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03 Feb 2017 14:43:44
What do people make of the rumour this morning that along with Rooney that Martial maybe sold to raise funds for Griezmann?

Things don't seem quite right with Martial this season, he doesn't seem to have the trust of Jose, he has had an unsettled life off the pitch. He was unhappy about losing the No.9 shirt, and his agent was making noises about going to Sevilla on loan.

Our interest in Griezmann seems pretty solid, and the questoon was if he signed who would miss out?

Martial looks a prime candidate for being the one to miss out so maybe the club will look to move him on. Would be sad to see him go as he has so much potential.

Shappy

1.) 03 Feb 2017 15:40:16
If the reports are true that he refused to warm up before the hull game and his attitude stinks then I think we should get rid regardless of how talented he is.

Plenty more players that would jump at the chance to be in his position.


2.) 03 Feb 2017 15:59:17
I can see them both going Shappy, not sure if that is "too raise funds" but it's a nicer way of putting it than "no longer good enough and not professional/ mature enough", to be honest if we expect to be at the top there are about 10 players that need to be replaced with superior ones. Too many of our players have gotten away with simply plodding along for too long and a few others are not progressing or coming to the end of their careers/ effectiveness.

I could list them, but it would be one hell of a long list, more messy than ever when you look at each player in our squad and ask "are they good enough to be a regular starter in a title winning team"? .


3.) 03 Feb 2017 16:03:58
If griezmann comes in someone will have to move on and i think it could be martial .
I don't think rooney going would be tied in to griezmann and i don't think united need to sell to buy .


4.) 03 Feb 2017 16:31:02
If he refuses to try harder it is consistently unprofessional regarding his place in the squad then, after being given a fair chance to improve, he needs to move in. Shane, as very talented.

However, media loves to create mischief with United stories, so hopefully it's something that Mouribgo can successfully address.


5.) 03 Feb 2017 16:31:36
Martial is lazy when he hasn't got the ball. There is no movement from him. He just stands there with his shoulders slumped looking fed up, his body language is awful. I think this is why Jose states he has to do more to earn his place.


6.) 03 Feb 2017 16:43:44
Dave, I'm not sure that's true. Mourinho is a team man and he wouldn't stand for that kind of attitude. Its disrespectful to your team mates and creates a bad atmosphere.

I can see why people might consider Martial sulky, he does have a very sullen look about him. He rarely smiles even when he scores.

I think if he really was like that then we might have heard something about it before rather than the press waiting until Mourinho drops him to suddenly start telling the world what he was like.

Beast, will you ever be happy? Were you ever happy with the team? So are you suggesting that DDG is the only player you'd keep? Beyond that we need a whole new 21/ 22 players to build a good squad? A little bit of an over reaction isn't? I'm starting tk think that you would be saying the same things if you were a fan of any other club in the world, everything is being done wrong in your opinion.

Jred, I don't think the club needs to sell to buy, but the wages could be an issue. Martial being sold would help balance the books considering how much Griezmann would cost and the fact that we would probably look to bring in another 3-4 players as well as Greizmann. That could well be close to 200m being spent. We would probably need to recoupe around 100m of that, which means we would need at least one big sale. I think Rooney leaving is more about freeing up the wages rather than any fee we would recieve.

{Ed007's Note - Wazza will get a bumper new contract extension before the summer ;-)


7.) 03 Feb 2017 16:51:03
Hi shaps. I really hope martial will be kept, many sources have claimed he wants to stay and is happy. I think he has gotten better and obviously things happened in the summer that unsettled his person.

I would actually move on ibra to be honest, it would allow a front 4 of martial, rash, griezmann and miki. Much more pace and flexibility. I really like ibra but feel that 1 year was enough and hopefully some of the younger players have learned from him.


8.) 03 Feb 2017 17:11:21
I'd love to know who reported it dave. It's not the first time this season that he hasn't warmed up.

Is this like the story last week where he supposedly didn't go to training? That was a load of crap.


9.) 03 Feb 2017 17:33:59
I said last week, all of sudden everything that happens will be down to martial's attitude. People jump on a comment and then it snow balls.


10.) 03 Feb 2017 17:52:27
Shappy - Well I'm not happy scrapping for 4th place every year mate, so yeah the squad needs a cull. If I were in charge which is what I think you are asking, then the only ones I would keep for the starting 11 (most of our team are squad players at best) .

DDG, Jones, Bailly, Miki, Herrera (on the edge) - none of the rest would make it in my first team. If they pulled their fingers out then Shaw, Martial, Pogba and Ibra would potentially. All the rest of them can go as far as I'm concerned. Players like Rojo, Valencia, Carrick, do well but they should be squad players at best now.

So yeah, I'm not very happy, because too many people beat around the bush. Whinge about not being positive, but if you take a step back it's pretty messy. We need 4-5 top signings and being suitable if Jose isn't going to change how we play.


11.) 03 Feb 2017 19:52:59
Beast would it be possible for you to produce a squad list that you would expect us to have as our current one is so clearly lacking (please be some what realistic)


12.) 03 Feb 2017 20:02:51
Martial was miserable and moody last year but he was playing well so we just accepted it. Now his form has dropped its become a big issue. Only those inside the club know how big an attitude he has but you're either a team player or you're not. If he is let's keep him, if not let's sell him.


13.) 03 Feb 2017 20:28:03
Coleman RB, Rose LB, Vidal CM, Griezzman 2nd striker, wingers are tricky, but I would push Valencia up and give Martial/ Miki a chance to shine with better players on the left or right, they can tuck in well and support the strikers with full backs flying forward. I'd stick with Ibra with 4-4-2. Then hunt for wingers in the next window if necessary.

Those are 4 key signings in the summer I'd make, £175m-£200m. Let go of Mata, Darmian, Shaw, Fellaini, Lingard, Rooney - probably recoup £80-£100m from those, wages would even themselves out roughly.


14.) 03 Feb 2017 20:52:30
Beast, the change from Sir Alex was always going to be tricky, watch Arsenal struggle when Wenger moves on.

You can't have 27 years of one manager and expect a smooth transistion.

Personally I feel a squad is made up of many different players of different levels of talent, fight and personality.

The kind of player you seem to want is a Roy Keane type fighter, but a squad of 25 Keanes would tear itself apart.

Even the most successful squads have bit part players, guys who might not have the same quality as the others but offer something different.

I think on the whole our squad is pretty decent. We are still three or four players away from having a first team capable of functioning as fluidly as Mourinho would like.

I feel the real issue with our team is still the balance at the back. I think we lack real quality full backs, I inclued Valencia and Shaw in that. Shaw has potential, but bar a handful of games at the start of last season we haven't seen him come close to reaching it. Valencia has been a stand out performer this season, but is 31 years old and still his delivery from the flank is erractic and he still gets caught out defensively at times.

I feel the other areas we stuggle is top class holding midfielder, Carrick is well into his twilight years and can't cover as much ground as he used to, and still for me hasn't shaken off the safety first passing of the LvG era. I also feel we need a long term partner for Bailly, someone who can play the ball out of defence quickly and accurately.

I think we are well covered in the goalkeeping department.

I think Blind, Smalling, Jones and Rojo are decent squad defenders. Tuanzebe, TFM and CBJ offer hope for the future.

I think we need a true defensive midfielder, but beyond that Pogba, Herrera, Blind and Fellaini offer good options. Carrick and Schweinsteiger offer experience, and I like the look of both TFM and Andreas Pereira as young options coming though. Its a good balance.

I think for the most part our forward options look very good. In the long term we will need a replacement for Rooney/ Ibrahimovic as a central striking option. And depending on the development of Martial, Rashford and Lingard maybe another option, possibly someone more like a true wide man rather than a striker playing wide or a No.10 shunted out wide.

We have a lot of very good young players, Bailly, Shaw, Tuanzebe, TFM, Pereira, Lingard, Martial and Rashford.
We need to see how these players develop before we can right any of them off.

