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29 Jan 2019 22:38:42
Frustrating game in many ways, which could have been so different had Rashford scored as he should have done in the first 10 minutes. He did not have a great game and nor did Pereira who looked completely out of his depth against a very aggressive midfield. I really don't think he's good enough for United, or indeed the type of player who will do very well in the EPL.

In this new system Sanchez looks like he could contribute significantly. A forward line of Rashford, Martial and Sanchez seems like it ought to pay dividends.


1.) 30 Jan 2019 05:23:42
Agreed, the interplay of Lukaku near the penalty box is not fluid as between Rash, Martial and Lingard.

2.) 30 Jan 2019 09:31:55
I was sat in the East end at OT. We should have had another penalty.

3.) 30 Jan 2019 14:28:00
To be honest I think Pereira didn't have his best game ever, but Jones throw him a brick, and then he got completely confused in the one-one defending.

I believe Pereira could be better but in an attacking position and no asan "herreras" replacement.

This is the first Ole´s game we start losing and that does not goes as planned, but the squad show commitment and desire. If Rashford scores that 10m goal the game would have been completely different with space and time for counters but rubbish happens. Let's focus on the next games and let's hope we have a great february.

i think it is better for Ole and the team to have lost the winning streak now and no in a game against PSG or Chelsea.




26 Dec 2018 22:43:47
Very good to see United score 8 goals in 2 games even if it was against teams near the bottom against whom we've been having all sorts of trouble. The tempo and the pressing seem to be what's needed. Perhaps Sanchez and Lukaku will benefit from it when they come back into the reckoning. But suffice it to say we have now scored 37 goals this season. If we can double it in the second half it will be our best haul since SAF's last year. If we're going to come 6th then the United way is surely that it's more entertaining to do it with 75 goals for and 55 goals against than with 50 goals for and 30 goals against.

I must say I've been unimpressed by Dalot defensively. He doesn't look like he has the pace and his positioning appears very suspect. I know he's young and there's an adjustment time - Evra didn't settle immediately - but nevertheless he's going to have to improve dramatically to cement that right back position. The other new player who doesn't they seem to have what it takes is Fred. It's hard to believe we were persuaded to spend £52m for him - or perhaps not, given some of our purchases recently. We would have done better spending it on a top center half. Many United fans criticized Liverpool for spending so much on Van Dijk but he seems like a bargain at this juncture.


1.) 26 Dec 2018 23:26:42
Shawthing, speed can be deceptive. Dalot was clocked as being the fastest player on the pitch today. But if the timing of that speed is not right it can be wasted.
He is a raw talent no doubt. We don’t have great options right now.

2.) 26 Dec 2018 23:44:01
Give the young lad Dalot a break. A couple of weeks ago against Fulham he couldn't get enough praise. That he was the answer to our right wing back problem for the next 10 years. Then a weaker game today and you're not sure is he going to make it. Inconsistency is a given for a teenager. Support your own.

3.) 27 Dec 2018 07:15:15
In fairness, that was one of Huddersfield’s tactics, mbenza is very quick, and Anytine they could they tried releasing him. Dalot was on the back foot very quickly after an attack broke down. Great lesson for the Lad.

4.) 27 Dec 2018 07:29:16
Dalot is young, 19 years old and playing only his third game in the EPL. His last performance won him man of the match so I see no reason to be worried about him. He is young and he will be inconsistent, he will make mistakes that is all part of learning. He has the qualities to become a world class full back, we need to give him the time and the chances for him to fulfill that potential.

5.) 27 Dec 2018 10:20:15
Dalot is certainly my Pick over an aging TonyV and Young (who is doing ok too) .
He is our future at right back, so let him play I say.

6.) 27 Dec 2018 11:25:22
He looks more like a future winger to me. He doesn't seem interested in defending.

