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01 Nov 2018 21:36:19
Teams for the Matt Hawker Charity Cup 2019 - brought to you by Boyne Valley
15th June 2019

Ed001's - Lee's United

( C ) Ken
Benny Baller
John From Wigan
Magic Marl
Red Reaper
Saints-fan (GK)

Ed002's - Frunobulax Rovers
( C ) Koppite_68
Red Rout
Grandmaster Ramrod (GK)
Mermaid Megger
MK scouser

Big thanks to 077 for setting up the live chat, and to 001 and 002 for giving their time, and once again, supporting the football-rumours charity match, in aid of Macmillan Nurses and Seva Foundation.

Would love an attendance from fellow posters. I know most of use will be going out for some bevvies after. So well worth the trip guys.


1.) 02 Nov 2018 15:05:33
Don't worry Shaps, I got your back.

2.) 02 Nov 2018 16:43:52
And watch yours james😁.

{Ed002's Note - I'll have a large gin and tonic please.}

3.) 02 Nov 2018 17:28:15
I think there might be more United fans on our team. So I guess the site will have to be on our side. lol.



17 Jul 2018 11:05:15
169 Goals at this years World Cup. Which means I'd like to invite.
Salah - 167
Jamesmack8 - 165
Red Reaper - 162
Laney - 160

To play in the 2019 Matt Hawker charity game.
Thanks to everyone who had a guess, and any drop outs I'll contact the next closest.

Next phase will be when Ed001 and 002 pick their two tribes to go to war.
We did a live chat where they took turns picking last year, I think we did it around November? So let's aim for then :)

Posted on behalf of Benny Baller.


{Ed002's Note - I'll get on to the kits then.}

1.) 17 Jul 2018 14:09:58
Last time Salah will win anything this season ;)



03 Feb 2017 14:43:44
What do people make of the rumour this morning that along with Rooney that Martial maybe sold to raise funds for Griezmann?

Things don't seem quite right with Martial this season, he doesn't seem to have the trust of Jose, he has had an unsettled life off the pitch. He was unhappy about losing the No.9 shirt, and his agent was making noises about going to Sevilla on loan.

Our interest in Griezmann seems pretty solid, and the questoon was if he signed who would miss out?

Martial looks a prime candidate for being the one to miss out so maybe the club will look to move him on. Would be sad to see him go as he has so much potential.


1.) 03 Feb 2017 15:40:16
If the reports are true that he refused to warm up before the hull game and his attitude stinks then I think we should get rid regardless of how talented he is.

Plenty more players that would jump at the chance to be in his position.

2.) 03 Feb 2017 15:59:17
I can see them both going Shappy, not sure if that is "too raise funds" but it's a nicer way of putting it than "no longer good enough and not professional/ mature enough", to be honest if we expect to be at the top there are about 10 players that need to be replaced with superior ones. Too many of our players have gotten away with simply plodding along for too long and a few others are not progressing or coming to the end of their careers/ effectiveness.

I could list them, but it would be one hell of a long list, more messy than ever when you look at each player in our squad and ask "are they good enough to be a regular starter in a title winning team"? .

3.) 03 Feb 2017 16:03:58
If griezmann comes in someone will have to move on and i think it could be martial .
I don't think rooney going would be tied in to griezmann and i don't think united need to sell to buy .

4.) 03 Feb 2017 16:31:02
If he refuses to try harder it is consistently unprofessional regarding his place in the squad then, after being given a fair chance to improve, he needs to move in. Shane, as very talented.

However, media loves to create mischief with United stories, so hopefully it's something that Mouribgo can successfully address.

5.) 03 Feb 2017 16:31:36
Martial is lazy when he hasn't got the ball. There is no movement from him. He just stands there with his shoulders slumped looking fed up, his body language is awful. I think this is why Jose states he has to do more to earn his place.

6.) 03 Feb 2017 16:43:44
Dave, I'm not sure that's true. Mourinho is a team man and he wouldn't stand for that kind of attitude. Its disrespectful to your team mates and creates a bad atmosphere.

I can see why people might consider Martial sulky, he does have a very sullen look about him. He rarely smiles even when he scores.

I think if he really was like that then we might have heard something about it before rather than the press waiting until Mourinho drops him to suddenly start telling the world what he was like.

Beast, will you ever be happy? Were you ever happy with the team? So are you suggesting that DDG is the only player you'd keep? Beyond that we need a whole new 21/ 22 players to build a good squad? A little bit of an over reaction isn't? I'm starting tk think that you would be saying the same things if you were a fan of any other club in the world, everything is being done wrong in your opinion.

Jred, I don't think the club needs to sell to buy, but the wages could be an issue. Martial being sold would help balance the books considering how much Griezmann would cost and the fact that we would probably look to bring in another 3-4 players as well as Greizmann. That could well be close to 200m being spent. We would probably need to recoupe around 100m of that, which means we would need at least one big sale. I think Rooney leaving is more about freeing up the wages rather than any fee we would recieve.

{Ed007's Note - Wazza will get a bumper new contract extension before the summer ;-)

7.) 03 Feb 2017 16:51:03
Hi shaps. I really hope martial will be kept, many sources have claimed he wants to stay and is happy. I think he has gotten better and obviously things happened in the summer that unsettled his person.

I would actually move on ibra to be honest, it would allow a front 4 of martial, rash, griezmann and miki. Much more pace and flexibility. I really like ibra but feel that 1 year was enough and hopefully some of the younger players have learned from him.

8.) 03 Feb 2017 17:11:21
I'd love to know who reported it dave. It's not the first time this season that he hasn't warmed up.

Is this like the story last week where he supposedly didn't go to training? That was a load of crap.

9.) 03 Feb 2017 17:33:59
I said last week, all of sudden everything that happens will be down to martial's attitude. People jump on a comment and then it snow balls.

10.) 03 Feb 2017 17:52:27
Shappy - Well I'm not happy scrapping for 4th place every year mate, so yeah the squad needs a cull. If I were in charge which is what I think you are asking, then the only ones I would keep for the starting 11 (most of our team are squad players at best) .

DDG, Jones, Bailly, Miki, Herrera (on the edge) - none of the rest would make it in my first team. If they pulled their fingers out then Shaw, Martial, Pogba and Ibra would potentially. All the rest of them can go as far as I'm concerned. Players like Rojo, Valencia, Carrick, do well but they should be squad players at best now.

