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13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.

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1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!


2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.


3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.


4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.


 

 

05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.

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1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.


2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.


3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.


4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.


5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?


6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?


7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .


Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .


8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.


9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.


10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.


11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.


12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'


13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.


 

 

30 Nov 2016 18:23:29
I cannot see us changing the manager under virtually any circumstances other than a complete capitulation. Without that Jose will be given the year. If we win the Europa and finish 8th in the league we will be in the Champions League. (I think we will finish 5th or 6th) . If we were to fire him then finding a new manager will be difficult except, of course, that failure = a big pay off when the contract is cancelled which may be something of a consolation.

A lot of the criticism is unfounded. The team has been playing quite well, just not getting the results. This brings us to Ibra. We all knew from the beginning that his role was a short term stop gap for a year or two while Martial and Rashford mature.

The last 3 years have been pretty dire by our standards, but at least this year the team is playing with attacking intent. Be grateful. At least that's the first of the complaints about LVG satisfied. In my view the anxiety of the fans is feeding into the players, so relax folks. Support the team and the manager and have hope.

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1.) 30 Nov 2016 21:59:30
He is staying. Keep this simple.


 

 

29 Nov 2015 23:27:16
Another week goes by and the top teams struggle to win. City's scoreline flattered them, with their goals coming as much from errors by Southampton. It really has become a difficult league and our point at Leicester was not bad, all things considered. If Arsenal have Sanchez injured for a while their challenge may well falter, giving Liverpool and Spurs an opening. We have an opportunity to take advantage of what should be some winnable games and go into the new year on top. Will we take it?

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11 Feb 2018 13:42:22
{Ed's Note - shawthing has posted a new article entitled, Complications with a European Super Champions League

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1.) 11 Feb 2018 15:08:41
Good post Shaw. I'd love to see a European Super League but I'm just not sure in practice how this would work and the effect it might have on those not involved?

Would it be of benefit to the whole game or just the big clubs involved.

If there was no promotion or relegation it might become pretty stale after a while?


 

 

09 Feb 2018 16:22:38
Despite our rising wage bill and the large amount being paid to Sanchez, which will in part be offset by Mhkitaryan's actual and Zlatan's imminent departure, it seems the total wage bill is still well below 50% of total sales/ revenues. The amount of revenue after deducting wages is more than £300m, which is more than the total revenue of all but 4 premier league teams. Most teams would be delighted with that. If Jose is truly intending to bring in only 2 or 3 new players in the summer then the healthy financial state we seem to be in seems set to continue - as long as we make top 3 or 4.

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1.) 09 Feb 2018 16:29:02
Add other potential departures on top too. Carrick will be retiring so can be added with Zlatan. Fellaini and Blind also likely to go. And I can see Smalling departing. All those would soak up 2-3 new arrivals.


2.) 09 Feb 2018 19:38:21
Please don’t forget about darmian going🙏.


 

 

03 Feb 2018 14:42:26
The argument Wenger makes about money destroying football is valid in many respects. It may sound like sour grapes coming from him, especially since Arsenal no doubt could have afforded to have taken a few more financial risks, but those of us who read the posts on here may well recall a recent discussion where the general mood was an overriding distaste for the business of the game as it has evolved. The money is obscene, and the result is that the German, English, Spanish and French leagues are runaways. City may be the best team ever to grace the English first division but their dominance makes watching them ultimately boring. It is doubt about the outcome, rather than the constant display of superior skills, that makes for entertaining sport. And the fact that they have an unlimited amount of money at their disposal would indicate the future will be a continuation of the same.

I appreciate how rich this may sound coming from a United supporter since we were the ones who benefitted best to the previous set of financial realities and enjoyed our period of domination. And, despite this season, we are still one of the few clubs that have enough resources to compete on City's level, assuming we have the right players and manager. So, for us, all is not lost. But the game in general - at least for those of us who are older - has become something different to the one we grew up on: something has been lost. Football clubs have become investment vehicles for international oligarchs, people who have no roots in the local communities, unlike the owners of the past. We all hunger for the possibility of surprise, for that Leicester City moment, for the success that no one can begrudge, that lends a sense of honesty or purity to the sport, but I fear that anomaly was a false dawn.

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1.) 03 Feb 2018 20:46:59
I'm not sure I entirely agree to be honest Shaw.

There has never really been parity in football. For as long as I can remember the general rule of thumb has been the team (s) that have spent the most money predominantly win the big trophies.