7.) 27 Dec 2018 15:25:05
We've been defending whole season and still conceding goals. I don't even care whether Dalot comes back to defend or not. It was just nice to see our right back in the opposition box getting a cross from our striker and almost scoring a goal.

8.) 27 Dec 2018 18:07:46
Centre back and we are sorted Imo. we have options everywhere else. I'm really excited by dalot him, Shaw and lindelof could be together for a while along time and build a good understanding.

9.) 27 Dec 2018 19:03:50
Also how he plays will depend a lot on who is managing him. He did well defensively in Mourinho's defensive set up.

Ole has said publicly he wants our full backs to push up high and overlap our wingers. So if that is what is being asked of Dalot then it's good to see him following the managers commands.



02 Dec 2018 17:46:30
Assuming the rumours are true, if you believe your £90m transfer is playing with inadequate effort and/ or a poor mentality, a dressing down in the changing room in front of team mates is perfectly reasonable. I bet every one of us who have played sports have at some time or other have heard it from a coach or a colleague. Grow up and knuckle down. Most of the kids who watch you would kill for a chance at 1/ 10th of the benefits your innate talent has brought you.

The fact is Pogba is a disappointment. While he covers a fair amount of ground within a team that consistently covers the least in the EPL, he rarely sprints, neither in offence or defence. This characteristic was visible when he first stepped on the field in a United jersey before he went to Juventus. He looks lackadaisical, and it's probably one of the reasons why Ferguson was not inclined to fight to keep him. The problem is that, while he has talent, he is way to into himself to be a true leader, and that's the key role we need him to fill. A player who leads by example.

We are 5 years into the post-Fergie era and we are worse than ever. We do have some good players to build a team around but it's hard to see anything positive coming from them in the current climate. Given the amount of money we've spent, the only conclusion we can draw is that we are infected by a virus. Whether the source is Pogba, Mourinho or the general club mentality itself is a matter of conjecture. My own sense is that Woodward, Mourinho and Pogba are all symptoms of a deeper problem.


1.) 02 Dec 2018 21:07:06
All 3 of them should go at the end of the season.

We should say thanks Jose but uts not worked ta-ra. Says Pogba but you want to go to Spain so here's the asking price. And Woodward should have the decency to say "it was my decision to appoint Jose so I'll step down. "

2.) 03 Dec 2018 06:49:20
Fergie did want to keep Pogba, it was out of his hands. and while you might think Pogba has been disappointing his season, so has Lukaku, Rashford, Martial (most of the time), Bailly, Fred, Matic. who hasn't been disappointing? People might point to Shaw, but he hasn't gotten back to the 2-way beast he was looking like before his injury either.

I think when that many players aren't performing you have to look at the manager. And it's not like Mourinho's faults have been hard to see. Bizarre team selections and subs, consistently embarrassing behaviour, publicly sledging players all the time and bemoaning a lack of signings.

He's got to go. He's not one of us and he never will be.



13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.


1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!

2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.



05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.


1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.

2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.

3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.

4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.

5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?

6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?

7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .

Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .

8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.

9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.

10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.

11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.

12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'

13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.




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27 Dec 2019 17:24:51
Given how woeful we have been in defense and how difficult we have found it to score against the lower teams I was surprised to note that we have the best equal goal difference of the teams chasing 4th place.

I like to live in hope.


1.) 27 Dec 2019 18:50:25
Defence isn't the issue, scoring goals is. Everyone says our defence is the issue but it's the other end where we lag behind the top teams.

2.) 27 Dec 2019 19:22:22
Really its the midfield. Not enough creativity.

3.) 27 Dec 2019 21:57:24
The midfield is clearly the biggest issue going forward and defending too.

4.) 27 Dec 2019 22:14:52
Agree mort midfield looks very weak, better with pogba in but if he duznt want to be here, address it.

5.) 28 Dec 2019 01:15:30
But the defence us as much to blame as the midfield and attack.

We get bullied far to much by attackers and constantly find the defenders out of position and out of shape.

