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14 Aug 2018 22:10:42
Rumours that Zidane wants a job in the EPL. Would you take him?

Shappy

1.) 14 Aug 2018 23:09:52
He plays similar to Mourinho and since you don't like Mourinho then u won't like him.


2.) 14 Aug 2018 23:41:42
Nuno for me. 😁.

{Ed004's Note - Im not sure on how good a manager he is. That Madrid side was stacked with talent. However, his formation and style of play would suit our current side}


3.) 15 Aug 2018 00:02:46
Everytime i watched madrid under zidane they used to play counter attacking football.


4.) 15 Aug 2018 00:01:56
Ed don't u think he plays similar to how Mourinho plays?

{Ed004's Note - I would say he is slightly more attacking. His fullbacks get involved more and he plays a higher line}


5.) 15 Aug 2018 01:12:20
But don't u think that is because of the fact he had better full backs and players available.

{Ed004's Note - Probably but they were still given license to bomb forward. He wouldnt be my first choice but I cant think of a better and available manager}


6.) 15 Aug 2018 07:30:56
He wouldn't be my first choice, or even in my top three. Jardim, Marcelino and Eddie Howe would be the top three I would consider. Giovanni van Bronckhorst would be another to keep a close eye on.

Of course having the correct DoF would be needed if we were to go for one of these kinds of managers.


7.) 15 Aug 2018 08:17:14
Give to a young hungry British manager that plays footy the right way.
Vote Eddie howe.


8.) 15 Aug 2018 09:51:12
Sorry have I missed something? I thought we already had a manager.
We need to stop crucifying current staff and get behind them and let them get on with the job without the added pressure of fan criticism. Whether we like the style of play or not we have won trophies under Mourinho and hopefully there are more to come.


9.) 15 Aug 2018 10:13:01
Given Mourinho's record it is highly probable that we will need a new manager come next summer.

Merely speculating whether people would want Zidane, a manager who has won three UCL titles back to back. If not then who do they want it/ when Jose leaves.


10.) 15 Aug 2018 10:32:47
We need Louie Van Gaal army to play for us.


11.) 15 Aug 2018 10:47:18
Our fans want Zidane who took a Real Madrid side that had the likes of Ronlado, Modric, Marcelo, Bale, Ramos to a 3rd place finish last season with 76 points over Jose Mourinho who took a fairly above average Man Utd side to 2nd place with 81 points not proven outside Madrid, not to mention his 3 CL wins were littered with controversy.


12.) 15 Aug 2018 10:59:13
Scholes
Did anyone say they wanted zidane?


13.) 15 Aug 2018 11:06:05
Quite a lot of our fans, certainly on social media, want Zidane to take over.


14.) 15 Aug 2018 11:56:02
Scholes in this thread or page.


15.) 15 Aug 2018 13:12:27
Scholes he took the same side to 3 straight cl wins a feat not achieved by any team before him. Funny enough barring bale mourinho had the same players you mentioned, how many cl's did mourinho win with them?


16.) 15 Aug 2018 15:26:22
He'd be my tentative choice, jred. Bright, intelligent, forward-thinking, and no little courage in always trying to play good football even when Bournemouth were struggling at times.


17.) 15 Aug 2018 15:44:15
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It would be a brave choice but why not he reminds me a lot of poch another manager I like.


18.) 15 Aug 2018 16:19:17
I think howe is overrated. has had a lot of money at his disposal. Don't fall for 'little old Bournemouth' line. Billionaire backer.

I don't think he has managed to get the best out of the players he has and has had. Poor tactics as well.

I think he would be found out big time at a club the size of united.


19.) 15 Aug 2018 17:14:12
Angel I disagree I think him and poch play a modern brand that would transfer well .
Same as poch playing the same with Southampton as spurs .

Bourmouth really spent that much in the epl compared to the teams they are up against?


20.) 15 Aug 2018 17:33:29
Biesla. It would be crazy.


21.) 15 Aug 2018 17:11:45
Okay thanks ed.


22.) 15 Aug 2018 18:56:02
Pochettino next season . Young, good football, plenty of experience in England, good at working with young players and would work with a DOF.


23.) 15 Aug 2018 19:06:11
Give it to Ole Gunnar under a DoF! Why not!


24.) 16 Aug 2018 12:48:41
I’d take Mourinho over almost anyone, especially those mentioned here.


25.) 16 Aug 2018 17:18:02
Get Roy Keane out of that studio and in the dugout . Man Utd in his DNA 😆😆.


26.) 16 Aug 2018 17:27:32
If only BFRO.


 

 

17 Jul 2018 11:05:15
169 Goals at this years World Cup. Which means I'd like to invite.
Salah - 167
Jamesmack8 - 165
Red Reaper - 162
Laney - 160

To play in the 2019 Matt Hawker charity game.
Thanks to everyone who had a guess, and any drop outs I'll contact the next closest.

Next phase will be when Ed001 and 002 pick their two tribes to go to war.
We did a live chat where they took turns picking last year, I think we did it around November? So let's aim for then :)

Posted on behalf of Benny Baller.

Shappy

{Ed002's Note - I'll get on to the kits then.}


1.) 17 Jul 2018 14:09:58
Last time Salah will win anything this season ;)


 

 

03 Feb 2017 14:43:44
What do people make of the rumour this morning that along with Rooney that Martial maybe sold to raise funds for Griezmann?

Things don't seem quite right with Martial this season, he doesn't seem to have the trust of Jose, he has had an unsettled life off the pitch. He was unhappy about losing the No.9 shirt, and his agent was making noises about going to Sevilla on loan.

Our interest in Griezmann seems pretty solid, and the questoon was if he signed who would miss out?

Martial looks a prime candidate for being the one to miss out so maybe the club will look to move him on. Would be sad to see him go as he has so much potential.

Shappy

1.) 03 Feb 2017 15:40:16
If the reports are true that he refused to warm up before the hull game and his attitude stinks then I think we should get rid regardless of how talented he is.

Plenty more players that would jump at the chance to be in his position.