The game has exploded in recent years with sponsorship and TV revenue raking in millions. The fact the money is more evenly distributed in the Prem League has in my opinion improved the standard of most teams. Nobody has retained the title since we did in 09 and since then we've seen four different winners (if you include ourselves) .

We see music and movie stars make millions yet nobody appears to debate or criticise their salaries. Boxers can earn tens of millions for one fight, Formula 1 drivers earn fortunes and the best Golf and tennis players also earn hefty salaries.

Football is the worlds most watched sport. It's simply a question of economics.

We also see millions taken away from the game in agents fees, profit margins etc and maybe the inflated transfer fees we have seen recently are unsustainable. Only time will tell. I also think the Clubs could do a lot more to make the matches more affordable but that appears to be wishful thinking.

The competition in the premier league is pretty healthy but if you think watching the prem league is boring just take a look around the other European top leagues.

Bayern have won the last 5 German titles in a row and are heading for a 6th!
Juventus have won the last 4 Italian titles and look well placed for another. Up until last season PSG had won 4 in a row. Monaco broke the monotony but PSG look well set to strike right back. In Spain since 2001 only Valencia and Athletico have stopped the title going to either Barcelona or Real!

Maybe the next step in the evolution of our game will see the formation of a European Super League. Where that will leave the majority of clubs throughout Europe remains to be seen?

{Ed0333's Note - super little read that thanks Danny


2.) 03 Feb 2018 21:12:03
Ps - whilst I agree that a lot of foreign investors have jumped on the back of football in the hope of making a quick buck I'm not sure how this may have impacted football in the community or with looking after the soul of the game.

From the outside looking in City's owners looked to have done a decent job in regenerating East Manchester, building fantastic spots and leisure facilities, schools and even new housing. It would appear that some of their billions has also helped to re invigorate a once forgotten about area of the City and improve the lives of those living there.

maybe I'm showing my naivety here but when did football clubs really make a telling or noteworthy contribution to the community's of which they play? Maybe the Ed's could help with this one and comment if this has significantly declined with the rise in foreign investment?


3.) 03 Feb 2018 21:48:17
I agree there are two sides to the argument and it's clear City's owners have an ultra- long term business model, which they are executing very effectively. It's a credit to them that it's included significant investment in East Manchester.


4.) 03 Feb 2018 22:18:57
"City may be the best team ever to grace the English first division". seriously?

Not taking exception at you personally - because this is something we're hearing all the time in the media, and I'm getting sick of it.

If this City team goes on to dominant the league then fair enough but to compare them to the best we've seen just in the Premier league era alone they're not even close.

The standard in the league has dropped significantly imo - Leicester winning the league being the case in point - and that major fact needs to be taken into account.

Beyond that, in those more competitive leagues, the best Chelsea team with Drogba in full flow would throttle this City side, as would the best United sides with Cantona, Keano, Scholes, Rooney and so many more, as with the Arsenal invincibles.

Likewise ask any Liverpool fan with Dalglish and Rush and their dominance and they'd say the same.

This City team are good, and the bar needs to be raised, but not to new unseen levels, just to get back to what we're more used to at United!


5.) 03 Feb 2018 21:15:43
Thanks Ed, maybe getting a little deep for a Sat night now though 😂.

{Ed0333's Note - I like depth mate. Don’t usually get it on the Man Utd Page 😝


6.) 04 Feb 2018 01:13:35
Scotsbos01,
I read the original post and was astounded by how the poster dismissed some of the greatest sides to have graced the top flight over the years. There is no doubt that City have played some scintillating football over the course of this season but along the way they have enjoyed some tremendous luck ( as have some of the greatest sides) but to declare them te greatest side ever before they have won one piece of silverware is folly of the highest order.


7.) 04 Feb 2018 11:17:53
Good post, Danny. There's a snobbery about mostly working-class young lads earning so much money. Of course it's ridiculous money, but with all the billions swirling around inside football, I'd rather it went to the people that entertain us, as opposed to agents, administrators and lawyers.


 

 

31 Jan 2018 22:05:53
Wow. Poor Sanchez. That must have brought him back down to earth!

The performance was a continuation of the game against Burnley where we were relying on individualism rather than teamwork, possibly because with few exceptions, no one seems to know what anyone else is doing, resulting in passes going in one direction, while the intended recipient was headed somewhere else. And if your principle strategy is to play forward into the runs of your attackers then the correct weight of ball is an absolute requirement. In this respect Pogba has been appallingly deficient of late.