I don't think the squad is that far off a really top one to be honest.


15.) 03 Feb 2017 21:22:59
Agree with a lot of that mate. Trouble is we aren't playing to the strengths of our squad and we have too many squad players, or players that put in a lot of 6/ 7 out 10 performances but not too many regularly putting in the 8/ 9 out of 10's.

We have a lot of passengers, waiting for somebody to do something, too happy to leave it to the next guy and do the easy thing. Ironically the two magical players we signed are the biggest passengers of the bunch. We need 2 or 3 players with that drive an urgency, that will encourage the rest of the team to work, run off the ball, not always think safety first.

We aren't far away, but 4-5-1 is a bad formation because it's a balancer, teams like Hull, Stoke can match up and it's hard to break them down. 4-4-2, will mean it upsets those teams, opens us up but means they have to attack and that leaves space.

We need to be a bit cleverer and a bit more energetic. But we need to replace some of those squad players with top class players in their position, too many average players.


16.) 03 Feb 2017 21:37:02
I think our forward line is one of our biggest issues they can't score and struggle to hold onto the ball or be the first line of defence. Just way too many slow old average players. We lack real quality throughout the team. If we all picked our favourite team from Europe assuming we were still in it we wouldn't have a player in it. ( maybe a keeper) That's criminal for the richest club on the planet.


17.) 04 Feb 2017 12:36:29
We don't need to raise funds. That's Woodys job an he's good at it.

Young, Rooney, Darmian, rojo could all be off come summer. Bastian probably as well.

If Griezmann comes in he'd be first choice with zlatan maybe taking a back seat.


18.) 06 Feb 2017 20:08:45
Agree with a lot of that and players are only running on 6/ 10 apart from bailly, Herrera, Jones, Miki and rojo which you lot want axed? Is he not good to have as cover?

We need a vote here too see how many believe griezmann will make it at UTD and not turn into another Forlan.

AG fits well into the way AM play. We do not play like AM and I think it will take AG a season to play well.


19.) 08 Feb 2017 19:20:01
AG is probably one of the only players in world football who can hold a candle to Messi and ronaldo.

I am quite sure he would be able to fit into any team, he is that good.


 

 

26 May 2016 10:33:08
I hope there is some substance in this Manolas rumour. For me he is probably about the best option open to us. Strong, quick, great in the air, excellent reader of the game. A no nonsense type defender but one with good technique and a communicator and leader at the back.

He is the kind of centre back we can pair with anyone and he'll work well with them.

I'd still want to see someone else come in, Varane, Marquinhos, Stones or Bartra would work well with Manolas.

In fact for someone like Stones who has a mistake in him, and who needs to improve the defensive side of his game having a player such as Manolas alongside him and Mourinho on the touchline could be the making of him. I've been wary of Stones as I don't think he would improve our defence atm, but if he was brought in alongside Manolas then it could work well.

Shappy

1.) 26 May 2016 12:15:01
Two CBs are a priority. Signing just one would leave us at risk. I really rate Varane but to sign an English player in Stones is very tempting.

Although if Roshaun Williams and Tuazenbe get promoted and play some games this season that would be an added bonus.


2.) 26 May 2016 12:34:52
I think TFM could also be played at CB under Mourinho. I'd be quite happy to sign Manolas and Bartra a could of lads in their mid twenties to leave space for the likes of TFM, Williams and Tuazenbe to fullfil the roles of talented young players.

I wouldn't be gutted if we signed Stones or Marquinhos, but given their ages it would make it far more difficult for the young CB's coming through as players like Stones or Marqunihos are only a couple of years older than them.


3.) 26 May 2016 12:47:31
For manolas just read otamendi.


4.) 26 May 2016 13:27:27
Agree Manolas is one of the best options available. Mainly because he's one of the only options who compliments what we currently have. His qualities blend well with Smalling's. Shaw, Manolas, Smalling and hopefully a rejuvenated Darmian has the making of a top back line. But agree that an extra centre back would be even better.


 

 

11 Sep 2015 14:12:13
I think people get too hung up over player contracts.

Yes it is excellent news that DDG has signed a new deal, why? Because it now means he will probably play most of our games this season, and with him being one of if not the best keeper in the world atm it certainly makes our team stronger.

The length of a players contract has very little baring on how long a player will stay at a club. Think of it like this 90% of player moves involve a player who is under contract, only around 10% of players see out the full duration of their contracts.

DDG may leave next summer or the summer after that or the one after that. Only two things are certain.
One he will leave at some point, be it either in his prime, the twilight of his career or through retirement.
And two him having a deal with the club means he will be available to play for thr club this season.
Beyond that who knows. Ultimately when he leaves we will look for a replacement. And hopefully it will he someone as good or even better than him.

And for those who say it was all about the money? Probably, isn't the money one of the biggest factors in your career?

But on a serious note, I think he is happy in Manchester, but has a girlfriend who would benefit from having her more famous boyfriend with her on social events in Spain, and an agent who wants to make money.

As it stands he will earn more money and based on his performances he probably deserves it, and he will probably stay at the club for a few more years.

Now let's just sit back and appreciate the fact we have one of the best keepers in the world playing for us. let's enjoy it.

Shappy

1.) 11 Sep 2015 14:28:55
i don't buy in to all the family stuff i just think like a lot of players he wanted to play for madrid.
that looks to be of the cards so he has took the cash and stopped at united.

great news for us


2.) 11 Sep 2015 15:28:47
Jred, from what I heard his family thought it better he stay in Manchester considering the circus that goes on in Madrid.
I think it was his girlfriend and maybe his agent who seemed most keen on his moving to Madrid.

I also think Madrid have been trying everything they can to clear themselves from any blame over the collapse of his move so as to make sure they didn't burn any bridges knowing that it was possible he would sign a new deal. I expect now he has signed a new deal Madrid will become very quiet over his non move.


3.) 11 Sep 2015 18:44:10
Well done Shappy, couldn't agree more (other than the bit about deserving the money. No one deserves that amount of money, especially for playing a game. It's not exactly saving lives or advancing humanity. )

But yes you're right, let's enjoy that he's staying and accept that he will probably be gone in the next season or two. Wise words mate.


4.) 11 Sep 2015 20:18:05
Have to disagree with ihatefootball's opinion on players deserving the amount of money they get paid. When you look at the massive amounts the teams are earning through apparel and jersey sales, ticket sales, concessions, Champions League- the players deserve every penny they can get. Nobody pays to watch us kick about on the weekends. They pay to watch the best players in the world at their jobs.

When you hear about players like Messi paying a sick childs medical bills how can you find a complaint with how much they earn?

{Ed007's Note - Aye, it's not every sick kid that can get a football club to pay for private 'treatments'.}


5.) 11 Sep 2015 22:28:03
Maybe I am attributing ill motives to RM, but it seemed to me that their tactic was to maximise the chance that they could sign de Gea for free in 2016. They have failed. I congratulate the powers that be in Utd for standing firm.
So, what abut Monaco? I have yet to see any report that the total fee for Martial is not extortionate. They will need a replacement. Why not make sure that the price that they pay is also excessive? When they identify the replacement, put in a higher bid , but graciously allow them to better it (or not). Make good use of Utd's financial muscle.
Red Setter


6.) 11 Sep 2015 23:01:45
I'm sorry??? You what??? You agree that players should get paid £200,000 a week for kicking a ball around some grass? Best at their job in the world maybe but at kicking a ball round a field. It is DISGUSTING the amount of money they are paid. Can you not put it into perspective? Get a grip!

