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13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.

shawthing

1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!


2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.


3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.


4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.


 

 

05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.

shawthing

1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.


2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.


3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.


4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.


5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?


6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?


7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .


Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .


8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.


9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.


10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.


11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.


12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'


13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.


 

 

30 Nov 2016 18:23:29
I cannot see us changing the manager under virtually any circumstances other than a complete capitulation. Without that Jose will be given the year. If we win the Europa and finish 8th in the league we will be in the Champions League. (I think we will finish 5th or 6th) . If we were to fire him then finding a new manager will be difficult except, of course, that failure = a big pay off when the contract is cancelled which may be something of a consolation.

A lot of the criticism is unfounded. The team has been playing quite well, just not getting the results. This brings us to Ibra. We all knew from the beginning that his role was a short term stop gap for a year or two while Martial and Rashford mature.

The last 3 years have been pretty dire by our standards, but at least this year the team is playing with attacking intent. Be grateful. At least that's the first of the complaints about LVG satisfied. In my view the anxiety of the fans is feeding into the players, so relax folks. Support the team and the manager and have hope.

shawthing

1.) 30 Nov 2016 21:59:30
He is staying. Keep this simple.


 

 

29 Nov 2015 23:27:16
Another week goes by and the top teams struggle to win. City's scoreline flattered them, with their goals coming as much from errors by Southampton. It really has become a difficult league and our point at Leicester was not bad, all things considered. If Arsenal have Sanchez injured for a while their challenge may well falter, giving Liverpool and Spurs an opening. We have an opportunity to take advantage of what should be some winnable games and go into the new year on top. Will we take it?

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06 Jun 2018 00:21:51
For those of you old enough to remember the song by Bernard Cribbins:

Right said Fred

I signed for United 

We're going to win the EFL

City's in trouble

Gonna burst their bubble

We're going to crush Liverpool

And Messi and the rest
Gonna know we are the best

U-ni-ted rule.

shawthing

1.) 06 Jun 2018 06:35:58
Shaw, it doesn’t contain enough expletives mate, and there are far too many words for football fans to remember. There used to be some great songs but nowadays there seems to be a lack of imagination.


2.) 06 Jun 2018 08:29:02
I've got it AJH,

Oh Freddy Freddy,
Freddy Freddy Freddy Freddy Fre-eh-dy!

Okay?

{Ed001's Note - you might want to drop the Oh...}


3.) 06 Jun 2018 08:30:10
Sorry, no expletives, how about this .

Oh Freddy Freddy,

Freddy, Freddy, Freddy, F*%&ing Fre-eh-dy.

That's definitely it this time.


4.) 06 Jun 2018 09:54:43
AJH, he said Bernard Cribbins, not Bernard Manning.


5.) 06 Jun 2018 09:54:57
So Shawthing . We sign Fred get relegated and then win "EFL". And you want us to sing about it.
It's a no from me ⚽⚽😆😆⚽⚽.


6.) 06 Jun 2018 11:14:53
To Twinkle little star:

Tackle tackle little Fred,
Win the ball and prove you’re Red,
Pass it, pass it to big Paul,
He can do magic with the ball.


7.) 06 Jun 2018 14:48:26
Please stop it now :)


 

 

05 Jun 2018 00:00:25
Interesting to read that the French fans are thinking very much like the United fans with calls for Pogba not to make the first XI. It leads me to ask whether there is something of the Balotelli about him? A player with incredible skill and physical attributes but whose demeanour and attitude invite controversy and ultimately undermine his progress.

shawthing

1.) 05 Jun 2018 00:55:14
I don't know too many united fans who want pogba out of our first 11. Whos going to replace him, mctominay?

The reality is pogba started the season off in good form when we played with the slightest hint of freedom and tempo, then got injured, came back played superbly well against watford and arsenal away, got sent off then mourinho decided to start one of his pointless arguments with his players again and signed alexis sanchez with no real thought about how he was going to use him. As a result pogba form tailed off significantly similar to martials.

The comparison with balotellli is unwarranted, as pogba has in no way invited controversy the way mario did. Has pogba thrown darts at youth teams players, set off fireworks in his bathroom and started fights with his teammates and manager?

No he just has the audacity to have an expressive personality, use social media a bit too much and earn lots of money.


