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23 Jul 2018 19:43:22
Who knows how true a rumour is but today it is said Mourinho is meeting Woodward and a member of the Glazer family. It is rumoured Mourinho is not at all happy with transfers. Last summer he openly asked for 4 and they let him down only got 3 and didn't bring in the wide attacker, we can see what has happened this summer and whilst the window isn't closed is anyone else getting the feeling there is a financial squeeze?

I hope Mourinho has the guts to call the owners and Woodward out, something SAF didn't. To get change a business needs to experience pain so for me if there is a financial squeeze I hope Mourinho walks away, leaves us in the mess the club will have brought on itself. Years of no value, LvG saying he didn't get what he wanted, only 3 out of 4 last summer. The trend has to stop now, I hope Mourinho is the one to finally take a stand. What we have isn't good enough, 2 more players, no fullbacks, really? Time for change at Old Trafford.

Red Man

1.) 23 Jul 2018 20:46:59
Red man the club is obviously trying to sell off a few before we can buy. Our moto like citys when they first got money of double or tripling players wages will always come back to haunt us. Weve spent like the moneys burning a hole in our pockets without a clear plan. The club may also view 3/ 8 of joses signings could be gone by the end of the summer that's hardly a good turn around on who the manager is investing in either.


2.) 23 Jul 2018 20:52:36
Hope so RM.


3.) 23 Jul 2018 21:17:56
W16wes

Do we really know how many were Mourinho’s first choice? We know he did not get Perisic. There is a pattern from when the owners arrived and now the club owners need to realise this isn’t a transition from SAF to a new manager but from United to a new dynasty, either City or Liverpool and they are letting it happen on their watch. I have banged on about a plan for years whilst watching City when they were dismissed as noisy. The owners need to have a plan and be decisive, now, right now.


4.) 23 Jul 2018 21:36:52
Walk away without a payoff? Rightfully no way he'd do that.

If mourinho is really that upset, no reason why they can't come to a mutual agreement and a stopgap manager put in charge till next season.


5.) 23 Jul 2018 21:39:44
Think we have spent plenty with the last 2 managers. Our targets are with other large European clubs and so it’s not easy to get them in.
Where is the development of youth? We have a good coaching and scouting system with some excellent youngsters pushing through who won’t get a chance under JM.
It’s not all about pure money.
I like JM but he is a 3 year project which is coming to an end. If he could see the bigger picture then he has the chance to create sonething special at Utd. Our club and fans are more patient and will stick by a manager who is creating a team between bringing in top class and developing youth within. As long as too 4 is achieved people will stick with the project if it’s a long term plan.


6.) 23 Jul 2018 22:49:49
The point is does the club have a plan. It doesn't look like it.


7.) 23 Jul 2018 23:10:52
Mourinho looks completely disinterested during the matches. His demeanor and comments afterward makes it seem like these friendlies are for fitness only, it looks like there are no tactics being worked on. He has also shown very little enthusiasm for his own players. His lack of passion looks like it is spreading to the players, and the fans as well. I think it is shocking that a manager, whatever his resume, can have so little enthusiasm for such a big job.


8.) 24 Jul 2018 04:27:20
Spent millions and people are still hanging on to the poor Jose line .
He didn't get perisic so what it happens, Jose has said he didn't want to come and he signed a nice new deal with inter.
So we went and got Sanchez instead what's the problem?


9.) 24 Jul 2018 06:33:53
Jred

The problem? Fullback, centre half, right side attack to create and score goals, as a minimum.


10.) 24 Jul 2018 06:44:00
Every single manager without exception missed out on at least one transfer target last summer.

It has probably happened to Mourinho every season at every club he has worked at.

Ed002 has said Mourinho doesn't want to be at our club, and that it has little to do with his professional life and more to do with his personal life. That suggests the club aren't doing a lot wrong in Mourinho's eyes.

If he's kicking up a stink it's because he has decided he wants out and is just trying to engineer it. He missed his daughters graduation to be on the preseason tour. From what Ed002 has said that is more likely to have caused Jose's bad mood than a lack of transfers.

6 years ago I would have agreed with you about a lack of investment from the owners. Personally I still think they are investing poorly on quick fixes rather than a long term plan.

However, Jose has spent over 400m so far. A figure matched/ beaten only by Pep at city. So I don't think Jose has a right to claim the owners haven't backed him.

It is not the fault of the money men that the targets Jose wanted haven't worked out. Mkhitaryan already sold. 65m spent on Bailly and Lindelof and yet Jose wants another CB because he isn't happy with the ones he bought. Club record fee on Pogba and now touting him around Europe as again Jose isn't happy with him. Zlatan was only ever a short term fix, yet the club agreed to extend his stay while injured on Jose's say so. Jose then played him 4/ 5 times before he left. He was on a crazy contact by all accounts, so I can't see the club being too happy at extending his contract for him to play less minutes than Scott McTominay.
Sanchez is another who was signed and as yet has not proven his worth.

Then there is the 70m+ worth of young talent in Martial and Shaw which Mourinho shows little interest in developing.

Mourinho has been gloomy and miserable since day one and we can't blame that on the owners. Red man I know your a big Jose fanboy, but it appears I may have been right when I said hiring Jose will end in tears. He just isn't the right fit. I know he has the ego and the drive to win like Sir Alex, but Sir Alex had so much more. It's like taking two ingredients out of your favourite meal and slapping them in something else, it won't be the same as your favourite meal. I love a Sunday roast, and roast potatoes and beef make the meal, however, they would be awful in a trifle, or in my corn flakes.

Sir Alex was the perfect man manager, knowing how to change tact to get a tune out of everyone. With Jose it's his way or the highway.

And so far it looks like it's the highway for around 150-200m worth of our players the most of that players Jose himself has bought. So I could see why the owners might be a little more concerned about trusting Jose's judgement on players this summer.