{Ed007's Note - You can't blame the players, what do you expect them to say? 'Here never mind that £100k a week plus appearance money, goal scoring bonus and image rights, give me £2k a week and a leased Ford Focus?'
Blame Sly TV for the mess football is in, we expect the players to work as hard as some guy sitting welding all day and putting a hard shift in, why shouldn't they do what the welder does and weld where he gets paid the most.
I really can't lay the blame at the crazy wages going around on players, it's the people providing the money and the people distributing it that need to look at it.
Years ago the clubs held all the power but now it's swung to the players calling the shots, what we need to find is a happy medium but sadly I think it's went too far now and that's never going to happen.
For anyone over 30, football is never going to be the same or as enjoyable ever again for us, and that breaks my heart.}


7.) 12 Sep 2015 06:17:47
Ihatefootball- i do understand your point. If you think of it in its basic terms as just a game with grown men out in a field kicking a ball then it's absolutely rediculous. The reality is football is a business and they are the star attractions in an industry that generates billions.

In any business you have to spend in order to have a competitive advantage over your competition and I'm proud to support the club and am thrilled they are investing back in the team to buy or keep some of the worlds best players. Without De Gea we probably wouldn't be in the Champions League which is worth millions to the club.

Ed007 I'd love to find a happy medium, but as long as club profits continue to raise then I'd imagine player wages will as well.

{Ed002's Note - There are constraints within FFP in respect of the wages.}


8.) 12 Sep 2015 08:59:34
Rumours in Spain that there is a release clause for 50 million in the contract.


9.) 15 Sep 2015 12:57:49
He signed a contract out of respect but there will be a clause in the contract that if real madrid put in such an such amount then he goes. let's not get hard ons over it


 

 

02 Oct 2014 07:18:58
Looks like we are about to make a key new signing.

Welcome Matt Radcliffe.

Shappy

1.) He is very good mates with Luke Shaw, who has been feeling a little homesick since his move, hopefully it will help him settle as well as helping deal with injuries.


2.) Could be one of the best signings of the summer if he can reduce the injury list


 

 

02 Jun 2014 21:03:31
There seems to be some confusion as the kind of midfielders we are likely to be after under van Gaal, people seem shocked at the idea that van Gaal wouldn't want players such as Kroos or Fabregas. But you need to consider his system and the way he wants to play.

van Gaal's midfield always consist of three players, they fit into three roles. The number 6 who is the brain the thinker, he dictates the tempo of the game and will be the deepest midfielder thus giving him more space to view and decide on the right pass at the right time.
A number 8 who is the energy and power, this is the player who drives up and down the field and makes themselves available for passes at all times.
Then we have the number 10 who is the creative outlet in the final third.

Now we have several players who can play the number 10 role, Mata, Rooney, Kagawa and Powell.

So we will be looking for a number 6 and 8. Kroos could play the number 6 role but he doesn't have the engine for the number 8, ultimately he is best suited to a number 10 role which we have many players for. The same could be said for Fabregas he is best as a number 10 and there for probably isn't quite right.

I think the Schweinstieger is the best player available for the number 6 role, but if he isn't available then Clasie is a very good younger cheaper option. Other options would be Verratti or Xhaka.

The best player for the number 8 role is Vidal and would be everyones first choice. van Gaal favours Strootman but seeing as he is unlikely to be available then other options could be Witsel, Schneiderlin or Song.

I could see us signing Clasie and Song but the confusion that most will fall under is expecting Song to play the defensive role, and it will be Clasie who would be the deepest midfielder with Song providing the vertical drive in the middle with one of Mata Kagawa or Rooney playing as the highest midfielder on the pitch.

He will also more than likely want two wingers as his system has a lot of emphasis on the wide players and with only Januzaj and possibly Lingard who he will consider good enough then more proven wingers may be needed to rotate.

Konoplyanka looks like a target hopefully we can get him and maybe Di Maria, although other options could be Sanchez, Depay, Firmino, Fischer or Griezmann.

van Gaal is persuaded more by the ability of a player to fit into his system and tactics than what their name is.

Shappy

{Ed002's Note - Good job Shappy and worthy of the front page.}


1.) 02 Jun 2014 21:25:21
Strootman and Vidal would be perfect. Highly unlikely we'd get Vidal though, and Strootman is injured.


2.) JK, wouldn't it be Strootman or Vidal? That was kind of the whole point of the post :)


3.) This is a great post, explained alot. At first I am angry and confused as to why we didn't go all in for players like Kroos, Carvalho and now Cesc. Was tired of seeing how our midfield gets overrun by everyone!


4.) Great post Shappy!


5.) 02 Jun 2014 22:09:42
great post


6.) Quality post shapps. All made sense to me. Nothing more annoying than the "why aren't United in for so and so" type posts - hopefully this puts some of them into context.


7.) Very good analysis and I hope the club is thinking along similar lines. I'm a little concerned about the apparent lack movement forward with new players but hope things are going ahead behind the scenes and all will become clear shortly. If not we may struggle as our direct competitors are stregthening from a position of superiority.


8.) 02 Jun 2014 22:32:59
Brilliant post and really made me look at the players we are linked with n why we're turning away players we've been linked with for a while? Cesc n kroos are worldies but not what we need when we have them positions covered! I was getting a little disheartened before reading that post n looking at what we have rather than what's available? I'm sure lvg has a plan and I'm more confident to follow his plans than I was with Dave?


9.) Great post Shappy as always. Just one quarrel with it, I believe LVG will give Nani a chance to show what he can do in a new system. The system he employs uses inverted winger who like to cut in and shot or look for a killer pass.


10.) Great post shappy, always look forward to your posts as I feel I learn something new each time!


11.) Shappy, superb job. This post has kept me sane amonst some of the terrible posts I'm reading at the minute. I 100% Agree on Shweinsteiger, he is exactly what we need for that deep lying role. And at the likely price he'd come, he would be perfect, if that is an issue. Mind you, Fresh! has exclusively reported that we have £200m to spend, so cost isn't a factor :-)

I really hope the Ed's will consider a new page for posts such as this one, a filtered page, of non crap!


12.) A very similar story came out the day Lvg apparently pulled the plug on Kroos and really highlighted his footballing philosophy and his need for the right player no matter how young/old or infamous they were. He's not interested in big names just the right guy that fits his system perfectly.

If I can find the link I will paste it if the eds allow but really clears up and paints it as a clear as day what Shappy has touched the surface with. It also goes through his team formation what he expects in each role and then the so called people we get linked with and gives you a fair idea if that player fits that system.

Right away you can discredit a lot of player rumours as frankly they won't fit into his system.

Good post btw and hopefully will put people's minds at rest. Lvg knows who he needs so give him time.


13.) Brilliant post shappy it is like a breath of fresh air reading this.Recently a lot of posts seem to be written for the sake of it.
This gives us all a clear insight in to the way LVG thinks and operates and the reasons for him not wanting certain players like Kross etc.Again well done!


14.) Ok, long term reader, first time poster. I see what you are saying. But regardless of Van Gaal's 'system' we have been in need of a top quality center mid for years now. Kroos is 24 years old. He is one of the most technically gifted center mids in the world right now and we could have had him. FOR 20 MILL!! Stop thinking about the system so much. Van Gaal is not the type of manager to stick around for a long period of time (look at his record), so to be worrying about the system he is trying to implement is frankly stupid. Implementing a system takes years. Supposedly we have turned away one of the best center mids in the world and that is seriously worrying. Toni Kroos is what our midfield has been crying out for for some time now, and f**k the system we could have had him. It's just worrying to see a player as perfect as him be looked over just down to a 'system'.

Hate all you want. I have my opinion.


15.) Great post Shappy, always helpful for the slightly less knowledgeable on managers takes on systems to have this set out.
Sydney, whilst I expect we won't get Strootman and Vidal I think both would work together, .I am sure I read that Strootman asvthey 6 role in the Dutch team and is seen as a clever thinking player with good passing given the additional time. Would also mean we have a very strong centre with those 2.
On the 10 role, does van gaal expect any defensive support as this is Mata downfall and could see him sold, .I love him and he would be the best link for the midfield and attack. I think Nani may get a new lease of life under van gaal. just my thoughts.


