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25 May 2017 12:20:46
Hi Eds,

You mentioned a few weeks back that Herrera may be available after an incident between him and Mourinho. I'm hoping that has settled down now but there's fresh talk of Barcelona wanting him especially since Ernesto Valverde has worked with him previously.

Is there any truth in this?

Wazza

{Ed002's Note - Yes there is. Even though the issue has been resolved and Herrera is intended to stay, Ernesto Valverde has him as one of the players he has identified to Barcelona that he would like them to try and get. Barcelona has a negotiating difficulty right now so it may not happen immediately.}


1.) 25 May 2017 12:38:33
Thanks 002.

It would be a shame to lose a player of his quality just as he enters his peak years.

With just over a year left on his contract do you know if talks are ongoing?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea about contract talks Wazza. The situation is as I have explained.}


2.) 25 May 2017 13:03:07
This makes sense. When I've watched his interview regarding Captaincy and a few others around that time, he looked very off and down. As if he knew in the long run he wasn't committing himself for us! I hope he stays. Is De Gea RM no1 target ed/ s? Thank you.

{Ed002's Note - Real Madrid wanted someone else but have settled on de Gea at this time. They have a back up plan as well but that is not going well for them.}


3.) 25 May 2017 13:14:03
Thank you as always Ed.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Wazza.}


4.) 25 May 2017 16:48:00
Cr92, with all respect, how do you know Herrera's mind by him looking down during the interview? Maybe he was just looking for the right words in English.


5.) 25 May 2017 18:48:28
Looking abit off, not his usual bubbly enthusiastic self. I don't want him to go but and it could've jus been that he doesn't feel like he deserves the captaincy or like he's ready for it.


 

 

17 May 2017 18:34:45
Hi Eds, is Tielmens to Monaco a done deal or is there a chance another team such as MU could steal the deal?

Asking for a friend.

Wazza

{Ed004's Note - He's a goner I'm afraid...}


1.) 17 May 2017 21:57:56
Your friend wouldn't be Ronnie?


 

 

18 Jan 2017 18:35:17
Lyon have had a bid accepted for Depay, £21.7m

Wazza

 

 

11 Aug 2016 11:00:58
According to many (internet) sources, Mata and Januzaj are "to leave". There may be some truth in there, any info from the Eds?

Wazza

{Ed004's Note - I think Januzaj is set to leave (loan or permanent - not sure), however Mata will most likely leave}


1.) 11 Aug 2016 11:30:02
Before this window, i wanted to keep Mata. i like him as a bloke and a player! `But given the new signings and their style of play, he doesn't seem to fit in as well now and the opportunities to sign new players in the forthcoming windows will leave him on the bench.

he should move to Serie A, its made for him there!


2.) 11 Aug 2016 12:33:57
Thanks Ed. It would be a shame to see Mata go when he eventually does, he's a solid player, only a couple yards of pace short of being a great, I'm sure most wish him all the best as he deserves to be in a team where he plays every week.

{Ed004's Note - Meant to say he's most likely staying sorry. Hopefully he replaces Rooney in the team over the course of the season}


3.) 11 Aug 2016 12:50:08
Ed004 did you meant to type Mata most likely not leave?

{Ed004's Note - Yes I did. Should've read over it before posting}


4.) 11 Aug 2016 13:20:26
If Mourinho plays 4-3-3 which suits Pogba the best then I can see Mata in the midfield 3. Alongside Pogba and Herrera / Schneiderlin.
If 4-2-3-1 then Mata replaces Rooney.


5.) 11 Aug 2016 13:22:35
I'd put Mata in there in place of Rooney at times but I don't think we can afford to start Zlatan, Rooney and Mata in the same XI. We'd be painfully slow.


6.) 11 Aug 2016 13:38:21
Mata I would like to stay and fight out the 10 role with Miki who can also play right or left. I think we have to wait for Jose to lose patience with Rooney or Rooney has got to start delivering good performances which ever comes first.


7.) 11 Aug 2016 13:44:04
If there is no10 kind of formation. I will prefer Mata any day over Rooney.


8.) 11 Aug 2016 16:13:10
mata is another kagawa done nothing to prove he should be starting .
had chances last season @10 when rooney was injured and was really poor . looked better out wide .
not surprised he struggling to get in the team to be honest, jose knows what he is doing .

i hope jose picks the best players, never get all this i hope x player is dropped or y player is sold .

in jose we trust (unless its something ee don't agree with )


9.) 11 Aug 2016 16:39:24
so u agree jred that rooney shouldn't be picked bcz he definitely isn't near our best players, i knew even u would see the light someday ;-)


10.) 11 Aug 2016 16:50:35
common
i go with flow, you might think you know better than jose lvg and co .
im wise enough to know i don't .
jose will pick the best team based on ability, training ground tactics and the opposition, as well as other thinks .

i support united, i want the team to do well not induvidual players .


