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26 Apr 2018 17:56:36
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23 Apr 2018 19:43:35
Would anyone be happy taking a punt on Seamus Coleman? I think he would be great down the right side. Do the Eds know if they’re is any interest? I know he wasn’t mentioned but I think there was interest before. Not sure if it’s still there?

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{Ed004's Note - Haven't heard of any interest in him and I think it's a couple of seasons too late to be going after him}

24 Apr 2018 07:58:12
Yeah I think that ship has sailed.

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24 Apr 2018 19:20:45
Sailed and sunk hopefully.

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19 Apr 2018 23:12:09
have to laugh according to the rags we are going to sell the best goalkeeper for 100 mill and buy barcas keeper who is second rate at best for 157 mill you can not make this stuff up muppets.

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21 Apr 2018 13:52:45
Would prefer to give it to Romero.

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21 Apr 2018 14:17:42
I agree dodgy, Romero is a quality keeper imo.

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21 Apr 2018 14:32:59
Best backup GK in world football. Fight me.

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19 Apr 2018 14:16:10
So, firstly, not in any rumours columns in the papers, not heard off the radio or on the internet by dodgy journos' or bloggers, but i was feeding some of the pidgeons (as you do), and one starting having a chat with me (after 4 tins of tennants i'm telling you we can all speak to the animals! ), and he said that a player jose is looking at is none other than marco arnautovic (spelling? ), jose had him as a youngster at inter milan and has kept a friendly interest at how he's progressed, so for all those who are going to dig me out about listening to rumours merchants on the radio or newspapers, you'd be wrong, all i can say is, when was the last time a pidgeon lied about a potential player joining! lol!

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19 Apr 2018 17:47:45
If it were a Seagull you were talking to I'd have a bit more confidence mate.

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19 Apr 2018 19:14:39
They’re all called Stephen you know.

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19 Apr 2018 19:16:34
Your defiantly for the birds 😀.

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19 Apr 2018 19:24:18
Avian flu must be doing the rounds again.

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19 Apr 2018 19:35:10
What happened to Ronnie? The king is dead, long live the king.

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19 Apr 2018 19:57:52
Speaking of birds what happened to Ngiak?

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19 Apr 2018 21:52:16
Be careful with pigeons they're manufactured as spies. They're everywhere watching and listening to everything.

If you don't believe me, answer this. Who's ever seen a baby pigeon?

I'm tellin ya. They're not to be trusted.

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19 Apr 2018 22:24:46
Can believe I’m saying this but I miss Ronnie.

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19 Apr 2018 22:33:00
Ronnie will be back in a couple of weeks.

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19 Apr 2018 23:52:15
Is he on a de-tox? 😂😂.

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21 Apr 2018 09:56:53
Ronnie is on a scouting mission looking at Peru under-14s versus a Sri Lankan XI. I expect ED002 will be giving more details of the promising young players on show in the next Sharkopod.

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18 Apr 2018 11:40:50
Ed002 if you can oblige this question pls.
Is ManUtd ever keen to look at and sign any Asian players after the likes of JS Park and Kagawa?
Son is playing well for Spurs and I am sure sure there are talents in Asia. They are usually very hardworking and come cheap too. Don't complain much and observe rules.

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{Ed002's Note - Clubs do not look to having players from particular parts of the world to join them - although obviously there are sponsors who would like to see that happen. There would be issues moving to England with Work Permits unless very significant prices were paid, hence you will find more across the rest of Europe than in England and Wales. Germany has seen a lot of Asian players, particularly from Japan and Korea - but numbers of such players (Korean are the most prevalent) in England and Wales has dropped over the past 6 or 7 years.}

18 Apr 2018 12:57:29
Thanks omnipresent one 🙏.

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20 Apr 2018 16:46:06
I know it was quite a while back now but I often thought the signing of Fangzhou had one eye on tapping into the Asian market. I think he played once for United in 3 seasons and he was unfortunately dubbed the Chinese Rooney by some sections of the press. Talk about setting somebody up for failure.
Sorry Red, but I had to read your last two sentences a couple of times, were they edited out of an old Mind Your Language script?

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16 Apr 2018 23:30:21
With Jose talking about players not showing consistency, does anyone think we may be about to see wholesale changes against bournemouth? Shaw might get a game. I'm seems with his comments about some players already not being considered for the spurs game that he's maybe ready to get rid of a few? I for one would love to see a couple of the younger lads included on Wednesday. After all he said a spectacular performance would keep a player in the team.

Do we think he's challenging the likes of pogba and Sanchez to prove they want to play in the big game to get more from them, or could we actually be surprised and see some of the younger lads? I know what option I'd go with.

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17 Apr 2018 07:05:52
I think it’s really interesting. The club needs to decide to back the current manager again or change manager. Unless there is a change of manager I doubt you’ll see Shaw next season. If he gets a game it will be to place him in the shop window.

Personally, I think Mourinho has done a good job. 6th to 2nd is progress. That said I am not a fan of Mourinho’s approach as a manager. I think he develops his CV more than players.

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17 Apr 2018 09:45:14
I would seriously like to see a younger and explosive team for Bournemouth game. Give them a chance and see if they can handle the pressure. Forget the luxury of senior players except for key ones.
I’d rather the younger ones play attacking and pace than the slow overly careful game by some of the senior players. What’s to lose? At the worse we are still 2 point ahead of the scousers! The PL title is already lost so as long as we are in top 4 what the hell?
We need to identify which are the young players who can come into first team and what better opportunity to see how they perform? Maybe the senior players can learn a little from them?

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17 Apr 2018 09:46:24
I think the club is backing Jose and a third season will see what he can really do. We’re not blind, the current back four is nowhere near good enough to win a title, so full back and centre halves are a priority as is an improved midfield. Matic cannot play effectively every single week and I’d love to see Martial paired with Lukaku up top with Sanchez supporting.

