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05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.


1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.

2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.

3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.

4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.

5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?

6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?

7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .

Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .

8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.

9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.

10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.

11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.

12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'

13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.



30 Nov 2016 18:23:29
I cannot see us changing the manager under virtually any circumstances other than a complete capitulation. Without that Jose will be given the year. If we win the Europa and finish 8th in the league we will be in the Champions League. (I think we will finish 5th or 6th) . If we were to fire him then finding a new manager will be difficult except, of course, that failure = a big pay off when the contract is cancelled which may be something of a consolation.

A lot of the criticism is unfounded. The team has been playing quite well, just not getting the results. This brings us to Ibra. We all knew from the beginning that his role was a short term stop gap for a year or two while Martial and Rashford mature.

The last 3 years have been pretty dire by our standards, but at least this year the team is playing with attacking intent. Be grateful. At least that's the first of the complaints about LVG satisfied. In my view the anxiety of the fans is feeding into the players, so relax folks. Support the team and the manager and have hope.


1.) 30 Nov 2016 21:59:30
He is staying. Keep this simple.



29 Nov 2015 23:27:16
Another week goes by and the top teams struggle to win. City's scoreline flattered them, with their goals coming as much from errors by Southampton. It really has become a difficult league and our point at Leicester was not bad, all things considered. If Arsenal have Sanchez injured for a while their challenge may well falter, giving Liverpool and Spurs an opening. We have an opportunity to take advantage of what should be some winnable games and go into the new year on top. Will we take it?





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02 Sep 2017 12:51:13
I didn't watch the England game. What could possibly be interesting about playing Malta? It's either going to be dull and uninspired or a dull drubbing of a tiny nation. The only possible interest would be for a Malta fan if, for example, they were to do an Iceland on us. I'm sure the 50,000 Faroe Islanders were cock-a-hoop after beating Greece. But so what? Is the Faroe Islands ever really going to get to the finals?

We're 3 games in to a new club season. I'm sure all of us, including the players, would prefer not to have to be distracted by this meaningless venture, nor indeed to risk injury. One of the ways in which to reduce the amount of football these extremely valuable club assets have to endure is to work out how to significantly reduce the number of international games played.

The qualification process for the World and European Nations Cups needs to be radically altered by seeding.


1.) 02 Sep 2017 13:03:10
Reduce the world cup to a 16 team knockout comp meaning only four or five teams from europe are allowed.

Would make it way more competitions when some big nations have to miss out.

2.) 02 Sep 2017 13:51:10
Give professionals a choice, either International players or Domestic. They get paid a salary by either, and that then separates the patriots from the money grabbers - appreciated you can be both in equal measure, but it will go back to meaning something playing for your country. I currently feel zero affinity with England when they play, if it actually mattered to the players then it would start mattering to me, but at the minute it's a distraction.

You see in the tunnel how little patriotism means to most of these players and during the anthems, not to mention the actual minimal effort exhorted during games. There will be exceptions of course, but frankly most Internationals are a waste of time and a nuisance to clubs and players.

Just split the two off, have International leagues, but the players can either play for Man Utd or play for England etc, not for both. That's the only thing that would work for me from now on.

3.) 02 Sep 2017 14:04:33
Put all the smaller teams in one group. Winner of the group goes through to the world cup. Gives them some competition with each other and reduces games for the larger countries.

4.) 02 Sep 2017 14:47:43
I think England have lost there identity, there trying to be something there not .

{Ed007's Note - They've been trying that since 1966!}

5.) 02 Sep 2017 15:27:16
Never see the english players smile or laugh when on international duty. The same can't be said of germany france spain the english lads all look so miserable like they Have the weight of the world on their shoulders.
First thing i'd do is to create a environment where the players are happy and want to be. The results smsand performances would improve no end. turn it into the crazy gang and any premadoona who isn't up for it don't pick him. Make someone like barry fry the manager and give the international team back to the people and go to tournaments and have a bit of craic.

6.) 02 Sep 2017 15:06:04
True ed, poor quality at the moment tho worse since the late 80s early 90s.

{Ed007's Note - The main problem is that clubs are bowing to the supports demands to buy players, it doesn't matter if they're better than what you've got as long as the club are spending money. Young homegrown players aren't getting the chance to play and develop and that obviously has repercussions when it comes to the national team. The same thing was happening in Scotland for years and it's only now we're starting to tun things round and have some very good Scottish players.
The English support and the media don't help the situation, we all know that there will be pages and pages devoted to how England can the World Cup and then there's a national outrage when the inevitable early exit happens.
And Southgate's a diddy, it's a shambles that England have that clown in charge with the money floating around your game.}

7.) 02 Sep 2017 16:36:31
All international games should be played between seasons. Qualifying tournaments for the finals the following year. It gives the players more time together to prepare and if they pick up an injury it gives them longer to recover before they actually need to play for the clubs that pay there wages.