2.) 05 Jun 2018 02:02:06
Well that's well said TBH! Great response DSG.


3.) 05 Jun 2018 08:53:22
There's a bit more to it that DSG. The problem we have with Pogba is his lack of effort, drive and committment; he just cruises around the pitch. When we see what he's capable of, such as second half against city, we get frustrated that he doesn't do it on a regular basis.

A player of Pogba's ability should be running games and far to often he goes missing. Think back to Scholes and how he wanted the ball all the time. The ball went through him throughout the match and when he recived it he knew exactly where he was going to pass it to.

Fans aren't stupid, we know when a player is being half arsed and we see it in Pogba week in week out, just as we can see a player like Kante or our Sanchez runs around like a maniac for 90 minutes every week. I think it's fair that we demand the same from Pogba and he gets it in the neck when he doesn't deliver.


4.) 05 Jun 2018 09:56:20
I agree mancman sanchez does run around like a maniac but he also gives the ball away like its gone out of fashion. he's been extremely poor since he joined and got nowhere near the stick pogba has got. Surely running around a lot can not hide the fact sanchez has been awful.

Pogbas lack of effort doesn't ring true to me, are there any running stats or distance covered stats which show he's been putting in half arsed performances? As far as i am aware our whole team has the worst distance covered stats in the premier league so hardly a problem just for pogba.

Or does his languid, sometimes casual style give off the impression that he doesn't care.


5.) 05 Jun 2018 10:37:15
Think pogba’s General style makes it seem that he isn’t trying. Ozil gets the same treatment and is an easy scapegoat when arsenal are playing poorly. But unfair to be honest. I think the reason why fans of both united and France are frustrated with him is that he is so unbelievably talented and has the attributes and ability to do things that only the best can do. But he is still inconsistent and it is very frustrating. There comes a point when a player has to step up and live up to that potential. I think he will kick on next season but if he doesn’t he has to start shouldering the blame.


6.) 05 Jun 2018 10:45:08
Park is spot on about Pogbas playing style. Ed001 told us that when he signed.


7.) 05 Jun 2018 10:55:31
Watch him live and he walks around the pitch .
Only comes alive when he gets the ball, never anticipates a pass and intercepts a pass or bust a gut to win it back, doesn't want to do the dirty work.
It's a part of his game he needs to improve.


8.) 05 Jun 2018 11:19:08
I enjoy Pogba as a player. Can be a joy to watch but its little things that let him down.

Number one is that he does not move the ball quick enough. He has the ability to play 1 or two touch but he insists on a little turn or a drag back which infuriates me.

People want Pogba to boss games. To dominate the midfield. With all his abilities it seems like he should. I don't think he's as confident as people think. Just because he's on social media and has outlandish haircuts does not mean he's confident. wouldn't be suprised if all that's hiding some sort of insecurity. Jose hammering him and the media always scrutinising can't help.

I want him to stay but we need a leader in the midfield. A Keane like attitude to take the battle on and let Pogba be free to get around the pitch and influence. He has so much ability, can pass, shoot and is strong as on ox. Would love to see him arriving late in the box like Scholes used to. We have spent 89 million on a player but do nothing to complement him. Even if we spend another 50 mill on that said player, we have still spent less than Barcelona did on Coutinho. I would take an happy Pogba and a solid midfielder over that any day.


9.) 05 Jun 2018 11:57:17
DSG, Since when does languid and casual not mean half arsed?

This notion that it is just his 'style' is just rubbish. If he put in more effort then he wouldn't be languid or casual.

When was the last time you saw Pogba sprinting anywhere, nevermind really busting a gut? Do you get the sense that he leaves everything on the pitch? I don't.


10.) 05 Jun 2018 12:59:28
Question - I remember at the time berbatov getting criticism for his languid style and fans preferring tevez. I think berbatov was a much better player but tevez was a better team player and we looked a better side with him in. Would people prefer a player with that bit of magic or someone that works hard?

{Ed004's Note - I think it's Pogbas running style that results in people criticising him a lot for his apparent lack of effort. I can't remember where I seen it earlier in the season but he was frequently covering the most ground in our side. We don't press as a team so as a result we don't really see any player bar Sanchez closing down with any intensity so I think that makes a lot of people think Pogba isn't putting the work in.}


11.) 05 Jun 2018 13:59:29
Last time I remember seeing pogba bust a gut was that run against city for his second goal. He is such a threat on those areas and for whatever reason he doesn’t do it. Down to tactics mostly but his desire has been found wanting a lot this season.


