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15 Aug 2017 20:21:36
According to Sly Perisic going to sign a new deal with inter.


1.) 15 Aug 2017 20:53:48
Tbf I think if we were going to sign him we would have by now.

I think Jose trusts the players we have that can play there. and if we can keep the form up from weekend we will be sound for the wing.

I would much rather Rashford and martial rotate either wing and maybe promote someone else.


Perisic may be a good player but there's nothing like one of your own getting the game time.


2.) 15 Aug 2017 20:55:03
Settle for Bale then 😂.


3.) 15 Aug 2017 22:24:50
Rather we waited on griezmann next summer. Happy with rash/ martial/ Lingard/ mata for the wide areas at present tbh.


 

 

07 Jun 2017 08:25:50
Any truth that we've bid for Morata Ed?

{Ed002's Note - MU are keen on Morata.}


1.) 07 Jun 2017 20:23:39
Thank you Ed, interesting, I know you hate the questions with 'likelihood' in them but is this a deal that both clubs would like done?

{Ed002's Note - Real Madrid wanted to use Morata as part of a trade for another player.}


 

 

01 May 2017 14:48:11
Manchester United lead Schmeichel race rumours according to SSN, worth taking any notice?


1.) 02 May 2017 08:18:08
I think he would be a very real option if De Gea where to leave so yeah it's probably worth taking notice.


2.) 02 May 2017 09:25:17
I take if from the amount of disagrees we don't want schmikes lol.


3.) 02 May 2017 10:42:55
I think he is a decent gk one of the best in the Epl.


4.) 02 May 2017 15:41:53
If we are serious about Hart or kasper then it looks like we're settling for mediocrity and fighting for 5/ 6 place.


5.) 02 May 2017 20:42:43
I expect that it would be quite hard to take Oblak and Griezman from Athletico if the rumours are true. I think it could be plausible, he wouldn't need time adapting to PL and was one of Leicesters pivotal players last year.


 

 

17 Apr 2017 09:46:21
Brilliant performance all round from the lads yesterday, Herrera MOTM, some have mentioned him for captain and I'm all for that.
Rashford showed great maturity and I've been one whose backed zlatan but I think I've just seen the benefits of a non zlatan united, not that I'm not a fan of Ibra but that movement is invaluable, Rash has now made himself undroppable for the time being.

Bailly and Rojo were immense, Young, Fellaini, a couple players who have had their critics worked their asses of as they usually do, fair play, in fact 9/ 10's all round the team making Chelsea look poor.
Desire, commitment, tempo and intensity and spot on tactics by Jose, let's hope this gives the team and even the manager who've had set backs with results this season the confidence to kick on now for the rest of the season.

Also, great to see how a committed performance brings us all together as fans, we all want that attacking flair which we showed in glimpses but really what we all want to see is the commitment in performance and we are happy posters.
Onto Thursday lads.


1.) 17 Apr 2017 10:24:01
While I agree with you that Rashford is not able to be dropped at the moment, the fact is Ibra will play on Thursday.

Most teams coming to OT are going to get 11 men behind the ball and will not play a high line that benefits young Marcus. So I think Ibra starts up top on Thursday. However, I'll be interested to see if Jose plays Ibra at 10 and Marcus at the 9 just to throw something else in the mixer.


2.) 17 Apr 2017 23:34:43
Anderlecht need a goal so it will be fairly open at times and space will appear.


3.) 18 Apr 2017 07:19:28
I too see the benefits of an Ibra-less United, but I do not think we are Rashford and the team are quite ready for that that to be permanent.


 

 

14 Apr 2017 16:50:08
Good to hear Luke Shaw has taken the comments by Jose in a positive way and wants to be playing for this club, he seems in what he says to have the desire that Jose wants in his players, let's hope he kicks on now as we will have the best left back around if he can.


1.) 14 Apr 2017 18:14:18
Young lad learning his trade .

Also a big PR exercise putting him in front of the cameras diluting an issue with Jose.


2.) 14 Apr 2017 18:59:44
Think we all forget how many young players we actually have, Shaw, Bailly, Pogba, Martial, Rashford, all done well at times, all learning the game as jred aludes too.

As for PR, that's possibly right, it happens but it's what we want, a United Manchester United, us v them like it should be.