We concede far to many soft unavoidable goals.

6.) 28 Dec 2019 04:46:20
Midfield has been the biggest problem this season.

We don't have a solid defensive midfielder who can protect the defence and break down attacks, nor do we have a creative midfielder who can make defence splitting pass or inch perfect through balls.

Our front 3 can worry any defense, therefore it is vital to supply the ball to them often and quickly.
One or 2 extra touches from midfielders will slow down the play and will help the opposition's defense to organize.

7.) 28 Dec 2019 05:25:27
Dm is a big issue and lingard n mata can’t do no.10 role effectively for different reasons! Plus we haven’t replaced Herrera.

8.) 28 Dec 2019 10:44:42
Midfield unit, unit is a word we don’t associate with our team. We talk on here about DM and AM yet it is the unit, the coordination of the unit that matters, how the midfield players make up all aspects of a unit.

We have a mixed bunch in varying formations that are not always set up correctly to beat the opposition. The quality isn’t there yet set midfield up to be a unit and our solidity as a team would be better. The unit has to defend and attack but formation and how they work as a unit should be sorted on the training pitch.

Our full backs, neither side, attack particularly well, don’t put great crosses in, so it comes to midfield to provide width.

James is ok but doesn’t take players on very often unless he is already on the run and Rashford cuts inside. The combination is not a good screen for defence, not enough controlled possession and creation becomes difficult when teams are narrow against us.

Buying players is only part of the issue, creating cohesive units and a methodology of play is another particularly in the midfield engine room.

9.) 28 Dec 2019 10:46:35
Whether it’s midfield, DM, or forwards, the end result is we don’t score, enough to finish teams off. There are games where we have created loads of chances but not taken them. Whatever the root cause, lack of goals is killing us.



22 Dec 2019 20:12:45
Apparently de Gea has made more errors leading to goals than any other goalie since the beginning of last season. Is he out Alexi Sanchezing Alexi Sanchez?


1.) 22 Dec 2019 21:57:34
Like I said earlier mate he's been shocking for a year and half. What I'd give for Schmeichel at the same as De gea is now. Best keeper ever for me.

2.) 22 Dec 2019 22:57:21
Turning on De Gea this week are we?

3.) 23 Dec 2019 00:05:58
He's been poor for 18 months Eric and is clearly declining. His mistakes are costly ones.

4.) 23 Dec 2019 08:40:52
Mort you’d be a nervous wreck too if you’d played behind Shaw, Darmian, Valencia, Young, Rojo, Jones, Smalling, Lindelof, Bailly and evening Maguire this season for the last few years. A list of mediocrity and headless chickens.

Keeper is the least of our worries.

5.) 23 Dec 2019 09:22:51
Footballers are only as good as their form. Ddg has been out of form. what he did 3 or 4 years ago bares no relevance.

6.) 23 Dec 2019 11:11:21
Think we have more problems than just the gk at the minute. like the midfield.

7.) 23 Dec 2019 11:13:08
O and the manager and coaching staff. sort them out and we will see improvement but it does go higher aswell.



22 Dec 2019 17:03:18
No arguments. That was shockingly poor. If Lingard scores, which he should have done, it would have been a different game. Watford would have been forced to attack, leaving more space for our forwards. Shocking error by de Gea, who, for the second week in a run, has not shown the type of performance needed. Against Everton it was weakness in the air. Maybe it's time for Ole to give Sergio a run in the team. De Gea is a great shot stopper but he has allowed the flaws that were apparent when he was first signed to reemerge.

The only bright spot was that Pogba looked sharp during his cameo return and was successful in unlocking the defense, creating some decent chances to come back. If he's up for it he could provide the missing link playing in an advanced midfield role.

No doubt the knives will be out again for Ole but, frankly, I just don't see how we can blame him for the ineptitude of the players. We were not good but Lingard and de Gea cost us the game.