12.) 05 Jun 2018 14:21:33
Park, that's exactly the word; DESIRE! I don't get the sense that Pogba really has any and so it seems neither do many of the French. This talk of style or confidence are excuses. Either the guy does it on the pitch or he doesn't and most of the time he doesn't. He has the talent and ability so we have to assume he's not really that bothered ie he doesn't have the desire. Well, I don't have the desire to support him every week while he doesn't have the desire to play his heart out for Manchester Utd. I'd rather we find someone else who does. Unfortunately this spies to most of the squad atm. No wonder Jose has lost his patience.


13.) 05 Jun 2018 14:42:59
Park, imagine if Berbatov had the same desire and put in the same effort as Tevez. What a player he would have been.


14.) 05 Jun 2018 14:42:59
Park, imagine if Berbatov had the same desire and put in the same effort as Tevez. What a player he would have been.


15.) 05 Jun 2018 17:10:51
MancMan the combo of Berba and tevez would have been some player. Tevez was my favourite player when he was with us and that soon changed when berba joined. Very few had a better first touch.

The question has to be does pogba have the desire to be the best? Or does he have the desire to all the things necessary to be the best? It seems that he picks and chooses what he wants to do. He wants to do the flicks and tricks but not the clever runs and off the ball work. I was a believer that he would do very well under pep. I think he would be better than De Bruyne statistically. But pep demands every single player work hard for the team. Not sure how pogba would do doing that. I’m still a massive fan and want him to stay.


 

 

03 Jun 2018 15:03:38
How do we properly assess a manager's results in relation to his transfer dealings? Is net spend relevant, especially in the early years when the squad may be void of quality and inherent market value, and the manager has to rebuild from the ground up?

The fact is, as Park points out below, Jose's acquisition costs have not been particularly high in relation to the managers of the other top teams. His results by any reasonable measure have not been bad, certainly better than Poch and Wenger. We've managed to get back to 2nd in the league and we've won 2 trophies. From a results point of view Mourinho has been successful, though perhaps not as successful as we would like.

Let's start to look at net spend once he's had the opportunity to fully make the team his own and rid it it of the LVG/ Moyes hangovers. Additionally, if we are to consider net spend then we would also need to consider market value of the squad, because some of the deficit in net spend may be more than made up by actual market value.

shawthing

1.) 03 Jun 2018 15:40:02
Spot on shaw I said something similar down the page. United rarely sell their top players to rivals in their prime, except with Ronaldo and di Maria. We have average players on huge contracts which is down to our own doing. But that makes it difficult to get these players off the book. So when we sell these players they are often surplus to requirements. Hopefully we will start selling some of these players and improve the squad more.


2.) 03 Jun 2018 15:41:50
Another issue is when we bid for a player there seems to be a premium of 20m added on. Other clubs don’t face this as much as we do. Whether that’s down to negotiation or not I’m not sure. But morata springs to mind. Was priced at 75m to us but Chelsea bought him for 60m. At the end of the day we need to take the same stance with our top players like De Gea or pogba. We seem to be starting to do that which is great to see.


3.) 03 Jun 2018 16:17:21
Surely they have to be judged if they successfully fill a need that you bought them for.

For example we bought darmian to be our first choice right back. We probably still need a first choice right back even though valencia has performed admirably.

Shaw to be left back for years and years. Still need a left back.

Bailly, lindelof and rojo and we still need a commanding centre half.

Blind, schweinsteiger, fellaini, Schneiderlin. Still have a hole to fill in midfield.

Depay, sanchez, martial and we still need to buy a winger.

Whether they cost £1 mil or £100 million if they don't fill a role then they have been a flop.


4.) 03 Jun 2018 16:22:02
The manager is only a part (sometimes a small part ) of the process of identifying a player .


5.) 03 Jun 2018 16:31:07
Good post DSG - throw in Miki and Sanchez who look like shadows of the players they were as well.

