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23 Jun 2017 16:40:43
I see Maze has his knickers in a twist again. But he does raise an interesting point, do we lack pace?

Certainly we don't have an overabundance of exceptionally quick players, but few of our players are slouches either.

My view is the reason we didn't see many of our players running at pace at the opposition is due to how deep the opposition played. When teams camp deep in their own half the space is in front of them which severely limits the impact that pace can have. I think our problem was a lack of pace pre-se but a lack of width. This allowed the opposition full backs to stay narrow restricting the space in the opposition box and making it hard for us to find space to shoot. Also it didn't help that in spite of creating the third most chances in the league we had the 3rd worst conversion rate. Seriously our forwards couldn't finish a bag of chips last season.

Pace would be a good addition, but quality is what is needed above all else.

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23 Jun 2017 17:22:56
The ball moves quicker than the player .
All about tempo of play.

23 Jun 2017 17:32:05
Agreed jred.

I don't think that we were that bad last year. We just couldn't finish chances.

I really like perisic to be honest. No nonsense winger who beats the man and puts in the right ball. He'd be a very good addition.

However we need the players to put those chances away. Whoever our CF will be.

23 Jun 2017 11:12:37

Various reports in the media linking us with Bale to free up space/ provide cash for Madrid to buy Mbappe.



I hope it's bs. Bale is yesterday's man, too injury prone and getting on in years. Yes 28 is not old, but players who rely on pace tend to slow down with age.



If we are going to spend that sort of money I would be going for dembele from Dortmund. Much younger, much quicker and has frightening technical ability as well. Can play left wing, right wing or through the middle. He scores he creates and works hard. If we only sign 1 more player I would be over the moon if it was him.



Please Woody make it happen.

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23 Jun 2017 12:05:22

Huggy the posters on here have spoken United do not need a fast place winger. They already have Lingard and Valencia. When called upon they also have Bailly who is very quick. Please get that idea of a really quick winger out your head mate, thanks.

23 Jun 2017 12:10:48

Starting arguments again Maze?



TBH no one said we don't need a pacey players they was just stating we do have quick players as you where implying that we didn't have any.

23 Jun 2017 12:21:26

Who is starting an argument Dave? You look would find an argument in an empty box of chicken nuggets.



Dave my point was which of our wingers strike the fear into defenders and have the pace of a Mane or a Hazard or a Sanchez? None.

23 Jun 2017 12:55:09

Maze is a politician this week, fraud investigated including judge and jury, and now today purveyor of mind control and telling people what to think. That's a busy week. He doesn't answer questions to his posts like a politician, I can see a few similarities.

23 Jun 2017 13:00:15

Well the pace of hazard was none existant against us at ot.





We have wingers with pace maze. But pace isn't everything



How many times has Mata played on the wing and been the best player on the pitch.

23 Jun 2017 13:04:15

Rashford and martial are sooooo slow.

23 Jun 2017 13:07:25

Bale comes with injury concerns but that aside he is a top class player different level to dembele.

Madrid might let a couple if players leave I would be surprised if bale is one of them.

23 Jun 2017 13:16:42

I am talking about a player with pace, someone who can excite the fans, beat players and provide that something special hence why I mentioned Mane. It is very difficult to see how anyone, United fan or not, can dispute that fact.

23 Jun 2017 13:18:21

Supa who is telling folk what to think? Not me. As you can well and truly see everyone has opinions. What question do you want me to answer? If you want to ask a question then ask it rather than trolling.

23 Jun 2017 13:29:47

No joking. We do lack the direct winger, I do agree.



I thought perisic would have been a very astute signing for man utd. Quick, beats the first man and delivers.

23 Jun 2017 14:24:12
Tough lot to please if people against signing bale . Fit and on form would be best player in the league.

23 Jun 2017 14:29:49
Fully agree we need a fast winger and that is why the club is looking at one. Disagree that we needed to sign Salah because along with Mane Liverpool might be amazing and sneak 4th again.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs might be beneficial to you MAZE, obviously bored at the moment and on a wind up.