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17 Apr 2018 20:49:25
Why would playing younger players make us more attacking? I think the managers tactics and instructions are as much the problem as anything.

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18 Apr 2018 10:32:13
Stand, I tend to think the younger players are more eager to impress and tend to be more fearless.

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18 Apr 2018 12:44:08
Personally I would be putting Gomes and Chong in the matchday squad, give them some starts. But I'm not manager.

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18 Apr 2018 13:04:42
It's very easy to say @give the young players a go' when you are a fan, if JM played a load of kids, United got beat and ended up dropping below Liverpool/ Tottenham you'd see a load of stick for him.

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18 Apr 2018 14:08:12
Steve I’m not so sure I agree. If anything it would show Jose buying into the clubs traditions and would save him with some fans imo. Plus the younger lads at the moment have some real ability.

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18 Apr 2018 19:21:28
Caolan, don't worry. Jose would have that fearlessness knocked out of them, double quick.

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18 Apr 2018 19:35:38
Yeah but Nou we might get a good 45 minutes out of them ;-)

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19 Apr 2018 13:07:13
Why so much negativity towards Jose?
The team has improved on last year, enough to overtake all the teams that were ahead of us except City and there is nothing we can do about that, all Jose can do is continue to improve United.
As for young players McTimony has been introduced into the first team squad, Rashford has 40+ appearances (yes about half as sub but he's still very young) .

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19 Apr 2018 15:42:01
LVG played loads of youngsters and we were terrible.

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15 Apr 2018 09:55:35
Hey 002, how are you fixed for a quick and dirty run through of Man Utd targets for summer and possible sales?

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{Ed002's Note - In terms of interest we know of, it is something like this:

GK – we will have to wait and see

Alvaro Odriozola (RWB) - won't leave Spain, may not be a need for an addition this summer

Toby Alderweireld (CB) - but may need to fend off an offer of a new deal from Spurs, Manchester City and Real Madrid
Raphael Varane (CB) - it drags on rather but Real Madrid may be willing to let him leave this summer for the right price as part of their major rebuild programme – so might be possible
Samuel Umtiti (CB) – a maybe right now although another English side who have enquired have been told he is negotiating a new deal - if that can't be agreed we will see, but Barcelona won't sell before they have a replacement and that is proving to be financially difficult – player is proving to be a real pain in the neck
David Lopez (CB) - do not rule him out - Mourinho will wait and remains keen
Don’t rule out a move for an English CB to keep the balance

Danny Rose (LB) – I expect an offer to be made
Faouzi Ghoulam (LB) - risky after ACL injury
Aaron Martin (LB) – liked by JM
Alex Sandro (LB) – keeps running hot and cold with Juve but they have a replacement in mind so could push to the top of the list
Philipp Max (LB) – would be a great pick but unlikely
Kieran Tierney (LB) – not first team material for MU at this time, liked but unlikely

Jorginho (CM/DM) – player wants MC
Casemiro (DM) – a JM favourite
Fabinho (DM) - not first choice – doubtful

Toni Kroos (M) wanted by JM but not by the club – but JM may get his way
Arturo Vidal (CM) – age/price makes him unlikely but JM likes him
Jean Michael Seri (M) – I would strike him from the list – talking to another PL side
Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (CM) – could be priced out of a move
Fred (CM) - alternative to SMS and Kroos

Isco (AM) – depends on RM coach staying or going, serious interest from elsewhere

Christian Pulisic (RW) – very doubtful and a position that is not pressing

Gareth Bale (LW) - Will be offered to Manchester United but I think could be priced out of a move when his injuries are taken in to account - and he will have another option in England
Jose Arnaiz (LW) - viable option, don’t lose sight of him
Marco Asensio (LW) - unlikely because if he leaves he will likely be heading elsewhere and he is very, very pricey
Ivan Perisic (LW) - Manchester United could yet return although he has been struggling a little for form of late

Robert Lewandowski (S) - player wants Real Madrid but they may look first to other options – but not a pressing need right now


Out - perhaps:
Anthony Martial
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (had to leave before end of March)
Chris Smalling
Phil Jones
Matteo Darmian
Luke Shaw

15 Apr 2018 19:58:04
Cheers ed.

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15 Apr 2018 20:24:22
Great choices there . i'd go with Sandro, Umtiti or Alderweireld, , Jose Arnaiz looks like he might have a lot to prove as he isn't getting game time at Barcelona so will be hungry for success ans i wouls go for Kroos as it seems Pogba will be staying.

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15 Apr 2018 20:25:37
As a dm i would go for Casemiro he could be a really good option for us.

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15 Apr 2018 21:15:20
Thanks ed002 you’re a sweetheart.

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15 Apr 2018 21:18:29
Thanks Ed, very interesting to see.

Considering the good ones that the ed says are less likely, the ones he says are more likely don't really fill me with great positivity.
Does anyone else feel the same way?

Did I read right that RB/ RWB might not be a priority? If so, disappointing.

CB - definitely need a solid and consistent one. Toby Alder would be great, prem proven, but can we really get him and rose from Spurs?

LB - Danny rose is injury prone and hasn't played well for like a year, and will be well overpriced.
Alex Sandro has disappointed me in every champs league games I've watched him in, nothing like a 50-60m fullback.
Aaron Martin for me.

DM - Casimiero is good. Would take him. Matic will only get worse next season i reckon so I think we need a more dynamic holding mid.

CM - Kroos wouldn't give our midfield the transformation it needs. In fact we might find he'd compound our existing issues. And as a big name he'd cost a bomb.
Vidal prob too old to sign now for the type of player he is, though he would definitely improve us short term.
SMS probably the only one out of the entire list worth breaking the bank for.
Fred would be a v good signing I believe.