1.) 22 Dec 2019 17:23:47
Who chose to start Lingard? Is something happening above Ole's head that I'm not aware of?

2.) 22 Dec 2019 18:02:33
Who picks the team, and who chooses the tactics?

Times like this I miss fellaini. He was a plan b, c and d, in his own right.

3.) 22 Dec 2019 18:38:45
What's tactics got to do with the keeper cocking up two weeks in a row and players missing 1 on 1 chances. Greenwood missed 1 over the bar late on aswell? Definitely Ole's fault aswell.

4.) 22 Dec 2019 21:08:35
Shawthing, I'm flabbergasted. Solskjaer selects the team and tactics but you're saying we can't blame him? Ddg has been shocking for two years ( he had a nightmare with Spain in the last World Cup, then a shocking season last year. And continued to be total rubbish this year. And yet people are asking "is it time to drop him? ". Jesus, it was time to drop him a year ago.
Where is the management strength, solskjaer hasn't got the balls to do it. Clueless.

5.) 22 Dec 2019 21:14:59
Minus God dam 21,that's Watford's gd, its not the odd missed chance or gk error that cost us the game. We are quite simply much, much better than them, and we should be spanking them. This isn't a squad issue, it's a tactics and management issue.

6.) 22 Dec 2019 21:47:35
I believe it's a personnel issue more than the tactics if I'm being perfectly honest. Do we have the players to play someone else as no10 for example? Mata? he's past it. Lingard? Not good enough. Maybe now Pogba is fit again he will play in that role but I don't see him being here long term. So we obviously need players. People calling for the manager to be sacked again and that would be our 5th manager in 6 and half years so doesn't that surely tell everyone the problems are a lot deeper than the manager.

7.) 22 Dec 2019 22:15:15
I'm replying to the same person twice with the same response ut I'm away for xmas in Brugge, the kids are asleep and I've had a bottle of wine.

But to repeat myself, yes we don't have the required no 10 to unlock defences, so the solution is to stop doing the same thing each game that requires this no 10 that doesn't exist, and find another strategy that doesn't rely on it.



07 Dec 2019 21:04:43
Well, that was an interesting and gratifying week. Some will say that City and Spurs were not at the top of their games, but that would do a disservice to United's defense and defensive midfielders who were very effective at stifling both teams' attacks. Then, when given time and space, the forwards have sufficient pace to cause any team problems at the back. They do seem now to be playing as a team, which is the essence of counter attacking football, where the runs off the ball are as important as those into space and correctly weighted passes. An excellent performance today, even better than Wednesday.

Clearly we can compete against the top teams. We have beaten City, Spurs, Leicester and tied with Liverpool, the only points they have dropped all season. Now we need to develop the capacity to beat the lesser teams, the ones that rely on a packed defense and physical superiority. That should point the club to the type of midfielder we need to acquire - someone who can unlock a tight defense. Ed002 has said Pogba is off, but that is a role, further up the field, that he could potentially fill and no doubt contribute a number of goals to boot. Failing that, Erickson would not be a bad choice but only if he is fully committed and isn't treating us as a reluctant but well paid home of last resort. If the club has learn anything it must surely be that we need players who contain their egos and are 100% committed to the club, the team, the manager, coaching staff and the fans.


1.) 08 Dec 2019 11:34:15
Good debate on the live chat about Pogba. I wouldn’t pick him again, I’d ship him out and get as much as we can for him. He may be able to play at 10 but he doesn’t have Jesse’s energy or commitment. He could replace Fred but agin he doesn’t have the energy or stamina and he loses the ball too often, something Fred seems to have fixed.

If everyone knows he wants to leave then he doesn’t get on the team, send a message that says you’re either committed or you’re not.



