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16 Feb 2018 15:31:49
Hi eds, is there any truth in the reports from turkey yesterday that fellaini has agreed a deal with fenerbece and signed a pre contract?

ken

{Ed002's Note - I obviously have no idea about any reports in Turkey. I have explained for some months been explaining the situation and discussions that have been going on with Besiktas. If he has agreec a pre-contract with Fenerbahce I am afraid I am not the one to ask. I can't answer any questions about "what do you think of reports ..." Ken.}


1.) 16 Feb 2018 16:35:33
It was Besiktas, today he has been linked to Galatasaray. We will see.

Ed002 has been saying long ago Fellaini wanted out last Summer, and it was Mou who intervened.


2.) 16 Feb 2018 16:17:14
The reports were Besiktas.

{Ed002's Note - That makes sense then. It is where I expect him to go.}


3.) 16 Feb 2018 16:19:32
Sorry ed my bad. i should have worded that differently.
Thanks.
Its obviously a false report.
Jose is obviously keen for him to stay but perhaps more regular game time is what he is after at this stage of his career.


4.) 17 Feb 2018 11:22:21
He needs to go. If he wants regular game time he has to go. If he stats he's just a bit part player and plan b. Frankly given the wages and his age its better he goes.


 

 

17 Jan 2018 22:35:52
Ed is there anybody interested in signing blind this window?

ken

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach to MU.}


1.) 18 Jan 2018 09:34:53
I didn't see that coming. Lol.


 

 

12 Jan 2018 23:35:13
If any of The eds are around,
Do you know if this is a completely optimistic attempt or has sanchez always been a target.? There has been no serious links with him since his days In italy.

ken

{Ed002's Note - it is simply a case of him being seen as a potential option.}


1.) 13 Jan 2018 08:07:10
Of course he is an option. He would have been looked at by all major clubs, the same as Ozil, because how many times does a player in his prime in the elite category of his role become available for such deflated cost or potentially for free.

Real, Bayern, Juve and co would also have discussed Alexis but maybe have decided to step back or not register offical interest for whatever reasons. He is a world class player, doesn’t make many stupid media appearances, doesn’t dab, doesn’t get injured too frequently and is passionate about the game.

If ever there was a player to sign it is Sanchez.


2.) 13 Jan 2018 00:07:36
Thanks ed. Personally I feel its still a long shot as his mind was probably set on a city move for months now. Perhaps what we can offer is better for arsenal so if his heart is set on city he will sit tight until June.
Perhaps we can sell him our club and the opportunity to achieve legendary status by helping us become champions again. Oh and pay him more😂.


3.) 13 Jan 2018 02:00:54
Hi Ed, is he seen as a potential option to Greizman with him seemingly off to Barcelona?

{Ed002's Note - I would not try to complicate matters.}


4.) 13 Jan 2018 09:53:06
Over the last three seasons Pogba and Sanchez have both spent 3 months on the sidelines injured, and am I'm not sure the Arsenal fans would agree with you regarding stupid media appearances. But cut lips and a slight sniffle aside you are right Maze, Sanchez doesn't dab, he sulks because he didn't get his move in the summer and causes well documented dress room bust ups.


5.) 13 Jan 2018 10:15:49
No doubting Sanchez ability, but if rumours/ reports are correct with his replacement at Arsenal being Malcolm, would like a punt on him instead: cheaper wages by far, longer service, right winger as opposed to AS and hopefully less disruptive. I think he could be a better long term fit and not hinder martial/ rashfords progress.

{Ed002's Note - Malcom would be a Walcott replacement, not a Sanchez replacement.}


6.) 13 Jan 2018 11:22:40
Malcolm looks a talent Cookyman but I disagree as we do not need another player with 'potential' seeing as though we have martial, rashford, lingard and even andreas pereira on our books who are young players with 'potential'. We need a finished article who performs consistently at the top level. We have far too many young inconsistent players and when they are all having an off day we have nobody who can step up and take the game by the scruff of its neck. Sanchez is perfect for us and personally I think we are a better fit for him than city. He will be the main man and be one of the first names on the team sheet. And if he gets the number 7 shirt, then he will be one of the most marketable players in the world. Personally, think he is city bound but it is very quiet from his end, city's end and our end. Seems everyone has their poker faces on.


7.) 13 Jan 2018 11:40:29
I hope the line "Perhaps we can sell him our club", Ken was a joke?


8.) 13 Jan 2018 12:08:06
Why fzz its not the only show in town?


9.) 13 Jan 2018 13:20:19
Ken this is not like little school girls trying to sell brownies to raise funds for field trips. This is Manchester United one of the most recognised sporting institutions in the world.

What is exactly are United trying to sell him? They offer what they can and what they believe is reasonable, that is all. There is nothing to sell, you have watched too many episodes of only fools and horses, Maze suggests maybe it is time to try a different show?


10.) 13 Jan 2018 13:32:48
I shouldn't need to answer mate.


11.) 13 Jan 2018 14:37:09
Park - totally understand the potential reason you state but do we need a player whose heart isn't in it : another di Maria? I don't think so but we've still got 18 days left. lol

Ed002- sorry when I stated replacement, I was referring to a shiny new player to appease the fans as opposed to playing position:)

{Ed002's Note - Arsenal are looking to someone else to replace Sanchez.}


12.) 13 Jan 2018 14:38:57
Maybe how we plan on dominating the EPL again at some point, and convince him he can fulfil his ambition of winning the league here? We have finished top 4 once in 4 seasons!