11.) 24 Jul 2018 07:34:07
Top post Shappy, we’ve spent a lot, some of it badly, bought who the Manager wanted, and he doesn’t play them or wants them gone. It’s the Board’s fault, go figure.


12.) 24 Jul 2018 07:42:54
Shappy

One point I can tell you from your post is very wrong, I am not a Jose “fanboy”, and I have posted who I wanted as manager many times, but why let the truth get in the way of your anti Jose position. When Bailly was playing well Jose got no credit and it was a club decision to buy, now it’s his fault we spent money on him. Pep bought and sold and their club supported him, do we support our own in the same way? Apart from Matic do we really know how many were Jose first choice signings? He needed many positions changing but did he have the budget after years of underfunding? He may have approved some but that doesn’t mean they were his first choice. If you look back at our transfer activity the dip in buying started when the club changed owners, buoyed by the longevity of what was already there and SAF we kept going, the dip started when Ron left and years of underfunding has come home to roost. Looks like we are watching the same dance again this summer.


13.) 24 Jul 2018 08:08:36
Red man, you've always been a huge fan of Jose. Since the mid 00's you have said he would be the perfect replacement for Sir Alex. You said when we hired Moyes that it should have been Jose. Under LvG you said we should have hired Jose. So under our last three managers before hiring Jose you have stated Jose should be our manager. In my books that makes you a bit of a fanboy.

You say the spending has dried up under the current ownership. Yet the the club has broken it's transfer record as many times since Sir Alex has retired as we did under him. We've broken the world record transfer fee and the world record fee paid for a teenager in the last 4 seasons.

Has Jose been backed? Yes, 400m in a shade over two years in charge is certainly some backing.

Your excuse of whether they were Jose's first choice is laughable. Bailly wasn't his first choice, and is probably one of his best signings. He wanted Perisic and got Sanchez a player many of us believe is better than his first choice. Zlatan, Matic, Lukaku were definitely his first choice. Pogba was a player he was interested in at Chelsea. Lindelof was another he wanted after leaning heavily on advice from people he trusts in Portugal.

Regardless of whether they are his first choice, second choice or third choice. They are players he wanted and he got them. So he can have no complaints. No manager gets all the players they want, but they don't for the most part throw their toys out the pram like a petulant child. Especially when only one manager in the history of world football has spent more money than you in such a short space of time.

Jose has been well backed, now he has to deliver. So far this preseason he seems to be getting his excuses in early. I suspect another Jose third season implosion.


14.) 24 Jul 2018 08:27:36
Shappy

Incorrect, yet again. I wanted Jose to replace SAF because it needed someone with stature. I wanted Klopp to replace Moyes and then wanted Pep to replace LvG. It was all written on here, only when Pep declared for City did I suggest Jose. If you get that so wrong when I have repeated it many times what else do you get wrong?


15.) 24 Jul 2018 12:48:45
If the board don't trust Jose, why give him a contract extension. Also if Jose is that unhappy why sign it? Just extra post melt down compo?

{Ed002's Note - The club wants consistecy - Mourinho will be more than happy to take the money. The fans did the damage a couple of years ago and are entirely responsible for where the club is now.}


16.) 24 Jul 2018 15:18:22
Ed 002 - LVG and his awful football had nothing to do with it?

{Ed002's Note - No.}


17.) 24 Jul 2018 18:05:52
Shappy on the money.


18.) 25 Jul 2018 11:26:42
Here we go again. Fans fault. Let’s just remove them from football completely. Ruining it.


19.) 26 Jul 2018 11:20:22
Ed do you mind explaining why the fans are at fault?

{Ed002's Note - The toxics forced the club to change their agreed plan because they are far from bright.}


20.) 26 Jul 2018 12:17:33
The agreed plan being to let Van Gaal see out his project?

{Ed002's Note - And then to be replaced by Max Allegri.}


 

 

17 Jul 2018 09:28:49
No idea how true it is but am led to believe that Woodward is struggling on recruitment (perhaps Glazernomics, perhaps being led up dead ends) and the Manager is not happy with the situation. The next few weeks will be interesting.

Red Man

1.) 17 Jul 2018 09:36:47
If Mourinho is going to be that unhappy with the situation i hope both parties come to some sort of mutual termination before the season starts.

Better that than mourinho sulking for the first half in the season and the club has to end up sacking him.


2.) 17 Jul 2018 12:12:59
or maybe its the fact that this is not football manager and it takes time to complete a transfer.

the panic is already starting to creep in.


3.) 17 Jul 2018 12:56:27
If Jose was an adaptable, modest and inspiring manager he would realise that our squad is only 2 or 3 additions away from being up there with the very best.

However, his insistence on sticking with the only way of football he knows and picking fights with his players has left us with a needed squad overhaul in his eyes.


 

 

01 May 2017 09:31:34
I read this morning that Romero has bought a house in Milan. Obviously no idea if that is true or whether he is leaving but strange place to buy if you play in Manchester.

Red Man

1.) 01 May 2017 13:41:07
Holiday home/ investment property? Doubt he's short of a few quid.


2.) 01 May 2017 18:25:03
Linked with inter.


3.) 02 May 2017 08:23:11
Get the lad from Milan and send them a ready made replacement?


 

 

01 Apr 2017 12:59:16
Today I understand another young reserve (he is 20) has been added to the match day squad, Matthew Willock, in addition to Tuanzebe and TFM. This is down to injuries but also because we have released the older "blockers" in the squad. I hope all three get some time and show what they can do. Like Rashford last season, until they step onto the biggest stage in key matches (the pressure to win is now on), we won't know how they handle it.

Personally I have seen many youngsters debut at OT and there is a buzz of excitement when they step out. Good luck to Willock if he gets on and it will do wonders for the youth/ reserve set up to see progress. I hope young Gomes gets some time soon and possibly Gribben if they continue progress and are physically able.

