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Favourite player: Ole Gunner Solskjear


Best team moment: Champions league final 1999


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18 Mar 2019 22:19:22
Ed002, are United still interested in Carlos Soler? You mentioned him as a possible target a while back and I've kept a close eye on him since. Looks like he will be some player.

Shappy

{Ed002's Note - No, but there is interest from another EPL side in Carlos Soler.}


1.) 19 Mar 2019 06:32:16
Thanks, that's a shame he looks like he will become a top player.


 

 

26 Jan 2019 08:49:10
Do the Ed's or any fellow posters know anything about the young 17 year old African midfielder Hanson MBopp we have been linked to this morning?

Shappy

1.) 26 Jan 2019 09:15:01
One hit wonder.


2.) 26 Jan 2019 09:21:46
DDG 1, bravo, take the rest of the month off. You win the site. :)


3.) 26 Jan 2019 09:30:05
Shappy you ok lectured us a couple of weeks ago telling and urging us not to read these types of rumours. are you bi-polar 😂😂😂😂.


4.) 26 Jan 2019 10:17:53
DDG1, comment of the month, bravo 👏🏻.


5.) 26 Jan 2019 10:30:30
Saturday morning fishing Shappy?
DDG1 one for the archives that answer is!


6.) 26 Jan 2019 10:46:46
Duwudada doowapp.


7.) 26 Jan 2019 11:53:42
DDG1, I'll have to get up a little earlier if I want to catch you. lol. I was hoping everyone had been out celebrating last night, hoped I'd catch a few. lol.


8.) 26 Jan 2019 12:33:45
We're looking at quote a lot of young players. Hearing a lot of things about young Swiss midfielder Toby Le Rone.


9.) 26 Jan 2019 13:04:21
Mort, I've heard he's quite tasty. Lol.


10.) 26 Jan 2019 13:52:10
Good with triangles too.


11.) 26 Jan 2019 13:53:55
A bit up and down.


12.) 26 Jan 2019 14:17:42
Probably still be better than floppy keita.


13.) 26 Jan 2019 15:15:55
I hear he’s a nougat’y young Midfielder.
Gets stuck in.


14.) 26 Jan 2019 15:54:06
A good run and this site is a joy to visit. Top work boys.


15.) 26 Jan 2019 18:49:05
I wonder what's happened to our cheerful friend Beast.


16.) 26 Jan 2019 23:02:49
I do miss beast he had some good input most of the time.


 

 

23 Jan 2019 11:58:06
Ed002, I see we are being linked in the press with a move for Paul Mitchell again. Obviously the fact that he has worked with Pochettino at two different clubs and Pochettino is apparently our number one target is the basis of these links.

Are the club interested in Mitchell? And what's your opinion of him as a candidate for the Director of football role our club is pursuing?

Thanks.

Shappy

{Ed002's Note - Red Bull think a lot of him and for the past couple of months have been exploring a new global role for him as another EPL side has shown an interest. I am not aware of any approach by MU.}


1.) 23 Jan 2019 18:31:19
Cheers, Ed002.

{Ed002's Note - I would not want to see MU opt for Mitchell. It would not work in my opinion, but maybe to really move a head the club need to take the knife to the bad part of the apple?}


2.) 23 Jan 2019 18:40:03
Which part of the club is the bad part, in your opinion, Ed?

{Ed002's Note - The pointed bit.}


3.) 23 Jan 2019 20:14:34
Fascinating, from what I can find out about Mitchell he sounds like a United fans dream. Looks towards youth, won't sign players to block the pathway of young players, has unearthed some great signings for the clubs he works for.

So why do you feel Mitchell wouldn't work? And what is the bad part of the apple you allude to?

Thanks.


4.) 24 Jan 2019 06:06:39
The problem with that Shappy is blooding youth and winning trophies in basically impossible at this current time. We have a few very talented kids coming through, but what manager would risk their job here trying to make sure the kids get their chance?


5.) 24 Jan 2019 06:46:23
Mumbles, the right one for our club. We have only ever had consistent success under two managers. Sir Matt and Sir Alex, both built that success on blooding youth players.

Giving youth a chance is what Manchester United is about, a 80 year record of having an academy graduate in the match day squad is unmatched by any club anywhere in the world.


6.) 24 Jan 2019 10:30:17
Thanks for the info ed. Is it true that Andrea Berta is reconsidering now that Jose has left? I thought he was one of the people who jose was happy to work with? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of anything happening with Andrea Berta right now.}


7.) 24 Jan 2019 11:06:28
Perfect thanks for the swift reply Ed.


8.) 24 Jan 2019 15:57:50
Isn't an apple with a pointed bit just a pear?


 

 

01 Nov 2018 21:36:19
Teams for the Matt Hawker Charity Cup 2019 - brought to you by Boyne Valley
15th June 2019

Ed001's - Lee's United

( C ) Ken
Benny Baller
Liver1980
Rustler
John From Wigan
LeeLee14
Magic Marl
23carragold
Crouchy
Red Reaper
BXL RED
Saints-fan (GK)
Salah

Ed002's - Frunobulax Rovers
( C ) Koppite_68
Red Rout
Grandmaster Ramrod (GK)
Atko1982
Shappy
WelshScouse
WhiteYAYA
Mermaid Megger
Morro6590
Cotsi
Groomy5
MK scouser
Jamesmack8

Big thanks to 077 for setting up the live chat, and to 001 and 002 for giving their time, and once again, supporting the football-rumours charity match, in aid of Macmillan Nurses and Seva Foundation.

Would love an attendance from fellow posters. I know most of use will be going out for some bevvies after. So well worth the trip guys.

Shappy

1.) 02 Nov 2018 15:05:33
Don't worry Shaps, I got your back.


2.) 02 Nov 2018 16:43:52
And watch yours james😁.

{Ed002's Note - I'll have a large gin and tonic please.}


3.) 02 Nov 2018 17:28:15
I think there might be more United fans on our team. So I guess the site will have to be on our side. lol.


 

 

17 Jul 2018 11:05:15
169 Goals at this years World Cup. Which means I'd like to invite.
Salah - 167
Jamesmack8 - 165
Red Reaper - 162
Laney - 160

To play in the 2019 Matt Hawker charity game.
Thanks to everyone who had a guess, and any drop outs I'll contact the next closest.

Next phase will be when Ed001 and 002 pick their two tribes to go to war.
We did a live chat where they took turns picking last year, I think we did it around November? So let's aim for then :)

Posted on behalf of Benny Baller.

Shappy

{Ed002's Note - I'll get on to the kits then.}


1.) 17 Jul 2018 14:09:58
Last time Salah will win anything this season ;)


 

 

 

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Manchester United should give Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at least 2 more years as Manager

22 Apr 2019 11:08:12
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, Manchester United should give Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at least 2 more years as Manager

Shappy

1.) 22 Apr 2019 11:13:19
Nice post Shappy.


2.) 22 Apr 2019 11:24:40
Well written article and appropriate amount of focus on the board. Also good to focus on the players mentality and desire, agree partly with the notion that you would take less talented players than pogba but work harder instead.

But no focus given on the tactical and technical elements that ole is looking to introduce. I haven't seen any inkling of a style or plan from him over this 5 month period. There looked to be an attacking style forming but that seemed to regress back to defensive reactive football pretty soon.

