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15 Jun 2017 10:20:14
Question for MAZE,

I see you have recently come back on the site all guns blazing having not posted for quite a while. In fact, just before the Europa League final victory ironically (though sure that is just a coincidence) .

Just wanted to ask your thoughts on the EL final win, did you celebrate like the rest of us? It was my favourite day as a United fan for a good few years, thought it was a tactical masterclass and made Ajaz look like League 1 level fodder.


1.) 15 Jun 2017 10:46:55
G'day GDS. What exactly do you want me to say here? That I wasn't pleased about United claiming CL qualification for next season? I really do not know why you have asked me such a foolhardy question.

Of course I was pleased United won the cup. Although if I am to be completely honest I was a little embarrassed for Mourinho for building up his achievement after his previous scathing remarks.

What was it the special one publicly said again a few years back something along the lines of 'Winning the EL would be a disappointment (or embarrassment I cannot remember the exact wording) ' and 'I don't want my players to feel that the EL is my teams level (again something along those lines) '. Some utterly pathetic backtracking from the gaffer in my view.

Again though winning a second rate cup for largely less reputable clubs was a means to an end that we were not capable of achieving in the PL so yes I am pleased with the ultimate outcome. As for not posting in a while I have simply been very busy. Does this answer suffice in answering your foolhardy question?

2.) 15 Jun 2017 11:04:22
The thing is Maze, with Jose comments, he meant his team failing to qualify for the CL and winning EL isn't good enough. But Jose took over with us in the EL, so he had no option. He didn't have a chance at CL as the previous manager failed to get united to qualify. So them comments are totally pointless to use.

3.) 15 Jun 2017 11:15:04
Stand you can wrap it in cotton wool all you like but Jose was trying to be-little Rafa Benitez's achievement with Chelsea that is why he said it. Now look at him crying after the Celta game and talking up his EL win so to me those comments are not 'pointless'.

4.) 15 Jun 2017 11:26:03

I pretty much expected you to say that, express that you were happy but then totally rip that view apart by laying into the manager and club. I was just wondering, you like to aim posts at me and call people out on their opinions so I thought I would ask you a question to provoke some debate seeing as you are posting a lot at the moment.

Do you not see the difference between winning the EL now compared to when he made them comments? If CL football had not been on offer for the winner we would have played the kids in the compeition and probably got knocked out in the group stage, the relief of manager, players and fans alike was there for all to see, we wanted to be in the CL next season and we are, 5 years ago when he made the comments we wouldn't have been, so can't really compare.

It is a huge coincidence that you are busy every time United seem to be doing well, thanks for saying I was 'foolhardy' for asking you a genuine question I am sure others are interested in the answer to as well. After all, you are the person who repeated in capitals each week that we would never win a trophy under Louis van Gaal, how did that one work out?

5.) 15 Jun 2017 12:00:06
i thought we won 3 tropies probably not the best ones but trophies never the less how many did the special one pep win.

6.) 15 Jun 2017 12:01:11
GDS you asked for an honest answer and I gave you one. I don't believe I have 'laid into the manager' I am just saying it as it is and as it was. Did I say anything untrue?

The point you are making about the comments is irrelevant because quite simply Jose made those comments to put down the achievements of his predecessor. Maybe if he kept his mouth shut at the time we wouldn't be having this conversation or maybe if his side were better in the PL he could have played the kids in the 'cup that is a disappointment'? I'm sure he was crying after the Celta game it was just something in his eye right?

I am busy guy GDS what can I say. I posted before the EL final did I not? As for the rest if the campaign is finishing 6th your idea of 'doing well'? It is really worrying if it is. As for the question you posed I believe others would be thinking "of course a United fan is pleased when United win" so again it was a foolhardy question.

My apologies I almost forgot that trophy LVG won (probs because I fell asleep during the final) but let's not recall past statements. Don't make me remind you of your claims of LVG's sides being great to watch or Smalling being the best CB in the league.

