonething special at Utd. Our club and fans are more patient and will stick by a manager who is creating a team between bringing in top class and developing youth within. As long as too 4 is achieved people will stick with the project if it’s a long term plan.

6.) 23 Jul 2018 22:49:49
The point is does the club have a plan. It doesn't look like it.

7.) 23 Jul 2018 23:10:52
Mourinho looks completely disinterested during the matches. His demeanor and comments afterward makes it seem like these friendlies are for fitness only, it looks like there are no tactics being worked on. He has also shown very little enthusiasm for his own players. His lack of passion looks like it is spreading to the players, and the fans as well. I think it is shocking that a manager, whatever his resume, can have so little enthusiasm for such a big job.

8.) 24 Jul 2018 04:27:20
Spent millions and people are still hanging on to the poor Jose line .
He didn't get perisic so what it happens, Jose has said he didn't want to come and he signed a nice new deal with inter.
So we went and got Sanchez instead what's the problem?

9.) 24 Jul 2018 06:33:53

The problem? Fullback, centre half, right side attack to create and score goals, as a minimum.

10.) 24 Jul 2018 06:44:00
Every single manager without exception missed out on at least one transfer target last summer.

It has probably happened to Mourinho every season at every club he has worked at.

Ed002 has said Mourinho doesn't want to be at our club, and that it has little to do with his professional life and more to do with his personal life. That suggests the club aren't doing a lot wrong in Mourinho's eyes.

If he's kicking up a stink it's because he has decided he wants out and is just trying to engineer it. He missed his daughters graduation to be on the preseason tour. From what Ed002 has said that is more likely to have caused Jose's bad mood than a lack of transfers.

6 years ago I would have agreed with you about a lack of investment from the owners. Personally I still think they are investing poorly on quick fixes rather than a long term plan.

However, Jose has spent over 400m so far. A figure matched/ beaten only by Pep at city. So I don't think Jose has a right to claim the owners haven't backed him.

It is not the fault of the money men that the targets Jose wanted haven't worked out. Mkhitaryan already sold. 65m spent on Bailly and Lindelof and yet Jose wants another CB because he isn't happy with the ones he bought. Club record fee on Pogba and now touting him around Europe as again Jose isn't happy with him. Zlatan was only ever a short term fix, yet the club agreed to extend his stay while injured on Jose's say so. Jose then played him 4/ 5 times before he left. He was on a crazy contact by all accounts, so I can't see the club being too happy at extending his contract for him to play less minutes than Scott McTominay.
Sanchez is another who was signed and as yet has not proven his worth.

Then there is the 70m+ worth of young talent in Martial and Shaw which Mourinho shows little interest in developing.

Mourinho has been gloomy and miserable since day one and we can't blame that on the owners. Red man I know your a big Jose fanboy, but it appears I may have been right when I said hiring Jose will end in tears. He just isn't the right fit. I know he has the ego and the drive to win like Sir Alex, but Sir Alex had so much more. It's like taking two ingredients out of your favourite meal and slapping them in something else, it won't be the same as your favourite meal. I love a Sunday roast, and roast potatoes and beef make the meal, however, they would be awful in a trifle, or in my corn flakes.

Sir Alex was the perfect man manager, knowing how to change tact to get a tune out of everyone. With Jose it's his way or the highway.

And so far it looks like it's the highway for around 150-200m worth of our players the most of that players Jose himself has bought. So I could see why the owners might be a little more concerned about trusting Jose's judgement on players this summer.

11.) 24 Jul 2018 07:34:07
Top post Shappy, we’ve spent a lot, some of it badly, bought who the Manager wanted, and he doesn’t play them or wants them gone. It’s the Board’s fault, go figure.

12.) 24 Jul 2018 07:42:54

One point I can tell you from your post is very wrong, I am not a Jose “fanboy”, and I have posted who I wanted as manager many times, but why let the truth get in the way of your anti Jose position. When Bailly was playing well Jose got no credit and it was a club decision to buy, now it’s his fault we spent money on him. Pep bought and sold and their club supported him, do we support our own in the same way? Apart from Matic do we really know how many were Jose first choice signings? He needed many positions changing but did he have the budget after years of underfunding? He may have approved some but that doesn’t mean they were his first choice. If you look back at our transfer activity the dip in buying started when the club changed owners, buoyed by the longevity of what was already there and SAF we kept going, the dip started when Ron left and years of underfunding has come home to roost. Looks like we are watching the same dance again this summer.

13.) 24 Jul 2018 08:08:36
Red man, you've always been a huge fan of Jose. Since the mid 00's you have said he would be the perfect replacement for Sir Alex. You said when we hired Moyes that it should have been Jose. Under LvG you said we should have hired Jose. So under our last three managers before hiring Jose you have stated Jose should be our manager. In my books that makes you a bit of a fanboy.

You say the spending has dried up under the current ownership. Yet the the club has broken it's transfer record as many times since Sir Alex has retired as we did under him. We've broken the world record transfer fee and the world record fee paid for a teenager in the last 4 seasons.

Has Jose been backed? Yes, 400m in a shade over two years in charge is certainly some backing.

Your excuse of whether they were Jose's first choice is laughable. Bailly wasn't his first choice, and is probably one of his best signings. He wanted Perisic and got Sanchez a player many of us believe is better than his first choice. Zlatan, Matic, Lukaku were definitely his first choice. Pogba was a player he was interested in at Chelsea. Lindelof was another he wanted after leaning heavily on advice from people he trusts in Portugal.

Regardless of whether they are his first choice, second choice or third choice. They are players he wanted and he got them. So he can have no complaints. No manager gets all the players they want, but they don't for the most part throw their toys out the pram like a petulant child. Especially when only one manager in the history of world football has spent more money than you in such a short space of time.

Jose has been well backed, now he has to deliver. So far this preseason he seems to be getting his excuses in early. I suspect another Jose third season implosion.

14.) 24 Jul 2018 08:27:36

Incorrect, yet again. I wanted Jose to replace SAF because it needed someone with stature. I wanted Klopp to replace Moyes and then wanted Pep to replace LvG. It was all written on here, only when Pep declared for City did I suggest Jose. If you get that so wrong when I have repeated it many times what else do you get wrong?

15.) 24 Jul 2018 12:48:45
If the board don't trust Jose, why give him a contract extension. Also if Jose is that unhappy why sign it? Just extra post melt down compo?

{Ed002's Note - The club wants consistecy - Mourinho will be more than happy to take the money. The fans did the damage a couple of years ago and are entirely responsible for where the club is now.}

16.) 24 Jul 2018 15:18:22
Ed 002 - LVG and his awful football had nothing to do with it?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

17.) 24 Jul 2018 18:05:52
Shappy on the money.

18.) 25 Jul 2018 11:26:42
Here we go again. Fans fault. Let’s just remove them from football completely. Ruining it.

19.) 26 Jul 2018 11:20:22
Ed do you mind explaining why the fans are at fault?

{Ed002's Note - The toxics forced the club to change their agreed plan because they are far from bright.}

20.) 26 Jul 2018 12:17:33
The agreed plan being to let Van Gaal see out his project?