11.) 11 Aug 2016 16:52:23
common
you really belive you know better than the manager.

dear me.


12.) 11 Aug 2016 17:36:05
jred this is a banter site, if we all go with manager knows best then i don't see the reason of having a banter site, as manager knows the best so no use discussing anything, all rooney supporters blame lvg for bad football, bad signings, playing players out of position, but with rooney, lvg knows best i guess.


13.) 11 Aug 2016 18:08:24
so do you know better?
we have a great attacking unit, a bit of everything in there can't wait for the season to start.
different options and tactics hope they all do well

dont get united supports who just slag there players off.
season hasn't even kicked off.
i honestly think some would like players and united to have a bad game so they can say i told you so.


14.) 11 Aug 2016 18:21:03
rodio
if there is no 10 role i don't think either will fit in.


15.) 11 Aug 2016 18:30:06
jred whatever u think is your opinion and u are entitled to it, my first was a joke which why the wink emoji, but i don't think there is a tactic in the world that uses lack of pace combined with bad first touch and bad positional play as a template for success.


16.) 11 Aug 2016 18:44:28
common
it is about opinions and i don't think rooney is any where near as bad as you make out .
if he is, why is he england and united captain .
why did lvg pick him jose (so far) and woy.
is there a chance your a bit of the mark

we look to have a really good team this year, i can't wait untill the season kicks of, i hope we play well who ever is on the pitch .
i just don't get united supporters slagging the players before a ball has been kicked .

{Ed041's Note - Rooney is nowhere near as good as he used to be. This is down to him. But the level he is held to compared to other who have done nowhere near as much for United is a joke. Watch the Rio meets Rooney interview. I thought he came across very well.


17.) 11 Aug 2016 19:08:01
ed i agree with that pal.


18.) 12 Aug 2016 10:29:16
Unfortunately have to disagree. Out of our starting eleven he is possibly our biggest weak link. He's a forward who doesn't score or really create anymore (bar the odd penalty, take them away and it looks horrendous), he is sloppy in possession and I don't see what he offers. Our GK - world class, Valencia and Shaw are solid enough although Valencia may again prove suspect against a good winger, Bailly looks very promising, Smalling was overall good enough last season and has good speed, height and strength, pogba we will see, Herrera for me is under rated and under used, martial had a good first season and zlatan and Mikki come with good records elsewhere so hopefully they provide.


19.) 12 Aug 2016 13:00:22
I think our fans really overrate Herrera. He's played tens of matches and does next to nothing in most of them, yet everyone says he needs "more chances" etc. Don't get it tbh. I'd be selling him before I sell Mata.


20.) 12 Aug 2016 13:00:22
I think our fans really overrate Herrera. He's played tens of matches and does next to nothing in most of them, yet everyone says he needs "more chances" etc. Don't get it tbh. I'd be selling him before I sell Mata.


21.) 12 Aug 2016 08:04:53
ed041 rooney is rightly compared to people he replaces in the team, he isn't a better striker than zlatan or rashford, he isn't a better no 10 than mata or mkhitaryan, and nor is he a better mf than herrera, schneiderlin or pogba. His stats are what he was not what he is, rooney supporters want him judged on those rather than his recent performances, but shouldn't he be judged on his ability today rather than his ability few years ago. Yes he is the second highest goalscorer in history of utd, but is he capable of being the 2nd highest goalscorer in the current team this season, sadly i don't think so.

{Ed041's Note - I didn't say he was better than those you have mentioned. I was pointing out how I thought his standards seems to set a lot higher than others. Do we know he's not better than Zlatan or Mkhitaryan? We all thought Di Maria was amazing then half way through the season saw Ashley Young and Mata playing infront of him.


22.) 12 Aug 2016 15:48:21
I can't predict future ed, but analysing the last season or seasons isn't difficult, zlatan has a great first touch and good ability on the ball something rooney lacks. If a comparison is to be made di Maria is the best comparison to zlatan, anonymous from time to time but he will produce a moment of genius to win us games, again something rooney has mostly forgotten, i can't remember anything of note last season other than his effort to get us that equaliser in the final, that is not good enough for a guy on 300k.

Mkhitaryan has better vision and ability on the ball and a lot more pace than rooney, only place where rooney is better is his finishing as mkhi is pretty poor at it whatever the stats might say.

Di maria would have got us top 4 last season, he is exactly the sort of player one needs to unlock defenses which was our issue last season, he wasn't poor for us as people suggest, iirc he got more assist than anyone else even if playing lesser games, his sale was more down to lvg and add to that his wanting psg.

{Ed041's Note - again im not suggesting either is not better and imo Rooney shouldnt start all im saying is people seem to judge Rooney totally different to other united players and pick up on any mistake he make whereas other get a pass


23.) 12 Aug 2016 17:08:45
he was the second higest scorer last season .
herrera schniders and mata where no better .
ed is bang on.


