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18 Oct 2019 07:02:23
Interesting seeing photos of Pogba and Zidane meet in Dubai and apparently chat for 10 mins, a coincidence meeting on the beach.

Red Man

1.) 18 Oct 2019 07:34:54
I couldn't care less. Le Sulk can move to RM. I doubt we would notice he had left.

2.) 18 Oct 2019 08:54:50
We need quality but we also need 100% commitment from everyone. The reason we are in this mess is the lack of desire and pride for the shirt. Pogbas a good player but doesn't have the mentality we need. Time to go.

3.) 18 Oct 2019 12:24:27
Yh i agree if our new recruitment plan under ole is to bring in players with limited technical ability and do their best work off the ball but with more passion and work rate then pogba doesn't really fit in.

4.) 18 Oct 2019 14:04:23
I like to try and be more realistic in what I expect from footballers. I don't expect them to have an undying love and passion for the club, that's the fans job.
If they do then that's a bonus.

What I expect is for a footballer to be professional, as that is what they are, professionals.

I expect them to work hard, look to develop their skills and be committed to the team. They don't need to love the club.

But they need to respect their position, they need to respect their team mates and they need to respect their manager and coaches.

Without seeing how Pogba is in training it is hard to say if he is showing that. Yet his on field performances are often inconsistent at best which suggests he isn't working as hard as he should be. He has all the talent to be a top player, but does he have the drive and application?

If he wants to be elsewhere, then fine. I won't hold a grudge, but he needs to being working hard for his team mates or eventually they will turn against him.

I think Ed002 was right on the money again with Pogba, his career belongs in Spain or back in Italy. Yet with Juventus having 7 midfielders on the books (Ramesey, Pjanic, Khedira, Can, Raboit, Matuidi and Bentancur) I don't see a place for him unless several leave. Real Madrid's interest seems to stem from Zidane, who himself might not be there all that much longer with Jose apparently a possible replacement. His options might be growing thin. With Barcelona having recently signed Frenkie De Jong and Arthur, they are unlikely to look to spend the 150m+ it would take to bring him in, plus they have wage limitations unless they can shift one or two big earners. Ultimately PSG might be the best possible escape route for him. With both Real Madrid and Barcelona circling for Mbappe and Neymar respectively PSG might have some funds to reinvest and they have shown an appetite to try and bring in some of the best French players in the world.

So, I feel PSG might be the place he ends up next, either that or he will sign a new increased long term deal with us.

5.) 18 Oct 2019 14:34:03
you can count on one hand the number of top performances pogba has produced for us. you can say its because of the talent around him but i don't think that's totally accurate. Pogba has immense talent, however there are games where he doesn't even do the simple things well (pass to a team mate, control the ball, track a runner) . like the above post i don't expect him to die for the shirt but I expect him to put a shift in. Our problem is that our players are either short on talent, high on workrate or high on talent and short on effort.

This may all be a result of him being demoralised and wanting to leave, thus affecting his performances. whatever the reason a move away may be best for all parties.

6.) 18 Oct 2019 20:23:51
The reality is Pobga has no support around him, literally nothing. We play mostly rubbish football, I'm not shocked he doesn't enjoy himself. We have 4 average midfielders that create nothing/ do anything to support him. Pobga, as he has shown with France and Juve, with quality players around him, he is also a quality player. We are a team devoid of forward talent, quality or movement, or tactical knowledge form the sideline.

I implore anyone to play midfield in a team like this and excel as a creative player. It just doesn't happen at the highest level. Yeah he has rubbish games, yeah his good ones are not frequent enough but he is still the only one of those midfielders that comes close to being on an high level (couldn't consider him world class or elite) .

7.) 18 Oct 2019 20:33:01
That's the thing MrGoodKat, he has played better at Juventus and with France. Yet, he has been just as inconsistent with both his previous club and his national side.

8.) 18 Oct 2019 20:58:24
I agree, he goes missing - but he is still clearly the best midfielder we have, and the sad thing is, it's by a long way. It's good to see McTominay play for the shirt but lacks any real quality (in terms of what we expect a Man Utd player to be), Matic lacks mobility and any real influence on the game and Fred lacks everything technical about a footballer.

I disagree with the "Pogba doesn't track back etc" complaints. What I really want from him is to create something, get on the ball, run forward. Play to strengths and not square pegs round holes situation. I want United to but some players that have a dedicated position in the front 4. To be able to say, with confidence that this is the best player to play Striker or Right Wing or Attacking Mid.

9.) 19 Oct 2019 07:56:16
That's the annoying thing with Pogba, he isn't just our most talented midfielder by a long way. He has more talent than 95% of all midfielders anywhere.

He does track back, but he is even more inconsistent with his defensive work than he is with his more expansive and creative work. My issue is even when he does track back he doesn't do so with any purpose. He jogs back and never looks like he is going to attempt to put a tackle or a block in.