None of the attacking options there are ideal/ viable in my view, apart from Arnaiz maybe. Bale and Perisic are big no's for me.

Sounding a bit negative but have to admit I'm struggling a bit.

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15 Apr 2018 21:48:24
Thanks Ed much appreciated. Frankly though I am rather underwhelmed by most of the players you mentioned. Yes they are generally very good players but fee are what I would term truly world beaters. You can be sure City will strengthen and even if they didn't I don't think the players you named would make City quake in their boots. Additionally City are by and large a young team who will only grow stronger together.

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{Ed002's Note - You have to have players who fit in the team and four of these are players MC are interested in.}

15 Apr 2018 22:16:37
Thanks Ed

Any of the three CBs would be great additions. As for an English signing to keep balance if Jones and Smalling leave (which I hope they do), I’d love to see us give Tuanzebe a real chance.

LB I’d love Rose. I know some people are negative about his injuries and overall performance level but he’d undoubtedly be a huge improvement for us. Hopefully we keep an eye on Tierney and line him up for a move in the next couple of seasons.

DM I’d rather see TFM given a chance in our squad in this position than at RB (that would mean us having to make a signing there though) . I think Matic has done well for us and no harm having him and TFM as our two options next season

Would love Kroos at CM to make the midfield three. Jorginho and Fred both good options too.

Only attacking player on the list that seems exciting is Asensio. Would move heaven, earth and Martial to get him. But given how unlikely it sounds I’d rather stick with the attacking players we have.

Outgoings seem good, possibly Fellaini and Mata to be added to the list? Andreas Perreira another young player who could add to our squad next season too. An interesting and important summer ahead if we’re to close the gap on City and avoid being surpassed by the scousers.

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16 Apr 2018 04:52:12
Thanks Ed, for update, some great option there.
Left back options seems trick but I would be happy with Sandro,

Umtiti for CB, either Casimiero or Jorginho though the later doesn't prefer us for CDM,

Sergej would my choice for CM, but is overpriced as you say, Not sure with Kross very good on the ball but with Pogba will have many passengers in the middle,

Isco would be good but seems unlikely, LW seem trick, Asensio, very good, Bale and Perisic very experienced but on the decline, Arnaiz have not seen him play.

Outs, I would like Martial to stay but all the signs tell will be sold.
No mention of Blind but I don't see him staying.

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16 Apr 2018 05:05:19
Keep ddg and get likes of alderwierld, Sandro, casemiero, and we will be in a good position. Only worrying factor is all these lw's that we are targeting, even if martial goes we will still have rashford and the 500k man on left. It is someone on the right that we need not on left.

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15 Apr 2018 23:07:32
Ed 2 I totally an understand the concept of getting players to fit the team. I can understand City being interested in them but they have already have a very strong core bedded in. We don't. We need two fullbacks possibly another centre half and definitely at least one midfielder and wide player. City already have almost two players for every position. In some positions they have three choices! Ultimately though any team has to have a solid foundation to build on and a defined pattern of play which allows the players the confidence to perform to their best. We have neither. Winning last week just papered over the cracks. The good thing from today's loss is that maybe Jose gets the funds he needs to buy the players needed to get us back to where we used to be. I do not believe Jose is past it. The players today have to take the brunt of criticism. To play so poorly and without urgency and passion is not the fault of the manager. For all the faults he may have Jose would not instruct a team of his to play like that. The players need to man up and show some character.

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{Ed002's Note - I really have no idea what you expect. You are underwhelmed because MC has better, I explain that four of these players are also interesting MC, and now the problem is that MC have more choices. What is it you are expecting?}

16 Apr 2018 03:21:58
Thanks a lot ed2, you are a legend.

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16 Apr 2018 09:55:03
Thanks for that Ed 002, Max would be an excellent buy for United. He would totally revitalise our left side. Shame it isn't likely, he's a good player and exactly what United need. Have a good day.

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16 Apr 2018 12:02:40
Fantastic Ed, thanks for your time, really made my day!

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16 Apr 2018 13:34:39
Do you know the interested clubs in martial if he were to be sold ed

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Juventus.}

16 Apr 2018 13:53:14
Thanks a lot Ed, at least we have an idea of transfer targets. It's a bit disappointing though that we aren't focusing so much on RW/ RM/ RB.

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16 Apr 2018 16:56:20
I’d love us to sign tierney as he looks an absolute class act, however another year or two at Celtic will do him no harm.

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16 Apr 2018 16:37:26
Ed002 thanks and just saw this. Appreciate your info.
Salute 🙏.

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16 Apr 2018 18:18:27
thanks ed.

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16 Apr 2018 21:11:57
Seems a genuine lack of top top quality available. i'm Thinking Jose's tactics/ inspiration/ man-managment skills next season will be more important than recruitment if this is what we have to choose from.

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16 Apr 2018 21:20:13
I do not understand why there are so many left wing targets but hardly any on right wing. I thought we are loaded on left wing and we desperately need a right winger. Maybe Sanchez is to be moved to the right this summer?

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17 Apr 2018 07:48:45
I can see Sanchez playing out there next year but being given the freedom that mata has to roam inside.

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17 Apr 2018 15:16:44
12daysofhermida why then mess martial around shifting him from left when sanchez arrived if the idea was to play him on the right eventually?

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17 Apr 2018 20:26:12
Fantastic insight Ed, Thank you. On Milinkovic-Savic, from reading a while back he seemed our primary target for midfield. Is this still the case or has the price pushed him down the list. Thanks as always.