7.) 15 Jun 2017 12:15:07
Didn't Mourinho win the Europa with Porto? I think some people make the mistake of taking anything Mourinho says literally when what he is nearly always doing is plant phycological seeds in his own players and the minds of other managers and their teams. Much like SAF used to.

8.) 15 Jun 2017 12:26:33
Supasub that is what makes his comments even worse because winning the UEFA Cup was the making of him. It wasn't mind games because Rafa was gone from the PL by then, he just wanted to show off to the press and put down someone else's achievement by saying it was below him.

Fast forward 4 years later and he is crying his eyes out lauding his own victory in the same competition. This is why some folk didn't want him at United because he talks a hell of a lot ****. Narcissist or Hypocrite? You decide.

9.) 15 Jun 2017 12:37:40

Haha if you can find where I said we were great to watch under LVG or that Smalling is the best centre back in the league go ahead and show me but they never happened, whereas you came on here each week and in capitals told us that LVG would never win a trophy.

Yes you posted before the EL final, that was kind of my point. If you don't think calling the manager 'utterly pathetic' is laying into him then we obviously have differing views.

I am glad to hear you took a little satisfaction and happiness from winning the final, shame you did't come and share it with us like the league cup final and fa cup final before it.

I don't think finishing 6th was good enough and never said it was, I would rather get into the CL via the EL than finishing 2nd though. We missed too many chances in the league and will need to be more clinical next season (perhaps why we need to buy a striker despite you thinking we have enough already minus our top scorer) . The winning mentality from winning the cups now needs to be taken into the league, Old Trafford needs to become a fortress again, too many draws, though i think the last time we lost at home was against City in November so we aren't too far away.

10.) 15 Jun 2017 12:54:03
GDS if I could be bothered to delve into the archives I could easily find posts to support those claims. The Smalling one sticks out like a sore thumb as many posters including myself kept talking about the 2 x CM's constantly protecting Smalling to make him look good but you had him down as the next Rio. WOW!

Again GDS did I call Jose utterly pathetic as a manager or his contradictory actions regarding the EL trophy utterly pathetic? More twisted words I believe.

You clearly said I wasn't on here when 'things were going good this season' tell me about these 'good times' as from what I understand United finished 6th. Hence why I assume that these are the good times you speak of? No? Yes? Possibly?

I personally would rather finish 2nd than win the Sevilla cup. I'd rather leave that too the teams that aren't capable of constantly competing in the big time.

11.) 15 Jun 2017 13:15:44
Maze, the 2nd part of my post was clearly lost on you.

12.) 15 Jun 2017 13:37:47
Now then. I'm one who always casts envious eyes at City's players. With the players they've got, they have seriously underachieved.
Mourinho win three trophies with an average side.
Maze, while we weren't magnificent all season, we did play better than in recent years. We played more games than any side in Europe. We had serious injury problems.
Pep took over at City and achieved NOTHING despite having de bruyne sane Aguero sterling Silva yaya in the side.
Not sure what else mourinho was supposed to achieve.

13.) 15 Jun 2017 13:38:43
Trying to talk to the Wall Supasub, some people will never be happy.

GDS I actually watched the final with a Liverpool fan and he asked what I'd prefer to have, our season or theirs and I was baffled by his answer, he would rather qualify on merit according to him, yet we won three trophies and have qualified outright where as they need to qualify still.

Qualifying for a tournament because you finished fourth, winning no trophies or winning three trophies and finishing 6th, I'd rather have three days out and finish 6th than finish fourth aanytime.

14.) 15 Jun 2017 13:50:07
Schmid what has this got to do with City? Why don't we compare our season to Chelsea's instead?

Gazpat who is not happy here? If you are capable of reading you will see above I have said that I was pleased. I would agree with your friend assessment to an extent. The Europa league is essentially the back door into the CL and is designed to give clubs who would struggle to get into the CL on merit an opportunity.