2.) 03 Feb 2017 15:59:17
I can see them both going Shappy, not sure if that is "too raise funds" but it's a nicer way of putting it than "no longer good enough and not professional/ mature enough", to be honest if we expect to be at the top there are about 10 players that need to be replaced with superior ones. Too many of our players have gotten away with simply plodding along for too long and a few others are not progressing or coming to the end of their careers/ effectiveness.

I could list them, but it would be one hell of a long list, more messy than ever when you look at each player in our squad and ask "are they good enough to be a regular starter in a title winning team"? .


3.) 03 Feb 2017 16:03:58
If griezmann comes in someone will have to move on and i think it could be martial .
I don't think rooney going would be tied in to griezmann and i don't think united need to sell to buy .


4.) 03 Feb 2017 16:31:02
If he refuses to try harder it is consistently unprofessional regarding his place in the squad then, after being given a fair chance to improve, he needs to move in. Shane, as very talented.

However, media loves to create mischief with United stories, so hopefully it's something that Mouribgo can successfully address.


5.) 03 Feb 2017 16:31:36
Martial is lazy when he hasn't got the ball. There is no movement from him. He just stands there with his shoulders slumped looking fed up, his body language is awful. I think this is why Jose states he has to do more to earn his place.


6.) 03 Feb 2017 16:43:44
Dave, I'm not sure that's true. Mourinho is a team man and he wouldn't stand for that kind of attitude. Its disrespectful to your team mates and creates a bad atmosphere.

I can see why people might consider Martial sulky, he does have a very sullen look about him. He rarely smiles even when he scores.

I think if he really was like that then we might have heard something about it before rather than the press waiting until Mourinho drops him to suddenly start telling the world what he was like.

Beast, will you ever be happy? Were you ever happy with the team? So are you suggesting that DDG is the only player you'd keep? Beyond that we need a whole new 21/ 22 players to build a good squad? A little bit of an over reaction isn't? I'm starting tk think that you would be saying the same things if you were a fan of any other club in the world, everything is being done wrong in your opinion.

Jred, I don't think the club needs to sell to buy, but the wages could be an issue. Martial being sold would help balance the books considering how much Griezmann would cost and the fact that we would probably look to bring in another 3-4 players as well as Greizmann. That could well be close to 200m being spent. We would probably need to recoupe around 100m of that, which means we would need at least one big sale. I think Rooney leaving is more about freeing up the wages rather than any fee we would recieve.

{Ed007's Note - Wazza will get a bumper new contract extension before the summer ;-)


7.) 03 Feb 2017 16:51:03
Hi shaps. I really hope martial will be kept, many sources have claimed he wants to stay and is happy. I think he has gotten better and obviously things happened in the summer that unsettled his person.

I would actually move on ibra to be honest, it would allow a front 4 of martial, rash, griezmann and miki. Much more pace and flexibility. I really like ibra but feel that 1 year was enough and hopefully some of the younger players have learned from him.


8.) 03 Feb 2017 17:11:21
I'd love to know who reported it dave. It's not the first time this season that he hasn't warmed up.

Is this like the story last week where he supposedly didn't go to training? That was a load of crap.


9.) 03 Feb 2017 17:33:59
I said last week, all of sudden everything that happens will be down to martial's attitude. People jump on a comment and then it snow balls.


10.) 03 Feb 2017 17:52:27
Shappy - Well I'm not happy scrapping for 4th place every year mate, so yeah the squad needs a cull. If I were in charge which is what I think you are asking, then the only ones I would keep for the starting 11 (most of our team are squad players at best) .

DDG, Jones, Bailly, Miki, Herrera (on the edge) - none of the rest would make it in my first team. If they pulled their fingers out then Shaw, Martial, Pogba and Ibra would potentially. All the rest of them can go as far as I'm concerned. Players like Rojo, Valencia, Carrick, do well but they should be squad players at best now.

So yeah, I'm not very happy, because too many people beat around the bush. Whinge about not being positive, but if you take a step back it's pretty messy. We need 4-5 top signings and being suitable if Jose isn't going to change how we play.


11.) 03 Feb 2017 19:52:59
Beast would it be possible for you to produce a squad list that you would expect us to have as our current one is so clearly lacking (please be some what realistic)


12.) 03 Feb 2017 20:02:51
Martial was miserable and moody last year but he was playing well so we just accepted it. Now his form has dropped its become a big issue. Only those inside the club know how big an attitude he has but you're either a team player or you're not. If he is let's keep him, if not let's sell him.


13.) 03 Feb 2017 20:28:03
Coleman RB, Rose LB, Vidal CM, Griezzman 2nd striker, wingers are tricky, but I would push Valencia up and give Martial/ Miki a chance to shine with better players on the left or right, they can tuck in well and support the strikers with full backs flying forward. I'd stick with Ibra with 4-4-2. Then hunt for wingers in the next window if necessary.

Those are 4 key signings in the summer I'd make, £175m-£200m. Let go of Mata, Darmian, Shaw, Fellaini, Lingard, Rooney - probably recoup £80-£100m from those, wages would even themselves out roughly.


14.) 03 Feb 2017 20:52:30
Beast, the change from Sir Alex was always going to be tricky, watch Arsenal struggle when Wenger moves on.

You can't have 27 years of one manager and expect a smooth transistion.

Personally I feel a squad is made up of many different players of different levels of talent, fight and personality.

The kind of player you seem to want is a Roy Keane type fighter, but a squad of 25 Keanes would tear itself apart.

Even the most successful squads have bit part players, guys who might not have the same quality as the others but offer something different.

I think on the whole our squad is pretty decent. We are still three or four players away from having a first team capable of functioning as fluidly as Mourinho would like.

I feel the real issue with our team is still the balance at the back. I think we lack real quality full backs, I inclued Valencia and Shaw in that. Shaw has potential, but bar a handful of games at the start of last season we haven't seen him come close to reaching it. Valencia has been a stand out performer this season, but is 31 years old and still his delivery from the flank is erractic and he still gets caught out defensively at times.

I feel the other areas we stuggle is top class holding midfielder, Carrick is well into his twilight years and can't cover as much ground as he used to, and still for me hasn't shaken off the safety first passing of the LvG era. I also feel we need a long term partner for Bailly, someone who can play the ball out of defence quickly and accurately.