24.) 12 Aug 2016 17:29:51
ed he is judged differently bcz he seems to be treated differently, herrera plays badly he is dropped same with mata or schneiderlin, with rooney it is when fit he plays, his performances don't matter like everybody else's and he is the highest paid premier league player, if u get paid highest u are expected to perform at the similar level too.

{Ed041's Note - what he gets paid is irrelevant imo, he plays because up until this summer we had no other options. I expect he will be finding out now if he doesn't perform he won't play.


25.) 12 Aug 2016 17:33:59
common
why do you care what rooney gets paid?
its not our money like everyone said when we bought pogba.

also you have just posted on the banter page
". who knows or cares, we got the player we wanted, woodward would not have sanction it if we thought it was excessive. "

the ed has summed up what I've been saying for a while now.


26.) 13 Aug 2016 04:36:50
We can all hope that will be case ed, jred u do love quoting people don't u, what i said was in relation to issues that led to madrid backing off and us agreeing with juve on the same not on what he is paid, we know what we paid for him and i will judge him on that, if u are a world record buy u need to perform like one too.

Jred again rooney is treated differently but then so is every one, reaction to rojo costing us a goal and smalling or blind costing us a goal will be different, one has been consistently bad so will get panned a bit more while the other 2 are mostly decent so wll get less slack. It is not bias it is simply a sort of goodwill from your previous performance and rooney has used most of his in last 3-4 seasons, rooney has been poor but still gets preferential treatment which others while bieng less worse don't.


27.) 13 Aug 2016 11:59:10
common
thats in your opinion.
in others maybe its not preferential treatment and he is just a better option than mata or herrera for example .
maybe your just wrong and the managers are right .
as the ed has said, while being below par he has still been a better option (even if u can't accept that ) .
you don't just drop a player, the player coming in has to be a better option
he, like every other player will have to play well this season tho to get a start .


so pogba is now the most expensive player in the world and that's how you wil judge him?
so if he isn't better than messi and co you will be saying he had a bad game. let's see how long that last.


 

 

09 Aug 2016 19:17:14
Fee agreed with Sunderland for McNair according to SSN.

Wazza

1.) 09 Aug 2016 19:47:54
And Donald love -full back. double deal. now on sky.


2.) 09 Aug 2016 20:23:38
I think we will see a few departures in the coming weeks to trim the wage bill. McNair and Love decent players but not United quality.


3.) 09 Aug 2016 20:48:07
I hope Januzaj follows on a permanent deal too. Problem with him is, what's he worth? He's got the talent but an attitude problem of equal abundance.


4.) 09 Aug 2016 21:20:14
Someone will surely take a £15m punt on him?


5.) 09 Aug 2016 21:43:55
If Bolasie is £30 million he's at least £20 million.


6.) 09 Aug 2016 22:35:36
Jordan Ibe went for 15m.


7.) 09 Aug 2016 23:16:56
Just need to find someone gullible enough to buy him for £20 million Fresh!


8.) 10 Aug 2016 01:59:02
If Bolasies worth 30M, that makes Januzaj 7M at max! I'm not rating Bolasie to be a worldie or anything, but he's got miles on Januzaj that's for sure. Ones proven and will do it most weeks, has full backs scared of him, and the others unrpoven, seems sulky, has an attitude and right now a waste of talent!

Seeing Ibes go for 15M tho makes you think 20M easy for Januzaj lol.


9.) 10 Aug 2016 08:05:54
Moyes has mug writen all over his face 15m for Adnan would be about right lol.


10.) 10 Aug 2016 08:36:46
I got lashed on these pages 2 years ago and again last Summer for suggesting adnan should be sold and that he won't make it here at United.
He is not as good as ibe and bollaise
There is potential there no doubt perhaps selling him will give him a dose of reality and give him the kick up the arse required for him to fulfil his potential elsewhere. But i doubt it.


11.) 10 Aug 2016 09:39:10
Bolasie is a proven premier league player. Ibe has done nothing! Adnan the same apart from a handful of games. Off to Sunderland for a season under Moyes would be perfect for him and hopefully come back a more mature footballer and person.


12.) 10 Aug 2016 10:06:16
One thing is for sure. We should ensure a buy back clause is in all these deals just in case any of them reach there potential. Two or three years of 1st team football could add huge amounts to the value of Januzai, just look a the price of recent transfers. If we could sell him for 10mil and get him back a lot better player for a set price I wouldn't complain.


13.) 10 Aug 2016 10:07:37
I think Sunderland and Januzai could be a good fit. A manager who rates him and has already shown he can get a good turn out of him.
For me he is currently worth £5-10m. Lots of talent but an appalling attitude and belief in his own self worth.
Bolasie has shown for Palace what he is capable of this past couple of years so no comparison for me.
We would all love Januzai to stay and make it. on that basis his value would rocket. But seems he does not have it in the head. both us and Dortmund can't both be wrong about that.


