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29 Jan 2019 22:38:42
Frustrating game in many ways, which could have been so different had Rashford scored as he should have done in the first 10 minutes. He did not have a great game and nor did Pereira who looked completely out of his depth against a very aggressive midfield. I really don't think he's good enough for United, or indeed the type of player who will do very well in the EPL.

In this new system Sanchez looks like he could contribute significantly. A forward line of Rashford, Martial and Sanchez seems like it ought to pay dividends.


1.) 30 Jan 2019 05:23:42
Agreed, the interplay of Lukaku near the penalty box is not fluid as between Rash, Martial and Lingard.

2.) 30 Jan 2019 09:31:55
I was sat in the East end at OT. We should have had another penalty.

3.) 30 Jan 2019 14:28:00
To be honest I think Pereira didn't have his best game ever, but Jones throw him a brick, and then he got completely confused in the one-one defending.

I believe Pereira could be better but in an attacking position and no asan "herreras" replacement.

This is the first Ole´s game we start losing and that does not goes as planned, but the squad show commitment and desire. If Rashford scores that 10m goal the game would have been completely different with space and time for counters but rubbish happens. Let's focus on the next games and let's hope we have a great february.

i think it is better for Ole and the team to have lost the winning streak now and no in a game against PSG or Chelsea.




26 Dec 2018 22:43:47
Very good to see United score 8 goals in 2 games even if it was against teams near the bottom against whom we've been having all sorts of trouble. The tempo and the pressing seem to be what's needed. Perhaps Sanchez and Lukaku will benefit from it when they come back into the reckoning. But suffice it to say we have now scored 37 goals this season. If we can double it in the second half it will be our best haul since SAF's last year. If we're going to come 6th then the United way is surely that it's more entertaining to do it with 75 goals for and 55 goals against than with 50 goals for and 30 goals against.

I must say I've been unimpressed by Dalot defensively. He doesn't look like he has the pace and his positioning appears very suspect. I know he's young and there's an adjustment time - Evra didn't settle immediately - but nevertheless he's going to have to improve dramatically to cement that right back position. The other new player who doesn't they seem to have what it takes is Fred. It's hard to believe we were persuaded to spend £52m for him - or perhaps not, given some of our purchases recently. We would have done better spending it on a top center half. Many United fans criticized Liverpool for spending so much on Van Dijk but he seems like a bargain at this juncture.


1.) 26 Dec 2018 23:26:42
Shawthing, speed can be deceptive. Dalot was clocked as being the fastest player on the pitch today. But if the timing of that speed is not right it can be wasted.
He is a raw talent no doubt. We don’t have great options right now.

2.) 26 Dec 2018 23:44:01
Give the young lad Dalot a break. A couple of weeks ago against Fulham he couldn't get enough praise. That he was the answer to our right wing back problem for the next 10 years. Then a weaker game today and you're not sure is he going to make it. Inconsistency is a given for a teenager. Support your own.

3.) 27 Dec 2018 07:15:15
In fairness, that was one of Huddersfield’s tactics, mbenza is very quick, and Anytine they could they tried releasing him. Dalot was on the back foot very quickly after an attack broke down. Great lesson for the Lad.

4.) 27 Dec 2018 07:29:16
Dalot is young, 19 years old and playing only his third game in the EPL. His last performance won him man of the match so I see no reason to be worried about him. He is young and he will be inconsistent, he will make mistakes that is all part of learning. He has the qualities to become a world class full back, we need to give him the time and the chances for him to fulfill that potential.

5.) 27 Dec 2018 10:20:15
Dalot is certainly my Pick over an aging TonyV and Young (who is doing ok too) .
He is our future at right back, so let him play I say.

6.) 27 Dec 2018 11:25:22
He looks more like a future winger to me. He doesn't seem interested in defending.

7.) 27 Dec 2018 15:25:05
We've been defending whole season and still conceding goals. I don't even care whether Dalot comes back to defend or not. It was just nice to see our right back in the opposition box getting a cross from our striker and almost scoring a goal.

8.) 27 Dec 2018 18:07:46
Centre back and we are sorted Imo. we have options everywhere else. I'm really excited by dalot him, Shaw and lindelof could be together for a while along time and build a good understanding.

9.) 27 Dec 2018 19:03:50
Also how he plays will depend a lot on who is managing him. He did well defensively in Mourinho's defensive set up.

Ole has said publicly he wants our full backs to push up high and overlap our wingers. So if that is what is being asked of Dalot then it's good to see him following the managers commands.