I think we are well covered in the goalkeeping department.

I think Blind, Smalling, Jones and Rojo are decent squad defenders. Tuanzebe, TFM and CBJ offer hope for the future.

I think we need a true defensive midfielder, but beyond that Pogba, Herrera, Blind and Fellaini offer good options. Carrick and Schweinsteiger offer experience, and I like the look of both TFM and Andreas Pereira as young options coming though. Its a good balance.

I think for the most part our forward options look very good. In the long term we will need a replacement for Rooney/ Ibrahimovic as a central striking option. And depending on the development of Martial, Rashford and Lingard maybe another option, possibly someone more like a true wide man rather than a striker playing wide or a No.10 shunted out wide.

We have a lot of very good young players, Bailly, Shaw, Tuanzebe, TFM, Pereira, Lingard, Martial and Rashford.
We need to see how these players develop before we can right any of them off.

I don't think the squad is that far off a really top one to be honest.


15.) 03 Feb 2017 21:22:59
Agree with a lot of that mate. Trouble is we aren't playing to the strengths of our squad and we have too many squad players, or players that put in a lot of 6/ 7 out 10 performances but not too many regularly putting in the 8/ 9 out of 10's.

We have a lot of passengers, waiting for somebody to do something, too happy to leave it to the next guy and do the easy thing. Ironically the two magical players we signed are the biggest passengers of the bunch. We need 2 or 3 players with that drive an urgency, that will encourage the rest of the team to work, run off the ball, not always think safety first.

We aren't far away, but 4-5-1 is a bad formation because it's a balancer, teams like Hull, Stoke can match up and it's hard to break them down. 4-4-2, will mean it upsets those teams, opens us up but means they have to attack and that leaves space.

We need to be a bit cleverer and a bit more energetic. But we need to replace some of those squad players with top class players in their position, too many average players.


16.) 03 Feb 2017 21:37:02
I think our forward line is one of our biggest issues they can't score and struggle to hold onto the ball or be the first line of defence. Just way too many slow old average players. We lack real quality throughout the team. If we all picked our favourite team from Europe assuming we were still in it we wouldn't have a player in it. ( maybe a keeper) That's criminal for the richest club on the planet.


17.) 04 Feb 2017 12:36:29
We don't need to raise funds. That's Woodys job an he's good at it.

Young, Rooney, Darmian, rojo could all be off come summer. Bastian probably as well.

If Griezmann comes in he'd be first choice with zlatan maybe taking a back seat.


18.) 06 Feb 2017 20:08:45
Agree with a lot of that and players are only running on 6/ 10 apart from bailly, Herrera, Jones, Miki and rojo which you lot want axed? Is he not good to have as cover?

We need a vote here too see how many believe griezmann will make it at UTD and not turn into another Forlan.

AG fits well into the way AM play. We do not play like AM and I think it will take AG a season to play well.


19.) 08 Feb 2017 19:20:01
AG is probably one of the only players in world football who can hold a candle to Messi and ronaldo.

I am quite sure he would be able to fit into any team, he is that good.


 

 

26 May 2016 10:33:08
I hope there is some substance in this Manolas rumour. For me he is probably about the best option open to us. Strong, quick, great in the air, excellent reader of the game. A no nonsense type defender but one with good technique and a communicator and leader at the back.

He is the kind of centre back we can pair with anyone and he'll work well with them.

I'd still want to see someone else come in, Varane, Marquinhos, Stones or Bartra would work well with Manolas.

In fact for someone like Stones who has a mistake in him, and who needs to improve the defensive side of his game having a player such as Manolas alongside him and Mourinho on the touchline could be the making of him. I've been wary of Stones as I don't think he would improve our defence atm, but if he was brought in alongside Manolas then it could work well.

Shappy

1.) 26 May 2016 12:15:01
Two CBs are a priority. Signing just one would leave us at risk. I really rate Varane but to sign an English player in Stones is very tempting.

Although if Roshaun Williams and Tuazenbe get promoted and play some games this season that would be an added bonus.


2.) 26 May 2016 12:34:52
I think TFM could also be played at CB under Mourinho. I'd be quite happy to sign Manolas and Bartra a could of lads in their mid twenties to leave space for the likes of TFM, Williams and Tuazenbe to fullfil the roles of talented young players.

I wouldn't be gutted if we signed Stones or Marquinhos, but given their ages it would make it far more difficult for the young CB's coming through as players like Stones or Marqunihos are only a couple of years older than them.


3.) 26 May 2016 12:47:31
For manolas just read otamendi.


4.) 26 May 2016 13:27:27
Agree Manolas is one of the best options available. Mainly because he's one of the only options who compliments what we currently have. His qualities blend well with Smalling's. Shaw, Manolas, Smalling and hopefully a rejuvenated Darmian has the making of a top back line. But agree that an extra centre back would be even better.


 

 

11 Sep 2015 14:12:13
I think people get too hung up over player contracts.

Yes it is excellent news that DDG has signed a new deal, why? Because it now means he will probably play most of our games this season, and with him being one of if not the best keeper in the world atm it certainly makes our team stronger.

The length of a players contract has very little baring on how long a player will stay at a club. Think of it like this 90% of player moves involve a player who is under contract, only around 10% of players see out the full duration of their contracts.

DDG may leave next summer or the summer after that or the one after that. Only two things are certain.
One he will leave at some point, be it either in his prime, the twilight of his career or through retirement.
And two him having a deal with the club means he will be available to play for thr club this season.
Beyond that who knows. Ultimately when he leaves we will look for a replacement. And hopefully it will he someone as good or even better than him.

And for those who say it was all about the money? Probably, isn't the money one of the biggest factors in your career?

But on a serious note, I think he is happy in Manchester, but has a girlfriend who would benefit from having her more famous boyfriend with her on social events in Spain, and an agent who wants to make money.

As it stands he will earn more money and based on his performances he probably deserves it, and he will probably stay at the club for a few more years.

Now let's just sit back and appreciate the fact we have one of the best keepers in the world playing for us. let's enjoy it.