23 Jun 2017 14:46:58
GDS - I am the master of self actualisation. You on the other hand need to channel some true chi.

Again with the misquoting. You are getting very good at this. Who has said Salah is 'amazing' and 'we needed to sign him'. No one. Again you are living in the land of butterflies and unicorns sir.

23 Jun 2017 07:58:07

Not that I am fazed by the lack of transfer activity by Man Utd as we all know that the tediously boring transfer window drags on for a lifetime but I must admit I am a little alarmed looking at the squad at the moment.



My issue is the lack of pace in the team and the lads with pace that we do have seem to be in and out of Jose’s plans.



Our old mates Liverpool have just signed up Mo Salah who is a ridiculously quick player and with him along with Mane on the wing they will be a very worrisome duo for fullback along with Coutinho, Firminio, Lallana and Sturridge who are no sloths. Who in our current team would catch a Mane or a Salah? Or who in our team can beat a defender with shear pace the way these lads can?



Other than Rashford and Martial who are not guaranteed starters in Jose’s team what other pace is there? Valencia maybe but I wouldn’t be betting my shares on him catching a Mane.



If United are going to splash cash this summer and pay over the odds (as they always do) then it has got to be on someone with genuine pace, not just quick but lightning.

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23 Jun 2017 08:34:51

June 23Rd. Transfer window hasn't even opened yet. Lindelof in, fabinho on the way and you're a bit alarmed 😂😂.

23 Jun 2017 08:48:04

Angel do you have reading deficiencies? I said I am not fazed as it is early (but thanks for pointing out the date - real clever) . It was a general observation about the team lacking pace and that it is an area that really needs addressed. Thanks for trolling though.

23 Jun 2017 08:48:09

Its Jose's fault!

23 Jun 2017 08:49:07

Maze shaw, martial, rashford, valencia, bailly, mkhitaryan are very quick, it is a football team we are not playing 11x100 mtr baton relay race here.

23 Jun 2017 08:56:49

United are slow (despite having loads of fast players and csm named) and Liverpool's signing (who was terrible at Chelsea) is so fast and makes them so good? Surprise surprise.

23 Jun 2017 09:08:19

From what I've seen of Salah he is fast the way walcott/ sterling/ arron lennon are fast - leave the full back standing then proceed to put the ball into the car park.



Martial/ rashford will get their chances, Miki is deceptively fast with the ball at his feet (a much harder skill than kick and run after it) pus we don't know who is coming in.



I love to see fast skilful players . then again if you have quick one touch passing its also a very effective tool and easy on the eye - I reckon JM knows we need pace.

23 Jun 2017 09:09:23

Maze, a back 4 containing Shaw, Bailly and Valencia would have a lot of pace. Not seen much of Lindeloff but from what I have seen he doesn't look like a slouch either.

You should know from last season, regardless of opposition, Jose will set up a team that is hard to beat. If we add a top quality DM then I think we will let in very few goals.



And can I add that Sturridge is very much a sloth. One of the laziest strikers in the PL.

23 Jun 2017 09:09:58

Closet fan?

23 Jun 2017 09:20:39

CSM is Bailly going to run down the wing, beat 2 players and score an injury time winner? Valencia for all his workmanship is very predictable going forward. Miki in my opinion is not overly fast, inconsistent and more of a no.10. Martial and Rashford are strikers and are rather unconvincing on the wing.



GDS is Salah not a good player? Was KDB fantastic at Chelsea because he is better than every player in the United team now. Nobody is overhyping this 'so good Liverpool player'. You my little friend just have a large chip on your little shoulder. Please seek some help.

23 Jun 2017 09:25:49

I clearly don't maze because I said alarmed, not fazed.



Maybe it is Maze/ JMB/ ROLLO/ ETC that have reading deficiencies.

23 Jun 2017 09:35:51

Angelred clearly your above post shows you are a simply puzzled individual.