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{Ed002's Note - I think he would be the number one pick.}

17 Apr 2018 21:02:33
So Blind and Fellaini are staying?

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{Ed004's Note - I very much doubt it}

11 Apr 2018 18:12:20
Ed any truth United are looking at mawson.

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{Ed002's Note - I don’t know but would think he would be well down the list of CBs the club is known to be looking at, but he has an advantage of being English. There is interest from elsewhere in the PL.}

11 Apr 2018 20:46:47
Along with our other English centre backs jones and smalling?
Im never sure with some cb's sometimes they can look good because they are so busy at the likes of swansea and because he is their best defender. Over the past couple of seasons he has stood out for them so i can see why any epl side wiuld be looking at him but could he make such a big leap. Many have before him. To be honest i think its the sort of transfer that every fan likes to see succeed.

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11 Apr 2018 21:52:37
Mawson is a far better player than Maguire. Although neither are good enough for us.

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11 Apr 2018 22:10:52
I don't rate maguire at all shappy. It would be a huge step up for mawson but i think he is the Better of those two.

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12 Apr 2018 17:34:44
Agree shappy and ken maguire’s positioning is atrocious and I’m not sure why he gets so many plaudits. Perhaps because he carries the ball out of defence but that’s where the problems lie for me. He often loses it.

Not a fan of Mawson if I’m honest. He’s decent but not good enough for us. I find it misleading buying cbs from teams that sit back as it’s easy to camp 11 men behind the ball and be structured and disciplined. The test is when you move to one of the big boys and you have to play 10 yards further forward without 2 defensive midfielders protecting you. That’s why players like Lovren have struggled. Also, we have the likes of tuanzebe coming through who has the potential to be a very good player so wouldn’t be going anywhere near the likes of Mawson or Maguire.

If we do need a cb we need a top quality one whose better than we have got to partner bailly. It would have to be of the ilk of Umtiti, Alderweireld or varane. But tbh I would like to see lindelof to have a run in the team as I think he has the attributes to be a good cb. Otherwise my choice to partner bailly would be Rojo but he is not very good at playing out of the back. Cb is the least of our worries for me.

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14 Apr 2018 14:14:16
It may just be me but I quite like Maguire . The way he breaks from the back and breaks play up. "Like a young Steve Bruce"😆😆.

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{Ed001's Note - without the defensive ability or reading of the game of Bruce. In fact the only similarity between the two I can think of is that they both have a face only a mother can love....}

15 Apr 2018 10:19:44
If Alderweireld is available he’d be the signing for me! Top quality.

Good mate if my incidentally is Spurs fan and they have all well and truly turned on Danny Rose down there.

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10 Apr 2018 16:18:06
Hi Ed are the rumours of martial looking to leave in the summer true? Be bitterly disappointed if they are.

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{Ed025's Note - i suspect he is angling for some more game time myself park..

10 Apr 2018 16:31:51
Smacks of short termism Ed if you ask me. I know he is not the finished article but if Jose really is looking to replace him with a 29 year old injury prone Gareth bale then I will be pretty livid.

Can’t blame martial he has 21 goals this season in all comps second only to Lukaku and played far less games. This has a feeling of De Bruyne if you ask me. Just my humble opinion 😂. Would much rather he was sent on loan.

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{Ed025's Note - a loan to everton sounds good to me park..i love the guy..

10 Apr 2018 17:17:21
I’m fairly certain marital has 12 goals. he's a fantastic talent but doesn’t perform consistently enough, and if he doesn’t want to be here then get rid. If he does want to stay, he needs to get his head down and work hard.

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10 Apr 2018 17:58:57
My mistake caolan was meant to say goals and assist. All together it would be 19 not 21. Agreed mate consistency is a problem but getting rid would be a huge mistake. If he wants regular play time a loan is better.

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10 Apr 2018 16:46:50
Would be a great move ed he would get regular game time and in the premier league. But only if big sam is not managing him. A fonesca or Marco silva would do nicely! Fingers crossed he isn’t leaving but I’m not optimistic unfortunately. Thanks for your input as always ed much appreciated.

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{Ed025's Note - no problem mate..

10 Apr 2018 18:25:30
This will be our kdb moment and given who the coach is not a surprise.

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10 Apr 2018 18:40:48
Need to remember he is still young and developing. To maximise his potential he needs to play. I can’t blame the lad for looking elsewhere. The club took his number off him after he was trying to build a brand, we then bought Sanchez and moved him from his favoured position to the right. We then did not give him a run of games to get use to being on the right and then dropped him.

It does not demonstrate that he is valued. More gives the impression of you are here to make up the numbers and will be moved around or messed around as soon as we sign somebody else. I would be gutted if he left.

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10 Apr 2018 19:29:29
I wanted him loaned out this season. He needs to play to improve and the scope for improvement is huge.

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10 Apr 2018 19:38:01
Don’t be agree or get the love in with Martial. He’s a 1 in 5 player, and he needs to work hard every single day he’s here to prove he’s worth his chance.

We vastly overpaid for him in desperation and has been ok, but Rashford stays and plays more then fine by me.

Of course he could be awesome and fingers crossed it’s more media nonsense and he becomes a world class talent for us but he’s a striker not a winger.

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10 Apr 2018 19:56:07
Caolan this is utd player's minutes per goals or assists ratio.

Lukaku- 110 mins per goal/ assist
Rashford- 111 mins
Lingard- 108 mins
Martial- 103 mins

Looks more like we just don't give him a consistent enough run to actually let him perform well consistently. He was utd player of the month 3 times this season until the 500k man arrived then mourinho did what he does best with young attacking players.

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10 Apr 2018 20:50:03
Is it a case of the manager wants rid or the player wants to leave. Quite a lot quick to blame Jose an cite de bruyne but I think eds said that wasn't down to Jose.