Which brings me back to player who has 80% of pogbas ability but is more hard working. He will still fail due to our inability to build play from the back when we just hoof it long to lukaku. He will still have a sluggish nemanja matic protecting the back 4 unable to win the ball back. He will still play the ball to romelu lukaku and see him unable to hold it up and play off him. He will still look out to the right hand side and see no one there or maybe see a tired ashley young failing to put in his 27th cross accurately.

Or will his hard work and endeavour make up for those tactical and technical shortfalls in the squad?


3.) 22 Apr 2019 11:39:26
Well if Mike phelan gets appointed in a board capacity, we might as well forget about and re structure or progression. God himself be given the managers job and he'd still struggle to finish in top 4.


4.) 22 Apr 2019 12:03:54
Good post dsg, angel if he gets that job, we will be the next 5 years going backwards.


5.) 22 Apr 2019 12:09:02
That’s a great post shappy.


6.) 22 Apr 2019 12:12:19
Good post Shappy.


7.) 22 Apr 2019 12:12:32
DSG, I think there was a clear style that started to be implemented at the start of Ole's reign. We pressed higher and looked to hit teams quickly and at pace. However, soon it became apparent that the players were physically unable to maintain that style. We also had problems breaking teams down that sat deep, with us unable to build successfully from the back. At that time the demands of Ole's style pushed many of our players into the "red zone" and we picked up a number of injuries. Unfortunately building up a level of fitness can't be achieved mid season. This is why in my opinion Ole often talks about pre-season being an important time moving forwards. To enable him to bring in that sort of style not only will he need to bring in several players to suit that style, but he will also need a full pre-season to condition and drill the players to play that way. Since it became apparent he wouldn't be able to implement that style for the entirety of this season he has had to adapt. That has meant the team has regressed somewhat.

I strongly suspect we will see something much closer to his first few games from the start of next season. The issue next season is we will unlikely have a strong enough squad to maintain a harder running style throughout the whole season and we will likely struggle in the last couple of months with injuries and a general running out of legs. Similar to Liverpool in Klopp's first season or two. It is only now he has been able to build a bigger, deeper squad that Liverpool have been able to maintain a title challenge right into the closing moments of the season. This is one of the reasons I have said he will need at least 2 years. Hopefully this summer he can build the first 11 he wants, then next summer he can add another 4-5 first 11 quality players with whom he can rotate and challenge the first 11 for a starting spot, allowing them to rotate will stay fresher into the later stages of the season.


8.) 22 Apr 2019 13:46:28
Well said Shappy.


9.) 22 Apr 2019 14:07:29
Shapps great post and response. Good analysis.
Can’t fault any with your post. 👍.


10.) 22 Apr 2019 15:26:11
Shappy- respect mate for taking the time to write these insightful posts. Great points.

On the point of pre season being so important, this makes it even more vital that we don't end up in a Europa qualifying round in July. Wouldn hardly be ideal for a full blown rebuild.

Then again the European football supremo that is Mick Phelan as technical director wouldn't be ideal for a rebuild either. Another vastly under-qualified Fergie favourite being given such a key role would mean this club still hasn't learned anything.


11.) 22 Apr 2019 20:55:06
Yes it will take time, but could i ask if people think Ole will actually get the time he needs? To buy the "right fit" players impart the ethos, work the academy is the right thing to do but consistently across the last 6 years managers are given 3-5 months before all and sundry are moaning, whining etc. I think we are still drunk on Fergies success and it'll maybe take a few more managers until we accept a rebuilding "long term" strategy. go on shoot me.

{Ed002's Note - He will have some involvement in deciding on players but not to any great extent. The academy is nothing to do with him at all.}


12.) 22 Apr 2019 22:21:39
Thanks Ed, clarity as always appreciated.


 

 

04 Apr 2019 17:03:30
So United Addict (Ahem Maze), has decided to go in double footed on OGS.

I have said that Ole isn't the perfect manager, but I feel he might be the right fit for us currently as he should be able to reinstate certain qualities we have lost since Sir Alex departed.

For me there are 4 main criteria for a United manager, in order of importance to me they are:

1, Play offensive and entertaining football.

2, Promote youth, develop and improve the players under their command.

3, Challenge for titles and cups.

4, Respect the traditions and history of the club.

Now if for me if you do the first two well then the third one will automatically follow. The forth one is a new one I have added after some of the comments made by previous managers. It should just be a given, yet for some reason in modern society that isn't the case.

So Maze, sorry United Addict gave forward these names as manager he feels fit the brief, Allegri, Tuchel, Pochettino, Nagelsmann and Blanc.

So let's go through them. Allegri is a great manager, I wouldn't say his style was particularly offensive but he isn't a park the bus coach. His record with young players is patchy at best, often preferring to buy in players rather than promote youth. However, the real issue is that he has been messed around by the club before and is unlikely to want to get involved again. Plus Ed002 has said he is likely to move elsewhere this summer.

Tuchel is an interesting one. His sides play good football, he has developed and improved his players and he has won a title or at least he is about to, albeit with PSG. That will be his first title win and only his third cup win after the DFB-Pokal with Dortmund and Trophee des Champions with PSG. However, he is under contract with PSG currently. He could be an interesting option, but as shown he is far from guaranteed to bring success.

Pochettino, ticks the style and youth boxes well, and is settled in England. However, he is yet to prove himself a winner and at least presently is a nearly man. Does he have the ability to breed a winning mentality in his players?

Nagelsmann is an excellent young manager who has torn up trees in the Bundesliga. He has shown ability in developing players. Yet you would have to seriously stretch your imagination to say his style if offensive or entertaining. His team stifles the life out of teams and rely on goals from set pieces or the occasional counter attack. He also he has yet to win anything with his approach.

Blanc is the last name thrown forward and actually probably the best for steadying the ship. His style of play is relatively balanced, possession based approach. He has had some success developing players, but should probably have done better with some players he has managed. He has also had success in France with Bordeaux as well as PSG. However, he has been out of work for a couple of years for a reason. And has never managed outside of France.

None of these managers guarantee to tick all or even half of the four criteria I put forward or are even available.

Ole, has shown he is prepared to try and bring back a more offensive style in keeping with our traditions, he has given youth a chance and has improved some of our players in a very short space of time. He clearly values the clubs traditions and history and will obviously respect them. The only one he can't guarantee is winning titles. However, we should consider he won the title with Molde for the first time in their history against teams with bigger resources. Which means he has won more titles as a manager than Pochettino. Ole might not be the right person long term, but he might yet be the perfect man for right now. He can steady the ship and get us pointing in the right direction again while hopefully the boardroom and behind the scenes gets sorted.

Shappy

1.) 04 Apr 2019 17:33:59
no one knows if anyone will be good long term,

im sure if this site was around back when fergie started maze sorry addict would be calling for his head.


we have tried proven managers and its got us to where we are now.


Woodward is the biggest problem atm but i'm sure the YES man as described won't stay around if he isn't going to be backed, the difference with previous managers is that OLE is one of us a fan and give him TIME to make his stamp on the team.


2.) 04 Apr 2019 17:48:57
👏👏 good points Shapps.


3.) 04 Apr 2019 18:33:48
There are questions surrounding 1 and 2 with Ole.