13.) 13 Jan 2018 15:33:01
Would it be lemar?


14.) 13 Jan 2018 19:18:24
Correct stand. Players if his calibre gave options of lots of clubs with great history and tradition as well as the ' new money ' clubs like city and psg who are attracting some of the world's best. So yes we do need to convice him we are a better option than any of the other great options available. Its not all about offer him what you can financially or he would be off to China.


 

 

10 Jan 2018 21:28:14
Looks like Dimitri Mitchell is going on loan to hearts. Best of luck to him.

ken

1.) 10 Jan 2018 22:07:03
Looks a good player, hope he comes back and gets a chance, good luck to the lad.


2.) 10 Jan 2018 23:10:25
Why on earth to a third rate league? Really don't get that at all. Would be better off in the championship.

{Ed007's Note -

via GIPHY


3.) 11 Jan 2018 06:23:48
Good move. I’d rather see more players go to Scotland than the Championship. The Scottish league is underrated for teaching kids maturity and giving them physical and mental toughness.


4.) 11 Jan 2018 13:58:50
A whole lot better than u23 that's for sure.


 

 

28 Nov 2017 18:53:35
Good thread below on the merits of selling Martial or not.
To be honest I thought jose would sell him and he was open to that as per ed002.
I wanted him to go on loan this season in the hope that playing every week at a high level la liga or serie a that he would come back a more rounded experienced player.

I think he has only started 3 league games this season and like all young players he has been inconsistent . He has done well in cl and league cup and off the bench I the league but is that enough to bring him on quickly enough.
He imo is one of the best close control dribblers in world football. He oozes talent but because of his demeanour he looks lazy at times and lacks intensity concentration and focus at times during matches.

Playing weekly his movement and decision making will improve dramatically ( this is what infuriates me when watching him) . This is where I think jose has a dilemma. Because rashford is in the exact same position.

We have 2 great young talents. But while they are learning and developing they will have as many unproductive games as productive couple that with our requirement to compete in the top comps its hard to develop both at the same time and give them enough starts and doubly difficult when they ideally want to play In the same position.

When both play together if they are both on an off day we look toothless but hot when they are on form we look hot but to be honest that's 50/ 50.
Time will tell but i don't see us developing both.

ken

1.) 28 Nov 2017 19:52:06
Let's be honest developing kids isn't Jose strong point .
Jose has a lot of good traits but that's not one of them .
Tonight is the 11th game martial has started this season with another 8 from the bench .
Lads still only 21 so not doing to bad.


2.) 28 Nov 2017 22:34:12
Nice goal too.


3.) 29 Nov 2017 09:46:08
Martial is on a different planet to Rashford. He has speed, control, sange-froide and great vision. Rashford has speed. But is otherwise a car crash.


4.) 29 Nov 2017 12:50:18
I like rash but martial is a step up imo .
Can't believe people are talking about selling a young talented player like this.
Or saying he will never be a top player or has a poor attitude.

The lad is 21 still has a lot to learn but has absolute bags of talent.


5.) 29 Nov 2017 14:01:06
You really don't rate him that highly Ken do you?

I know he can be inconsistent, I'm going to put that down to age but even on a bad day, he is genuinely one of our only players that has the ability to go past a man and do something incredible. I think we would suffer offensively if he were to be sold or sent out on loan.

He of course needs to iron out the inconsistencies but for me he has to be kept, he is in that bracket of top top players (right jred) I understand now lol, and every young player has inconsitent spells. Just look at Raheem Sterling.


6.) 29 Nov 2017 15:16:58
I think Rashford. Is going backwards in his development. Is it because he is regular in the first team now and feels that's it
I've made it.
And please could we have lukaku playing in Velcro kit, the ball might stick to him then, He has been woeful of late.
Good display by lindelof tho.
Rock the red.


7.) 29 Nov 2017 17:11:28
Angle
Lol.
Martial looks a talent looks a threat and season looks up for it .

For his age and position I don't see much better out there .
You have to give these young lads a chance .
To be fair to Jose he has so this season with martial.
Looks better playing striker as well, that's where the lad himself wants to play .


8.) 29 Nov 2017 19:54:11
Why sell a player for £80 mil that would cost us £150mil to get close to replacing him?


9.) 29 Nov 2017 21:39:48
Please lay off Rashford as he is a young kid and will have ups and downs. Also he is under a lot of pressure knowing he has Martial Lukaku and Ibra fir competition in his preferred role as central striker. His end product is generally very good. Cut him some slack.


10.) 30 Nov 2017 09:14:55
The problem is that Jose appears under pressure to always play Rashford as he is being positioned as a locally grown brand. He is not technically good enough to make it. Won't be best option is to take advantage of the elevated pricing for young stars and sell him now, focusing on Martial.


11.) 30 Nov 2017 11:10:51
Angel. I do rate him. I've said above and have always said that he has a dribbling talent that is nearly unrivalled. I never advocated selling him although I thought jose would sell him because he is not know for his patience with young players.
I think the issue is we have 2 players that play I the same position so it would be difficult to get them both enough game time to develop both quickly enough from the club's point if view but akso from their point of view. Martial will only improve with experience like all young players. I thought he would struggle for game time under jose like 40 starts and if he does get 40 starts rash won't so it will be difficult to get both up to speed and keep them happy.