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10 Apr 2018 22:28:15
Sanchez is ten times the player Martial is right now. Blaming Jose for his sulky nature and lethargic style is ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong he has the potential. But he needs to work hard to get there. Where is he realistically going to be allowed to move to that are equal to Utd and actually start matches? Modern footballers wind me up no end.

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11 Apr 2018 00:26:18
Martial reminds me of Nani. Extremely talented but not consistent and extremely frustrating. Not sure if it's an attitude or lifestyle problem but he needs to change.

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11 Apr 2018 00:49:21
Csm, I understand those stats, but they can be misleading eg the opening day he scored and assisted with 10 minutes left, but it shows the talent. Unfortunately, He’s not progressed in 3 years, his first season here was without doubt his best. He needs to show more and just keep an eye on Tahith Chong, works his backside off and looks a top talent. I don’t think martial has the desire, so if he wants to leave, let’s get a good price and move on.

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11 Apr 2018 01:12:38
Don't disagree Eric, but that 10 times the player has also been ten times the tripe and not been benched, if martial had 1 game like Sanchez had a dozen he won't be starting for most of the 12 or so Sanchez has played for us.

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11 Apr 2018 05:35:26
Caolan I don't have a problem with selling martial if the replacement is someone like a dybala but mourinho will replace martial with the Croatian Ashley young because he tracks back better. 2-3 years down the line when martial would be tearing it up in a team that actually is allowed to attack we will be in a Wayne Rooney situation with 2 30+ pace merchants who would have lost their pace and will be on high wages and whichever poor sap replaces mourinho will be left dealing with the issue and again we will be in a transition period.

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11 Apr 2018 09:50:23
Perisic is twice the player Martial is at the moment in the wingers position.

He will do the job Mourinho requires him to do.

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11 Apr 2018 10:09:34
MARTIAL's problem is Martial. Talent but gives the impression he only does what he thinks is enough which isn't always enough. If a deal to be had is better then let him go but not cheaply.

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11 Apr 2018 10:43:51
What exactly is this job Singh.

Martial pl stats- 1347 mins 9 goals 5 assists

Croatian Ashley Young serie a stats- 2686 mins 9 goals 5 assists.

Sqauwka do a defense score in their comparison matrix it reads

Croatian Ashley Young- -23.9
Anthony Martial- 60.82

Doesn't seem like a defensive stalwart by looking at those stats. Only thing Croatian Ashley Young is better at than martial is his crossing and having watched him more than a few times, it ain't something to write home about. If we sign an actually decent lb we will get a crosser most likely better than the Croatian Ashley Young.

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11 Apr 2018 11:27:55
Perisic is a decent player nothing more .
Done ok at inter last couple of years nothing more . will be 30 next season.

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11 Apr 2018 11:41:23
Perisic is a decent player, who has had a couple of seasons of good form. But as CSM points out he is performing at currently around the same level as Martial. However, Martial has potential to get better whereas, Perisic will only decline.

However, Perisic plays predominantly on the left, Martial supposedly isn't happy because Sanchez has taken his place. Rashford supposedly isn't happy because he isn't starting as many games as he would like and he too has predominantly played on the left for Jose.

So we have three players two of which are talented young players who all predominantly play on the left.

Lingard has stepped up this year, and Mata remains consistent, we then have Angel Gomes and Chong in particular knocking on the door.

So why do people think that if Martial leaves he will be replaced?

If he leaves we probably won't see anyone come in to replace him. Sanchez has already done that.

Jose wants at least one full back, preferably two. A centre back despite already signing two and having a super talented Tuanzebe coming through. And at least one if not two midfielders again having already signing two, and having McTominay, TFM and Andreas Pereira trying to break through.

The forward positions are bottom of the list and we will only likely see another forward join after 4-5 other players who are higher priority. Which means we won't be signing one.

So by all means wish a super talented young player away, but don't cry when he isn't replaced and he goes on to become a star else where. Just like Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah did after Mourinho wasted their potential.

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11 Apr 2018 11:58:14
Martial has been good this season when he's played. Has electric pace and the type of dribbling where it feels like the ball is glued to his foot. How many players in the world can you say that about? Add to that ice cool finishing and solid link up play. He is being wasted and will come back to haunt Mourinho like De Bruyne and Salah. Play Sanchez on the right (where he got his best goal and assist stats. Where he is comfortable playing) and Martial on the left of Lukaku. Serious skill, speed and finishing ability in that front 3 with Pogba supporting from deep.

But of course none of this is going to happen. Sanchez will play on the left to stunt Rashford and shuttle Martial out the door, while Martial will come back to piss all over us one day. Mourinho logic.

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11 Apr 2018 13:11:53
Sorry but csm I don’t get why you’re comparing him to Persic, a completely different style of player? Once again thought it’s a minpulation of stats, whilst comparing two completely different players. I could find you a stat that says Milner was more creative than Scholes. I understand a lot of fans on here love martial, heck I’m a big fan of his, due to his talent but he’s not progressing on. Let me ask you this, would he have dug in on Saturday like Sanchez and tried to eat us big in the game. I don’t see the attitude from him that will make him a really top class player, that I know he can become. As snappy says there are young hungry players coming through the academy, so maybe let’s promote one and stick to the club values? Rather than spending our time on a player who has rejected a new 5 year deal (which shows the club value him) . It’s that reason why I’m not opposed to selling him.

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11 Apr 2018 13:45:56
Martial isn't going yo get chances at United until Mourinho is here. Like Shappy has said Sanchez has already replaced him and if Mourinho signs another attacker it will limit his progress further.

He could be a superstar in the making but it just isn't going to happen at United unless something drastically changes.

Hr has had enough chances to prove himself at lw but hasn't really done much, stats are stats and it makes Ban Dost look like world class.