23 Jun 2017 09:37:09

So we won the same amount of trophies last season as Liverpool have done in the last 10 and you are worried? Remember Jose is having to work with that clueless idiot Ed who's record when it comes to transfers is comical. Jose has already given him a list and unlike you he won't just be picking up the paper and wanting everyone he sees on the back page.

23 Jun 2017 09:37:40

Maze is being rude to people who disagree with him. it must be a day ending in 'y'.

23 Jun 2017 09:40:21

No chip at all, I just disagree with you and you resort to condescension yet again. 'Little friend' ha.



De Bruyne is one example, there are many examples of players who were terrible in the prem who didn't improve with a return but we will ignore them so you are definitely correct this time.



A city player is better than all the United players? Again, surprise surprise.

23 Jun 2017 09:48:12

No bailly won't run past 2 players and score a 9th min winner but he might keep up with a salah and stop them scoring a 9th min goal?



KDB better than everyone in our squad? I don't get all these KDB fan boys. He's ok but for me nothing special. Silva is still there best creative player imo.

23 Jun 2017 09:52:35

My above post shows that I don't have reading deficiencies 😁.

23 Jun 2017 09:57:39

Why do you all give maze the time of day.



Every year is the same.



Rashford

Martial

Lingard

Young

Shaw

Bailly

Miki

Valencia

Lindelof



All the above are quick so I don't get your post. This is a game of fifa where pace is everything.



We have plenty of pace in the team.



What is jmb are you bored.

23 Jun 2017 09:59:22

I think maze has a fan club, people don't miss an opportunity.

23 Jun 2017 10:02:54

MAZE. I believe Perisic is no slouch, isn't he one of our main targets?

23 Jun 2017 10:05:13

So maze mkhi is slow but coutinho and lallana are quick, about bailly you yourself asked whether players can keep up with mane, i think you should just stop supporting us and start supporting someone else, you hate the players, the manager, the owners, the fans frankly there is nothing i have heard from you that you like about utd.

23 Jun 2017 10:37:27

It is overwhelming concerning how many folk on this page have the red tinted glasses on permanently.



How many times last season would we have won games if we had that one price of magic from the wing or a player who could beat 2-3 defenders to win the match?



I see twenty posts a day with folk asking are we interested in this player and that player but now that the MAZE tries to open your eyes United do not need a quick winger.



Is it Aprils fools day or is it just fools day all year round on here.

23 Jun 2017 10:39:31

CSM can you please untwist your little panties and stop playing the 'I'm a bigger fan than you card'. Its cringeworthy mate.

23 Jun 2017 10:47:24

Like I said Perisic who is a fast skilful winger who can beat a man and cross a ball.

23 Jun 2017 10:47:58

Maze,

This is one of the lamest post. I know u have reputation of being too much negative but this is too much. You seriously are worried about Salah and Mane? U certainly are one of the fan who never sees a good in own but a worl in others. I persoally believe we have a very good squad. Just a few players away from being a title winning team.

23 Jun 2017 11:19:33

Maze, your posts would be received better without the comparisons.



If you stated 'I hope United target new players with pace' and leave it at that, more people would agree. when you start comparing to other squads, making out that theirs is vastly superior, that's when you get peoples backs up.



For the record, I agree, I do think pace is a good weapon to have, and if a player is quick, as well as technically sound, they would be a welcome addition to our squad.

23 Jun 2017 11:33:24
Jred,

Maze is everything you wish you were, admit it.

23 Jun 2017 12:23:35
I don't get why everyone waits for maze to post and then gang up to have a go at him not his posts. i don't see anything wrong with his posts, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. it would be a sad world of everyone agreed. And we don't have an out and out fast winger in the squad. and i don't get the love in with last season's goal wonder of 14 goals morata either.

23 Jun 2017 12:57:20
Maze we could have won atleast 5 more games than we did in the league if we had finished better we created enough chances without having a winger beating 2-3 players, we just couldn't finish them and please don't lecture us about red tinted glasses while telling us salah is world class or something to be scared of.