12.) 30 Nov 2017 11:54:19
Ken
You argued with me last season he would never be a top player .
Round about the time you where posting Jose would sell him .
Coincidence?


13.) 30 Nov 2017 20:16:20
Jred you have a more select memory than Boris Johnson.
You argued that cattermole was as good as matic.
Jose was open to selling him as we know.
I have been 100% consistent on martial. He is getting more game time than I thought he would and has done very well this season in some games and has as the manner said improved both his play and his application so fair play to him it's paying dividends for him and the team.

Fair play to the manger for getting more out of him and fair play to the player who by his own admission was not concentrating fully on his game last year.


14.) 30 Nov 2017 21:42:59
Ken
Of course you have Ken, can't imagine why anyone would think differently .

Bags of talent will be a top player imo.


15.) 30 Nov 2017 21:58:17
Matic cattermole doh . Lol like I've had to say before I was pretty drunk the one time I posted that .
I was trying to make a very drunken point . Badly .


16.) 30 Nov 2017 22:44:14
Phones laptops tablets and guns. should never be in the possession of a drunken man lol xx.


17.) 01 Dec 2017 08:41:50
To he fair it's not like i went on about it for a full season.


18.) 02 Dec 2017 03:33:32
Both are young and run into blind alleys, time is the only cure.


 

 

 

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22 Feb 2018 17:52:49
For those that think we have a good sqiad.
Have you ever seen fellaini lukaku blind darmian smalling young shaw valencia rojo jones rashford or martial play any better so far in their carreers than they have played this season.
These guys are playing at their highest level. None have done any worse than what they have produced so far in their careers.
You have seen them play at the level they are playing at now ever since they signed for us from anything between 8 and 3 seasons Ago.

Are any of tbose players doing a whole lot worse than they have ever done. In fact in most cases this will be their best ever league csmpaign.
Jose doing a great job to keep them 2nd and in cups they are just not good enough to do any better.
Sure jones and smalling have an epl medal but were only bit part platers that year both started less than 20 games that season.

Bunch of average joes producing average resilts no matter who coaches them.
Lukaku rash and martial and maybe shaw deserve another seadon the rest should be sold.

ken

1.) 22 Feb 2018 18:03:51
Yer I have.
 fellaini lukaku blind darmian smalling young shaw valencia rojo jones rashford or martial have all played better.
Fellaini was better last year
Lukaku prob done better at Everton
Blind has gone backwards since his first season .
Smalling was better under lvg.
Young never let's u down always seems to be at a similar level
Rojo hasn't really played and is coming back from a ACL
Rasford has had a dip was better last year
Martial was better under lvg
Shaw was far better for Southampton.

Up until this season I hadn't seen sterling sane feridinho delph stones and otemndi play this well tho .
In fact I had never seen city play anywhere near as good.


2.) 22 Feb 2018 18:14:22
Not far from the truth there, but you and all the other fed up fans must realise that it's not practical or sane to sell 3/ 4 of your first team squad in one season. Squads need to evolve. Even when City started sp@nkig all their money, it took them years to build a settled team that was capable of a sustained challenge for silverware. And getting the right blend of experience and youth is key - something we are only just STARTING to see his season in our squad.


3.) 22 Feb 2018 18:26:32
Arnie. How many did city shed last summer. Think it was 12. 9 or 10 of tbose played 15 or more games the previous season so it can be done successfully in one go mate.


4.) 22 Feb 2018 18:32:43
So jred all the players were playing better but getting a lot worse results. how can that be? comedy gold. 😂😂😂 i thik you just like arguing. But like our players you are consistently inconsistent. Southamton lol so your going back 5 years lol who was it you scolded for that a couple of threads down? Yet your comparing to 10 years on the thread below that. Go and have a lie down think you have lost the plot a bit today.


5.) 22 Feb 2018 18:45:09
Fair point Ken, part of me can understand your argument especially after the disappointment of the last few results and poor, disjointed performances, however I don't think it's quite as bad as you fear.

Surely a team featuring De Gea, Bailly, Pogba, Matic and Sanchez should be able to play some decent stuff though pal. In that list we have the best goal keeper in the world, I haven't seen many CB's better than Bailly, Pogba was considered one of the best midfielders in the world when we signed him and Sanchez has consistently been one of the best attackers in the EPL for a good few years. There aren't many better holding midfielders than Matic. He's been an important player in two title winning teams at Chelsea under two different managers. Even Lukaku has been consistently one of the best goal scorers in the league for some time now.

In addition to that we have Martial, Rashford, Mata, Valencia, Jones, Rojo, Herrera even Lingard. I personally also rate Blind and think he's a very good footballer. We have a pretty decent squad. Not every player can be a superstar and surely it's about getting the right balance and getting the most out of some very good players we undoubtedly have.

In my humble opinion he needs to re assess the formation and play a system that gets the most out of Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku and Martial. The only ways I can see this happening is to play 3 at the back in which we still get some natural width from the wing backs or playing a thee man midfield with Sanchez at 10, Martial and Lukaku up front in a 4-3-1-2. Let's be honest our so called wide players be it Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Mata and Lingard all like to play inside anyway.

We we're terrible at Spurs but Liverpool, Arsenal, Dortmund and even Madrid have been well beaten there this year. The Newcastle game was a big disappointment but on another day we created enough chances to win that game comfortably. Ok last night was poor but Sevilla are formidable at home and I remember lots of similar European away performances under Fergi.