Shappy

1.) 11 Sep 2015 14:28:55
i don't buy in to all the family stuff i just think like a lot of players he wanted to play for madrid.
that looks to be of the cards so he has took the cash and stopped at united.

great news for us


2.) 11 Sep 2015 15:28:47
Jred, from what I heard his family thought it better he stay in Manchester considering the circus that goes on in Madrid.
I think it was his girlfriend and maybe his agent who seemed most keen on his moving to Madrid.

I also think Madrid have been trying everything they can to clear themselves from any blame over the collapse of his move so as to make sure they didn't burn any bridges knowing that it was possible he would sign a new deal. I expect now he has signed a new deal Madrid will become very quiet over his non move.


3.) 11 Sep 2015 18:44:10
Well done Shappy, couldn't agree more (other than the bit about deserving the money. No one deserves that amount of money, especially for playing a game. It's not exactly saving lives or advancing humanity. )

But yes you're right, let's enjoy that he's staying and accept that he will probably be gone in the next season or two. Wise words mate.


4.) 11 Sep 2015 20:18:05
Have to disagree with ihatefootball's opinion on players deserving the amount of money they get paid. When you look at the massive amounts the teams are earning through apparel and jersey sales, ticket sales, concessions, Champions League- the players deserve every penny they can get. Nobody pays to watch us kick about on the weekends. They pay to watch the best players in the world at their jobs.

When you hear about players like Messi paying a sick childs medical bills how can you find a complaint with how much they earn?

{Ed007's Note - Aye, it's not every sick kid that can get a football club to pay for private 'treatments'.}


5.) 11 Sep 2015 22:28:03
Maybe I am attributing ill motives to RM, but it seemed to me that their tactic was to maximise the chance that they could sign de Gea for free in 2016. They have failed. I congratulate the powers that be in Utd for standing firm.
So, what abut Monaco? I have yet to see any report that the total fee for Martial is not extortionate. They will need a replacement. Why not make sure that the price that they pay is also excessive? When they identify the replacement, put in a higher bid , but graciously allow them to better it (or not). Make good use of Utd's financial muscle.
Red Setter


6.) 11 Sep 2015 23:01:45
I'm sorry??? You what??? You agree that players should get paid £200,000 a week for kicking a ball around some grass? Best at their job in the world maybe but at kicking a ball round a field. It is DISGUSTING the amount of money they are paid. Can you not put it into perspective? Get a grip!

{Ed007's Note - You can't blame the players, what do you expect them to say? 'Here never mind that £100k a week plus appearance money, goal scoring bonus and image rights, give me £2k a week and a leased Ford Focus?'
Blame Sly TV for the mess football is in, we expect the players to work as hard as some guy sitting welding all day and putting a hard shift in, why shouldn't they do what the welder does and weld where he gets paid the most.
I really can't lay the blame at the crazy wages going around on players, it's the people providing the money and the people distributing it that need to look at it.
Years ago the clubs held all the power but now it's swung to the players calling the shots, what we need to find is a happy medium but sadly I think it's went too far now and that's never going to happen.
For anyone over 30, football is never going to be the same or as enjoyable ever again for us, and that breaks my heart.}


7.) 12 Sep 2015 06:17:47
Ihatefootball- i do understand your point. If you think of it in its basic terms as just a game with grown men out in a field kicking a ball then it's absolutely rediculous. The reality is football is a business and they are the star attractions in an industry that generates billions.

In any business you have to spend in order to have a competitive advantage over your competition and I'm proud to support the club and am thrilled they are investing back in the team to buy or keep some of the worlds best players. Without De Gea we probably wouldn't be in the Champions League which is worth millions to the club.

Ed007 I'd love to find a happy medium, but as long as club profits continue to raise then I'd imagine player wages will as well.

{Ed002's Note - There are constraints within FFP in respect of the wages.}


8.) 12 Sep 2015 08:59:34
Rumours in Spain that there is a release clause for 50 million in the contract.


9.) 15 Sep 2015 12:57:49
He signed a contract out of respect but there will be a clause in the contract that if real madrid put in such an such amount then he goes. let's not get hard ons over it


 

 

 

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13 Aug 2018 22:29:46
VDS one of the names rumoured to be on our shortlist for director of football role.

What does everyone think not VDS as DoF?

Shappy

1.) 13 Aug 2018 22:47:02
He will be a good apppointment.


2.) 14 Aug 2018 07:36:24
Hopefully all applicants will have a clear defined idea of a pattern of play and therefore aim for a manager and players to suit. It seems opportune that after a poor transfer we now seem to be looking for a DoF, perhaps it was deliberate so the new appointee has money to work with. The cynic in me wonders if the new DoF sacks Mourinho then it excuses Woodward a bit, new direction and ideas not that Woodward made any error.

As to the who, the board should have definitions of what their strategic aim is (other than commercial) and it should define the appointment. VDS affiliation with Ajax is known, LvG didn’t work so is Ajax style what VDS wants and if so does that match with the board. Or do we want someone with continental knowhow and bring something new?


3.) 14 Aug 2018 07:55:34
VDS is well respected in the football world and it will be his character and conviction that will secure the deals.
RedMan, i think he will be intelligent enough to pick players who can fit in any system. I think good players can play in any system and develop their games to suit the system.
With Mourinho, we do not have a clear system, the players look confused most of the time.
VDS will be a fantastic choice. The only other person that i thought might be looked at is Xavi. He's never played in our league, but he has always followed it closely and seems very knowledgeable. He is also very well respected throughout the football world and is in touch with the Spanish and South American market.


4.) 14 Aug 2018 08:09:28
There’s only one man for the job - LVG.

{Ed0333's Note - you shouldn’t mess with the supernatural mate.


5.) 14 Aug 2018 09:50:02
VDS for DOF would be VG but LVG would make me SMH and say .


6.) 14 Aug 2018 09:42:45
Imagine that Tony LVG and jose beasts head would explode.


7.) 14 Aug 2018 10:51:06
Looking at what he has done since he finished playing I think VDS could potentially be a good appointment. Brought up in the Ajax way of playing and an ex great of the club. I think he would bring back an identity that has been missing and would ensure that all Manager/ Coach appointments fit that model. Could do worse.