So yeah, I'm not very happy, because too many people beat around the bush. Whinge about not being positive, but if you take a step back it's pretty messy. We need 4-5 top signings and being suitable if Jose isn't going to change how we play.

11.) 03 Feb 2017 19:52:59
Beast would it be possible for you to produce a squad list that you would expect us to have as our current one is so clearly lacking (please be some what realistic)

12.) 03 Feb 2017 20:02:51
Martial was miserable and moody last year but he was playing well so we just accepted it. Now his form has dropped its become a big issue. Only those inside the club know how big an attitude he has but you're either a team player or you're not. If he is let's keep him, if not let's sell him.

13.) 03 Feb 2017 20:28:03
Coleman RB, Rose LB, Vidal CM, Griezzman 2nd striker, wingers are tricky, but I would push Valencia up and give Martial/ Miki a chance to shine with better players on the left or right, they can tuck in well and support the strikers with full backs flying forward. I'd stick with Ibra with 4-4-2. Then hunt for wingers in the next window if necessary.

Those are 4 key signings in the summer I'd make, £175m-£200m. Let go of Mata, Darmian, Shaw, Fellaini, Lingard, Rooney - probably recoup £80-£100m from those, wages would even themselves out roughly.

14.) 03 Feb 2017 20:52:30
Beast, the change from Sir Alex was always going to be tricky, watch Arsenal struggle when Wenger moves on.

You can't have 27 years of one manager and expect a smooth transistion.

Personally I feel a squad is made up of many different players of different levels of talent, fight and personality.

The kind of player you seem to want is a Roy Keane type fighter, but a squad of 25 Keanes would tear itself apart.

Even the most successful squads have bit part players, guys who might not have the same quality as the others but offer something different.

I think on the whole our squad is pretty decent. We are still three or four players away from having a first team capable of functioning as fluidly as Mourinho would like.

I feel the real issue with our team is still the balance at the back. I think we lack real quality full backs, I inclued Valencia and Shaw in that. Shaw has potential, but bar a handful of games at the start of last season we haven't seen him come close to reaching it. Valencia has been a stand out performer this season, but is 31 years old and still his delivery from the flank is erractic and he still gets caught out defensively at times.

I feel the other areas we stuggle is top class holding midfielder, Carrick is well into his twilight years and can't cover as much ground as he used to, and still for me hasn't shaken off the safety first passing of the LvG era. I also feel we need a long term partner for Bailly, someone who can play the ball out of defence quickly and accurately.

I think we are well covered in the goalkeeping department.

I think Blind, Smalling, Jones and Rojo are decent squad defenders. Tuanzebe, TFM and CBJ offer hope for the future.

I think we need a true defensive midfielder, but beyond that Pogba, Herrera, Blind and Fellaini offer good options. Carrick and Schweinsteiger offer experience, and I like the look of both TFM and Andreas Pereira as young options coming though. Its a good balance.

I think for the most part our forward options look very good. In the long term we will need a replacement for Rooney/ Ibrahimovic as a central striking option. And depending on the development of Martial, Rashford and Lingard maybe another option, possibly someone more like a true wide man rather than a striker playing wide or a No.10 shunted out wide.

We have a lot of very good young players, Bailly, Shaw, Tuanzebe, TFM, Pereira, Lingard, Martial and Rashford.
We need to see how these players develop before we can right any of them off.

I don't think the squad is that far off a really top one to be honest.

15.) 03 Feb 2017 21:22:59
Agree with a lot of that mate. Trouble is we aren't playing to the strengths of our squad and we have too many squad players, or players that put in a lot of 6/ 7 out 10 performances but not too many regularly putting in the 8/ 9 out of 10's.

We have a lot of passengers, waiting for somebody to do something, too happy to leave it to the next guy and do the easy thing. Ironically the two magical players we signed are the biggest passengers of the bunch. We need 2 or 3 players with that drive an urgency, that will encourage the rest of the team to work, run off the ball, not always think safety first.

We aren't far away, but 4-5-1 is a bad formation because it's a balancer, teams like Hull, Stoke can match up and it's hard to break them down. 4-4-2, will mean it upsets those teams, opens us up but means they have to attack and that leaves space.

We need to be a bit cleverer and a bit more energetic. But we need to replace some of those squad players with top class players in their position, too many average players.

16.) 03 Feb 2017 21:37:02
I think our forward line is one of our biggest issues they can't score and struggle to hold onto the ball or be the first line of defence. Just way too many slow old average players. We lack real quality throughout the team. If we all picked our favourite team from Europe assuming we were still in it we wouldn't have a player in it. ( maybe a keeper) That's criminal for the richest club on the planet.

17.) 04 Feb 2017 12:36:29
We don't need to raise funds. That's Woodys job an he's good at it.

Young, Rooney, Darmian, rojo could all be off come summer. Bastian probably as well.

If Griezmann comes in he'd be first choice with zlatan maybe taking a back seat.

18.) 06 Feb 2017 20:08:45
Agree with a lot of that and players are only running on 6/ 10 apart from bailly, Herrera, Jones, Miki and rojo which you lot want axed? Is he not good to have as cover?

We need a vote here too see how many believe griezmann will make it at UTD and not turn into another Forlan.

AG fits well into the way AM play. We do not play like AM and I think it will take AG a season to play well.

19.) 08 Feb 2017 19:20:01
AG is probably one of the only players in world football who can hold a candle to Messi and ronaldo.

I am quite sure he would be able to fit into any team, he is that good.



26 May 2016 10:33:08
I hope there is some substance in this Manolas rumour. For me he is probably about the best option open to us. Strong, quick, great in the air, excellent reader of the game. A no nonsense type defender but one with good technique and a communicator and leader at the back.

He is the kind of centre back we can pair with anyone and he'll work well with them.

I'd still want to see someone else come in, Varane, Marquinhos, Stones or Bartra would work well with Manolas.

In fact for someone like Stones who has a mistake in him, and who needs to improve the defensive side of his game having a player such as Manolas alongside him and Mourinho on the touchline could be the making of him. I've been wary of Stones as I don't think he would improve our defence atm, but if he was brought in alongside Manolas then it could work well.