14.) 10 Aug 2016 12:54:15
bolasie has 9 goals and 13 assists for crystal palace in 143 appearances, so how he is being signed for 30mn is beyond me, he isn't worth 13 let alone 30. By that logic adnan is atleast worth 20-25, and those who are saying he is prem proven, only thing bolasie has proven is he is rubbish.


15.) 10 Aug 2016 14:48:16
Bloasie is a good player he is far more important to Westham then Januzaj is to us.


16.) 10 Aug 2016 14:44:39
Sky have reported that Januzaj is expected to go out on loan for first team football rather than be sold. "Sources" also expect Mata to be staying.

goo.gl/wL3odB


17.) 10 Aug 2016 15:48:30
How about Mou manage to get his attitude right and he becomes a regular? Chances?


 

 

 

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20 Jun 2017 13:57:53
I'm concerned with the lack of rumours around wide players this summer despite being 2 months away from the start of the season.

I think the wide positions are those that need addressing most. What we've seen (thanks in a large part to Moyes and LVG) is too many central players signed. We've been guilty for 3+ years now of playing people out of position and it's resulted in our style of play being slow and boring, we're not playing with the width we used to due to not having specialists in the attacking positions.

Miki - best position as a 10, played out wide and has failed to make a position his own.
Mata - best position as a 10 but has been played mostly on the right.
Pogba - best position as furtest forward in a midfield 3 and arguably the only player in this list played in his natural position.
Martial - best position striker but has been played mostly on the left.
Rashford - best position striker but has been played mostly on the left.
Pereira - returning after loan and again played as a 10 but may get some minutes played out wide this season.
Fellaini - says himself he wants to play off the striker but is nowhere near the level to dislodge any of the above from an attacking position.

Rooney - I'm not even sure what to say, I stuck by him longer than most but now is the time for him to move on.
Lingard - wants to play as a 10 but isn't good enough to make the position his own. He's a good squad player and should be used in cup games and give 45/ 60 minutes against teams lower in the league to keep him happy and fresh

Then to arguably our only two 'natural' wingers:
Valencia - Poor final ball and too predictable to play as a right winger, has become Mr Reliable at right back, but we need another RB bringing in to compete with him as we'll likely play 60 games again this coming season.
Young - Never really been at the level required but again he's been reliable when called upon, totally professional and good backup, but again in an unnatural position t left back.

Then our full backs:
Shaw - It's on him and him only now.
Darmian - Good tackler but gives nothing going forward.
Rojo - natural position is not LB.
Blindnatural position is not LB.
TFM - natural position is not RB.
Tuanzabe - natural position is not RB.

Wide players linked with:
Perisic - 28, seems a short term fix and I believe that is exactly what we need as we are really struggling for natural wide players but we need more than 1.
Semedo - Haven't seen anything more than paper talk, other than 002's Sharkopod.

Taking all of that into consideration I'm surprised we're not linked with more wide players. I know Jose hasn't really had enough time to bring his own players in but i'm still surprised that he's not prioritising these positions. Or maybe he sees things differently and that's why he's manager.

After 3 seasons of playing people out of position and watching boring football it's surely time to concentrate on specialists and have a team that picks itself in big games, much like we have been used to seeing in years gone by.

Wazza

1.) 20 Jun 2017 14:02:59
With Rooney leaving and Shaw injured, we are definitely short a few wide players.

{Ed025's Note - love it danny..


2.) 20 Jun 2017 14:26:03
:-D hahaha.


3.) 20 Jun 2017 14:38:42
Wazza you spend too much time worrying 🤣.


4.) 20 Jun 2017 14:39:39
Danny-brilliant.
But agree with Wazza and we've been saying this for some time.


5.) 20 Jun 2017 15:37:07
Going on the rumours Peresic seems likely, he looks a good addition if he comes in and is someone who wants to be out on the touchline rather than always coming in.
I have said previously that I see Willian being a target of Jose. Again not a sexy purchase but he works hard, jose knows what he is getting with him and I think as part of the team Jose builds he would be a good addition. Plus he can score a decent free kick.


6.) 20 Jun 2017 15:38:44
Saw a picture of Shaw at Phil Jones wedding at the weekend and thought how bulky he looked -across the chest he is just out of proportion - yet the caption underneath was "slimline shaw. and went on to say he is back in training looking fit and slimmed down .

Valencia is built like a boxer but in proportion . Shaw just looks odd.