8.) 14 Aug 2018 11:18:39
I know its pointless just picking names out of thin air, but there is one person that I personally think would be worth consideration. Huge experience in the game, a wealth of knowledge and very well respected. Also has in depth knowledge of Manchester United and English football.
Carlos Queiroz.

{Ed002's Note - He has zero relevant experience in such a role and has never been involved in dealing with the main players in club football. It would be another terrible mistake to go down that road.}


9.) 14 Aug 2018 11:28:22
Got to be Gary Neville for me.


10.) 14 Aug 2018 11:56:24
I like the one dear of a former player in that role, someone who knows the club inside out. However, they must have the relevant business acumen, and ideally the right contacts.

VDS or Gary Neville could therefore be good candidates.

On the other side it might be better to get someone with the relevant experience in such a role to start with. Someone who know how the role works making the transition from our current setup to the new one much more smoother. Then down the line look to someone like Gary Neville or VDS.


11.) 14 Aug 2018 12:47:25
I saw the name Monchi mentioned but have not had time to look him up.


12.) 14 Aug 2018 14:57:55
Monchi has only been at Roma for about a year. Credited a lot for the success at Sevilla.
Van der Saar is an interesting choice. He knows United well and seems to be just as competent behind the scenes as he was between the posts.
Would the remit of the DoF role at United involve much involvement with youth development and set up or will
it be more working with the board and transfer strategy based and taking a bit of pressure of Mourinho? Is there a possibility that the board envisage Mourinho leaving and want someone in place to run things while a manager is found? Does the board actually want that and are they trying to engineer that scenario? Is Mourinho open to the idea of a DoF or does he feel it undermines him? Either way, it does seem to be the way forward, if the right person is found. So not Quieroz for me, he falls out with everyone and not very diplomatic. Him and Mourinho would be very dour football.


13.) 14 Aug 2018 19:05:47
The lads suggesting Gary Neville, do you mind asking, what makes you think he’d be good in the role?


14.) 14 Aug 2018 21:11:03
Top football knowledge, probably good contacts, and appears to have a bit of business acumen. Intimate knowledge of the club as well.


15.) 15 Aug 2018 09:14:52
VDS or Brian McClair. Not Gary Neville he couldn't Manage so why even consider him for a more executive role 😆😆.


16.) 15 Aug 2018 10:32:18
What's managing got to do with it? None of the top DOF's seem to have been managers. Or successful ones anyway.


17.) 14 Aug 2018 08:50:44
Itsh the piloshophy Ed, enjoy a red wine and a mince pie while the fence are singing Lois Van Gaal army, Lois Van Gaal army,

{Ed0333's Note - I really can’t see LVG returning to United in any capacity he’s still incredibly bitter in the way he was sacked. Maybe he’d come back as an arsonist?


 

 

10 Aug 2018 19:24:38
I posted the other day that I have been struggling to feel excited about United in recent months.

However, I must say as I sit awaiting the first game of the season I am feeling a little excited in spite of my belief that it will all come crashing down this season.

Maybe Jose will stumble upon a winning formula, maybe Pogba will be the player we know he can be, maybe the club I love will return to its former glory.

It appears in spite of logic hope is winning me over. Please Jose don't kill that hope tonight.

Shappy

1.) 10 Aug 2018 19:37:33
I'm with you Shappy, let's pull together and do our part in making this a successful season. Pogba captain today, Shaw starting, Bailey and Lindelof CB pairing. Lots that make the start of season positive.
I'm even putting £10 on 3-1.


2.) 10 Aug 2018 19:38:48
I can't wait we have a great set of players, get them playing well could be a very good season.


3.) 10 Aug 2018 19:43:51
Same here mate. Despite the justifiable gloom, first game of the season even makes Beasts mood bloom. Nothing like it.

Interesting with Pogba as captain and nice to see Pereira and Shaw playing. Come on Utd.


4.) 10 Aug 2018 19:52:23
It will be a very entertqining game today with Sanchez and Rashford to score.


5.) 10 Aug 2018 19:54:53
Shappy your a gas man.
Yeah hope is ertenal. I think he can squeeze an ectra 5 ooints out of the team this season. Will it be enough? Only time will tell.
carra and nev talking a lot of sense as usual.


 

 

09 Aug 2018 14:23:39
This place has been very doom and gloom over the past 6-8 weeks. It has caused a very clear split. Now maybe those dissenting voices are the loudest and those contented people less vocal. However, there does appear to be more people unhappy than happy with our club atm.

Now on the surface there is little to be unhappy about, especially when we compare our situation with that of the majority of clubs. We spend big sums on some of the best players in the world, we don't finish outside of European qualifying positions in the league, and last season we finished second.

However, there is still a feeling of unease for many people. So where does that sense of discontentment come from?

Are our fans just spoiled? Too much of a good thing under Sir Alex has created a high level of expectation.

Maybe it was Sir Alex who was extraordinary and not the club. Maybe we were a decent club with a phenomenal manager lifting us beyond ourselves and now he has gone we can see ourselves in the cold light of day. Like the guy waking up with the worst hangover and looking in the mirror unable to recognise that awesome guy from last night.

I don't quite believe that, we had success before Sir Alex, and since he has left we have maintained a position as one of the wealthiest and most powerful clubs in world football.

However, we seem directionless, drifting with no real intent. The owners have their part to play. How them bought the club left a bitter taste in many a fans mouth. It probably stopped us from competing at a European level due to financial restrictions when the side was arguably approaching our peak, and it certainly restricted the rebuild of the 08-10 side that did so well in Europe. Great players allowed to leave and few great players coming in to replace them. No value in the market we were told, yet since then we have signed players like Shaw, Herrera, Mata, Di Maria, Bailly, Lindelof, Pogba, Matic, Lukaku and now Fred for fees in excess of 30m. A couple three times that 30m figure.
When "no value" was trotted out, what they meant was the clubs debts were too demanding to make such figures available for investment.

This caused a level of stagnation within the squad which has taken serious investment to clear out and replace.

This though, is in the past. The owners have shown intent to invest (albeit money the club has made itself) on players.

