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31 May 2018 07:02:14
Before we start this is only something iv read. Its a nice old school rumour with a story. I'm paraphrasing a bit but apparently our new sleeve sponsor is "Kohler" (an American manufacturing comapny) .

So the story goes that the guy who brokered the deal let it slip to someone that we have activated Griezmann''s release clause. Him accepting our offer is a different matter. Either way he won't be announcing where he's going until after the world cup.

If the the sleeve sponsor announced in the next two weeks is Kohler, then maybe this has legs.

Woodward is always looking for the big "markee" signing. Maybe Antoine is it?


1.) 31 May 2018 07:28:53
Mumbles I read exactly the same thing last night and not going to lie it got me very excited. I am very sceptical but there could be some truth in it. I would have thought Barcelona would have had this deal wrapped by now. But I think there is something to do with his release clause being activated at a certain date. I would love griezmann he is my preferred no 1 signing this summer. At least will if we announce the Koehler sleeve sponsor then perhaps we can get excited by this.

2.) 31 May 2018 09:07:19
I wouldn't be surprised if this was part of a strategy to get Bale, There is obvious interest in Bale and the numbers being quoted since he scored in the final seem to have increased maybe this is our way of saying if the price is to much we can go elsewhere. The good thing for us is there is a lot of top talent available just now so hopefully we don't get held to ransom as much as normal. Saying that with the names being thrown around looking for a move in the summer anyone else massively regretting buying Sanchez.

3.) 31 May 2018 09:30:52
Havent seen those Griezman rumours but its always struck me as odd that JM hasn't kept him in the frame . obviously wanted him and by all accounts we were close to getting him - now he is "available" again, human nature says JM just suddenly would not be interested in him -yes we got RL "instead" Fergie always wanted Batistuta, Van Persie, Lewondowski . so I can imagine JM has always considerd Griezeman as one that got away.

Griezeman meets EDS galatico policy and JM likes him a lot. so its not completely impossible just very doubtful to me.

Martial leaving puts a new slant on it all, if that's what happens this summer as the lad seems unsettled.

4.) 31 May 2018 10:03:11
Martial keeps his counsel very close to his chest too which I do like. Has he been quoted anywhere saying he is keen to leave or indeed stay?

5.) 31 May 2018 10:45:29
First time I've heard of kohler so well done to them.

6.) 31 May 2018 23:44:33
Read the Kohler would like a partnership with Koke also.



12 Nov 2017 07:06:11
I just seen that we're linked with a move for Asensio. I would have thought he'd be one of the key men in the Madrid rebuild over the next few years.


1.) 12 Nov 2017 12:41:31
didnt he sign a new contract in the summer with a ridiculous buyout clause?

2.) 12 Nov 2017 13:38:11
I think if he is available he would be moving to Barcelona but itd be stupid to sell him as he is as big talent as Mbappe.



20 Aug 2017 00:13:28
Steady improvement is all you can ask for in football. We've improved the squad with some quality players. Our attacking players have hit the ground running, 4 different scorers today. Last year we were grinding out 1-0's always looking like we were capable of conceding late. I know it's early days but when we go up against the little piggies who built their house out of brick, we won't huff and puff, we just kick the front door in!

We have options from the bench. We have different combinations in midfield depending on the opposition. Maybe lacking a back up striker and a full back but we have players who could fill in for shirt periods of time.

The old cliché rings true. Take each game as they come. We have pace, power, guile, height attacking set pieces. A mixed bag to cause any team problems. A couple more of those results and the fear factor will well and truly be back!


1.) 20 Aug 2017 09:52:45
Omg I just said a similar thing to this Mumbles. That we need a fullback predominantly right I think. That we need a right forward. Don't forget Martial and Rushford can play central of we get an injury to Lukaku. But I agree two more would be great. Although it'll be hard I think.

2.) 20 Aug 2017 11:55:48
Totally agree, the signs are good. Two different games and the same result, if we can do this against good opposition as well then we will romp the league. Punishing teams is a great thing because it will scare teams when they go a goal down, recent seasons opponents always thought they could win from a goal down or at least draw - now they may fear a pasting if they open up - nice to give opposition something to think about for once as it has been too easy for managers to know how to set-up against us and exactly how we will play.

3.) 20 Aug 2017 13:20:03
I think its the left back sydney, not right. Blind looked like he didn't want the ball yesterday and usually passes backwards.

4.) 20 Aug 2017 13:41:02
Nonsense. Blind was always an option and played well.

5.) 20 Aug 2017 13:50:17
Granted his delivery yesterday was not perfect, but defensively he was excellent again and always offers an outlet.

6.) 20 Aug 2017 14:05:09
I like Blind a lot he always tries has an excellent football brain and can pass well but and it is a big but. he is not fast and most right wingers or attacking fullbacks beat him. He will be targeted and against the better teams he will cost us goals if played against left back.

7.) 20 Aug 2017 17:03:51
Eric - Not sure how you can say it's 'nonsense' when most fans agree with the point. Blind is a passenger, he offered zero going forward. Every time he got the ball he passed it backwards or inside, never gave an option for the wide player, no overlaps and he was frequently letting the ball bounce in the box or was lucky to escape being flat footed when balls came in. We won despite Blind, not because of Blind.

It's very similar when Rojo plays out there. I find myself simply hoping for an average performance, because the alternative is disaster. Most other teams have full backs that are great assets and support the attackers, Blind can't offer that because he is very slow and by committing forward (where he offers little) he is exposing himself to a counter attack because he couldn't catch treacle.

Sad but true, he is not good enough as a full back and against good teams we would get punished.

8.) 20 Aug 2017 18:38:55
didn't rashford start off as a right winger? maybe try him there with martial on the left, but martial reminds me of olly comes off bench and does brill.

9.) 20 Aug 2017 20:17:11
Ole didn't cost us in excess of 50 million.

10.) 20 Aug 2017 21:16:45
Beast mate, I think we'll be alright against the top teams. Jose likes the play a tight game somewhat defensive against better opposition. I think Herrera will come in for those big games. A midfield of him closing down and winning the ball back, Pogba further up marauding with a free pass and Matic being the insurance, I think that's the best midfield 3 in the league.