Funny but today may need Fellaini especially against a West Brom team who can and like to score from dead balls.

Red Man

1.) 01 Apr 2017 17:53:35
Another draw at home, top four just seems out of reach at the moment, Its the old Man Utd way, when teams above us drop points so do we. But the most frustrating thing for me is Micki taken off again and martial and lingard left on.
Hope Jose has a plan for next season regarding strikers, it's plain to see if Zlatan don't score, nor does anyone else. Looks like another season of frustration and missed chances.


 

 

25 Oct 2014 06:38:03
Interesting That the Valdes rumour had been around a while.

13 Aug 2014
Despite being injured I did read a while ago that we had interest in Victor Valdes as competition for De Gea, following Valdes injury lay off but not heard much in a while. Not sure whether Valdes has found a club as yet. I also read that De Gea's girlfriend was encouraging him to move back to Spain and whilst there has been no suggestion he would, a good number 2 could be important

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15 Sep 2018 20:07:25
I have asked a few times on here about what our owners aims are for our football club. We have been met only with silence.

Compare this to City's owner. Sheikh Mansour, who addressed their fans in their match programme today. I am not going to give them much air time on here, yet City's owner reflected on the past ten years and what is planned for the next ten. He communicated, connected, made the fans aware of his aims so they are all in it together on the journey. It's good leadership, it means one club connected together, yet our owners and Executive VP say nothing, do not connect all aspects of the club. The differences between City's owners and ours were highlighted today.

Red Man

1.) 15 Sep 2018 23:35:53
RedMan, not sure who didagreed with you, but that's spot on. Our owners can only connect with making money. They have no soul and no heart.


2.) 16 Sep 2018 00:25:32
City for how much they try with their millions can never be like Manchester United. It will take years of blood and sweat to be like us.


3.) 16 Sep 2018 00:38:47
Difference is simple.

1 is to make money and the other is because it’s his hobby. Crazy really.


4.) 16 Sep 2018 08:17:53
Redman, that's great for everyone who likes to hear from those involved with state sponsored slavery. I prefer not to have that kind of connection.

I'd prefer the Deputy Prime Minister of the UAE (Mansour) tell me what he plans to do to abolish slavery in his country rather than his public relations plans with a football club.


5.) 16 Sep 2018 09:34:45
Great post Manc.


6.) 16 Sep 2018 12:10:11
Just so we don't lose sight of it, the initial investment in Man City and the accumulated losses since then, are maybe 1/ 2 of the value of the club in today's market and 10x what they paid for it. They continue to grow their brand internationally and they're doing a great job of it. I was in a cheese shop in Connecticut the other day and met a man from Huddersfield. What shirt was his 12 year old son wearing? Man City. Why? Because kids who are not connected to a town through birth, and can thus choose any team, tend to associate themselves with winners. Kids who watch the Spanish league don't tend to follow Getafe.

I don't think one should assume that Sheik Mansour is not motivated by the money. Far from it. This has been a well executed long term business plan facilitated by an absence of external debt allowing the focus to be on the core product, football. At the rate they're going the brand will be as valuable as United within the next 10 years.


7.) 16 Sep 2018 16:46:58
Yes, Shawthing, exactly as you say, City’s owners seem extremely smart, dynamic, with clear aims, one of which will be to grow the asset value. Their brand will also grow significantly when they win their first Champions League, which they will. They have a plan and connect the whole business as one by showing good leadership and communication. When they win their third Champions League in the next 10 years we will likely still be on 3, reminiscing on 99 or 08. Why? Because our owners do not appear to have the same aims, don’t connect with the fan base, do not communicate and do not invest in the infrastructure of the club. When City become Champions of Europe we won’t be considering alleged political situations in the UAE, which have nothing to do with football, we will be weeping about what was, what should have been and how we allowed others to take over our football mantle, how we sat back and allowed ourselves to be overtaken on the field and as a club. No one will be making political comment. City’s owners have clear direction as do Liverpool’s, so unless our owners and Executive VP CEO or whatever fancy title, get their act together and show leadership, communicate better, invest in the business, the nightmare scenario is out there, City Champs of Europe and Liverpool Champs of England, likely with regularity.

There are some who seem to think the Glazers are good yet just can’t see the bigger picture. This situation has been building for years. Can you imagine Real Madrid sitting back glorying a new financial partner as the Transfer Window was closing, whilst watching Athletico Madrid and Valencia not just finish higher in the league occasionally (which can happen) but to become more successful generally and more renowned. Matching Real Madrid should be our club level, our aim, not being partners of premier noodle brands.

What goes on on the pitch should be the focal point, a result of the whole plan. Years of letting SAF get on with it, left us weak, lacking leadership when he left, but, of course, the money kept rolling in. Too many fans just cannot see the problem, yet the problem is no longer in the rear view mirror, it has pulled alongside and threatening to overtake us. Don’t worry another partner will sign up for a few million quid to provide something irrelevant, yet there will very soon become a time when City overtake us there as well. I heard they recently took on significant staff in their commercial department, maybe the next investment noodle partners will prefer them than us. We seem stuck in a time warp, so it is relevant to ask, at what point do we become the noisy neighbour? The only way to change this, is if our owners up their game very significantly, yet we will likely not know because there is no communication. They could start communicating by putting “Football Club” back on the badge, but I won’t hold my breath.


8.) 16 Sep 2018 18:59:33
Agree with your points about the Glazers Redman. They are only interested in taking money OUT of the club. However, City have been supported by £1.5billion over the period of Abu Dhabi ownership for one reason - the extension of Abu Dhabi soft power. They have bought several football clubs and museums etc. throughout the world. However, this is an attempt to hide the disgusting, misogynistic, and barbaric regime at home.