For me though, the biggest blessing with the owners is also the biggest problem. They allow the club to run itself, they do not interfere with footballing matters. Which we have seen from many owners is destabilising and damaging. However, this is also a serious problem as it leaves it very ambiguous about who is directing the club and in which direction. Woodward isn't a football man, he has learned quickly and done his best. Yet, he still lacks the contacts and know-how of the inner workings of the game.

This is why I am a big advocate of having a director of football, someone to build for the future of the club with a vision in mind and a level of continuity that gives a stable platform for growth. Someone who knows what the clubs footballing profile is, and who can match that profile with the kind of manager that is in touch with our footballing philosophy.

That brings be back to why so many of us have a feeling of dread this summer. Nearly everyone on this site was in agreement that last season we lacked quality in the full back positions, stability in central defence, someone to link midfield with the forward line while we also lacked creativity on the right hand side. So most thought we needed a LB, RB, CB, CM and RW. Jose himself has spoken about wanting five players.
So far the club has signed two of the five most think we could do with.
I don't think it is this in itself that makes people concerned, I think for most this is a sign that something isn't quite right behind the scenes. Jose has been very vocal in the media and he hasn't been positive at all. Whether he is trying to pressure the club to get the players he wants, or whether he is trying to engineer a way out of the club, or whether he is trying to create an us Vs the world mentality or just unhappy with life. It is not a good sign.

We have players who are reportedly unhappy, a manager who is reportedly unhappy and a board who don't seem to want to spend on Jose's targets for whatever reason.

All of this points to a tense and unstable landscape behind the scenes.

My interpretation is that the board aren't as confident in Jose as they were last summer, they don't seems to want to back him and Jose is kicking up his usual stink. This will only end one way. Either Jose will force our side (flaws in all) to win the league next season or it will all implode. Looking at the personalities within our dressing room I feel imploding a far more likely outcome. Especially if we don't see the unhappy players leave this summer.

It's a shame, I am normally one of the happy, optimistic posters. I have much to be happy about outside of football, with buying a house, getting married and starting University all happening or have happened over the next couple of months. Yet, I can't help but feel the unease at our club. And try as I might, I can't see a happy ending to the Jose saga this season.

Shappy

1.) 09 Aug 2018 15:00:19
Couldn't have said it better myself shappy, great post.
We are a directionless club at the minute, with absentee owners and a chief exec who is not a football man. I know a lot don't like Jose, I didn't agree with him becoming manager of our club either but I fear that the same outcome may occur no matter who the manager, that being said the football may be better.
I cannot see any alternative to save (please don't pick up on just this word SAVE as I know we finished 2nd and got 80 pts last season but I feel there is something not right) our great club, other than to inplement a DOF type model.

I also just read something this morning showing how Liverpools transfer activity this summer has been a plan 4 years in the making. I wish I was reading these kind of stories about our great club.

Either way I will support this club until the day I die. GGMU!


2.) 09 Aug 2018 16:29:54
Top post Shappy.


3.) 09 Aug 2018 16:20:39
Excellent post Shappy. It is the way i feel at present too. I know some people think we are spoilt due to Fergie era, but I've been watching United when we were good in late 60s, then in early 70s when we weren't very good, then the gradual up and downs in 80s before Fergie came. But this is the first time i have felt no excitement at the season starting.
I think the general mood of the manager, and the lack of enthusiasm from our owners, is putting a dampner on things. I can't see light at the end of this tunnel, and i think a big shake up is required, and i mean in the shape of new owners with different ambitions for the football side of the club. Only then we will start to get back on track.


4.) 09 Aug 2018 16:49:53
What did we win in the 5 year before fergy?
How long did we go with out winni g the league?
People starting to see that we have no god given right to win things, that it's not as simple as they though ( ask any Scouser) .
Fergy was the difference.


 

 

03 Aug 2018 08:13:17
I'm surprised about the negativity around the potential signing of Yerry Mina.

I'll start by saying he isn't the centre back I would sign. However, he is an ideal player for the system Jose likes to play. He is dominant in the air in both boxes. Strong in the tackle, a defensive wall. He isn't phenomenal at playing the ball out from the back, but he isn't awful either.

A lot of the stick seems to come from the idea that he hasn't succeed or played much at Barcelona. In that respect you have to understand the regulations in la Liga. Spanish top flight teams can only have 3 "non EU" players registered in their squad. Last season this was Coutinho, Mina and Paulinho. Messi has taken duel citizenship due to the period of time he has lived in Spain (needs to be at least 5 years) . Suarez has duel Italian citizenship though his Italian wife. The signing of Arthur put Barcelona over their limit, until Paulinho was sold.

So as it stands, Coutinho, Arthur and Mina are Barcelona's three non-EU players. However, they would like to sign Vidal, so another must leave.

There are regulations about how many non-Spanish players you can have on the field at anyone time as well. This further limits the amount of game time a non-Spanish non-EU player can get when attempting to break into a Spanish club sides first team.

Also just because a player doesn't suit one team or one league that doesn't mean they won't suit a different team or different league.
Several pundits have claimed Mina looks suited to the EPL, and in any ways I agree with them. He has quick feet, reacts wells, and is a colossus at both ends of the pitch. He has 6 goals in 15 international games as a CB.

That ability in both boxes will suit Mourinho's style.

With both Smalling and Rojo looking likely to leave bringing a new CB is obviously an area of need.

Alderweireld is clearly everyone's first choice. However, I can understand the clubs reluctance to spend 75m on a 29 year old who'll be available for 25m next summer. Is he that good that he's worth 50m for one season?

So I can see why the club would explore other options.

Is Mina the best option, I'm not sure. But if he is to join maybe it's best to wait and see how he performs for us before we go writing him off. Remember how many people scoffed at Barcelona signing Paulinho last summer. Yet he has one of their best players last season. Let's give any new lads a chance before we write them off.

Shappy

1.) 03 Aug 2018 08:29:28
I'm with you on this Shappy!


2.) 03 Aug 2018 08:34:22
He can't defend, that isn't writing him off it is just a fact.


3.) 03 Aug 2018 08:39:32
Waiting to see how they perform before writing them off seems like a novel idea Shappy 😉.


4.) 03 Aug 2018 08:57:52
Totally agree all round Snappy.


