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18 Oct 2019 07:02:23
Interesting seeing photos of Pogba and Zidane meet in Dubai and apparently chat for 10 mins, a coincidence meeting on the beach.

Red Man

1.) 18 Oct 2019 07:34:54
I couldn't care less. Le Sulk can move to RM. I doubt we would notice he had left.


2.) 18 Oct 2019 08:54:50
We need quality but we also need 100% commitment from everyone. The reason we are in this mess is the lack of desire and pride for the shirt. Pogbas a good player but doesn't have the mentality we need. Time to go.


3.) 18 Oct 2019 12:24:27
Yh i agree if our new recruitment plan under ole is to bring in players with limited technical ability and do their best work off the ball but with more passion and work rate then pogba doesn't really fit in.


4.) 18 Oct 2019 14:04:23
I like to try and be more realistic in what I expect from footballers. I don't expect them to have an undying love and passion for the club, that's the fans job.
If they do then that's a bonus.

What I expect is for a footballer to be professional, as that is what they are, professionals.

I expect them to work hard, look to develop their skills and be committed to the team. They don't need to love the club.

But they need to respect their position, they need to respect their team mates and they need to respect their manager and coaches.

Without seeing how Pogba is in training it is hard to say if he is showing that. Yet his on field performances are often inconsistent at best which suggests he isn't working as hard as he should be. He has all the talent to be a top player, but does he have the drive and application?

If he wants to be elsewhere, then fine. I won't hold a grudge, but he needs to being working hard for his team mates or eventually they will turn against him.

I think Ed002 was right on the money again with Pogba, his career belongs in Spain or back in Italy. Yet with Juventus having 7 midfielders on the books (Ramesey, Pjanic, Khedira, Can, Raboit, Matuidi and Bentancur) I don't see a place for him unless several leave. Real Madrid's interest seems to stem from Zidane, who himself might not be there all that much longer with Jose apparently a possible replacement. His options might be growing thin. With Barcelona having recently signed Frenkie De Jong and Arthur, they are unlikely to look to spend the 150m+ it would take to bring him in, plus they have wage limitations unless they can shift one or two big earners. Ultimately PSG might be the best possible escape route for him. With both Real Madrid and Barcelona circling for Mbappe and Neymar respectively PSG might have some funds to reinvest and they have shown an appetite to try and bring in some of the best French players in the world.

So, I feel PSG might be the place he ends up next, either that or he will sign a new increased long term deal with us.


5.) 18 Oct 2019 14:34:03
you can count on one hand the number of top performances pogba has produced for us. you can say its because of the talent around him but i don't think that's totally accurate. Pogba has immense talent, however there are games where he doesn't even do the simple things well (pass to a team mate, control the ball, track a runner) . like the above post i don't expect him to die for the shirt but I expect him to put a shift in. Our problem is that our players are either short on talent, high on workrate or high on talent and short on effort.

This may all be a result of him being demoralised and wanting to leave, thus affecting his performances. whatever the reason a move away may be best for all parties.


6.) 18 Oct 2019 20:23:51
The reality is Pobga has no support around him, literally nothing. We play mostly rubbish football, I'm not shocked he doesn't enjoy himself. We have 4 average midfielders that create nothing/ do anything to support him. Pobga, as he has shown with France and Juve, with quality players around him, he is also a quality player. We are a team devoid of forward talent, quality or movement, or tactical knowledge form the sideline.

I implore anyone to play midfield in a team like this and excel as a creative player. It just doesn't happen at the highest level. Yeah he has rubbish games, yeah his good ones are not frequent enough but he is still the only one of those midfielders that comes close to being on an high level (couldn't consider him world class or elite) .


7.) 18 Oct 2019 20:33:01
That's the thing MrGoodKat, he has played better at Juventus and with France. Yet, he has been just as inconsistent with both his previous club and his national side.


8.) 18 Oct 2019 20:58:24
I agree, he goes missing - but he is still clearly the best midfielder we have, and the sad thing is, it's by a long way. It's good to see McTominay play for the shirt but lacks any real quality (in terms of what we expect a Man Utd player to be), Matic lacks mobility and any real influence on the game and Fred lacks everything technical about a footballer.

I disagree with the "Pogba doesn't track back etc" complaints. What I really want from him is to create something, get on the ball, run forward. Play to strengths and not square pegs round holes situation. I want United to but some players that have a dedicated position in the front 4. To be able to say, with confidence that this is the best player to play Striker or Right Wing or Attacking Mid.


9.) 19 Oct 2019 07:56:16
That's the annoying thing with Pogba, he isn't just our most talented midfielder by a long way. He has more talent than 95% of all midfielders anywhere.