No international breaks during the season means shorter club seasons and more focus for the clubs without the interuption of internationals.

The total amount of games will be the same but it divides the club vs international issues.

8.) 02 Sep 2017 16:18:15
Ed 100% agree, you only have to read this site to see that, people want a star or big name in every position .
People are wanting us to buy players to sit on the bench, what chance have you of developing a player if your not only blocking there path to the first 11 but blocking there path to the squad.

The press are an issue, they build a player up which fans believe just to knock them down again .
Southgate is a plank.

{Ed007's Note - The way things are going it's only going to get worse too mate. I don't know what the answer is but something needs to be done.}



30 Aug 2017 15:01:48
Next year's turnover is expected to be over £600m. The wage bill is reportedly only around £230m. That's the lowest % in the EPL. There's no financial reason not to make another signature signing before tomorrow's deadline.

The idea of Sanchez is more appealing to me than Bale, but what would either do to the development of Martial and Rashford, both of whom are potentially world class game changing types of players? Can one have a surfeit of riches?


1.) 30 Aug 2017 15:35:25
Shaw mate, we're done fro this window. You can have too many players as you can't keep them all happy so you need to balance a strong squad and a happy dressing room. That's why I don't want Sanchez, he seems disruptive to me. I'd take Bale though but hey, we've been round this loop so many times already.

2.) 30 Aug 2017 15:59:33
I'd swap Sanchez with Lingard then if it's about squad size. Ultimately if Bale or Sanchez are available then it's a no brainer for me, anyone that moans about game time I'd simply ask them if they are better than Sanchez, none of them would be able to say yes! I'd even chuck Mata (hinders more than he helps imo) and Smalling in and really make it interesting if Arsenal want to do us a favour.

Sanchez is a winner and he would fit in like a charm in my opinion. There's only so much heavy lifting you can do before you realise that the weight isn't worth it anymore. Just look how inept Arsenal look without Sanchez.

3.) 30 Aug 2017 16:19:09
Griezmann next summer I think we are done fir this transfer window.

4.) 30 Aug 2017 17:22:10
230 mill is still one of the highest in the league.

Not fussed about griezmann.

5.) 30 Aug 2017 18:11:44
It doesn't look like either Bale or Sanchez are going to happen and, frankly, I'm not sure I care. I'd really like to give Martial and Rashford an opportunity to prove themselves by playing regularly, which they are less likely to do if Sanchez or Bale comes. If we win the EPL great, but as long as we come in the top 3 and make a good run in the Champions League, I'll feel like we've made good progress and will be ready to make a couple more highly significant additions next year.

And while £230m is one of the highest, all I'm suggesting is that since it's the lowest %, it's also the most affordable and gives us plenty room to move if the right player becomes available. Mendy would have been a really good way to spend it IMO.



30 Aug 2017 11:23:32
The X factor is often not a player but a development within the team itself: confidence, desire, organization, understanding built upon consistency, coordinated passion etc. These characteristics are what makes a team more than the sum of its parts, and are prerequisites for success more than any one individual. No single player is enough without the other 10 functioning effectively around him, which is not to say that we are not always in search of that Messi-anic type who will lead us to the Promised Land.


1.) 30 Aug 2017 21:52:35
Or Marilyn on the grassy knoll.



14 Aug 2017 13:53:01
Even without the goal scoring Rashford was instrumental to the win, creating havoc down the left side, attacking the defence, providing an absolutely perfect pass for Lukaku for the first, while fulfilling his defensive duties admirably. I'm confident he will start to develop that composure, and once he does he will become an £80m+ footballer in this market.

The big surprise for me was just how much space both he and, later on, Martial were afforded. Last year it seemed like they were being triple teamed whenever they received the ball on the left. Perhaps, with a mobile and powerful CF like Lukaku, that's less of an option. Along with the speed of movement and freedom provided to Pogba and Mhki by Matic, the defence is not afforded the time to organize itself so well.

It will be interesting to see how we fare when less adventurous teams than West Ham come to town, as no doubt they will.


1.) 14 Aug 2017 14:27:30
They pretty much parked the bus for the first 20 mins. 10 behind the ball and the little pea up top on his own.

A very attacking overlapping left back (like Shaw pre-injury, or big Pat) would have helped to break them down earlier I think.

The movement of Rom, Miki, Mata and Pogba seemed to attract defenders away from Rash. The other factor was that Matic was getting the ball to him quickly in transition.

I would love to see Rash and Martial either side of Lukaku, same team as yesterday but take out Mata - scary pace!

2.) 14 Aug 2017 16:52:54
Does anyone feel that Rashford and Martials form yesterday was aided by them not having to carry the attacking threat?

In the last couple of seasons they have more or less been alone in burrowing away our attacking movement.