{Ed002's Note - And then to be replaced by Max Allegri.}



17 Jul 2018 09:28:49
No idea how true it is but am led to believe that Woodward is struggling on recruitment (perhaps Glazernomics, perhaps being led up dead ends) and the Manager is not happy with the situation. The next few weeks will be interesting.

Red Man

1.) 17 Jul 2018 09:36:47
If Mourinho is going to be that unhappy with the situation i hope both parties come to some sort of mutual termination before the season starts.

Better that than mourinho sulking for the first half in the season and the club has to end up sacking him.

2.) 17 Jul 2018 12:12:59
or maybe its the fact that this is not football manager and it takes time to complete a transfer.

the panic is already starting to creep in.

3.) 17 Jul 2018 12:56:27
If Jose was an adaptable, modest and inspiring manager he would realise that our squad is only 2 or 3 additions away from being up there with the very best.

However, his insistence on sticking with the only way of football he knows and picking fights with his players has left us with a needed squad overhaul in his eyes.



01 May 2017 09:31:34
I read this morning that Romero has bought a house in Milan. Obviously no idea if that is true or whether he is leaving but strange place to buy if you play in Manchester.

Red Man

1.) 01 May 2017 13:41:07
Holiday home/ investment property? Doubt he's short of a few quid.

2.) 01 May 2017 18:25:03
Linked with inter.

3.) 02 May 2017 08:23:11
Get the lad from Milan and send them a ready made replacement?



01 Apr 2017 12:59:16
Today I understand another young reserve (he is 20) has been added to the match day squad, Matthew Willock, in addition to Tuanzebe and TFM. This is down to injuries but also because we have released the older "blockers" in the squad. I hope all three get some time and show what they can do. Like Rashford last season, until they step onto the biggest stage in key matches (the pressure to win is now on), we won't know how they handle it.

Personally I have seen many youngsters debut at OT and there is a buzz of excitement when they step out. Good luck to Willock if he gets on and it will do wonders for the youth/ reserve set up to see progress. I hope young Gomes gets some time soon and possibly Gribben if they continue progress and are physically able.

Funny but today may need Fellaini especially against a West Brom team who can and like to score from dead balls.

Red Man

1.) 01 Apr 2017 17:53:35
Another draw at home, top four just seems out of reach at the moment, Its the old Man Utd way, when teams above us drop points so do we. But the most frustrating thing for me is Micki taken off again and martial and lingard left on.
Hope Jose has a plan for next season regarding strikers, it's plain to see if Zlatan don't score, nor does anyone else. Looks like another season of frustration and missed chances.



25 Oct 2014 06:38:03
Interesting That the Valdes rumour had been around a while.

13 Aug 2014
Despite being injured I did read a while ago that we had interest in Victor Valdes as competition for De Gea, following Valdes injury lay off but not heard much in a while. Not sure whether Valdes has found a club as yet. I also read that De Gea's girlfriend was encouraging him to move back to Spain and whilst there has been no suggestion he would, a good number 2 could be important

Red Man




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11 Nov 2018 09:43:10
Good derby day morning,

Today we play a club in Stockport that sadly appears to be far better run than our own. Whatever the result I think the City juggernaut will mean they are Champions again this season and we are far from having the structure to match them.

This has been allowed to happen under Gill but very much more so under Woodward. Look at our structure. We have Jim Lawlor, appointed by SAF, who is chief scout but also have a "Head of Global Scouting" called Marcel Bout, appointed by LvG! It doesn't stop there, we also have a "Head of Development" called John Murtough, appointed by Moyes. Adding a DOF in there will likely confuse matters further, I suspect that may be delayed until the end of the season.

When it comes to signings Mourinho will have a say but given so many "heads", how much say? Then signings would all need signing off by Woodward. There is a rumour that when signing Pogba, consideration was given to how much his social media might benefit the club. If true it's ridiculous. There are also rumours that the approach of City compared to us, trying to sign players, indicated City were far more coordinated, City know what they want and why. Liverpool and City have a transfer committee, but does anyone know what we do? Easy to blame the manager but unless there is a coordinated approach then it is likely to bring chaos, is that not what we have seen for 6 years?

When we take to the pitch today, I go back to something I posted, I think last season, that we have players from four different philosophies and mind sets at the club, trying to put them together is one reason why we have had difficulties. Trying to get a coherent strategy for anything, the style or transfer activity, must be difficult and compared to City it tells me that unless Woodward gets the structure in place we could be having similar derbies looking up at City for some time.

Red Man

1.) 11 Nov 2018 11:13:50
Well said RedMan.

2.) 11 Nov 2018 11:39:28
Do you actually know what the roles of people you are criticizing are?

Also given that literally none of Mourinho's signings can be called outright successes after spending the money he has, its not just easy to blame the manager it is the only option.

3.) 11 Nov 2018 12:22:29
Every club at this level takes more into account tban just ability when signing a player for that amount of money. It is outdated to think that clubs only care about winning football matches.

As for all the roles you have criticised - unless you have an insider understanding of their roles (rather than titles) then it is unfair to criticise. Indeed, we have spent lots of money and signed plenty big names for managers (except Moyes) . If you are looking for someone to blame then ed002 already said the Board capitulated to 'toxic' fans.

4.) 11 Nov 2018 13:12:26
CSM/ So72

I haven’t criticised anyone, I don’t know the remit for the roles or how they performing them. I have pointed out that there are such roles appointed under different managers who have different playing styles and ask what our coordinated strategy is? The starategy we have been on has hardly been successful has it, however, CSM, you just want to blame the manager. If you carried on doing that we would be in the same situation in 10 years. Definition of madness is keep doing the same thing expecting a different outcome.

5.) 11 Nov 2018 13:31:53
I get your point Red Man but I think we're just looking for excuses.

Chelsea don't appear to suffer the way we have? They replace mangers with alarming regularity yet don't appear to seek out a particular style or character. They've jumped from Ancelotti to Mourinho to Conte now Sarri. All have different approaches and styles yet all have been successful (early days for Sarri) . The truth is good players can adapt to any style or system. I accept that some tweaking is required but Chelsea still have many of the players that won the title under Mourinho.

It's always seemed absurd to me that the manager doesn't have an input or the final say on transfers. Things don't need to be complicated in my opinion.

What we need to do is simply sign better players and appoint better managers. Sometimes players or managers don't work out, even good ones can struggle to settle or adapt.

I'm not advocating we become a sacking Club. We can still operate with fairness and integrity. We should back our managers, give them what they want (within the constraints of the Club obviously) but they must understand that we are an ambitious Club with high expectations which must be met. If come the end of the season those expectations have not been fulfilled then we look for somebody new that can.

Praise City's structure all you want but the reason they are enjoying this period is because of Pep. It's really not rocket science, they appointed the best manager and they have backed their man. Liverpool have improved because of Klopp. We weren't praising their structure or transfer committee under Hodgson or Rodgers?!