03 Dec 2019 13:25:41
If the club's plan is to stick with Ole until the end of the season or beyond while the clean out takes place then they should do so. Neither the fans nor the media make the decisions, the Board do. If the Board are unable to withstand external pressures, or if they have made the wrong management decisions, then that is their failure. If they fire Ole then they must take the responsibility for it, and for his replacement. People talk about us needing leaders on the field, players like Keane, and we do, but we also need a CEO and a Board of Directors with some cojones too.

It looks to me like there are no top managers out there who actually want to work for Woodward under the current set up. I hope I'm proved wrong.


1.) 03 Dec 2019 15:23:47
Shawthing, unfortunately I think you're right. We blindly say we are Manchester United and top players/ managers want to work for us. But is that just a fans view of the club they love.

If you're a top manager then you will have more than one option for a job.

So serious question, with United in their current set up and position why would a top manager pick us over Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Broussia Dortmund, PSG, Inter Milan, Juventus, Napoli, Chelsea, Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Spurs.

Just look at Mourinho, he looks twice as happy at Spurs than he ever looked at United.

We approached Pep when Sir Alex retired, he said thanks but no thanks. We ended up with Moyes.
We tried for Klopp, he said no thanks. We spoke with Conte before he joined Chelsea, and Ancelotti before he joined Real Madrid. Neither wanted it. Apparently we had Allegri lined up, then shafted him. So, there's another top manager who we have more then likely turned against wanting to work for us.

People ask why we appointed Ole when we did. How do we know that after putting the feelers out we found that top managers weren't interested. What if Ole on the back of 10 straight wins was performing better than any of the realistic options available to us.

2.) 03 Dec 2019 17:54:07
Completely agree Shaw it's about time the decision makers at the Club took some responsibility for their actions and stopped hiding behind the manager and players.

We find ourselves in this position because the Club has absolutely no footballing strategy or leadership at board level.

3.) 03 Dec 2019 18:12:57

United must be terribly unlucky, they put the feelers out when SAF retired and just no one other than Moyes was available. Then after a short period of Ole’s interim management, they put the feelers out again and only the interim manager who had no relevant experience at all was the only option, no way could they have waited for the end of the season. Thousands of managers with more relevant experience but just no one better than good old Ole. They sewed his name into the new shirt didn’t they.

It’s a laugh a minute.

4.) 04 Dec 2019 09:09:12
They could have waited, they could have done better research. Unfortunately who at the club at the boardroom level really has their finger on the pulse about coaches and managers who are doing a great job at less obvious places?

Woodward is a top shelf shopper, he doesn't know enough about football to understand a great player or manager who is flying under the radar. He opens up a newspaper and sees who's name is being spoken about most.

There are many great young managers about, but there isn't the expertise at the club to find the right one.

We will have spoken to the obvious candidates and no one nibbled. At that point they would have had the choice of gambling on someone they knew little about or hire the guy who just broke records held by the club's greatest ever managers and won his first 10 games on the bounce.

When we sack Ole it will be the same people making those decisions again. Do you trust them to get it right?

The fact is that many of not all of the top managers can see we are a mess, and a quick conversation with people like Woodward will confirm that the club doesn't have a direction or a plan that will work in the real world. So few if any would be prepared to come to the club.




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19 Jan 2020 14:44:05
I own something, you want it, you pay my price however ridiculous it may seem to you and anyone else. It's up to you. Walk away if you don't like it. No skin of my nose.




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07 Jan 2020 15:25:59
His first touch is dreadful. If Pogba was fit he would not get a look in.

Hopefully his goal in signing with a new agent is to get a good job somewhere else and not to negotiate a better deal, which United would be mad to agree to. If he gets a good transfer then fulfilling that goal will go one better than the accumulation of his on the field goals and assists for United.




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05 Aug 2019 14:52:26
We have some decent young forwards. We need to give them a chance. We should sell Lukaku without replacement. I still think we will do that, but for a little less than we have been holding out for once the window in England closes.

If we need anyone else, it is in midfield. I'm glad Dybala is off. We should spend the money elsewhere.