But my favourite part of the make up of the team is very much akin to the 90's united. We have the players to play with the ball on the deck if you want a game of football. We have physically imposing players if you want a battle. We have height to defend a last minute barrage into the box and we have the players with the guile to open up stubborn defences. And something tells me we aren't done in the transfer market either.

11.) 20 Aug 2017 21:21:17
yeah mark let's start trying to fit people in again. No!, let's get specialists in positions we need.

12.) 20 Aug 2017 22:53:09
Blind is a utility player - a defensive one. To criticise him for not bombing forward and neglecting his primary duties of defending is simply ridiculous. In case nobody saw, we kept another clean sheet with him at left back. He tackled well, was solid, and never gave any of their players a sniff?

Two games in, we have scored 8 and conceded 0 yet there are those on here never happy - Beast mate you being a Primary culprit. Enjoy the moment - may not happen again all season! Thankfully Jose doesn't take any of our master tactical analaysis or transfer knowledge on board and picks a team for each match he thinks will win us marches. His career record speaks for itself so I'll leave it to him and enjoy watching us play fun football for the first time in years again.

13.) 20 Aug 2017 23:15:40
Totally agree about Blind. He doesn't offer anything going forward always cuts back and is afraid to overlap because he knows he can't get back quick enough if it breaks down. His crossing is very poor and they are always from deep, hopefully shaw can come back and find some form, wouldn't like to see blind starting against any if our rivals.

14.) 21 Aug 2017 12:16:18
Blind is not pacy enough to be a specialist left back, but when Shaw returns he'll take that slot, and help Rashford in the process. However, he is still a great utility player to call upon, whether in that position, centre half or defensive midfielder.

Gary Neville wasn't the fastest, but he could read the game and was rarely caught out of position. Blind is a very intelligent player, and from what I've seen of him, he rarely gets into a position where he has to run one on one with a winger.

15.) 21 Aug 2017 17:39:03
Blind rarely let's us down. What he lacks in pace he makes up in positioning and reading of the game. Also tidy on the ball.
A very good back up and utility player for me.
Doesn't deserve th stick.



09 Jul 2017 17:11:39
Evening Ed. We're all pretty up to date with the potential incoming signings. In regards to the potential outgoing players it all seems a bit quiet. We know there's interest from Italy from Darmain and Rooney has left. With Lindelof arriving, I'd imagine one of Jones, Smalling and Rojo being surplus to requirements. Do you know if the club is willing to look at offers for these players?

You've said we're interested in a right back and a left back. Seemingly if we did get Semedo, him and Valencia would share the position until it would eventually go to Semedo full time. But the left back position was chopped and changed so much last year. Is Shaw in danger of being sold? Has he any suitors? I'd imagine his high wages and fee being an issue for a prospective buyer.

Sorry to overload on one post but is there any interest in Blind? I could see him potentially going.

And last but not least. Martial is the big one. Is there interest in him and is Jose willing to part with him.

Very much appreciated mate!


{Ed002's Note - I have dealt with all of this before and it hasn't changed much:
Matteo Darmian
Marcus Rojo
Phil Jones (may not survive the planned Summer cull)
Ashley Young (Summer)
Michael Carrick (will not get a new contract unless no replacement is available in the Summer - else a one year extension)
Wayne Rooney (if Griezmann/Perisic signs)
De Gea (possibly out Summer but a dependency on Real Madrid renewing interest)
Sergio Romero (possibly - might depend on what happens with De Gea)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Luke Shaw
Ander Herrera (will stay after patching up the issue)
Juan Mata (possibly - maybe probably later in the window)

1.) 09 Jul 2017 18:19:36
Thanks loads for updated info Ed!

2.) 09 Jul 2017 18:23:52
I for one would be really peed off if mata was sold.

He is a class player and when he plays he is one of only a few who get the team ticking.

Ed can I ask what was the issue with Herrera?

{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}

3.) 09 Jul 2017 19:29:46
Ed002, with you having Rooney going with Griezmann or Perisic coming in, does that mean Perisic is a done or close to being done deal with them already letting Rooney go?
I think he'd be a brilliant signing!

{Ed002's Note - No, don't read stuff in to everything.}

4.) 09 Jul 2017 19:33:36
Herrera told the media that the City game was our biggest game of the season, Jose was playing it as just another three points.

Like every manager when dealing with the media you don't go off script and contradict them. They have since kissed and made up, but I suspect Pogba might be made captain rather than Herrera because of this issue.

5.) 09 Jul 2017 20:33:16
Herrera and Barcelona talk whilst on international duty was the reason jose was p'd off I believe.
Inter haven't been offered enough cash is the Perisic situation.

6.) 09 Jul 2017 20:15:02
lads, save the date and time of the above post and anyone who asks the same question, this week, next week or the weeks after, let them know where to find it. As much as all the banter is good, i generally scan through to find the eds reply. i'd imagine others are the same, the search function is great if you have time, but some of us don't, so perhaps a gentle hint in the exact direction by regular visitors would alleviate the constant requests the eds have to put up with. i'd be gutted if Mata left too.

7.) 09 Jul 2017 21:36:33
The search function is great, but an answer to the same question 2 weeks ago isn't likely to be the same now with how fast situations are moving and changing daily.

If Perisic doesn't happen because we won't match their valuation, does anyone know of the alternatives we might go for?

8.) 09 Jul 2017 21:55:27
Emil forsberg, but a deal is highly unlikely!

9.) 09 Jul 2017 22:36:37
That would be amazing, he was a machine last season. If inter won't accept 45m for Perisic might be better offering that for Fosberg. Think a few 30m bids went in for him a bit ago.

10.) 10 Jul 2017 09:42:04
I believe with purchase of Lindelof, Blind would be moved back to midfiled as direct replacement to Carrick. So it's difficult to see if smalling is sold.

11.) 10 Jul 2017 13:48:11
Blind a direct replacement for Carrick? Daley Blind? Wow.

Wouldn't bother me if any of them left, Mata is a nice bloke but doesn't cut it on the pitch, too weak and too slow for a Jose team, I really like him and don't mind if he stays but doubt he will be first choice and shouldn't be.