He does track back, but he is even more inconsistent with his defensive work than he is with his more expansive and creative work. My issue is even when he does track back he doesn't do so with any purpose. He jogs back and never looks like he is going to attempt to put a tackle or a block in.

The fact that over his time at United he averages 0.8 tackles per game shows his lack of desire to do the dirty work.

To be honest I'm not too bothered about that. Not all midfielders need to be crunching in tackles. What disappoints me with Pogba is that he at 27 is still so inconsistent with the parts of the game he does enjoy. His passing, shooting and chance creation some games is world class, while woeful in others.

He reminds me a bit of Nani, a player on his day is unplayable and will win you games on his own. However, "his day" might only be one game a month, in the others he is distinctly average.


 

 

15 Oct 2019 06:38:15
There have been rumours for a few days that Kevin, one of the Glazers was selling up, that he had swapped his B voting shares for A shares. I was told a couple of days ago the B shares can't be sold. Now there are reports in the main press that Kevin Glazer has transferred his 13% to A shares and is looking to sell. According to the press several others want to sell up too. Hopefully it is the beginning of the end of them, although it is said two of the family don't want to sell.

Red Man

1.) 15 Oct 2019 07:20:27
Yeah Red Man.
Multiple news channels reporting the same.


2.) 15 Oct 2019 07:37:48
I would not be surprised if they are selling to family? Maybe someone wants more power?


3.) 15 Oct 2019 12:02:01
So how does this work then? If the individual share holders sell up and shares are sold on the stock market, how will that change anything in the future? Won't the shareholders just keep getting dividends? How is that any different to how it is now?


4.) 15 Oct 2019 13:36:41
Nothing actually concrete has happened redman, 1 guy is selling but it just means more control over utd for the other glazers.


5.) 15 Oct 2019 16:55:43
If one's had enough then its a start.


6.) 15 Oct 2019 18:02:04
Apparently being denied now. ☹️.


 

 

08 Oct 2019 10:40:04
Rumour, The morale in the dressing room is at the lowest for the past ten months with observers claiming there is a lack of energy which is 'sapping' spirits at Carrington.

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1.) 08 Oct 2019 12:25:02
Love it Bond.


2.) 08 Oct 2019 15:17:04
you could see how bad the morale is in david de gea, s interview after sundays game.


3.) 08 Oct 2019 18:11:02
Dea gea was right though we can't even score.

We have a decent defence but that's what were relying on to get us points

The midfield and attack have to step up.


I'm still amused as to why we keep playing possession football. let the other teams have the ball then break.

We have speed up top but we are not using are best assets atm.


4.) 09 Oct 2019 06:16:56
He is rightfully disgusted.
We are short of a prolific goal scorer.


5.) 09 Oct 2019 19:12:58
TrueRedDevil, i would give my left nut just for a goal scorer. Both for a prolific one!


6.) 12 Oct 2019 15:50:37
Poor comment un an interview from DDG. He would have better saying that when the team isn't scoring there is more pressure on saving shots like the Newcastle one.


 

 

24 Sep 2019 06:35:17
So the leaks begin. Apparently some players harbour reservations over Kieran McKenna having such a key role in first-team training little more than a year after being promoted from the Under 18s. His sessions are thought by some to be more suited to the academy

There are also questions why there are so many non contact injuries having supposedly used pre season to get the players into peak fitness, questions why the lethargy when they are fit, what did Phil Jones and Woodward really say despite the denials.

This isn't going to end well everyone.

Red Man

1.) 24 Sep 2019 12:46:00
Dont rub your hands too much, you'll get friction burns.


2.) 24 Sep 2019 13:18:39
Where are these leaks red man? I’ve not seen them (not saying what you’re saying is false btw would like to read them) but then surely they’d be saying the same of Carrick. Then again we heard these rumours in pre season and they soon disappeared.


3.) 24 Sep 2019 17:10:57
The Daily Mail. I read it myself, today, and knew you'd pick up on it Red Man 😁 Mind you, I had to take a long shower after reading it.


4.) 24 Sep 2019 17:56:10
Daily Fail? lol.


5.) 24 Sep 2019 18:24:19
I was getting my hair done, TRD 😁.


6.) 25 Sep 2019 07:54:04
I heard that Phil Jones said 'poor' unsure whether he was talking about a refereeing decision or his teammates (he should be) and Ed turned round and said 'quiet, we are on camera' that's just one story.

As for McKenna, I think the media are loving a United in crisis story so will push anything, wouldn't wprry too much on McKenna.