16.) Good Post Shappy. I see what you're saying that Kroos is best as a 10 but he can still play as a 6 better that most people. He plays that role for Germany a lot and does it well. He has all the attributes of an excellent deeply lying playmaker and his ability to play as a 10 is only a bonus.


17.) Deaddobbin, I don't believe the rumours that LvG isn't interested in Kroos. I think it's just a case of us not being able to agree a fee with Bayern Munich.

But LvG does implement a system and he will do next season at MU. I wouldn't rule out Schweinsteiger. Hopefully MU can convince him to join. We will see.


18.) Deaddobin,

I think you totally missed the point of the post there! LvG will not just buy a 'name' he looks to fill a gap in his 'system'. That was the whole point.

you say he's not guna be around long term, perhaps not but he will be setting our long term plans over the next 2/3 seasons. If we don't trust his methods then he should never have been given the job. Thankfully most if us do trust him, most notably those within the club.

Oh and I don't believe he turned down Kroos anyway and I certainly don't believe we could have got him for £20m if at all.


19.) What a great post well done Shappy there's nothing in that to disagree with really, with all the cock up last year I think United have kept quiet this year and "ITK"'s have stepped in to fill the void.
Sadly we will have to wait and see after the World Cup to find out who we can really go for and get


20.) Shappy is just what we need ;)
Quality. As always.


21.) Cesc played as the deep lying midfielder for arsenal and was very successful so he would be more than capable of playing there and he has more than enough skill to control a game and if he is available we should go get him as with this apparent £200m+ in the bank money is not an option, he would be a great addition to this very poor current united team


22.) Im glad someone finally broke this down as it seemed a lot of people were not understanding what LVG is trying to do, its really common sense to be fair.
looking at the players we are 'apparently' linked with, where would you play them? How many number 10's do you need in a team? why try playing a number 10 on the wing?
you don't need names to win things, you just need the right balance of players and the correct system.
I also don't see Clasie or Song coming to United.


23.) What an incisive, well written piece. WELL DONE


24.) 03 Jun 2014 13:23:21
I would imagine carvalho would be ideal for the number 8 role if what I've read about him is true and going back to what Ed002 has said we are still interested.


25.) Excellent post - though I hope we don't end up with Song. Just not good enough.


26.) Kroos would of perfect for the 6 role its his best position imo.
Clasie is better further up the park its an important role the the 6 and i'm not sure he would work there in the epl.
I quite like song but he would need a very good player in there with him for the top level.
I also think fabergas could play the deep role, he played it for arsenal quite a lot.
I wouldn't say no to both fabergas and song, with both interchanging between the 6 and 8 role to be honest


27.) Firstly, great post and insight Shappy

Secondly, I tend to agree with deaddobbin in the way that Van Gaal isn't going to be around for more than about 3-4 years max so what are the chances that we are going to find a manager that has the same philosophy and is happy with the same players? If we start to change the whole philosophy of the football club then we will need another overhaul once Van Gaal leaves. This will not be good for us as I can't see us winning the prem in his time with us, so I do fear that it's going to be a long time till we win our next title unfortunately


28.) I agree with Jred. Cesc can play there, whether or not he wants to is another story. Song is meant to be available for just £8m. At that price I would say yes, but the reported £15m is far too much IMO. I have watched Clasie's best bits on YouTube and he seems to play very deep in all of the clips. But I do wonder if he could play there in the EPL. Cleverley has played a similar role at times and when the opposition stay close to him and close him down quick, the ball often goes back to De Gea too often. We will need someone who will burst forward if need be, not panic and pass it back to the keeper. I worry Clasie at MU may be a step too far for him and he may panic like Cleverley when harassed by high pressing forwards from the opposition team. I think MU and LvG would have Kroos, I believe Kroos would join, but I think MU will not pay what BM want for him. MU probably feel because he's on his last year of contract, that he isn't worth £30m+. Who cares if he's got one year left. He's worth the money so pay it.

{Ed005's Note - According to ED2 Barcelona provided Chelsea with a price for Fabregas during a discussion about a Chelsea player they have shown some interest in.}


29.) Bennett, that's why Giggs will takeover and keep the same philosophy. That is the plan. It's a three-year plan with Giggs taking over from LvG.


30.) 005, is that it? Are Chelsea expected to take up the opportunity to sign Cesc? Or is he like 3rd choice? Thanks

{Ed004's Note - Ed002 says that is all there is right now but there are a number of midfield players the club are interested in.}


31.) Syd, you can only hope that Gigg's will maintain the same philosophy but personally I see Gigg's as a more classical 4-4-2 kind of man with slight variations either way so I'm slightly sceptical at the moment However I'd be more than happy if Gigg's was to be moulded towards a 4-3-3 as it is a much more fluid formation in my eyes and seems to be the way forward

I think a better way to go forward is to find players who can adapt and play more than one role. I could see Rooney, Kroos, Gundogan playing in one of the aforementioned roles 6, 8 or 10


32.) Into more than one of the roles*


33.) 03 Jun 2014 23:05:25
Kroos is more of a deep lying playmaker or 'no. 6' as you call it than he is as a number 10. He is much in the mould of Scholesy however, he's much better at tackling. He fits the system, he's one of the best in the world at that role so there is no doubt we are after him, just can't get him for whatever reason that may be. Having said that he's a far more likely signing that Schweinsteiger IMO.


34.) Song is not good enough to play that role. Kroos would be perfect as the deep lying midfielder his passing is second to none and LVG would love him at the club it's Kroos who don't want to join us more like.


35.) Nice post, thanks for the insight into lvg's philosophy.

Based on the hardworking midfielder that makes himself available for passes, and lvg's lack of care for reputation, i'm interested to see how tom cleverly will do. His plus points do fit that role very well.

I think lvg will make things interesting at least. We might see star assets arising from the least likely places if they fit his system.

Thomas muller was a good example. No technical quality but truely brilliant in terms of the overall job he does, off the ball and threading passes. he's a big player now.


 

 

 

Shappy's banter posts with other poster's replies to Shappy's banter posts

 

15 Jun 2018 17:36:48
News that DDG is on the verge of agreeing an extension. This is excellent news.

However, I'll chuck this one out there and see how people feel.

Would you rather sign 1 more player and have DDG sign a new long term contract.

OR

DDG leave and signs for Real Madrid and we sign 3 new players.

Shappy

1.) 15 Jun 2018 17:59:18
De gea 1 million percent. He's our only player that has turned up week in week out for the last 4 season. He is the best in the world in his position and without him we would not have finished 2nd last season. I'd give him the captaincy and make him the best paid player at the club he deserves it.


2.) 15 Jun 2018 18:54:47
Couldnt agree more Dannyc - when you think he is a foreigner, came to us as a skinny kid and got hammered in the press, lives alone as his parents went back to Spain (i think his brother did too) his girlfriend lives in Spain . take all that into consideration and yet he really loves the club and had never agitated for a move after the Moyes/ LVG madness . got to respect the man.

Best in the world in my opinion.


3.) 15 Jun 2018 18:46:14
Good question Shapster. If he wants to stay and is prepare to commit to us then we keep him. He’s one of ours, he’s the best in the world, he wants to stay, he could go on to achieve legendary status.


4.) 15 Jun 2018 18:51:24
Agreed with all that Danny. Keeping De Gea is so important I am ecstatic. Quality keepers save you 10 points a season, or lose you champions league finals as Liverpool found out. To answer your question shappy, I think it depends what 3 players were signed. But replacing De Gea would be so difficult and expensive.


5.) 15 Jun 2018 19:17:51
Impossible question to answer without knowing which 3 players we'd sign.


6.) 15 Jun 2018 19:48:50
Er we should hold off on that offer 😂😂.


7.) 15 Jun 2018 19:51:27
One of those players would have to be a gk and regardless of money we could not replace him so keep DDG for me.


