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10 Dec 2017 18:45:03

I can’t hold back the tears as I realise that the balance of power has shifted. If you disagree then you really haven’t been watching over recent years.



Today we were given the run around by our neighbours; we may have huffed and puffed but there was only ever one team likely to win: the most upsetting aspect is that they play the football I want to see whilst we are cumbersome and disjointed. Pep improves Sterling whilst Jose simply slags off those players who do not perform to his standard.



My heart is breaking, disagree all you like but the balance of power has moved, if only we had signed Pep instead of the pragmatic Jose who continually identified conspiracies but who is yet to convince me he is right for out great club.



We may finish 2nd which is am improvement on 6th but to see City playing the free flowing football we are famous for, whilst we labour is a dagger to my heart.

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10 Dec 2017 19:14:54

Yes they are better but we have improved too and Jose took over with much more to do than Pep. Give him another full season then let's judge.

10 Dec 2017 19:55:17

Agree it's not nice losing at home to city. But it's only December, anything could happen between now and end of season . Couple of signings in Jan and the summer, We may have a more competitive team, Drop lukaku for a game or two and let him get his hunger back. And if Pep does win the league who is to say he will stay at city anyways.

10 Dec 2017 20:06:18

Wow AJH, don’t expect that kind of overreaction from you, crazy.

11 Dec 2017 06:03:01

I think that's a bit of an overstatement tony. They have a better squad and most people will not argue that. They will always have more possession because of how they play but we are very close and will not be one bit surprised if we beat them at their place later in the year.



We are not as deep as they are and when missing players like Pogba, and out of form mik and fellaini believe it or not which i though if we are going to play long balls is 10 times better than lukaku in terms of winning headers and being able to control the ball and bring other players into it.



we conceded 2 terrible goals and still should not have lost the game. For all their possession dog made one really good save from Debruyne and they had very little to show.



at the moment everything is going their way bounce of the ball and no injuries what so ever. let's wait and see how they respond when things are not going their way.

11 Dec 2017 09:13:58

City are the real deal, just like Chelsea the EPL is a competitive league with a lot of cash around .



Chelsea where top of the league for the most part of last season, city have been excellent this year. ALl 5 teams from England are through to the next round of the CL.

Spurs done Madrid over 2 games the scouse are on the up its getting harder .

United haven't got the comfort blanket of fergy.

11 Dec 2017 09:15:20

Thank God we never got beat 6.1 again like the last time the balance of power shifted.

11 Dec 2017 11:02:12

there there AJH buddy, we all hurting. And let me put your mind at ease. no, there ain't no powershift. its just that they have gotten powerful over the last few years too.



need i remind you about what happened when david moyes oversaw the derby game and after that said "this is the team we aspire to become " i mean can you believe that poop.



Lets just concentrate our ownselves for now. we are 2nd mate. when ws the last time that happened after 16 games?

11 Dec 2017 12:11:18

Hey Raconteur, honestly, do you not aspire to be more like that city team we played yesterday?

10 Dec 2017 19:17:39
On the positive side Klopp really lost it today in his interview with Skysports. Definitely a Keegan moment. yet again the Scousers miss out on it being their year.

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10 Dec 2017 22:22:41
I do believe he told the Liverpool hierarchy that he'd win the league by 2018. Well that's not going to happen. I said at the start of the season when the Liverpool fans were all expecting big things this season, that I think Liverpool will finish outside top four and he will get sacked. I wouldn't bet my house on it now, but still in the balance and Herr Klopp looks like he is starting to feel the pressure going into a busy Xmas period. Injury to Salah and I think it would be a meltdown for them.

10 Dec 2017 18:24:50
Man of the match michael Oliver.

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11 Dec 2017 03:51:35
Should be 1 of Lukaku or mourinho.

11 Dec 2017 05:39:47
Agree Mort. I think perhaps Jose said a few words too much about the refereeing and favoritism to City before the game hence possibly we got punished on some decisions.
I agree we didn’t play good enough but it got worse with double standard refereeing. So the punishment just mounted. English referees are nowhere in high standard to other European referees. Not all but a few prominent ones really.
Anyway derby is over and onto midweek next game. Perhaps we should maintain grinding it out to stay 2nd in PL table and focus on CL and winning other silverware and continue with final phase to team building.
We can then judge if Jose has met objectives. ATM just support him.