I haven’t seen much evidence of Ole playing attack orientated entertaining over the last two months. The team has started reverting to the Jose posture of sitting deep, and trying to hit teams on the counter. After the initial bounce in performances, in the immediate aftermath of sacking Jose, the performances have dropped, and we have, generally, played quite uninventive boring football.

In addition, Ole hasn’t really given youth a much bigger role. There have been a few cameos, but nothing substantial. Last week people were criticising Chelsea for not playing Hudson-Odoi, but Ole has played Mata, Sanchez, and players who weren’t fully fit rather than giving Chong a chance. As for improving the players we have, performances have declined the more time he has had with the squad.

Maze is obviously exaggerating things, but we should be honest about what Ole has done. I want him to succeed, but he needs to start leaving his mark on the squad and pushing us to play a faster more intensive game.


4.) 04 Apr 2019 18:46:54
Shappy

Will the boardroom get sorted though? I can only see that happening if we get new owners who demand a different structure. A DOF is unlikely to be as successful as they should be, if they report to Woodward. There is an argument, a very good one, that all of those managers bar Blanc should be considered in front of Ole, but it appears they weren’t even considered and that is my major bugbear. I see we tried proven managers argument, which ones, Moyes? Give me a break, LvG was past his best and should have been to set up the structure for Pep, but it seems we had no plan. The only one proven was Mourinho and whilst he created problems, he also wasn’t supported and the players were allowed to dictate. One proven manager out of four, why?

I know you say he has given youth a chance but where were they on Tuesday, not one even on the bench? Ole went with experience because I believe he thinks the stakes are so high.

Ole may work, heaven knows we all want him to but it is a high risk roll of the dice that slaps of what I said weeks ago, sentimentality. The risk and the downside if it goes wrong is serious.


5.) 04 Apr 2019 18:53:15
Style wise, Ole started bright, but we seem to have reverted to a counterattacking style more often than not. Of the managers listed above, I would say that Allegri is practical and flexible, Blanc is possession based, Pochettino sets his teams up well with possession and pressing. Of all of them, I think that Tuchel would bring the most striking tactical imprint. But with all of them, the question remains. And even as we learned with Jose, a winning resume does not guarantee winning in the future.


6.) 04 Apr 2019 19:13:52
Danny has got it spot on, look at it without Ole tinted glasses and things haven't improved that much. A few great results lifted the mood, but the football in the main has been unexciting apart from a few quick counters and some late dramas. I want Ole to succeed, I would love nothing more than to bring back the good times under the guidance of a legend, but we are so far behind City and Liverpool in quality and entertainment, I worry Ole hasn't got the experience to change so much. Still I think he should get at least 3 years to turn round 7 years of Sh*t. I would like to see us buy young hungry talent, that wants to become United greats. No more big names just to sell shirts. Players like Declan Rice, David Brooks, Wan bissaka, and James Maddison.


7.) 04 Apr 2019 20:15:22
The boardroom won't get sorted, not by any new manager, not by any director of football or technical director and not by the fans.

It could be by the fans if we could all pull together, but as we can't even get behind a club legend then it's clearly not going to happen.

Ole needs time, I think injuries mostly brought about by the change in intensity and style have caused the management team to have a slight rethink about how they approach this season. Let's give them time, a transfer window and a pre-season and let see how they do.


8.) 04 Apr 2019 21:14:29
Fully agree Shappy good posts.


9.) 04 Apr 2019 22:11:07
I think one of the eds mentioned somethung about Phelan and how it is who is setting the teams up in terms of how they play.

The way we are playing is the way fergie used to play but without Rooney, Giggs, Scholes etc.

I sont think thwre is any manager out there that could miracles with what we have.

If we are not going to be serious about signing top. player and replacing them with mediocre players then it is best to stay with Ole.

I don't think we are going to be challenging for the premeir league or championes league in the n3xt five years with the way the likes of City and Liverpool are playing and setting up for the long term future we should just forget about winning and lower our expectations.


10.) 04 Apr 2019 22:19:57
Shaps. I think most of us are behind Ole. I certainly am. But if one believes what Ed02 said at the time of his appointment as interim manager, that there was no intention whatsoever to hire him on a permanent basis, then doesn't this point to issues of a different sort. Yesterday I suggested that maybe there simply wasn't anyone coming forward who might be regarded as better than Ole. I also suggested that it looked like Ferguson's hand was in this decision and that the problems at United are part of a conflict between an outdated old guard and a management team that has no idea what they are doing in football terms. I got roundly disagreed with! But it hasn't changed my mind. The problems rest squarely on a club structure that after 5 years hasn't yet adjusted to the new realities.

I hope Ole can bring us around next season. Given the gaps in the team, and what appears to me a toxic management team that has no ability at all to acquire the very best players, and the second best ones at well over the odds, I have to say it's a tall order. May they prove me wrong.


11.) 04 Apr 2019 22:55:22
Ole was bought in to steady the ship and that's where it should have stayed, why he got the job is beyond me, now I like ole but that shouldn't give him the job smiles and all that,
And so what if the posters name was maze or whatever it was, that's his own business, and he is entitled to his own opinion, and he hasn't said anything wrong,
United addict good posts, your only saying what your seeing in front of you.


12.) 04 Apr 2019 23:02:20
Think people need to keep things in perspective.

The squad of players we have is not good enough and we all know that. It is also universally known that we need to get rid of a number of players and ideally bring in 4 (RB, CB, RM/ RW and CM) .

Ole has only been in the hot seat for just over 3 months he hasn’t had a pre-season or any new signings to bed in.

Hi win ratio has been good and if we had something similar for the 17 games before he arrived then we would be 3rd and comfortably in a CL place. Even if we accept losing at City and Liverpool plus losing at home to Spurs etc. We would of picked up more points in some of the away games at Brighton, West Ham and Southampton plus the home games against Wolves, Palace and Arsenal.
Add one extra win and change a draw to a win and we are currently 3rd. All ifs, buts and maybe’s I know but Ole is getting the basics right and putting the sides outside of the top 8 to bed.

Until we get the defence solid we can’t plas as we would ideally like.
We can’t have balance in our attacking play until we have a recognised quality right sided forward player.

You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear.


13.) 05 Apr 2019 05:53:50
Excellent post Shappy, deserves to pinned on the top for sometime.
We need to be practical in terms of our expectations.

Firstly, until Woodward remains in charge of footballing side, we cannot expect to match the progress of top teams.

Secondly, we need to recruit the right type of players starting this summer.

Finally, back the manager. He needs our support.


14.) 05 Apr 2019 10:21:11
Out of those 5 none really convince. Nagelsmann has the wrong style. Poch can't win anything. Blancs out of work for a reason. Allegri is totally the wrong fit so is no surprise he almost got the job. And Tuchel is probably the best of those.


15.) 05 Apr 2019 23:40:35
Let's see how next season goes before we judge Ole. He has made a promising start, nothing more nothing less. He has made a lot of Utd fans enjoy their football again and that is very important. However, the true test is how his methods translate to a full season. Until then everything is moot and anything we get out of this season is a bonus.


16.) 06 Apr 2019 09:19:10
Finally some common sense, 12 days.


 

 

03 Apr 2019 09:31:21
This really is quite pathetic, sad even. I know not everyone had Ole as their first choice but to start berating him 5 days into him getting the job on a full time basis is pathetic. What did you expect?

The problems at our club are numerous and that is something we all agree on.