9.) 16 Sep 2018 21:15:27
I can go along with you but only so far redman . You have a clear dislike of the glazers and I can understand why .
The problem is you credit them for 3 champions leagues you think they may win, they have won none, not made a final even . They may well win it soon but Paris backed by their own rich owners, Barcelona, real, ourselves, bayern and a host of others may have a say in the matter, our infrastructure provides local lads in the side how many are in cities, do they have a larger stadium or a bigger fan base .
Our 3 most expensive players all cost most than cities most expensive player, which to me means we could have had any 3 or 4 you want from cities team if we had spent differently . City should have a better squad they have spent more but the players they took were available to us we just chose a different route .
We are one of the world's biggest clubs but so is our wage bill and our transfer outlay, city getting recruitment better than us duznt mean we didn't try it just means they did it better.
Having owners with a dubious human rights record may sit ok with some aslong as the team is successful but it duznt sit rite with everyone .


10.) 16 Sep 2018 21:39:16
Football really isn't that important in the big scheme of things. Rather crass to suggest people are more worried about City winning a European Cup, than state-sponsored human rights abuses. They could win the next ten, and it still wouldn't compare.


 

 

29 Aug 2018 21:16:13
I have been reading article after article and don't think I can recall a time when the press had their knives out as much as they do right now for any manager, not even the cold Trafford headline about Sexton. SAF banned a few and could receive some caustic comments, yet never have I seen such hysteria from members of the press against a manager. No, Jose doesn't help himself sometimes but it feels like a clear agenda to bring Mourinho down to size or to push him to the sack. You know I stand by the manager but put that aside and see what is going on for yourself. It is concerted daily attacks from all angles and becoming increasingly frenzied like a shark attack.

Right now, the press are not reporting but seem to be looking for every angle against our manager. Imagine the frenzy if the press get their way, loads of we told you so articles every day, before building up the new manager before enjoying knocking him down as well. Plenty of column inches.

We need to show a United front, stand by Mourinho right now in his time of adversity and stand against the press feeding frenzy. It is not the right time to sack him, we can't let the press set Manchester United's agenda.

Red Man

1.) 29 Aug 2018 21:34:15
England managers have got worse in the past .
Moyes probably got worse
Goes with job, build you up when you do well knock you down when you don't.


2.) 29 Aug 2018 21:55:26
No Jred, I have never seen anything like the nonsense that is going on, England managers and Moyes included.


3.) 29 Aug 2018 21:58:03
Good post redman back the manager, can I just confirm with you that you felt the same with the last two and it's not just a personal preference thing where depends if you like them personally or not. Fair play tho if you give them all the same support .


4.) 29 Aug 2018 22:14:23
Slate

I did not back Moyes because it was, as proven, a terrible error and nothing to do with a personal preference, it was a judgement because it was clear he just wasn’t the right level based upon his cv.


5.) 29 Aug 2018 22:19:41
So no united front and stand by the manager in a time of adversity for him then .
I get what you mean about our manager now tho mate the time to judge where we stand is at the end of the season.


6.) 29 Aug 2018 23:38:43
I didn’t want Moyes, Van Gaal, or Mourinho but I’ve supported all 3 as it’s a hard enough job as it is.


7.) 30 Aug 2018 00:01:06
I think José will be ok. He's big enough and ugly enough to deal with the media. He's played the game with them for years, and now they smell blood. Only himself to blame, the way he's carried on with them over the years. I don't see why we have to suddenly all get behind him, just because the papers are spouting their usual rubbish. Just another smokescreen to cover up what's happening on the pitch.

And I wonder if he'd have appreciated our loyalty and support when he was batting his eyelids at PSG. I hope he can be successful with us, because I want my club to be successful, not because the big scary media are being nasty to him. I really couldn't care less about him as an individual.

If only we had got behind all our managers, especially those who needed it more than a man who really doesn't want to be here.


8.) 30 Aug 2018 07:36:06
Red Man don't forget Jose doesn't waste any opportunity kicking he's fellow managers or getting personal when they're at worst/ down. Can't see a lot of fans around the world including most of Utd fans having any sympathy for him.


9.) 30 Aug 2018 08:06:18
Most of the main stream journalists are useless in this country.

How many of them have coached, managed, played? Been a part of running a football club or an elite level at some point.

Any of them?

I heard a great line this morning. They only know what someone else has told them.

{Ed001's Note - not sure how being a coach, manager or player means you would have knowledge over someone who should have spent their entire time studying the same game? Far be it from me to defend main stream journalists, as most are terrible, but none of your digs at them have any relevance.}


10.) 30 Aug 2018 08:33:24
Angel - couldn't you sum up the knowledge of the people on this forum the same. Nearly everything that is "quoted" on here is what someone has heard or read, yet people are not frightened to write some pretty damming posts on the players / managers and this is a United forum.
Funny how we should close ranks around Jose yet Moyes and LVG were fair game for being slaughtered by their own supporters, let alone the press.


11.) 30 Aug 2018 08:49:57
Ed. I just think the majority of this country's main stream journalists write something as it's fact when in actual fact the majority of what they write is opinion based. Many of them talk as if they have a deep and meaningful understanding of the game when in actual fact they do not.

The majority seem to think they know more about a game that people like Jose, klopp, pep etc do who have spent the majority of their lives playing and coaching at a very high level.

I am all for good strong investagitive journalism no matter what level of the sport they found themselves at if any. What I don't like is poor journalists claiming to have greater knowledge, writing as fact instead of opinion when they have no real understanding of the game at any level. Just people who probably did quite well at English GCSE level and college :)

Keanooh, yes, but I ain't writing for a newspaper that sells over a million a day or whatever.