02 Feb 2016 21:45:14
Giggsy off to Celtic?


1.) 02 Feb 2016 21:57:40
I read he was home ill.

2.) 02 Feb 2016 22:19:04
It's rubbish.




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17 Sep 2018 16:55:34
Another tricky away fixture navigated well on the weekend. A game of two halves if there was ever one. Iv seen people complain about how Jose set up in the second half but I think he managed the game well. We were well deserved to be 2 up at half time and could have been more.

We maybe sat back a bit early in the second half but we had more than enough chances in the second half to finish it off, our forwards were just making poor decision's in the final third. It's not easy on the old ticker sitting back in the last few moments of a game but we thoroughly deserved a win.

On a side note Ed001, this site seems to die down when we win and when we lose its post after post. Does the traffic normally get heavier when a team loses? Even on the other sites?


{Ed001's Note - yes mate, people have more stuff to say when a team loses on all sites.}

1.) 17 Sep 2018 18:04:16
Mumbles, good post. Good game to be honest. I think a game limited to a bad batch of about 15 minutes. And that's a good Watford team, one who will cause many problems.

I think since our game against spurs we have been much more direct in our play. We are still prone to missing too many chances but I think that will change over time. In this team, it will also be nice to have rashford back in there as I believe he will thrive a lot more in a more potent attack.

Big mentions to fellaini and smalling, both had fantastic games.

2.) 17 Sep 2018 18:33:23
Agreed Angel. Our performances are scrutinised more than others. If we win ugly, it's "we play terrible football". If we win comfortably it's "it was only *insert team here*".

Games eb and flow and we need to more clinical and put games to bed earlier. I agree that we have been better going forward the last few games but make no bones about it, Jose isn't afraid to park the bus to ensure 3 points.

Last 24 game's we've scored first we've one them all.

3.) 17 Sep 2018 18:59:16
This is how far we have fallen - getting excited about beating the Watford whipping boys. We should be beating this relation fodder 5 nil at least, not scraping a lucky 2 - 1 win. Lukaku's goal was just lucky, coming of his guys and Smallings was just a fluke. Watford missed 8 easy chances and should have has 3 penalties.
We are Man It's, and I expect more. I want more. And I want it now.

4.) 17 Sep 2018 19:17:34
Haha betty, nail on the head.

5.) 17 Sep 2018 19:23:22
Betty. No team has any given right to be putting 5 past any team.

{Ed025's Note - i think bettys irony is lost on you RW mate.. :)

6.) 17 Sep 2018 19:55:59
Brilliant as ever Betty even with the odd (20ish) spelling mistakes, I think I got the general gist 😂.

7.) 17 Sep 2018 20:07:25
Of course I am being ironic - some may just call it sarcastic.
But Mumbles' second post was spot on - we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. It would be nice to see a little more appreciation to a good result and decent performance, but instead we just seem a o concentrate on being envious of Liverpool and City.

8.) 17 Sep 2018 20:29:24
Good post mumbles its becoming a habit👍
2 away wins pretty effective.
Ysome will say effective but not pretty.
Momentum is everything if we can win 4 more games in a row we will chip away at the gap.
Fellaini has done all asked of him in the last 2 games.
So has smalling he was our 1st choice cb all last season and he deserves ro be in the team.
Sanchez looking a bit lost not lacking effort but not looking very dangerous.
Ddg showing exactly what top class is.

9.) 17 Sep 2018 21:06:17
Awful isn't it GDS - quite embarrassed reading it back. I am sure auto correct changes things after it has been sent on my tablet - I certainly didn't sent with in saying Man It's instead of Man Utd.

10.) 17 Sep 2018 22:02:37
My bad Betty 😂.

11.) 18 Sep 2018 08:36:00
Betty, you might be trying to be funny but City beat them 6-0 at Vicarage Road last season.

12.) 18 Sep 2018 10:04:54
MancMan - Watford have also beaten Spurs there recently, and beat Chelsea 4-1 there earlier in the year. But neither of these results are any more or less relevant than the 6 - 0 City game.

Perhaps we should just concentrate on United rather than being a voyeur to City and Liverpool?

13.) 18 Sep 2018 12:57:46
Good point well made Betty.

14.) 18 Sep 2018 13:48:17
Sorry Betty and Ken but I don't agree. City, Chelsea and Liverpool are setting the standard right now so we should pay attention to how they are going about it.

There are two obvious differences between them and us. They all play high tempo, attacking football and they assert their game on the opposition rather than starting on the back foot with tactics designed to negate the threat of the opposition.

We should be doing the same rather than gazing at our own navel as you seem to be suggesting.

15.) 18 Sep 2018 15:45:25
Manc- I get where you are coming from and I would also like to see us playing a more attractive and attacking brand of football. But I want to see us doing that because it is our way of playing, not because other teams do it. Ultimately, most of us want the same thing and that is United playing well and winning. But I don't want us to be anyone else.
Of course what other teams do does matter, but I really do not care what other teams do. And when United do play well and win, a little recognition would help. Unfortunately, this thread started off by highlighting the fact that even our own fans have a strange refusal to acknowledge a decent result and performance.
My first reply may well have been ironic, or even sarcastic but in all honesty it is not too different to some genuine serious posts that are put up after we win games.
Like Mumbles said, if we don't play well but win, the football is awful. If we lose, the football is awful - irrespective of how we have actually played. And if we play well and win, its because it was 'only' Watford or Burnley etc. Hence the damned if we do and damned if we don't bit.

16.) 18 Sep 2018 16:48:33
Fantastic post Betty. Likewise mumbles, I enjoy reading your posts. Always balanced and well thought out.

17.) 18 Sep 2018 18:44:39
Manc man i agree that our football is not a great watch at the moment. I also agree its folly to ignore our opposition but that was not what betty posted.
You have given up going to games and that's your chioce. If its pure football entertainment you want buy a season ticket for city.
Even though i have issues with the manager some playing staff and the board i will still watch every game and go to as many as possible.
Everybody supports tje club in thier own way. I don't support them to be entertained all the time (although it would be nice) i support the club because its a way of life for me.
Ill often not particularly like certain players managers coaches or whatever but ill never not watch out of choice. But i respect your right to and your reasons for not going. I understand your frustrations. But ill always try to find fault with the opposition not glorify them the way some do. Yes i'm biased but show me a supporter who isn't.