7.) 20 Jun 2017 16:57:53
Didn't martial play left even when lvg was managing how exactly do you know ST is his best position given that he did not play much for monaco and excelled for us at lw, mkhi too flopped at no 10 for klopp and the season he was brilliant for tuchel he played mostly on the wings not as no 10. I think you need to calm down the window ends 31st august, i think there is enough time to be linked to a few wide players and may be even sign them.


8.) 20 Jun 2017 18:12:27
CSM, I'm totally calm, don't worry about me.

Martial is a striker by trade and Miki has said himself he prefers to play centrally 👍🏼.


9.) 20 Jun 2017 18:21:28
Wazza,

A lot can happen in 2 days in football never mind 2 months so there is no point worrying at the moment.

Also, this team that picked itself in years gone by with players in the correct positions won the CL in 1999 with Blomqvist on the right wing and Beckham centre mid. Not saying we don't need specialists but just saying it hasn't always been as straight forward as people will have you believe.


10.) 20 Jun 2017 18:33:06
the wide players will be the fullbacks. semedo and martin :)


11.) 20 Jun 2017 18:43:55
Agree GDS2 plenty of time left and I alluded to that in my OP. I'm just saying I'm a little surprised at the lack of wide players we've been linked with so far. As the season was coming to a close I fully expected the wide positions to be addressed as a priority. Be nice to have a couple of flair players again who get us on our feet every time they get on the ball.


12.) 20 Jun 2017 21:09:52
Wazza, last year we were linked to over 50 players, none of whom were Bailly, so who knows what is going on n the background.


13.) 20 Jun 2017 22:05:11
I don't mind martial or rash on the left side wazza if a striker comes in, I like others would love someone with a bit stardust on the right side of attack, I like searing pace or great dribbling ability in this position but I guess one of my favs Beckham had neither, I hope we do have plans for this position.


 

 

19 Jun 2017 18:03:54
Seems it's the same 2 players being spoken about on here for what seems like forever so to mix things up a bit, as silly season is in full flow who would you like like to see signed in the following positions: RB, DM, Winger, Forward.

RB: Trippier
DM: Milinkovic-Savic
Winger: Sanchez (and give him no 7)
Forward: Aubameyang.

Wazza

{Ed004's Note - Semedo, Fabinho/Dier, Dembele and Morata}


1.) 19 Jun 2017 18:21:37
Semedo is a good shout 004. I considered him but I always like us to sign English players despite the slim pickings. Considered Dier as well but he seems to split opinion on here and Savic has looked excellent the few times I've seen him. Would prefer Savic to Fabinho.


2.) 19 Jun 2017 18:39:15
You'd rather Spurs' reserve right back over one of the world's top rated right backs in Europe just because he's English?

Let's swap Morata and buy Vardy in that case whilst we're at it. The. You say you don't want Dier but David instead?


3.) 19 Jun 2017 18:40:53
Savic not David obvs.


4.) 19 Jun 2017 19:26:48
Eric, trippier had a great season and I think he'd improve us. The fact he's English just appeals to my romantic side, don't lose any sleep over it. I haven't seen a lot of Semedo to say I'd definitely have him over Trippier.

He's also not Spurs' reserve RB. He dislodged Walker towards the end of the season and now Spurs are happy to let Walker go. What does that tell you?


5.) 19 Jun 2017 19:49:11
Tells me they won't sell trippier as well Wazza 😂.


6.) 19 Jun 2017 19:54:14
😂 Good point Ken.


7.) 19 Jun 2017 22:50:47
To be fair Wazza, I've never rated Walker either as a defender.


 

 

16 Jun 2017 12:00:51
The forward position is definitely a problem and the go-to solution is to buy a new striker. I agree we need one based on the current crop of players.

But would that position be so desperate if we had excellent wide players?

If we had a top right and left winger I'd be happy going into the season with Rashford and Martial competing for the centre forward position.

If our wingers were (players similar to) Sanchez and Bale I'd have no problem if Martial or Rashford started the season as the focal point between those two. If we had 2 wingers of that quality playing 70-80% of games they would chip in with plenty of goals adding to the 20 or so that Martial or Rashford would get playing between top class wingers.

Wazza

1.) 16 Jun 2017 12:11:53
You're not a fan of Morata are you Wazza.


2.) 16 Jun 2017 12:22:43
Wazza
I would like that aswell, I think away from home or against teams that opened up a bit against us it could work great . At home against park the bus merchants with no space behind we may need a plan b though. Perhaps a bit more strength and aerial ability to get on the end of things wide players like u mentioned would create, even if it's just a flat track bully who can deal with the lesser teams which was what caused us the loss of so many wins last season . Now all we have to do is get Sanchez and bale, I knew there would be a snag.


3.) 16 Jun 2017 12:23:21
Morata is the new Rooney on here, he's always mentioned in a reply regardless of the OP subject 😂

In all seriousness though I would take someone like Sanchez or Aubameyang ahead of him all day long.