15.) 15 Jun 2017 13:53:47
Gazpat i agree completely.

And as mentioned, i'd take winning the EL to qualify than finish 2nd. Trophy is a trophy and its one we have never won.

16.) 15 Jun 2017 14:01:08
Do we have to count the charity shield as winning a trophy?

It a one off game before the season has even started little more than a friendly.

17.) 15 Jun 2017 14:02:54
Better than 6th he was supposed to achieve and dare I say a little bit (lot) more attacking intent.

Jose played his Joker this season, probably both of them. No more left in the deck next season.

18.) 15 Jun 2017 14:28:28
Winning the Europa league is achieving cl on merit . We've won a trophy that we didn't have too albeit not the most decorated but I'm from a time when winning it was considered a good if not great thing for any club. You've still got to go and win it. I'm all for bringing in winners. I noticed Mazes players he'd like to bring in haven't won a trophy between any of them as far as I'm aware. Very romantic all the same to bring in players who are untested at the highest levels and think they will make the difference.

19.) 15 Jun 2017 14:28:34
Oh here comes the other one. You would have fired him in February Beast so God knows where we would be now if you got your way.


I don't want to cause arguments or get offensive as that isn't what it is about, was just having a bit of banter and you have started bringing up things I never said to defend your own comments.

The good times were clearly the 2 trophies that we won, one of them for the first time in our history. My original question was were you happy, you said yes and then named reason after reason why you weren't happy and are now calling it the Sevilla Cup to prove just how disappointed you are that we won this terrible trophy.

So in answer to my 'foolhardy' question despite you saying otherwise I will have to assume based on all your comments you weren't that happy, which is a shame. That's all I wanted to know, I will leave you now to get your knickers in a twist and make up more things I never said. Good afternoon.

20.) 15 Jun 2017 14:30:27
May be a good question to ask an arsenal fan next season if offered 4th place and back into champs league that way or win the Europa and come 5 th or 6th what would they see as a more successful season it seems to split opinion . As a one off option i'd take the later as a stopgap because as posters point out it wasn't JMS fault we weren't in champs league last season and he won a lot of what was available to him . However we can never accept 24 points off the pace again.

21.) 15 Jun 2017 16:12:37
And to further your point Slate151 -

City, our noisy neighbors and direct rivals who are managed by 'the messiah' - won nothing. Do people think they enjoyed their season more than UTD fans did?

22.) 15 Jun 2017 16:35:11
I think Utd had the 2nd best season of all in the EPL. Call me for it I wouldn't care.
But behind Chelsea no one else had a better season.

23.) 15 Jun 2017 16:51:24
I don't know why everyone bites at jmb and beast

Just don't reply to there posts if everyone is so bothered.

It's pointless having a debate with them because there always right.

24.) 15 Jun 2017 20:32:58
I am sure Jose is not satified with 6th and I am also sure he still regards the Europa as a minor competition and a low bar for a team like United. However there is a substantive difference between the Europa then and the Europa today - now it's a route into the Champions League. It's a far more important competition than it was prior to last season. I bet Wenger will be choosing teams to win it next season if for no other reason as insurance against dropping out of the top 4 again. It was a good decision by UEFA to raise the competition's profile by adding that carrot.

25.) 16 Jun 2017 00:38:24
I agree maze

He did say that smalling is king. It's like he cannot cope unless his name is all over the page.

If beast is not replying then I ignore it. Beast does not intimidate or ridicule people's views only the players. Sure why are th REGULARS the regulars

People to scared to post I suppose.

26.) 16 Jun 2017 00:50:49
Beast is a good man to have a conversation with always shows respect and can take people with opposite onions very well.
Unlike a couple of others who have double standards at every turn and only come on to stir trouble or have a row. I agree maze is one of tbose bolger but he is not alone.