18.) 18 Sep 2018 17:45:37
Mumbles, when we lose, i post as I'm annoyed, when we win, i post to say well done. So I'm not sure if people do the same.

19.) 18 Sep 2018 20:49:18
But we haven't had any good performances for a long time so how can anybody praise what doesn't exist. There have been some decent moments and some reasonable results but that's about it and that's been the case for about six years now. Six years!

So, I don't think it's fair to mock posters here who are thoroughly pigged off and don't see much to be positive about because even when we win it's a waste of time watching it and I strongly resent that there is so little joy to be had.

The most depressing part is that it didn't have to be this way. The club could have appointed a manager or managers who would entertain the fans and bring success. They still can. We could have been having the footballing time of our lives for the last six years like they are at City and are starting to have at Liverpool and now Chelsea.

I guess I'm just jealous because other teams are fun to watch and we are not. My City and Liverpool supporting friends are full of football joy and you can probably tell that I am not.

Betty/ Ken, I wish I could soldier on like you are doing but I feel like I'm being had for a mug. It's like the club are saying "we can serve the supporters up any old crap and they'll keep coming and spending their time and money so why should we bother giving them a decent product". It's an abuse of their position. If Old Trafford was half empty every week and it was made clear that it was because the football wasn't worth watching, you can be sure that they'd start putting on some football worth turning up for.

I also kind of resent supporters like yourselves who keep going week after week because that legitimises this rubbish and tells the club they can carry on regardless. I super resent being told that if I want entertainment I should go and watch City. For the money and time required to go to watch Utd we should expect entertainment at OT as well. I mean is this what it has come to? You're telling me that if I want to see an entertaining game of football I have to go and watch one of our main rivals? Have you heard yourself?

Of course, it's your right to do whatever you want but by accepting this mediocrity you make it much more unlikely we will see any improvement.

I've obviously gone off on one here so I'll finish by apologising if I have gone too far. I don't mean to offend anyone and I promise I haven't been drinking but I feel passionately about this.

20.) 18 Sep 2018 22:30:22
Manc, I sense you frastration mate! Look, I am not trying to convince anyone that our football is exciting. It has been boring and lacklustre all too often. I actually agree with a lot of what you say, I would just like to see a bit more of a balanced view on here some times (not you personally) that's all. Everyone has their own views and opinions, and you certainly shouldn't need the feel the need to apologise for voicing yours. I am not trying to change anyone's opinion - just wanting people to acknowledge the good as well as the bad.

21.) 18 Sep 2018 23:00:07
No need to apologise mancman.
I rezpect yiur views i know like me you are of a good age and remember all the lean years. Sexton and the boredom of it and liverpool winning year after year.
Its not great at the moment nobody disputes that.
You are totally entitled to support the club your way but you shouldn't resent the way others support the club.
There are lots of differing views on here. Some i agree with some i dont. Your no different mate.

22.) 19 Sep 2018 09:26:44
MancMan, you've hit the nail on the head. You are absolutely right in everything you say. I feel exactly the same. Even when we win, like we did at Watford, we played very well in the 1st half, then came out in the 2nd half and the words if our manager must have been, keep it tight, don't take and risks, make sure you win. Instead, the manager should be saying, go out there, play with energy and aggression, exploit any holes they'll be leaving behind amd let's score another goal to finish them. In the end, we had to thank ddg for making a world class save to secure the win. We will win NOTHING with that attitude. Its a coward's way of playing.
So like you, i don't see why we should celebrate a mediocre win over Watford. And like you, i look at City, Liverpool with envious and angry eyes, as we should have this type of football if the owners and the board had done their homework properly when Fergie retired.

23.) 19 Sep 2018 12:28:35
Why do the owners care. They're all about making the money and as long as that's coming in they're happy. They only got the cash out after a couple of years of underachievement risking the champions league money. Now the brakes are going on again.

{Ed002's Note - The club did do it's homework and had a plan thatw as ruined by the toxic fans - this has been done to death. The fans that did the damage are the ones that need to take the responsibility for derailing the very ggod plans that were in place.}

24.) 19 Sep 2018 15:04:27
Yes Ed002 we all know about the toxic fans; those despicable customers who dared to complain because they were being served a pile of doo dah every week for years. What were they thinking to expect something worthwhile for their hard earned time and money. So unreasonable of them.

Betty/ Ken, thanks for the feedback. I'm pleased I've not upsetting anyone, even when I feel I might be quite direct and abrasive. I disagree strongly with many on this site but it's fun to have a ding dong and I respect all the posters and their views.

{Ed002's Note - Good, so you and they should all be happy with the outcome they have now.}

25.) 19 Sep 2018 17:17:58
Absolutely Ed002, as I made clear in my long rant on this thread I'm in football Nirvana. Thanks MUFC for the thrills, spills and sheer edge of the seat entertainment we have received from your appointment of Moyes, LVG and now Jose. Thank goodness we missed out on the total attacking football Alegri would have brought, it would have made me so giddy I think I might have exploded.

{Ed002's Note - You biggest fear should be what happens if West Ham get to Big Sam before Manchester United. Alan Pardew would not be interested but Glenn Roeder is now available.}



12 Sep 2018 17:11:51
Ed002, do you think the Barcelona V Girona game will go ahead in miami? The only reason I'm asking here and not on the La Liga page, is if it does, I don't see the Premier League missing out on a cash cow like a few games abroad.

It doesn't sit with me right that a league game could be played in a neutral ground. That's the beauty of the league. There's no quams about the winners because technically there's no advantage.

Is this something the Premier League is seriously considering?


{Ed002's Note - I think it unlikely that the Girona - Barcelona will happen in Miami and the Spanish Football Federation are not taking kindly to their not being involved in discussions or negotiations before the clubs asking for approval. Ex-Hamilton Academicals player Luis Rubiales is vehemently against it and has clashed publically with La Liga over their already having agreed and signing a contract to allow it to happen.