1.) 26 May 2016 12:15:01
Two CBs are a priority. Signing just one would leave us at risk. I really rate Varane but to sign an English player in Stones is very tempting.

Although if Roshaun Williams and Tuazenbe get promoted and play some games this season that would be an added bonus.

2.) 26 May 2016 12:34:52
I think TFM could also be played at CB under Mourinho. I'd be quite happy to sign Manolas and Bartra a could of lads in their mid twenties to leave space for the likes of TFM, Williams and Tuazenbe to fullfil the roles of talented young players.

I wouldn't be gutted if we signed Stones or Marquinhos, but given their ages it would make it far more difficult for the young CB's coming through as players like Stones or Marqunihos are only a couple of years older than them.

3.) 26 May 2016 12:47:31
For manolas just read otamendi.

4.) 26 May 2016 13:27:27
Agree Manolas is one of the best options available. Mainly because he's one of the only options who compliments what we currently have. His qualities blend well with Smalling's. Shaw, Manolas, Smalling and hopefully a rejuvenated Darmian has the making of a top back line. But agree that an extra centre back would be even better.



11 Sep 2015 14:12:13
I think people get too hung up over player contracts.

Yes it is excellent news that DDG has signed a new deal, why? Because it now means he will probably play most of our games this season, and with him being one of if not the best keeper in the world atm it certainly makes our team stronger.

The length of a players contract has very little baring on how long a player will stay at a club. Think of it like this 90% of player moves involve a player who is under contract, only around 10% of players see out the full duration of their contracts.

DDG may leave next summer or the summer after that or the one after that. Only two things are certain.
One he will leave at some point, be it either in his prime, the twilight of his career or through retirement.
And two him having a deal with the club means he will be available to play for thr club this season.
Beyond that who knows. Ultimately when he leaves we will look for a replacement. And hopefully it will he someone as good or even better than him.

And for those who say it was all about the money? Probably, isn't the money one of the biggest factors in your career?

But on a serious note, I think he is happy in Manchester, but has a girlfriend who would benefit from having her more famous boyfriend with her on social events in Spain, and an agent who wants to make money.

As it stands he will earn more money and based on his performances he probably deserves it, and he will probably stay at the club for a few more years.

Now let's just sit back and appreciate the fact we have one of the best keepers in the world playing for us. let's enjoy it.


1.) 11 Sep 2015 14:28:55
i don't buy in to all the family stuff i just think like a lot of players he wanted to play for madrid.
that looks to be of the cards so he has took the cash and stopped at united.

great news for us

2.) 11 Sep 2015 15:28:47
Jred, from what I heard his family thought it better he stay in Manchester considering the circus that goes on in Madrid.
I think it was his girlfriend and maybe his agent who seemed most keen on his moving to Madrid.

I also think Madrid have been trying everything they can to clear themselves from any blame over the collapse of his move so as to make sure they didn't burn any bridges knowing that it was possible he would sign a new deal. I expect now he has signed a new deal Madrid will become very quiet over his non move.

3.) 11 Sep 2015 18:44:10
Well done Shappy, couldn't agree more (other than the bit about deserving the money. No one deserves that amount of money, especially for playing a game. It's not exactly saving lives or advancing humanity. )

But yes you're right, let's enjoy that he's staying and accept that he will probably be gone in the next season or two. Wise words mate.

4.) 11 Sep 2015 20:18:05
Have to disagree with ihatefootball's opinion on players deserving the amount of money they get paid. When you look at the massive amounts the teams are earning through apparel and jersey sales, ticket sales, concessions, Champions League- the players deserve every penny they can get. Nobody pays to watch us kick about on the weekends. They pay to watch the best players in the world at their jobs.

When you hear about players like Messi paying a sick childs medical bills how can you find a complaint with how much they earn?

{Ed007's Note - Aye, it's not every sick kid that can get a football club to pay for private 'treatments'.}

5.) 11 Sep 2015 22:28:03
Maybe I am attributing ill motives to RM, but it seemed to me that their tactic was to maximise the chance that they could sign de Gea for free in 2016. They have failed. I congratulate the powers that be in Utd for standing firm.
So, what abut Monaco? I have yet to see any report that the total fee for Martial is not extortionate. They will need a replacement. Why not make sure that the price that they pay is also excessive? When they identify the replacement, put in a higher bid , but graciously allow them to better it (or not). Make good use of Utd's financial muscle.
Red Setter

6.) 11 Sep 2015 23:01:45
I'm sorry??? You what??? You agree that players should get paid £200,000 a week for kicking a ball around some grass? Best at their job in the world maybe but at kicking a ball round a field. It is DISGUSTING the amount of money they are paid. Can you not put it into perspective? Get a grip!

{Ed007's Note - You can't blame the players, what do you expect them to say? 'Here never mind that £100k a week plus appearance money, goal scoring bonus and image rights, give me £2k a week and a leased Ford Focus?'
Blame Sly TV for the mess football is in, we expect the players to work as hard as some guy sitting welding all day and putting a hard shift in, why shouldn't they do what the welder does and weld where he gets paid the most.
I really can't lay the blame at the crazy wages going around on players, it's the people providing the money and the people distributing it that need to look at it.
Years ago the clubs held all the power but now it's swung to the players calling the shots, what we need to find is a happy medium but sadly I think it's went too far now and that's never going to happen.
For anyone over 30, football is never going to be the same or as enjoyable ever again for us, and that breaks my heart.}

7.) 12 Sep 2015 06:17:47
Ihatefootball- i do understand your point. If you think of it in its basic terms as just a game with grown men out in a field kicking a ball then it's absolutely rediculous. The reality is football is a business and they are the star attractions in an industry that generates billions.

In any business you have to spend in order to have a competitive advantage over your competition and I'm proud to support the club and am thrilled they are investing back in the team to buy or keep some of the worlds best players. Without De Gea we probably wouldn't be in the Champions League which is worth millions to the club.

Ed007 I'd love to find a happy medium, but as long as club profits continue to raise then I'd imagine player wages will as well.

{Ed002's Note - There are constraints within FFP in respect of the wages.}

8.) 12 Sep 2015 08:59:34
Rumours in Spain that there is a release clause for 50 million in the contract.