I mentioned the other day that the problem isn't just Jose most managers make poor signings, but his signings have left a lot to be desired for the most part. Matic gets lots of praise, but he looked like he was running in treacle most games and he was often redundant when it came to snuffing out danger - contributing next to nothing going forward (compare him to Fernandinho, Kante, Dembele and it's a no contest) . We paid a lot of money for a small upgrade on Herrera. Lukaku has played well under the circumstances, but he doesn't fit a team with no wingers and no proper fullbacks - so deal doesn't make sense, nothing against the big man though who has done well off scraps.

Pogba has been ok, quality a handful of times, irrelevant the vast majority. For that money being spent you would expect better consistent quality being signed - so Jose has been very poor in the market. Again the weakness of LVG has helped Jose and schewed opinion, as for some bizarre reason people still use LVG as the benchmark.


6.) 03 Jun 2018 18:52:21
On the money there Beastie Boy.


7.) 03 Jun 2018 19:42:29
The reason of the players haven't performed is becauae of themselves. I think Lukaku did a very good job this year, i didn't really rate him that much.

Aa for players like mkhi and Pogba they are to blame themselves.

Matic has done a good job but he is getting older and isn't really superfast to run around and be everywheree.


8.) 03 Jun 2018 20:16:49
Do we want to give Mourinho more money to spend?

He has bought 2 centre backs already, and he still feels he needs another one. For some reason he dropped our only class CB in Bailly towards the end of the season and he didn't really give a real reason.

He gave Zlatan a huge contract while injured and he hardly played for the side again.

He has fallen out with Pogba, his own signing.

He has already sold Mkhitaryan, and Sanchez is let to prove his worth.

He has signed 8 players for nearly 300m. Only Matic and Lukaku can be called real successes so far.

So judging by his current average if he signs 4 players this summer three will be underwhelming and one will be a success.

So why would you want him to spend another 200-250m for one good player?


9.) 03 Jun 2018 20:26:51
Shappy

You need to stop with all the negativity and get with the programme.

Jose is the Messiah.

Jose has incredible relations his with his players.

Jose is the best man manager that has ever lived.

Jose was won like to of trophies, ergo Hea will win many more.

He has signed excellent players; if they have turned out to be pants that is down to them, not Jose who is completely blameless.

Players when fall out with ajose need a good talking to, they need to learn who the Messiah is and get a grip.

Shappy, enough with the doom mongering, we are on a steep upward curve and this time next year we will have won every trophy on offer. Stop being a sourpuss.


10.) 03 Jun 2018 20:28:47
DSG and Beast. Hit the nail on the head. Another point is which of our players can we honestly say are playing better? Valencia Shaw young hererra matic smalling jones bailly lindelof martial pogba Rashford lukaku mata sanchez Mctominay da gea lingard? Out of all these, ddg, but he has a gk coach. Young has had a good season. Lukaku has had a good start to his life in a United shirt. And Mctominay and Lingard have played well.
The rest of the players have been bang average. Can 10-12 players all have poor seasons out of coincidence? I'm not sure.


11.) 03 Jun 2018 20:41:13
You’re all wrong. Jose is doing great stuff, great great stuff. He has one of the greatest ever football brains, so big that he can control Luke Shaw’s body from the sideline. If we didn’t have Jose, we probably would be in league 1 by this stage.


12.) 03 Jun 2018 22:25:47
Biggly.


13.) 03 Jun 2018 22:36:49
Fake Noucamp.


14.) 04 Jun 2018 04:04:35
Is having a new manager in a World Cup season really that good of an idea? What with the reduced transfer window period in England.


15.) 04 Jun 2018 07:04:59
Is it better to keep walking down the wrong path rather than turn back and go the right way, just because it's getting dark?


16.) 04 Jun 2018 08:02:27
Judging by how posters go, the new manager (whoever he is) got no chance at all. Half a season of bad performance and results and everyone would want him to get out of the club.


17.) 04 Jun 2018 10:57:39
Shappy how are we walking down the wrong path? We have improved in every aspect of our game apart from in playing style. We have scored more goals, conceded less, highest position in over 5 years. Of course the playing style is terrible but we are playing with a defence that’s not good enough and two ex wingers as full backs. The club are actively looking to address this, whilst looking to add some quality in the cb and cm positions. Yes his man management has been poor with certain players but quite frankly in some cases it has been needed. Fergie used to sell players who he perceived was against his regime. I’m sure if Jose did that there would be an uproar on this site. Your dislike for Jose clouds some of your posts. What precedent does it set if we are sacking managers who finish second in the league?