The fact that over his time at United he averages 0.8 tackles per game shows his lack of desire to do the dirty work.

To be honest I'm not too bothered about that. Not all midfielders need to be crunching in tackles. What disappoints me with Pogba is that he at 27 is still so inconsistent with the parts of the game he does enjoy. His passing, shooting and chance creation some games is world class, while woeful in others.

He reminds me a bit of Nani, a player on his day is unplayable and will win you games on his own. However, "his day" might only be one game a month, in the others he is distinctly average.



15 Oct 2019 06:38:15
There have been rumours for a few days that Kevin, one of the Glazers was selling up, that he had swapped his B voting shares for A shares. I was told a couple of days ago the B shares can't be sold. Now there are reports in the main press that Kevin Glazer has transferred his 13% to A shares and is looking to sell. According to the press several others want to sell up too. Hopefully it is the beginning of the end of them, although it is said two of the family don't want to sell.

Red Man

1.) 15 Oct 2019 07:20:27
Yeah Red Man.
Multiple news channels reporting the same.

2.) 15 Oct 2019 07:37:48
I would not be surprised if they are selling to family? Maybe someone wants more power?

3.) 15 Oct 2019 12:02:01
So how does this work then? If the individual share holders sell up and shares are sold on the stock market, how will that change anything in the future? Won't the shareholders just keep getting dividends? How is that any different to how it is now?

4.) 15 Oct 2019 13:36:41
Nothing actually concrete has happened redman, 1 guy is selling but it just means more control over utd for the other glazers.

5.) 15 Oct 2019 16:55:43
If one's had enough then its a start.

6.) 15 Oct 2019 18:02:04
Apparently being denied now. ☹️.



08 Oct 2019 10:40:04
Rumour, The morale in the dressing room is at the lowest for the past ten months with observers claiming there is a lack of energy which is 'sapping' spirits at Carrington.

Red Man

{Ed007's Note - Who ya gonna call.......


1.) 08 Oct 2019 12:25:02
Love it Bond.

2.) 08 Oct 2019 15:17:04
you could see how bad the morale is in david de gea, s interview after sundays game.

3.) 08 Oct 2019 18:11:02
Dea gea was right though we can't even score.

We have a decent defence but that's what were relying on to get us points

The midfield and attack have to step up.

I'm still amused as to why we keep playing possession football. let the other teams have the ball then break.

We have speed up top but we are not using are best assets atm.

4.) 09 Oct 2019 06:16:56
He is rightfully disgusted.
We are short of a prolific goal scorer.

5.) 09 Oct 2019 19:12:58
TrueRedDevil, i would give my left nut just for a goal scorer. Both for a prolific one!

6.) 12 Oct 2019 15:50:37
Poor comment un an interview from DDG. He would have better saying that when the team isn't scoring there is more pressure on saving shots like the Newcastle one.



24 Sep 2019 06:35:17
So the leaks begin. Apparently some players harbour reservations over Kieran McKenna having such a key role in first-team training little more than a year after being promoted from the Under 18s. His sessions are thought by some to be more suited to the academy

There are also questions why there are so many non contact injuries having supposedly used pre season to get the players into peak fitness, questions why the lethargy when they are fit, what did Phil Jones and Woodward really say despite the denials.

This isn't going to end well everyone.

Red Man

1.) 24 Sep 2019 12:46:00
Dont rub your hands too much, you'll get friction burns.

2.) 24 Sep 2019 13:18:39
Where are these leaks red man? I’ve not seen them (not saying what you’re saying is false btw would like to read them) but then surely they’d be saying the same of Carrick. Then again we heard these rumours in pre season and they soon disappeared.

3.) 24 Sep 2019 17:10:57
The Daily Mail. I read it myself, today, and knew you'd pick up on it Red Man 😁 Mind you, I had to take a long shower after reading it.

4.) 24 Sep 2019 17:56:10
Daily Fail? lol.

5.) 24 Sep 2019 18:24:19
I was getting my hair done, TRD 😁.

6.) 25 Sep 2019 07:54:04
I heard that Phil Jones said 'poor' unsure whether he was talking about a refereeing decision or his teammates (he should be) and Ed turned round and said 'quiet, we are on camera' that's just one story.

As for McKenna, I think the media are loving a United in crisis story so will push anything, wouldn't wprry too much on McKenna.

What I do worry about is why year after year we have so many injuries, it seems to have been every season since van Gaal, perhaps even Moyes time, I dunno if we have players nowadays more like athletes and break down easier or the stricter training we have now is too much for some, no idea.

Was thinking about Martial this morning, he is always injured, can never get a run of games out of him, and he is probably the most key player in the way Ole wants to counter attack, I see a long season of inconsistent results and performances ahead, I can live with that if we see the desire in the players, I have seen that except at west ham which worries me.