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11 Apr 2018 14:01:30
So people want to sell martial?
Lot of people trying to justify the sale .
I do wonder if people would be wanting to get rid rid of him if it wasn't for the fact it's in the press .

Same goes for perisic being twice the player martial is . I doubt that would be the case if he wasn't linked to us last summer .
If martial signs a new contract has the club and Jose made a massive then reading above .
In fact are they in the wrong offering him a new contract?

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11 Apr 2018 14:06:15
Perisic is twice the player Martial is at lw. Have you not seen how many times Martial loses the ball, makes wrong decisions and just stands their confused or even sulks when things don't go his way at lw.

Martial has loads of potential but not at lw. He will never be a winger unless he changes things draatically.

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11 Apr 2018 14:11:48
Perisic is a lw isn't he caolan, milner scholes comparison is stupid but lw is lw styles might be different but end result expected is the same, it isn't mf where a pogba has different job to a matic. Your job as a lw is scoring or creating goals. Ronaldo and Beckham were different players with different styles but we expected both to either create or score goals. If we sign a lw we will expect him to score and create won't we?

You ask about the city, you seem to forget that it was martial who assisted lukaku in the Chelsea game for the equalizer and scored the late winner against spurs.

Also it's funny you complained about martial being inconsistent yet bring up Sanchez in comparison a player who has been nothing but inconsistent for us.

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11 Apr 2018 14:16:38
Do you have some substance to back up this twice the player stance Singh because there isn't any metric out there that proves perisic is better than martial let alone being twice the player.

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11 Apr 2018 14:41:39
CSM, I didn’t say Sanchez has been consistent did I? Merely pointing to the battling performance at the weekend I don’t think martial may be capable off, and he hasn’t shown that yet. Also shall we go back to that Chelsea game? He played a lovely pass to lukaku for the goal, and then was god awful after that.
And no I don’t agree that you can compare persic to martial, as all you’ve done is take statistics and use them as gospel. Don’t understand how you can say that’s a fair comparison but Milner to Scholes isn’t? Both play in the midfield don’t they?
Also if you read my post you’ll see that I don’t dislike martial, but he’s not been consistent enough, or hell even progressed. If he misses a chance his head drops, eg the Newcastle away game. He has all the talent in the world but I don’t know if he has the desire to achieve it. His movement off the ball at times is non existent, he would reluctantly go backwards, is he capable of a high press? The talent is there. He needs to work hard and fulfill that potential. I’m order to achieve that if he feels the need to leave then good luck to him. It’s the same with pogba.

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11 Apr 2018 14:45:16
The main complaints about Martial is he doesn't track back, he is inconsistent, he loses the ball often and he should when things don't go his way.

Obviously the people voicing these complaints either haven't been United fans that long or they have very short memories.

All of the above could have been leveled at a 21 year old Ronaldo.

Sulks if he doesn't get the ball, inconsistent, doesn't track back, loses the ball.

Very short memories.

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11 Apr 2018 14:51:53
Shappy, my criticism isn’t entirely based around work rate, but is he putting in the work Ronaldo did? We don’t know. Also the reason I’m leaning towards selling him is that the various reports state he rejected a contract. If that’s the case and he doesn’t want to be at united anymore then sell him.

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11 Apr 2018 14:54:41
If Ed 2s about can you clarify it was de Bruyne who wanted to leave Chelsea. Also same with Lukaku and Salah. Apologies I know you've this before but I think it just needs to be clarified.

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{Ed002's Note - De Bruyne and Salah both wanted to leave for specific reasons and Chelsea did not stand in their way. Lukaku did something which meant he would never return to Chelsea from loan and would never play for the club again.}

11 Apr 2018 15:15:03
Caolan
So if it is true that he has been offered a contract are the club and Jose wrong to offer him one based on the negatives above .

Very talent young player and people want to sell him?
I hope he stays and relises his potential at United.
Got to wonder what some on here would of thought of a young Ronaldo.
Singh
Have you actually watched perisic, he really isn't twice the player martial is .

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11 Apr 2018 15:51:44
Caolan again remind me what Sanchez did other than the 2 assists before or after? He is 22 if you expect a 22 year old attacker in a jose mourinho team to be consistently brilliant either you are naive or have never watched football.

Most reports suggest that he isn't happy with the playing time which has been compounded by the signing of Sanchez, he isn't wrong in that is he. He rightfully started on the bench rather than first 11 this season because of his last season performances but then performed well enough to displace rashford and was one of our better attacking players until Sanchez arrived. Would you sign a contract if you get benched for multiple games after a single bad games but are forced to change position because a new player comes in who then proceeds to set new standards on how bad you can play but this player never gets benched.

About perisic martial comparison, you keep bringing milner and scholes in the conversation when they don't play the same position or are expected to do the same job yet ignore my Ronaldo and Beckham comparison because it doesn't suit your point. There is no real stat or fact or anything that can firmly say that perisic is better than martial so you come up with stuff like goals and assists aren't the only things we rate wingers on, fact is that is the biggest point on which people rate attackers on.

You don't want Sanchez or griezmann ahead of martial or rashford because they run more or track back but because they are better going forward and the Croatian Ashley Young ain't.

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11 Apr 2018 16:01:24
Media spouts nonsense and the page goes into meltdown blaming Jose for this and that. Blah blah noise. Read what ed2 says above. None of which had anything to do with Mourinho. It’s very tiresome reacting from day to day on this stuff.

Jose hates youngsters so much he didn’t go to school and won’t talk to his children until they’re 25.

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{Ed001's Note - that's not true Jose loves kids, on toast with a bit of cheese, but he couldn't eat a whole one...}

11 Apr 2018 16:31:49
Eric, I believe both Salah and De Bruyne left Chelsea for more playing time, in fact for any playing time as he wouldn't pick them.

Are you suggesting that Jose doesn't get to pick the team?