Look at the situation Chelsea are in. Yes there are other issues there but sacking managers has harmed them in the long run. They have a hugely talented set of youngsters that have won the treble and quadruple in the last few years but have not been integrated into the squad. Whose fault is that? I suppose you think it’s jose’s But it’s a club structure issue where a manager is not there long enough to promote and work with these talented youngsters.

I don’t want to see us go that way. Whose to say if Jose stays and is successful he won’t promote the talented youth players such as Chong, Gomes or Hamilton? The club have promoted both McKenna and Carrick from within into coaching roles with McKenna said to be taking charge of training sessions. His youth team played some lovely football and I think it’s a great appointment. Do you really think the club did this against jose’s Will? Of course he endorsed this. The narrative that he is a miserable stubborn ego maniac is so boring and our own fans have been brainwashed by it. Yes he has narcissistic tendencies but you don’t get to the top without it. He may not be a right fit for united, I have reserved judgement on this till the end of next season. But I can guarantee the next manager will have a great squad to build with if and when he goes.


18.) 04 Jun 2018 14:51:54
Park or we will be left with a load of 30 year olds while our top youngster have left.

By the way the club buy players not Jose.


19.) 04 Jun 2018 15:31:01
Jred who said the top youngsters are leaving? Rashford is going nowhere and it’s only real martial who may be off. I think that would be a mistake for sure but I think he will stay another year.

Three of jose’s Signings can be considered ‘old’. Zlatan, Sanchez and matic. Sanchez is turning out to look like a mistake but I will give him the benefit of joining mid season. Miki again was 27 but he is no longer here. Zlatan in our first year was a good signing imo, but keeping him was a massive mistake. Seemed to be for sentimental reasons rather than logic. But he has now left as well. Matic has been a really good signing and we needed that experience in the middle of the park.

The rest of his signings are players who are young, so again the narrative he only signs finished articles doesn’t hold up. Bailly (24), pogba (25), Lukaku (25), lindelof (23) are all good buys imo. The issue remains that Jose is not getting the most out of them currently. Hardly leaving behind an old squad. Add the potential additions of Fred (25), dalot (19), Sandro (26), Milinkovic-Savic (23) and these are not ‘short-termism’ buys. Ok Alderweireld is 29 and bale is 28, but they are both established world class players that we need. I don’t see how people can argue that Jose only buys old players. It’s just another stick to beat him with to suit the agenda against him.

My issue with him is that he is not getting the best out of the squad at all. If we are still in a similar position come January I will be in the Jose out camp. But he deserves another year of backing and support from us fans to try and win us the league. I don’t why that’s a problem for some fans.


20.) 04 Jun 2018 15:59:23
Park
I'm in the camp I would give him another 12 month .
But can't understand all these post about Jose "doing no wrong" .


21.) 04 Jun 2018 16:10:08
Jred I’m with you mate. I’m in the same camp as you. I don’t understand why it has to be two polar opposites of in or out.


 

 

20 May 2018 13:52:30
How many times do people say we want to see a team that plays the United way? Well, let's analyze this.

Since the 1998/ 9 treble winning year when we scraped by Bayern Munich having created nothing for 90 minutes, what has playing the United way accomplished outside domestic tournaments? One more champions league cup for which we needed a John Terry slip to win? Hardly emphatic. Since then playing the United way has been shown to be no match for playing the Barcelona way. In fact, as far as Europe is concerned, playing the United way has been largely unsuccessful when compared to playing, say, the Liverpool way.

In the league, we had one year 1999/ 2000 when we scored 97 goals, but other than that the most we have scored is 87 when we were 3rd. We actually won the title in 2008/ 9 scoring 68 goals, the same as we did this year. Half a dozen more goals at opportune times this year and we could have been 10 points better off and still have been a distant second to City, who scored 105 goals and achieved 100 points, both records, not playing the United way.

When supporters say they want to see us playing the United way I have to say why? The United way is passé and has shown itself to be second best on the international stage, geared mainly to slog it out through the bleak winter months of the English premier league. It's a fantasy. What we need is something else, a new United way.

shawthing

1.) 20 May 2018 14:09:51
Go and watch Ronaldo Rooney scholes Beckham etc etc it was a great watch .