Everyone see's Ed Woodward as probably the biggest problem at the club, his poor handling and over inflated ego is damaging everything he touches, which unfortunately is almost everything. No manager can change this, and until we get a Director of Football or a Technical Director that will not change. In fact, even then it is unlikely to change as I fully expect Ed Woodward to still have the final say on nearly all matters.

The players still lack that heart and desire that all great United teams have had. Is that a modern footballer problem? Are they all over paid and under educated leading to inflated egos? If so then how do we and other clubs combat that moving forward? Personally I don't see that has a problem for every footballer, but we do have too many in our squad who clearly think a little too highly of themselves.
As has been pointed out, changing the manager is only a short term solution when the problem is the players. As yet the club and the manager haven't had a real opportunity to ship out "problem" players. Nor has there been a real chance to bring in the right sort of players. Ergo the problems we have had under previous managers will still be prevalent under our current manager.

As for yesterday's game, the over reaction is quite frankly ridiculous. Firstly, Wolves are a very good side with an excellent manager (definately the best manager outside the top six and arguably better than some managers at top six clubs, in fact currently I would say only Klopp and Pep are performing better than Nuno) . Then when we look at the game, we battered them for the first 20 minutes and could have been 3-0 up game finished. Unfortunately we didn't score enough goals during that spell. We then gave away a stupid goal from what is typical defensive errors from these players. Our confidence wobbled while Wolves gained a boost. Then the second half was ruined for us when Young got sent off for a stupid challenge. Then top that off with Smalling and surprisingly DDG combining to gift Wolves the winning goal and it was a comedy of errors for which no manager can prepare or plan for.

It's not Ole's fault that the defensive options available to him are poor and error prone. So let's not hang him for the mistakes of his predecessors.

Now is Ole the perfect manager? No, but as I have said previously who is? Which manager offers:
1, attacking and entertaining football
2, winning titles and cups
3, promoting and developing youth
4, understanding and appreciation for the clubs history and traditions

If you disagree then name a manager who offers all of this. If not then whoever we hire will potentially be lacking in at least one of these areas. My point is we can always find a suitable stick to beat a manager with, but to what end? What do we gain from slating a manager and ultimately pushing them towards the exit door. We did it with Moyes, we did it with LvG and we did it with Mourinho. What benefit has it brought the club?

Most of our problems stem from higher up than the manager, so now we have a manager who truly gets the club, a manger who cares about the club. Sure he has his short comings, but now we have a manager who we should all unite behind because he is one of us. If we are to try and force changes at the club we need to be criticising the people who are making the real errors which are costing us. The people making the poor signings, the people giving out huge contracts to substandard players and the people allowing our best players to leave on a free due to them being allowed to run their contracts down. None of these errors are the fault of our manager.

We NEED to back this manager, as if we can't back one of our own we will never be United again.

Shappy

{Ed004's Note - Fantastic post. Completely agree. There is no point berating the manager until he has time to make a few signings. The amount of average players in the squad is staggering. Young, Jones, Bailly, Rojo, Smalling, Fred, Perreria, McTominay, Mata, Lingard etc. No manager in world football would have a side winning the league with that group of players playing regularly yet Ole has us playing at league winning form since he took over. Currently, only De Gea, Lindelof, Shaw, Pogba (before his dip), Rashford and maybe Martial/Lukaku are good enough for our first choice eleven. This summer is massive for our transition, but it feels like we are saying this every summer and Woodward hasnt lived up to it. We probably need 5 first team signings if we want to compete next season}


1.) 03 Apr 2019 10:03:36
Couldn’t agree more shappy. How come us we mortals the fans can see what is going on but billionaire owners haven’t got a scooby. Most of these players are not Utd standard never have been and never will. For me this coming season is absolutely massive for us, get it wrong again and it could be another 5 years in the wilderness.


2.) 03 Apr 2019 10:06:19
Agree Shappy/ ed004
Dont think DDG is on his game at the moment as well. Could be lack of confidence in those in front of him contract rumours or both but he ain't the super keeper of late that he has. Hope its a temp blip . Pogba was poor last nite but still take nothing away from wolves- he has a close talented group working their socks off and to be fair playing very attractive football at times.

{Ed004's Note - Except Liverpool have any top side went there and won this season. They beat Spurs 3-1 in Wembley too if my memory serves me correctly. They are a very strong side}


3.) 03 Apr 2019 10:07:59
Until the people at the top and the manager are all singing from the same hymn sheet with regards to signings and the direction of the club I fear this is going to be the case for quite a few more summers yet.


4.) 03 Apr 2019 10:14:26
We shpuldve backed Mourinho but we didn't who is to say Ole will be backed.

We are not winning anything until we get rid of half the team who are just not good enough to be in a title winning team.

We have been soft for a number of years and we need to harden up and make some tough decisions.


5.) 03 Apr 2019 10:14:28
Shappy while I agree with you, you are letting ole off the hook too easily. Yesterday's loss wasn't totally his fault but he is responsible for recent results.
Dropping mctominay especially when was doing well while giving matic a long run before dumping him, prematurely playing lingard which extended his injury period, these are his decisions that have hurt us. Young has been nothing but rubbish this season, yet he continues to keep his place. Fred's first touch rivals lukaku's and still ole in his wisdom decided to play him as the deepest of the midfield 3. Sure we were great for 20 mins yesterday but couldn't score, against Watford it was exact opposite where we were poor but somehow took the only chance that came our way first half, we can't have it both ways. It's now 3 losses in 4 with Barcelona next, city and Chelsea still to come. Honeymoon period is well and truly over for him and he now needs to show that he can manage the team without having the thank god we got rid of the other guy environment helping him.


6.) 03 Apr 2019 10:18:21
We have arguably only one world class player in ddg who this season has not been the player we all know.

We don't have a consistent team playing every week because the players can't perform to a standard every week.

We have 0 leaders. No one organises and I don't ever see anyone having a go. It's all nice.

Gone are the days of a keano when needed would give you a kick up the arse.

Ole has done a miracle even getting us back in contention of a top 4 place. and regardless of what kind of manager people think he is he 100000000p percent deserved to get the job.

We are bang average in defence. Bang average in the centre. attack is the only area we don't need to work on getting players in although we are not as clinical I think with time they can be


You can not expect to win games with the likes of young smalling and Jones playing in defence . lindoff has improved and still has a long way to go

We paid 90 million for a player who I haven't seen perform for weeks

When he turns up we are a different team but we can't just rely on pogba other players have to step up

Although now it looks like 4th is realistically not going to be for us this season. other teams might slip up.


We make to many . mistakes and against decent sides its pubished and you lose.


The players need to step up we've Barcelona next and perform like the past 5 weeks and we are in deep trouble it could be an embarrassment of a result.


Ole at the wheel.


7.) 03 Apr 2019 10:54:30
One of the best post Shappy.
Some of the posts from our fans are just disgraceful.

csm, we do not have adequate quality players to rotate right now. Mctominay played a flurry of games when Matic was injured. So may be he was rested and Matic was being slowly integrated.

If we play the pressing game throughout, then almost the entire squad will be out injured. They are not yet ready to cope up with this style.
So the real work starts this summer, then next to the pre-season.
We have to take it step by step.
Expecting everything to happen too soon is just not practical.