9.) 15 Sep 2015 12:57:49
He signed a contract out of respect but there will be a clause in the contract that if real madrid put in such an such amount then he goes. let's not get hard ons over it




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13 Dec 2018 18:15:16
We saw last night what is really one of the biggest issues with our side presently.

We have a 89m problem in our side and it isn't an easy fix. Forget what Pogba does off the pitch it is what he does on the pitch that is the biggest problem to how we play.

On the surface it looks good, his stats read that he played more passes than anyone in our side last night (77) with a near 91% pass accuracy. He also had more touches than anyone else (93). A couple of "key passes" a few shots, 8 of his 9 attempted long passes were successful. However, that is only one side of the stats. He also only one one header, made one interception while he made no tackles, no blocks and no clearances.

So what is the story, what is happening when we combine the stats and what we see with our own eyes?

We see a player who demands the ball but does little to win it, a player who is obsessed with the "Hollywood" ball rather than the effective one. A highlight reel player. While his Hollywood long range passes look good, the time they take to get to their target gives the opposition time to get into position. Making them almost pointless.

This is the real problem, as the stats highlight what a massive drain of the ball he is to our side. This wouldn't be a problem if he was being effective with the ball, but he isn't. And I fear he won't be until he learns that the simple ball is often the best, speed of pass is more important than how it looks, and end result is more important than looking flash.

In this respect Mourinho has my sympathy, I don't think Pogba wants to hear the things that need to be said to him to improve him and allow him to achieve his full potential.

Until Pogba either learns or leaves we will struggle to get the best out of our side.


1.) 13 Dec 2018 19:23:23
read an article in the rags were he says he is humiliated for being dropped. he admits he and others are not playing well, but his excuse for being humiliated is because of his stature in the game. i think that says it all if true.

2.) 13 Dec 2018 20:24:49

I agree, watching Pogba last night, he passed the ball to the nearest player and stepped back into the pocket, put an opposition player between him and the ball. Once the ball was in front of him it looked like he felt he had done his job. Laconic, lethargic on the ball. I said on live chat that in the 70’s my late brother used to point out players who hid until ten minutes from the end of each half then put some effort in so they didn’t get a rollicking at the end. Pogba seemed like that, he and others insulted the shirt last night.

3.) 13 Dec 2018 21:18:59
It is apparent that Pogba is a luxury player not suited to being in a struggling team that needs to up its tempo and requires some genuine midfield leadership.

We can't afford a player who holds on to the ball too long, gets tackled, falls over hoping for a foul, and then rather than getting up and sprinting back, he stares at the ref in disbelief or bangs his fist on the ground. Equally as telling are the limited number of times United players in general and Pogba, in particular, actually sprint. He is altogether too languorous.

4.) 14 Dec 2018 00:15:11
Bang on Shappy.

The best midfielders in the game dictate play and control the pace of the gane. They keep it simple, one touch, then pass and m move. Pogba takes 5+ touches before losing the ball or playing a Hollywood pass or 40 yard shot. He might grow out of these habits as central midfield is a position for a player who is more mature on and off the pitch. Unfortunately I don't think he will.

5.) 14 Dec 2018 06:09:34
Mourinho asked for simplicity and he got it from pogba against valencia, hard to make any killer passes when no one is running in behind and everyone is standing on each others toes in midfield.

6.) 14 Dec 2018 11:26:30
You can't post stats showing how good Pogba is then slate him. Pretty much every manager who might replace Mou will want him in the team. Speaks volumes.

7.) 14 Dec 2018 11:37:25
DSG, the number of runs that our forwards make, particularly Rashford, is more than adequate. The problem is midfielders who can't pick a pass, and Pogba's key responsibility is to link defence and attack. You must be watching another game if you see anything but poor performance week in, week out from Pogba. He's not a kid any more, he's not potential any more, he's at an age where he should be at his peak, and if this is his peak then we will be lucky to find a buyer. He is the virus in the Club and we need shot of him ASAP.

8.) 14 Dec 2018 17:38:04
So72, Watch the charity game in the summer, I'll spend the entire match passing back to the keeper. By the end of the match I'll make 50+ passes with 100% accuracy.

Does that mean I've had a good game?

The stats only show half the story, and out of context they mean very little.

Some of the stats out of context look good. Some look awful. However, I felt they highlighted my point that he is a vortex in our team, drawing the ball into him limiting the chances for other players while also not actually producing very much.



07 Dec 2018 08:30:13
"There are things that I cannot get from them, and I cannot say much more than this"- Jose Mourinho, Dec 2018.

This is a direct quote from our manager talking about our current results.

Is he admitting that he cannot motivate the players to give their all?


1.) 07 Dec 2018 08:44:14
Or that their ability is at their limit.

2.) 07 Dec 2018 08:54:09
That's one interpretation. Most definitely yours.

Could also mean he believes that they haven't got the quality to give more.

Either way, many of the players in the squad have been an embarrassment with their performances.

3.) 07 Dec 2018 09:50:50
It can be interpreted in a couple of different ways. Either he can't get the players to give their all, or that he doesn't think the players are good enough. Either way I think it's an interesting thing to say publicly. How would you react if that was said about you? I'm not sure what he thinks he is going to get from saying comments like these.

Personally I think its him insinuating that the players lack heart, fight and desire or at least maybe he can't get that from them. Which is in line with his previous comments.

4.) 07 Dec 2018 09:52:35
So, Jose is either saying he can’t get the best from the squad, or throwing his players under the bus again by saying they’re not good enough, again.

Yawn, it’s tiresome seeing the manager focusing on protecting his reputation, rather than trying to learn from his own mistakes and turn things around.

5.) 07 Dec 2018 10:22:55
Shappy did he not say just before that he couldn't fault the spirit etc, I don't have the quote. I think he was talking about the quality of some players. I think players like rojo and darmian, who were probably told they could leave in the summer deserve a lot of credit for how the performed on Wednesday. Particularly Darmian who comes across as a top pro.

6.) 07 Dec 2018 10:45:02
Caolan your wasting your time mate. Just shappy pushing his agenda again and again and again.
He feels very passionately that jose is useless and feels the need to tell everybody that every day in a different way.
The posts are better than counting sheep if you can't get asleep and more repetitive than uk gold and less accurate than lukaku on a good day😂.

7.) 07 Dec 2018 11:19:55
Its a combination. Some have the attitude but not enough talent whereas those with the talent don't have enough attitude.