{Ed001's Note - now that I agree with you completely about. That is why I included the word 'should'.}


12.) 30 Aug 2018 09:24:21
Angel - my post isn't aimed at you specifically, I just find it odd that the press are criticised on here yet some of the posts are far more critical. We have previously seen a player described as a cancer within the club, I've not seen anything at that level in the press.
Even though the views of the supporters doesn't sell a million papers, it was enough for the club to change their whole managerial plans because of the toxic fans.


13.) 30 Aug 2018 09:32:45
Got to be honest the back the manager line really is a personnel preference and didn't apply to our previous managers . Redman as you said at the time and since, you wanted moyes out before a ball had been kicked.
England managers also get a lot of stick . Sam got done in a sting, his own greedy fault but the press went to great lengths to get him .
They made sure hoddle and venebles job was untenable .
Turnip head Taylor on the front page .
The wally with the brolly.
Goes with the job .
Jose been in the business long enough now to handle it, although I'm not sure his outburst the other night helped the situation.


14.) 30 Aug 2018 10:19:38
I should have clarified in my original post ed.

I know some of the best journalists never had at hand experience within the sports that write about. I get that can't always be the case, in fact, her seldom. I just don't like journalists, very poor ones at that, preaching as if what they say is fact when in most cases they hear it third or fourth hand. It makes for extremely poor reading.

I love when you get someone who has played at a very high level and someone who also has a great grasp of english/ journalism.

I find you get those types of Journalists in rugby.

While in football you have people who write wishing they had been at that level, somewhat envious.

{Ed001's Note - I understand that, I find personally that most of them are over educated and so they all seem to use the same format and talk the same bull. The best journalists have life experience which gives them a different viewpoint.}


15.) 30 Aug 2018 11:37:12
Bottom line though on all this is that Jose is a winner. Love him or hate him, he is our manager and has a decorated history. Quite frankly, who else do we turn to. The club ought to back him and his plans or get him out and appoint someone new. He should have got the job when Sir Alex left.


16.) 30 Aug 2018 10:38:16
Are there any that you would suggest following? I find it tough, I think I find one and then their next article will be complete bull wrapped up in good execution.

{Ed001's Note - to be honest I don't really have time for them. I tend to read older articles these days in the main, doing research for the articles I write.}


17.) 30 Aug 2018 11:00:08
And yet some of the the pundits that have played at the highest level have some strange views .


18.) 30 Aug 2018 12:08:36
Remember how we all used to laugh at Keegan and Rafa, for losing it on tv? This was just as toe-curling. He'd just lost 3-0 at home to a rival. Of course he should be questioned about it. And let's face it, most of the journos at these conferences, tiptoe round him and others for fear of losing access. He hardly gets a Paxman-style grilling.


19.) 30 Aug 2018 12:33:24
The problem is Red Man, is you come across very disingenuous when you say we are "United" and should show a "United front" and back the manager when you yourself have stated you didn't back the appointment of a previous manager and you didn't yourself show a "United front" with Moyes.

It boils down to personal preference. You like Jose and therefore you are prepared to back him and you want all the fans to do the same regardless of whether they like Jose or not. Even though you yourself weren't prepared to do the same with Moyes. At best its a little shortsighted, at worst, its stinking hypocrisy.

I get what your trying to do, but doing it this way is a tough sell. Unfortunately your previous comments work against you here, as have mine worked against me previously. It comes with being a long term prolific poster. We all say silly things from time to time and you can bet your bottom dollar when the time is right jred will point out your past follies. Then Ken will disagree with him on principle and then before you know it we'll all be discussing whether Rooney is a genuine legend or a tragic miss-use of talent gone to waste.

Then repeat ad nauseam.


20.) 30 Aug 2018 12:53:02
Shappy 🤣🤣🤣 I do agree with the hypocrisy part, it does stick in my throat if I'm honest.


21.) 30 Aug 2018 13:27:02
slate just imagine if the press did the same to fergie when he started this on jose now is just a which hunt they the press should be lined up against a wall.


22.) 30 Aug 2018 13:36:04
Dazw
The press did with fergy the difference was there wasn't the social media, internet, 24 hour tv coverage .


23.) 30 Aug 2018 14:42:41
I don't really know much about the media daz, I'd hope any manager would be backed or sacked based on performance unless some sort of MIS conduct was involved .
I don't doubt though media's ability to influence people's opinions .
Fergie did come under pressure in his early years at utd but got through it and the rest was gravy .
Redman above explained clearly why he didn't back Moyes and how he formed his opinion, I agreed with it but it duznt change the fact it was just his opinion and other people may have wished for longer for Moyes and formed a different opinion . So posting a Churchillian speech to back the man utd manager only applied if he liked the manager and if Moyes returned tomorrow then his views would be very different . it's not meant as a potshot at redman it applies to lots of us me included . For the record I back jm as utd manager as the last two seasons he deserves it . As for this season it's too early to say anything as we wouldn't call a marathon race after a hundred metres.


24.) 30 Aug 2018 14:43:56
Dazw, they did. Fergie just barred them. Take a look at some of his previous vids and his discussions with media. They rarely crossed him and if they did, they'd know about it.


25.) 30 Aug 2018 14:42:46
Ah okay ed. That's fair enough. I don't really read many journalist views anymore of a footballing nature. I do love some of the rugby guys, those who can articulate their points very well whom also would have first hand knowledge of situations.

That's a problem with a lot of the TV pundits. They aren't exactly the brightest and some of their views come across quite daft.

Good post again shappy. Some are worse than others though and then they get their underwear all tied up 🤣.

{Ed001's Note - pundits are usually ex-pros, when you said that they would have more knowledge. I have known many footballers, but very few have any knowledge of the game, sadly. It seems different on the continent, especially Eastern Europe, their footballers seem to be much better educated as a rule.}


26.) 30 Aug 2018 14:54:09
Sorry keanooh, agree with you 100% pal.