What I do worry about is why year after year we have so many injuries, it seems to have been every season since van Gaal, perhaps even Moyes time, I dunno if we have players nowadays more like athletes and break down easier or the stricter training we have now is too much for some, no idea.

Was thinking about Martial this morning, he is always injured, can never get a run of games out of him, and he is probably the most key player in the way Ole wants to counter attack, I see a long season of inconsistent results and performances ahead, I can live with that if we see the desire in the players, I have seen that except at west ham which worries me.

Arsenal at home next is probably the perfect fixture to get that desire back and a win wouldn't shock me, hopefully we have some players back for this one.

Saving grace at the moment is Chelsea and Spurs are having equally as bad starts and a win over the gunners keeps us on pace for 4th.

I've said it all along since they sacked Moyes and I'll say it again, we must stick by a manager, we cannot carry on chopping and changing managers, backroom teams, players and playing style, that's why we are in such a mess, it's not going to be pretty for a good while yet but the 3 lads he's brought in are the right type of player, he needs more windows to bring in more players that fits what Ole wants, it's going to take time.

I now hear 'oh we've spent £900m' yes, Ole has had 1 window, the rest is past and we are on a new path, one the club and fans must stick too.


7.) 25 Sep 2019 09:02:25
Welsh

We need to get the right manager to stick behind, not the failed Cardiff one.


8.) 25 Sep 2019 09:41:46
By the way there are now more rumours of players feeling training is uninspiring and old fashioned.


9.) 25 Sep 2019 10:43:54
Ole was appointed and is our manager so therefore he is the right one and we have to get behind him and the club needs to give him the funds and time to build a squad. Everyone is too impatient, can't rebuild a squad in his model in 1 window, will be a few more windows by we see the squad he ideally wants.


10.) 25 Sep 2019 12:06:39
Red man I’d pay no attention to those rumours. Always an attempt to find a problem wrong with everything. As ed001 said when results are good training is fine, when bad it’s rubbish. It’s the same with any job, it things aren’t going well in the office or wherever you work it’s not great but a good week or few days and it’s a different outlook.


11.) 26 Sep 2019 06:55:11
Caolin

What we are seeing on the pitch is a result of what is happening on the training pitch.


12.) 26 Sep 2019 09:59:30
Uninspiring training? Give me a break. They should be inspired to play and win trophies for Man Utd. Knuckle down, do what your boss is asking of you and make an impact on the pitch.


13.) 26 Sep 2019 11:15:01
Red man

I don’t think anyone can say definitively unless we are on the training pitch. Do you think Rojo is instructed to shoot on sight once he crosses halfway?


14.) 27 Sep 2019 09:37:10
It was exactly the same under Jose. I remember asking several times back then, what exactly did they do in training all week, because once they crossed the line, they looked like eleven strangers.


 

 

29 Aug 2019 12:35:26
I have heard a rumour that the club are gearing up to start improvements to the South Stand next year. However, the same rumour is that the land around OT has been bought not by United or our present owners but by a Middle Eastern connection. That is all I have heard but this is a rumour site.

Red Man

1.) 29 Aug 2019 14:34:29
Thanks for sharing red man. Very interesting.


2.) 29 Aug 2019 15:36:37
Great rumour Red Man, you can’t beat a good rumour.

Check out the Spurs site for a great Poch rumour In reply to a question I asked.


3.) 29 Aug 2019 16:23:08
Very good AJH. Looking into the neighbours house and thinking everything is rosey isn't necessarily the case.


4.) 29 Aug 2019 16:45:11
Wouldn't the ownership of the ground be public knowledge? There should be a way to check this up.


5.) 29 Aug 2019 18:06:49
LovelyLudwigVan

It said land around the ground. If you know the area the railway is right behind the South stand, there is a station there but behind that are houses and a street. The ground is the clubs and some land around it but no idea which bits.


6.) 29 Aug 2019 18:48:22
Yeah it's long been an issue, if I'm not mistaken Railway Rd is where they'd need to buy the houses, and they'd need to find a solution for the rail tracks. I just thought property owners, at least of non-residential buildings would be information available to the public. I remember reading that the costs to expand the stadium would be as much as building a new one, which will probably continue delaying any work.


7.) 29 Aug 2019 23:27:01
What was said AJH? i can't seem to find anything on the spurs page.


8.) 30 Aug 2019 07:21:03
DH click on Spurs banter.


9.) 30 Aug 2019 10:38:12
Hi All,

on the South stand situation.

The land is owned by the railway as is the bridge/ walkway from Railway road into the stadium.

I have friends who live on Railway road and they have not been contacted by anyone with regards to selling up.