8.) 07 Dec 2018 12:11:00
So players like pogba martial etc haven't got the ability to be higher than 8th .

People thought Jose was a born winner etc etc . Unfourtantlty that's clearly not the case, time to move on.

9.) 07 Dec 2018 13:34:54
Jred there is no doubting that we are underperforming. Martial has been excellent recently and has improved his work rate massively. This to me shows that he has got the right attitude (something I often criticised him for) for example when he came off against arsenal he was fighting for the ball, not something anyone would associate with his game. Now imagine Pogba and Lukaku, put in half the work of players like rashford, lingard and Herrera? No doubting their ability, tremendous talents, both Pogba and Lukaku should be the spine of this team for years to come.

For me if pogba had the urgency and determination that herrera has, then he would be unplayble nearlt every week. Imagine if Lukaku worked as hard off the ball as lingard and rashford with his movement, he would and should be scoring loads. I think the pair of them can be so important for us, and could fire us up the table, but they're both capable of so much more, and I think a bit more fight, especially when in poor form would make a massive difference.

Its impacted martial's performances for the better. Maybe our other talented stars need to do the same. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Jose, players included, I don't think there has been enough fight, passion and determination from certain players. Maybe the motivation of playing for United isn't enough for some, I don't know.

I do think that you are right Jred that it may be time for Jose to move on, but I think we are finding out a lot about certain indiviudals in the squad and whether or not they have the character to play at the biggest club in the world.

10.) 07 Dec 2018 13:49:05
A bit like hazard and co before Jose got sacked at Chelsea.
Jose comments about Fred about sum up were we are .
We can't play Fred because we need to be solid at the back yet every top team defends from the front defends by controlling possession in the middle .
Jose couldn't or wouldn't play a Cm with the 2 silvas in it like pep, wouldn't give his strikers the licence to play like klipperty, he would need an SAS squad playing defence to be that brave .
Martial is a good example everyone wanted rid told me time and again he should get shot . Turns out he is a decent player same people have just moved on to the next target .

Imagine if we had a manager who could get the best out of the players he had . People overcomplicant things make excuses but the truth is, good managers doing a good job get the best out of there players the best out of there squad . When they do they get the plaudits when they don't they get the sack .

11.) 07 Dec 2018 14:46:06
100% get your point Jred. However, my post is more a gripe with certain players. In fact something which irks me in modern football if I am honest. Players who decide not to give everything etc. When at the end of the day there is no substitute for working hard.
In our scenario I think we have a split dressing room, some behind the manager, others not. I can't imagine SAF got on with all his players over the years, but they still gave absolutely everything for the club. Surely playing at OT should not require any greater motivation.

Whilst I agree on the style of play, let's look at the players Klopp and pep have brought in. Klopp needed a top centre half and it was made sure he got one, he got his man in keita and the keeper he wanted in Alisson. By no means am I saying Jose hasn't been backed as he has spent a lot and I feel he WAS backed, but Pep got to correct his poor signings. If jose is still here in January we will get a good indicator of whether or not he may be here next season.

I guess what I am saying here is, there are a few issues at this club, not all down to just Jose. I think that is a fair statement.

12.) 07 Dec 2018 15:11:40
Salah has developed in to one of the best players in the world.
Van dyke in to one of the best defenders in Europe.
Mane, frimino and salah were probably the best front line in Europe.
Sterling is one of the best players in the epl got dogs abuse, stones part of the best defence in Europe got dogs abuse delph looks a good player .
2 managers doing a good job and getting plaudits. Rightly so

There are issues at every club but a major one at United is the manager .

At the moment he is doing a poor job especially compared to pep klopp sarri poch emery . In fact even Howe Silva and a couple of others .

13.) 07 Dec 2018 15:33:46

14.) 07 Dec 2018 15:50:45
He's right though shappy. Those players are not doing their utmost for the club and he's right to call them out on it.

Jred, they are more than capable ability wise to be doing better than 8th, but it seems as though they lack certain internal qualities to do that.

Regardless of who the manager is, maximum effort is the minimum a person over 100k+ should be expected to give. For the club and for the fans.

15.) 07 Dec 2018 15:58:24

Van Djik was already one of the best centre halves just needed a bigger platform. Salah was always a highly regarded player, especially from his days at Basle. Klopp has improved liverpool, no doubt about it. But players have not developed under him. Players have not developed under Pep.

Jose is not doing a brilliant job, I am not disputing that. But a bigger issue in my opinion, is players being paid an obsence amount, not giving a damn about the fans and not applying themselves. Yes Jose is not doing great but you can't say these players are giving everything to help improve. Because if pogba, sanchez and lukaku had half the work rate of herrera lingard and rashford we would be just fine.

Sir Alex used to say you could win a game if no more than 3 players were having an off day. Unfortunatley for us we have some overpaid pre madonna's who through the arms in the air when they lose the ball rather than work back for their team.

Players are as much to blame as the manager in a lot of instances. But it's always easier to blame one person rather than a large group. Manchester United is not a quick fix and everything won't be solved by just getting rid of another manger. Players need to go, and the manager does too. But let's not kid ourselves and say the players haven't been rubbish.

16.) 07 Dec 2018 16:18:01
But players have not developed under him. Players have not developed under Pep caolan
I couldn't disagree more and you will find most football fans outside this page will feel the same .

Salah was highly regarded at Basel? Come on pal was bailly not highly regarded pogba Sanchez.

It is a managers job to get the best out of his players at the moment he is getting the best out of very few of them .
Unlike a lot of other managers .

Pep and klipperty are doing a great job Jose isn't.
By the way a lot of players are underperforming in an underpinning team .

What did you think of Jose 3rd year at Chelsea? Sometimes it stops working and it's time to move on .

You say players need to go, would you of said that about martial a few month ago .
If you could get a manager that could get the best out of
Pogba martial Sanchez lukaku Fred matic ddg Shaw lindelof bailly to name but a few . Do you think we could play attractive football and be higher than 8th.

17.) 07 Dec 2018 19:15:16
Jred you’re taking my posts as if I’m saying Mourinho isn’t the problem here. If you looks back you’ll see me agree that we need a change. But you can’t say the players don’t deserve some criticism, because that would just be ridiculous.