27.) 30 Aug 2018 15:23:50
Noucamp has got it spot on. I've said before that Mourinho plays the media and they'll dig their knives in as soon as they see an opportunity. Why not? If you give it, then you have to be prepared to take it.
I repeat, Mourinho comes across as quite thick when dealing with the press. He can't handle their questions in a professional and clever manner, so he ends up spouting the endless drivel we hear from him. He's an embarrassment to our club to be honest. The sooner he bogs off the better.


28.) 30 Aug 2018 21:22:52
Shappy

I was very clear about Moyes before he was appointed, that is not disingenuous, that is recognising it was the wrong choice before it happened based on my experience of United managers for 50 years and maintaining that position, I didn’t change my position on him one bit. That is not hypocritical.

You say it boils down to personal preference and “You like Jose”. The number of times I have to keep repeating this to you is frightening, doesn’t it sink in? I wanted Pep as a transition from LvG. I don’t particularly like Jose, I respect him and his achievements and he was the only real choice at the time after LvG was dismissed. Right now I am defending our manager not because he is my personal preference but because he and our club is under attack from a press who want a bigger crisis to write about.

I supported LvG on here even when it became toxic and was accused of liking him too (I wanted Klopp) I also supported SAF in the early years. Jred pointing out my “follies”, don’t make me laugh.


29.) 30 Aug 2018 22:20:21
I just can't understand how you can't give your support to the manager of our club, before a ball is even kicked. Surely you would get behind him, until it was clear things weren't working out. Especially, with the job that Moyes had stepping into Fergie's shoes. Of all our managers since Fergie, he needed the fans' backing more than any. I can't think of a more important time to give a manager our support.

I didn't want any of the last three as my first choice, but in order to present a 'united front', I'd back them until it became obvious it wasn't working. To say you wouldn't be back near OT while he was in charge, was hardly showing a 'united front'.

As for 'I supported LVG on here even when it became toxic', I seem to remember you did a volte-face pretty sharpish when it became clear he was out of his depth, then put up a long post the next day about why you were withdrawing your support. You can gloss it up all you want, and try to justify it to yourself, but it's hypocrisy pure and simple. The preachy sermons about supporting the manager are just sounding like white noise as a result.

And the whole blaming the press thing is getting really tired, now. José had it coming for years. It's not a concerted attack by the press on our club, it's personal payback for the way he's got on with the media for years. Like I said before, he's a big boy. He can suck it up.


30.) 31 Aug 2018 06:47:41
Noucamp

Why should I have got behind Moyes, I said before appointment it was a disaster and it was obviously a terrible error. I knew the impact it would have on the club and in 50 years only relegation was a bigger kick in the teeth than the club appointing Moyes. I stand absolutely behind everything I did and said about him. We have been through this dance before when you posted as steviek, before you were banned.

As for LvG, there became a time when it was untenable and there comes a point when it is no longer possible to support what the manager is doing. Having been down this road before, bar Moyes I support our manager far far longer than the vast majority who call for their head. My love is the club not the manager, always will be even when Busby for the couple of years I remembered, the Doc and SAF was in charge.


31.) 31 Aug 2018 07:36:52
Can you honestly not see the hypocrisy.


32.) 31 Aug 2018 08:23:42
So you withdraw your support for the club arbitrarily, depending on who the manager is?


33.) 31 Aug 2018 12:44:07
Stevie

I have never ever withdrawn my support for the club, ever. I was there through relegation so don’t try to score cheap points. Yes I gave up my season ticket when Moyes was appointed but obviously you aren’t clever enough to realise there might be other reasons as well as Moyes why I had to do so and I don’t have to explain those to you. Those reasons are why I don’t have a season ticket now even though my supposed beloved Mourinho is in charge.


34.) 31 Aug 2018 21:31:45
That's fine. But you explicitly stated at the time it was because of Moyes. You made quite a big issue about it. If you come out with comments like that, then don't expect people to rally round one of your support the manager lectures.

Also, for someone who wants to present a United front amongst fans, you seem to enjoy trying to belittle the genuine views of posters who have legitimate concerns about our manager. You're always trying to drive a wedge between the two with snarky comments about those posters.

As for cheap shots, what had me getting banned have to do with this discussion? It was a disagreement with Ed002, not you.


 

 

20 Aug 2018 21:28:17
Gary Neville makes some very good points, basically having given a contract extension to the manager, Woodward had to back him in the transfer market with what he asked for. I have read that Woodward was briefing people privately that HE didn't think United needed anyone else, that HE didn't think anything out there was better than what we already had. Read that again and think it through, the Finance man would be dictating the transfer strategy of the club. Back when SAF retired Woodward made the famous no need for re-tooling of the team and that was patently wrong.

We need Woodward put back in charge of numbers, that is what should be the focus, immediately.

People are calling for a Director of Football, yet will he report to Woodward? If so that would be another error. If we get one he should not report to Woodward or we are in the same position as now, he needs to report to the owners directly, only then can we be sure of who is really calling the tune and have clarity or purpose, leave Woodward to bean counting.

Red Man

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any such statements or briefings from EW and if true he will lose his job immediately the club find out.}


1.) 20 Aug 2018 21:44:30
Sounds rubbish to me were did you read that.


2.) 20 Aug 2018 21:54:39
Even if it were true, I can't imagine the Glazer's being much more clued up on football matters than Ed.

{Ed002's Note - The Glazer's? I think you are missing a major point here.}


3.) 20 Aug 2018 22:08:16
I read it in Red Issue

My main point is where a DoF would report to and for me it should be direct to the board at the same level as Woodward which would put Football and Finance on the same level.

{Ed002's Note - Sounds like speculation - if it is true, he is dead meat anyway.}


4.) 20 Aug 2018 22:19:34
Sounds a stretch to me.


5.) 20 Aug 2018 22:21:06
I saw today they are looking at a technical director rather than a DOF.