In fact Jay (the City Fan) lives on the right of the bridge some 4-7 doors down (not giving his address. lol)

His place would be one of the houses directly impacted by development.

He'd been previously advised regrading the improvements when they were first put up for public review. although the extension would encompass the actual railway the physical building would be bridged over to form a covered station/ platform. It wouldn't require any of the houses to be bought unless it is found to cause irreparable damage to the property through ground disturbance.

Sunlight and shade is said to be of concern however due to the angle of the road they would still get a lot of light in the rear gardens.

Monk.


10.) 31 Aug 2019 06:54:36
Wow good info monk 👍.


 

 

 

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19 Jan 2020 10:12:17
We are in the middle of another transfer window, admittedly the more difficult January one and there is frustration at not signing anyone. Personally I think we still lack direction, any obvious coherent plan and would just be throwing money out there to show we mean business, after all how do they decide if a player fits a plan if we haven't got one.

The perfect storm has happened, Liverpool have a unity of purpose, a plan from owners down. Their owners don't take dividends, they have an aim, a football not financial aim and let the professionals get on with it. I despair at what I am seeing at OT. People screaming about not buying a Portuguese player for a lot of money. However, not long ago we were told OGS cultural reboot meant a Longstaff brother from Newcastle was the answer. What it symbolises is an utter mess of our own making.

If ever there was a changing of the guard it is this afternoon, if we win it likely won't stop them and will merely show how fickle our club, team and management is, we would be the cup team again. Lose and we watch the spectre of Liverpool I grew up within the seventies and eighties becoming reality. Today is more than just a game it is a ultra high definition view of the train wreck on one side and the speeding train on the other. Liverpool with a new stand, planning another, investment in their infrastructure whilst we can't even repair the damn roof.

Like in the eighties we were an annoyance to that lot and are becoming that again. We won't be great until we learn the lessons of how they and City have planned their success, hence today and this time should be less about shiny new expensive players but what the structure is going to be. We have seen years of speculation about a DOF, let's see but I would prefer buying shiny new players after we have a direction.

Red Man

1.) 19 Jan 2020 10:36:02
So we should lose today, sack Ole and then buy players?

{Ed047's Note - well if as a club you have any ambition of getting anywhere then yep that sounds about right.

That or keep the blinkers firmly fixed in place and hope and I mean seriously hope.


2.) 19 Jan 2020 11:03:25
Good post red man. Can’t really argue with any of that.


3.) 19 Jan 2020 12:02:48
Great post Redman. The club needs a root and branch reform as politicians would say.

We need the following:

1) New Chief exec who has a clue how to run a sporting institution.

2) Ed to go back to the marketing team (he is very good at that to be fair to him) .

3) A Director of Football.

4) A new manager.

5) A new coaching team.

6) A new scouting dept that can spot players before they're worth £80m.

Once we get these in place we can formulate a long term vision for success. then we can start buying players to fit that vision.

As for Bruno (the fans latest obsession) I doubt Ole has even thought about how best to use him once he arrives or how to structure the team around him to get maximum impact from his skillset. He'll just be thrown into the playmaking position and expected to perform miracles then criticised when he doesn't.


4.) 19 Jan 2020 12:10:17
Spot on Redman. Excellent post that and all very true.


5.) 19 Jan 2020 13:11:35
Red Man, as you know we agree on most things as we've seen our club through good, bad and ugly. The club does need a complete overhaul on the footballing side. But we have owners with different motives to Liverpool's. Hence, this circus will carry on for as long as the owners and their puppets are in place.
However, I disagree on Bruno Fernandes, he is an exceptional player, scores goals from midfield, provides assists and works extremely hard for the team. He is better than any midfielder we've got including mr Pogba, by a country mile.
Is he going to single handedly get us back challenging for the title? No. But he is the start of the rebuilding of our midfield hopefully. Add Maddison or Grealish ton top and a fit mctominay, then we will look like a team who can score from midfield and dominate games.
Problem is that Moyes, lvg, and Mourinho bought a load of players that were not fit for the job. Lots of mercenaries, di maria, Sanchez, pogba, to name a few. However, Solskjaer is trying to put the onus back on buying younger, hungrier players who we can develop. Non of us can argue that McGuire, AWB and James have not been good purchases. They've all done well. So we're moving in the right way. But, we're going to need to continue to do so, and Fernandes will hopefully be the first to rebuild our midfield.
Will the owners back the manager? Will they spend money on OT? Will they improve Carrington? Personally, I don't think so. But we can only hope they give the manager money to buy the likes of Fernandes, who WILL improve our midfield.


6.) 19 Jan 2020 14:08:46
Meh I'm a romantic so I'll keep my blinkers on for this race if you don't mind ed.
In Ole I trust. Believe!