Arsenal at home next is probably the perfect fixture to get that desire back and a win wouldn't shock me, hopefully we have some players back for this one.

Saving grace at the moment is Chelsea and Spurs are having equally as bad starts and a win over the gunners keeps us on pace for 4th.

I've said it all along since they sacked Moyes and I'll say it again, we must stick by a manager, we cannot carry on chopping and changing managers, backroom teams, players and playing style, that's why we are in such a mess, it's not going to be pretty for a good while yet but the 3 lads he's brought in are the right type of player, he needs more windows to bring in more players that fits what Ole wants, it's going to take time.

I now hear 'oh we've spent £900m' yes, Ole has had 1 window, the rest is past and we are on a new path, one the club and fans must stick too.

7.) 25 Sep 2019 09:02:25

We need to get the right manager to stick behind, not the failed Cardiff one.

8.) 25 Sep 2019 09:41:46
By the way there are now more rumours of players feeling training is uninspiring and old fashioned.

9.) 25 Sep 2019 10:43:54
Ole was appointed and is our manager so therefore he is the right one and we have to get behind him and the club needs to give him the funds and time to build a squad. Everyone is too impatient, can't rebuild a squad in his model in 1 window, will be a few more windows by we see the squad he ideally wants.

10.) 25 Sep 2019 12:06:39
Red man I’d pay no attention to those rumours. Always an attempt to find a problem wrong with everything. As ed001 said when results are good training is fine, when bad it’s rubbish. It’s the same with any job, it things aren’t going well in the office or wherever you work it’s not great but a good week or few days and it’s a different outlook.

11.) 26 Sep 2019 06:55:11

What we are seeing on the pitch is a result of what is happening on the training pitch.

12.) 26 Sep 2019 09:59:30
Uninspiring training? Give me a break. They should be inspired to play and win trophies for Man Utd. Knuckle down, do what your boss is asking of you and make an impact on the pitch.

13.) 26 Sep 2019 11:15:01
Red man

I don’t think anyone can say definitively unless we are on the training pitch. Do you think Rojo is instructed to shoot on sight once he crosses halfway?

14.) 27 Sep 2019 09:37:10
It was exactly the same under Jose. I remember asking several times back then, what exactly did they do in training all week, because once they crossed the line, they looked like eleven strangers.



29 Aug 2019 12:35:26
I have heard a rumour that the club are gearing up to start improvements to the South Stand next year. However, the same rumour is that the land around OT has been bought not by United or our present owners but by a Middle Eastern connection. That is all I have heard but this is a rumour site.

Red Man

1.) 29 Aug 2019 14:34:29
Thanks for sharing red man. Very interesting.

2.) 29 Aug 2019 15:36:37
Great rumour Red Man, you can’t beat a good rumour.

Check out the Spurs site for a great Poch rumour In reply to a question I asked.

3.) 29 Aug 2019 16:23:08
Very good AJH. Looking into the neighbours house and thinking everything is rosey isn't necessarily the case.

4.) 29 Aug 2019 16:45:11
Wouldn't the ownership of the ground be public knowledge? There should be a way to check this up.

5.) 29 Aug 2019 18:06:49

It said land around the ground. If you know the area the railway is right behind the South stand, there is a station there but behind that are houses and a street. The ground is the clubs and some land around it but no idea which bits.

6.) 29 Aug 2019 18:48:22
Yeah it's long been an issue, if I'm not mistaken Railway Rd is where they'd need to buy the houses, and they'd need to find a solution for the rail tracks. I just thought property owners, at least of non-residential buildings would be information available to the public. I remember reading that the costs to expand the stadium would be as much as building a new one, which will probably continue delaying any work.

7.) 29 Aug 2019 23:27:01
What was said AJH? i can't seem to find anything on the spurs page.

8.) 30 Aug 2019 07:21:03
DH click on Spurs banter.

9.) 30 Aug 2019 10:38:12
Hi All,

on the South stand situation.

The land is owned by the railway as is the bridge/ walkway from Railway road into the stadium.

I have friends who live on Railway road and they have not been contacted by anyone with regards to selling up.

In fact Jay (the City Fan) lives on the right of the bridge some 4-7 doors down (not giving his address. lol)

His place would be one of the houses directly impacted by development.

He'd been previously advised regrading the improvements when they were first put up for public review. although the extension would encompass the actual railway the physical building would be bridged over to form a covered station/ platform. It wouldn't require any of the houses to be bought unless it is found to cause irreparable damage to the property through ground disturbance.

Sunlight and shade is said to be of concern however due to the angle of the road they would still get a lot of light in the rear gardens.


10.) 31 Aug 2019 06:54:36
Wow good info monk 👍.




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12 Mar 2020 20:03:51
AWB, I have been impressed.