In terms of the Premier League, the idea of an additional round of games - the 39th game, being played outside of England has been on and off thge cards for getting on for 15 years. Richard Scudamore has always advocated it but the Premier League clubs would need to vote and there has been a sufficient backlash from clubs that means it would never get through on the 70% rule - although the PL are slowly shifting toward a simple majority rule now.

It has been suggested that it could stop an eventual Pan European Breakaway but that would not be the case - it doesn't even enter in to considerations for those 21 clubs discussing that. Of the Premier League clubs who have given support to it in the past, I doubt any would do so now without understanding a great deal more about any proposals. The English PFA were against it, but would not have consulted the players in making that decision. FIFA were always against it under Blatter but Infantino is compelled by the thought of opening the game up further. There are plans to expanded the International Champions Cup and FIFA want to really get involved but the clubs are far from convinced. UEFA are desparate to stop the breakaway hence the alternatives being offered and new ideas that keep coming up. Much of the problem will remain unresolved without the support of the "elite" sides who remain intent on doing whatever they deem to be best for themselves.

There was an option on the table for leagues to agree to play a pre-season game elsewhere and there was support for that from many of the leagues - but the English Premier League had already struck a deal which meant the English would have to be played in Asia and a lot of clubs were sponsored by companies who would have objected.}

1.) 12 Sep 2018 20:48:25
Great stuff ed002. Thanks a million. You've been talking about the pan-European league now for awhile, youve a better success rate than Nostramdus for predictions. This break away league doesn't sit well with me at all.

You always said that the league would have to break away from Uefa and Fifa and players would be banned from internationals. With what seems to be the slow death of international football, I don't she that as a big enough threat to stop players breaking away.

For arguments sake, let's say the breakaway league starts tomorrow? Would the teams involved run the league like a co-op, or would the whole thing be owned by a private investor?

Would the fans really want to see a breakaway league?

{Ed002's Note - It would require a new league to be formed and FIFA would use the threat of excluding players from International competition for their countries. UEFA is in a different position as it is potentially crippling for them - hence the alternate approaches being encouraged, the discussions with the “Elite” group and attempts to expand the Champions League. The clubs plan to run the league themselves and would vote in a management and administration collective to deal with issues all leagues need to face. Many fans would be supportive of such a league and would like to see games involving the higher profile clubs on a regular basis.}

2.) 12 Sep 2018 21:51:05
Fair play Mumbles, very articulated questions and Ed your answers make us all understand what could be a complex situation. I for one wouldn’t like a breakaway, there is something beautiful about going to Huddersfield away and being drawn against Yeovil in the cup. Do you still see the pan European breakaway happening and if so what timescale are we looking at Ed? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - The clubs discussed some specifics a couple of weeks ago when they met, but there was no lengthy discussion due to other issues clogging up the agenda. In terms of timescales, I think later rather than sooner. There remains only three sides that want to push for an early move.}

3.) 12 Sep 2018 22:06:54
Any chance of a list of teams that attend these meetings? Is it a fixed list or are all the big European teams that don't have a seat at the table trying to get one?

{Ed002's Note - It is a fixed group, there is no plan to change it at this time.}

4.) 13 Sep 2018 01:42:39
If the premier league want a game in the USA or somewhere, I don’t get why they don’t just take the community shield game over there. In fairness we over here really don’t care about it anyway, so why not take a “cup final” over there.?

{Ed001's Note - probably because they have to make Wembley profitable. The Spanish equivalent, their Super Cup, was played abroad this year.}

5.) 13 Sep 2018 01:26:25
Wouldn't away support be a problem after the novelty had worn off after a season or so? Having to travel to Spain, Italy, Germany etc every other week, flights, getting accommodation, probably having to take Mondays off if your games on a Sunday, it would get bloody pricy doing that regularly!

{Ed002's Note - That is a very insular view. England is in real terms a very small country and supporters in may other countries mange perfectly well when following their teams. For most Manchester United supporters they live with both Heathrow and Gatwick on the doorstep with plentiful cheap flights available to most of the destinations involved. For you and I we could ride the rails to Exeter and then jump a flight to Spain, Portugal and France as easily as Newcastle or indeed Manchester. The pleasure of an Exeter to Bergerac flight, catching a game at the rather unusual new Girondins de Bordeaux stadium, a nice meal and a bottle of red back in Bergerac before an easy flight home seems way more attactive than say a visit to Manchester.}

6.) 13 Sep 2018 10:40:33
Like a nice bottle of Vin Rouge then Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Rarely.}

7.) 14 Sep 2018 10:50:22
I'd rather go to old Trafford in the rain or snow. I'd actually rather go to Millwall than go to those destinations with the prawn sandwich brigade.
I'd get more enjoyment watching a good game of football down my local park.

{Ed002's Note - That is fine - there are plenty of others who would no doubt be interesting in supporting the club if you feel unable to do so because of the sandwiches.}



30 Jul 2018 16:03:49
I peruse a few United forums and this one is my favourite. This community has its personalities, its normally a great place to spend some free time during the day, but the last few weeks have been unbearable, the negativity is astounding.

Jose is judged differently than any other manager. He simply cannot win. Buys Mkhitaryan, swaps him 18 months later for Sanchez. The uproar of how he's wasting our money, how he throws players under the bus. St Pep buys Bravo, one year later replaces him with Ederson. Wow, Pep is a genius. What an astute signing.

A poster further down the page noted that pep has signed 20 players, Jose has signed 8 or 9. A few of you used that and a stick to beat Jose with.

He always plays boring football. Comebacks against Chelsea and City. The ease at which we beat Liverpool at Old Trafford, the dismantling of Arsenal at the Emirates. The four games at the start of the season. Comebacks against Palace and Watford. They're just the stand out games. But it's all boring isn't it?

In the 19 league games we scored first, we went on to win all 19. That's not a "park the bus" manager, that's a world class manager earning his corn.

Finished the league ahead of the best attacking team in the world Liverpool. We finished ahead of the best manager in the world Poch. We finished behind the record breaking City who recorded 100 points, a tally that no premier league team has ever set. A team that in two years spent well over £300 million on defenders alone.

But he doesn't play kids! Second only to Arsenal for academy graduates getting minutes. Mctominay has done well and played in some big games. Rashford played a lot, so to Lingard.