But suddenly we have Pogba released from midfield and given license to roam forward, we have Lukaku making runs and occupying defenders with his pace, strength and movement. We have Mata finding pockets of space and keeping things moving. Then Mkhitaryan has settled now and looks like the player he did in his final season in Germany.

With opposition defenders suddenly having multiple threats to deal with as well as a combination of pace, strength and intelligence suddenly a lot more space has opened up for players like Rashford and Martial, and with it a lot less pressure.

Maybe that combination could work to help them both really step up this year. It could be big seasons for them.



08 Aug 2017 22:45:34
I didn't watch the game owing to a commitment but does losing 2-1 to Real Madrid - the best team in Europe - in a pre-season match, justify the pessimism and dire predictions shown by most of the punters on here?

Looks like a complete overreaction to me.


1.) 08 Aug 2017 23:51:29
100% agree Shawthing total overreaction.




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23 Jul 2017 20:46:28
He's not worth a penny over £150m.




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20 Jun 2017 13:13:24
Wouldn't surprise me if RM themseves were behind the Ronaldo rumours with the intention of complicating the Morata deal and ultimately getting a better price.




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08 Jun 2017 20:24:00
Compared to when the Glazers bought the club the interest payments are quite small. At that time our revenue/ turnover was approximately 1/ 3rd of what it is now and debt was twice as much with some high rate of interest loans. £400m net debt is very manageable especially when compared to Forbes recent valuation of the club at almost £3bn. In other words the directors have every reason to be satisfied with the capital structure of the club as it is. Debt elimination will be less important than fulfilment of the overall business plan.




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06 Jun 2017 22:38:53
Sanchez is in his last contract year with Arsenal which puts the power firmly in the hands of the player. The club will want to avoid the risk of losing him for nothing at the end of next season. Will he accept the reported £300k a week to stay where he is and play Europa League football? Given, no doubt, there are other suitors, is there any chance he will want to play in Manchester? Does he like Mourinho? I can see him leaving the Gunners for maybe £400k per week wages but a transfer fee closer to £50m than £80m.





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11 Dec 2017 17:42:46
The first half we were too defensive but once City had scored I thought we were the equal of them. All 3 goals were the result of blunders, and, unfortunately for Lukaku both of the ones we conceded were pretty much down to him. He was beaten to the header for the first and it was his clearance that led to the second. Besides that there was no better build up or chance than the one he missed from point blank range. So, I really don't think anyone can argue against the idea that much of the blame for yesterday's loss, if it has to be assigned, would be fairly put at Lukaku's feet. I'm sure he will be thinking the same. And if top players are judged by their performances in top games then Lukaku didn't stake his claim yesterday.

At the moment he seems to be so intent to blast the ball that he's sacrificing the awareness and finesse that's sometimes needed in front of goal. He's probably trying too hard. Like Pogba I expect him to have a better second season than first.

Looking at the penalty claim, I don't think it was stone cold, but it certainly could have been given.

Overall 0-0 or 1-1 would have reflected the game fairly based on the number of golden chances created, rather than conceded, by the two sides,




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03 Dec 2017 18:42:28
It surely won't be overturned but I do think there's a case that Bellerin's leg was in a completely unnatural position and, in the split second that a player has to decide to go for the ball or pull out, that unexpected element may have deceived Pogba. In any event, had Bellerin been in a normal position, there is no way that challenge would have been worthy of a red.




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29 Nov 2017 13:35:58
Being a nattering nabob of negativity, I agree that we are well behind City at the moment as far as overall talent is concerned. That is to be expected. We are only now starting to restore the level of quality required to compete consistently at the top levels after a decade of squad deterioration in the height of the Glazer debt servicing years and the inadequacy of SAF's first two successors. December is a big month for us, starting this weekend at Arsenal followed by the first derby of the season, and then a potentially tricky away game at West Brom. One way or another statements will be made.

On a very positive note we are on pace to score more than 80 goals this season compared to 64,62,49,52 in the previous 4 seasons. We are on a good trend. As brilliant as City may be this year, no team is invincible. Other teams make adjustments. A couple more top players added to the squad could well see us competing with them on equal footing, even if sometimes it may seem the dominant factor is a battle between brain and brawn.




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05 Nov 2017 22:58:17
I think Jose felt the pressure of the criticism thrown at him after the Liverpool game combined with the memory of last year's abject defeat, and played a more open game than he would ordinarily. At least we gave it a go and had a few decent chances but, frankly, our combination plays are simply not good enough, nor is Lukaku's first touch, nor the quality from dead ball situations. It was only in the last 10 minutes, when the chips were down, we were able to mount continuous pressure. We really need Pogba back.




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28 Oct 2017 19:45:33
Jose is probably still thinking about Mata giving the ball away in midfield, which then led to Huddersfield's first goal.