5.) 03 Aug 2018 09:22:43
I agree with most of that shappy. The difficulty i have with it is that would make 3 signings grant excluded that have no epl or top level experience and that's high risk if they take time to adjust which they will.
None are top level proven on a consistent basis. We have 2 23yo cb's already with great potential. They need an old head beside them imo.


6.) 03 Aug 2018 09:29:23
Didn’t realise that La Liga had limits on the number of non Spanish players in the side.

Wish we had clear criteria in England in this issue to protect our players a bit more.

{Ed002's Note - It is not non Spanish players.}


7.) 03 Aug 2018 09:46:38
I didn't think he was great at defending Shappy. He's tall a d strong and that immediately puts him in Mourinho's good books.
I thought he gave away a lot of fouls during the WC and together with the rest of the Colombian team, was playing rugby style football more akin to the 3rd division.


8.) 03 Aug 2018 09:49:51
Mina is a gamble imo but that's football and most signings are .
Look at pogba huge talent huge price tag after 2 seasons the manager wants shot?
A lot of people thought pogba would be the missing part of the jigsaw, seems the jigsaw is getting bigger .

Biggest question for me is can we get the best out of the players we have? If we can we are in for an entertaing season.


9.) 03 Aug 2018 09:55:50
Being negative about a potential signing isn't the same as writing off a new signing. He hasn't signed for us yet and I hope he doesn't. But if he does, I'll keep an open mind, support the player and hope he proves my initial thoughts wrong.


10.) 03 Aug 2018 10:01:13
I don't know a lot about him either but I wouldn't be surprised if UTD don't go back in for TOBY in January anyway.

One frightening development in last 24 hours concerning incoming players the 2 words no football fan wants to hear . Jerome Boateng! However good or mad Mina is the one thing in his favour is he can't be as bad as Boateng . can he?


11.) 03 Aug 2018 10:17:44
Well I gave them the two primary targets, that they couldn't sign. Insisted on another one so I gave them Mina. No worries I don't plan to play him I will use Matic as CB. So it doesn matter if he is good or not.


12.) 03 Aug 2018 10:22:26
I understand your point Shappy but this deal makes absolutely no sense to me.

World Cup aside he hasn't played much football recently, I think he only started about 6 games for Barcelona by all accounts. He's relatively inexperienced so the thought that he'll hit the ground running and become the bedrock of our defence is fanciful at best. Coming to a new country, joining a new club without any pre season preparation, playing in a different league he's bound to need time to settle and acclimatise. It's taken Lindelof over 12 months and he's still no nearer cementing his place in the first team.

Forgive my figures but I think Barcelona paid around £10m for him last year. They are now asking over £30m for a player they've hardly played and are desperate to off load.

We already have decent options at CB. What we really need is a first choice player that will improve our team immediately, hit the ground running and become the linchpin and leader of our defence. (That is if we're serious about challenging for the league in the immediate future) .

Mina in time may prove to be a very shrewd signing but he's a big risk and not for the here and now. We'd be much better offloading Darmian, Rojo even Smalling or Jones and using the money to offset Alderweireld.

We're just as likely to end up with a £30m flop, probably on massive wages that we can't move on rather than finding the rock of our defence. It's a risk not worth taking in my opinion and I'd much rather see Jose pair Bailly with Lindelof if we can't get our first choice. It smacks of desperation to me. In any case if Jose wants to play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 I think a RW is much more important for the balance of the side.


13.) 03 Aug 2018 11:15:27
I get what a lot of people are saying, he wouldn't be a player I would look to bring in either.

I just think it's ridiculous on here at this time of year. One minute everyone is crying over no signings being made, sreaming that we should have made signings already and we should have back up choices if our first choices don't work out, and we can't expect Mourinho to succeed without new players.

Then those same people kick up a fuss when we likely to sigh a player as it's not the one they wanted.

Wake up people you support a football club, and you have no say over who that club signs. You can write to Santa and give him your wish list, but it's Ex Woodward, Jose Mourinho and the United board who decided on who we sign.

It's fine having an opinion on a player, I agree with many of the well put points about Mina. Yes it will likely take time for him to settle, yes it is experience we are missing more than anything, and from what I have seen he doesn't look like the ball playing defender many of us want or feel we need.

However, I disagree when people say he can't defend. Based on what? You might have only seen him in 2-3 games maximum. No one can make that sort of sweeping statement and be accurate on such a small sample.

He has qualities that suit Jose Mourinho and his style of play. We don't concede many goals from open play. There are several reasons for this such as sitting deep and in numbers providing little space for the opposition. Where we did concede was at set plays, which is one of the reasons Smalling was picked so often.

Mina is a beast in the air, and would go some way to solving one of the key defensive weaknesses we had last season. It might not be what you want to see, but I have repeatedly told you Jose won't change his style and will look to improve the implementation of his style rather than change it.

If you don't like this kind of signing then you don't like Jose football, which is fine. I don't like his style of play and would hope to see a more expansive style with centre backs who are more comfortable on the ball. We won't see that under Jose though. So you'll just have to be happy with the signings that work for Jose football.


14.) 03 Aug 2018 11:15:50
Agreed Dlib. Also Alderweild or McGuire for me. I think Barcelona are pulling a fast one, i was not impressed with him at all.
As the posters say, we need a player that knows the league and is used to the surroundings and lifestyle. Both Alderweild and McGuire fit the bill perfectly. We just need to get rid of Rojo and one between Smalling and jones.


15.) 03 Aug 2018 11:28:28
People are saying he can’t defend but on what basis? I know I certainly haven’t seen him play much football, but Barcelona are a damn good team. Maybe that’s why he’s not playing or he’s a defender who doesn’t suit their style. Vidic wouldn’t have suited playing for them.
How do we know he wasn’t looked at before Barcelona signed him.


16.) 03 Aug 2018 11:33:42
He is highly rated and i would certainly sign him above Maguire but if we have a chance of Toby then he should be the one we should go after.

I also think Lindelof and Bailly will be our firsr choice cb this year.

{Ed004's Note - I was against it at the start but after watching the formation in pre-season I think Willian and Alderwerield could transform us. Would be massive upgrades}


17.) 03 Aug 2018 11:54:20
Fully agree AAA.