If it had been 5-0 we could not have complained so woeful were our defenders. Our midfield was completely swamped which would indicate the tactics were all wrong. Maybe shutting up shop would be better at this juncture, even if it does incur the wrath of the fans.

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26 Jan 2018 22:57:52
Great to see Sanchez. Clearly the instructions were to get him the ball primarily to give him his first experience within a new team and structure, and then to see what he could do. While his overall performance was excellent there were 3 or 4 occasions in the first half when his through passes seemed to be to no one, and I wondered whether this was because of the type of runs he's used to after his time at Arsenal, where the general style seems to rely on more intricate passing schemes, with runs in front of the defenders, as opposed to direct running into the spaces behind the defence. As with all great players, as the game wore on, he adapted to his teammates better and better.

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03 Aug 2017 19:59:22
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23 Jul 2017 20:46:28
He's not worth a penny over £150m.

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20 Jun 2017 13:13:24
Wouldn't surprise me if RM themseves were behind the Ronaldo rumours with the intention of complicating the Morata deal and ultimately getting a better price.

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08 Jun 2017 20:24:00
Compared to when the Glazers bought the club the interest payments are quite small. At that time our revenue/ turnover was approximately 1/ 3rd of what it is now and debt was twice as much with some high rate of interest loans. £400m net debt is very manageable especially when compared to Forbes recent valuation of the club at almost £3bn. In other words the directors have every reason to be satisfied with the capital structure of the club as it is. Debt elimination will be less important than fulfilment of the overall business plan.

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06 Jun 2017 22:38:53
Sanchez is in his last contract year with Arsenal which puts the power firmly in the hands of the player. The club will want to avoid the risk of losing him for nothing at the end of next season. Will he accept the reported £300k a week to stay where he is and play Europa League football? Given, no doubt, there are other suitors, is there any chance he will want to play in Manchester? Does he like Mourinho? I can see him leaving the Gunners for maybe £400k per week wages but a transfer fee closer to £50m than £80m.

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13 Feb 2018 15:44:51
Vidic and Evra both took a year to grow into the team, and as much as Vidic is praised, and for good reason, against some of the best teams/ players he was shown wanting. How many times did he get red carded against Liverpool? Besides which I'd rate Valencia as an improvement on Rafael, and Shaw is still re-emerging after an horrific injury and has the potential to be every bit as good as Evra.

You mention Scholes and Carrick but not Darren Fletcher? Scholes was brilliant but he was the last of his kind, a lifer who started out in the academy and stayed with the club until retirement. The other two were excellent players but it was not their brilliance or otherwise that was relevant so much as the way they fit into a team, and the heart they gave to it. Arguably Matic, Pogba and one new midfielder next year could be the equal of them. And as for the forwards, I think we might have an excellent group in Martial, Sanchez, Lukaku, and Rashford, although, as yet, they do not seem to be in sync. It's kind of understandable given the recent addition of Sanchez and the poor form of Pogba behind the forwards. So, yes, they have yet to prove themselves. Do we have a Christiano level player? No.

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07 Feb 2018 16:54:20
I wouldn't want to pile on the criticism here, but have to say that Rooney does not strike me as being quite smart enough, nor, more importantly, verbally able enough, to be a good manager. It was said, after all, after the publication of his autobiography, that he was the first person ever to have written a book before reading one.

Then of course there was that tongue in cheek dig at his presumed lack of intelligence during his regular appearance on the Special 1 TV puppet show, with a little segment called Wayne's Word. For some reason Wayne's explication of the word "catenaccio" strikes a lasting cord.

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06 Feb 2018 10:09:45
Rashford, despite his dip in form has 10 goals and 7 assists for us this season. How many other 20 year olds in the EPL have achieved that? Jesus for City would probably be ahead of him but for injury, but for now isn't. It's absolutely normal for a young player to have a down season after the initial euphoria of breaking into the first team dies down. Right now he's making some bad choices, probably because he's trying to hard, but there is absolutely no basis to write him off.

And I know it's only a year and a half in but Mourinho currently has a higher winning % than SAF.

Some perspective, please.

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03 Feb 2018 21:48:17
I agree there are two sides to the argument and it's clear City's owners have an ultra- long term business model, which they are executing very effectively. It's a credit to them that it's included significant investment in East Manchester.

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30 Jan 2018 22:20:00
Sanchez costs us his wages plus the un-amortized part of Mhki's transfer fee, which would be about £16k, plus all the other fees folks are just guessing at. Not that we're going to do it, but with the lengthy contract we now have with him, we could probably get £60m+ at the end of the season. Seems like good business to me.

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