02 Dec 2018 10:19:05
Serious question here, If your manager at your place of work kept making you do your job in a way that didn't get the best out of you, didn't seem to be working, wasn't getting results then he went out of his way to blame you or your co-workers for every failure while never accepting any blame himself.
Would you be motivated to give 100% and work as hard as possible for him?

Click agree if you would, click disagree if you wouldn't.


1.) 02 Dec 2018 10:37:25
Shappy, everyone knows you want Jose sacked. No need to come on with another attempt to justify your opinion. All this site is these days is negativity surrounding the manager. One of the main reasons I’ve not posted anywhere near as much. Would love to see a thread with a positive discussion.

2.) 02 Dec 2018 10:41:34
There are several flaws in your post. First point is in whose opinion is it “a way that didn’t get the best out of you”. As a worker you think you know better than the boss who does know and been appointed on that basis, really? That is a basis for chaos. If you downed tools in nearly every other job on that basis you would be out the door, not pandered.

Secondly, they should be playing for the shirt, for the club, the fans. Your point highlights what is wrong with some of these players, they are letting the club and the fans down by giving less than 100%. Highly paid, prima donnas need sorting out and your post seems to suggest the poor darlings are not motivated because they are hard done to.

Appoint Roy Keane on a short term coaching contract and that will wake some up.

3.) 02 Dec 2018 11:20:55
Caolan, I don't want Mourinho sacked, I never wanted him appointed for reasons that should now be obvious. Nearly everything I said as a reason for not wanting Mourinho as our manager has come true. That's not me wanting a pat on the back, just pointing out that it was obvious even before Jose was hired that it wouldn't work out well. However, many back then were prepared to ignore that fact if it meant we win another title. In fact the only prediction I made about Jose that didn't come true was I said he would probably win the title in his second season.

You want us to talk about something positive about our club at the moment? Well what would that be? The scintillating football? The abundance of youngsters coming through and realising their potential? The world class signings that are taking us up to the next level? Or the obvious titles we are going to win?

The only positive thing is the club is doing well in signing new sponsors. I hear we are about to announce a deal with Durex, the United condom, for when your really f**ked.

Red Man, you would play for the shirt, I would play for the shirt. However, when was the last time you went to work for the glory of your company? When was the last time you worked over time and didn't expect or want to be paid for it as you wanted the company to do well? When we signed players and managers who have no personal attachment to the club then it is only fair to assume they are working for money. No one moves from Madrid, or Paris or Milan to Manchester for the weather and the culture. They move to earn more money and win titles. At the moment our club can only offer one of those incentives.

Also I'm not talking about "down tools" I'm talking about the level of commitment you, I or anyone else would give. No one is accusing the players of refusing to play, just that none are 100% committed. If you are one of those very rare people who will always give 100% at work regardless of the situation then I tip my hat to you. The majority of us will not give our best in a situation where we feel undervalued, underappreciated or down right bullied.

Your point on Keane is an interesting one, he was a great player and totally committed. Can you point out which job as manager he was successful at though? You back Jose on the basis of his CV, yet I'm sure Keane's managerial CV doesn't make great reading. Unless he did win something that escapes my mind.

Keane's abrasive attitude although awesome to watch as a fan, is very much a product of its time, and sadly doesn't appear to work well in modern society.

I don't think the players are hard done by, and I'm frustrated with the performances they are putting in. However, I appreciate that not all car crashes are due to mechanical failure, in fact most are driver error. People say we lack leaders, yet Jose is supposed to be THE leader, yet no one wants to follow him. Maybe his time at the top is done. It happens to us all eventually. If Usain Bolt refused to retire, and kept going eventually someone would beat him, he would slow down, and he would eventually be an all so ran. Sir Alex was a complete and utter one off, no other managers in modern times have been able to have his level of success over a 25 year period. Most spend the first 10 years of their managerial careers finding their feet, then maybe 10 years of relevance then they peak, then football moves on and they spend the rest of their time in the twilight of their careers.

Stick this Jose Mourinho in 2010 and he would win everything, but this Jose Mourinho isn't in 2010, its 2018 nearly 2019. The world has moved on and he hasn't.

4.) 02 Dec 2018 11:21:43
Redman what did the boss do yesterday, he played 5 at the back against the second worst team in the league, and I agree with you about the highly paid players,
The football world is too soft for Roy Keane now, if he had a go at someone in the training ground where things should be kept in house, it would be all over social media, too much political correctness for Roy in the football world today.
It was interesting what Harry rednapp said, when he was manager back years ago when they all got on the bus going to a game they would talk and have a laugh, now the have satalite dishes on their ears, like zombies, no togetherness, no spirit.

5.) 02 Dec 2018 11:40:59
“Would love to see a thread with a positive discussion”.

Based on the football we are enduring, I think negativity is apt. And I’m positive about that.

6.) 02 Dec 2018 13:31:59
The question is why would you keep Mourinho? His CV or his form currently? His History proves, 3rd season is a disatriuos as it gets.
With him til May we will be in between 6th and 10th on the table, anywhere near top 4 will be a miracle.

7.) 02 Dec 2018 14:47:06
Currently we have four people who would still give 100% for their company even if their manager was being a total p***k to them. Fair play. In my mind your either extremely dedicated to a company who wouldn't think twice about replacing you or you have so little self-respect your prepared to allow someone to run rough shot over you and take the p*** out of you and still ask for more. All power to you, there are no wrong opinions just misguided ones.

8.) 02 Dec 2018 17:15:15

Every day I work overtime without being paid for it and I do it to try and make a difference to the company.

I don’t want Keane as manager but we could do worse than get him in short term as part of the coaching staff because he is someone who would come in and root out the bad attitudes. The one I really think we should get in is Rio Ferdinand.

If there are players there not trying, sell them, it doesn’t matter what there social media profile brings to the club, get rid and stop fawning over them. What I saw from Pogba yesterday was pathetic. If we don’t solve the issues the next manager will have the same problems, just like Conte did when following Mourinho.

9.) 02 Dec 2018 17:44:14
Get rid of he from whom all negatively flows. Until then we are all just * in the wind.



28 Nov 2018 14:32:20
Right can we talk about Matic?

In my opinion he is the single biggest obstacle blocking us from playing well other than the managers tactics.