2.) 20 May 2018 14:25:11
Shaw utd way means attacking football and giving youngsters a chance, it isn't the fergie way or the Busby way. Tactics differ from manager to manager but the intent to score goals and actually try and win matches should remain the same, that for me is the utd way, also what the way outside cl achieved is 7 premier league titles, is that now supposed to be nothing now?


3.) 20 May 2018 14:26:58
Couldn't care less about the "United Way" or the "Sir Alex Years" anymore. I think the majority of us want to look forward to watching the game, thinking we'll play a slither of attacking football at the least.

Not just watch it because it's on, then be bored senseless after.


4.) 20 May 2018 14:33:54
We were fantastic in that CL campaign up to the final, we went into the final without 2 of our most influential players and 3 others out of position. Plus its a final, winner takes all, nerves, occassion etc etc.

We were again terrific first haLf in Moscow, missed chances then lampalrd scored a comeday goal on the stroke of half time.

The United way is still an entertaining way to play, high intensity play with wingers - nice to watch and we have had great success since Busby with it.

It could still be great if we had the players and the same mindest we had under Fergie, Busby . even that one relegation season and under Docherty we played some wonderful football.

I admit Liverpool play great stuff, but I remember the passing back from Neal, to hughes to clemence etc etc, slow slow build up then the long ball up to Toshack knock down to Keegan etc etc.


5.) 20 May 2018 14:56:57
Sepp Blogger -and there we have our problem. tactics, skilful players, big name players, youngsters. makes no difference if the manager is a defence minded coach, the chances of playing attractive, attacking football are very small. and a defence minded coach is very much what we have - he has had a few high scoring seasons in his career, but few and far between.

All the indications are he isn't going to change anytime soon.


6.) 20 May 2018 15:03:48
I think it was Evra who said sir alex told him to get the crowd at old Trafford going by getting forward in the early minutes by overlapping the winger and getting a ball into the box. The United way is exciting wingers, high intensity and attacking football. I miss those days.


7.) 20 May 2018 15:04:06
That CL was epic, the final we wasn’t so great but won it spectacularly, all the way along we was great to watch in that tournament.


8.) 20 May 2018 15:17:40
We can all cherry pick situations to try and make a point. But watching this Man Utd and that Man Utd is a totally different experience.

The old Man Utd had some sort of consideration to the fans desire and giving value for money - the fans had a voice, the club cared about winning, but winning in style.

This Man Utd is 100% focused on finances, performance is irrelevant so long as the financial targets are accomplished (top 4 by hook or by crook) . Such is the world unfortunately, but anybody saying that the garbage Jose is serving up is what Utd are known for around the world is in total denial. This is not what hundreds of millions of people fell in love with.

Furthermore anybody trying to play-down the entertainment value of Utd under SAF for the vast majority of his career with us, needs to take a weekend off and watch a few season compilation DVD's and check themselves! The highlights over the past 5 years wouldn't even make it in the bloopers section, they literally wouldn't waste the film!


9.) 20 May 2018 15:27:38
the united way isn't a formation or a tactic.

The united way in a word is to "believe"

Believe in youth, believe you can win at all times against anyone even if you are the under dogs, believe you can score a 95th minute equaliser or winner, believe your striker will control the ball so you make a run, believe you can thread a ball between 2 players so you don't pass it 5 yards sideways,

SAF didn't use the same tactics or formation every game for 26 years. SAF could be as pragmatic as anyone when it was needed.

But when SAF was pragmatic it was only normally in the big games and not against West ham in a dead rubber game and his pragmatism wasnt just how do I stop the opposition it was how do I stop them and exploit their weaknesses.

SAF didn't always get it right no one does but the intent was always there it was always positive.

He wouldn't be bashing rashford in public saying all the things he does wrong, he would be positive saying the things he does well but there are areas he can work on to be great even if SAF didn't believe it he would big players up make them believe that they can, not make them believe they can't by throwing them under the bus.


10.) 20 May 2018 15:36:44
We have certainly had some entertaining sides, no question, and this one is not. We had the most money and the best premier league manager. Before that we also had a quarter of a century in the wilderness playing the United way. But along the way the league changed from being predominantly British, and then northern European, to being truly international in its make up regarding players and ownership. The structural advantage United had has now disappeared. Tactics have changed too. So my question remains, what does the United way mean in terms of football today? Is it playing like City or perhaps Liverpool who scored 16 more goals than us but finished behind us in the league while making it to the Champions League final?