I was brought into my first football team at about 8 as a right back. It was a time when you could fly into tackles, you learnt timing. My late brother, also played right back, told me there were three stages as a right back, slide in win the ball, slide miss the ball take the player and lastly where did he go. I watched AWB and appreciated his timing, the way he watches the ball, gives such focus and concentration to it then goes in, is exquisite. Probably the best tackler of the type I have seen in a long time, a real throwback. As he gets older remember the three stages, it got to Gary Neville and AWB relies on the decisive speed to get a toe in. Enjoy the technique, defending can be a pleasure to watch.

Red Man

1.) 13 Mar 2020 07:11:34
I think AWB is very much like me.

2.) 13 Mar 2020 10:11:40
His style means that unless he learns to adapt his approach as he get older he might have a sharp decline.

However, if he learns to stay on his feet and sheperd the player down a blind alley then he will prolong his career at the top level, while also becoming a more rounded defender.

Currently his timing and the ability he has to get his foot on the ball is world class. I can't remember seeing another defender with such ability to win the ball.

I think there are two areas I would be working on him improving, the first is learning not to always slide in and learn the art of defending while staying on your feet. The second is to just slow down slightly as he enters the final third and looking to cross. He plays slightly to hurried, meaning he either doesn't have time to get his head up or is trying to hit the cross while still running at full speed. That would massively improve his delivery into the box.

3.) 13 Mar 2020 12:03:41
His timing of a tackle is excellent however he slides in that much I wonder whether he is over reliant on his athleticism and like Shappy says as he gets older he would decline because for me if a defender is diving and sliding in as much as he does either his positioning is off or his reading of the game.

Vvd best defender around is so good but you rarely see him having to dive in his positioning is that good bit like Rio.

4.) 13 Mar 2020 18:37:42
Shappy i think that the crosses at speed is the best bissaka can produce. The instict crosses at speed. I think, and is just my opinion, that his problem is when he slows it down and he has no idea what to do with the ball.



02 Mar 2020 17:51:40
So with 10 games to go we need 22 points to equal Moyes points tally from 2014. 2.2 points per game on average. Can we do it?

Red Man

1.) 02 Mar 2020 18:31:37
Quite the motivational tool.

2.) 02 Mar 2020 18:45:50
I think we will see 5 wins 2 losses and 3 draws in our remaining 10 games.

3.) 02 Mar 2020 20:50:50
4 wins 3 draws 3 losses would be in keeping with our average over the season i don't see any reason why we will suddenly improve.

4.) 02 Mar 2020 20:52:00
Tbf red man moyes inherited a title winning team and the league landscape was different then. a lot of teams are considerably better now than they were then. That being said I agree that our results haven't been good enough, whether they are good enough for board, time will tell I guess.

5.) 02 Mar 2020 22:35:04
Ole took over a side 2nd the season before.

6.) 03 Mar 2020 14:58:10
I think we're in good form, so hopefully we can. No team can lose the likes of rashford and still perform at 100 percent. If mane was injured for 4 months, will liverpool be banging them in?
I think we can go from now to the end of season and maybe only lose one. I actually think Everton away was our biggest remaining test. I don't know why, but I think we'll do well against City.



02 Feb 2020 08:42:03
I don't always agree with Jamie Redknapp but I do on both Martial and Solskjaer.

Martial was awful yesterday, virtually no movement, he is only any good with the ball at his feet facing goal about 18 yards out. I watched Raul, the Wolves centre forward and how he and several of his team ran at us with the ball, unafraid to commit our players. Then I watched our team that got the ball out to full backs yet then passed it inside, whilst Martial stood around waiting for the Hollywood pass. I grew up watching our great wide players, who didn't love Georgie Best, then Coppell and Hill. Now we rely on fast breaks using pace Through the middle and without Rashfords pace we look toothless, tactically bankrupt.

Redknapp says Ole looks a beaten man, doesn't have any spark, his win numbers are terrible. I think Ole and those nodding donkeys that sit alongside him are not just beaten, they are in fear of losing and set their team up not to lose, not to get caught. It is a negative, Cardiff, Hull mindset. Yesterday we contained Wolves at home, great performance according to Ole. I don't think I have been as bored watching United since I was stood on the Stretford End watching Sextons team.

Yes I am at it again, it's because this hurts, the drivel about how Ole is a legend so should be given more time whilst the club withers to insignificance is thoroughly annoying, frustrating and downright stupid. That negative safety first set up yesterday, the don't concede at all costs because once we do we are stuffed, that counter attack at home tactic, is unacceptable as are Solskjaers numbers as a manager. This is far worse than anything under any manager since Sexton.