Also it is not about being a bigger fan, i don't remember you praising anything utd related, ever. All your posts are a big moan about how everyone but utd is doing well, all i am saying is it will make you feel better if stop, unless you are into the masochistic stuff.

23 Jun 2017 13:11:40
Leahy
It's comical.

23 Jun 2017 14:48:21
Jred, Leahy12 don't bother. You are wasting your time. Everyone knows the post was most probably spot on but the clique of ignorants on here are just trolling.

23 Jun 2017 14:58:38
'Clique of ignorants'

Haha excelling yourself today Juan.

22 Jun 2017 21:55:03
Not sure about getting James! who would u bench for him?

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23 Jun 2017 00:07:20
It's a squad game so nobody would need to be 'benched' for him but he isn't a player I would expect us to sign, he's a bit of a luxury player and doesn't work hard enough for a Jose team.

23 Jun 2017 07:19:59
Can't see it happening Ronnie.

22 Jun 2017 19:36:36
Oh my God, only 1 player signed and the new season is almost upon us. What is happening? Who is in charge? Why are we here? All our competitors are signing world. class superstars and we are being messed around by everybody, it's a complete joke.

We are Manchester United, why we have not yet signed Neymar and Ronaldo is beyond me, I think heads need to roll. We're all domed, the end is nigh, Matron, where we my tablets?

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22 Jun 2017 20:51:06
Heat stroke Anthony? 😲.

22 Jun 2017 16:10:19
Arsenal are supposedly interested Jack Butland?

If De Gea goes, he'd be my first choice?

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22 Jun 2017 17:30:07
Because of his age?

22 Jun 2017 19:33:13
Is Butland better than Romero?

I'm not so sure.

22 Jun 2017 20:55:47
He's not better, but he's younger, and hunkier.

22 Jun 2017 16:07:05
Do we hold any interest in BVB left back Raphael Guerreiro?

Defo an area that needs fixing and Raphael is an exceptional talent!

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22 Jun 2017 17:44:13
And just got a suspected broken ankle, he won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

21 Jun 2017 11:44:14

my only argument to the tax fraud thread below is how many of you would do the same the only thing that gets me is they do not go to jail the ordinary person dose.

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21 Jun 2017 12:08:19

Not black and white though is it? Presumably JMs taxes aren't done by big Gerry down at the dog and duck, his accountants have found a tax avoidance scheme, like hundreds or thousands of others are doing. Not nice . He tried to keep more of his earnings. tut tut.



On the other hand JMs tax statement/ his tax bill for his time in Spain was 21 million euros . is that not enough? Has he not provided enough hospital beds, school books, traffic lights or whatever tax gets spent on with that 21 million when he was in Spain? Does jm really need another 2,9 million quid, probably not .



Everyone moral compass is set different, i'm more arsed about money being spent on wars, sending rubbish into space, etc etc, when cancer for example is still wiping out millions



JM, Ronaldo, Messi, tip of the iceberg. they are famous. plenty of CEOs at mid size companies making traffic cones or ice cream doing exactly the same you can be sure.

21 Jun 2017 12:42:11

it goes on everywhere i have worked at places were the boses have rang ther solicitors to ask what they can get away with this week paying lads less money so they can get out of pying less child support yet they seem to avoid jail time and meor you would not.

21 Jun 2017 12:45:57

Apparently Mourinho issued a statement saying he had paid 26m Euros in taxes representing 41% of his income while he was in Spain, and that the Spanish government had issued a certificate to say he was in compliance after he had entered into a settlement agreement in 2015.



I doubt very much he's going to get locked up.

21 Jun 2017 13:29:53

If it's evasion then they should be prosecuted, avoidance is another issue. Why would you not do whatever you could within the law to avoid tax? Maybe this is a case of Bumble's Maxim:



"If the law supposes that, " said Mr. Bumble, squeezing his hat emphatically in both hands, "the law is a ass - a idiot".