8.) 15 Jun 2018 19:57:54
Real Madrid just turned their fax machine off. what a howler De Gea V portugal.


9.) 15 Jun 2018 19:59:57
Sell him now after that mistake.


10.) 16 Jun 2018 00:34:43
I'll sell him and buy oblak and two other players.


11.) 16 Jun 2018 07:01:44
Cheers guys he is imperative to us having sucess. Like you say he wins us points and important games. I think he is loyal aswell something that is a rarety in this modern day culture. We gave dave the chance to be the player he is and that is a lot of credit to the goalkeeping coaches that we have at our club. But also the mentality of a leader. He leads by example.


 

 

08 Jun 2018 21:09:24
Laurent Blanc, a great former player and a very good manager has said that Pogba is better than Viera based on technical ability.

I agree with that statement. Although Viera was a great player, who turned up every week and contributed consistently over many years I believe Pogba has more natural talent and is a far better passer of the ball, has a better touch and better vision.

Now Pogba needs to step up and make the most of his talent. He complains that he is held up to a different standard than most other midfielders, he needs to realise that he is being held up to the standard his own talent means he could achieve, rather than the standard set by less able players. He should see it as the challenge it is and not a weight to bare around his neck.

Paul is the most talented midfielder of his generation, now he needs Ronaldo's mentality to go out and make the most of it.

Shappy

1.) 08 Jun 2018 21:16:36
Paul scholes was a better technical player than kean, which one would you have?


2.) 08 Jun 2018 21:30:00
Keane followed closely by scholes.


3.) 08 Jun 2018 21:39:29
Jred, I get the point but you are comparing 2 legends. I think Blanc is highlighting that Viera was an incredible player, and whilst Pogba isn’t at that level yet, he has the capacity to be better. The questions is, does he want to commit mentally to deliver to his potential? Mi sincerely hoe so. If he gets anywhere near the player Viera was in the EPL than I’ll be happy.


4.) 08 Jun 2018 21:45:28
Scholes?


5.) 08 Jun 2018 22:04:50
Agree he has a great talent. He can do better and i'm sure everybody here hopes he does. I don't think he has been awful just not as good as he can be.
Jred that's a tough question but i'd choose scholes every time over 99% of all the midfielders of his generation including Keane.


6.) 08 Jun 2018 22:06:29
I might be proved wrong but if next season we play Pogba as the front of a midfield 3 or the middle of a 3 behind Lukaku we will see a completely different player.
Mourinho needs to let him loose a bit but an inter changing 3 of Sanchez, Pogba and a new RW (Bale for arguments sake) would wreak havok.


7.) 08 Jun 2018 22:42:37
Jred, Scholes hands down every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Best player to pull on the United shirt in my life time. I would take a Scholes at his peak over a Ronaldo at his.

Keane was a great player for us, but Scholes was the class.

Plus in today's football Keane would be sent off every other week. He wouldn't be allowed to bully and dominate opposition teams in the same way he did in the 90s.

For that reason I would take a fully fit and at his peak Bryan Robson over Keane to play in today's game.


8.) 08 Jun 2018 23:15:08
Shaps i had a post up it never turned up.
I would have keane, scholes was a magnificent player, amazing was he better than zidane or Rui costa, pirolo.
At the time I can't think of anyone better than keane during his era at doing what he did .
United juventus . David's zidane against scholes and keane and a few other decent players .

Zidane and keane in a cm tho.


9.) 08 Jun 2018 23:48:44
Scholes for me jred, Keane was pure grit and determination and a man you'd always want to drive the team but scholes ran the show.


10.) 09 Jun 2018 00:08:13
Rubbish abs rubbish talk

For me its Roy keane all day long all year year long. I agree PS scored great goals and made some great passes but Keane was the one who read the game, Sniffed out attacks and allowed the freedom for scholes to play. I ask you to give me a game for club and country where Scholes played a blinder making MOTM for both club and country? Roy keane had a pair made of steel that would make Supernan look wimpy! I remember watching Keane when he came out of International Retirement and we played France. Theis France team had Viera, Zidane and another midfield Giant yet the stats show keane bossed the midfield that night and ran out MOTM deservedly.

Now Scholes is a great player but Keane was a boss and a better captain and if he were in the current team today would kick many of our players backsides to perform. This man did not come ranked 3 in the all time PL players for nothing.


11.) 09 Jun 2018 01:02:42
Pif. Agree with that.


12.) 09 Jun 2018 07:40:39
PIF, Keane was a great player and there's no denying that.

Scholes was just better imo. Keane couldn't play like he did in today's game. Scholes on the other hand came out of retirement in January and played 33 times between then and the end of the season in deep midfield still scoring 4 goals and carrying the team to our last title win.

We have proven we could win without Keane, we haven't yet proven we can win without Scholes.


13.) 09 Jun 2018 07:40:39
Keane .

We were truly blessed to be even allowed to make the choice but keane was a different animal I've never seen a will to win like it.

Even the fact that pogba I'd even being spoken about in the same breath as viera should cheer him up he is without doubt 1 of the best midfielders I've ever seen.


14.) 09 Jun 2018 09:51:27
We need a Keane more than we need a Scholes.

Keane left under a cloud and I think that sways some people on him (not all of course) . He was the heart behind our team, Scholes was class, but often went missing early on in his career and benefited from superb players around him. Keane was a constant warrior and inspiration, whether he was at Man Utd or the Dog and Duck he would have been exactly the same. Nobody like him anymore and doubtful again.

In terms of Pogba over Vieira, two different players completely, probably compared because they are both French and look similar. Vieira is twice the player of Pogba at the moment in any case from my perspective.


15.) 09 Jun 2018 11:02:50
I’ll try this again in the right thread


Keane, without a doubt. Keane was so good at every aspect of midfield that he could comfortably play in a midfield two with a player that completely lacked the ability to tackle. Scholes was fantastic, beautiful technique. But Keane was the most important player of the Fergie era. You can even see it with the way the likes of Ronaldo react to him today, realise that his example and leadership pushed everyone to be better.


16.) 09 Jun 2018 11:14:32
haha - I noticed that Danny, I was wondering if the thought of Keane made you stand to attention, maybe Leahy should try it!

Agree in both cases, lol.


17.) 09 Jun 2018 12:25:09
If i had to pick a best 11 from that period keane would be in it and be captain .
Scholes was a great player, amazing player but keane made a bigger difference imo .
Scholes was probably a better player when he played alongside keane .
I think keane would of been just as good if he played alongside a corner post.


18.) 09 Jun 2018 14:28:58
I see what you did there beast, good one😀.


19.) 09 Jun 2018 14:30:47
Agree jred. He just had the will to win, a born winner. i have a shrine in my house of him, the wife hates it as I tell her to bow every time she passes it out.


20.) 09 Jun 2018 15:38:02
Scholes every time.


 

 

04 Jun 2018 14:19:54
Serious question here for everyone, let's say Mourinho spends another 200m+ on players this summer, several young players such as Shaw and Martial leave.

Then next season plays out the same as this season, we play boring negative anti-football, while limping out of the UCL and finishing 2nd or 3rd 10-15 points off the leaders.

Would you still say Jose is the right man for the job and we should stick with him?

Shappy

1.) 04 Jun 2018 17:11:00
Definitely not the progression now is to at least mount a very serious title challenge. Even if the football is better to watch.
Got to say I'm quite excited about the shake up in the coaching staff think it could be a real positive for us.


2.) 04 Jun 2018 17:11:58
Let's talk about Jose for the 1 millionth and one time.


3.) 04 Jun 2018 17:12:25
No.
There needs to be continual improvement so next season should see us going for the title (properly) and going further in the champions league if that isn't achieved then the manager isn't fulfilling his remit and should be treated ad any other manager who fails to deliver.