After 25 games we are below Sheffield United, sat with the also rans, playing to do not lose tactics. We look up and an awful Chelsea team are easily ahead, look further up and Liverpool have more than double our points. Look around us and we have Newcastle, Everton, Southampton not far behind. It's disgraceful and I weep at the lack of leadership, the folly, the hubris coming out of my club. We have to start the comeback, you all must know Ole isn't up to it by now. Yes we need new owners, yes we need new decision makers, a DOF but at least let us watch some decent football, actually looking to attack the opponents goal, not this safety first where shape, shape, shape has replaced Attack, Attack, Attack.

Red Man

{Ed047's Note - it’s like me trying to believe Unai Emery was taking Arsenal places, he was but it wasn’t upwards.

Some duped by that 22 game unbeaten run at the beginning of his tenure, even gave him the start of this season after the abject failure at the end of last season.

Two managers clearly way, way, way out of their depths. I don’t imagine their is a single fan of any other team in the league that doesn’t want OGS to stay at United.

1.) 02 Feb 2020 09:18:16
We are not a ruthless club.
We let lingard, Jones, pereira keep playing for us again and again and again.
We let Pogba take the piss out of our club.
And we do not sign a striker because we fear it will halt the development of martial.
if Martial is good enough he will grow with the competition of places, if he wants to sulk the door is always open to leave the club.

Then there are angel Gomes and tahith Chong who have shown little flashes and we have been unable to sign them up.

Maybe they won't ever be united players, but I don't really think they have had a proper chance.

If half the game time afforded to pereira and Lingard were given to either of them we would have been better performances.

James Garner is suddenly not training with us for a month.

I'd rather have a coach like hassenhuttl or nagelsmann.

2.) 02 Feb 2020 10:17:08
Top post red man. Can’t argue with any of that. The one positive for me is I think Bruno can be a real player for us. Some really nice passes. Haven’t been this excited for a player for a while. Imagine him under a proper manager.

3.) 02 Feb 2020 10:21:29
No doubt you will get the usual bashing from the usual suspects Red Man, but in all honesty I genuinely fail to understand how anyone can disagree.

4.) 02 Feb 2020 10:37:40
Redman i think we will have to wait until the summer.
Most of the usual suspects have taken a break betty. Funny that.

5.) 02 Feb 2020 10:42:58
Completely right.

Martial looks like a winger playing up front in a training game. No movement, no dragging defenders out of position, no ability to hold up the ball, and no willingness to get on the end of crosses.

Shappy said that he is great at linkup play. Really? When he’s not being muscled off the ball, he’s misplacing one-twos at the edge of the box.

The most damning thing from yesterday was Fernandes. He started the game trying to occupy the space between the defence and mid. Slowly he started dropping deeper when he started to realise that no one was capable of getting the ball to him in those positions. By the end of the game he was often our deepest lying mid because that’s the only way he could influence the game.

6.) 02 Feb 2020 11:13:19

I maybe wrong, but recall I read Ole said he tactically changed Fernandes position at half time, dropped him back to be deep so he could “get more time on the ball” . Our best chance of a goal from midfield pushed back away from goal.

Ken, You May sadly be right. Although I think it may be like with Moyes, just waiting to see if we make top four. It really breaks my heart to see us regress to early seventies standard and accept it.

7.) 02 Feb 2020 11:14:01
Hard to disagree Red Man.
I was just wondering if we had 3 of the Wolves players.

Raul Jiminez as Striker, Adama Troare in RW and Ruben Neves as the holding midfielder.
For the past couple of months, teams have been ganging up on Adama.

8.) 02 Feb 2020 11:37:32
I thought we were awful yesterday, devoid of ideas, passion, energy, pace. James looks massively out of his depth and has done for some time, Pereira was dreadful as he has been regularly, and Martial was, well Martial. I also noticed the comparison with Raul who never stopped running and attacking.

Lots of huffing and puffing but no bite up front and apparently no desire. I even started playing on the iPad I was so bored. Woodward isn’t a fool despite the grief he gets. If we continue post break like this when we have players back then Ole will be gone. Whatever the master pan might be, displays like yesterday are not acceptable, maybe once a season but not as regularly as we are seeing them. Having see off Spurs and a City we should have pressed on but sadly we are sliding backwards.

9.) 02 Feb 2020 11:51:37

There is a real fear of losing in the management, you can see and feel it. It transmits into the tactics.

10.) 02 Feb 2020 12:05:23
Attack Attack Attack, is unfortunately a mantra that has been ignored by ALL the post-Fergie managers.

11.) 02 Feb 2020 12:12:33
I really like Martial so maybe I am being too easy on him but I think Ole is draining the life out of our players. The Wolves players are playing with a confidence that comes from having a Manager that knows what he's doing and having top-level coaches like Ian Cathro.

We are relying on players to basically win games by themselves because those in the dugout have no clue. I don't want to use the cliche that has become too familiar with us since Fergie left but maybe with a good manager players like Martial would have the confidence and freedom to perform more consistently.