3.) 14 Apr 2017 21:16:36
Why should it be "us vs them"? It's a pathetic attitude and you're just buying into the whole PR thing which Jose wants you to do.


4.) 15 Apr 2017 09:56:35
Wazza don't presume to know anything I'm thinking, you must've missed the Fergie era then Wazza, a Definition of us v them, what's pathetic is some supporters turning on and borderline abusing players and the manager or the decision of manager/ club/ players when we draw a game or before a ball is even kicked or having a pop at posters on here for being positive or supporting the club or for not agreeing with their viewpoints.

Someone asked the other day why certain regular posters stopped posting, wonder why when you have posts like yours from someone who supports the same team calling fellow fans pathetic and telling them what they're thinking, embarrassing.


5.) 15 Apr 2017 11:48:22
Wazza, you just said Fergie had a 'pathetic attitude'. Get your coat ;)


6.) 15 Apr 2017 19:45:41
Here here, Welsh Red.


 

 

 

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18 Oct 2017 13:37:05
I see a long thread on one of these pages about how Jose is a coward and people discussing his replacement, are you serious? Jred laid it out, we've scored a load of goals and barely conceded in all competitions so far but after 1 draw away at a title rival some are disgusted.
May I remind you of the Moyes and LVG eras where we was all baying for us just to win a game and turn those 1-1's into 2-1 wins, we are now winning games at a canter but suddenly now that's not enough, we should be going all out at Anfield and maybe Jose isn't the man, have a word some of you, look at the guys record, everyone knew before we hired him what he can do away at a big club so let's not act like it's a shock, he's got us contending again and winning well.


1.) 18 Oct 2017 15:25:42
I saw a post from Marcellus on the Arsenal site for some reason (he's a United fan) which basically said:

1. We struggled to beat a poor Southampton team in the League Cup final
2. We had a pretty easy draw throughout the Europa Cup.
3. Until Liverpool we had played nobody in the top half.

I think the truth lies somewhere between his view and WRD's.

We are progressImg but watching City and Spurs shows what we are up against.

I remain unconvinced by Jose and I don't believe his heart is really in it, Ed suggested he was unhappy and II think he's sulking. Here's a question for you all. Wenger used to be fresh and radical test know he looks like yesterday's man. How far away is Jose form that? Seeing what Pochetino did last night was brilliant, 2 up front and take a risk. I just don't see Jose doing that against the big teams. So what you may say, he wins trophies. We'll see.


2.) 18 Oct 2017 15:40:59
Ajh
Jose won the title 3 year ago unlike Arsen .
Poch got a draw away from home last night .
If at the start of the season some one said after 11 games United would of won 9 drew 2 lost 0 scored 32 goals conceded 4 nearly every fan would of been happy .
Not sure what more people want really .
It was a poor performance on Saturday just like spurs 00 draw with Swansea it won't be the last .


3.) 18 Oct 2017 15:56:08
Maybe 32 goals scored .
People wouldn't be very happy with 32 conceded if I'm honest.


4.) 18 Oct 2017 16:11:38
Joses track record suggests he only has short stays at clubs, i. e. 2-3 years. So it would be wise for the club to have a contingency plan if mourinho sticks to type.


5.) 18 Oct 2017 16:14:09
I think I sent a post by accident.

I don't disagree jred, I have enjoyed almost all our games so far. However let's see how we progress against the bigger teams and what mood Jose is in as the odd hiccup arrives. Happy to chage my mind, Pogba is proving to be way better than this I thought but whilst I've enjoyed our great start, I remain slightly uncomfortable with Jose. And Lukaku for that matter. I think we might see Inra for the big games and Lukaku scoring hat fills against the rest.


6.) 18 Oct 2017 16:45:32
Jred, we have done well all season, won games scored goals,
The issue is we went to anfield against an average back 4 and an average keeper and we didn't test them. we sat back when we should have went at them and had a go.


7.) 18 Oct 2017 16:57:07
Agreed Leahy. Embarrassing performance from us.


8.) 18 Oct 2017 17:29:20
Leahy
In your opinion .
Liverpool have conceded 1 goal at home .
It very easy to say we should do this we should do that .
It looked a solid formation which I don't have an issue with against a strong attacking team away from home .
Our forwards where shocking, our passing in general was also shocking it was just a poor performance it happens .