There, I've quoted Dickens on the page. My work here is done.

21 Jun 2017 14:23:10

Di Maria fined 1,7 mill today and 1 year suspended jail same thing.



Its the same pattern, same defence . paid their income tax in spain no problem as they see it but see image rights as a world wide market and tax shouldn't be paid in their domicile country. hence the shell companies. anyway the tax man in spain disagrees and seems to be winning all the cases so far . so precedent well and truly set - seem to be focusing on Barcelona and Madrid. so a Tale of two cities RWWD?

21 Jun 2017 14:46:18

And there are the winning 2 posts of the day :-D - RWWD and BFBW.

21 Jun 2017 15:44:12

Rwwd has got it spot on. Tax avoidance by means of schemes is not illegal as the accountants are just trying to earn their core on behalf of their clients by clever accounting.

Tax evasion is a different issue and that could carry prison sentences.

21 Jun 2017 16:08:46

Yes RWWD. Great quote but the original application to controlling one's wife's behaviour is still perhaps the more apposite.



The question on tax avoidance/ evasion is should the construction of a scheme solely to reduce taxes - for example by creating legal foreign shell holding companies, for example - be considered avoidance or evasion? Is it not a fraud perpetrated on the rest of the honest taxpayers?

21 Jun 2017 17:27:29

My issue is more to do with the morals of the situation as opposed to the legality. If you earn tens of thousands of pounds a week then there is no reason why you should not pay your tax. To have these convoluted work arounds to make you even richer is frankly pathetic.



Whether it is legal or not is secondary for me, pay your damn tax.

21 Jun 2017 20:46:30

Couldn't disagree more AJH. Everybody should pay the tax they are legally entitled to pay. If loopholes exist its up to to the revenue to close them. Illeagle tax evasion should be punished to the max but taking advantage of loopholes to lesson any tax burden should be used imo.

21 Jun 2017 22:01:06

One thing is for sure I think this debate about the tax situation has certainly highlighted the moral compasses of different posters.

21 Jun 2017 22:18:26
Ken I can see what you are saying to an extent but most of these tax loopholes are at best dubious and if these individuals get caught they most probably wouldn't be a leg to stand on.

A little of track here but along the same lines. In you opinion has US President Donald Trump did nothing wrong in your eyes by manoeuvring billions of dollars in tax through dubious loopholes?

Why are guys like this allowed to drive their fancy cars along our Govt built roads and use council built infrastructure like airports etc? You know what if they want to channel their tax through an offshore shell account then they can go live in that country permanently.

21 Jun 2017 23:27:10
Maze i don't know anything about trumps taxes or jose's for that matter.
If a legal loophole exists then everybody is entitled to avail or take advantage of that loophole. Imo people cannot be criticised if they ate operating within the law. I don't think your anger or frustration should be directed at the people using legitimate avenues to lesson their tax burden your Anger should be directed at the law makers and authorities that allow these loopholes to exist.
But leahy makes a good point why are they're not marches and protests outside buckingham palace as they pay no taxes at all.
I own my own business and will do all i can within the laws to minimise my tax burden. I am not talking the millions that footballers and the likes make but its all relative. I will always pay as little as i'm legally bound to. I provide employment for many and they are all tax compliant and we provide advice for all employees on their legitimate ways to minimise their taxes as a company we make sizeable charitable contributions and pension contributions for all employees.
Im proud to drive on our roads and i'm proud i make a significant contribution in taxes and i'm proud that i enable others to do the same.

20 Jun 2017 20:34:03
I'm just wondering if Ed 01 or 02 can help me out?
............

{Ed002's Note - This is not the place to discuss such matter.}

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20 Jun 2017 20:57:35
ok no worries man.
cheers pal.

21 Jun 2017 09:25:02
CTR,

Welcome back you dodgy bugger ;)

19 Jun 2017 23:08:44
Maybe Madrid want him out to free up wages and collect a big pay out, then move for want, he is 32.

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