07 Dec 2017 12:51:53

Not United related but Ronaldo will be winning the Ballon D'or today over Messi, shocking decision as we all know who is the far superior player, especially over this past year.



Shows just how much this award is now based on popularity and marketing and not on footballing skill. Not surprising considering the same organisation ranked De Gea as the 7th best GK in the world!

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07 Dec 2017 14:19:49

Ronaldo won the champions league, and euros and you're still saying messi had a better year.



Messi has only scored more goals then Ronaldo that is the only thing he has done better then Ronaldo this year.

07 Dec 2017 14:41:26

So what the team wins counts for how the player played .

Is it an award for the best player or for who had a successful season?



No wonder ddg is only 7th best.

07 Dec 2017 15:06:23

The Ballon d'or is an individual trophy, not team. You just cannot argue with the fact that Leo is better than Ronaldo, he is mesmerising to watch, his dribbling, vision etc, compared to Ronaldo who waits in the box for 90 minutes. And he won the Euros in 2016 pal, not in 2017, this Ballon d'or is for the 2017 calendar year.

07 Dec 2017 15:17:37

If it is down to trophies then Fabregas is the best midfielder in England. Talking about trophies, Ronaldo won the award for 2013 despite not winning a single trophy, but he scored the most goals, what's changed now?

07 Dec 2017 15:50:26

If it is done on individual players then surely lewandowski has to be up there in contention. The guy is a goal machine with 51 in 52 games or something crazy like that. But it will be one of Ronaldo or Messi.

07 Dec 2017 15:31:10

Calender Year 2017



Ronaldo

Club Apps:56

Goals: 49

Assists: 13



Champions league Winner 2017, 2 goals and MOM in final

La Liga Winner 2017

Spanish Super Cup Winner, 1 goal over 2 legs



International Apps: 11

Goals: 11

Assists: 4



Messi

Club Apps: 61

Goals: 52

Assists: 14



International Apps: 7

Goals: 4

Assists: 0



Copa Del Rey winner, 1 goal scored in final



Scholes, you might have a personal preference for messi in terms of his footballing skill. But there is no denying the stats above. Ronaldo has had a superior calender year.

07 Dec 2017 15:43:40

Sorry ed, my post was slightly wrong, the stats i used were a combination of both club and country and then separately I included both players international stats.

07 Dec 2017 18:34:07
Has Harry Kane not scored more goals than both Messi and Ronaldo in 2017?

Messi has played a bit of a depper role this year getting more involved in the build up, I think it's the best he has played in a while.

07 Dec 2017 19:30:10
Ronaldo scored more goals then messi in 2011 yet Messi won the Ballond'or just like Ronaldo will this year.

07 Dec 2017 19:59:55
Ah yeah that Harry Kane, won the league and champs league right? 😂.

07 Dec 2017 23:16:58
Its a ronnie vote for me. I have always seen him above messi.

07 Dec 2017 23:45:30
Maybe because Leo did us over in two CL finals eh Zidane?

07 Dec 2017 23:47:37
Jesus Christ people actually moaning about Ronaldo winning when he had the best year eh?

08 Dec 2017 08:19:45
The fact that iniesta never won the award just shows how ridiculous the whole thing is.

08 Dec 2017 11:41:21
Angle
"Ah yeah that Harry Kane, won the league and champs league right? 😂. "

So it's not the best player it's what he wins?
Probably why people just go on about signing the big fancy names.

08 Dec 2017 13:26:38
Jred, it's an accumulation of things. Kanes stats are comparable with Messi and Ronaldo for sure but when you are the central figure to your team winning two of the biggest prizes in world football, I think it would take precedent over a player who had a great calender year but also a trophyless one.

09 Dec 2017 07:11:57
Scholes,

Just because you say something is a fact doesn’t mean that it is mate.