4.) 04 Jun 2018 17:14:04
Oh Definitely - Jose is bigger than the club, he is a winner remember, before him we were just a shell of a team with LVG as the benchmark for him to be judged against at all times. (SAF didn't exist and if he did, it was just the last fluky season playing equally as bad football that Jose is to be compared with) there should follow the biggest sarc emoji known to man!

I know this post isn't directed at people on our side of the fence Shappy, but frankly anybody still supporting what Jose brings to the table is never going to change their criteria of success/ failure or expectations. It's a thankless task as they watch a different game and expect different things from their club. I suspect they are more interested in the 'stats' than the actual display.

Each to their own, but anybody saying they are enjoying watching us or like the direction we are heading in, or think this is a recipe for beautiful, attacking football, just aren't worth the trouble trying to convince otherwise - they are lost in my eyes. But if they are happy at least that means some of our fans are, take solace in that mate because I have realised that there are just some people you can't convince no matter how powerful the argument.


5.) 04 Jun 2018 17:24:20
Nope. next season needs to be better - we need some silverware with a serious title challenge finishing in the mid to high 80s in points. the football needs to be more attacking and we need to get to the final 8 in the champs league. That would represent progress and we would have got to where SAF left us. If we continue to play limp football and end the season where we ended this one jose would have gone backwards for me.


6.) 04 Jun 2018 17:26:32
Shaw's had enough chances and is no loss. Every journo and pundit is reporting Jose and the club want martial to stay. Who's to say how we perform? We're playing 2 wingers at full back because the 2 actual full backs aren't good enough. Our best centre back spent part the season injured. Our big signing at centre back needed to adjust to a new country and league, Rojo missed almost all the season and isn't good enough. Says it all we had to rely on Jones and Smalling. And of course Dave the Save. let's see if we can improve the defence, see if Fred can add some dynamism in the middle, and if anyone can grab the right forward berth that would make a difference. How about let's see how the transfer window goes first. Your a good poster shappy and I enjoy your posts but its getting repetitive now. If however the season goes how you say, and I sincerely hope it doesn't then yes its time for him to go. But who comes in and how much time does he get before we get more sack the manager posts?


7.) 04 Jun 2018 17:32:41
Beast's post brought to you by the strawman fallacy. (Look it up. )


8.) 04 Jun 2018 17:33:54
I’m excited to see who Jose falls out with next season. Sanchez is an obvious choice, but I’m sure he’ll pull out a surprise for us.


9.) 04 Jun 2018 17:38:52
Obviously has to be clear progression shaps. If your scenario plays out then he must go. We have to be challenging for the title right into the business end of the season, minimum quarter finals in the champions league, and the style has to improve dramatically.

Beast - just because someone doesn’t share the same view as you doesn’t mean they are wrong. I’m very much in the middle on my view on Jose. I am unhappy with the style but can appreciate there have been improvements. Not everything is black or white, but can be grey too. I also am willing to give him another season, but if he doesn’t perform he must be shown the exit. Doesn’t mean I think Jose is bigger than the club or think he can do no wrong.

You’ve turned on the last 3 managers pretty quickly. To your credit you were right about lvg, and you point out some good points regarding Jose. But whose to say you won’t turn on the next manager if we are in the same situation 2 years down the line. You may get your wish of jardim and he may play great football, but we are challenging for 4th. I can guarantee you will be calling for his head because we are not challenging for top honours. I’ll be happy to hold my hands up at the end of next season and say you are right regarding Jose if he fails. But your consistent negativity gets a bit too much sometimes. Maybe I am not seeing the facts like you. But I will back whoever is manager of our great club because that’s the right thing to do, whether I like him or not.


10.) 04 Jun 2018 17:54:33
Sexy beast, it’s not just the managers that he’s turning on.


11.) 04 Jun 2018 18:06:29
I’m in favour of Mourinho staying, but it’s all about progress hence why I’m not overly disappointed with this season. If Mourinho gets the players he wants, there’s no excuses. We need to either close the gap to city, or somehow overtake them and ensure a much better showing in Europe for him to remain imo.


12.) 04 Jun 2018 17:59:58
beast i am a jose in fan, but i'm not an idiot, the football has been unattractive and boring to watch mostly if not 90 percent of the time, if i thought otherwise i would be a fool,

but at times all be it not a great deal of times there has been glimpses of the type of football we can play especially at the start of the season and as many have said on here this will be his 3rd season and the style has to be improved not doubt about that

i think we can all agree that the style isn't great to watch,

but he must be doing somthing right because we finished above the all out attacking sides like Liverpool and spurs. we are hard to beat and don't concede many.

there has been many times where our play in the final third has cost us points, that you can't blame on the manager.

love him or hate him, complain about the style the fact is he is getting the job done, all be it slowly, forget fergie that era is over.

you cannot deny we have progressed post fergie which everyone seems to revert back to when slagging jose off and if anyone on your side of the fence thought otherwise then like you say each to your own.

the team we have atm is not a team you can play attacking football with, we don't control games in the middle of the park.

the full backs are poor going forward, can't cross a ball and the centre halfs are not good enough bar bailly who up untill his injury was top.

ive said it time and time again that up untill the injuires to bailly and pogba at the start of the season we were flying.

we lack quality in certain areas

we are weak in many areas to play a style of football that's going to not only look amazing to watch while still maintaining a challenge.

{Ed025's Note - the thing is bolger as you say this is his 3rd season and for me the style has stayed the same...slow, boring at times, and bus parking against the better teams, obviously for you its all about the results and thats fine if thats what floats your boat, for me united is synonymous with style, quality and having teams that frighten the life out of the opposition, they are miles away from that at the moment if you ask me and thats solely down to the manager mate, him being an egotistical arsehole does not help matters either..


13.) 04 Jun 2018 18:34:19
Ed I would disagree that I am a fan all about the results. I've grew up only knowing united playing attacking football since the 90s

But I just didn't expect Jose to come in and implement that straight away coming off 2 managers before him who played poor football it was going to take time.

I do agree with people on here who say Jose plays boring football and it needs to improve that is something that needs to be done this season otherwise questions will be asked

I just don't think he's done that bad a job as most people are making out.

We knew what we were getting with Jose from day one.

{Ed025's Note - your right you did bolger which beggars the question why him?, once upon a time he would have been a good catch but has gone downhill faster than a fat kid on a slide in recent times, maybe its because im a bit of a purist but i have always begrudgingly admired united because of the way they played the game...but not anymore mate..


14.) 04 Jun 2018 18:47:07
I don't care who if the two you mentioned leave as they haven't contributed much. I would say Martial didn't really get many chances thus year compared to rashford but no one knows the reason why.

If jose gets the players he wanta and doesn't improve the points tally or doeant win the league next year then you would have to evaluate and see what's best available for the club.

All the top managers are at their clubs already. It also depends on how we do in champions league.

My personal opinion is we will do fine next year . Man city can't really improve on what they have done this year, most of their players will be tires coming back from worldcup and with no David Silva if he leaves they will be a much weaker unit.


15.) 04 Jun 2018 19:38:40
Don't think we are miles away from being a really good team. Remember how we were before Eric arrived? We were decent but he just provided the extra spark. I kind of feel that we are almost at that turning point again. There is a lot of talent at Jose disposal. if we click and stay clear of injuries we can be a real force.


16.) 04 Jun 2018 19:45:48
I think when Jose first came to England with Chelsea he had a massive advantage on other teams at the time with Romans dollar

He's just a very stubborn manager


Hopefully the shake up of the backroom staff will bring fresh ideas into the team.

We have a good transfer window and pre season and he proves everyone wrong.


17.) 05 Jun 2018 01:57:19
Lol - the vultures are circling, quite why you feel the need to fan the flames Shappy I have no idea. For some reason some fans/ poster's can find no good in the last season. Some seem determined that it will go down in the history books as one of the worst in utd's history.

City undoubtedly were different class all year.

Liverpool finally turned their promising team into a good run in the UCL, albeit with no trophy.