4.) 16 Jun 2017 12:30:39
Slate - If we signed a DM it would allow Pogba more freedom which would give us extra height in the box. Rashford is 6'2" and will fill out in the next couple of years. I think we'll be keeping the wig too as out midfield numbers are light, so I think we'd still have enough height through the middle.

I'd love for us to sign a couple of top wingers. Depay was brought in to excite and create but it didn't work out and we haven't really replaced that position as so many other positions have needed addressing.


5.) 16 Jun 2017 12:58:02
I agree with u wazza I'd love to see a couple of world class wide men more than a new striker . We have lots of really good players out wide but out of position and players like u mentioned would make us look pretty formidable ahead of the likes of Herrera pogba and a new dm . There are loads of teams this year tho who may park the bus at old Trafford I'd still like a plan b striker great in the air for them days when huth or someone like that are dominant against crosses as if the wide men u mentioned were playing the ball may well be flying into the box often . Don't miss understand though that would only be a way with world class wide men and just a plan b against defensive teams turning old Trafford into the alamo. I'd be okay with martial or rashford as plan a same as u.


6.) 16 Jun 2017 13:54:17
Wazza,

Even the old United teams have had strikers who have been able to put the ball in the back of the net, on a consistent basis. The Andy Cole's, the Yorke's, Rooney (yes, him) and Van Nistelrooy. Yes, they've had wingers who have given them inch-perfect passes to convert those chances, but substituting them for average strikers wouldn't have worked.

In today's scenario, where you probably don't get as many chances to score or even open the oppositions, it is imperative to have a striker that has the ability to convert those chances. No matter who your wingers are, if your striker can't convert those chances, then the is no point in having world class wingers.

Now, I don't think Sanchez would be an out and out winger for us. He plays through the middle for Arsenal and I doubt that he'll be willing to sacrifice his striker role and play as a winger.

Rashford and Martial have been a hit and miss this past season. They are still learning and still growing, so they will take time to mature and become better players. but, I doubt that we have the time to play another season with average strikers and not great ones.


7.) 16 Jun 2017 15:10:50
Raghav,

The players you mentioned have been flanked by Giggs, Beckham Ronaldo, even Park was effective.

We currently don't have a single out and out winger in the first team. Martial and Rashford are playing out of position. I'm confident if they were flanked by the aforementioned players they'd improve and settle into the position.

We're also relying too heavily on our CM's to create. Our OOP wingers are drifting inside to their natural positions and it's getting overcrowded. Having good wingers would create more space for our CM's as oppositin full backs would be drawn out. This was a big problem last season, opposition defences were so narrow because they had no reason to move apart thus leaving very little space in the channels.


8.) 17 Jun 2017 09:11:29
Wazza,

I get your point, mate. I know we haven't had wingers of the quality that we have had in the past.

Yes, whoever has played on the wing in the last season and even in the previous seasons have had the tendency to cut inside rather than beat the fullback and cross the ball.

Our CMs have had to do the majority of the work because like you said, the quality of wingers is really poor and even our fullbacks can't cross the ball.

What I was trying to convey in my earlier post was that, we can't just have a team of world-class wingers and average strikers, we need to have a mix of wingers and strikers. None of our current strikers, apart from Rashford on an given day, have the ability to beat their man and that I feel needs to change as well.


 

 

15 Jun 2017 17:20:51
This transfer window is already highlighting something I've thought for a while. There is a real lack of 'world class' talent around.

That's not a term I use lightly either. Compared to the 90's when you could probably pick out dozens of genuine world class players, today there seems to be a real lack of top quality talent.

Is it a case of Ronaldo and Messi have set the bar too high and others can't match their output, thus making others look not as good as they actually are? Has the money in the game taken the gloss off players? I remember so many national sides of the 90's made up of so much talent.

That's got me thinking about the players we are linked with and the crazy money involved. Morata for £80 million, for example (and this isn't a Morata bashing post, or about money, btw) .

You would expect, even in todays market to be getting a game changer for that price. But after Ronldo and Messi I can't think of too many players in the world who would justify such an investment. Griezmann, Suarez (peaked), Bale (injury prone) and maybe only 1 or 2 more.

20 years ago if you equalled the world record transfer fee you could probably pick out 50 players to put in that bracket; Zidane, Ronaldo, Seedorf, Batistuta, Figo, Nesta, Inzaghi, Rivaldo, Nedved, Davids, Maldini, Del Piero, Baggio, Kluivert, Laudrup, Weah, Giggs, Scholes, I could go on. They'd all come in and massively improve any team in the world.

Is there a genuine lack of real world class talent today?

Wazza

1.) 15 Jun 2017 18:33:58
I think there are just as many world class players nowadays, it's just that there are a lot more teams dining at the big table and flush with cash. I'm sure if someone looked at the numbers that we've always spent X amount of our turnover on players. Now as we keep getting more and more money, that percentage stays the same but the X amount goes up.