02 Dec 2018 17:46:30
Assuming the rumours are true, if you believe your £90m transfer is playing with inadequate effort and/ or a poor mentality, a dressing down in the changing room in front of team mates is perfectly reasonable. I bet every one of us who have played sports have at some time or other have heard it from a coach or a colleague. Grow up and knuckle down. Most of the kids who watch you would kill for a chance at 1/ 10th of the benefits your innate talent has brought you.

The fact is Pogba is a disappointment. While he covers a fair amount of ground within a team that consistently covers the least in the EPL, he rarely sprints, neither in offence or defence. This characteristic was visible when he first stepped on the field in a United jersey before he went to Juventus. He looks lackadaisical, and it's probably one of the reasons why Ferguson was not inclined to fight to keep him. The problem is that, while he has talent, he is way to into himself to be a true leader, and that's the key role we need him to fill. A player who leads by example.

We are 5 years into the post-Fergie era and we are worse than ever. We do have some good players to build a team around but it's hard to see anything positive coming from them in the current climate. Given the amount of money we've spent, the only conclusion we can draw is that we are infected by a virus. Whether the source is Pogba, Mourinho or the general club mentality itself is a matter of conjecture. My own sense is that Woodward, Mourinho and Pogba are all symptoms of a deeper problem.


1.) 02 Dec 2018 21:07:06
All 3 of them should go at the end of the season.

We should say thanks Jose but uts not worked ta-ra. Says Pogba but you want to go to Spain so here's the asking price. And Woodward should have the decency to say "it was my decision to appoint Jose so I'll step down. "

2.) 03 Dec 2018 06:49:20
Fergie did want to keep Pogba, it was out of his hands. and while you might think Pogba has been disappointing his season, so has Lukaku, Rashford, Martial (most of the time), Bailly, Fred, Matic. who hasn't been disappointing? People might point to Shaw, but he hasn't gotten back to the 2-way beast he was looking like before his injury either.

I think when that many players aren't performing you have to look at the manager. And it's not like Mourinho's faults have been hard to see. Bizarre team selections and subs, consistently embarrassing behaviour, publicly sledging players all the time and bemoaning a lack of signings.

He's got to go. He's not one of us and he never will be.



13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.


1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!

2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.



05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.


1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.

2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.

3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.

4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.

5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?

6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?

7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .

Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .

8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.

9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.

10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.

11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.

12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'

13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.




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13 Feb 2019 11:07:59
The Clough Taylor partnership was founded upon recognition of sell by dates, extracting good returns on players who were supposedly at their peak, but in fact only had one direction to go. SAF had that ability too. When he sold RVN and replaced him with Carrick people asked where would the goals come from. If I remember correctly we scored more the following season.

The effectiveness of the policy depends on the ability to recognize and acquire or develop the right young talent to fit into whatever the tactical plan is, which in turn requires a manger or succession of managers who are ahead of the curve, or at least the best exponents of the current one. This has been the crucial failing at United and it started before SAF retired.

For me the problem was epitomized by the signing of RVP, a 29 year old injury prone striker, who clearly had no long term future at the club. Yes, it was spectacularly successful - for one season - but it did nothing to rebuild an aging squad and a youth development program that was no longer producing top talent. And since that time successive managers have compounded the problem with signings like Sanchez, Ibrahimovic, Matic, the retention of decent but hardly top world class players like Mata, Young and Valencia, and the signings of other mediocre talents like Fred, Darmian, Blind. The antithesis of the formula required to get to and stay at the top.

Last night the distance between United and the top teams of Europe was exposed. No wonder Ole, who takes no blame whatsoever for the loss, looked so disconsolate. He has done wonders in the domestic competitions so far, reversing the malaise Mourinho created. It will now be interesting to see how he and the players cope with that reality check. This next month will define the season and determine whether Ole is even in the running for the manager job. Both Chelsea and Arsenal started their season under new managers on highs but have since collapsed. The true test comes when the manager and the players are facing adversity, not when they are riding on the crest of novelty's wave.


1.) 13 Feb 2019 11:57:33
Signing RVP was a no brainer. He was at the peak of his powers.
Sometimes, we need to buy such world class talent to set the bench mark. They will push the rest of the squad to raise their level.
Moreover, the older players have leadership qualities and can pass on their knowledge, experience to the rest of the squad.

Look at PSG. They signed 41 year old Buffon and 35 year old Dani Alves.
There needs to be a correct combination of youth and experience.