11 May 2017 23:10:17
Maybe I'm swept up in the excitement of being there and seeing how happy everyone was at full time to be in to a European final but for god sake I've just read down this page and I am embarrassed.

Can you imagine any other team winning a European semi final and just moaning about how the team played? We got through, winning is what should make you happy watching football and we won, was it in style? No, but bloody hell it feels good to be there, now moan all you want in June if you aren't happy but let's get behind the lads and fingers crossed we win that final.

As Rio said apparently tonight, nobody cares who you beat in the semi final if you go and win the final! Now let's go and do that.

I know I get moaned at for being positive but for Christ sake tonight let's just he happy.


{Ed004's Note - I don't care how we played tonight. Delighted with the win but we need to improve for the final}

1.) 11 May 2017 23:20:00
VERY well said mate!

2.) 12 May 2017 08:51:04
To bloody right!

3.) 12 May 2017 09:20:58
Agree 100%. I live chat was a strange place. people talking about spurs and arsenal and then started moaning once Celta scored. 2 Trophies a CL spot and good window gets me all excited:)



27 Jan 2017 12:50:11
So obviously all a bit underwhelmed with the performance last night, a tricky Christmas period which we got through unscathed has clearly left the players a little jaded and a few look like they need a rest.

In my opinion Valencia has been our most consistent player this season and I felt we missed him last night, Darmian is steady but absolutely awful going forward and every attack ends once it gets to him. Rojo was not much better on the other side and if Shaw isn't going to play (which hopefully he will when he wins his place back on Sunday) then I would prefer Blind on that side. Hopefully the rest for Toni will help going into the next set of fixtures.

Our normal formation when Carrick plays allows for a back 3 with the full backs creating all the width and the strikers pushing inside. Without the attack from the full backs that meant Rashford was too wide all the time and despite playing very well and beating his man was always too far away from the centre to do much and his full back was rarely in the right place to back him up. Not really Rojo's fault as he has proved he is not a left back on many occasions.

I expect a few more rested on Sunday with the league game on Wednesday and I expect Hull to give us a decent game again on Wednesday, it's easy to say they are 'the worst team in the league' but when they are fighting for their lives no team is a pushover and I thought some of their passing and general play over both legs of the semi final was admirable and there is a huge improvement from them under this very likeable new manager that could help them stay up if they stop selling all his best players!

We haven't been great recently as has been pointed out with a lot of hyperbole and overreaction, but we have shown that we can play great football and you can see that we are looking to do that even if it's not been coming off so much in recent games. Another long unbeaten run is needed now and we have the players to do it so let's hope we do, if not then hope we all get behind the team like the fans did last night, hearing them singing all through the game was immense and great to hear that support.

Hope this post isn't too positive and optimistic for anyone.


1.) 27 Jan 2017 13:06:49
O dear I feel this post is going to get shot down very quickly!
I dipped into the live chat just to be nosey whilst watching the game, some of the quotes I saw were hilarious, GDS2 you seemed to loose the plot a bit with MAZE (who in all fairness was on a wind up) I think people forget how bad we have played in previous years and teams who have beaten us.
Step back and take s look at the big picture have we improved? Are we going in the right direction? Will we finish top four? And will there be silver wear? i'm CONFIDENT get behind the team things are nowhere as bad as some like to think.

2.) 27 Jan 2017 13:16:42
Good levelled post gds. Don't disagree with anything there.

Hopefully those players get a good rest. We have a very hide run in

3.) 27 Jan 2017 13:34:30
Of course it's not as bad as people make it out Simon. We were 14 games unbeaten, there are 6 points between 2-6 in the table, we are in a league cup final, still fa cup and Europa league. We seem to be in great shape with regards to injuries.

Yes we have been wasteful at times, Jose can't put them in the net, but overall we are playing much better football and seem to be on the right track. I am really happy with how everything is going and I look forward to the rest of the season.