The same doom and gloomers are the ones that yearn for Poch. A manager that has won zero trophies. A manager who can't get extremely talented Spurs side near a trophy. The same fans that lost it when we signed Matic and Chelsea signed Bakayoko.

I am a Mourinho fan but he doesn't help himself at times. The Sevilla game was atrocious. The style of football can be turgid and rigid.

His carrot and stick routine could definitely use an upgrade. I can see what he's doing when he confronts players. He wants them to rise above and prove him wrong. Sometimes he goes overboard but that's the way he's gotten his success.

Jose is a smart man. Everything he does and says is for a reason. Regardless of whether or not you think he cares about the club, what you can guarantee is he cares about winning. He's picking a fight with the board because he wants players so we can challenge for the title.

The fact is, he has improved us. In every way you can calculate improvement, he has done it. Get him what he wants and he will deliver.

It's time to take a hiatus from this wonderful site. The negative ones have Jose in their sights. There is no escape!

Take care folks!


{Ed004's Note - Very well written and argued post. Puts a lot into perspective. I'd like to add one more point. No other manager is scrutinised as much as Jose is both in the press and by the FA. We have seen other managers push assistants, make political statements and verbally assault referees without even a slap on the wrist. Whereas, Jose gets a ban for having his foot on the pitch (an offence other managers have committed to no punishment). Additionally, whatever is said in the media is magnified or even blatantly lied about like some of the quotes this week. Lastly, there's blatantly a different narrative with the way in which managers treat players. Stones didn't get a look in at the end of the season after Pep yet again spent 50 odd million on another defensive minded player. Yet there was no articles screaming for Stones to move on to fulfil his potential like there was for Rashford who has made more appearances under Jose than any other player (If memory serves me correctly)}

1.) 30 Jul 2018 16:16:31
Great post. Agree 100%. Wish I could like it more than once.

2.) 30 Jul 2018 16:22:34
That’s a great post Mumbles, I’m not a fan of Jose but as I have said a couple of times, people get entrenched and defend a position, everything is black and white. I had a word with myself to try and be balanced but I guess passions run high. As I said on an earlier reply, I think we’ll do just fine when everyone is back.

My main beef with Jose is his public demeanour, I’m a great believer in culture and values and he projects negativity far too often for me. I just think it will have a definite effect on the players. Lighten up man!

3.) 30 Jul 2018 16:35:39
Very well said Mumbles. and Edoo4. I confess to over reacting after the 2nd pre season game, and getting frustrated by Jose's moaning. But after a calming break and after thinking about what Ed002 says about the man, I am back on his side. I don't think it is just Jose that gets treated differently by the media, it is United in general, they love us to fail so they can write there garbage. let's as fans support everything United and not get sucked into their nonsense. I also think the doubters maybe surprised as the season gets going.

{Ed004's Note - I would slightly alter what I said and think you're correct in saying United in general. When we are winning it's spun negatively to emphasise that we are destroying football and when we lose it's highlighted even further. You wouldn't think the shocking and dissappointing Manutd side finished above the majestic and exciting Liverpool side last season. Hasn't helped that our current legend seem to attack us at nearly every opportunity. Never mind opposition legends. Has souness ever made a positive comment on Pogba? He truly despises the guy no matter what he does}

4.) 30 Jul 2018 16:53:14
Some good arguments mumbles, mourinho is many times judged unfairly and is criticized far more than other but also a lot curating of facts to suit your arguments.

No one was sad to see mkhi leave or criticized mourinho for buying sanchez, most just wanted him to played on the right and so as not to screw over martial or rashford and mess up our already poor attack, criticism started when mourinho proceeded to do what most did not want and it failed spectacularly as sanchez performed as badly as a footballer can possibly perform. Also what St. Pep did was correct his mistake, what mourinho has done atleast on available evidence is compounding it, big difference isn't it.

handful of games cherry picked over the course of a 2 seasons does not prove anything, also was this dismantling of arsenal the game where we scored 2 early goals after which arsenal proceeded to basically lay siege to our goal and ddg had to make record no of saves in a game to save our bacon, not exactly the game i would want a manager taking credit for is it? Our play over the course of the season was rubbish and mourinho's anfield game tactics were at the root of it all.

Also why is it that specific managers are compared on specific criteria? Pep won trophies and accolades because he spent more money than mourinho, but klopp and pochetino didn't spend anywhere near as mou, atleast until this season, so why criticize them for it. You can't have your cake and eat it too my friend.

5.) 30 Jul 2018 16:50:28
AJH, you can tell that Jose doesn't like the media. He's hostile towards them and looks bereft of life when talking to them. You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain. Jose was the breath of fresh air when he arrived in England. Now he's the anti-Christ. The darlings are Klopp and Pep. They can do no wrong.

Iv seen footage of Uniteds training over the last couple of weeks and when Jose is around the team, he seems in good spirits. Before one of the training sessions he walked around joking with most of the team but that doesn't fit the narrative.

A few players and him played football with a load of kids today. Iv only see need pictures but you can tell he's having fun. He quotes about how it's great having so many young players on tour, great for them and great for him and coaches to get to know them a bit better. No website or publication lead with those quotes.

I think the guy you see in interviews and press conference's is completely different to the guy who the players deal with day to day.

A lot of the print media are vermin. And should be treated likewise.

6.) 30 Jul 2018 17:12:07
Fantastic read mumbles. Sums up my thoughts exactly at this present moment.

7.) 30 Jul 2018 17:29:10

I genuinely hope every person who has posted in the last week reads your post and takes something from it, I would love to give you a pat on the back as I think it is one of the best posts I have ever seen on here, well argued, sensible points, no sarcasm, enjoyed it.

8.) 30 Jul 2018 17:34:01
Brilliant post mumbles.

9.) 30 Jul 2018 17:35:54
Mumbles why take a break from posting mate. You post a lot of sense imo. Just because others want to vent their frustrations or havee differing onions to ours doesn't make them right.
Its funny old the people moaning a iut jose's moaning are actually more repediti e and more negatibe than jose himself imo.
Ajh says people are entrenched in their views. I am as are others. Then some people don't know what they want and just make noise for the sake of it. laugh them off pal.