{Ed004's Note - When we pressed the first 20 minutes we looked a completely different team. However, I dont think currerntly this squad can maintain that for 90 mins}


8.) 03 Apr 2019 12:33:19
agree ed. we started great. high intensity, playing fast but its not just the fact we look tired in games its the silly mistakes.

why can't we pass a ball 5 yards, mistakes are costing us goals.

every time we make a mistake the other team scores.

{Ed004's Note - Thats why Im willing to write off the rest of the season for Ole. He has done a remarkable job so far and hopefully in the summer we sign players who are capable of playing the pressing game. A lot of our players arent bad squad players such as Lingard, Smalling, McTominay etc but they should not be regulars}


9.) 03 Apr 2019 13:09:26
Good post Shappy I agree a lot of people have overreacted but I think it's just disappointment talking more than anything.

My only slight criticism of Ole is that he's started tinkering with the team and formation too much and he's now stating to set up our team according to the opposition rather than imposing our own style on them. Yes injuries have played a part but it just seems to me that he no longer knows his best team or formation.

I think he needs to insert his own authority and style on the team so we can see those capable of adapting and those that can't. We always look better when we play with energy and intensity and Ole must demand this from everyone.

This worries me slightly as without a clear idea or understanding of how he's wants us to play it becomes difficult to identify areas of the team that need improving and to ensure that we strengthen in the correct areas during the summer.

Having said that bad individual mistakes have cost us against Arsenal and Wolves and there is not much the manager can do about that.

Ole's overall record is good, bumps in the road were inevitable it just hurts more when we think we're making progress and we come crashing back down to earth. Deep down we all know there is work to be done. Can Ole deliver who knows but he deserves his chance and more patience from all of us.

Yesterday was a big setback but we've got Barcelona next week. There's no point in feeling sorry for ourselves and what an opportunity to bounce straight back.


10.) 03 Apr 2019 13:17:40
Exactly Ed, our players need time to adapt to this style.
The future recruits also must also be targeted to suit the high intensity pressing game.

{Ed004's Note - Priority is probably a right winger so we dont expect Martial to do all the work}


11.) 03 Apr 2019 10:14:24
Completely agree on Ole Shappy. Loads of people have been asking for a good young hungry manager (e. g. howe or nagelsmann) who can play the united way and develop with the club rather than going out for establish mangers who don't fit our style. Ole fits the need completely and what's more, he adores the club and that can't be bought. The problem is we are not poised to give him the support or structure he needs to develop this team and as a coach. Our squad reminds me of Newcastle before the got relegated a few years ago ( not saying we are that bad), but Newcastle had the 5th highest wage bill in the EPL that season and none of the players could be bothered. People baulked at Lingard's contract but Martial is on £250k and he does not get a regular look in the French squad! i fear we have become a club where players come for the money and agents flog their players for the commission we are stupid enough to pay. It also makes it harder to sell players on.
The problem will only be resolved with a DoF who is allowed to work independently to sort out the player power, wages and build a sqaud capable of playing the football we want to see. If Ed Woodward thinks he can do it all, he is deluded.
I would rather revise our wage structure, get a strong DoF, establish a style of play and build from there. Even if it means fighting for top 4 for a couple of seasons.

A question for Ed 02 if he is around. I have read you mention often that clubs have advisors who help them - are United using any? I find it hard to imagine Ed W adn the board thinking they know it all.

{Ed002's Note - Louis van Gaal added Marcel Bout to the staff for that purpose, experienced, knowledgable and trusted by LvG. Mr Mourinho took third-party advice over players last summer but given the lack of support from the club it was pointless in the end. Given that a number of the targets the club now has were those same players identified by Mr Mourinho and some as a result of advice, it does make the club look rather stupid.}


12.) 03 Apr 2019 13:27:47
Grest post Shappy.

It has been disappointing that we lost the last 3 games, but except for the game against Wolves in the FA cup, I think our performances in the league against both Arsenal and Wolves was pretty good - if not for some bad defending and individual mistakes. In fact if we had taken our chances that we created, it would had been a different situation.

And Shappy I totally agree with your centiments and loved what you said at the end "We NEED to back this manager, as if we can't back one of our own we will never be United again. "


13.) 03 Apr 2019 13:44:08
ed004 totally agree wolves are a good side as my post said and our last 2 losses have been against good teams: the performances from certain players wasnt what we have come to expect. Further on your comment re ole the rest of the season; agree in part but the players available should be continuing the previous hard graft to get top 4. Note hard graft not skill, as doing the "dirty" work chasing down etc is what sets you up for results.


14.) 03 Apr 2019 13:52:46
Thanks Ed 02. Agree that it makes the club look silly. its the equivalent of telling the manager "i will hire you and extend your contract but won't buy you the players that i agree are the right ones to buy! " No wonder mourinho was fed up. Bigger issue it without a DoF, it won't change anytime soon.

{Ed002's Note - There will be someone in that role soon.}


15.) 03 Apr 2019 14:21:26
Ed002 since you mentioned there’ll be a DOF soon do you foresee the person (if you have an idea who he is) will be good in decision making and improve Man Utd? I know it’s a question you may not want to answer but if you could I’d appreciate. Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I have dealt with all of this over recent months and particularly in the past week or so when the name came up. It is a person who most of the fans have never heard of - so he will get trashed like everyone else at the club.}


16.) 03 Apr 2019 14:25:35
Thanks for the super fast response.
Gosh what are we becoming to? Hope not toxic! 😭
Sorry for the already asked be question.


17.) 03 Apr 2019 14:28:20
One of your best, Shaps. So good, I even read this one right through to the end :)


18.) 03 Apr 2019 14:31:46
To all the know it alls, just one question to all of you since you are placing all the fault at the players' doors.

Why on earth did we sack Jose when it was the players who were guilty all this time?


19.) 03 Apr 2019 15:19:40
UA, there is a lot more to why Jose was sacked. Yes, the players are not upto the mark and everyone knows that for sometime now, but when Ole can bring in positive results with the same set of players and an experienced manager like Jose couldn't, given the time he had - says a lot about how Jose has regressed as a manager.


20.) 03 Apr 2019 15:19:47
José had two and a half seasons to build his team and get the best out of the players at his disposal, and we were no further forward at the end of his tenure than at the start. He also helped create a toxic atmosphere around the club. That's why he was sacked. Ole's had a few months to get the best out of the same players, and until recently was doing so. A few bad results later, and it's knives out. If we're still struggling after 2 and a half years of Ole, then it would be fair to think about a change, but a few results into his reign? No-one calls for a managers head after a few games, not even Utd fans. Or so I thought.


21.) 03 Apr 2019 20:20:56
Nou

Not sure anyone has called for Oles head? Not me anyway.

The questions are against Woodward and the strategy of the club including the decision process around Oles appointment plus how player purchasing decisions are made. I actually agreed with Craig Burley, it seems a rushed emotional decision rather than a clear strategic club plan when appointing Ole.


22.) 03 Apr 2019 20:45:13
Or you could say his record since he stood in, warranted him being picked. I think it could have waited til the summer personally, but I understand the need to plan for pre-season and summer transfers. Read some of the posts or the live chat from last night. Embarrassing reactions to a loss with ten men, against a Wolves side who have got results against all the big clubs. A few poor results and the knives are out already.


 

 

01 Apr 2019 22:58:22
I would be sad to see Ander leave, he comes across as a leader. While he is only second to Pogba for ability amoungst our midfielders, and is probably our hardest working and most consistent midfielder.