I agree with Slate we might have to wait until the end of the season to really evaluate where we're at.

It was a similar story last season as well. If we didn't win against Ajax then it wasn't good enough. We did and it ended up being a relatively successful first season considering Pep won nothing.

It's fine margins at the moment and if we end up with nothing then the arduous performances become hard to bare. A top 4 finish, FA Cup win and decent run in the Champions League and Jose can rightly point to progression and more success. Only time will tell.


6.) 22 Feb 2018 18:49:46
Ken
You asked a question I answerd it .
Don't forget that the players you mentioned above are not all our players and some of them like lukaku where not even at the club last season?
He might have something to do with us doing better than last season as well as some of the other players you have failed to mention .

You asked when Shaw had played better he played better at Southampton. That not comparing.

Again my post about 10 year ago was about Ronaldo and co when we won the CL nothing to do with this squad.
You do know what compare means? Clutching at straws pal.


7.) 22 Feb 2018 18:53:51
Danny i hear you i'd prefer 3 at the back based on the squad. For starters we don't have any good full backs to play 4.
It would not surprise me to win something but for me its all about the league campaign.
Would you be shocked if brighton and seville beat us? I wouldn't.
We you be shocked if we beat them? I wouldn't. That's the essence of a cup team. That's what we are and have been for 5 years.
Jose knows how to win. He will do it by any means.
He can win with excitment too. Chelsea and madrid in particular were very good to watch a lot of the time. But they had better players than us we are more like his inter team. Some high quality surrounded by averageness or even belie average.


8.) 22 Feb 2018 19:09:16
Which ones are not our players?


9.) 22 Feb 2018 19:23:59
They are not all our players we also have as Danny pointed out pogba matic Sanchez and co .
Just question after question.


10.) 22 Feb 2018 20:02:44
Ken, I disagree I think we have a better squad now than when Jose took over. I also think we have the basis of a very good squad.

For me the issue is simple, Mourinho's tactics/ style is good at elevating poor/ average performers to a good level as seen with players like Young, Smalling, Lingard ect while stifling the best performers such as Martial, Mata, Pogba, Lukaku and Sanchez.

Some people have said that Matic has got worst over the season because he has tired. Yet he never tired last season under Conte. Although now I mention it he did the previous season at Chelsea under Mourinho.
It begs the question does Matic's performances under Jose happen because he doesn't rest him or does Jose's coaching style wear down his ability to perform?

I think we have some wonderful offensive players, but it is so often said forwards are confidence players, I think Jose's style has sucked the confidence out of them.

Your not telling me if given the platform to perform that players such as Pogba, Mata, Martial, Rashford, Lukaku and Sanchez couldn't play better than they currently are?


11.) 22 Feb 2018 20:05:35
Didn’t José win the treble with Inter?!


12.) 22 Feb 2018 20:23:10
Danny i agree with you i think we have some very good players and with the exception of ddg all of them could be playing better. But we have 7 or 8 players that imo will never do any better. This is their level and we have too many of tbose in our squad.
I don't want nor have i ever suggested that we need a team of superstars. The blend is not right.
Id be happy to promote tuanzebe perriera tfm to pad out the squad in place of fellaini darmian rojo. Then repplace carrick blind and smalling and young with a rb lb cb and cm. Being greedy a rw if periera stays in spain . So 7 players or just over quarter of the squad.


13.) 22 Feb 2018 20:49:47
Fellaini rojo blind darmian not really played this year . hard to blame them
Not sure tuanzebe perriera tfm would get much action either to be honest .

Jose very vocal he would like fellaini for next season .


14.) 22 Feb 2018 22:08:43
Im not blaming them for anything. i'm just saying they should be sold they don't contribute very much at all and i don't see them doing so In the future. They are tying up big wages and fresh blood is needed. They are all doing their best and always have done.


15.) 22 Feb 2018 22:40:57
When did blind even play last?
What's he got to do with last night.
Good squad this most can see it.


16.) 22 Feb 2018 23:44:36
I havnt even mentioned last night. I think we got a good result last night. I didn't enjoy the way we went about it i got a little less than i elected in terms of intent. But that's jose in europe away or big 6 away most of the time.


17.) 23 Feb 2018 00:33:38
I agree with your list Ken except for Rojo. Left footed centreback, before this latest injury set back he was playing well. I also think he is a good shout for left CB in a three if we go with that formation change.

I think this squad is desperate for a Toni Kroos type midfielder and a right winger who can make something happen. I still think Alexis is that guy and let Martial and Rashford duke it out for the left Wing/ Lukaku cover roles.

Our fullbacks are also a weakness. TFM or Tuanzebe for rb, need a leftback to compete with Shaw.


18.) 23 Feb 2018 06:26:41
Ken just because you have one example of it working doesn't mean it's a good recipe for team building.