I'll agree that there are more cash rich clubs than world class players, so what you get then is the second or third tier players go for obscene sums. Supply and demand at its finest. The bubble will eventually burst but until it does, expect the transfer figures to grow and grow.


2.) 15 Jun 2017 18:39:51
That depends on how you measure talent. The problem today is that people tend to measure talent on money. It's us the fans that have complicated the game by talking rather blabbering about money. For me it's damn simple, leave the money to who handles it and sit back and enjoy the game.

We got Pogba for a certain amount and Herrera for some other amount. Who is to say Herrera isn't as talented as Pogba?

There is still a lot of talent around. Dybala? Kane? Alli? Isco? De Gea? Courtouis? Hazard? And I could go on with such players. We need to simplify by seeing what they do on the pitch rather than their cost which are decided by the market. It's a seller's market after all.


3.) 15 Jun 2017 18:43:59
That's a good point Mumbles regarding transfer budget compared to turnover. I don't really know if the bubble will burst or what will happen if it does. You are right about more cash rich clubs.

However, I don't agree that there are as many world class players. Who are they? I can't think of maybe 10 who I would call genuinely world class.


4.) 15 Jun 2017 18:56:56
a lot of people judge it on the most recent bestest player ever -the players the players wazza mentions did it year on year . to me that's world class.


5.) 15 Jun 2017 19:26:51
I think you've missed the point of the post Shan.

It's not about the actual transfer fee, but about the standard of player who justifies a world record transfer (or close to) today compared to years gone by. There isn't enough players today who make you think 'yep, he's worth it'.

boyfromburrenway - that is one of the key factors for a world class player. It's why I don't think hazard is world class in fact I'd put him in the 3rd tier of players, well behind Griezmann, Suarez etc because his last few seasons, one of them he was well off the boil for a full year and last year while he was good he wasn't exceptional.


6.) 15 Jun 2017 19:28:13
Wazza posted something the same myself yesterday people are trying to make superstars out of players might be good compared to the other players out there but are no where near the level of what's gone before.


7.) 15 Jun 2017 19:38:51
That's my thoughts as well jred. The pool of the top players is not very big and I don't know why. Is it because Messi and Ronaldo are so good (the best 2 players ever imo) or is it something else.

Don't get me wrong I think the overall standard of football is a lot better than ever before and maybe that's a contributing factor - the gap between world class and mediocre is smaller than it has been before.


8.) 16 Jun 2017 00:52:42
Perhaps advances in diet, training methodology and commitment, and tactics have made it look like there is less talent out there while in fact, the opposite is true, there is more. It's easier for talent to be neutralized. It's only when there is a surfeit of it in one team in relation to the rest of the league, that a few players get to stand out.


 

 

28 May 2017 18:03:15
Ed004, you mention Dier a lot and I too rate him highly. He's a team player and he likes to get stuck in, and his time in Portugal has done no harm for his technical ability.

Do you think we have a chance of signing him?

Wazza

{Ed004's Note - I'm hoping we do now that it looks likely that Fabinho is heading elsewhere. I think it'll be hard to negotiate with Levy though especially if Walker and Rose want to leave. He's one of those players that'll allow other players like Pogba to be more attacking minded, very good defensively, good on the ball and a very serious threat from set pieces}


1.) 28 May 2017 18:09:50
Where's Fabinho heading ed?

{Ed004's Note - If I was to guess it looks like Man City}


2.) 28 May 2017 18:37:50
Silva, Mendy and Fab. I must have missed the official announcement that Monaco had become their feeder club.

Not good.


3.) 28 May 2017 18:35:42
Jesus they mean business. They'll be the team to beat next year. Jesus looks a player too, with Jesus, Aguero, both Silva, Sane, De Bryne, Sterling, they will be favourites.

{Ed004's Note - And Benfica goal keeper as well to come in Ederson}


4.) 28 May 2017 18:59:33
Hope it helps!

"Good evening

Can I please have the latest on the following Monaco players

Mendy
Fabinho
Lemar
Bakayoko

Many thanks
Genuine_31"
{Ed002's Note - (a) Of interest to Manchester City, Liverpoool with Arsenal, Juventus and Inter not seeing value in his asking price. (b) Of interest to Manchester United and Barcelona with Napoli, Juventus and Manchester City all passing for now. (c) Bayern Munich and Arsenal are keen - Chelsea and Manchester City were told that only one of Silva and Lemar would be sold, so price could potentially become prohitive. (d) Of interest to Manchester United and, particularly Chelsea with Juventus, Arsenal, Leicester, Southampton and Stoke all out of the picture. }.


5.) 28 May 2017 19:05:29
I rate Dier. Great positional sense, rarely gives the ball away and easily unnoticed for how he allows the more advanced creative players to do their thing. He'd be an ideal Carrick replacement in my opinion. I suspect he'd be difficult to sign though.