So losing him would be a blow in my opinion. However, it isn't sensible to be handing out long contracts of up to 200k per week to a player who will be 30 next season.

As good as he is currently, he isn't part of the long or even medium term plans for our club going forward.

Again I will echo what many others have said in that it appears to be poor management from Ed Woodward to allow this situation to occur. Handing out contracts to lesser players while neglecting to nail down key players in Herrera and DDG.

However, if we had to give in to the wages demands of one of them, it is always going to be the guy with the gloves.

We are on a cusp atm, and how Ed Woodward handles this might be the difference between him leaving Old Trafford in a limo or a hearse.

We could potentially lose DDG, Herrera and Pogba in one window.

Now all players are replaceable, even DDG. However, getting the right quality of player to sign to replace them when all of our best players appear to be leaving might be significantly harder.

This looks like it is shaping up to be a key summer for the future of Manchester United. Get this right and we could bounce back quicker than expected, get this wrong and it could another 5 years in the wilderness.

Shappy

1.) 02 Apr 2019 06:16:20
Agree Shappy, Herrera always puts up a fight when he wears the shirt.
But I will not be too disappointed if he leaves.
To compete for the league, we need an upgrade on Herrera and probably Matic.
We loose many midfield battles, because the distribution is poor from midfield.
Therefore we need a midfielder who is good on the ball in the summer who would go straight into the midfield alongside Pogba and Matic.
If pogba is man marked, we need another midfielder to take control of the match and initiate the counter attacks.


2.) 02 Apr 2019 07:02:49
Shappy

I agree, I like Herrera, he has been a really good committed player. However, there has to be a line drawn, if he wants to leave and can get better elsewhere, thinks the grass is greener, he isn’t THAT key a player, so then good luck, goodbye and don’t let the door hit you on the ass as you go. The question is why have we let good players get to a position where they have no sell on value, that is down to the Exec Vice Bean Counter.


3.) 02 Apr 2019 08:54:59
Never thought he was that good. Decent player, but not top class. If he wants 200k+ a week and can get it elsewhere, I wish him all the best and say fair play to him.


4.) 02 Apr 2019 10:34:19
Bottom line is as much as we like him, if he really wants to leave, Utd can equally find a better replacement.


5.) 02 Apr 2019 11:52:54
Shappy tbh I don't agree to 200k per week for a 25 year old never mind herrera as decent as he is. Its been stated that we will have to pay more in transfer fee (50m) sugested to replace. Fair play but would rather spend that now as opposed to 75m in a couple of years the way the markets going! Probably get a barrage of dislikes but would stand firm with DDG and others too: we cannot sensibly maintain the payments demanded by players even with a top level income into the coffers. I would say spend on a quality replacement N'dombele for example who could be a top player for 8 + years.


6.) 02 Apr 2019 13:11:48
Shappy - The Herrera situation is fascinating and it will be interesting to see how it develops.

There is no doubt he has become a key player under OGS. Herrera brings the energy, intensity and mobility which has allowed Pogba to flourish and play further forward and he gives us the ability to press and win the ball higher up the pitch.

Many have said they wouldn't be sorry to see him leave yet he will need replacing. Whilst I can't proclaim him to be world class he's certainly performed well for Solskjear and become a key component of his midfield. He's not 30 until August so he's not particularly old and probably playing some of the best football of his Utd career.

Without being an expert or knowing the details of the negotiations I think the problem may lie with the length of contract rather than his wages. I would imagine he'd want a four year deal which considering his age would be a huge financial commitment to the Club for a player with perhaps his best years behind him.

I think in the past Utd have predominantly preferred to offer one year rolling extensions to players in their 30's. I suppose this keeps the players hungry and fighting for their place. It also means the Club aren't burdened with players approaching the end of their careers where form can fluctuate and players become more susceptible to injury. Herrera is interesting because he's not yet in his 30's and this is maybe his last chance to secure a lucrative contract. If PSG are willing to increase his wages and offer him a long term contract we can't blame him for wanting to secure his financial future for his family. From
a Utd perspective maybe the money could be better spent elsewhere?!

It's looking likely we'll lose both Mata and Herrera this summer. Both have been good servants but presided over a time of mediocrity and inconsistency at the Club. With the likes of Fellaini, Mata, Herrera and possibly Rojo, Valencia and Darmian all leaving in the summer hopefully we can inject some freshness, enthusiasm and vitality back into the squad.

One thing is for certain if Herrera leaves he MUST be replaced. I've been really impressed with Tielemans on loan at Leicester. He was well rated before his move to Monaco and he's proven he can perform in the EPL. At 21 his potential is huge and maybe that's where the investment should go if we can get the others off the wage bill. With Monaco struggling maybe a deal could be done and his wage demands would be a fraction of Herrera's on a player with massive potential who could represent the Club for many years.

{Ed001's Note - can I ask why Tielemans? He is very similar to Pogba, offers next to nothing defensively and so I fail to see how he would work as a Herrera replacement.}


7.) 02 Apr 2019 13:17:21
Thinking the same, Ed001. I like him a lot, but I'd be thinking of him as a replacement for Pogba if he goes.

{Ed001's Note - I would agree on that, though I personally do not like him. He is half-arsed imo. Puts too little effort into it, like he is not really giving his all for me.}


8.) 02 Apr 2019 13:48:41
Ed001 - I think we need more creativity from midfield and you don't always need a direct replacement in my opinion. He's energetic, mobile, he's good on the ball, a good passer and a goal threat.

We have Fred who is similar to Herrera in that he's able to press and play on the front foot. Mctominay is a solid, disciplined midfielder like Matic and I think we need another player in there capable of unlocking defences and providing a goal threat.

I think next season we'll see a lot of teams sit deeper against us especially at OT and we don't need two defensive midfielders. I think we'll look to play faster, with a higher tempo and look to dominate the ball more and I think he'd be a really good addition to the squad.

{Ed001's Note - I will be shocked if Fred ever becomes a Premier League quality player. I just don't see the deal with Tielemans. Even his creativity is not that good imo. Another one that will fade away into obscurity I believe.}


9.) 02 Apr 2019 14:18:58
Ed001 - I'll bow to your greater knowledge I must confess I've only seen him a few times so maybe I'm guilty of MOTD fever and playing a bit of fantasy football! I think you might be right about Fred as well!

Whilst I've got your attention what do you make of Declan Rice? I think it's too early to judge at the moment. I'm not convinced he has the quality on the ball to become a really top midfielder?!

{Ed001's Note - I like him, I think he is a top player in the making.}


10.) 02 Apr 2019 14:28:41
"Ed001's Note - I would agree on that, though I personally do not like him. He is half-arsed imo. Puts too little effort into it, like he is not really giving his all for me. "

So a perfect Pogba replacement then. 🤣

On a serious note I think we need two midfielders this summer if Herrera leaves, NDombele would be a good replacement for Herrera imo. With someone more creative also coming in to add more going forward. Soler, Pellegrini or Bruno Fernandes could all offer something in that regard.


11.) 02 Apr 2019 15:28:15
Shappy with those names mentioned, one that has popped up in the news today is T. Partey of Atletico. |
What are the thoughts on him here?