Basically a middleman because Jose and Woodward don't get along.


6.) 20 Aug 2018 22:54:21
Ed002, it was in reference to Red Man stating that any prospective DoF should report directly to them, rather than Ed. I just fail to see how that would be any better, when I'm guessing the Glazers' knowledge of the worth (not financial) of prospective signings, especially compared to an experienced football manager, wouldn't be that much better than Woodward's. If at all.

{Ed002's Note - Interesting that you are all getting wraooed up about the organisation chart. The post was in reference to something that will lead to getting EW fired. If it is true he is gone.}


7.) 20 Aug 2018 23:17:43
Red Man - What happened this summer is frightening . You simply can't finish 19 points behind the leaders and believe that major investment ISN'T needed in the squad. If that doesn't tell you about the ambition of our Club I don't know what does.

Yesterday shouldn't have come as any surprise it's exactly what happened last season with this bunch of players. Why we didn't strengthen is open to conjecture but the reality is we didn't therefore how can we realistically expect anything to change!

We've been told players were available but none arrived. If Woodward doesn't trust the managers judgement then he should be sacked. How can the Club progress on that basis? The problem being he offered him a new contract 6 months ago. Does any of this even make sense and have we been given any reasonable explanation as to why we failed to sign any other players despite the manager seemingly begging for reinforcements. Just listen to Carragher and Neville on MNF for some sense because you won't get any from Ed Woodward.


8.) 20 Aug 2018 23:35:52
No idea if it's true or not, Ed002, which is why I don't comment on it. I try to ignore the gossip that comes out about us in the various media outlets. Too many of our fans seem to be obsessed with what's being said about us. If it happens, I'll take notice then.


9.) 21 Aug 2018 02:10:39
DLIB

I think the summer was a mess and even said at one point if they don’t trust him then sack him, do the decent thing. Perhaps admitting they got it wrong again was too much or perhaps would have cost too much.

Neville is right, how could they give him a new contract and not support him. I thought they should have supported him, we should all be able to see our shortcomings and just amazed the club is sat in this utter mess yet again.

It is just speculation and rumour about Woodward but that is what the site is about. We don’t know what Woodward has informed the owners about why we failed to invest in summer but something seemed to make him sit so uncomfortably at the game to the point where Neville criticised him. How many times has a CEO been criticised for his demeanour? I can’t remember it. There are many questions about this summer, much speculation and Woodward should come out and tell us what is going on, but I doubt he will.


10.) 21 Aug 2018 09:30:24
How often dies a CEO get the blame when a team isn't playing well?
Bit of a distraction away from the manager.


11.) 21 Aug 2018 08:28:17
Ed002,
You mentioned EW would be fired if this was true and it got out.
And you mentioned not by the Glazers.
Who has the power to fire him?
Isn’t half the board comprised of Glazers?

Thanks a lot.

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to getr in to explaining the structure of the business.}


12.) 21 Aug 2018 10:11:22
The metaphor GN uses of ‘if you’re going to build a house, then you need to finish it’ rings true with me here. When the club decided to get JM on board they knew what they were doing, especially given how the previous few years turned out. I’m not saying I do or don’t want JM as our manager or whether I’m happy or not with his appointment and continued position but as a club we have got to stop cutting the projects short on our managers. We didn’t do it for over 25 years previously.

JM wanted CBs, why didn’t he get them, that’s the Q that needs answering in my opinion and if the blame can be attached to someone within the club then they need to be held accountable. I’m actually worried that JM will be gone by Xmas (words I never thought would spring to mind) and we’ll hit the reset button AGAIN.


13.) 21 Aug 2018 10:56:26
King
Who are the best 5 teams in the world . How often do they change there managers .
Why is it such a big deal.


14.) 21 Aug 2018 11:33:23
King, I think the days of Wenger and Sir Alex, for better or worse, are gone mate.


15.) 21 Aug 2018 12:43:36
Hi guys, thanks for the replies.
It’s a big deal because it’s a big deal - I’m not bothered about what’s going on over the fence. My main issue is that we are constantly hitting the reset button because of a failure to fully support a manager. The latest laughable bit of media from MR is embarrassing and a lot will be learnt about Pogba, the managers future, the clubs short term future based on how the club, Pogba and manager respond to this. I’ve accepted that some traditions are now lost but I point the main finger at EW for our recent instability. If anyone should leave affiliation with our club over the next week it should be Pogba’s agent and him.


 

 

09 Aug 2018 19:53:21
The window closed, the board declared their ambition for the football side of the business and also showed their real acumen with a new sponsor this week. Maybe they have John Terry lined up to ride to our rescue as a contractless free agent.

As to the window, to make it effective shut it even earlier and extend the deadline to buy or renew Season Tickets until after the transfer window closes, that might make the board do something.

The good news is the expectation, almost a free pass, which will now be very low, City and Scouse to take the big prizes, backs against the wall, circle the wagons. Now will Jose take it and stay or will he walk away. The board probably think he won't walk as he would lose his pay off and show everyone is right about the third season scenario. Big decision because those hollering for a fancy manager might well get a big bite of reality.

Now with the free pass, will José try to do the best with the established players or mix it and give the young players time, give Chong, Garner, Greenwood and Gomes a chance. If it goes wrong the pressure will and should now be on Woodward and the Glazers. I hope we see youngsters from tomorrow, stuff the owners now, finish10th if needed and give the kids a go. We cannot put full blame on the manager after this window, he needs to make use of that.

Red Man

1.) 09 Aug 2018 20:45:02
There's no free pass to be tenth redman you wouldn't tolerate Moyes being tenth . The team were runners up last year and have added a brazillian international, Jose will be able to make an argument why catching city and Liverpool will be difficult through lack of player investment but spurs added nobody and I'd have our squad over arsenal's every day . Jose may be underwhelmed at our recruiting but he's paid well for his skill and expertise he's not exactly going into battle unarmed . Young players should play when they deserve to and not to make a point .