Jose may not have activity tried to sell them, but he didn't give them a chance. So they had to leave to further their careers.

No one is saying Martial, Shaw and Rashford want to leave United because they have it in Manchester, not is anyone saying they are being forced out by Jose. Merely Jose doesn't trust young players, he doesn't progress them as he doesn't create an environment for them to flourish. He would rather sign older players because Jose doesn't think about next season or the future of the club he is working for, he only cares about this season and how many trophies he can win for Jose Mourinho.

That is why he is a short term manager, and unless he wins the title next season he won't be our manager by the start of the 2019/ 20 season.

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{Ed002's Note - No it was not really the situation with either player, it was more complex than that.}

11 Apr 2018 16:38:04
So where have I put down persic is better mate? And I’ll comment on Ronaldo and Beckham if you want. Two completely contrasting styles of players yet again. Only here for a bit of a debate and to give my opinion. No need to call me naive or question whether I’ve watched a game. At the end of the day you have your opinion, and I may not agree with it but it’s not me having a go, because we all have an opinion and no one is right or wrong. Last I’m going to say on the matter.

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11 Apr 2018 16:55:31
And sorry I just seen the question about whether the club should offer him a new deal from Jred.
I’m reaponse mate, if the club feel he can fulfill his potential and he’s willing to work hard to do so then off course like I said earlier. There’s no doubting his potential at all the main reason I’m saying about getting rid of him is the fact that he’s apparently turned this deal down. My point is I don’t think he’d be as missed as people say, but it’s only my opinion.
At the end of the day I’d love him to stay here and become a legend, score 200+ goals. However, at this moment I don’t see that happening. I hope I’m wrong, but if he wants out, let him out. Last I’m saying.

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11 Apr 2018 17:08:25
Didn't mean to cause offense caolan, sorry if i have. But it is annoying when people expect consistency from 22 year old attackers especially given our attacking play.

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11 Apr 2018 17:10:59
When Ronaldo was here it was a differenr situation . We had fergie as our manager, we didn't have to compete with 4 other possible premier league challengers . We had a proper defence had a very good midfield had Tevez and Rooney and vannisteroy so we couldve carried a 21 year old inconsistent Ronaldo and even then he Ronaldo showed more skill then Martial has in his time here.

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11 Apr 2018 17:20:35
No worries CSM. I’m not expecting Ronaldo/ Messi performances but I get frustrated with him because of how much ability he has, and I’m sure there are many who want to see a hell of a lot more from him because we know that potential.

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11 Apr 2018 18:00:32
Singh
After reading all that then you want to sell him?

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11 Apr 2018 18:28:37
Shappy he can only play 11 players at a time. Jose thinks sanchez is better than martial. I agree with him. He also thinks at this time that rashford is a better option than martial. I agree with him. He thinks lukaku is a better option i agree with him.
Its just The managers preference.
Lampard said last night that he never saw the potential in salah nobody at chelsea did and his leaving had nothing to do with jose personally nor did kdb leaving.

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11 Apr 2018 19:03:49
Looks like I’m massively in the minority but if it were a simple case (which it isn’t of course, with £/ age factors) of Martial or Bale, I’d have Bale every time. So he’s much older, past his prime and with a questionable injury history. But he’s still got plenty left in the tank. Martial was a panic buy worth nothing like what was paid and has never been as good as his debut against Liverpool. Next Henry? Give me a break, he’s not on the same planet.

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11 Apr 2018 19:14:35
Again Jred its about if Martial can be happy being part of the squad then he should stay but if he wants more game and if Mourinho isn't going to give him assurance then for his own career he should move elsewhere to get the game time he badly desires.

I would keep him if i was in charge at the club but i am not and i am here debating with you like many others.

You can't keep everyone happy and if Martial really wants to fight for his place and like mentioned in the media the contract is on the table foe him then he should sign it and fight for his player like everyone else.

If i was him personally i would make a move and get the game time i so badly want.

There are so many good clubs around the world he can make a name wirh foe himself.

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11 Apr 2018 21:19:51
Singh
You seem to of given a lot of reasons to get rid of him.

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11 Apr 2018 22:48:26
I don’t really post on here much just like reading everyone’s opinions but this thread is ridiculous.

Also I don’t know if you guys played football or if you did to what standard but if I was either martial or Rashford I’d be looking to the likes of Sanchez and Lukaku etc and saying help me. Looking at these players day in day out should show you what you need to improve yourself.

Martial has bags of potential BUT does he want to fight for his place and prove that he deserves to stay there? Does he try and adapt his game to fit playing right wing? Is he trying to develop himself after training etc or does he go home straight away? We don’t know the answers to these questions so therefore we don’t have that much knowledge on the matter.

I also seem to remember an attacking midfielder that had was better than Wayne Rooney when we signed him, he had bags of potential to. that was ANDERSON. Great potential turned into an average player.

Talent doesn’t automatically mean your going to be a star, you still have to work and dedicate yourself to the game so that you can maximise your potential e.g Ronaldo.

I don’t want him to leave but the club may see him strolling around in training not over bothered, bad attitude etc, not willing to learn blah blah blah. They are in the best possible position to make a decision on getting rid of him.

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11 Apr 2018 23:15:15
Gazza91 top post that.

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12 Apr 2018 08:29:54
Gaza
If that was the case why would they offer him a new contract.

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12 Apr 2018 16:21:11
So if the player wants to leave should we keep him jred?

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12 Apr 2018 18:18:11
Ken
If he wants to leave and won't sign a contract then it would be best to let him go .

But all this we should sell because of x y z are a bit silly imo .
If there were not rumours in the papers very few would want to sell a very talented young player .