But what your saying is if we had off had a go at them, set up gung ho all of our players would of played great.
The whole team would of been fantastic .

Is there any chance that after the international break etc the over hyped game we simple had a bad day at the office and played rubbish .


9.) 18 Oct 2017 17:35:42
If we had been playing say Madrid, Barcelona or Paris away in the knockout stages Europe a performance and result like that may be seen as professional . I think Liverpool seem to divide option as to wether it's a hard away game, two of our best players out be professional take the draw and no harm done or they aren't that great, iffy defense and gave them too much respect . Personally the answer was in the middle to me I understood the cautious approach but we should have offered a bit more than that as their decent but not top draw.
I hope and expect jm to realise if city continue steamrollering teams then we will need more than a dour draw in those type of games but we aren't at that point yet . I hope if we employ defensive tactics again we offer a bit more than we did on sat on the break.


10.) 18 Oct 2017 17:47:14
United v Chelsea last season .
Jose dropped ibra and played rash up top he dropped martial and Miki played linders young and fellaini also played darmian.
Herrera went man for man on hazard .
Sat behind the ball.

Won 2.0 it's a masterclass, great performance by the players on the day similar tactics to Saturday.


11.) 18 Oct 2017 18:02:38
I guess if Lukaku had taken his chance and we had won 1-0 we would be calling him a genius.

{Ed025's Note - but he never and you didn,t AJH and thats why he is getting the pelters he deserved mate..


12.) 18 Oct 2017 18:23:45
I can remember pointing out last season our defense was statistically good and people pointed out quite rightly yeah but they get a lot of cover and when we get a true defensive midfielder it will release others to play further forward . We get matic who's been one of our best players so far but first proper test and it didn't change our approach one jot. jose wins trophies but not thrill seekers .
Jm has found himself in a fortunate position now beating teams lower ranked handsomely, one or two have pointed out on here though not the hardest step to make as maybe we should have beat those teams last season aswell. I don't mean to sound to critical as one game against one decent team duznt mean all the other trickier games will be like that . all we know so far is we have learned to beat teams lower in the league easily and we can knock goals in against them and look good, we will be able to judge our progress in harder games in a few weeks and not on a one off game .


13.) 18 Oct 2017 18:48:37
Jred. I don't think Leahy is saying gung ho at all. He is saying we should have went for it a bit more. Any time lukaku got the ball there was no one near him, that's not down to our forwards having a poor game, that's down to tactics full stop.

You said yourself, we played badly so it's not just Leahys opinion bit also yours.

At the end of the day it's a point at anfield. Jose and many fans will see that as job done.

We have been very good of late, great start to the season it was the manner of the performance that fans are not happy with and rightfully so. It was a pathetic performance from a team that has been playing well against a team that really hasn't been playing well, that's all.


14.) 18 Oct 2017 19:09:09
Good thread. And wait for it. i'm in complete agreement with jred. Yeah i know!
We were awful and i don't agree with the approach but its what he will do 6 times a season. We might nick 2 draw 2 and lose 2 but i'd put up with that if the other 32 games were as enjoyable as the first 7 this season. That would win the league every season.
Its what jose does it frustrates me at times but its been a proven model for him. Simeone does the same at AM.
It was pathetic on sat.


15.) 18 Oct 2017 19:19:01
Angle
We played poor as a team .
The players had a off day .

Of course if we had played 3 up top all the same would players would of played great?

The balls in to lukaku where shocking our passing was shocking .
But if Jose had set up to attack more all of our passing would of been perfect?

Lukaku couldn't hold the ball up at all his first touch was poor ( was he playing with a knock) but a more attacking line up he would off been amazing, great first touch great hold up play?

Similar tactic to the Chelsea game imo, young darmian rash fellaini linders all brought in Herrera given 1 job look after hazard .

Players all played well so it's a masterclass.

Maybe it was just a bad game bad day at the office? Maybe we won't win every game 4.0 .

{Ed025's Note - dont try and justify saturdays performance (or non-performance should i say) as a tactical masterstroke jred, jose got it horribly wrong and proved all the supporters who think hes a cretin dead right mate..