7.) 19 Jan 2020 19:39:08
Why do we need Bruno Fernandez when we have Pereira and lingard 😂.


 

 

10 Jan 2020 07:02:41
Brand, it is all about the brand for the senior executives, the image of the club to sell it to sponsors. Right now no matter how they spin it the brand is in trouble, interest is waning, players want to leave and don't want to come, players don't want to play, don't put effort in when they do, crowds are starting to dwindle. Yet stillWe look backwards instead of forwards. This is on Woodwards watch, this is on a board who seem stymied to make a decision over the useless manager. If they keep on this path, will the club be unattractive to any decent manager, how long will the like of a Poch or Allegri be sat there. The lack of decisiveness is frightening
.

Red Man

1.) 10 Jan 2020 09:12:58
Red man, coupled with the fact that half of our midfield is injured, the other half is useless, and the club are not buying any midfielders. We have someone like lingard, who has been totally useless, trying to lord it over the club.

The whole place is a shambles. I wake up every day in the hope that I read that DOF has been appointed, but nothing happens.

Good midfielders are available, Grealish, Fernandes, van der Beek, but we do nothing. If we were bringing anyone in this window, should we not have got them early in January to help the team out?

Solskjaer is just another mistake in the countless mistakes the club, Woodward and the board keep on making. Until change at the top happens, we're going to be in the doldrums. Solskjaer or no Solskjaer.


2.) 10 Jan 2020 09:35:43
AAA

Couldn’t agree more. The manager is only one of the problems.


3.) 10 Jan 2020 10:05:45
There isn't going to be a brand if we carry on like this.


4.) 10 Jan 2020 10:44:33
I couldn't agree more with all the points made here. When you put it into context we are still one of, if not the biggest clubs in the world yet we are run like a sunday league side.

What proven top class manager is going to want to come into that with instant pressure and scrutiny due to the lack of backing and general footballing knowledge from the people above? Because at the end of the day its the manager who ultimately gets punished.

Change from the bottom up is desperately needed.


5.) 10 Jan 2020 11:44:22
Exactly what I have been saying for months Red Man. The ineptitude from the powers above is plain to see and Ole is taking a lot of flack. Some deserved but most of it should be aimed at the amateurs running the club.


6.) 10 Jan 2020 13:26:53
There is blame above Ole, said that for years but we need to deal with that issue because the board won’t sack themselves.


7.) 10 Jan 2020 14:44:48
Ole knows he won the lotto getting the United job and he also knows he'll never get near another major club management job, so he's not going to rock the boat regarding transfers .

It was the same with Moyes when he came in .


8.) 10 Jan 2020 14:58:31
It's hard to see any real change until the owners sell up. And then, we need new owners with genuine interest in sorting the footballing side of the club. This is not a quick fix, but the sooner this happens, the sooner the club can start recovering. Sadly while 70,000 keep paying money to watch, and millions buy shirts and other merchandise, the owners will sit there content in getting their £100m annual bonuses.
The sad part about it, is that it doesn't have yo be this way. The owners could invest in the ground, the staff, the facilities, a DOF, good players, good manager, and that will lead to "the brand" being extremely popular and will make them money while keeping us moaning idiots happy. They have chosen the cheap option, the option that requires the least amount of work. Snd this has lead to the deterioration of the club in every part of the business and most importantly, the footballing side.


9.) 10 Jan 2020 19:29:31
I agree with that, NoMid :)


 

 

02 Jan 2020 19:27:45
Defending Ole is not logical, because his record, the only relevant record, is that of a failed Cardiff manager. The only time it worked with us was a few games as a temp when there was no pressure. His permanent record, the only relevant record is shocking. People defend him because of who he is, or because we can't sack another manager or look at his record as a temp, not because he knows what he is doing. All wrong.

It is day 2 of another transfer window and we are now going to allow the failed relegated Cardiff manager to define the future of our once great club. If he chooses the players, we are letting a failed inexperienced manager set the direction. If the transfer committee choose, then they will either be doing it based on what Ole looks for or a sterile choice they think the club needs that could work with Ole. If we spend too much and have to sack Solskjaer later in the season the coffers are empty based on the direction set by a failed manager. Which player is going to want to come to play for a failed Cardiff manager? Even Haaland wasn't convinced.

It seems the club can't bring themselves to make a firm decision. Obscurity is calling and it appears the club are too bothered about being even handed with Solskjaer. I call on United to stop dithering, make the decision now, end this over emotional sentimental experiment before more damage is done.