12.) 02 Feb 2020 12:21:12
Moyes, LVG, and Jose are all defence first managers. The club knew that when they hired them.

Ole, I still don’t know what type of manager he is, other than a mediocre one. His best performances came before he had time to properly coach the team - just go out and have fun. The more time he has had in charge, the less attacking we have become. There were points yesterday when our forwards were surprised that Fernandes was passing the ball forward in the final third.

At present we play like a midtable side - maintain the shape, keep it tight at the back, and try to nick a goal on the break. I don’t think that this is all down to nerves or lack of quality players, it’s also a coaching team with no real ideas for playing on the front foot.

13.) 02 Feb 2020 12:23:58

This is the worst since Sexton.

14.) 02 Feb 2020 12:29:58
Red Man, as you know, I'm not a fan of Solskjaer at the wheel. And no one can disagree or put up half an argument in his favour.
I have been saying for some time that the problem lies with our forwards being too static. This makes it difficult for any midfielder to thread a pass to them. Watch Raul, or Aguero or any of the top attackers and they never stop making diagonal runs across the defence, trying to pull them out of shape. Martial does non of that.
So my annoyance is with Solskjaer and the coaching team for not picking this up. They play football that has been outdated 10 years ago.
I said from day one that Carrick and Phelan are useless. Carrick is a dour character and he was a holding midfielder (and very good at it) . Phelan as a player was a lingard equivalent but worse (if that's possible! ) . He used to run around like a headless chicken with no idea what he's trying to achieve. So, why did the club allow them to make a team, and how did they think that the three will suddenly turn into passionate, in your ear, managers? We need to see passion, arrogance and fight, but we have three people in charge who are so dour and the team is playing in the same way as the management characters, boring and dour.
Unfortunately, as Ken rightly says, we will not see a change anytime soon.

15.) 02 Feb 2020 13:01:16
I agree AJH, James should not be a starter he is a plan B, he would be better appreciated coming off the bench. He is probably on a par with Pereira, who again should only be considered for the bench with mounting injuries. As for Lingard, he should have gone at least 3 years back, nowhere near good enough for any Premier League team.

We are far too light weight up front and have been for some time. If the hollywood ball doesn't work we struggle to pull defences apart.

16.) 02 Feb 2020 14:20:11
Red Man, I think people forget how bad it was at times under all the previous managers. I stopped watching at half time under LVG. My son, a Utd fanatic, kept finding other things to be at when they were playing. As for Jose, the games against Seville and Liverpool, were two of the most negative games I've ever seen us involved in. And they were just the two that stood out in a pile of steaming poo. He had a full compliment of strikers to choose from, too. The football now, is no different. Too slow, too predictable.

17.) 02 Feb 2020 18:25:57
Sorry lads the usual suspects are here but maybe do not have as much free time as you guys.

We've beaten wolves once since they came up yeah? You're right Ole is to blame for all of those times we didn't beat wolves under jose aswell.

We are down to the bare bones, the players are goosed for energy. So many games. Most will laugh but I really think we will kick on after this 16 day break. Chelsea when we come back, if we win that I believe we will go on finish in the top 4 with relative ease.

In Ole I trust. Believe!

{Ed047's Note - well done for sticking to your guns mate, how much have you bet on it? 😉

18.) 02 Feb 2020 23:34:47
Bet my life on it Ed 😂.

{Ed047's Note - 🤣👍🏼



30 Jan 2020 08:01:44
Free kick end of an important game desperate for a goal. We all know Mata has to be on it. I watched and couldn't understand why Fred was taking it, in fact there are a few I would rather take it than Fred.

Ole said post match that Mata and Fred had a free kick competition in training that Fred won by scoring 7 times . What utter amateur nonsense, again. The manager should ignore that puerile childish nonsense and tell the best free kick taker to take it. Lack of leadership from management and we saw it before with the Pogba Rashford penalty farce. It also shows management have not learned from that. Pathetic lack of leadership.

Red Man

{Ed047's Note - Ollie really is a shocker, I can’t believe some of the stuff he comes out with.

1.) 30 Jan 2020 08:34:58
I think it's more pathetic that pep has managed to lose to the worst manager of all time on two occasions this season.

2.) 30 Jan 2020 08:40:14
so let's blame ole because 2 grown men decided upon themselves to take the free kick

if fred was banging them in training why doesn't

he deserve to try and give it a go.

3.) 30 Jan 2020 08:51:09
How do you rate the best free kick taker?

To get in the team you are supposed to play the best in training to prove you deserve to start. So why doesn't the same apply to taking set pieces?

If Fred outperformed Mata in training in a specific metric then he should be ahead of him in the matches for that specific metric.

{Ed001's Note - surely the issue is how can such a crap free kick taker be the best at it in the team?}

4.) 30 Jan 2020 08:56:24
Because if ever a free kick was nailed on for Mata, it was that one last night.