It's the age old debate. Is winning or style more important? With the players at our disposal and the ones we have been able to acquire 3 successive managers have been have felt constrained by the conundrum of either sacrificing attack to protect a less than convincing defence, or sacrificing a potential champions league spot by committing too far forward with players who are not Ronaldo, Rooney and Beckham and are not going to capitalize to the same extent on their opportunities.

{Ed001's Note - you have not had managers who have felt constrained. You have had 3 successive managers who have played the same way throughout their careers. Nothing to do with the players at their disposal, they played the same way everywhere they went.}


11.) 20 May 2018 16:18:26
Said in a post the other day I think Ed, baffling why a club with out history and style, ethos etc have then gone and appointed 3 successive mangers as far away from our ethos you can get.

{Ed001's Note - it is an odd set of choices.}


12.) 20 May 2018 17:15:39
Because Woodward is a finance expert not a football expert. Same as he chases signing who can sell merchandise but don't fit what's needed.


13.) 20 May 2018 18:50:56
Schnauzer, very good post, I agree with everything you say.


 

 

13 May 2018 22:23:41
Had we won the league playing this brand of football, which well we might of but for City's unparalleled season (105 goals and 100 pts) and some awful performances against the promoted clubs, would anybody be happy here? Or would we all be bitching and moaning about the dull performances? Are United supporters the hardest of all to satisfy?

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1.) 13 May 2018 22:37:19
I would. Can anyone here actually say they enjoy watching us play? It’s a bore fest week in week out. Really is so poor.


2.) 13 May 2018 22:47:44
I’m sorry but I don’t believe people who say they would not be happy if we won the league playing this way. We haven’t won the league for 5 years so we would all be buzzing. It is all about winning full stop. Yes entertainment is very important but we play to win. Let’s say we have won a few titles and we are still playing poorly style wise then I can understand people being unhappy. But I would take winning the league again any way, shape or form because I am desperate to remember what it feels like to win the league again. We have been spoilt by the success under Fergie and so the next title win will be more satisfying and enjoyable than any of the others for me, whether we play football like city or boring football.


3.) 13 May 2018 23:08:55
Park, it’s not ALL about winning. Are you saying that any team outside the big 6 in England, who never compete for the league, do their fans not enjoy watching them play because if it’s all about winning, then what’s the point in them?

It’s supposed to be enjoyable. To pay £750 for a season ticket, plus travelling, parking, and all the rest, call it £1500 a year, surely you pay that to be entertained and enjoy yourself? I can’t rmemeber the last time I went to Old Trafford and came from there thoroughly satisfied.

I would rather have finished 4th and have a CL final playing the brand of football the scousers have watched this season than finish 2nd watching the garbage we serve up. And that’s the truth.


4.) 13 May 2018 23:29:21
Hate to admit it, but agree with stand. I rarely even go out of my way to watch us play these days. It's just so boring. If we're on tv and I'm not doing anything else then I'll put it on, but I won't spend money to watch us any more. I just end up bored and frustrated, so what's the point.


5.) 13 May 2018 23:47:07
Stand I know it’s about enjoyment but that is for the fans. At the end of the day the players, managers and clubs play to win. You don’t get trophies for taking part. I do think that attractive football and winning trophies are not mutually exclusive. You can do both as pep has shown this year and Fergie has in the past. Arsenal have played beautiful football for years but have won nothing. Ask those fans if they would sit through a mourinho season and win the title and I bet they would bite your hand off. I agree that I would much rather be in Liverpool’s position I’m not denying that. But if they had gone out to city in the quarters and finished 4th I don’t think you would be saying that. Same way if we were 4th and playing the way we are but in the champions league final I’m sure you would be celebrating just as hard as if we played champagne football. It’s a game of opinions and I respect yours but for me football is about winning. I am happy to sacrifice some style it it means we win the big honours. I would not be satisfied if we played entertaining football and only challenged for top 4.


6.) 14 May 2018 05:56:11
Couldnt agree more park!

Yes i'd love to have had citeh's season at UTD but if u ask for an either or. then i pivk winning it ugly over playing beautiful football and winning nothing.