So far Mourinho has done ok. Two trophies, fa cup finalist and runners up isn't to shabby. His style has been turgid at times, his methods antagonistic and divisive but for those who expected different don't understand Mourinho. For whatever reason we failed to back him in the summer which explains the poor start. He's had to build bridges, heal wounds (many of his own making admittedly) and we've suffered. If he can turn things around remains to be seen but the moral of the story must be back your manager or don't whichever the case maybe but a halfway house is no good for anyone.

There was success after Busby, there will be success after Fergi. We are a gigantic Club with huge resources. We should always strive to be the best, not accept mediocrity, but that doesn't mean we have to act without honesty or integrity. For me Man Utd should stand for excellence and accept nothing less. Players and managers are paid handsomely to represent this excellence and if they can't deliver then unfortunately we must find others that can. This is the nature of the business, this is the nature of Man Utd. Nobody said it was easy!

6.) 11 Nov 2018 13:56:36
We haven't been great in the market under Jose there's been about 11 players bought in just over two year and only 2 are nailed on starters matic and pogba and they cause debate.
Maybe that's harsh on lukaku who only recently has lost his place, maybe through injury but poor form aswell so who knows and lindelehoff who's beginning to finally be a regular but maybe through default of iffy other options .
Lots of signings under lvg were just as in and out of the side aswell. It's definitely an area we can improve on . It's difficult to apportion blame without knowing the process.

7.) 11 Nov 2018 13:59:23
That saved me having to read the report in the Fail on Sunday, Red Man 😁 I agreed with most of it as well.

8.) 11 Nov 2018 14:55:17
Redman this isn't the first post of yours about how its all down to the management just because you are using new names doesn't change the overall jist of your post, which is blame the glazers and woodward but not mourinho.

What does having people appointed under different manager have to do with anything, i have no clue about what their jobs exactly entail but i highly doubt a head scout will be deciding our football strategy and who he was signed by matters not to me as much as is good at his job does.

Much of the mess mourinho is of his making not woodward's, mourinho's preffered lw choice is blowing hot and cold in serie A, his other 30 yr old signing matic has been a colossal waste of money. But let's blame woodward for saying no more journey men to mourinho. We are into the 3rd season and we are still in the fit pogba into the 11 and get the best out of him stage, but come on let's sell him so that moourinho can screw around with his latest 100 mn signing.

You praise city, one of the reason they are doing well is because guardiola understands what he wants and signs those players and has an actual philosophy and strategy to play football unlike our manager who plays FM with is signings and has no attacking identity or defensive organisation. Last I checked those aren't things anyone other than guardiola is responsible for at city.

Also backing a manager who has had the 2nd worst start to the season, we know how the worst one ended don't we. Does this fit well with your madness analogy?

9.) 11 Nov 2018 15:49:38

Guardiola arrived at City long after Soriano and Begiristain had set a plan and manoeuvred that club along the planned path as part of it, so on arrival Pep was the cherry on top of the cake. When Pep looks to recruit it will be part of a plan to fit the picture they have, maybe that picture is all about football success and isn’t impacted by social media clicks. Then, remember, Pep will be discussing it with fellow football people, aligned in what they believe in and not financial experts in adding a new noodle partner.
If United hadn’t backed SAF back in 1989.90 and I recall we finished one season about 13th off the top of my head, how successful would we have become? Sometimes sacking the manager isn’t the answer no matter how frustrated some fans like you are. There is more to fix in the background.

10.) 11 Nov 2018 16:23:49
I think Red Man is spot on. Other clubs seem much more coordinated and clear about what they are trying to achieve, we seem a little all over the place. Most of our signings recently have not been huge successes, there are as many that have come and gone that have stayed, and those that have stayed have been mixed.

I hate City but their approach has been long term and focused, Liverpool also seem to have got their act together. We seem to wave a cheque book about, does anyone think Sanchez was anything other than a kneee jerk signing? We lack leadership, EW may be a commercial genius but I don’t think he should be leading the football side.

11.) 11 Nov 2018 16:32:12
Redman fergie was a young manager who was looking to overhaul the club not a middle aged manager who lost his last 2 dressing rooms and whose strategy is trying to get rid of the young talent we have, so as to sign 30 somethings who will give him a trophy or 2 before he goes somewhere else.

Also the financial expert seemed to have gotten Mourinho most of his targets and ones he refused to sell despite Mourinho wanting them gone are ones saving Mourinho's ass this season. Not bad I think, imagine what he could do with another to help him and a manager who actually knows what he is doing.

12.) 11 Nov 2018 16:44:28
Everyone says how City had planned for Pep long before he came, and how they set things up ready for him when he arrived. But how true is that?

Hasn't Pep spent 80m on two goalkeepers?

Hasn't he spent 100m on two new CB's?

Hasn't he spent 200m on FOUR new full backs?

Hasn't he spent another 200m on new midfielders and forwards?

How many of the first 11 were actually at the club prior to Pep taking over?

2 maybe 3. That doesn't sound like they prepared too well for him does it? The only thing you can say they "prepared" for him was that he would be working with a couple of people above him who he had worked with before.

That doesn't sound like City had a plan for Pep. More like they had a plan to set the club up well, hired who they thought was best placed to run the club how they saw fit. Then these people have hired a manager who they knew they had a good working relationship with and who could take the club the next step.

Lets not kid ourselves that City started some grand plan to hire Pep 7-8 years ago and have been building towards it ever since.



21 Oct 2018 09:02:39
Did that supposed blue tinge that several members of the board allegedly still see around Mourinho, fade completely yesterday?

The ungrateful Chelsea fans chanted at him and their assistant goaded him. Personally his reaction to the goading and crowd said to me there should no longer be any hint of blue tinge.

The tactics and team selection were spot on yesterday, we deserved the win. My only disappointments were Lukaku who didn't seem to move (or move at all) from his comfortable spot in the middle until about 20 mins to go and the concentration of Pogba. Lukaku doesn't seem to add danger or movement in behind, seems to be bulky, doesn't work the centre backs, his control and working the ball is inadequate. He will have to improve and I hope our manager is as tough with Lukaku as he was with Shaw and Martial. However, before spending mega millions on a striker, keep an eye on Mason Greenwood, too young yet but he, like Chong, may have something.

We looked like we have turned a corner, looked like a team and that bodes well for coming matches and hopefully the season as long as the board back the manager.

Red Man

1.) 21 Oct 2018 10:07:43
If the board backed the manager, shaw and martial probably would not be at the club.

2.) 21 Oct 2018 10:36:58
Dsg good point that.

3.) 21 Oct 2018 10:53:40
Also on chong and greenwood, is mourinho the best manager to develop them.

Im just going on evidence, cast your minds back a couple of months to pre season when mourinho spent most press conferences bemoaning the fact he had to take the kids on tour with him.

4.) 21 Oct 2018 12:52:04
Red Man/ DSG - I think you both make good points.