10.) 30 Jul 2018 17:39:21

You can add Jamie Redknapp and John Aldridge into that pot also. Redknapp wrote 3 articles on the sly website between January and the end of the season on why Rashford should leave United.
As for Aldridge, he is just a bitter muppet. He has a page in the Sunday World here in Ireland. Can’t go a week without a dig thrown in somewhere.
Just two of many.

{Ed004's Note - Exactly, it's an easy target to slag United players and the club. It sells papers as it gets a reaction. Non-united fans love to leave it and United fans get wound up and bite}

11.) 30 Jul 2018 18:08:44
Ken, I appreciate their posts. As I said, the reason this site is so good is that everyone has an opinion and is actually pleasant about it. I'm actually really looking forward to the start of the season and the doom and gloomers areally harshening my buzz . Some people could have Margot Robbie sitting on their lap and they'd be moaning about the rain outside!

12.) 30 Jul 2018 18:20:22
Some would have Margot Robbie on there lap and all they would talk about are out full backs.

13.) 30 Jul 2018 18:21:37

Well done, sometimes feels there are too few of us supporting the manager so I would say stay and give your views. If the owners support him with the right level of player he will deliver.

14.) 30 Jul 2018 19:05:02
But there will also be the laps Margot wouldn't sit on at all jred in case you bored her to sleep😂
She might avoid noucamp in case she ended up in hand cuffs
Ajh is still getting over blind and Margot wouldn't like that.
Leahy is from cork so Margot knows better than to sit on his lap in case he picks her pocket😂
Beast would be avoided due the the violent past of mrs beast.
666 couldn't have her as he has ed001 on his lap.
Redman's hips couldn't take the strain at his age😂
Slim pickings for Margot on this page.

15.) 30 Jul 2018 19:06:13
Mumbles you the man. What a great post make sure you keep posting don't you dare leave us. Its posts like yours that makes me keep coming back for more time and time again. Im a massive Jose fan and I know everything he does has reason in the same way SAF and Cloughie used to get under the Journos skin. I still believe he will get maybe 3 new signings before the start of the season and blow all the doubters away.

16.) 30 Jul 2018 19:20:02
Interesting post mumbles. But i agree with Common Sense re some of the comments. I also agree with Ajh re Mourinho's terrible demeanour and constant whinning. It is pathetic.
A question for you, apart from Lingard (Mctominay came in and played a few games), but which first team player has actually improved under Mourinho?

17.) 30 Jul 2018 19:24:59
Post of the year mumbles.

18.) 30 Jul 2018 20:01:14
Brilliant post mumbles, utterly brilliant!

posts like that should be saved in a 'utd archive' so we can look back at them. in yrs to come.

19.) 30 Jul 2018 20:01:31
AAA, it's one of Jose's greatest qualities. Improving the number of goals conceded, improving the goals, improving the points total in the league without improving any players. He's a genius!

20.) 30 Jul 2018 20:18:02

😂😂😂 that made me laugh, funny.

Definitely keep posting, we need people fighting against the negativity on here, the season hasn’t even bloody started yet and the overreactions are embarrassing.

21.) 30 Jul 2018 20:23:36
It's getting worse, really scrapping the barrel 😉.

22.) 30 Jul 2018 20:29:31

I’ll step up if needed.

23.) 30 Jul 2018 23:25:33
We can't have our cake and eat it. If we're going to bum and blow about being the biggest team in the world, then we have to expect most of the media attention, good or bad. Who gives two sh1tes about what other people say about us?



27 Jul 2018 14:59:28
Evening ed002, hope all is well. Is it true that if Spurs activate a year extension on Alderwierelds contract, that that triggers a £25 million release clause?


{Ed002's Note - I would not think so.}

1.) 27 Jul 2018 15:19:22
This seems to be a rumour that's rampant. Thanks for clearing it up!

2.) 27 Jul 2018 15:43:54
It would mean 25 million next summer if the article has any truth.



17 Jul 2018 16:12:10
There's still plenty of time left in the transfer window and we've identified quality targets. But what is worrying is what seems to be the club's haphazard way of recruiting.

Since Fergie retired 5 years ago we have bought and sold, Valdez, Blind, Di Maria, Schweinstieger, Schneiderlin, Depay, Mkhitaryan and Zlatan. And there are those who the club are willing to let leave like, Pogba, Martial, Shaw, Rojo, Darmain amongst others.

We're in the midst of a power struggle. You either bend the knee to Jose and give him the players that he wants, even if some of them won't have any resale value ie Perisic. Or you get a manager in that has a long term vision for the club. We seem to be stuck in the middle.

I get that some of the players that left weren't exactly title winning quality but we don't seem to have a plan in place that goes beyond this current window.

Cards on the table, I do think Jose is the man to win us a league title but at what price? He has a problem with our best defender in Bailey, has a problem with our best midfielder in Pogba. Interesting few weeks ahead, because we know what Jose is like when he doesn't get what he wants!


1.) 17 Jul 2018 17:08:42
Good post, made me think a bit. Interesting to reconsider players brought in and how they fit in with the manager's preferred style.

LVG's first year - he brought in Shaw, Herrera, Blind, Di Maria, Falcao, and Rojo. I don't blame him for trying Falcao, what a talent if healthy. Blind and Herrera fit his style well. Rojo did not, he's not really a ball-playing back, and Di Maria stands out as a poor fit. Great counter-attacking, direct, risk-taking player, but such a poor fit for LVG's possession style.

LVG's 2nd year - Martial, Depay, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Darmian. None have worked out. Martial for various reasons but still with great potential. Depay was too soon, Schweinsteiger was too late, Schneiderlin underachieved here, and Darmian struggled offensively in the EPL. But you could see how the center mids especially should have fit LVG's plan, esp. Schweinsteiger. But looking back, a very poor window.

Mourinho's first year - Bailly, Pogba, Zlatan, Mikhi. A different type of player, athletic and powerful, though Mikhi not as much. 6th place that year with 2 trophies. But I still think that was a good window. Zlatan did what he was brought in to do, and brought back some swagger to the club.