Red Man

1.) 02 Jan 2020 19:53:47
Good post Red Man. Felt like last night was a new low, really was terrible viewing. I could write a lot about the lack of a tactical plan, team identity or direction, but I'm sure it's already been said.

But did anyone else see Ole smiling in the interview after the game? Even Van Persie picked up on it. This is a man whos one qualification for the job was his love and understanding of the club, and he smiles after watching that performance?

It just made me remember the times we'd have lost under fergie, where he'd have conducted the interview with full red face, give short answers and blame everything from the pitch to the referee.

And you just knew the players were getting the hairdryer. How can Ole instill any fear into a dressing room? He commands about as much respect as Mr Blobby.


2.) 02 Jan 2020 20:13:50
I remember the interview SAF did after WINNING a Scottish cup and he wasn’t satisfied. I saw another comment from Ole about this season just setting up for next season, I am sure supporters don’t agree with giving up in December. I wonder how sponsors feel about that attitude. It is untenable.


3.) 02 Jan 2020 20:22:11
Rinse repeat. rinse repeat. rinse repeat . ad nauseam.
You might be right but “the failed Cardiff manager” again and again and again blah blah. Mate I might even agree with you but. failed Cardiff manager purlease . again . yawnzzzzz.


4.) 02 Jan 2020 20:45:32
There are a lot of assumptions being made here:

1. We're going to buy someone in January
2. There are any better managers available who want to work for Woodward.
3. That the reason Haaland didn't come to United was because of Ole
4. There are any top class players who want to play for United while Woodward is in charge, when so many more attractive clubs are also knocking at their door.
5. The transfer committee would know how to select the right player even if he were available and staring them in the face.

The executive team is a joke. Any plans they have had, decent or otherwise, they have been unable to hold onto, bowing to the whims of the press and the so called toxic fans. Ole was a great example. They were going to wait until the end of the season. There was no reason to do otherwise unless, as I suspect, they had conducted a search and had come to the realization that #2 above was the case.

Ole is a symptom, not the disease.


5.) 02 Jan 2020 21:09:12
Redman,
I tend to agree with you as you know.
I know how frustrated you are and i know how passionate you are for the club and the respect you had for ole as a player.
You instance on referring to him as 'the failed cardiff manager' most of the time comes across badly.
I believe like you there is an emotional connection. This connection must be broken but in a respectful way and it can be respectful.
I genuinely believe that while if ole is fired about 1% of the fan base will be delighted 98% would be saddened but see it is the sensible decision and only 1% would be up in arms.
A lot of the 98% that i fall into realised some time ago that he just isn't up to it. Another batch of that 98% still have some hope and belief it might come good but if the board call a halt to it they will accept it well i think.
His record is not good and getting worse.
Like a lot of us i do see some grren shoots within the squad. I do see good bones to work around and build a winning squad and team. But sadly i don't think ole is the man to bring those players forward.
It looks like he will be given until the summer and a review will take place. In the hope that he can guide us into the top 4 or win the EL. Personally i think both are a very big long shot.
Tough tie v wolves let's hope someone gives him a mark robins moment and we go on to win the cup.


6.) 02 Jan 2020 21:12:38
Couldn’t agree more red man. Good post.


7.) 02 Jan 2020 21:25:03
Ken

Yes, lots of respect for Ole the player. I would not be delighted if Ole is sacked, more relieved that we can get on with making a logical not emotional decision on the next manager. Yes I am frustrated because I see it like Ed002 sees it, have done since they made him permanent far too early.
Tough against Wolves and against City. We are so inconsistent who knows what could happen.


8.) 02 Jan 2020 21:31:20
Very much in aggreance with you Ken.


9.) 02 Jan 2020 22:06:08
ZzzzzzzzzzzzzZzz, same old same old.


10.) 02 Jan 2020 22:24:53
He's right though AJH.


11.) 02 Jan 2020 22:59:42
Red man,

Your posts don’t come across like you have ‘a lot of respect’ for Ole, the failed Cardiff manager nonsense is quite frankly embarrassing and just takes any credibility away from the rest of your posts. A lot of what you say is correct, I don’t agree with all of it, but I just don’t get wound up and call for a sacking every time we lose or win or have a training session.


12.) 02 Jan 2020 23:32:47
Last6 epl games

Won 3, draw 1, lost 2

Including playing and beating our local rivals and epl champions.

Liv, City and Watford have a better record.

Sheff utd have the same record.


That is the only record that matters. Not some rinsed and repeated nonsense that spews forth everytime in the place of an "I told you so" at every dropped point. 3 years ago he relegated Cardiff. I mean seriously, CARDIFF!