 

 

21 Feb 2018 23:25:53
I was really looking forward to tonight. 1st game back in the champions league ko stages for 4 years. Tough but not a daunting fixture. Tough place to win only Barcelona have beaten them there in last 35 home games.
But nonetheless not a vintage seville side. Their new Italian coach is getting them organised and they work hard for him.
I got a little less than i was expecting from us though. To play like we did without martial or rashford seemed a waste. Mata and sanchez need the team to have good possesion to thrive. Whereas martial sms rashford dont.
Nil all can be very precarious but if we go at them and i think we will then we will have too much for them.
God knows what will happen on sunday. i'm hoping we see shaw and one of martial jessie or rasford playing.
Not got the balance right just yet. Next 5 games could be glorious or horrendous. Chelsea, palace Seville Liverpool Brighton (cup) . 4 huge home games. Ethnic of ote players are going to come out of these 5 games the hero which player is going to stand out or come into the team and deliver big performance after big performance. There are lots of potential candidates. let's hope a few step forward and rise to the challenge. There is a couple of not lose games there but also a few must wins.
I'm looking forward to seeing who rises to the challenge. Mctominay did it tonight but we need our game changers to start changing games. This is the time of the seadon when the best players shine. The winners come alive dedpite previous form.

ken

1.) 21 Feb 2018 23:50:46
It waa a typical Jose performance which i hoped wouldn't have been thr case as i prrdicted goals in this match.

I thought there eere a few positives to take out of the game, Lindelof made a few good tackles, scott looked very good for a 21 year old and Matic looked good as well and oh yeah David De Gea you beautyy! .

Lukaku didn't really have support and his touch was poor, Sanchez looked like he had no one to play with.

The rest did okay and Pogba looked initially looked like he was restricted but he grew into the game.


2.) 22 Feb 2018 07:49:12
Oh man! Half drowsy while I sit at my desk and pretend that I have all the energy in the world to go about my day, but the truth is, it's not sleep deprivation as much as annoyance at what I saw last night.


We all tend to cover the bad aspects with the good, I mean yes, De Gea was world class, Lindeloff was good, Smalling was not horrendous, Matic looked energetic and Sanchez was always hungry for the ball, but then that's it. We can't keep doing this and pretend this is the best we will play and the fact is, we have been playing like this, especially against teams that will press us in the middle and who will take the game to us.

Lukaku had a wonderful chance to score a goal but he fluffed his chance, a bad miss, but not the end of the world. The problem is not the miss, the issue is, how many times did United work the ball into the box? How many times did we see the desire from our players to take the game against a side who has struggled to score goals at home and oh, their top scorer was not even playing. For all the movement that happens behind the half-way line in our half, the movement is next to nothing when it comes to us attacking.

Yes, we hoof the ball upfield, and hope that the big man up front will head it or chest it or do something with it. The thing is, even if we are hoofing the ball upfield, there needs to be a second player coming for the drop down or flick on and guess what, we never have that. That's a problem. Putting the ball in the channel is good, opens up the defence, but then, the player running for the ball needs help and that is never there, that is a problem.

The problem is not just passing in the opponents half, it's about absorbing the pressure and keeping the ball, all great teams do it and I cannot accept that the players who play for United cannot keep the ball even when pressed. Or fullbacks, rather than try and keep the ball, kick up upfield, it's more of a - "I've done my bit, why don't you guys go and do your thing up there. "

There is not a single player in our squad who can keep the ball rolling, shuffle possession. Matic tries and does it to a certain extent, but then he can't do it alone. For all the attacking talent that Sanchez possess, I think he's having trouble with the way Mou is making him play, yes, he doesn't have to track back and has the freedom to roam around, but even to play a free role, one needs the support of the other players to make it work.

Last night, Martial came on around the 80th or 82nd minute. A couple of minutes later, one can see him walking on the field and not pressing for the ball, I mean, come the **** on! You've just come on, the manager has sent you on for a reason, you can for the love the god, press once and then if you feel tired, you stop. But, one doesn't even try.

For all the problem that the media is talking about Mou and Pogba, I think it's utter crap. Pogba's performance has dipped, he seems slightly tired or at best, lost. Is that due to him not being able to play in a 2 man midfield? I don't think so, we started the season with just him and Matic playing in the middle with runners around them, he didn't struggle then, why now? Normally, a manager puts an arm around the player and protects him from criticism, especially that comes from the press, but I guess Mou doesn't work like that and his way of getting a reaction is what he does. Was yesterday a test for Pogba? A reaction that Mou was hoping for? I don't know. But the team and the Frenchman struggled again.

What makes it sad is that one waits for a week, in this case, months before a match of stature comes around and you have high hopes of the team, at least in terms of a performance, but then, you are served this. it's like going to a world famous mutton kebab shop and the owner saying, - "we only have vegan food, sir. "


 

 

20 Feb 2018 07:38:49
Will referee taylor be suspended for ignoring the rules and not sending pep off. He should be banned too.

On aguero. It was not the same as cantonna in any way.
I don't excuse him and a ban will come his way but it was nowhere near the same type of offence as cantonna.

ken

1.) 20 Feb 2018 07:44:40
Will a ban come his way? I don’t think it should he did nothing wrong for me.


2.) 20 Feb 2018 08:23:01
Stand,

He hit out at a fan, how can you think he did nothing wrong?


3.) 20 Feb 2018 08:47:04
Letter of the law says he did something wrong because apparently there is no circumstance where a player can confront a fan for his or her actions.

He's just a man . Fan gets in personal space of the guy and he pushed him away, aggressively.

I'm sure aguero will get some sort of fine because he will get 'should act in an appropriate manner' line but for me, wigan should be receiving a hefty fine due to fans coming onto the pitch.


4.) 20 Feb 2018 09:16:15
Aguero should be banned, nowhere near cantona incident. But he had no business chasing after that idiot after the initial confrontation.