His lack of mobility is really hitting us this season. I've seen paint run off him never mind any player under 65. Yes he is often isolated by other midfielders wandering out of position or not putting in enough work along side him.

Yet considering we have the same defence as last season, it is almost entirely down to Matic's drop off in form that we have gone from the second best defence in the league to only the six teams conceding more goals than us so far, and only three of those teams have had more shots at goal against them than us.

He is exposing our less than spectacular defence, he is limiting our midfielders from impacting the game, and that is limiting our ability to get hold of a game and thus create chances.

Obviously If he was dropped we wouldn't play different tactics, but I feel we would be better placed to play the tactics Jose wants better.

Either way it is unlikely Jose will be our manager next season, so finding a replacement for Matic will fall to his successor. Depending on how that manager wants to play will very much shape the kind of player we might go for. Either a deep-lying playmaker or a out and out destroyer. Options within the EPL could be Ruben Neves or Wilfried Ndidi depending which way the new manager wanted to go.


1.) 28 Nov 2018 14:49:55
Grossly unfair to blame Matic alone Shappy. On that basis, you could turn it round and saying that having the 2nd best defensive record last season was entirely down to Matic. Its a team game, and a team is only as good as the sum of its parts. Currently, the parts at United don't add up to much - not all down to Matic.

Matic has not been playing his best football, but name one player who has.

Matic is in the team to do a specific job. Ha may not be playing his best, but he is disciplined in what he does, and that is one very important factor that too many of our players don't seem to have. Discipline. Its ironic that he gets so much grief for being a 'Jose favourite', as does Fellaini, but don't all managers pick the players that can trust to do what is asked of them?

2.) 28 Nov 2018 15:18:29
I agree with you both. I've seen ships turn quicker than him (Matic) and loss of form doesn't make you less mobile in my opinion finished at the top. Pogba cannot play midfield in our league and is more suited to Spain or Italy, her tries to be clever and loses possession then strolls back which is unforgivable in a team game so get rid and buy someone who is suited to our league. Fred has not had much of a chance and deserves more time. Herrera a good squad player. Fellaini although our saviour last night and a few other occasions shouldn't be at a top team either. So I would say our midfield is still an issue and why we concede goals and lack creativity.

3.) 28 Nov 2018 16:04:21
Betty, I would place the majority of the plaudits for our defensive record last season on Matic.

He was majestic between August and late March/ early April last season. Then he started to run out of steam and it was from that point our defensive record started to decline. Up until that point we had the best defensive record last season.

He always struggles with maintaining fitness throughout a season, every year at Chelsea was the same, he was arguably their best player for the first half of the season then declined until the end of the season. In the years where he doesn't get a summer break he struggles.

The issue with Matic is he isn't a playmaker, so when the defensive work he does isn't good enough he offers very little other than as a statue in the middle of the pitch for the opposition to avoid running in to.

Slow to turn, lacking pace and without enough energy to get around the pitch he offers very little.

Most of the attacks we suffer are actually coming straight through the middle.

Now while it is in vogue to blame Pogba (and he certainly isn't blameless) I feel the real problem is Matic. For at least Pogba does offer quality going forward and he produces more often than not.

4.) 28 Nov 2018 16:35:44
Your right in that pogba has quality but wrong when you say more often than not. Since he’s been back you could count on one hand stand out games, and how often does he try something clever only to lose the ball when a simple pas will do which results in an attack that he doesn’t bust a gut to try and win back. Midfield is still a problem.

5.) 28 Nov 2018 17:54:56
If you look into it Pogba is our most creative player and the stats back that up.

Highest number of successful passes.
Highest number of forward passes.
Highest number of passes completed in the final third.
Highest number of key passes.
Most assists.
Third most goals scored.
Highest number of completed dribbles.
Only De Gea has made more successful long passes.

So he is clearly doing something most of the rest of our squad aren't doing. From a creative point of view he is doing quite a lot, and having a impact more often than not, or at very least he is having an impact more regularly than anyone else in our squad.

Does he work hard enough? Is he making the most of his talent? Does he do enough defensively? Probably no to all those questions. Yet even so he is doing more than than most of the other 24 men in our squad.

6.) 28 Nov 2018 18:02:35
Shappy, would you not place the plaudits on the whole team playing defensively? That is the basis of the whole arguement against Mourinho, isn't it?
And Matic's form dropped off well before Xmas last year, not late March / April - at least that seams to be the consensus on here. Again, details 'massaged' to suit the story.

You have been very vocal lately in blaming Mourinho for everything from football to Brexit, but now it's largely Matic's fault?

I get the frustration at our current situation, but I'm really don't think it is down to individuals. None of the players are performing anywhere near their best - certainly not on a consistent basis. We look poor collectively, not just as individuals. The defence looks shaky most of the time, midfield never dominates anyone and we lack creativity and a genuine goal threat.

Again, it's just my opinion but Matic is just one of the symptoms, not the root cause.

7.) 28 Nov 2018 18:18:22
Not gloating, perhaps the drop off in defensive solidity is due to mid and indeed even low table teams having a go at you, your lack of form is allowing teams to smell blood, exactly the opposite of Man City where teams are like sacrifical lambs.

On a lighter note if you haven't seen Klopps interview with sexy French interpreter it's why we love him, and a massive contrast to your guy.

8.) 28 Nov 2018 18:29:24
Shappy, I should have acknowledged the fact hat you did say "other than the manager's tactics" at the start of your post. Fair is fair.

9.) 28 Nov 2018 23:44:35
Tell klopp there's a new tooth paste out.



15 Nov 2018 16:07:52
Can we talk about Jose Mourinho's player of the year from last season?

Scott McTominay, where has he gone?

I thought Mourinho was holding Scott up as proof that he can bring young players through and develop them.

Yet this season he is behind Matic, Pogba, Fellaini, Herrera, Fred and Andreas Pareira.

So is he this great young player Mourinho has moulded, or was he just the stick used to beat Pogba with by our manager?


1.) 15 Nov 2018 16:44:18
Everything comes down to our defenders finally, SAF once said " Defense will win you titles", and now we know why.

Our defenders have zero confidence when they have the ball, we start poorly from the back and the same is matched upfront by or Strikers.

2.) 15 Nov 2018 17:31:40
Footballers are on the whole confidence sportsmen. When their confidence is high they perform well, when it is low they struggle.