Judge the guy on what he is doing now. Judge him for poor selections. Team showed no commitment. The color of his clothing. But please drop this rubbish now, it is embarrassing.


13.) 03 Jan 2020 00:11:23
Gds,
None of us can say we havnt lost the head on here from time to time or been repetitive or even been disrespectful to each other or towards a player or manager.
I think what we are seeing is exactly what we saw with jose, (not so much with lvg and moyes where the vast majority were all of the same opinion all at the same time), with every defeat or poor performance the greater the swell for his sacking as more and more of the undecided make their mind up that this manager is not working.
I wanted jose to resign the day the summer window shut as he had lost the faith of his bosses and eventually the dressing room followed.
At the beginning of the season i claimed ole should be judged at xmas. But i jumped over in late november and gave up hope. With every defeat and poor game since others are doing what i did and made their mind up and that will continue if he can't win 3 or 4 on the bounce. A new manager won't come in and win a league nobody expects that. But steady improvement is all we can hope for. 1 year and 150m spent ole has taken us backwards. Zero improvement.
As bolger on another thread pointed out if you include his time as temporary manager it proves the longer he has had with the players the results have got worse and worse.
Yet the door is still ajar because unlike every other season there seems to be a top 3 not a top 4 and there is half a dozen clubs chasing that elusive 4th spot.
Just think if a new manager game in and we had an immediate bounce and we win 4 on the bounce then 4th is a more realistic possibility. Some still think because we still have a chance of top 4 then ole should have the opportunity to go for it. I don't agree.
Ole took over a poor squad. But they had got to 3 cup finals in 2 years winning 2 and been 2nd in the league the season before. He has taken that poor squad spent 150m and moulded it into an even poorer squad. That the reality as i look at it as a Manchester United fanatic.


14.) 03 Jan 2020 04:38:37
Red Man. Will sacking Ole improve the tranfer dealings or the structure of the club or the huge wages offered to mediocre players?

You are missing the bigger picture. The decision makers have screwed up with Allegri. Sack Ole and we may end with Big Sam next.
Because of the amateurs running the club, we are no longer an attractive club to the best players and managers.

However under Ole, there are lot more positives than negatives.
There is more work ethic and commitment from the players now than the eras of Josse, LVG and Moyes combined.


15.) 03 Jan 2020 07:03:08
More positives than negatives under Ole, are you a parody account? As a former management consultant I understand more than nearly everyone on here how to look at the bigger picture, at structure and how to solve it so I am not missing it. There is more than the manager but Ole is a symptom of the structure, stymied into not making a decision. If the manager is in place is wrong, they are wrong and you have to deal with to protect the business in the immediate future.

Running around like headless chickens is what you think is good, whilst being tactically inept.


 

 

24 Dec 2019 19:56:24
People know that I don't think OGS is suitable for the job, nowhere near. I think he should have had his P45 long ago. However, it is Christmas so let's wait until 26th to deal with it. Everybody have a happy Christmas.

Red Man

{Ed047's Note - Happy Christmas Red Man.


1.) 24 Dec 2019 20:48:48
Merry Christmas, Red Man and everyone else.

If you could spare a few minutes on Boxing Day to share exactly what you think the best move is for United, Red Man?


2.) 24 Dec 2019 21:24:37
Jeez Giggsy, you not been paying attention?


3.) 24 Dec 2019 23:35:02
Merry Xmas, Red Man. Hostilities resumed on the 26th 😁.


4.) 26 Dec 2019 09:49:56
KingGiggsy

Best move would be to take the sentimental emotionality of the management position. The continuing support should be because the manager has earned the position having demonstrated the skills, not because of a goal 20 years ago.

We should do what we should have done, reflect, set a direction and get someone who knows what they are doing. When everyone is looking at Poch, I wouldn’t discount Simeone personally.


 

 

01 Dec 2019 11:08:01
Today's game against a newly promoted team should mean a win for us, 3-1 would feel about right, yet something is making me think 2-2 draw. Whatever, it will be interesting to see 3 players. Firstly McGinn who we supposedly had an interest in, decent player but not sure he would be worth the big money. Secondly, Grealish, interesting player who is creative, watched him last week, always looking for angles into the box behind defenders. Lastly, Mings, I commented on him in May when I watched him talk Tuanzebe through the play off game, looked commanding and worth £25m they spent. Should be a win today with two tough games coming up, many teams bunched up from 5th down, no excuses today.

Red Man

1.) 01 Dec 2019 11:40:28
Redman, i think it would be a 3-0 to us. Just get a feeling. Fred with the hat trick.

I better wake up now, too much dreaming for the day.