5.) 20 Feb 2018 09:57:52
Self-defence. He feared immediate violence will be the defence, and rightly so. If I was confronted like that by some neanderthal, I'd be looking to protect myself, by getting my action in first. Totally defendable in my opinion.


6.) 20 Feb 2018 10:01:49
If you have a disagreement with someone in the street and you respond by lashing out at them regardless of what they said it is you if have broken the law.

You can defend yourself with reasonable force, punching someone because they said something you didn't like isn't reasonable force, its excessive force.

Why should the law of the land not apply on a football pitch?

Aguero attempted to punch a fan, therefore regardless of the circumstances he should be punished in some way.


7.) 20 Feb 2018 10:17:49
Nou,

Even if there is an argument for hitting the fan to get him away when he was feeling confronted, there is no justification for then chasing after him to attack him again, the guy was walking away at this point, are we meant to believe Aguero was still scared for his life from a teenager walking away from him?


8.) 20 Feb 2018 10:34:24
Nou, in what weird World can Aguero chasing a guy be construed as self defence? Do people in England run after people and try and beat them up as self defence?


9.) 20 Feb 2018 10:48:47
The guy swung for Aguero. If the idiot fan doesn’t firstly enter the pitch, and secondly confront the player, the incident doesn’t occur. Nothing wrong with his reaction.


10.) 20 Feb 2018 10:52:55
Actually, Shappy, in criminal law, if you fear immediate violence from someone, you are allowed to strike first. If you can prove that the other person was ready to strike, ie. clenched fist, movement into your space etc, then you are allowed. That 'fan' was all over Aguero, when he shook him off. Entitled to defend himself.


11.) 20 Feb 2018 10:53:25
CSM, you're only watching the aftermath. Watch it from the start.


12.) 20 Feb 2018 11:00:46
GDS, no. Once he takes the initial act, and the male (teenager, so what? ) walks away, then the threat is over, and he shouldn't have carried on. At that point, it's just pure temper. But there is a crowd around him, and adrenaline was probably pumping. Easy to comment from the outside.


13.) 20 Feb 2018 11:18:04
I liked it .
I hate all the pampered stuff around footballers it's nice to see there human every so often .


14.) 20 Feb 2018 11:25:11
You liked aguero hitting a fan and then going back for a 2nd attempt. Says it all really. Classless.


15.) 20 Feb 2018 11:25:48
Shappy. if somebody walked up to a player on the street or anybody on the street for that matter, you walk away unless you feel threatened and have to defend themselves.

But if somebody came into my place of work or my home and came up to me aggressively and I feared for myself and safety, they wouldn't be long knowing about reasonable force.

How do you know what the fan said or attempted to do? When do you say it's okay to use force?


16.) 20 Feb 2018 11:35:10
Plus, I've watched the footage over and over again. The initial contact, when the fan is right on him, looks more like a shrug away. Then when he chases him, it looks like he was thinking of throwing a punch. I really couldn't be sure that an actual punch was thrown. Maybe I'm watching the wrong clip.


17.) 20 Feb 2018 12:10:42
Ken
Yer to be honest, better than rolling around on the floor pretending they have been hit by a baseball bat .
Or hiding behind a keyboard throwing insults .
The fan was out of order imo.


18.) 20 Feb 2018 12:52:00
Its a criminal act . What picture does it portray to a young kid playing in school.

These guys get paid millions and not playing for free so they should have the right mentality to curb their anger and handle all situations.


19.) 20 Feb 2018 12:56:43
Nou if the incident ended at the initial confrontation i would agree, even if aguero knocked the guy out he wouldn't have been faulted as the idiot did go looking for a fight and provoking it. But once aguero decides to go street fighter chasing the guy and trying to get his hands on him he loses that bit of earlier benefit, do the exact thing on street and aguero will charged for assault, as shappy said rules don't change just because you are on a football pitch.


20.) 20 Feb 2018 12:56:58
Should be a 6 game ban. No if ands or buts or any legal semantics.


21.) 20 Feb 2018 13:08:27
CSM, no he wouldn't be charged for assault, mate. I've spent over 15 years on the frontline of the criminal justice system, and believe me, if I showed that footage to the PPS, it would get sent straight back to me, with a No Prosecution decision. I personally, still can't see Aguero actually throwing a punch. If I saw that on the street on a Saturday night, he would have been dragged away, told to calm down and clear off. He certainly wouldn't be getting a criminal record for walking after someone who clearly provoked him.


22.) 20 Feb 2018 13:13:34
Correct mort.
Jred its that sort of mentality that is unacceptable in today's society.
The fan was in the wrong but so was aguero and he should be punished accordingly. You can't take the law into your item hands.
The fans should be banned also.


23.) 20 Feb 2018 13:22:39
You can't clap with one hand you need two hands to clap so Aguero and the fan are both at fault and should be punished.


24.) 20 Feb 2018 13:28:50
Ken
It's all you politically correct brigade that drive me mad .
What did aguero actually do? How many times did he punch him, is the fan seriously injured?
Need to man up.


25.) 20 Feb 2018 13:58:05
jred,

Was the guy Cantona kicked seriously injured? Different situation but how cna it only be judged on if somebody is injured, surely needs punishing before it gets to that point.


26.) 20 Feb 2018 14:09:51
Jred just as a matter of interest what do you think of the west brom players taxi incident.


27.) 20 Feb 2018 14:10:47
Gds
He probably will get punished but is what aguero did that big a deal .
Delph tackle was worse .
A fan has come on the pitch fronted up to aguero, no idea what he said or done .
Big deal, aguero will prob get a ban people will be mortified that he acted like a animal etc etc .