I don't think anyone has ever questioned Martial's talent. He is undoubtedly a brilliant and clinical finisher. The problem has been consistency and perhaps a questionable attitude at times. This is not unusual with young players but we're relying on him to produce the goods now and that's been the problem. Whenever he's been left out of the team it's always felt like he's being punished rather than protected and nurtured.

We've seen some extraordinary players mature and develop at our Club over the years from the Busby Babes to the Class of 92 to Rooney and Ronaldo and many more along the way. We all recognise and understand talent when we see it. SAF always demonstrated great faith in young players but his success at the Club bought him time and patience.

The point about Mourinho is pertinent. I think if he wants to be successful at Utd then he will have to be patient and play the long game. He came to Utd with a glistening CV, the self proclaimed Special One capable of recapturing past glories and chasing the noisy neighbours out of Town.

The problem was Utd weren't ready. We'd fallen behind. We had an unbalanced squad of average players littered with some very promising youngsters. This was never a quick fix. The younger players needed nurturing and patience. Recruitment needed to be intelligent and sensible. The re build slow and steady, piece by piece, brick by brick. Mourinho probably still hurting from his Chelsea catastrophe and fuelled by his own ego failed to recognise that success couldn't be achieved over night and he grew angry and frustrated.

The key to our future success rests at the feet of the likes of Shaw, Martial, Rashford, Bailly even Pogba (if he sticks around) . Recruitment should have been based around helping, nurturing and getting the best out of them not replacing them. Rojo, Darmian, Fellaini, Maybe even Smalling and Jones were the players that needed replacing.

By chasing success we have ignored the very principle's that got us there in the first place. Patience, trusting in youth and a commitment to attacking football.

Maybe the penny has finally dropped. The last couple of games have seen a return to the old Utd. Thrilling come backs, filled with drama and entertainment. I'm not sure we've ever really played beautiful football but it's always been thrilling and unpredictable and perhaps that's always been our biggest draw.

If a line in the sand can be drawn, if a deeper understanding of our style and tradition can be gauged, if the politics of the Club can be overcome, if patience and restraint can triumph over ego and self importance then I see no reason why this marriage of convenience can't enjoy some happy years together. Maybe the bigger issue is has the damage already been done? Time will tell I suppose.



03 Oct 2018 19:45:03
Into the breach I go and this may not be popular. Right now it seems nearly everyone wants the head of the manager, yet I think people are not looking at the bigger picture. It's like an itch from a bite that you can't cope any more and just want to scratch, get rid of it, it is pain, a frustration that you want to end. The issue is that when you scratch it, the problem is still there, it will heal eventually but meanwhile there will still be more pain. Sack Mourinho seems the answer to some but what is left?

The club has no obvious strategy, or plan. If there was, how could the answers be Moyes, LvG or even Mourinho to follow LvG or to buy players we have at times without any obvious strategic aim? Has the manager bought the players or were they the type of player the managers identified and the cheaper option was chosen or were they shiny media money spinners to encourage sponsors?
This mess has been years in the making, yet people think a quick sacking will resolve it. In will step a knight in shining armour and all will be ok again. Except this isn't a movie.
I don't know how many people have actually been a manager in difficult times but in a mess like this a manager needs to lead, to be a leader, make tough difficult decisions and not stand for any nonsense. Thinking of the bear pit any new manager would walk into, how many of the shiny new coaches could be a leader? We seem to lack leadership from the owners and Woodward, it also looks like they put the manager in his place, undermined his power in summer, reducing him to feeling a coach not a manager. That will almost certainly have weakened Mourinho's position, or any leaders position and it could easily have contributed to the rise of player power. Player power, interesting, we seem to lack leaders on the pitch as well. There seems to be one leader who actually knows what it takes to win something and yet he is under the most pressure

To me this is the wrong time to sack the manager, there is more to fix first.

Red Man

{Ed025's Note - im afraid that insect bite has become a massive boil on the arse of united red man, the only cure is to cut out the infection before it creates a disease that is incurable, the gangrenous one has infected those around him now and it will become terminal unless action is taken pronto mate..

1.) 03 Oct 2018 20:05:51
Bit extreme ed025. Very OTT.

{Ed025's Note - i have never been a shrinking violet angel and am not about to start now mate..

2.) 03 Oct 2018 20:21:42
Waaaahhhh! Daddy didn't buy me the new toys I wanted, so I'm going to break the ones I've got!

3.) 03 Oct 2018 20:58:35
I believe Ed0025 is an Everton fan, I like Everton and have told the story that in 85 I was one who, with utter respect, chanted Everton, Everton to Peter Reid and co at Wembley. However, with respect, the situation at United is volatile and emotive right now so being told by Ed0025 how we should treat our manager does not sit well with me. I totally respect the Ed’s but in this case would ask whether we can have United supporting Ed who allows free discussion without an angle against the manager. Is there a United supporting Ed?

{Ed025's Note - yes ED004, i have no angle against the manager red man only a view as a neutral, but your wish i will respect and keep out of it mate..

4.) 03 Oct 2018 21:08:42
I don't like how this situation is framed as an either or situation.

Either you think sacking mourinho will solve all our issues or we have deep rooted issues top to bottom at the club.

Either we back the manager or give into player power and feed the egos of the spoilt brats we have for players.

The reality as ever is in the middle, we most definitely have structural issues that the club are trying to solve (lets face it the glazers and woodward are here as long as they want to be)

We have players who are conspiring against the manager and when he goes they should probably follow.

But mourinho has self destructed by himself, no one made him dig his players out in the media to the point that they no longer want to play for him.

No one made him play an inexperienced academy midfielder at centre back in a back three against west ham when bailly was available.

No one made mourinho play an average spanish midfielder at centre back in a back three against spurs when bailly was available.

No one makes him play both fellaini and matic in midfield every game when its clear in some games we need more mobility and creativity (fred, pereira or mata were available) .

We had a pretty good thing going into january 2018 but then we signed sanchez and mourinho decided to go to war with some of his main players. He has brought a lot of this onto himself.

5.) 03 Oct 2018 21:21:55
Good post DSG.

6.) 03 Oct 2018 21:29:40
Time to show him the door with his big pay off, we’d have more chance of positivity around the club if we had Karl Pilkington as manager .

7.) 03 Oct 2018 21:36:23
I love yr posts redman I genuinely respect yr views and you talk a lot of sense, I get your dislike of the owners and the board and think I understand it but if we are tenth and getting pezzled off West ham and Brighton and dumped out of a cup off Derby county at home and it's ok then maybe we should just get my mam in as manager, yr defending the indefensible if Moyes achieved the very same results how much slack would u cut him.

8.) 03 Oct 2018 21:34:42
As i understand, it's a banter site = people on here speak about other managers and Eds views are just as good as any one else - keep posting.

9.) 04 Oct 2018 00:34:31
For me I'd like to see ed 025 involved in this page a bit more
A gentleman with an honest view.
Can give it and take it the banter
And gives a straight view about Everton as well.

10.) 04 Oct 2018 04:04:12
I really don't understand the whole player power mustn't win argument. Also you can blame glazers as much as you want Redman it isn't their fault that Mourinho failed.