Shappy - Your right mate I think Mina is more of a Jose type defender and I don't buy into the idea that just because a player doesn't make it at one Club they can't be a success elsewhere. you've emphasised the positives, I've just highlighted the negative's which in my opinion outweigh the positives. you've already said that you wouldn't sign him yourself, just giving your opinion on why he might be a target which I fully agree with. Great debate anyway!


18.) 03 Aug 2018 11:53:04
Not seen that much of him but played with a lot of heart at the World Cup. Looked a warrior against England. Let's hope he can settle in and adjust to the culture, if he's signed of course.


19.) 03 Aug 2018 13:18:26
As shaps say fans have no choice who we buy so just sit back and enjoy .


20.) 03 Aug 2018 13:58:49
I agree with u ed, Toby is needed and definitely need a right winger if we are going to be keeping Valencia as our first choice right back and Dalot is very young .


21.) 03 Aug 2018 14:17:33
What if we got both him and Toby? Unlikely but who knows.


 

 

24 Jul 2018 06:45:35
Ed002, could you shed any light on why Javier Ribalta has left the club? Cheers.

Shappy

{Ed002's Note - It is to do with people being transient - a year or so ago he left Juventus and now he is stepping up - Manchester |United could not get the Director of Football they wanted and went down the head scout route - Zenit have given him the opportunity to progress. It is no big deal.}


 

 

 

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19 Aug 2018 08:19:30
Or dropped, he was poor last week against Leicester.

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15 Aug 2018 10:13:01
Given Mourinho's record it is highly probable that we will need a new manager come next summer.

Merely speculating whether people would want Zidane, a manager who has won three UCL titles back to back. If not then who do they want it/ when Jose leaves.

Shappy

 

 

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15 Aug 2018 07:30:56
He wouldn't be my first choice, or even in my top three. Jardim, Marcelino and Eddie Howe would be the top three I would consider. Giovanni van Bronckhorst would be another to keep a close eye on.

Of course having the correct DoF would be needed if we were to go for one of these kinds of managers.

Shappy

 

 

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08 Aug 2018 21:16:42
Better than Maguire.

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08 Aug 2018 13:53:53
The club has been backed into a corner. We have a player who we have tried to sell all summer, a player who doesn't want to be at our club anymore.

Yet no one has bid until now, so we are left with 36 hours before the transfer window closes. And we are to sort out a massive deal for a player leaving the club while also finding a replacement. We have to do this while everyone side outside of EPL has no time pressure as they still have weeks to go before their deadline.

Combine this with another 2-3 players who are unhappy and want to leave, plus the need to sign at least a couple more without replacing any potential exits leaves us with a mountain to climb or face being left in a bit of a mess.

Now for once I do feel a little sympathy for Jose, he clearly wanted more done and soon so the players could bed in.
However, the fact both Pogba and Martial two of our few potential world class players wants to leave are in a large part down to him and his handling of them.

So he certainly hasn't helped himself. I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but publicly he has been picking fights with everyone, including players like Valencia who he has recently made captain. This surely can't be helping to create a good working environment.

Currently we have 3-5 players who want to leave the club, rats leaving a sinking ship comes to mind.

This pre-season has been very similar to the one before Jose's Chelsea meltdown.

Preseason has felt aimless like a boat without a rudder just drifting, at the mercy of the tides.

A captain who cared about the ship would be doing all he can to fix the rudder and give the boat a sense of direction. However, Jose just seems intent on smashing up the life rafts and blaming everyone else.

This season will end in heartbreak for many United fans. When it does it is vital that we don't start in fighting and blaming either the "Jose in" or the "Jose out" fans and we get behind the new manager. The club needs a man in our clubs own image. Someone who knows what it is to represent our club, someone who knows what it mean to our fans and who knows what is expected of them. First comes youth and offensive football, then comes winning titles. You build from the bottom not the top.

Shappy

 

 

 

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19 Aug 2018 22:16:09
This is what Jose has turned out club into, pity and shows of support from the Scousers.

Clearly shows they no we aren't in competition against them.

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20 Aug 2018 06:27:38
Everyone signs players and most of the top sides have spent a significant amount of money on recruitment.

However, it is impossible to say a side has bought the league unless they win it.

Over the last 20 years ourselves, Liverpool, City and Chelsea have spent a huge amount. Only three of those sides have bought the league though.

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19 Aug 2018 07:57:18
I enjoyed Jose's recent comments, I wish he was up beat and playful more often. Like it or not when your the manager of Manchester United your words carry greater significance than the managers of other clubs.

It can change the mood around the club. That's the power of the managers words. The United manger must choose his words and how he delivers them carefully.

I'm still a skeptic of the Jose/ United marriage of convenience, and feel it will end badly. However, I feel happier and more up beat hearing Jose's recent comments rather than his tour comments.

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17 Aug 2018 22:32:47
Singh, I'd love to know how old you are. Did you see Scholes in his prime between 99-09? He was phenomenal.

I agree that not all players should hold a special place in the hearts of fans.

Scholes however, is one of them. He grew up as part of the club from a young age. He sacked his agent when Inter Milan made an approach stating he didn't need an agent as he has no intention on leaving unless the club wanted him gone. He came out of retirement to help the club having played for the club for over 20 years. He is every bit a club legend.

I think it's a poor show to slag him off as bitter just because you don't agree with the opinion he has every right to.

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17 Aug 2018 21:27:52
Shan and Ken, I agree Jose as manager has done more for our club than I have as a fan.

I have huge respect for Jose, I actually think he is a great manager. However, I don't think he is a great fit for our club.

Our clubs history, style and traditions are the polar opposite of Jose's. The only thing they have in common is they are winners.

That is where I fundamentally disagree with the appointment of Jose, I am not prepared to whore off our traditions and identity in order to win. If you are then fine. That's you. I don't see a point in winning unless we win the "United" way.

I don't slag off Jose's ability to get a result, I just fundamentally disagree with playing football that way. I'm a purist, Jose's a pragmatist. We're not going to see eye to eye.

Everyone is untitled to a point of view. I just think it's a sad state of affairs to slag off a player who played for our club for 20 years, who came out of retirement when we needed him just because we don't agree with his point of view.

Shappy