I can only summise that the relative style of our two fiercest rivals has got under the skin of our fans. Assisted of course by the media who love to write about utd.

We forget that in the early season we seemed to score 4 goals every week. But the performance wasn't good enough.

We are all seeking perfection, but I have to admit that 6-0 every week with 90% possession is pretty boring stuff.

I am optimistic about next season, but refuse to chalk up last season as the total disaster that a few would have us believe.


18.) 05 Jun 2018 05:55:00
I think it is our style that has got under most people's skin.


19.) 05 Jun 2018 13:54:04
Shappy,

I think I know how you feel. When Moyes was appointed manager I was utterly distraught, desolated, beyond consoling because I felt it was such a huge negative step backwards, which of course it was. You are posting in an almost desperate pleading manner for everyone to see what you see. You and the Beast want to make everyone see the “light”, realise the manager is awful and suddenly he will be dismissed and all our problems will be solved by adding a coach who may or may not be able to play attractive football. Would a new coach win anything? Probably not. I was prepared to keep my head down in shame at another year of Moyes but the club were decisive and I expect they would be if they couldn’t see improvement or a clear direction from Jose.

I doubt many enjoyed the football last year but football teams are not just built on nice footballers and fancy play, Madrid win games because of players like Ramos, not just the fancy ones. Their football has t been great this season, but what a cup to win. You ask about whether young players like Shaw and Martial leave, yet if they had half the will to win of a Ramos they would play every week.

I understand your desperation but the same argument over and over isn’t going to change the manager this summer. If Woodward does his job then the right quality of player will arrive and that will benefit the club, remember some players are and will come to play for Mourinho. I don’t think you can be definite but I would expect the board to set the manager some key objectives and that will define what happens to him. Season on season improvement would need to see us close or in front of City. We have to wait and see.


 

 

29 May 2018 13:26:16
Remember the days when we would sign a player and the Liverpool fans would go nuts that we are moving further ahead of them and their board/ manager was wasting time and signing the wrong players.

And we would just laugh at them, I miss those days.

Shappy

1.) 29 May 2018 13:42:27
Agree Shappy.
We should not give them the opportunity to show us the mirror. We focus on our own targets and get on with our path and proceed toward our own objectives.
No need for panic and whining. What will be will be.


2.) 29 May 2018 13:51:44
Shappy,

Like when we signed Sanchez you mean or they sold their best player to Barcelona (twice)?

They signed a player before us in the window, who cares?


3.) 29 May 2018 14:01:38
Yes i remember when we signed pogba, zlatan, bailly and micky in one window and liverpool fans were up in arms about our ambition. We finished 6th, they came 4th.

Also when we signed lukaku, matic, lindelof and alexis in one season. They made a champions league final, we got knocked out in the round of 16.

We shouldn't be focusing on what other clubs are doing because we are more than capable of shooting ourselves in the foot.


4.) 29 May 2018 14:52:19
I remember when I used to be able to look at the Liverpool team and say, "I'd probably take one of your players to improve Utd" and virtually every one of our squad would strengthen them. Nowadays, well not quite so much, despite them constantly losing their best players, almost the opposite.

I see the transfer/ football plan from Pep, Poch, Klopp - I don't see Jose's plan yet, I'm hoping to this summer or it will be more of the same.


5.) 29 May 2018 15:02:06
Poch,? He is replacing good players with average, recent signings by Spurs have been poor.


6.) 29 May 2018 15:13:07
I disagree mate, but even so - the players he is signing you can see where they fit and where they are needed.

Moura and Aurier are big gambles but reasonable fees and pedigree. Sanchez is going to be great and Llorente was a clever backup signing.

Just to be clear, I can see the idea, the rationale behind the signing, how they will fit the system/ style - they aren't worldbeaters but they fit. Ours seem a random mix needing different types of players, almost like an International team picking players on form who don't know one anothers game.


7.) 29 May 2018 15:50:23
Poch has been using the same players for 2/ 3 seasons, only recent signing that has played regularly is Sanchez, replacing Toby who I think is one of the best CB in epl.
Forget Sergej and Moura, there few others like Wimmer, and N'Koudou who have been average.

On Utd I think we have some good players, but like you say we don't play like a team, we lack cohesion.


8.) 29 May 2018 15:51:58
If your comparing pics maze then I'm clearly better looking than you and more mentally stable considering the recreational activities. Not to mention I can juggle a potato, golf ball and tennis ball a lot more than you can with both feet.


9.) 29 May 2018 16:20:26
Let’s get this right. Poch’s record in the transfer market is very average. Aurier is a liability, Moura adds nothing, Trippier is a huge downgrade on Walker, and Janssen and Llorente are massive flops. He also bought Sissoko and Lamela who are terrible.

Sanchez at the back is a good signing, but at the expense of Alderweireld! I’d be very worried if he came to us and was given a cheque book.

Jose has bought a whole new spine in the team which was needed in Bailly, Pog, Matic and Lukaku and all have been pretty decent. Lindelof will come good as he’s only 22. Sanchez is a class act and will work it out, and Zlatan was good for us for a season.

I am a critic of Jose and the style of footbal we play but let’s not just criticise him blindly. Most of his transfers have improved our team. Poch has been a disaster in the market.


10.) 29 May 2018 16:40:35
It's all Jose fault.


11.) 29 May 2018 17:34:19
Poch has had many flops, but my point is you know why those players were signed. You can understand the logic, like a great deal of transfers they didn't all work out. I'm not saying he is great in the market, I'm saying there is logic!

He signed Trippier, Alderweirald, Sanchez, Wanyama - all four are solid good signings for very little money comparitively.

Aurier and Moura still a lot to prove, but too soon to tell. Llorente clever deal.

The rest have been flops, but relatively inexpensive flops asside from Sissoko - they made sense to me. Only one that is really ropey is Aurier, but he is like a wild horse that if tamed could be fantastic. Sissoko was the lemon, but he did look formidable for Newcastle at times and they'll recoup a fair chunk if moved on.


12.) 29 May 2018 17:39:58
Couldn’t agree more Eric. Sorry beast but I think you are wrong regarding Poch on his ability in the transfer market. He has replaced technically talented players with athletes and work horses. The only half decent signing is Sanchez and his positional awareness is shocking. He is lucky he is so quick so he can make up for his mistakes.

On the whole, I think Jose has bought pretty well. Where he is failing is getting the most out of the players and getting them to play as a unit. We are awful to watch but if he can get more out of the players we will be challenging comfortably. Pep has done great in the market and bought the right players for his system. But he has been given a brand new defence. Klopp has made some good signings but others are misses. The grass is not always greener.


13.) 29 May 2018 18:55:53
I read that poch had a net spend of 19 mil since 2014 . Working on a fraction of the salary of teams like United, city etc .
With spurs having to pay for a new stadium, I think he is doing great with limited resources compared to the teams around him .


14.) 29 May 2018 18:59:49
Should also say it's not only the manager that is responsible for buying players.


15.) 29 May 2018 19:22:44
Beast,

I understand where you are coming from in regards to Poch and I agree. While his signings haven’t been great, they were signed for his “plan” with Spurs inability to spend big in mind.

I’m a José fan but I also think we need to see his image still within his signings. Someone mentioned the other day that we don’t always need to have big name signings, but some that could come in and do the job they’re asked to do within Jose’s “plan”.

Saying that, we had players like O’Shea who wasn’t a world beater but did a job that a Fergie needed him to do and that worked. This is what I believe you mean when you want to see a plan, and if it is I agree with you mate.


 

 

22 May 2018 11:31:03
How is a managers inability to manage so many players the players fault and not the managers.

Falling out with everyone, looking to sell some of our best players.

Can we afford to just buy and sell 10+ players every summer because the manager has fallen out with them.

Shappy

1.) 22 May 2018 12:39:07
I totally agree happy. Ed002 has suggested Jose does not want to be here, that he misses his family (which is understandable) . I think we should call it quits with Jose.