Mourinho clearly doesn't have a clue what he is doing.

This summer he wanted a 70mn cb to replace the 70mn cb's he himself bought and doesn't trust over smalling or jones. A 100mn mf was targetted to replace a 89mn mf he doesn't have a clue how to use. He has already replaced his failed 30mn playmaker signing with a winger we are paying 500k and wanted another winger because he didn't think through the simple point that we needed a rw and he bought someone for the left.

His striker who is generally his most important part of his attack can't hold up the ball or get involved in building attacks both of which are basic requirements of his style of football.

Only reason Mourinho has failed is because he has failed to adapt to football currently played, being completely clueless about what he wants to do and his unbelievable ability of pissing of the very people his job depends on.

11.) 03 Oct 2018 22:32:01
A bit harsh on ed025 RM. He is a great man for the banter and takes most views on board. He never minds when you disagree with him and treats us all with equal respect mate.

12.) 03 Oct 2018 22:55:01
Since when did we start picking and choosing which Ed's we wanted to have a say on things? It's not North Korea, where no dissenting voices are allowed. Ed025, you're welcome on here any time, mate. Always good for a laugh.

13.) 04 Oct 2018 06:39:26
That’s a bit out of order Red Man. Ed025 may be neutral but to me that makes his view even more relevant, United fans have extreme views at both ends of the spectrum so an unemotional intelligent neutral view is very welcome for me.

As for your point, I made a similar point recently about deeper rooted issues but right now, as predicted, our identity is being gradually destroyed and we are becoming a club I don’t like.

As DSG said, we were doing ok up to Vhristmas last year when for some unfathomabke reason we signed Sanchez. Big name, big reputation, no fee, stop Vity getting him, who knows why we signed him but for me that is when it started sliding.

Then we finish as runners up, add a Brazilian midfielder and yet this year we look a shadow of last years side. Public criticism of so many players, bizarre selections, a face like a smacked arse, constant whining, Mourinho is on a self destruct mission right now.

The Anager is the leader, he sets the agenda, creates the culture, and the culture we have right now is not great. We have players who are not good enough (not as many as some say) and we have players with the wrong attitude and they need shipping out. But that doesn’t chnage the fact that Mourinho is not the right man for our club. He was never a good fit and is doing everything possible to prove at the moment,

14.) 04 Oct 2018 09:17:45
I'm with Tony on this Red man. Asking Ed025 to stay out of a discussion is out of order. The Ed's work really hard to run this site and their views are/ should always be welcome. I don't agree with all of the Ed's views but I appreciate them.

I feel if Ed025's view supported your point you would have been happy to have him involved in the discussion.

You say how emotive the whole manager debate gets amoungst United fans yet you don't want to hear a neutral view point.

For what it's worth I can see both sides of the argument. There is a lot more wrong at our club atm than just Jose. There is a total lack of leadership and direction coming from all areas of the club from the top down.

At the start of the week I totally agreed that now is not the time to sack Jose. Especially if that means appointing someone like Zidane or Conte on a permanent basis with no sort of long/ medium term plan in place. That will only exasperate problems in the long term.

However, I can also see how toxic this whole situation is becoming and that is becoming an issue in itself.

Unless the club can get a run of good results over the next couple of weeks I wonder how long and how to if this situation could become. Clearly there is a divide in the dressing room and Jose is at the centre of it. However, the longer this goes on the larger the divide will become. That divide has players on both sides, players who will still be here after the manager is sacked and players who will have to work together afterwards as well.

Unless the team can get some good results soon Jose will have to go. My only hope is that the club decide to put McKenna and Carrick in charge until the end of the season so the club can hopefully sort out a DoF and properly plan our next full time managerial appointment.

15.) 04 Oct 2018 09:48:21
The non-Man Utd supporting Eds are one of my favourite things about these pages. Ed001 with his irrefutable common sense (and top class daily articles), Ed007 and his stinging Glasgow wit, Ed025 and his unbiased neutrality, amongst others. And all highly valued opinions. It's not like any of the Eds ever come on here and throw out a toxic insult or 2. Right? So please continue to contribute, inform, challenge, and entertain Eds. Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - cheers Johnny. Even though Ed025 has terrible taste in football teams, I am surprised anyone could want him to not be involved in a discussion. It is very rare he and I agree on anything, he likes yawnfests like golf and cricket, I find them boring, he is a blue, I am a red etc etc, but I really enjoy what he has to say anyway. He is a genuinely nice guy with an interesting take on things.}

16.) 04 Oct 2018 10:40:39
JohnnyKills, i agree. Its better to get a different perspective aswell.
All the EDs make a great contribution to the site.
ED002 providing valuable information on the ins/ outs of football clubs etc.

17.) 04 Oct 2018 11:08:07
So glad the majority have stuck up for ed025, a fantastic guy who we love on the Arsenal page, he’s not afraid to say how he sees it and has a fabulous sense of humour.

Most importantly he would never intentionally upset anyone.

18.) 04 Oct 2018 14:23:13
Spot on ed025, he should have been sacked long ago.

19.) 04 Oct 2018 12:40:09
You are always welcome here ed025.

{Ed025's Note - cheers park..

20.) 04 Oct 2018 14:03:28
I understand ed25, would go against you to change mate.

{Ed025's Note - ta angel, i might just sit off united for a while mate until we see how things change..

21.) 04 Oct 2018 17:49:10
This page would be a lot more miserable than it already is without ed 0025 and ed 001 I am very thankful that even though they support other clubs ( crap ones 😘) they still come on here with their views and valuable tidbits of info .

{Ed025's Note - nice one deano, i love the banter on united mate you are all nice guys but im not here to upset anyone so i will take a bit of time out for a while..

22.) 04 Oct 2018 20:36:27

My apologies, I would not want you to stay off the page so hope you will reconsider that position immediately.

I am not enjoying the football of Mourinho, who is, but I have said on here for years about what the problems have been and that has been from the very top. Personally I don’t support Mourinho, I support the club, however I just think that dismissing the manager now is not good timing, especially when he was undermined in summer. As a senior manager I have been undermined in the past and until it happens to you you don’t realise the impact. It isn’t just your own position it is your team and how they view your authority so I have some empathy for our manager. With his money I would have walked unless I really loved what I was doing. We have no plan or strategy so a sacking will likely see the same mistakes made and another fancy name brought in. Meanwhile the same players most who have been a constant in these difficult poor years get away with it.
Slate asked how much slack would I have given Moyes, well the answer was none because he had won nothing, there was nothing on his CV to suggest he could manage United.
I have a lot of time for Everton and feel our clubs have always have a good connection so would ask you to keep editing and go easy on me!

{Ed025's Note - dont beat yourself up over it red man i often take a break from the sites mate, im a closet united fan so usually edit when there is a build up of posts as i like the banter with the fans who are a really good bunch, the jose subject is very touchy at the moment and i can see how high feelings are running so maybe my two penneth was inopportune, but just like arnie....i will be back.. :)

23.) 04 Oct 2018 22:12:19
Make sure you come back ed. I enjoy your posts. Your good for the old laugh as well.