Last year - we brought in Lukau, Matic, Lindelof, and then Sanchez. Lukaku had a good season, whatever his faults may be. Matic was very good but may have fatigued later on. Lindelof had an up and down year but clearly could become very good if given the chance. Sanchez, to me, still makes no sense. All 4 you could say fit Mourinho's counterattcking style but Sanchez did not deliver and only slowed down Martial and Rashford.

The shift from LVG to Mourinho was a major one tactically. For me, that matters most in central midfield and up front. Mou will look for athletic players rather than technical types. Gundogan is a perfect example. We didn't want him, Pep did. The case of Mata is an interesting one as well. He doesn't seem to fit Mourinho's style, and his minutes went way down after Sanchez arrived.

I just wish Mourinho would let the team play on the front foot.




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21 Jul 2018 18:42:22
So excuses for everyone else but we couldn't possibly get any better?




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21 Jul 2018 16:29:12
That's surprising that the club won't see a swap as an option. It clearly worked out well when we traded Mkhitaryan and Sanchez.

With the way the prices for players is increasing exponentially, I would have thought player plus cash deals would become more common.




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18 Jul 2018 19:53:35
Do you honestly think we're going to lose money selling Pogba? Even with the way the market has inflated over the last two years since we've bought him. The lad has just had a brilliant world cup which he was an integral part of why they won it and you're suggesting we sell him off cheap so we can buy SMS for the same price?

I get that it's just an excerise to show how we can recycle the team and get us back to the top, but it's a tad silly.




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18 Jul 2018 19:31:04
Our midfield is fine. Fred replaces Carrick who barely played. We have options for a midfield two or three depending on the opposition.

Beast, we don't need that much surgery done at once. We need a top centre back, recruitment at left back and our defense will be good enough to challenge.

Our main problem is goals from the attacking supporting cast. Lukaku done well last year but I'll expect better in terms of goals. The rest of the forwards don't contribute enough in terms of goals. That's why Bale or a wide player that can get amongst the goals is paramount.

Lukaku was the only player to get into double figures. Martial scored 9, Lingard 8, Rashford 7, Mata 3 and Sanchez 2.

We already don't give too much away at the back and with an improved defense we could do even better. I like our midfield, they too could chip in with a few more but if we can get that one attacker in that can get us over the line against some of the trickier opponents in the league. I think we'd be able to challenge.

A centre back, a left back and a goal scoring winger and we're done!




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05 Jul 2018 16:40:54
I don't watch Serie A but having see Juventus in the Champions league a bit, Dybala has never warrented the hype he gets. I don't see it.





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17 Sep 2018 18:33:23
Agreed Angel. Our performances are scrutinised more than others. If we win ugly, it's "we play terrible football". If we win comfortably it's "it was only *insert team here*".

Games eb and flow and we need to more clinical and put games to bed earlier. I agree that we have been better going forward the last few games but make no bones about it, Jose isn't afraid to park the bus to ensure 3 points.

Last 24 game's we've scored first we've one them all.




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12 Sep 2018 22:06:54
Any chance of a list of teams that attend these meetings? Is it a fixed list or are all the big European teams that don't have a seat at the table trying to get one?


{Ed002's Note - It is a fixed group, there is no plan to change it at this time.}



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12 Sep 2018 20:48:25
Great stuff ed002. Thanks a million. You've been talking about the pan-European league now for awhile, youve a better success rate than Nostramdus for predictions. This break away league doesn't sit well with me at all.

You always said that the league would have to break away from Uefa and Fifa and players would be banned from internationals. With what seems to be the slow death of international football, I don't she that as a big enough threat to stop players breaking away.

For arguments sake, let's say the breakaway league starts tomorrow? Would the teams involved run the league like a co-op, or would the whole thing be owned by a private investor?

Would the fans really want to see a breakaway league?


{Ed002's Note - It would require a new league to be formed and FIFA would use the threat of excluding players from International competition for their countries. UEFA is in a different position as it is potentially crippling for them - hence the alternate approaches being encouraged, the discussions with the “Elite” group and attempts to expand the Champions League. The clubs plan to run the league themselves and would vote in a management and administration collective to deal with issues all leagues need to face. Many fans would be supportive of such a league and would like to see games involving the higher profile clubs on a regular basis.}



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12 Sep 2018 17:07:09
Ken, the silly boy is going to be sitting in the stands for the next 3 games.




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05 Sep 2018 13:37:54
Beast, you're asking a mam who has won trophies at every club he's been at. He wasn't fast tracked to the top, he started as a translator. He's earned his ticket to the top dance and for people to ask him to change everything he's done to get him here is naive.

I know as a united fan we expect attacking football, flying wingers, almost beating opponents into submission but would you look at this team and try and play "you have a shot, we have a shot"? . I certainly wouldn't. We're so wasteful in front of goal at times and that back 4 can be got at if the team isn't set up right.

Jose has wasted a fair amount of money on short term fixes and I can understand the club wary of loading the team with 29 year olds, but the man needs to be supported in the transfer window. People can throw out the £400 million we've spent in the last few years but that's the going rate.

I think everyone associated with the club is fumbling the ball at the minute. Jose definitely is at times with his hostile approach to certain players and bizarre demeanour. Woodward hasn't backed him the way a he should be backed if we have aspirations of winning the league. The players have been hit and miss and struggle to find consistency and a large portion of the fans have ramped up the pressure on the team and the Spurs game was evident of this. They have a right to by the way.

The problem is when things don't go to plan, everyone reverts to their default mode and Jose''s one isn't particularly nice or helpful at time's but that's what's got him where he is.

This isn't meant as a dig to you Beast but your default mode is one of pessimism. You could fine fault in anything and that's not necessarily a bad thing. You want the best, I want the best, we all do. But I know when I see a positive Beast post, it's refreshing but I know the regular Beast is lurking in the corner ready to come out to play when the rubbish hits the fan. My laboured point being, let Jose Jose and just enjoy the ride. He might change for a while but it won't last. He'll do a Jose and win us the league, or he'll do a Jose and go out with a big pay off in November.

I think the positivity of the fans really is a huge factor in our title aspirations. I just hope everyone can get behind the squad because it could be just want we need for the manager and the players to find that extra spark to really kick on. There's a world class manager in there and there is potentially a team that can beat any one their day.

What's the worst that can happen?