5.) 30 Jan 2020 09:09:07
Rashford was blasting free kicks everywhere but on target for the past year or so. I didn't hear too much about managers being totally inept because of it then.
Have you managed to hit bull on that Ole dartboard you have yet mate.

6.) 30 Jan 2020 09:25:12
Mata took a free kick from a similar place in the Burnley game and missed it I believe.

7.) 30 Jan 2020 09:28:18
To be fair, it’s similar to the penalty taking debacle with Rashford and Martial. It probably happens at every club, the problem is our manager tells the press.
At one point when that free kick was being lined up, I thought Lindelof was going to have a crack 😳
It should’ve been Mata taking it all day long. As much as I now like Fred, his shot is awful.

8.) 30 Jan 2020 09:30:56
Don't worry lads, Bruno will step and take set pieces from now.

9.) 30 Jan 2020 09:31:59
Red Man, I think it shows how amateur we are. Mata should be taking that all day long, then he is basically ushered away from it by Fred, and even more worrying, Pereira. Absolute joke.

10.) 30 Jan 2020 09:55:49
Anyone who has watched the youth teams will know out of the three of them Andreas could have been considered the best option.

11.) 30 Jan 2020 10:07:49
I believe Mata has scored every free kick he's ever taken.

12.) 30 Jan 2020 10:34:12
He has Nou even the one he didn't take last night apparently.

13.) 30 Jan 2020 13:21:56
Wiggy 😁 Caolan, I agree, mate. It's one of the better parts of his game. Maybe Mata for his composure at that stage, but I mentioned on the live chat, Andreas would be a good shout.



19 Jan 2020 10:12:17
We are in the middle of another transfer window, admittedly the more difficult January one and there is frustration at not signing anyone. Personally I think we still lack direction, any obvious coherent plan and would just be throwing money out there to show we mean business, after all how do they decide if a player fits a plan if we haven't got one.

The perfect storm has happened, Liverpool have a unity of purpose, a plan from owners down. Their owners don't take dividends, they have an aim, a football not financial aim and let the professionals get on with it. I despair at what I am seeing at OT. People screaming about not buying a Portuguese player for a lot of money. However, not long ago we were told OGS cultural reboot meant a Longstaff brother from Newcastle was the answer. What it symbolises is an utter mess of our own making.

If ever there was a changing of the guard it is this afternoon, if we win it likely won't stop them and will merely show how fickle our club, team and management is, we would be the cup team again. Lose and we watch the spectre of Liverpool I grew up within the seventies and eighties becoming reality. Today is more than just a game it is a ultra high definition view of the train wreck on one side and the speeding train on the other. Liverpool with a new stand, planning another, investment in their infrastructure whilst we can't even repair the damn roof.

Like in the eighties we were an annoyance to that lot and are becoming that again. We won't be great until we learn the lessons of how they and City have planned their success, hence today and this time should be less about shiny new expensive players but what the structure is going to be. We have seen years of speculation about a DOF, let's see but I would prefer buying shiny new players after we have a direction.

Red Man

1.) 19 Jan 2020 10:36:02
So we should lose today, sack Ole and then buy players?

{Ed047's Note - well if as a club you have any ambition of getting anywhere then yep that sounds about right.

That or keep the blinkers firmly fixed in place and hope and I mean seriously hope.

2.) 19 Jan 2020 11:03:25
Good post red man. Can’t really argue with any of that.

3.) 19 Jan 2020 12:02:48
Great post Redman. The club needs a root and branch reform as politicians would say.

We need the following:

1) New Chief exec who has a clue how to run a sporting institution.

2) Ed to go back to the marketing team (he is very good at that to be fair to him) .

3) A Director of Football.

4) A new manager.

5) A new coaching team.

6) A new scouting dept that can spot players before they're worth £80m.

Once we get these in place we can formulate a long term vision for success. then we can start buying players to fit that vision.

As for Bruno (the fans latest obsession) I doubt Ole has even thought about how best to use him once he arrives or how to structure the team around him to get maximum impact from his skillset. He'll just be thrown into the playmaking position and expected to perform miracles then criticised when he doesn't.

4.) 19 Jan 2020 12:10:17
Spot on Redman. Excellent post that and all very true.