12.) 02 Apr 2019 16:13:55
Don’t see the big deal with Tielemans either. His best attribute is composure and assurance on the ball, and I think that gave him an advantage over other youth players. But as he has progressed, he hasn’t added much to his game. Yes, he’s tidy in possession, but he doesn’t work hard defensively, and doesn’t actually create many chances at the other end. He could develop into a Xavi type player in the right system, but would need to work much harder, and learn how dictate play and set the tempo.


13.) 02 Apr 2019 17:19:45
Good post Shappy. Exactly what I was thinking of posting. Herrera is a good player whose work sometimes goes unnoticed but he is nearing the end of his peak and a huge long term contract may not be the best thing for the club financially.
To the people saying if we can't match his wage demand than will we be able to get an adequate replacement, we are close to the limit wage wise but can spend on transfer fees.

Shappy who do you suggest to replace him? Also I think we may be in for an interesting transfer window this summer. 2 of our first choice CM may leave and Matic also might need replacing soon.


 

 

28 Mar 2019 23:52:53
Over the moon with the appointment of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer as our new permanent manager. Is he the perfect candidate? No, but then there isn't another Sir Alex floating about. No one is a perfect manager, all managers have their limitations and all managers have their weaknesses.

Ole still has much to prove, but he has the best interests of the club at heart and he will do his best. So far he has reintroduced the right atmosphere around the club, he has brought back what we had lost over the last 5 years. He has given the club back its identity.

So for that reason he is the obvious candidate. He will get things wrong and he will make mistakes, but it is vital that ALL of us get behind this manager. The infighting and division amongst the fans have hindered the club in the wake of Sir Alex's retirement far more than it has helped.

There are still deep issues at the club, highlighted by LvG in his recent interview. The club under the Glazers is a commercial entity before it is a football club. The structure is still not sorted out, Ed Woodward holds too much power and seems reluctant to give it up. We need a DoF with the right connections and understanding of the game to bridge the gap between the manager and the board of directors. Finally despite the up turn in performances and results we still have several players who need to move on either because they aren't good enough, or the have a questionable attitude. We can't afford to have players who refuse to roll up their sleeves when times get tough, or throwing their toys out of the pram when they don't get their way. One bad apple will spoil the pie.

So there is a lot of work to be done, and a lot of it Ole will have limited if any influence over.

Some people have questioned the timing of the announcement, as if waiting longer will suddenly make a new better candidate appear or something. However, if the intention is to give him the job then naming him now makes perfect sense. Firstly it will give the club a boost just ahead of a vital month in both the EPL and the UCL. Secondly, it gives the club more stability moving forward. It allows proper planning to go on ahead of the summer (for both the club and for Ole himself, it was often mentioned how difficult it was for Jose not having his family around him. Well now Ole can start the process of moving his family over and getting them settled back into life in the North west) . Thirdly, it allows the club to shift focus on to other pressing matters such as identifying the correct person for the DoF role, as well as sorting out player contracts, and determining summer targets.

Shappy

1.) 29 Mar 2019 04:42:50
Totally agree Shappy.
A huge uncertainty is out of the way now.

The set of "demands" which Ole has placed is really impressive. He has highlighted the need of outworking the opponents.
We ourselves have seen the forwards pressing from the front. There is a lot more energy in our play compared to the predecessors.
The job which he has done in just 3 months is commendable.

Another important aspect is Ole puts the interest of the club in front than himself. He is not arrogant as LVG or Jose.
There is no mourning in his press meetings over the mounting injury list. He is optimistic about the challenges in front of us.
The challenge of facing PSG or Barcelona doesn't face him.
His motto is like "We are Man United, Bring it on! "
These are some key attributes through which he has won over the fans.

Personally next season, I expect us to play with more intensity and penetration.
We have seen glimpses of one touch interplays, superb counter attacks.
With proper pre-season and a clear play style, the cohesion in play will definitely improve.
Additionally, he is targeting players who are hungry for success and are passionate to play for United.

Let us all back him now and hope for success.
OLE's AT THE WHEEL.


2.) 29 Mar 2019 07:00:25
Shappy

Agree mostly

What was the process we followed to put him in place?

It doesn’t look like there was one and whilst I welcome Ole I have serious concerns
a) Was the decision influenced because he didn’t cost as much as other managers might have
b) Is Ole, being in love with the club, less likely to become frustrated at Glazernomics?
c) There is already whispers we may not need a centre half, incredible
d) Does this enable the Executive Chief Bean Counter to retain control of football matters?
e) Until we have a DOF who is defining our football strategy, it concerns me if it is Woodward

This is a big summer, but I get the feeling we won’t go far enough, yes we will make noise but what we need to bridge the gap is going to cost and when Glazernomics is at stake we may fall short.


3.) 29 Mar 2019 08:30:53
Solksjaer seems a capable, articulate and relatively humble guy. I think he has many of the characteristics you need in modern football management. He needs a strong set up around him and the suppport of the fans. If the owners, CEO and manager and players work collectively then they can achieve a lot.


4.) 29 Mar 2019 09:42:34
Reading various posts that mention the timing of the announcement negatively; I think its one of those elephant in the room moments that needed to be addressed. A 3 year deal given that, I guess, bucks the trend of recent managerial deals ie., Moyes 6 year, gives ole and the club enough time to move forward with an air of confidense. One person who may be as happy as OLE is Levy at spurs, ZZ at madrid and ole at utd leaves less opportunity for MP to leave for a "big club".
The main thing coming from Os in his presser was that work on transfers and contracts being processed and hopefully we can get the players we need to move on.


5.) 29 Mar 2019 10:38:40
Completely agree with Redman. It’s hard to argue that Ole doesn’t deserve the job on the basis of what he has achieved over the last few months. But there are serious questions about the appointment indicating that the club is shying away from reforming and restructuring the club.


6.) 29 Mar 2019 11:13:57
If theirs one thing we need it's a centre half.


7.) 29 Mar 2019 11:24:34
Ole is the only United player I can remember to publicly criticise the glazers and their running of the club. I truly believe out of any manager we could have appointed Ole is the most likely to confront them if Woodward starts dicking around in the summer. The same storm of criticism that swarmed on Jose will be at Woodward and the Glazer's door if they fail to give Ole the platform to succeed. If the Glazers were looking for a yes man to go along with the bean counting as you say, it isn't Ole.


8.) 29 Mar 2019 12:08:24
Red Man, The Glazers won't change how they run the club. That won't change no matter who is our manager. One of the big positives you saw in us hiring Mourinho was that he wouldn't accept the board interfering or denying him the money he thought he needed to make the side successful. If a character as big as Jose with his ego can't bully or force the hand of Ed Woodward or the Glazers than no body will.

So we need to accept that while they are here this is how the club will be run. The best we can hope for is a manager who can get the best out of the players he has available, as we have to accept they aren't going to get the same kind of financial backing that Pep gets over at City.

I agree the club need a new central defender. However, there is a real lack of outstanding options available. Think 10-15 years ago and you had players such as Vidic, Ferdinand, Terry, Carvalho, Puyol, Cannaravo, Maldini, Nesta, Lucio, Ayala, Hierro, Stam, Campbell, Desailly, Thuram and Costacurta.

Now name me a current CB who is as good as any of them? So I can see why the club might be reluctant to spend as much as 100m on a player who isn't genuinely world class. If there was a CB who is available who could genuinely transform this side then I can understanding going the extra mile to sign them. apparently it will cost 75m+ to sign Harry Maguire.