Players are also more sensitive now then they were in the 70/ 80's, probably because they aren't in a constant state of inebriation now.

As such when your manager constantly tells the world press he wanted to sign a new defender because he doesn't think the ones he has are good enough it is likely to erode their confidence some what.

Also there seems to be something strange happening between Mourinho and Bailly. Bailly is our best defender and yet he can't get a game. He has had one or two below par performances recently, yet he seemed out of favour prior to those poorer performances.

3.) 15 Nov 2018 18:37:01

Using McTominay as a stick to beat Pogba?

Not that you are trying to use McTominay as a stick to beat Mourinho of course, but I seem to recall McTominay had a period of injury and without checking I think wasn’t availability until at least the Juventus game, no idea if fit now. If Mourinho praises a player it is a stick for Pogba, if he criticises he is knocking their confidence, if he says anything about anyone it’s wrong, insert insult.

If defenders fall apart at a bit of criticism then they are not for Manchester United. Something strange happening with the Manager and Bailly, really? Perhaps Bailly just isn’t concentrating, maybe there is something else in his life taking his focus away. One or two below par performances, seriously? No, he was plain awful more than once. Quite rightly you have to earn your place, he is paid and should be chomping at the bit.

This isn’t just about confidence in defenders, hence it’s Mourinho, sorry nasty Mourinho who has taken all their confidence away, it’s about leadership and quality and our central defenders lack it. I don’t see Real Madrid knocking on the door for Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Bailly and co, there is a reason, they are not leaders on or off the pitch.

I recognise your anguish, I felt it every day with Moyes, yet there was no CV or honours there to back up the appointment. I think we have to suck up the poor time at the moment, the Exec VC should ask for the Managers plans, appraise them and decide support or sack. Support and he gets the players he wants in summer and stays next season. If not he has to go, but that will bring about a world of pain right now because we have no direction and we could speed off over the cliff, whilst our opponents laugh and toxics start all over again.

4.) 15 Nov 2018 19:30:11
Really good post redman.

5.) 15 Nov 2018 20:28:02
Did ed not say he was likely to go out on loan.

6.) 15 Nov 2018 22:42:38
I think he needs to go out on loan to get some game time. He did well at times for us last season without ever being standout. He has a lot of good attributes to have a good career.

7.) 15 Nov 2018 23:12:08
I'm not convinced to be honest, if he goes out on loan in Jan I would be pleasantly surprised to see him back at United.

8.) 16 Nov 2018 08:36:28
I agree jred. I think he has some good attributes and can have a good career but i'm with you i don't think it will be at united but who knows.




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08 Dec 2018 07:14:35
All these players are now well into their 30's, which probably means they have now become the first choice targets under our current manager. 😂😂😂.




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05 Dec 2018 10:45:22
I suspect we will have a very quiet January window due to the uncertainty of the managers position. We might see a player or two leave if the right offers cone in for the right players (Darmian, Rojo ect maybe) .

But I don't see any significant players joining, at most maybe a youngster or two for the academy.




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28 Nov 2018 18:05:43
I would say Pochettino is more ready for a top job than How at the moment. I also feel Howe would require a really good structure behind the scenes to aide him. I think 3-4 years of Pochettino allowing him to freshen up the squad, and get them used to playing good football at a high tempo. Then when he goes back to Spain, which he will want to do at some point. How would be the potential ideal candidate.




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22 Nov 2018 17:00:35
Why would they want him? He's rubbish, even the great, the wonderful and the all knowing Jose Mourinho can't get the best out of him.

Clearly he can't be any good.




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22 Nov 2018 16:20:13
FZZ, When did the club release a statement declaring the manager is no longer responsible for signings?

Isn't it just speculation? The Ed's have said that there are several people involved in recruitment, just like any large organisation. That the manager and his team of assistants, Ed Woodward and the scouting team work together to draw up a list of targets based on the managers wishes.

This is the same for every club, more or less world wide, and has been for many many many years. Ultimately though the buck stops with the manager.

Jose stated he wanted a CB, so the club agreed to sign Bailey with Joses blessing. Jose wanted a second CB, he had friends back in Portugal who told him Lindelof was a great player in the making, he sent his scouts who agreed, the club then purchased Lindelof. The second CB signed by/ for Mourinho.

Yet Smalling is still his go to first choice, why because Mourinho is unable to get the best out of Bailey and Lindelof.





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16 Dec 2018 08:06:39
Great story, and loved that the driver ran a red in both senses.




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14 Dec 2018 19:20:22
B****r me Ken, if your 6 years old you have had the hardest 6 years of anyone ever. Lol.




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14 Dec 2018 17:38:04
So72, Watch the charity game in the summer, I'll spend the entire match passing back to the keeper. By the end of the match I'll make 50+ passes with 100% accuracy.

Does that mean I've had a good game?

The stats only show half the story, and out of context they mean very little.

Some of the stats out of context look good. Some look awful. However, I felt they highlighted my point that he is a vortex in our team, drawing the ball into him limiting the chances for other players while also not actually producing very much.




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11 Dec 2018 17:15:35
Personally I would rather play a "big" team than a so called smaller side.

First off, there are no bad sides in the knockout stages of the UCL. All of them are there on merit and have had to beat good sides in the group stages.

Secondly, if we lose to a so called smaller side the press fallout will be much bigger. As will the fan fallout. I know I'm more annoyed at losing to a side I personally don't feel we should be losing to.

Finally and probably most importantly, I feel the way Jose sets our team up we are better placed to win against the better teams than the lesser ones.

Jose may not be my cup of tea, yet one thing he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt is that his style of football is exceptionally successful in cup competitions. 17 cup competition wins compared to 8 league wins. His style while lacking in entertainment and excitement does grind out results in those tough games. This season we haven't looked anywhere near as bad against the top teams compared to the poor performances against the "lesser" teams. I wouldn't be surprised if we beat or at least draw with Liverpool for example.

So I don't mind if we finish 1st or 2nd in the group, as long as we get a top side in the draw. Besides isn't the whole point of being in the UCL for the big nights against the top teams.




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10 Dec 2018 09:39:38
I would be happy to let Smalling, Rojo and Jones leave, then bring on one new CB and promote Tuanzebe.