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13 Jul 2019 21:16:52
The club should not sell its assets cheaply but there comes a time when holding on makes not much business sense if it means retaining a player who is not going to get game time and whose salary is taking up needed space. If that's the case for Lukaku then £60m would at least be a profit on the residual book value and £5m a year off the wages bill. That's a lot of conjectures and we have no idea what's going on, or even whether there are any serious talks or with whom. In any event we should trust Ed Woodward. We all know he has amazing expertise in the transfer market.




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01 Jul 2019 13:24:30
Solid if not spectacular player well exploited by SAF. His arrival to play on the right side seemed to correspond with the deterioration in Nani, who never seemed as happy on the left. Many a left back will miss being rapped on the legs and torso by his ill-timed crosses.





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27 Jan 2020 13:13:37
Even CR7 has a great work ethic. Whatever ones level of natural talent it will be enhanced by hard work. However football remains a team game, and however much hard work you put in to enhance your own gifts, if the team doesn't play as a team, it will come to nothing. That's the beauty of players like John O'Shea. Not only did they work hard, they understood and filled their role within the team. They allowed the flair of others to shine.


{Ed001's Note - Shanks used to say you needed 8 to do the carrying and 3 to play the tune.}



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20 Jan 2020 21:29:36
I hold no love for the Glazers. I regard their leveraged buy out and the amount of money that went to covering debt over their first 8-10 years to be the starting point of our decline, but at this point in time, the reason for the malaise is not necessarily the ownership but the management. The Glazers themselves are not responsible for the club structure, it's the CEO. Nor are they responsible for the selection of manager and players. New owners would not necessarily cure anything, especially if they leave the operational structure in place.

Some of this (a lot, perhaps) is down to bad management but some of it is cyclical. No team can stay at the top for ever. Regime changes result in changes in ethos and style, and results. United have not yet discovered an identity for the post-Ferguson era. Neither have Arsenal in the wake of Wenger's departure. New owners per se won't solve the problems - they will need to make the right decisions.




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20 Jan 2020 21:15:08
As someone once said, "the misfortune of others is the consolation of fools".




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15 Jan 2020 14:31:21
The only good press, however you spin it, is winning, preferably with style.




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08 Jan 2020 11:13:59
The rot set in the day the Glazers bought the club saddling us with enormous debt and high interest payments making the timely replacement of like with like as players aged a thing of the past.

Only the will power, nous, and ability of Sir Alex, coupled with the marketing power of the EPL and the CEO's ability to capitalize on a United brand that someone else created for him, held it together for so long. The last six and half years are the fruit of the first 10 under the Glazers. Yes, they have spent money - lots of it since - but they have spent it unwisely because they haven't a clue what they're doing as far as football itself is concerned. Not a clue.

Ed 002 has blamed the toxic fans in the past, but nowadays he regularly talks about the incompetence of the club's management. In truth it has always been a failure of management that's at the root of the problems. (This is not the fault of the Board except insofar as they retain the services of a CEO and team who don't know how to inspire a football club)

I sometimes wonder, when the Glazers took over and our debt was £600m+ and revenues were £230m, what would have happened if all of a sudden the club started sputtering on the field as it's doing now. Would we have survived? Would we have gone the way of Leeds United? The Glazers have been very lucky. They leveraged the club and made a lot of money. But it could have been otherwise. It may yet be.

As far as Ole is concerned he is obviously out of his depth. I have not been a great fan of Pocchetino for the role, that is assuming he's even interested in the position, but I will give him this. He did a very good job working with a young Tottenham team, giving them an identity and style. He may not have won anything, but at this point in time winning things should not be the top priority.

We need to get back to basics. What we have are a number of very promising young players and not much else. Let him get rid of the dead wood, give him the budget he never had at Spurs, and perhaps, in 2-3 years, we will have a decent football team again. despite the incompetence of Woodward and his team.