16.) 18 Oct 2017 19:24:02
Against Chelsea rash and linders where very good
Miki hand lukaku had a mare .
Against Chelsea our passing was good our out balls where good, against the scouse shocking.

Similar tactics 1 good performance 1 bad performance .


17.) 18 Oct 2017 19:24:33
It's like we said we were scoring goal, We were getting forward then we went to an field and parked the bus. a bit frustrating.
Now some might say a good point away to Liverpool but for me you have to have a go.

{Ed025's Note - dead right leahy..


18.) 19 Oct 2017 09:25:06
WRD, that will be me I guess you’re referring to. I suggested the club find an alternative because Mourinho was talking about working for someone else because apparently his £15 million per year salary is not enough. Also after 18 months he is still living in a hotel. Put these two together and it tells me he has no interest in being at Man Utd. If this is the case, then what is so outrageous about suggesting we find someone who does want the job? What kind of message does his lack of commitment send to others at the club, especially the players?

It’s interesting you mention cowardice; I think you might be on to something. Top sports people need courage wheras Mourinho always bottles it in the big games. Last week’s Liverpool game was the latest example. Even last night we were pretty flat against a fairly poor team. Wheras Spurs had the courage to properly take on Madrid and Liverpool scored a hatful, we huffed and puffed and just about got a win because of a cock up from their keeper. So, you tell me whether that’s us contending and winning well as you say.

I think AJH has pretty much nailed it in his response to your post. Top Managers need to keep innovating and I don’t see Jose doing that. He’s starting to become yesterdays man so instead of all the BS and the bluster, let’s see if he’s got it in him to find an extra gear and come up with something different. Our aspiration is to be the best in Europe and we won’t achieve that by hiding everytime we come up against a decent team in a tricky game. I realise by saying this I am also agreeing with Jamie Carragher which is a first.

I’d love to see him do it but I think he’s too arrogant to see what’s required. I think he’ll stay for another year or two then leave for Paris. No doubt he’ll have improved us after the nightmare of Moyes and LvG but we will need someone else to take us to the next level of truly competing with the best.


19.) 19 Oct 2017 10:47:24
I’m sure the club are always on the look out and have contingency plans, Jose usually stays 3 years so it wouldn’t surprise me to see him leave after his contract.
Cowardice isn’t a word I’d associate with a man who has won everything in the game, people may not like his tactics in certain games but it generally gets the job done. I just feel it’s a massive overreaction to 1 result which when taken in isolation is a good point, everyone seems to have forgotten that we’ve not lost a single game and in fact won every game bar 2.
It seems fans are never happy, you can’t tell me if at the beginning of the season you’d have been offered being unbeaten with hatfuls of goals but oh there’s be a bit of a bore draw at Anfield you’d go ‘no this isn’t good enough’. I don’t see anyone out there who is better than Jose who can take us to the next level, Poch- won nothing, Klopp- gone nowhere, Pep- has found the Prem a struggle, who else? Nobody for me.
I feel the actual debate really is if people prefer style or substance.


20.) 19 Oct 2017 17:39:05
WRD; why can't we have both? This is Manchester Utd we are talking about. Serial winners with a tradition of playing high quality football.

When faced with difficult opposition the way Mourinho plays lacks courage. It takes bravery to believe in your own abilities and to try and impose yourself on quality opposition. It's this self belief which makes the difference between winners and talented also rans.

The problem with Jose's approach just at a practical level (nevermind stylistically) is fourfold:

Firstly it undermines the players self belief. His approach says to them that they aren't good enough to beat the other team. This then becomes self fulfilling.

Secondly, it's old hat and managers can work out what to do against it. Like Mourinho said; he was stumped because Klopp left three energetic midfielders on the pitch. If he didn't know how to beat a team because they do this then he needs a rethink. Wenger was once fresh and new but didn't re-invent himself. Mourinho is going the same way.

THirdly, its accepting of losing a certain amount of points - if we go for a draw at all the away games at top six clubs then we are deliberately trying to forfeit 12 points which are their to play for. Those 12 points could lose us the league.

Forthly, this pragmatic approach is not enough against the best. We couldn't even beat Liverpool using it so what chance does this approach have against Madrid, Barca, Juve, Bayern, City etc especially in a knock out competition?