The German red bull team play football in the right way, they developed youth and their manager may be open to a new opportunity, I would suggest he would be a better fit.

I know people will say we need stability, but Jose ripping apart the team, casting aside our young talents and bringing the pensioner brigade will not help us in the medium to long term.

We need to get back to our heritage and move on from Jose. Wasting £200m transfer budget and losing martial is a bridge too far for me.


2.) 22 May 2018 13:00:34
Pretty nonplussed as to whether jose stays or goes. Have huge admiration and respect for what he's done as a manager but he really looks like he doesn't want to be here.

Might be a case of one more year and then bring in pochetino or allegri to take the team forwards.

If that is to be the case though then surely the board would have to step in and stop jose selling players like martial, bailly and shaw in the knowledge that they could potentially be revitalised under a new manager.


3.) 22 May 2018 13:21:51
I wouldn't mind seeing Mourinho go. It is more than how the season has gone on paper, finishing second is decent, it is rather the mood around the club. The way we went down in the Champions League and the FA Cup. along with Mourinho's attitude, has left a sour taste. He is arrogant and always blames someone else when we fall short.


4.) 22 May 2018 13:45:25
So get rid of another manager hire someone new it sounds so easy.

That would be what 4 managers in 5 years.

It's embarrassing.

A club brought up on values and tradition yet first sign of struggle we wield the axe for a 3rd time.

Not even struggle we've finished on our highest points total. Highest finish in how long.


The football may not be fast attacking and all out magical every week. but there has been spells of it. It's consistancy that's let us down not Jose.

But come on. is there not a point where we stop and think you know what. it's not that bad yeah a few tweaks here and there

It's getting on borderline embarrasing how the majority are reacting.

We don't want a reputation of sacking managers constantly.


5.) 22 May 2018 13:58:39
Who has he blamed by the way? The groundsman? The waterboy? The ticket counter agent? don't think so. He has blamed the players and he has every right to do it given how they have been playing. Its not Jose's fault if they can't complete a 5 yard pass. People actually need to get their heads out of Football Manager's ass and live in the reality. Sack one manager, get another one in. You are happy then but may be i won't be so i will call for his head. Then we get another in.
WE ARE THE TOXICS.


6.) 22 May 2018 13:59:33
bolger the club's values and tradition include playing attacking football and giving kids a chance, the manager can't abide by either of those but let's create arbitrary values and traditions that somehow include giving manager more time to ruin the team and bore us to death while not winning anything substantial after spending 300mn+ in 2 years.


7.) 22 May 2018 14:00:53
You are right bolger, having four managers in five years is not ideal. But you have to remember we hired jose mourinho as a short term fix, he's spent a maximum of three years at previous clubs.

Surely the club should have a plan considering he's been here two years and if he stays longer than next season he will be in unusual territory and allowing to make wholesale changes to the squad would be unwise if he's not here to see the team through for a long period.


8.) 22 May 2018 17:02:34
common sense,

the player who has played the most matches since jose has took over is rashford,

and he's given other kids a chances.

we won 2 trophies last season come runner up and lost in a final this season playing this dross football.

where has he ruined the team, he took over a team that was worse than we have now, less competitive than we are now.

its like moon said further up, plenty of people clash in jobs, he's the manager not your friend he's been hired to do a job and he's doing exactly that.

weather its pretty or ugly he's getting the job done more so than not.


9.) 22 May 2018 17:32:51
Beast - Backing the manager? how about not supporting his family being threatened on a weekly basis which has forced him to close his social accounts.

I think Mourinho is bigger than the club? not at all. I can appreciate when somebody is working 20 hour days however. And I can stand up to our own establishment when the criticism is going overboard.

I'm not sure why I'm bitter? exactly. I am a huge Van Gaal fan, he's had a phenomenal career and although it didn't work out here, let's not forget that he himself offered his resignation because of the behaviour of the fans.

Lets also not forget that Allegri decided not to manage the great Manchester United because of our fans' abuse.

I wanted Van Gaal to work out an awful lot, as you would have seen in my posts from back in the day I was lucky enough to meet some close friends of Van Gaal's and discuss what he'd be like with them.

So atleast my judgement on a manager is based on actual personal evidence.

Van Gaal had us close to playing some good stuff, we really weren't far away. You've only got to look at his last year for that. We performed relatively well IMO. not as bad as most make out.

Just like not winning the Mickey Mouse Cup V2.0 isn't a reason to cry.

I'll take a 2nd place finish after a 7th, 4th, 6th and 5th placed finish any time of the week.

Maybe it's because I'm not wearing red tinted specs? maybe it's because Getafe are my club and I don't have the same 'passion' you all do.

But a lot of you don't realise that whether you mean to do it or not you're doing more harm than good to the club.

Perhaps the levels of abuse Rashford, Martial, Jones, Smalling, Shaw, Young, and so on have endured on social media is the reason they don't give a toss about playing for the fans anymore.

If you can't see our fanbase is driving away everything that made us great then I've got a feeling you're going to hate the next few years.


10.) 22 May 2018 18:05:58
Yeah, I'd hate to turn into Real Madrid the way they go through managers. Someone should point out to them where they're going wrong. After another Champions League final.


 

 

 

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18 Jun 2018 15:26:30
It depends on which formation Mourinho wants to play next season. Toward the end of the season he seemed to settle on a 433. If that's the case we will need 6 midfielders to rotate next season. Personally I think with Pereira and TFM we should be fine. However, Mourinho will not have 3 young midfielders who he will regularly rely on. So I wouldn't be surprised to see another one signed.

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14 Jun 2018 12:18:02
It says he is happy with the club, but he is unhappy with the manager and his limited game time in spite of his good goalscoring/ creating record.

So it's not the club he doesn't want to play for but the manager.

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11 Jun 2018 16:22:39
Or you might find your faith rewarded. Lol.

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11 Jun 2018 09:10:24
Excellent Lee mate, thought it was just me and Ken from the united page. Looks like we might have the three musketeers now. Lol.

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10 Jun 2018 22:22:48
Hey guys, ken and myself are both playing in this match mostly with guys from the Liverpool page. Some support would be greatly appreciated, if anyone can make the game and get involved that would be great, a few extra players so old fogies like men don't have to play 90 minutes could save his old creaking joints. Lol.
If you can't make it then donations or just tuning in to the Facebook live viewing of me making a tit of myself would be great.

I don't know about you guys but the site has given me so much over the years, I've been posting since it was a single page, and it's been a pleasure to watch it grow and be small part of that. So I'm more than happy to give a little back.

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18 Jun 2018 17:03:51
There are a few teams who you can say that about. France and Argentina man for man probably have one of the toughest squads to assemble as they genuinely have so many players who should be there. Yet both are flattering to decieve.

Germany and Brazil were the bookies tips to win it. Yet both looked off the pace and venerable yesterday albeit probably against the toughest opponents they have in their groups.

Fact is you won't really see what these teams are capable of until the knock-out rounds. With these competitions it's not how you start them but how you finish them.

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17 Jun 2018 13:38:14
Lee scored, I missed a sitter and Ken channelled his inner Shefki Kuqi. Lol. All are highlights for regulars of the United page.

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17 Jun 2018 08:01:42
There it is the cherry on the top. Not only did we deny Tris the title, but we have made a scouser proclaim the now immortal line and new LFC club motto "next year will be our year". Lol.

Shappy

{Ed001's Note - I put that in especially for you mate.}


 

 

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17 Jun 2018 07:56:30
666Red, if you have Facebook they are on the "football-rumours" page. Benny will be uploading to YouTube at some point. However, I think he's earned a day or two off. He has put in a huge effort to pull this game off, and the success of it was down to him.

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16 Jun 2018 22:44:01
Fantastic effort made by yourself Ben, you can be proud. I had a great time, and will definitely be back for next year. Well done mate.

Shappy