28.) 20 Feb 2018 14:27:25
Nobody knows what happened in the taxi incident, other than those involved.


29.) 20 Feb 2018 14:27:59
Nou just let's agree to disagree.

Jred delph was within the laws of football, tackling the wigan player isn't illegal, he badly mistimes it and should be given a 3 match ban for it, but what aguero did was a bit more serious. You can't go around trying to beat up fans because they act like jerks, in terms of FA law i would say it will count as bringing disrepute to the game. The idiot should be banned from ever going to football games but aguero needs to be punished too.


30.) 20 Feb 2018 14:33:23
No bother, CSM. He will get a ban, but fortunately for City, Jesus seems to be returning just in flippin' time.


31.) 20 Feb 2018 14:36:38
Let’s all wait until someone is stabbed on the pitch, then we'll sit here and say, "oh he's a professional he cannot act like that". Absolute bull imo. Somebody climbs the advertising boards and runs 50 yards to confront a player who has no idea what this guy is prepared to do, and the player can't react. Everything that's wrong with modern football, full of fairies. The only criminal thing here is if Aguero misses a cup final because of some helmet from the crowd.


32.) 20 Feb 2018 14:48:41
But he was just a kid, Stand. And kids don't carry knives or want to start fights.


33.) 20 Feb 2018 15:30:29
Nou, do you not think Aguero acting like that on a football pitch in front of the cameras being broadcast to millions of young impressionable children might have an effect on you working on the front line at some point in the future?

Kids copy what they see on TV, what they see their hero's doing. The player, the clubs and the FA have a responsibility to show that it's not acceptable behaviour.

I'm not saying the fan is in the right, anyone can see that he was some kind of an idiot. But that doesn't justify Aguero's reaction.

Wigan should be fined for the pitch Invasion.

Man City should be made to pay for the damage their fans caused.

Pep should be told his behaviour is unacceptable and maybe even have a touchline ban. Or a suspended ban until the end of the season.

Aguero should have a 3-5 game ban for lashing out at a fan then chasing after him to continue to confrontation.

Maybe the reactions of both the Wigan and Man City fans are a result of how they watched their players and managers behave during the game.

All those paid to act in the correct manner should be brought to account for the way their poor behaviour helped to create an ugly situation which is damaging to the sport that pays them so well.


34.) 20 Feb 2018 16:11:16
Shouldnt the security guards make sure no sharp objects are taken into the ground.

What is the point of having security in a huge match like that if you fear for players security.


35.) 20 Feb 2018 16:15:08
Top post that Shappy, these players arr role models to a lot of young kids and i wouldn't really want my kids watching that sort of crap in a football match especially from a player of that level.

We don't live in 1990s or 1980s, these guys get paid a lot of money so for them act in that manner is totally unacceptable.


36.) 20 Feb 2018 16:22:42
Snappy, I've never held to the belief that young, working-class sportsmen, sometimes with limited education, should be held up as some sort of paradigms of virtue, just because they can kick a ball. I look to others in society to do that job.

I also don't expect them to be robots in the face of aggression and provocation from a group of yobs. I defy any of us put in that position, to say they would have just straightened their tie and ignored some oil shouting in our face and putting their hands on us. And I don't expect footballers to act any different in the heat of the moment, just because they're on tv and earn a few Bob.


37.) 20 Feb 2018 17:14:45
In my opinion the following should happen: pep should receive a ban for his aggressive behaviour, Delph should receive a ban for a correctly given red card, Wigan should receive a fine for their fans invasion and their behaviour, the fan who confronted aguero should be banned for life, aguero should receive a ban for his reaction but not a massive one like some people think and finally man city should receive a fine for the behaviour of their fans.


38.) 20 Feb 2018 17:45:55
red79, good post, mate.


39.) 20 Feb 2018 17:51:51
But noucamp only 1 player was fighting. Its no wonder society is in such poor shape. If you condone his actions its a sad look out i bet you sing a diffetent tune in court regularly when the agenda suits you.

We do know that the players took and drove a taxi drunk and without permission by their own admission. But perhaps that's only a bit of high jinx and banter and sure you could turn a blind eye to that too as your man jonny was involved😀 maybe if they had hit and hurt someone we could just put it down to being the taxi drivers fault because he was too long in mcdonalds.


40.) 20 Feb 2018 18:04:49
Agree nou good post 79. No drama but all the above should be done as you set it out.


41.) 20 Feb 2018 18:13:18
I'm firmly with you here ken I thought it was a disgrace I'd also like to add to fan should be punished to the full letter of the law it was unacceptable on both counts.

How long is it going to be before we condone a player jumping into the crowd to give a cheeky sod a slap for saying his mom's got hairy knockers? It's ridiculous I'm sorry the excuses being made for aguero I just can not understand

Also as a finely tuned athlete does aguero not have a clear advantage against the average Joe?


42.) 20 Feb 2018 18:27:24
Typical hyperbole, Ken.

Where did I say I condoned it? Just because I understand that some guy out of some shanty town in the arse end of nowhere, might not react with good old British stiff upper lip in the face of aggressive provocation, does not mean what he did was right. Understandable, but not right.