24.) 05 Oct 2018 01:32:22
Well stone redman many a post written in haste. 👍 Top man ed025.

{Ed001's Note - I can't believe he claimed the closet he was in was as a United supporter, we all knew that long ago, there was nothing closet about it. After all, once a blue always a Manc right? Just ask Rooney.....}

25.) 05 Oct 2018 13:16:40
I knew it ed0025! If it's any consolation mate I have a soft spot for the better half of Liverpool too 🤣.

{Ed025's Note - well we are the "peoples club" deano.. :)



02 Oct 2018 07:02:48
Reading comments in the press about some players saying they will not play for the manager. These players are paid extortionate amounts to play for Manchester United, to pull on the red shirt. Not every manager is a good one to work for but this attitude is one of the main problems and regardless what happens to the manager, players with that attitude need to be rooted out of the club in January. SAF would never have stood for this, and Gill would have supported him. Now I am concerned that the club may view those shiny, media money spinners, sorry players, are more important than the manager, yet getting rid of Mourinho now let's those trouble causers win and that sticks in my craw.

Red Man

1.) 02 Oct 2018 07:23:38
Absolutely mate, no matter what they're going through with the manager, all of the money they're on they should be performing for the fans more than anything, the fans who support them haven't done anything wrong! .

I really do find it disgusting how brutal players can be at times, I don't like Mourinho one bit and I think you'll be 10 x the team without him but whilst he is there he's the manager and they should respect that and just get on with it until something changes, unfortunately players these days have far too much power.

If any of us didn't do our job correctly in a workplace what would happen? we'd be gone, I think utd really need big changes and get players like that out asap because they're just poison to the whole club.

2.) 02 Oct 2018 09:17:10
Red man, I agree that it's a poor show front those players. However, Jose has to be partially to blame. If you consistently dig out players publicly you can see why those players don't want to play well and help that manager out. Rightly or wrongly the players know bad results will cost Jose his job. If he has alienated them to such an extent that they no longer want to work with him then you can at least understand the logic.

Sir Alex never had this problem, Pep doesn't seem to have this problem.

Maybe modern day players have a different mentality. If that is the case then it is managers who will have to adapt to 25 players in their squad not the players who will adapt to the manager. We don't have to like this brave new world, but we do have to adapt to it if we are to thrive in it.

3.) 02 Oct 2018 10:00:16
Good morning Red Man, I don't believe any professional footballer takes to the field and doesn't try and give their best. I just don't think it's in their nature. They've all reached the pinnacle of their sport because of their sacrifice, hard work and determination. They couldn't have done it otherwise. All must be fierce competitors and I bet every single one of them hates losing.

When I hear comments like "downing tools" I think we take this too literally. I think what this means in reality is the players stop listening to the manager. They perhaps become disillusioned with the managers style, tactics or instructions. What you get then it's individualised performances. They start to play for themselves rather than the team. One player might press, the other stand off. One might go forward in search of a goal, another hold their position. They're still trying but they're not playing together as a team, as a coordinated unit all striving towards the same goal. I think this is what we're seeing at Utd at the moment. Players playing for themselves not the team and not following the managers instructions. They've stop listening and that's why our performances appear so disjointed.

It must be incredibly hard for any manager to keep a squad of 25 players happy and engaged. To make them sacrifice their own needs for the sake of the team. The very best managers are able to do this and that's why they are so successful. I just don't think the players are following Mourinho's instructions anymore, that's why he likes players such as Matic, Fellaini and Mctominay because they play how he asks and do their job for team. Perhaps we have certain players that attach more importance to their own performances and desires rather than that of the team. The rub is often these players are the most talented and getting them to do their job can be extremely difficult. Have too many of these players and anarchy can ensue.

Let's see what reaction we get tonight.

4.) 02 Oct 2018 11:30:42
I mean when you clearly concede goals because a young midfielder is out of position as a center back and the manager announces it's all the referees fault, you're bound to not really want to play under him. The players need to show respect for sure, but I don't see how they aren't when they are merely attempting to point out what is wrong and then are gunned down by the manager for doing so. The pundits and the fans can pinpoint the tactical problems with the sides Mourinho is picking, I'm sure the players are thinking the same thing and wondering why those problems aren't being addressed.

5.) 02 Oct 2018 12:02:13
When you say players won't play for the manager I'm assuming you don't mean actually won't play I'm assuming you mean won't play well in order to get detiorating results and put the manager's position at risk .
If that's common knowledge and in the press it would beg a pretty obvious question in my mind . Why would a manager keep selecting players who were not going to play well in order to jepordise his job, I can think of 4 reasons, he wants to be fired, he thinks replacements would do the same, he's not very clever or the most likely he works with them everyday and duznt believe a word of it.

6.) 02 Oct 2018 13:50:55
Slate, did you see the team selection for the last game. Maybe Jose isn't picking players he doesn't think will play for him.

7.) 02 Oct 2018 14:15:26
Well if that's the case and he didn't pick players he thought would not try to win the game it's interesting he didn't believe pogba and martial were involved .

8.) 02 Oct 2018 15:31:17
If players have problems then they should raise them internally not on social media.

9.) 02 Oct 2018 16:17:38
How do we know what players from previous generations would or wouldn't have said on social media had it been about during their time?

Maybe our grandparents feel that true fans don't go online and slate their side publicly and any frustration they have with the club should be kept "in-house".

Brave new world and like it or not we have to adapt to it and accept it. Players are brands now, sometimes as much as 60-70% of their earnings come from off field activities rather than actually playing football.

So is it surprising that they aren't 100% focused on their "on-field" actions.

How many of us watch football online? How many of us know about the next best player by watching football online?

Why are we allowed to have the benefits of modern society and technology while expecting our players to live in a suspended time bubble from the 1970's?

With the advanced and benefits of modern society come draw backs and problems. You can't have one without he other.

There is an irony in coming on to a website such as this and slating a player or the manager or the club for what they say on social media. If you can't see that then you will never be satisfied.

10.) 02 Oct 2018 16:29:34
Couldn't agree more Mort I'm not defending pogba and I'm pretty sure he and Jose aren't keen on eachother but the thread was it was suggested some players are deliberately playing poorly and if so jm wouldn't pick them but pogba and martial weren't the ones he didn't pick .
Personally I think people thinking too deep instead of conspiracies could the reason we struggle not be other teams bought better players than us, we bought two poor CBS the midfield often looks slow immobile and not comfortable on the ball, have had very little right side attack for along time and our new left attacker has so far been awful so far . Our tactics of dropping everyone back means even against middle to low ranked prem teams or even championship sides we face large periods under pressure and even doing this we look like we may well concede. Each to their own theory I guess.

11.) 02 Oct 2018 16:04:34
Which player has raised issues on social media? I've seen players speak to the press hinting at issues or contradicting the manager, but that same criticism can be levelled at Mourinho, and much more so with his bullying tactics.