7.) 14 May 2018 09:06:35
Jose is a cream egg for diabetics is the best way for the José out side to look at it, he is here for a moderately ok time not a long time. The squad and united should be in a decent position when he does leave as long we haven't signed papa bouba Diop in the interim. He does fit the big and old criteria.


8.) 14 May 2018 10:40:49
Totally agree ezrs.
If Liverpool lose their cl final and we win the fa cup we have had a much better season than them imo. Despite them spending more.

Spurs for all their beauty scored 1 goal more all season and have no final to look forward to.

I'd rather have substance over style but would obviously prefer both together.

We have players who have given us no style for 5 years under 3 managers. Results have now improved when we get a couple of new players the style will improve somewhat.

Get rid of the weak lily liverd cowards with no substance from our squad and get players in that match the managers desire to win and we will be fine.


9.) 14 May 2018 14:08:22
And ken what if Liverpool win the CL and we lose the final,?


10.) 14 May 2018 17:08:03
We will jabs had a better league campaign than them and they will have done better in the cup comps stand. Pretty obvious that one.


 

 

 

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Win Dallot? I've heard he can turn on the gas.

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16 May 2018 19:06:30
I don't see how anyone can judge Shaw properly without not only giving him an extended run in the side but also having him play behind a consistently selected left sided winger.

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He's not worth a penny over £150m.

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Wouldn't surprise me if RM themseves were behind the Ronaldo rumours with the intention of complicating the Morata deal and ultimately getting a better price.

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17 Jun 2018 11:54:27
The guy remains phenomenal. I'm sure he could contribute in the prem for a couple of years. I don't care how it happened but scoring 3 goals against Spain is extraordinary and something inconceivable for any English player (I hope to be proved wrong during the next month) . But the reality is his overall contribution will decline markedly every year, while the attention demands of his massive ego and the constant press attention will probably not. His massive salary will reduce funds needed for investments in new players and will block the natural progression of younger players and the team in general. A reunion between United and Ronaldo is just a piece of nostalgic twaddle. It won't and shouldn't happen. It can only end badly.

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09 Jun 2018 13:31:11
I would think that .05% is a statistic that's not far off the norm in other countries and sports. It certainly is in the US. About 2% of high school athletes make it to college sports, the normal route to the professionals. In all major sports except baseball less than 2% of the college players take the next step. There is a very natural and extreme winnowing process from being a good 10 year old athlete to becoming a professional. There are, after all, only 500 squad places in the EPL in any given year.

Of course it also depends on how one defines "make it". If one ends up playing for Exeter City after having been through our academy, does that count as making it?

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08 Jun 2018 13:28:52
A friendly against CR is very different to the EFL. Let's see how Rashford does against sterner opposition.

He did have a difficult and frustrating season for United. He dribbled too much, and his passing, link up play and awareness were frequently poor. I often thought he was trying too hard. Separate from the question of whether Mourinho is responsible for the apparent decline, I thought he was treated fairly on the basis of his performances. Both Sanchez and Pogba were dropped for various games.

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27 May 2018 17:48:41
He single handedly lost them the game. I'm not surprised at the reaction. United fans have no place to be critical of anyone.

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20 May 2018 15:36:44
We have certainly had some entertaining sides, no question, and this one is not. We had the most money and the best premier league manager. Before that we also had a quarter of a century in the wilderness playing the United way. But along the way the league changed from being predominantly British, and then northern European, to being truly international in its make up regarding players and ownership. The structural advantage United had has now disappeared. Tactics have changed too. So my question remains, what does the United way mean in terms of football today? Is it playing like City or perhaps Liverpool who scored 16 more goals than us but finished behind us in the league while making it to the Champions League final?

It's the age old debate. Is winning or style more important? With the players at our disposal and the ones we have been able to acquire 3 successive managers have been have felt constrained by the conundrum of either sacrificing attack to protect a less than convincing defence, or sacrificing a potential champions league spot by committing too far forward with players who are not Ronaldo, Rooney and Beckham and are not going to capitalize to the same extent on their opportunities.

shawthing

{Ed001's Note - you have not had managers who have felt constrained. You have had 3 successive managers who have played the same way throughout their careers. Nothing to do with the players at their disposal, they played the same way everywhere they went.}