2.) 01 Dec 2019 11:47:20
This is a huge game for everyone involved. If Ole is to survive the next few weeks, we need 3 points on the board today. There's comments like "Ole hasn't lost the dressing room". He may not have lost it but I would question the players commitment to him. We're constantly out fought week in week out. Teams smell blood in the water and we're normally really slow to react in games.

Let's see will the players react today. Their boss is under huge pressure with the next 4 games shaping the rest of his Man Utd career. 50/ 50s, second balls, tracking back, all the basics when you are in a dog fight are non existant in our team.

A good performance here will provide a great platform going into the Spurs game. They are on a high with Jose but are still vulnerable. City's heads may also be gone knowing that the lead they've surrendered to Liverpool is almost insurmountable.

If Ole can navigate the next 4 games ending with Everton and chalk up 9/ 10 points, I feel that may be the turning point for him as our manager. If we come up on his one year anniversary as our manager and we're languishing in 15th, then I think it's curtains for the man.

I know there's been a split in the community here and we're all down each other's throats the last few months. Remember, we all want the same thing, for United to be back on top. Let's hope the tide shifts for this group and we can get a bit of momentum going.

No excuses, nowhere to hide. Get the job done and then onto Spurs!


3.) 01 Dec 2019 20:27:39
Got the lotto numbers for Tuesday Red Man? 😂😂😂.


4.) 01 Dec 2019 20:31:44
Eric

Not a bad guess huh!


5.) 01 Dec 2019 21:22:56
Red Man

You are a prophet.

Uncannily accurate.

What are next week's lottery numbers?


 

 

 

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15 Jan 2020 06:32:50
Nou

And he is still a better more experienced manager than OGS.

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14 Jan 2020 18:11:29
Nou

Not sure it’s the best time to big up Eddie Howe at the moment.

I am not saying we should have Setien or whatever his name is but if he took Betis to sixth he has more relevant experience than Ole has for us!

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14 Jan 2020 12:58:12
Oh dear Shappy

If someone is not performing as a football manager they are sacked and replaced. They have a contract and that is what happens. (Unless you are the emotional sentimental choice. ) Look what Barcelona have done.

There is more than one better choice than OGS, hundreds with more relevant experience but now you want to pull on the heartstrings of whether to sack an employee if there is better out there. Next you will tell us that we can’t sack players off and buy new players even if there are better out there!

Just shows how much sentimental emotional baggage is invested in the manager.

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14 Jan 2020 06:45:01
I wonder why Poch would want to join a club that is a dithering sentimental mess, that didn’t make a move for him when he became available, where they seem to prefer an ex player despite having zero relevant experience and a win ratio that gets fans all excited when it goes near 30%? If Poch is still keen on us, we are indeed lucky. Barcelona ditch their league winning manager, top of the Spanish league whilst we sit by filled with such emotion, every day our manager reminds us of 99. Once we were elite.

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04 Jan 2020 10:18:33
Ken

Ed has alluded to the conundrum of spending too much in January and leave the coffers empty in summer should or when they have to sack OGS.

The simple answer is to deal with the manager situation now, then build a strategy for transfers. How can we commit major funds to back a manager who has a history of getting it badly wrong at Cardiff when significantly backed.

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28 Jan 2020 12:57:53
At some point you all will see Ole for what he is. Sanchez shipped out as part of the great new plan last summer, the much heralded Solskjaer clear out. Now he says Alexis will prove everyone wrong. Nice clear plan isn’t it.
The club is an utter mess and having a former player with no clue what he is doing as manager will eventually be too apparent even for the Ole can do no wrong fans. Are there any left beyond Rosspique? The downward path continues.

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24 Jan 2020 11:01:44
The most? Manager.

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23 Jan 2020 19:53:24
Happy Birthday Boyfromburrenway

Trodden a very similar path

One of the reasons I get so frustrated is the feeling of being irrelevant and just waltzing into it. I remember discussing transfers with my brother in the early 70’s and he said that one of the managers, I think OFarrell had asked for significant players but they refused. There was arrogance that young players would just come through.

People don’t realise it is utterly numbing to be irrelevant, soul destroying as you say.

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23 Jan 2020 12:48:44
How many times, Ole is taking the club downwards below anything Moyes, LvG or Mourinho did. Every day longer is damaging. He has to go and I cannot believe he survives after today, it is untenable. The only thing holding back is the utterly ridiculous sentimental tosh about him as a player. We are a laughing stock, everyone can see the problem but emotion is holding us back.

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23 Jan 2020 06:37:18
Daz

I think the relegation points may be higher than 40 this year the way teams are playing down there, maybe 43 might be needed.

Red Man