I said above he should get a short ban. Just because I don't want to be part of the hang 'em high posse, doesn't mean I condone his behaviour. And as for my job, snide remarks about what I might or not might do, don't become you. Like I said, the PPS would take one look at that footage and laugh it out before it even saw a courtroom.

I have argued the point on here that it was not a criminal offence, like some armchair lawyers have said, and I stand by that.

And I'm not going to fall out with anyone over a City player, so over and out.


43.) 20 Feb 2018 18:32:47
Nou, it's not about who you precieve as role models it is about who society precieves as a role model.

I agree with you footballers shouldn't in my opinion be role models, but they are.

And children have yet the life experience or the capacity to truly appreciate who they should and shouldn't look up to. It's down to us as adults in society to show them, we can't do that if we condone Aguero's actions even if we do sympathise with him to an extent. Otherwise the message we send out to young children is that it is okay to be aggressive, to hit out at someone and to chase after them.


44.) 20 Feb 2018 18:42:30
There not snide remarks stephen. You said you would do same yourself and that it was totally defendable. Coming from a police officer i think that's odd. ' some guy from a shanty town in the arse hole of nowhere' what do you know about where he comes from unbelievable comment.
Even coming from the occupied territory you police that is a pretty extreme point of view.


45.) 20 Feb 2018 19:18:11
What exactly did he do, Ken? Nothing criminal certainly, so why can't i say i would have reacted the same way? Just being honest. Wouldn't let anyone come up to me like that. Would you? Your last comment, if not being funny, is best left alone for another place.


46.) 20 Feb 2018 19:38:01
Don't know a great deal about the taxi incident .
On aguero if some one verbally abuses you and spits in your face i don't think he over reacted at all .
But there will be people in a far better position than me and you with all the facts who will be the judge of that .


 

 

18 Feb 2018 18:01:57
For those of you who are interested ed 002 gave a fantastic update on real Madrids rebuild plans on the RM rumour page.
United players mentioned as are united targets.
Great read ed002.

ken

1.) 18 Feb 2018 22:49:07
Interesting times ahead for them. If they end up with hazard nd Dybala they will be strong in attack for years to come.


 

 

15 Feb 2018 22:27:41
Looking ahead to midweek and champions league game how did you think jose will approach the game.
Personally i think he will put in a 3rd midfielder and play sanchez left lukaku and mata on the right maybe jessie.
Its an away game and even though thier form is patchy they have a new manager and won't be easy opponents.
A win at the weekend would be a great way to go into this match.

ken

1.) 15 Feb 2018 22:36:35
Defensive, he will set up the team t not concede a goal and play counter attack. that's how we play.


2.) 16 Feb 2018 09:51:18
4141 with Pogba as the holding midfielder. Smalling in defence.


3.) 16 Feb 2018 11:56:00
Reman,

Not sure we play counter attack generally, maybe in the big games but that is the right way to play in them. We are organised but mainly control most of the possession in a game, it is just whether we can step up, hopefully the Newcastle result was the kick up the arse they needed to kick on now, the players are good enough they just need to show it.


4.) 16 Feb 2018 16:32:14
GDS, what game do we play? What are our tactics? We seem to put 10 people behind the ball, play slow ponderous football, allow teams to have a go, not press the ball and never get out of 2nd gear.
But do we have a style of play? Do the players know what they're being asked to do? Not in a million years.
So we'll go out, try to defend and see what happens.


 

 

 

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22 Feb 2018 18:22:17
Great post 12 days.
Beast the performances are poor but its the players not the manager.
How many top class players in our squad?
Not even top class on the european stage top class in epl. Jose performing minor miricle to keep them competitive imo.

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20 Feb 2018 19:24:57
KT is right to stay where is is for anther couple of years at least imo. He is working under a very good coach imo and will gain geat experience at Celtic playing every week. If he continues to progress and improve he will move eventually but he is only a kid. No need for him to move yet imo.

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16 Feb 2018 21:53:03
Maybe trying to get a game into him before seville match. We have missed him let's hope he has an injury free run from here on in.

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16 Feb 2018 16:19:32
Sorry ed my bad. i should have worded that differently.
Thanks.
Its obviously a false report.
Jose is obviously keen for him to stay but perhaps more regular game time is what he is after at this stage of his career.

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05 Feb 2018 21:33:35
I rate rashford myself. He is young and learning Kane was not in the sours team at his age. He has time on his side and he is still very early in his development. No way should he be sold nor will he be.
Martial is in the same boat. Slightly further in his development. Neither are consistent yet.

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23 Feb 2018 19:26:30
I think jose sees what we all see. He is handling it like he usually does. He throws down the gauntlet. It's up to the player now. If he plays Better the team play better. He can be that influential. I think he will be fine. But its all about attitude.

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23 Feb 2018 17:02:44
I predict tfm will never play mire tham 50 games as our right bsck primarily because he is not and never will be a right back.
Its a decent spot to gain experience but its not his position long term.

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22 Feb 2018 23:44:36
I havnt even mentioned last night. I think we got a good result last night. I didn't enjoy the way we went about it i got a little less than i elected in terms of intent. But that's jose in europe away or big 6 away most of the time.

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22 Feb 2018 22:11:59
Yep its a poor squad and it will continue to be that until we get rid of the the poor players. But we will see what happens.

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22 Feb 2018 22:08:43
Im not blaming them for anything. i'm just saying they should be sold they don't contribute very much at all and i don't see them doing so In the future. They are tying up big wages and fresh blood is needed. They are all doing their best and always have done.

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