2.) 09 Aug 2018 21:37:03
I’d also argue we have added Sanchez as he was pretty crap last year. He looks refreshed and could be like a brand new signing.


3.) 09 Aug 2018 22:09:01
It could be a difficult season, hard to watch our two main rivals have a far better approach than ours. Perhaps 10th was too lenient, that I agree, but are Manchester United about playing for 3rd? Is that what it’s come too? I think 3rd is probably where we will end up. Will top players come to us in future if that is the extent of our ambition?

I think we over performed last season to get second but it was time to invest heavily this summer and the owners didn’t, despite pleas from the manager. It is inexcusable unless the financial bottom falls out of the football market.


4.) 09 Aug 2018 22:50:41
RedMan, i agree entirely on giving our young players a chance. I would rather see them playing with passion than pogba and martial going through the motions because they don't feel our club is worthy of them. We are NOT winning the PL this year, so might as well play one or two younger players and give them experience.


 

 

09 Aug 2018 08:10:17
It is not often I ask a question of the Ed's but when ...........

Red Man

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08 Aug 2018 21:04:25
Shappy

The Captain of any ship would only take the boat in the direction set by the owners of the ship. We should look above the manager and judge what direction the ship is being directed in. Looks like a trip round the Baltic rather than a luxury Caribbean cruise.

Red Man

 

 

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24 Jul 2018 08:27:36
Shappy

Incorrect, yet again. I wanted Jose to replace SAF because it needed someone with stature. I wanted Klopp to replace Moyes and then wanted Pep to replace LvG. It was all written on here, only when Pep declared for City did I suggest Jose. If you get that so wrong when I have repeated it many times what else do you get wrong?

Red Man

 

 

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24 Jul 2018 07:42:54
Shappy

One point I can tell you from your post is very wrong, I am not a Jose “fanboy”, and I have posted who I wanted as manager many times, but why let the truth get in the way of your anti Jose position. When Bailly was playing well Jose got no credit and it was a club decision to buy, now it’s his fault we spent money on him. Pep bought and sold and their club supported him, do we support our own in the same way? Apart from Matic do we really know how many were Jose first choice signings? He needed many positions changing but did he have the budget after years of underfunding? He may have approved some but that doesn’t mean they were his first choice. If you look back at our transfer activity the dip in buying started when the club changed owners, buoyed by the longevity of what was already there and SAF we kept going, the dip started when Ron left and years of underfunding has come home to roost. Looks like we are watching the same dance again this summer.

Red Man

 

 

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24 Jul 2018 06:33:53
Jred

The problem? Fullback, centre half, right side attack to create and score goals, as a minimum.

Red Man

 

 

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23 Jul 2018 21:17:56
W16wes

Do we really know how many were Mourinho’s first choice? We know he did not get Perisic. There is a pattern from when the owners arrived and now the club owners need to realise this isn’t a transition from SAF to a new manager but from United to a new dynasty, either City or Liverpool and they are letting it happen on their watch. I have banged on about a plan for years whilst watching City when they were dismissed as noisy. The owners need to have a plan and be decisive, now, right now.

Red Man

 

 

 

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26 Sep 2018 06:29:50
Jred
It has to come from the owners through Woodward downwards and it doesn’t
In Mourinho’s position as Manager he is absolutely right on Pogba. The problem is far bigger than the manager it is from owners down.

Red Man

 

 

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25 Sep 2018 22:47:34
Ed0025
There is a big problem at the club but it has been there for years, the same stench pervaded Old Trafford in the early seventies. Change is needed from top down, it needs shaking up and the manager is trying to do that. Mourinho hasn’t been perfect but there is no way you put a player above a manager. If the club chose a player over a manager it undermines the managers position, they undermined the manager in summer and if they do it again over Pogba the manager will or should quite rightly walk away. Am off to bed as up for work early but the principle has to stand or a lot more will break down.

Red Man

{Ed025's Note - i get that red man but the manager has to set a president mate, as you say the club is rotten to the core and it needs more than just a new manager..


 

 

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25 Sep 2018 22:30:44
Willgreen

If you think it is ok for team members to talk out against a manager it just shows a lack of understanding at how the dynamics of management works.

Red Man

{Ed025's Note - it has to work both ways though red man, jose trashing his players in public is also wrong, "something is rotten in the state of denmark" mate..as the bard would say..


 

 

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25 Sep 2018 07:00:07
Sounds to me like Pogba wants things done his way, how he sees them or it is part of his agitating to get out. There is a huge difference between the manager commenting and a player. Pogba is a player and needs to do what he is told by the manager, end of. Frankly, he needs to keep his mouth shut and start performing to the standard he is paid for. Pogba is a player who was softly dispossessed leading to the Wolves goal so is in no position to mouth off about anything, actually he should be apologising.

He needs to be fined and put back in his place but selected to play until he earns the respect and shows that he is the player he, in his head, thinks he is. He seems to have been selective when he puts the effort in and that needs to change. You play football with your head and feet not your mouth.

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23 Sep 2018 22:22:43
AAA

What is the difference between Simeone and Mourinho? Simeone is backed 100% by their board, is in an almost unassailable position so what he says goes, the players know that. Our decision makers have tried to put that in place but don’t back it up. The image this summer is a divide between the exec VP/ owners and the manager.

Slate
The coach has not been completely unbacked, but his starting position was very much worse than Pep and City have unity of purpose. Chelsea had the league winning team from 12 months ago and Liverpool have invested heavily. It was not just a CB but a right sided attacker we needed, have for years. If the owners get rid of the manager now what state would the club be in? What are the present goings on saying about the club’s ambition?

Red Man