10 Feb 2019 14:21:44
Until recently from a footballing perspective it Jimmy grieves me to say that watching just about any team was more pleasurable than watching United. That has all changed. Now I don't feel any need to get my football fix in by watching someone else.

This effect has been compounded by the fact that every time I do switch on to game involving a top six team in mid-match they seem to score within 20 seconds. It happened for Liverpool's first yesterday and Tottenham's today.




08 Feb 2019 22:27:11
Oh ye of little faith.

The new contract for Phil Jones is potentially good news:

1. It means he can't leave for nothing and whether he's good enough for United is one thing, but he's certainly good enough for many teams in the EPL.

2. We don't know the terms of the contract extension. There may be a clause in there regarding availability and injuries. Did he get an increase in his reported wage of £50k per week? If not, is that the sort of amount that would act as a deterrent to a transfer? It's hardly the £350k being paid to Sanchez.

3. You never know. He might just become the player Sir Alex obviously thought he was getting, especially with the right manager handling him.

If he's fit he must be worth at least £15-£20m in today's market.

Good piece of business by United with more upside than downside potential.


1.) 08 Feb 2019 23:07:53
We would actually have to find someone willing to buy him though. That's the only problem.

2.) 09 Feb 2019 00:44:58
The end of this season and next is really his last chance. He does have the potential to be a decent centre back. His injury record hasn't helped his development. For me he is decent cover for Lindelof and whoever is brought in the summer to partner him. Jones, Lindelof, Baily +1. He's not on massive wages, keeps his head down, works hard and doesn't complain about a squad/ bench role.

3.) 09 Feb 2019 01:52:32
He lived near me as a kid, I so him from a young age and he stood out, unfortunately injury have stopped him becoming the player he could of been. He gets a lot of bad press, I lot not warranted in my opinion, he got slagged off diving on the floor and stopping a certain goal with his face, as a x defender I call that commitment and giving your all. A lot of good managers so a lot in him a young age. For me he's an excellent back up and who knows if he can keep injury free we may see a more complete player.
PS- At a young age he had the makings of a quality defensive midfielder and was better in that position.

4.) 09 Feb 2019 06:12:37
How do people talk about his potential i will never understand, he is 26, if he had potential to be a decent footballer he should have shown some of it by now, only potential i see in him is he could be a good medic given the time he spent with doctors and physios.

5.) 09 Feb 2019 07:07:08
Lindelof is a certainty for CB berth next season.
I don't think Rojo has a future with us anymore.
and Tuanzebe is someone that deserves a promotion in the lineup.
And assuming we sign a centre-half, we'll have 3 now.
Jones, Smalling and Baily for the remaining 2 positions is over staffing.
And I don't think we'll able get Rojo away easily as he's on good wages.
One of Smalling, Jones or Bailly should leave, else it'd be a signal that we are not looking to sign a centre half this summer which would be foolish.

6.) 09 Feb 2019 09:50:28
Id definitely sell Rojo. Wolves were supposed to be interested last summer and look like their staying up so who knows. Or a mid table Italian or Spanish side. 10-15 million is a reasonable fee. Then one of the other three, Smalling would be ny choice. Again there was supposedly interest last summer. I'm sure someone like Everton, West Ham, Leicester or Spurs could be interested. Maybe float a swap deal for Alderweireld. Works out well for all parties.

7.) 09 Feb 2019 10:19:09
Tuanzebe seems to be getting rave reviews. Played for us previously at right back and looked great. Perhaps that’s where he will challenge next season?

Rojo Andy darmian have no future at the club. Jones staying is a positive for me. English quota ticked, somidnsquad player, half decent player despite the bad rap. Also means he won’t leave for free.



27 Jan 2019 03:28:09
This is just an observation but remember a few weeks ago how it appeared that Unai Emery was being lauded for creating the new Arsenal? What on earth happened? It's a cautionary tale. It will be interesting to see how things go after we lose our first game under OGS. Will the bubble burst or will it just be a blip in an upward trend?


1.) 27 Jan 2019 07:47:50
I don’t want to appear naively optimistic but WE WILL NEVER LOSE AGAIN.

2.) 27 Jan 2019 08:41:30
In defense of Arsenal, their back 4 is plagued by injuries.
Moreover, there is unrest with Ozil and Ramsey.

3.) 27 Jan 2019 09:41:03
It's different arsenal will lose loads of games where it's blatantly obvious to see that united will never lose a game again 😁.

4.) 27 Jan 2019 12:14:53
Emery has a long long way to go before he is mentioned in the same breath as Wenger at Arsenal.