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12 Apr 2018 23:09:22
I wanted him to go on loan this season i feared that this would be The situation if he didn't. He actually got more game time than i thought he would be given.
He does have potential and now we are 1 year further down the line and we are none the wiser and he is no closer to fulfilling that potential if he had a hreat season in italy or spain then at least he would be coming back proven and confident and be a more rounded and experienced player. But now starved of meaningful gametime we have forced him into a corner.
But to be fair he hasn't forced himself into the team either.
Hindsight is 20/ 20 vision i suppose.

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13 Apr 2018 10:13:03
He has been offered a 5 year contract which talks you a lot .
40 appearances so far in the EPL only lukaku has scored more
If he had went out on loan would he of gained more than that?
Who would of taking up the slack of him not being here?
How would his situation now of been any different, lukaku Sanchez etc would still be at the club he would still want reasurrences over his playing time .
New contract with a lot of other options as he is a top player, big decision .

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07 Apr 2018 10:13:12
Hey 002, any chance of a quick summary of summer ins and outs?

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{Ed002's Note - Remind me later in the week please.}

09 Apr 2018 12:49:33
I look forward to this thank ed002 much appreciated 👍👏.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Dave.}

11 Apr 2018 21:04:18
Is it late enough in the week for this one Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - Sunday afternoon is better.}

15 Apr 2018 14:18:56
Is this possible now ed2?

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - I will try and do it this evening when I get to the hotel.}

15 Apr 2018 15:26:45
Thanks a lot ed2, you're a genius.

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06 Apr 2018 17:43:38
Everyone seen what Pep has just said about Raiola, Pogba and Mkhi?

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{Ed002's Note - I told you Pogba was being offered to other clubs.}

06 Apr 2018 20:22:19
Cant get my head around this. Completely ambivalent about Pogba leaving, but my malaise is how United look more and more stupid in each passing transfer window.

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06 Apr 2018 20:47:41
Say what 😆😆 Didn't Harry Redknapp sign them two for QPR Ambivalent and Malaise 😆😆.

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06 Apr 2018 20:52:50
Pogba can go if he wants he hasn't really been moving trees at our club.

There are tons of talented players out there.

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06 Apr 2018 20:56:46
Lovely timing to come out an say that. Another dirty trick by that dirty cheat.

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{Ed025's Note - mind games mort, you had the best in the business with SAF and jose is not far behind....so dirty cheat may be a bit stones and glass houses mate..

06 Apr 2018 18:08:25
just shows how much an agent runs a players carer.

obviously pogba doesn't want to be here, so sell him if that is the case.

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{Ed002's Note - it is rather more the norm than you think. It is nothing more than MU be8ng offered Bale.}

06 Apr 2018 18:12:06
although from pogbas social media activity he seems to have no clue about it.


ed would an agent offer a player around without first making him aware?

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{Ed002's Note - perhaps, but Pogba knows what is happening.}

06 Apr 2018 18:27:54
It just proves that the players and agents live in cloud cuckoo land. The star player couldn’t handle being dropped because he believes he is world class and needs his pathetic ego massaging. Riola sees another payday. Hate how the game has gone.

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{Ed002's Note - it is more a case of “this is how it is.” Players are transient. If a player is struggling then other options will be looked at.}

06 Apr 2018 18:37:56
Ed002-its just as well pogba came to united for no other reason than his desire to play for the club, and not for the money and the fact that he gets more flex over here to indulge that cheeky youthful rascal that he is!

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{Ed002's Note - The Pogba deal to go elsewhere - two other interested side- took the MU route over fees and total price to the club. MU were naive, the others were not.}

06 Apr 2018 19:44:32
Any takers Ed?

Also is Pogba happy or looking to move? Personally I don’t think he’s suited to either Man Utd under JM or the EPL. SMS may be a decent replacement.

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{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer if he is happy or not.}

06 Apr 2018 21:48:51
Ed, is that by the agent or the club though? Surely that is a breach of some sort no? I guess this will rumble on now throughout the summer. Shame if we lose him, such a mess as usual.

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{Ed002's Note - No, it is what agents do, how clubs buy players.}

06 Apr 2018 23:13:26
Let's hope it backfires on pep.

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06 Apr 2018 23:41:59
Fair enough Ed. How do you see it panning out?

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{Ed002's Note - A good question. Not sure anyone would take him at the asking price.)

06 Apr 2018 21:48:47
Ed025. if it's a lie by Pep then I'm not sure SAF ever stooped quite this low. If its the truth then he's entitled to do so isn't he?

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{Ed025's Note - all is fair in love, war and football they say timbo, i remember fergie almost giving keegan a nervous breakdown with mind games mate..

07 Apr 2018 08:04:55
I don't think it is any surprise to be honest. Would people like shot or Jose to stick with the player .

Pogba was Jose star buy.

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07 Apr 2018 08:12:00
I can see him being offered around but not to that lot. Sanchez has changed things for him at Utd. Pogba needs to be in the attacking mid role linking up with Lukaku but Jose sticks Sanchez there instead of putting him on the left or right. Maybe today he will answer Pepsi by grabbing the winner 😆😆.

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07 Apr 2018 00:20:51
Just out of interest what's the asking price please Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - The figure is unrelated to what Manchester United would receive from any transfer - it is rather higher. It is no different from the deal Manchester United signed up to when the two other interested sides would not go near the deal Mino was demanding.}

07 Apr 2018 10:15:30
Its what some agents do- people with no talent, pushing talent, to make lots of money.
Ed002- if you could please; is there anything in the pipeline with EPL, FA or UEFA etc etc to try and control agents within a regulatory body or the like?

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{Ed002's Note - I think you are over generalising. There are already significant regulations in place. I am not sure what problem you see with the process.}

07 Apr 2018 19:47:45
Should have taken that deal pep, wouldn't have come to bite you back today.

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