Now if you had 75m to spend and a choice between Sancho or Maguire who would you sign?

My ideal summer would see us sign a CB, RB, CM and RW. Ideally Romagnoli, Meunier/ Malcuit, Soler/ Bruno Fernandes, Sancho/ Lozano.

But we don't always get what we want. So let's focus on what we do get. We have a manager who understands and truly "gets" the club, someone who will put the club first, someone who will try and play within the principles of the traditions of the club, someone who will promote youngsters and create environment win which they have a chance of thriving. That is massive. We have something to be happy about. let's enjoy it.


9.) 29 Mar 2019 12:29:20
Redman, Ole aside do you really think anything would be different for any manager? It certainly wasn’t for the previous 3. At least Ole has everyone onside and on his side. Maybe this is the way to deafeat Woodward.


10.) 29 Mar 2019 14:09:59
You might all get a pleasant surprise in the summer.


11.) 30 Mar 2019 09:53:50
Shappy

The Glazers and their puppet Woodward won't change and that is one of many (about 400M) reasons why I want them out. However, whilst no manager will force the hand of the owners or Woodward, there are now two senior highly respected managers in Mourinho and LvG who have highlighted what is going on, the lack of support and commerciality being more important than football. If Ole accepts the situation then we are very likely to be sat watching a battle for top four every year rather than for the big trophies.

You ask who would we sign between Sancho and Maguire if we had 75m? We should be signing both, plus Wan Bissaka and a Veratti type central midfield player. This is the crux of the issue, will what needs to be spent actually be spent? Or will it be another fudge and a load of PR when actually it leaves us short again. Ole is already talking about not wasting the club’s money, no one thinks they should waste money but it sounds like the talk of Glazernomics already

Perthredmike
The only way to defeat Woodward is to see the Glazers out and the new owner move him away from football decisions or he keeps getting managers wrong or overspending on wages or more likely the asset value of the club falls too much and the Glazers lose confidence in him.


 

 

 

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12 Apr 2019 21:06:51
Sadly as much as I think we need someone with specific footballing nous to come in and make those footballing decisions. I don't see it working out as we would hope. I cannot see Ed Woodward bringing in someone to take control and power away from him. He seems to have an ego that could rival Pogba's. Yet I fail to see what he has done to deserve that inflated self worth.

Some say he does a great job on the commercial side, and for a time I believed this to. Yet how hard can it be to get people to sign up to one of the largest and well known brands in the world, a brand with billions of fans and potential customers for sponsors.

Surely a competent person could have secured the deals Ed Woodward has. He isn't a revolutionary, he doesn't do anything new of inventive. He just does his job to a good enough level.

However, he also gets too involved in the footballing side. Signing players for inflated fees on inflated wages while paying huge agents fees because the player will help him sign more commercial deals.

Ed002 has suggested that Ole won't have much impact on who the club signs, which asks the question of who is making these decisions. There is only one obvious answer, step forward Ed Woodward.

Do I believe that egomaniac such as Ed Woodward truly wants to hire someone to take that control away from him?

Of course not, he wants a buffer, someone to do the mundane tasks while he whields the power. Then when it goes wrong he has someone to take the blame.

Things won't seriously improve until Ed leaves. WOODWARD OUT.

Shappy

{Ed002's Note - None of you seem to understand the structure of the club and who makes these decisions.}


 

 

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10 Apr 2019 16:46:04
But guys Phil "the step over king" Neville said Dybala would become the best player in the world. Surely we must sign this guy.

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09 Apr 2019 21:37:34
Better call Saul.

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02 Apr 2019 09:49:08
I thought we have been attempting to do that for nearly 3 years now.

Although the idea that we will appoint one later in the year seems to suggest the club know who they want to appoint and they are currently in a job.

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30 Mar 2019 10:32:08
I like Rice, he looks a real talent. However, we have Garner coming through who could be a real talent. I think with Matic, Herrera, Fred and McTominay all able to play in a more defensive role in midfield we could afford to not sign a player like Rice and gently blood Garner.

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22 Apr 2019 17:38:49
Ed0333, that's my point. My post was tongue in cheek.

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22 Apr 2019 15:52:03
Shaw, the world has changed since Cruyff rocked up at Barcelona. Doing things his way hasn't done them any good recently.

Having tradition isn't a problem, having a way of doing things isn't a problem. It's about knowing what you need to keep and what you need to adapt.

Shappy

{Ed0333's Note - let me tell you mate if you followed johan cruyffs blueprint you wouldn’t be in the mire you are in now.


 

 

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22 Apr 2019 15:31:29
If you play for the club for over 10 years, score as many goals and as many important goals as he has then I think he gets the right to be called a legend.

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{Ed0333's Note - of course he’s a legend. Only an idiot would say he isn’t. He claimed legendary status that night against Munich.


 

 

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22 Apr 2019 12:24:53
Academies at top clubs are a tricky one to judge. Players coming though at top clubs need to have the ability and the mentality at a very young age if they are going to be able to make it. Also different people judge a successful academy graduate differently. For some players need to become a top world class player to be considered a "good" academy graduate.

In our current first team we have Lingard, Pogba, Rashford and McTominay who are first team regulars who have come through our academy. In Tuanzebe, Garner, Gomes and Greenwood we have four who could make the step up. Plus Chong who could, but personally I don't think he will make it at the highest level at our club.

If as a top club you have 4-5 academy players playing regularly in your first team I think you can consider that a successful academy.

In Lingard, McTominay and Rashford we have three already. if 2-3 of our current top prospects make the step up then we will have a successful academy.

For all the fuss around City's academy how many play regularly in their first team. Sancho has had to move on to make it. Foden only plays a couple of minutes every few weeks at most. Chelsea have the same issue even though they have spent a fortune on their academy. Money doesn't help if you don't have the attitude or the focus to give them a chance in the first team.

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22 Apr 2019 12:12:32
DSG, I think there was a clear style that started to be implemented at the start of Ole's reign. We pressed higher and looked to hit teams quickly and at pace. However, soon it became apparent that the players were physically unable to maintain that style. We also had problems breaking teams down that sat deep, with us unable to build successfully from the back. At that time the demands of Ole's style pushed many of our players into the "red zone" and we picked up a number of injuries. Unfortunately building up a level of fitness can't be achieved mid season. This is why in my opinion Ole often talks about pre-season being an important time moving forwards. To enable him to bring in that sort of style not only will he need to bring in several players to suit that style, but he will also need a full pre-season to condition and drill the players to play that way. Since it became apparent he wouldn't be able to implement that style for the entirety of this season he has had to adapt. That has meant the team has regressed somewhat.

I strongly suspect we will see something much closer to his first few games from the start of next season. The issue next season is we will unlikely have a strong enough squad to maintain a harder running style throughout the whole season and we will likely struggle in the last couple of months with injuries and a general running out of legs. Similar to Liverpool in Klopp's first season or two. It is only now he has been able to build a bigger, deeper squad that Liverpool have been able to maintain a title challenge right into the closing moments of the season. This is one of the reasons I have said he will need at least 2 years. Hopefully this summer he can build the first 11 he wants, then next summer he can add another 4-5 first 11 quality players with whom he can rotate and challenge the first 11 for a starting spot, allowing them to rotate will stay fresher into the later stages of the season.

Shappy