We should be aspiring to go toe to toe and beat these teams, not hiding away from them. You say Jose wins stuff and he has. That isn't to say he will continue to win in the future.

Our ambition is the league not the league cup and the champions league not the cup winners cup. To achieve this our team and our manager need the courage to believe in their own abilities

Parking the bus.


 

 

15 Oct 2017 10:02:52
Well i thought 1st half was ok, second half was a washout all round tbh, Liverpool didn't play their usual hung go attacking play which is either United once again totally nullifiying that or Liverpool was just using similar spoiling tactics to us, we showed little ambition in 2nd.
End of the day it's a good point, we aren't going to play the 'city way' whatever that is but we are going to be up there and it'll be us or city at the end.
Be prepared for more of the same against Spurs and particularly at Chelsea, this is what Jose will do, win majority of games, not lose the bigger games and maybe nick a win from some of them, we just have to accept that.
I'm not that unhappy tbh, unbeaten, right in the thick of it and as someone said we could've just lost our 3rd game of season at Palace.


1.) 15 Oct 2017 11:10:05
Maybe against city but I think Jose will take the game to Chelsea and spurs.


 

 

13 Oct 2017 09:18:36
So the excitement or is that nerves are starting to jangle, the fixture of any season, always love but hate this fixture at the same time and certainly will define fans mood for the forseeable.
Liverpool probably need the win more than us but wouldn't it be great to go 10 clear already or them.
United I expect to be cautious, especially first 25 mins but offer a threat on the counter attack.
Mane out, Couts and Firmino travelled to and from Brazil, Pogba obvs out, Fellaini who has proved a key player for us out, I think that will be a big blow for us actually.
A draw will be viewed a good result of course, but looking at City's next 2 games Stoke (h) Burnley (h) and us having Chelsea and Spurs upcoming i'd like us to have a go at that Liverpool defence, we shall see but one thing I know is it'll be an unbearable day with some of my scouse supporting mates it we lose.


1.) 13 Oct 2017 09:28:05
I agree with everything there WRD. I believe we will be cautious starting off. I think we will be looking to hit them on the counter and open the scoring. As the game goes on it will open up and I think Liverpool will become more stretched.

Although it's a type of one off game where form goes out the window, I really believe we will put at least 2 past them tomorrow and could really punish them. I cannot see how they will be able to handle us going forward, their defence and resolve looks very shaky at the moment and we could put a few past them.

I just hope our defence stays solid and doesn't make any mistakes.


2.) 13 Oct 2017 10:55:43
Im with you guys. This is my favourite fixture of any season. The game i always most want us to win and never to lose. Great rivalry and i have great respect for their history and records if i had my way liverpool would be 2nd in every competition every year because if there is one thing better than liverpool losing its liveroool nearly winning then losing😂😂
That aside i think tomorrow is a huge game for both sides and could possibly be the spring board for the winners to really kick on for the next few matches. If we win and i do expect us to then we go 10 points clear of them. We then make all those people that say we haven't been tested take notice. It will top up the squads confidence and give us real mental strength going into the spurs and chelsea matches coming up.
If liverpool win they will come out of the slump be banging their hairy german chests and win a few games until their next inevitable mini slump. A draw would not be a bad result for either side.
I suspect that jose may go with 3 at the back.
Id prefer 4 and the set up that's been working but jose while i'm sure he believes we can win will approach it as a must not lose game firstly.
For me its all about couthino stop he and to a lesser extent salah then that's the attack nullified. Herrera may be asked to do a job on couts like he did on hazard before.
Their defence is poor particularly on the left so i expect toni v to exploit that and for either rash or martial to torment gomez or TAA.
Matic has to be at his aggresive best closing down spaces and tracking runners and i think lukaku will be like a beast tomorrow to show the world he can do it on the big occasion running channels closing down hold the ball up well and getting on the end of chances, his work rate tomoorow will show us if he is the real deal and wants to be the best.
Miki not traditionally great in the fastest paced games. The harum scarum games have not been his best. But he is playing with great confidence he will want to deliver tomorrow to prove that he can operate when everything is 100mph.
I can't wait.
Herrera and bailly need to show cool heads. Both can get a bit excitable at times. Tomorrow is about keeping cool heads under the most extreme pressure. Keep the crowd quiet for 1st 20 mins give them no encouragement.
Lose and its a crap weekend win and its like a bank holiday weekend.
All i want is for tbe players tomorrow to do themselves justice to give their all in every minute and to walk off the pitch with their heads held high and lukaku to be carring the match ball after his hat trick.