5.) 27 Jan 2019 14:14:31
Arsenal never convinced me in the first half of the season. They were getting points, but I have always been confident we would finish above them.



31 Dec 2018 04:34:41
Such a joy to see midfielders making late well timed runs into the box. Now there are multiple targets and threat dimensions allowing Pogba to show us the player who ruined City's championship celebrations at the Etihad last year.

The defense needs some serious work. Bailly is mental. He could well have been sent off earlier for a high boot in the penalty area. We all know we need at least one top class center back. However to eliminate the team's attacking potential by falling back and trying to overweight the defense just invites even more pressure on a group of players who have shown little ability to deal with it.


1.) 31 Dec 2018 09:20:24
I agree with Shawthing. I think that Bailly is a liability. He doesn't seem to have much self control. His dangerous challenges began with one on Josh King on the side line. It didn't help that Ashley Young congratulated him for it, which may have contibuted to him getting wound up.

2.) 31 Dec 2018 10:04:53
I stand by everything I’ve said about Bailly, he isn’t good enough. He’s an accident waiting to happen and as mentioned above he was lucky to last as long as totally he did yesterday. He’s reckless and not great on the ball.




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04 Jan 2019 16:33:03
Potential star is exactly it. But lots of young players can't step up to the next level. It could be due to mismanagement but most likely it is not. The coaching staff at United and at the loan clubs are unlikely to be wrong. I agree with Ed002. It's disappointing but he's almost certainly just not good enough.




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30 Jun 2018 12:08:21
Fellaini knows he's only going to be squad player, and, given the transfer costs United seem to need to pay in order to get anyone half way decent as an alternative, having him around for his wage cost only seems to me a very decent bit of business by United. With Fellaini you know what you're getting: it's someone who may not be top drawer but is at last as good as some of the overrated players who have been linked with us, like Dier, who would cost us a lot more. He's not my favorite player but he does offer a viable alternative in style when it's needed.




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29 May 2018 20:53:54
Win Dallot? I've heard he can turn on the gas.




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16 May 2018 19:06:30
I don't see how anyone can judge Shaw properly without not only giving him an extended run in the side but also having him play behind a consistently selected left sided winger.




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03 Feb 2019 17:25:30
The philosopher, Simon Critchley, recounts in the US version of "What We Think About When We Think About Soccer" that growing up in the 1970's soccer and football were used interchangeably in England. But then he's a Liverpool supporter so what would he know?




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26 Jan 2019 19:36:30
Inviting the other team to attack you is a great tactic just as long as you don't keep conceding goals while you wait for the opportunity to attack with that lightening speed and accuracy.




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17 Jan 2019 22:26:35
It depends on how much you enjoy a good walk before and after the game. The only time I used the train it took 4 or 5 of them going by before we could get on one. As long as the weather is half way decent I prefer to pay to park and walk. If you're a very long way off you will be consoled by the fact that the traffic may have died down a bit by the time you get to your car.




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01 Jan 2019 14:55:33
I take your point Red Man but, but let's say you were hired as a salesman and your managing director decided to deploy you as the accountant instead: you might be expected to fail however much effort you put in. Moreover it might be hard for you to maintain much enthusiasm for your work having first been set up for failure and then subsequently criticized in public for failing. Research suggests that someone unhappy in their work will not suddenly become happy in it just because they get a raise.

From the CEO down, through the manager and onto the field, the post-SAF period seems to have been a continuing sequence of trying to slot the wrong people into the wrong positions.




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23 Dec 2018 22:59:14
I can think of many managers who will be considered greater than Mourinho as far as the English game alone is concerned: Ferguson, Busby, Shankley, Paisley, Wenger and Clough for starters. No one can take away what he accomplished at Porto and Inter, but that's not the EPL.

For a brief time Mourinho shone. He was creature of his time who built a personal mystique that served him well. He combined it with Abramovic's money to maximum effect. But ultimately he was also more destructive than any of them. His time at United was a sad coda to the nature of his career.

In any event my post has nothing to do with the problems at our club which I agree have been far deeper than Mourinho. To say he wasn't supported is a little rich though. During his 2 1/ 2 years we bought Bailly, Lindelof, Pogba, Fred, Dalot, Lukaku, Mkhtaryan, Sanchez, Ibrahimovic, and Matic. Most of them went backwards, as did our younger existing players. I don't wish him ill, but it's self evident that his reign has been a failure despite the minor trophy successes.