07 Dec 2017 13:13:32
So here's what really annoys me. This article, that I found in the Telegraph.

Does it really matter if the bloody wi-fi works or not? We live in an age where everyone has internet on their phone and when you come to watch United play at Old Trafford, you better watch em play, rather than update stuff.

goo.gl/EWBKm

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07 Dec 2017 23:56:04
Phone internet doesn’t work at Old Trafford. Plus it’s widely known that everything has gone to shish over the past 12 years. No money is spent on anything barring the first team.
And the whole club is suffering for it.

07 Dec 2017 00:28:22

So the odds for who we can play in the champions league round of 16 are as follows:

Real Madrid = 18.334%

Bayern = 14.842%

Juventus = 18.334%

Sevilla = 18.334%

Porto = 14.842%

Shakhtar = 15.314%



My preferred draw would be against Sevilla, Porto, Or Shakhtar. But its the last 16 so there will be no easy games!



Would would you guys rather we get?

{Ed0333's Note - is it just me all of a sudden I’m getting very excited about the Champions League all of a sudden. Can you imagine a Liverpool and United final? OMG.

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07 Dec 2017 01:18:33

No Ed, I couldn't 😂.

07 Dec 2017 07:28:50

Jambon, thanks for this. Why is it more likely we draw some teams than others? Genuine question.

07 Dec 2017 07:45:38

Oh ed. that would be effing out of this wrld!

07 Dec 2017 08:41:22

Great to see 5 English teams. even through gritted teeth seeing Liverpool there ed! 😂 I honestly think an English team can get to the final. They all have different brilliant qualities which can spring board them to success. I say enjoy it because the English teams are on the up again! I think we can get the semis but with Jose there is every chance we can win it. Exciting times.

07 Dec 2017 19:21:06
RWWD,
We can't play against teams who finished 1st in their group or any from england so that eliminates quite a few. The remaining are broken up via a similar system depending on the amount and which opponents they can face.

Ed, I would love a Liverpool United Final. Great to have that many English teams in the last 16!

{Ed0333's Note - The movie in my head plays out like this. In the semi-final we beat Man City in 9th minute of stoppage time with a Karius header from a corner. And in the final we beat United 33-1 after you guys take the lead in the 54th minute. Salah scores 10, Mane 5, Bobby 10, Couts 5 and a hatrick from Klavan. Yep I don’t get out much.

07 Dec 2017 23:18:32
Ed is that a special brand of whiskey you're drinking? 🤣🤣.

{Ed0333's Note - yes it’s called ‘I Have no life’ it’s a single malt 😀

06 Dec 2017 22:32:26
get ready for mighty mouth they have won again no doubt with his pearls of wisdom.

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06 Dec 2017 17:00:09
Who do people think are the three most likely players to be sold in January? Obviously it's a hard time to sell or buy so could be none in and none out. But mine are:

1) Fellaini
2) Darmian
3) Shaw.

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06 Dec 2017 16:48:42
"Mourinho has identified three issues in #mufc's squad - left back, winger and central midfield #mulive [duncan castles]"

"Mourinho has been given the 'green light' to improve his squad in January. He will have a budget of €90m #mulive [duncan castles]"

According to Duncan Castles who is a chum of Jose. The positions are obvious, however the number is mentioned in euros. I cannot see us signing three players in January, but I guess the three would be Rose, Milinkovic-Savic and surely not Perisic still? What do people think?

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06 Dec 2017 18:24:03
I cannot see us signing three players in January for €90m. Certainly not for of the quality we would like. Milinkovic-Savic would cost around €90m alone. I think we will sign a left back. Then maybe a midfielder or a winger. I would say more likely a winger than a midfielder as McTominay could step up and cover in midfield. He has looked the part ever time he has played so far.

06 Dec 2017 21:05:00
Harumph, when has Castles ever been right? I don’t believe any of it, our issue right now is central midfield where we are are losing too many games and where we struggle for creativity, I am sure Jose has seen this.

05 Dec 2017 22:28:45
Sorry hit send to early Schmeichel vds or ddg?

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06 Dec 2017 08:28:28
Difficult to say because DDg is still playing for us. I am a huge fan of schmeichel but i can't ignore the clean sheet record VDS set at utd so, for me VDS over Schmeichel and probably Ddg to surpass both eventually.

 


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