 

 

11 Oct 2017 18:30:55
I am a welsh fan and always support wales best I can but god I hate international breaks, they are so boring, I would much rather club football and don't think I would be bothered if international footy was abolished, and these breaks we have seemingly every month, surely there is a better system that suits both domestic and national managers?


 

 

17 Sep 2017 09:58:47
Just wanna add to the ken/ Jred thread further down, hats off guys, both make compelling views for reasons you support this great club. I can see ken's point about this unsung heros behind the scenes but can also agree with jred cz it's the players on the pitch and the displays, the mangers of we've had, styles we've played is what made people fall in love with united.
Personally, my dad is a united fan and the reason I am, he grew up and taught me about the busby babes, Munich, best, law and Charlton, the average 80's playing second fiddle to Liverpool was as much a reason to be such a staunch united fan and then growing up during the 90's and 00's was an unbelievable era to support this club, spoilt really, is why so many say they want the united way now cz that's what Sir Matt and Fergie brought generations up on. I know that the owners and chairman have made things possible for us all to hire managers and buy players but it's being taught and watching footage of Edwards, Best, Robson then seeing Cantona, Keane, Scholes, treble winners that make you feel what we feel for the club, seeing busby hug George and Fergie run on the pitch v Wednesday, seeing Solskjaer win us the CL and Scholes hit belters at Bradford is why I love Man Utd, so for me the platform is given by the unsung heros but its the manger the players and the history that makes United the most romantic club in the world.


 

 

 

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31 Aug 2017 12:12:29
Doesn't he live in London and own a phone for communicating purposes?


 

 

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15 Aug 2017 22:24:50
Rather we waited on griezmann next summer. Happy with rash/ martial/ Lingard/ mata for the wide areas at present tbh.


 

 

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20 Jul 2017 17:43:47
Next summer I imagine, Griezmann will also play in the CL for Atletico this season before January so will be ineligible for another team in that.


 

 

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18 Jul 2017 21:40:29
Weigl.


 

 

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14 Jul 2017 18:48:00
Darmian united offered but was cash that still wasn't enough apparently.


 

 

 

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20 Oct 2017 13:08:16
Why is it that under any united management mata hasn’t really played in or nailed down that number 10 role? Rooney in the way, Miki now or isn’t he trusted there or is it because he is trusted more than any other on that right side?


 

 

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20 Oct 2017 08:33:17
Be surprised if Ozil would want to stay in the Prem after getting battered by the media at Arsenal for being perceived as lazy, be under even more scrutiny at United. Top player imo.


 

 

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19 Oct 2017 10:47:24
I’m sure the club are always on the look out and have contingency plans, Jose usually stays 3 years so it wouldn’t surprise me to see him leave after his contract.
Cowardice isn’t a word I’d associate with a man who has won everything in the game, people may not like his tactics in certain games but it generally gets the job done. I just feel it’s a massive overreaction to 1 result which when taken in isolation is a good point, everyone seems to have forgotten that we’ve not lost a single game and in fact won every game bar 2.
It seems fans are never happy, you can’t tell me if at the beginning of the season you’d have been offered being unbeaten with hatfuls of goals but oh there’s be a bit of a bore draw at Anfield you’d go ‘no this isn’t good enough’. I don’t see anyone out there who is better than Jose who can take us to the next level, Poch- won nothing, Klopp- gone nowhere, Pep- has found the Prem a struggle, who else? Nobody for me.
I feel the actual debate really is if people prefer style or substance.


 

 

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15 Oct 2017 22:23:40
Is this that some at the club still see a blue tinge around Jose, being away from his family etc?


 

 

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15 Oct 2017 19:39:32
I think he will prob manage Portugal at some point and then prob retire after that. Hopefully he’s at united for another contract after this tho.

{Ed001's Note - it is not Portugal that he is eyeing up.}