6.) 28 May 2017 19:42:05
Dier is a United fan as well.


7.) 29 May 2017 11:22:26
I'd rather Bakayoko than Dier personally.

Dier does a decent job, he's consistent but not great at anything, a 7/ 10 player. You need them in your team as you need that steadiness (Valencia I would categorise as a 7/10 player), but I don't think we should be spending mega-money on Steady Eddys.

However if it's a choice between Dier and Matic I'd go for Dier, I just don't think he adds a great deal to the table, rather promote youth or go all out for world class. He's a nice to have, not need to have.


8.) 29 May 2017 11:37:42
Beast I suppose you mean Bakayoko will be more than a 7/ 10 and basing that rating on some good reasons? 'cos Dier has one thing Bakayoko doesnt, ie he has proved himself in the epl! No whining about weather, food, culture, work load etc.


9.) 29 May 2017 15:24:07
Yeah Bakayoko is a monster that I really rate, I think he is much better than Dier.

Griezzman, Silva, Mendy, Fabinho etc etc etc haven't proven themselves in the EPL, I get that it's an advantage having played in the league but if that is Dier USP then so what, hundreds of midfielders have it?

I don't rate Dier that highly, solid but English hype as usual - rather have kept Schneiderlin. Would cost £20-25m at fair value, but probably have to spend £50m+ for him and he won't bring much to the table.

{Ed004's Note - Bakayoko slightly worries me after watching his performances vs Juventus. He was at fault for a couple of goals and was poor compared to the other midfielders on the pitch that night. I'd also worry that he always seems to play on the left side of the midfield which is were Pogba always plays for united. Finally, I thought he looked destined for Chelsea}


10.) 29 May 2017 15:36:34
Yes I agree he was poor in the semi final, Monaco as a team were but he had a stinker (he did have that face mask on which looked to effect his vision and against an awesome Juve it was enough to make him look poor) . But he has stood out for me whenever I have watched him aside from that. Dier just doesn't do it for me, but I'm not too bothered as we shouldn't really have a holding midfielder with most teams playing with just one up top. Only really necessary in big games.

We should have signed Pjanic last year imo, but I could cope with Matuidi as mentioned above - we do need reinforcements in there but top quality ones not more utility players like Dier imo!


11.) 31 May 2017 10:36:40
This reminds me of the Carvalho rumors of seasons past.


 

 

 

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22 Jun 2017 13:25:28
If Lewi or Aubameyang are available for what we'd pay for Morata we should be going for either of the former two all day long, they'd instantly improve our starting XI.

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21 Jun 2017 09:26:41
Darmian isn't suited to the EPL. He offers very little going forward and is very slow. Serie A is much more suited to his style of play.

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20 Jun 2017 18:20:59
I'd love to see him at united as well Chezny, he's a machine.

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16 Jun 2017 11:53:21
I'm glad De Gea is following the beliefs of United fans with regards his Mrs' moaning about Manchester:

United > Kids > Wife.

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14 Jun 2017 14:45:42
That's good news then, I didn't expect it to go through so quickly after an international match what with travel time and national sides not getting together again for another 3 months.

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23 Jun 2017 10:37:26
Last summer we signed the Bundesliga player of the year, Ligue 1 player of the year and Pogba who was widely considered at the time as a future Ballon d'Or winner.

It's not Woody's fault how the season panned out, he got the players Jose asked for.

There's just no pleasing some folk.

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22 Jun 2017 19:27:50
Beast, I think we definitely do need that skill set.

Herrera simply has too much to do in midfield and a player like Matic would allow Herrera to channel his energy in more offensive work, and Pogba needs someone reliable behind him so he can effect the game in the final third, and because he can't track back to save his life.

Whether it's Matic or not we definitely need someone who breaks up play and gives the ball to a team mate quickly.

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22 Jun 2017 13:33:03
Brad - if we did sign both I think it's nailed on that Jose would play the pair against the bigger teams. It might be exactly what Jose is looking for.

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22 Jun 2017 13:31:37
Nothing quite like hyping up a player too much.

Hope he's eased in and we start to see the best of him in 3 years time.

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22 Jun 2017 13:30:41
When he returned to Chelsea and I watched him a couple of times I had 3 thoughts:
1. This guy is an absolute beast, he's strong, can tackle, good passer, got the lot
2. Why the hell didn't we go for him as he's exactly what we needed (at that time)
3. I like Serbians named Nemanja

Now we arguably need that player even more, but I'm not sure if Matic is the same player now as he was 2-3 years ago. Maybe Chelsea's form 2 seasons ago and Kante's presence 1 season ago wasn't flattering for him.

If we do sign him there's no doubt he'd improve our team.

Wazza