5.) 19 Jan 2020 13:11:35
Red Man, as you know we agree on most things as we've seen our club through good, bad and ugly. The club does need a complete overhaul on the footballing side. But we have owners with different motives to Liverpool's. Hence, this circus will carry on for as long as the owners and their puppets are in place.
However, I disagree on Bruno Fernandes, he is an exceptional player, scores goals from midfield, provides assists and works extremely hard for the team. He is better than any midfielder we've got including mr Pogba, by a country mile.
Is he going to single handedly get us back challenging for the title? No. But he is the start of the rebuilding of our midfield hopefully. Add Maddison or Grealish ton top and a fit mctominay, then we will look like a team who can score from midfield and dominate games.
Problem is that Moyes, lvg, and Mourinho bought a load of players that were not fit for the job. Lots of mercenaries, di maria, Sanchez, pogba, to name a few. However, Solskjaer is trying to put the onus back on buying younger, hungrier players who we can develop. Non of us can argue that McGuire, AWB and James have not been good purchases. They've all done well. So we're moving in the right way. But, we're going to need to continue to do so, and Fernandes will hopefully be the first to rebuild our midfield.
Will the owners back the manager? Will they spend money on OT? Will they improve Carrington? Personally, I don't think so. But we can only hope they give the manager money to buy the likes of Fernandes, who WILL improve our midfield.

6.) 19 Jan 2020 14:08:46
Meh I'm a romantic so I'll keep my blinkers on for this race if you don't mind ed.
In Ole I trust. Believe!

7.) 19 Jan 2020 19:39:08
Why do we need Bruno Fernandez when we have Pereira and lingard 😂.




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07 Apr 2020 06:59:54
I have said before, don’t ignore this lad Mejbri, he looked to have serious talent. If anyone can step in rather than the useless Perreira or ageing Mata it is an exciting youth. Up to Mejbri But if he keeps developing he is the type that may well earn a place. As with all youth you have to see, but look beyond Perreira and Mata.

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05 Apr 2020 10:00:35
At the moment the Ed is correct. Between Busby and SAF United fans kept saying we were relevant, a big club, when we were historically big but inconsequential where it mattered. Liverpool were the same for nearly 30 years. Now we are kidding ourselves again. We are irrelevant where it matters in the league and in Europe. We have a manager that has no one convinced, doesn’t have the know how to challenge or make the club relevant. We wallow in sentiment, dewy eyed about history but not able to look at reality of our situation. We have an amateur set up with the focus on finance not football. We have huge debts and will no doubt see a huge loss of income to service them. At the moment we are not at Juventus‘s level. If the league doesn’t finish and unless there is a major change I can’t see it, there will be a large financial hole and trap awaiting us. Maybe the huge debt we have just became an even bigger problem that might wake some up.

We think because of history that we are as big or bigger than Juventus, folly and emotional tosh. A giant club would not have been so amateur over the last 7 years, it wouldn’t have been so sentimental in its decision making. If we are struggling to attract a Birmingham youth to play for our club and OGS, what gives anyone the idea that MDL, who isn’t involved in the sentimental claptrap, will want to take a step down because that is what it would be until we wake up.

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15 Feb 2020 19:00:25
If you played in defence you had to face forward and trust the keeper behind you. If there was any doubt it affected your decision making and concentration.

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15 Feb 2020 09:16:28
I am with Shappy on this. DDG doesn’t command his 6 yard box let alone the penalty area. Brilliant shot stopper but if I am a defender when a cross comes in I would have that lack of command in my mind. For me I wouldn’t have given him the big fancy new contract and would have given Henderson a chance this season. I definitely would next season, if we could shift DDG.

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15 Jan 2020 06:32:50

And he is still a better more experienced manager than OGS.

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04 Apr 2020 14:29:35
Congrats Daz

Stay safe and hope they all stay well

I get to be a grandad in late summer, it’s going to be a boy, but the father wants him to be a Chelsea fan. I sense trouble ahead.

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31 Mar 2020 07:06:46

I remember the menthol treatment in a bowl!

To help coughs (I don’t know if it works with the Corona cough) rub Vick on the chest and the soles of your feet then put socks. It may help breathing to. Helped with coughs in the past.

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31 Mar 2020 08:16:12
Mejbri looks an interesting one from what I have seen. Talented mercurial and inventive. Next season we should see him emerge if he keeps developing.

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29 Mar 2020 19:48:34

Shappy needs to stop trying to control the masses and ensure people think what he does, thought control. This isn’t about everyone being a believer in his god like status. Express an opinion about football is one thing but to tell everyone that there is but one truth and that is the Shappy truth is very controlling. The Ed comments were right. Focus on football tactics not on politics and unless you are an eminent virologist not on what is happening.

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28 Mar 2020 14:32:56
I think people should stay away from Government of the Country issues, especially Shappy.

In terms of the virus, there is no vaccine, no cure and once it got out of China mass infections were always going to happen.

Our Government have to weigh up the whole position, make decisions at the right time, base it on medical opinion.

Meanwhile amateurs with no knowledge of what is happening think they know better and run the country their way whilst sat on their sofa.

No more than football clubs can be run by Jonny from Bedford because he has played FIFA 19, than can decisions on the country be made from Shappys front room.

Please keep this to football or set up a political dissident page.

Red Man