30 Sep 2018 11:34:24
My love affair with our club started in August 1968 and reflecting on the 50 years that have passed, three things stand out. First we have never truly nailed down a footballing philosophy identity like Barcelona have. Football played by Matt Busby and encouraging our youth is the nearest we have come to it. Second we have never seemed to have a strategy or plan. Lastly, the ownership of the club has never been firmly settled and have always seemed to lack the ambition to be the worlds top club.

We have benefitted from having two of the greatest ever managers but beyond that the club has got itself in a mess so many times.

I have written this a few times on here down the years but there needs to be a defined strategy, a plan, an identity, a philosophy and whilst the full details don't need to be shared there should be communication to the fans about it. However, the communication from our present owners and Woodward is shameful in its absence.

The club are in this mess because they seem to have no strategy, no plan, no philosophy, it looks like for 50 years they have wallowed around and relied on a genius for 26 years. Like having a genius in the team carries the team higher, a genius in the managers chair had the same effect. Many champion David Gill yet where was the strategy, the plan to deal with SAFs retirement?

Now, in Woodward we have a frontman for owners who do not appear to be ambitious for football success but target the brand value. It cascades down, Woodward doesn't appear to be football savvy but a good money generator and that likely matches whatever strategy the owners do have.

Gary Neville has alluded to the issues but points at the start being the sacking of Moyes, however, this mess is dating back long before that, it is a lack of identity and planning going back through my 50 years. The lack of stable ownership, from the Edwards family who tried selling the club to Knighton, the Plc who were caught between success and making profit to the latest mob who have added debt to the club.

Now we are in a corner, sacking the present manager means the players causing issues think they have won. They will play for a new manager but only until he does something they don't like and we change the manager again, that's what they get at Chelsea. If the club appoint Zidane it is yet another confirmation of a lack of strategy and planning, what on Earth is the direction of the club then? Another manager appointed with fingers crossed it will work whilst ignoring the players causing these issues and we can't sack them, until at least January.

This is a first class mess and the owners plus Woodward are the cause and unless there is a change of ownership and CEO this mess is likely to happen every couple of years,

Red Man

1.) 30 Sep 2018 12:17:04
RedMan, as you know, i too have been supporting for all that period. Even the side that got relegated played with more endeavour and spirit than this lot of mercenaries.
I hate the philosophy that Mourinho has brought, defend deep, don't lose, don't attack, don't risk. But i also hate the way the players have dpwned tools and given 20% effort. Lack of skill is acceptable, lack of effort and spirit is totally unacceptable.
So if Mourinho is sacked, then the next manager will have to come in and control those irresponsible, horrible bunch of players that we've got. Apart from a few of them, the rest are only here for the money. Patrice Evra understood the United way, but non of the current overpaid, useless persons who wear our shirt are fit enough to lace his boots.
Brings me back to a manager's job, i watch klopp, Pep and Simione in action, and the players seem to have respect for them, these managers have a real connection with the players. Mourinho's man management has been utterly pathetic.
We have reached the point of no return with him. This season is a write off, i can't see us finishing in top 6. So get rid, let Carrick and McKenna take over and the owners have to appoint a dof and manager with the right philosophy to run our club. We need to get rid of a lot of the overpaid persons we have, darmuan, jones, lindlehof, rojo, young and promote/ buy a decent defence. Until we have a solid base, we cannot compete.
Out of the managers out there, i think Pochittino, Zidane and Simione can be considered. They all have their good and bad points. But i do like the way Simione teams run through brick walls for the cause. I also like Pochittino's team tactics. I think it's a choice between these two.

2.) 30 Sep 2018 12:17:39
Wonderful post Red Man.

Whilst I can see your point regarding the players and the manager I'm not sure I entirely agree.

Maybe we have to become a Club like Chelsea in order to succeed.

Managers rarely last longer than a few years anymore. Even the successful ones seek new challenges or suffer from burnout such is the pressure to deliver instant and continued success.

Maybe our thinking about giving managers time and craving stability is flawed? I honestly don't know, it's certainly something worth considering.

Otherwise I agree with your brilliantly written post mate. Throughout our history have we ever really committed to being the very best?

We all know what Real, Barcelona and Bayern stand for I'm not sure the same can be said for Utd!

Even City are developing a footballing philosophy, Club identity and commitment to excellence. I have no doubt that their owners are more committed to seeing success on the field rather than increasing their revenue opportunities off it.

Like your little history lesson has taught us, once SAF retired was this really going to end up going any other way?

3.) 30 Sep 2018 12:54:34
This Jose / Pogba mess does remind me of a spat between Remi Moses and Jesper Olsen when it is alleged they came to blows in training. Ron Atkinson was asked about it and he denied anything had happened. Pictures were shown in the tabloids and Ron was then labelled a liar and didn't last much longer. Jose is saying everything's ok between Player and Manager but we all know that's not true and so do the press. I still think Jose is the one to get us out of this mess . We have to be UNITED through this 😆😆.

4.) 30 Sep 2018 13:27:36
Fantastic posts red man and AAA. Can’t argue with any of that.

5.) 30 Sep 2018 14:37:27
I agree Park.

Sadly I can't argue with anything AAA has written. It's hard for me to say that because I honestly believed Mourinho was the man. I think other factors have played there part but I can't argue that his time at Utd is not coming to an end.

As his career has progressed he has become increasingly egotistical and narcissistic. There was a time when he'd do anything to deflect the attention away from his players. He would blame himself, the officials, the pitch, the weather anything to alleviate and divert the pressure away from his players. This invoked fierce loyalty and respect. His players would literally run through brick walls, they loved him. Sadly this is a notion he seems to have forgotten. Now he blames the CEO, his players, the fans, the club doctor everybody and anybody but himself. He now defends himself and reels of his list of previous achievements like a roll call. He hasn't learned from his mistakes at Madrid or Chelsea, he hasn't learnt that conflict and division don't inspire success, he has forgotten the fundamental principles that brought him success.

As Albert Einstein once remarked the definition of insanity is making the same mistakes over and over whilst expecting different results. Maybe somebody should politely remind Mourinho of this fact and give him his P45 at the same time!

6.) 30 Sep 2018 14:51:34
Ps - I regret posting the last comment about his P45. It was harsh and I wouldn't wish the sack on anybody. Anyone who I've said more than enough I hope you all enjoy the rest of your weekend!

7.) 30 Sep 2018 15:52:59
You echo my thoughts exactly DLIB. I thought this would work out but it is clear it is a marriage of convenience. Unfortunately, I cannot see our dithering and incompetent board being ruthless enough to axing Jose in the immediate future. As usual we will be ill prepared and wait too long before the damage is even more severe and the season is totally lost. Already our season is hanging by a thread and we are scrambling for top 4, it’s only September. For once can we act quickly and efficiently when it comes to a footballing decision.

8.) 30 Sep 2018 16:48:01
Well DLIB, Einstein didn’t actually say that. It comes from a book by Rita Mae Brown.

So I guess this means everything you said is discredited. Give Jose a new contract now, and tell him that he’s doing great.

9.) 30 Sep 2018 17:30:48
Amazing post Redman.

10.) 30 Sep 2018 17:50:35
Well Danny please forgive my ignorance and consider myself reprimanded. No need to discredit me pal I've never professed to posting anything remotely credible anyway 😂.

11.) 30 Sep 2018 17:30:48
Amazing post Redman.

12.) 30 Sep 2018 23:37:30
Excellent post Redman. Totally agree. We are back to wallowing with Woodward in charge. Things have just been heading ever downhill since he took over, but he's the Glazers' man since he organised their takeover of the club.




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13 Nov 2018 19:15:56

“Sir Alex was at the start of his career”, when he came to us is what you are saying. Off the top of my head he had been managing for about 12 years, including about 6 at Aberdeen winning leagues and cups and was about 46 years old when he came to Utd, only 9 years younger than Mourinho is now. So Mourinho was about 6 years older than SAF when he arrived.

Many of the other managers you mention have leadership above them that gives more direction and stability with a modern infrastructure, players don’t think the manager will be ditched when toxic fans start moaning loudly so they have to work. They knew SAF was going nowhere so it was work or get the boot, it is why they gave Moyes a 6 year contract to offset that psychology but it didn’t work.

When do we say the players are also a problem or doesn’t that suit the agenda?

Red Man



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13 Nov 2018 06:45:18
Oh Jred

Still trying to show Moyes was better, he inherited a fully confident team of Champions, Jose a rag tag bunch from 3 previous managers.

A very large part comes from the poor performance of the players, they are the ones making regular errors, can't defend, can’t pass 5 yards or put the ball in the net. No Jose is not without blame or criticism but this is us failing as a club for many reasons not just the one you keep going on about.

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12 Nov 2018 22:01:02

I don’t think anyone should pretend where we are is acceptable, but I believe we need to understand this is not just a poor managerial performance. People who likely have never managed or been a leader are saying one of the worlds most successful managers is past it. People forget how awful SAF early years were even after he had been on a spending splurge. There are millions of wannabe managers on social media these days screaming for the guys head, a manager who has proved he knows what it takes to win, to get to the very top. At the same time the impact of owners who just don’t seem focussed on football success is ignored. Our ground hasn’t been improved whilst rivals have and plan more but this is ignored.

I am not “refuting” as you put it, every player was run past and agreed with Jose but I suspect that Jose has identified areas and if the powers at the club say this is what you are getting, does he have a choice or is it accept it or resign? None of us know the inner dynamic of transfer activity at the club so how can we completely blame him for every signing unless it is a desire to see him accept ultimate responsibility and get the sack. I stand by him right now because I don’t think there are many, if any, others who could do any better in the circumstances. The wrong appointment could see things worsen yet no one sees that, they only see improvement and glory and I think it is a very high risk thought process.

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12 Nov 2018 20:16:53

My deepest sympathies, you really have never got over Moyes being sacked. One thing you keep getting wrong, I was very clear before Moyes was even appointed he should never be anywhere United, a long way before a ball being kicked. You keep on missing that Jose/ Moyes CV comparison or don’t companies look at your CV before offering you a job?

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12 Nov 2018 18:46:17
Ah the reaction to losing a game, yes the derby but we have lost derbies before 5.1 even 6.1 and recovered and will again. I will say again, people want to rip up the club, sack the manager mid season and head off in a new direction. It doesn’t matter what direction or if it is the right direction, just let's change quick, the pain is too much to bear. There is no thought it might be the wrong direction or that the underlying problems will still be there. So many advocating running before we can walk.

I am now obviously deluded because I don’t think it is the right time to smash the walls down. Next I will be a Mourinho lover or an apologist because I say the issues are far deeper than the manager and need to be sorted and plan rather than react. We talk about investment and how it has been poor, and some has but is it all Mourinho’s fault, is there no exerpertise at the club or were they studying the internet clicks rather than how the player would fit. It’s the stick to beat him with but did he chose the exact players or give positions and then the club got what they thought were bargains. So there are many who want to sack the manager yet ignore that he wasn’t supported in summer. Woodward should have supported him or sacked him but did neither and that is where the start of our problems are.

How long will you give the next manager or the one after that? When the shine rubs off them and Woodward sacks another will any of you actually realise what the bigger issues are?

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{Ed025's Note - a lot of sense in there red man..




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13 Nov 2018 19:24:27
Had my eye on Greenwood for some time and wrote on here about him when i learnt he could take free kicks even penalties with either foot. He is close to the age when he either kicks on or stalls, perhaps like what we see from Rashford. It’s that point in a career where the best go forward, like Rooney and Ronaldo and will be too good not to play in the first team. Rashford could still get back on track but Greenwood has potential to be better

Keep your eye on James Garner as well, and look up an interesting article on him in one of the national newspapers last week.

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11 Nov 2018 15:49:38

Guardiola arrived at City long after Soriano and Begiristain had set a plan and manoeuvred that club along the planned path as part of it, so on arrival Pep was the cherry on top of the cake. When Pep looks to recruit it will be part of a plan to fit the picture they have, maybe that picture is all about football success and isn’t impacted by social media clicks. Then, remember, Pep will be discussing it with fellow football people, aligned in what they believe in and not financial experts in adding a new noodle partner.
If United hadn’t backed SAF back in 1989.90 and I recall we finished one season about 13th off the top of my head, how successful would we have become? Sometimes sacking the manager isn’t the answer no matter how frustrated some fans like you are. There is more to fix in the background.

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11 Nov 2018 13:12:26
CSM/ So72

I haven’t criticised anyone, I don’t know the remit for the roles or how they performing them. I have pointed out that there are such roles appointed under different managers who have different playing styles and ask what our coordinated strategy is? The starategy we have been on has hardly been successful has it, however, CSM, you just want to blame the manager. If you carried on doing that we would be in the same situation in 10 years. Definition of madness is keep doing the same thing expecting a different outcome.

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01 Nov 2018 06:59:16
Stood in the ground when the initial verve had started to wane we knew that we had to get two early goals to win because of the way we played. When we didn’t the team started to fizzle out as the game got to the latter stages. We became a good cup team as was proved but at the time despite what some thought we never really had a league winning team, very nice attacking football but fragile.
Loved himself, played nice football, had a bit more steel than The Docs team but when it got to February every year and Liverpool were out of sight, we all used to sing we have won x all again Atkinson
Did they get United, partly, but I watched the Scousers hoover up all the titles whilst for 20+ years we talked a good game. Stood on the Stretford End, we wanted titles more than fancy football, the United way was not what mattered as much as winning the major prizes and being relevant. I remember trying to defend our attacking football and the Scouse supporting mates just trotted out the list of trophies. Winning is what matters, second is first loser I think was a Scouse term but right. I don’t sit and regale the great football, but the wins, just like the 96 cup final, awful football but we won, the double and that is what is important.

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31 Oct 2018 19:02:18
Perhaps the club are confident in waiting for the very talented youth as we did in 95, Chong, Greenwood and Gibson plus Gomez? They may or may not make it but alongside Jose is I recall someone in McKenna who knows them.

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