4.) 27 Jan 2017 13:36:20
I loved the chat when it first started and I sometimes go on before the games start but once we kick off I steer clear as it gets too emotional and childish for me. I know passions run high but sometimes I wonder how people manage to get through life

{Ed007's Note - It's a cesspit of whining children, AJH and is due a clear out. The chat was set up to let people have a bit of craic and discuss during the match and all it is now is whining little bitches taking snide digs at each other.
If the clear out kills it off then so be it.}

5.) 27 Jan 2017 13:57:57
I enjoy the live chat, of course you will get a few people that get personal as it's raw, but I just try to ignore that. On the whole the mood on their tends to reflect the performance the team puts on.

Some of us have a good chat and banter on there, especially when it's quiet with just 4-5 people posting for most of the game. Towards the end of games it livens up a bit and that's when people maybe go a bit OTT to get themselves heard. But on the whole it's a great way to talk about things quickly and the vast majority of people are polite to their fellow posters.

I agree there are a few that antagonize but others are quick to police it if it goes too far imo.

6.) 27 Jan 2017 13:53:38
Good post on the whole GDS2, nice to be in agreement.

7.) 27 Jan 2017 13:53:41
Ed007 does it happen that much? Clear outs on the site that is

{Ed007's Note - I noticed it on the Liverpool chat the other night, even slagging Ed001 and Ed002 and the sites, so I booted and banned a couple of posters from it and there was a couple on the Utd chat too. If people are wasting it by trolling and abusing other posters they'll be banned from it.}

8.) 27 Jan 2017 13:56:02
I apologise if I offended anyone in the live chat last night and I'll admit I did lose it but what was happening wasn't banter or chat it was people just moaning and I presume trying to wind people up. I'm fairly sure that isn't what it was set up for and I just decided to leave until later in the game when surprisingly it had calmed down because we had equalised.

I can see the bad things that are happening and I'm fairly sure our manager can as well so hopefully they will sort it out and the performances will improve again as they did after the last defeat.

{Ed007's Note - Spot on, GD. It's just one big knee jerk reaction mate which is fine I suppose, people are only saying on there what would be going through their head just watching the game but some get far too personal at times and others just see it as a chance to have pops at other posters.
As soon as Utd went down there was rubbish like 'Oh that'll be X happy' 'There's X, only comes on when things aren't going well' etc It's as if some people want to see Utd losing just so they can have a pop at other posters and it's the same bollocks over and over and over......
It's actually meant to be fun - can you believe that?}

9.) 27 Jan 2017 14:03:55
Good post GDS2 by the way, I did say that before the above but it didn't make it on.

10.) 27 Jan 2017 14:20:16
Jaime done it for me. can't be bothered would rather watch or if in UK go to game. All God's children (well almost) 😆😆

11.) 27 Jan 2017 14:30:32

You only need to say it once mate, I'll be getting a complex ;)

12.) 27 Jan 2017 14:39:52
haha I cringe for myself.

13.) 27 Jan 2017 14:39:58
During the last game of last season someone called me a four letter word beginning with c. Here's a tip for anyone who thinks it isn't that bad. Don't go on until 30 minutes into a game we aren't winning and read the posts, it's almost trolling on occasions.

It was a great idea and started off really well but just because a thought flashed into your head doesn't mean you have to type it, some people don't seem to have a filter

{Ed007's Note - 30 mins! Go on after 10 and you'll see players getting pelters, endless posts of who should have started because so and so's not done anything yet and abuse being thrown at posters that dare to disagree.
A lot of people seem to be confused about the difference between the live chat and the forum pages, the live chat is meant to be light hearted fun and chat/discussion during the game, if you want to constantly girn and moan do it on the forum where we can pap it on the Other page.}

14.) 27 Jan 2017 14:55:14
Last season the word TOXIC was mentioned in response to some fans and posters, I was genuinely offended by this label. Now I fully understand.

15.) 27 Jan 2017 15:47:15
Was not on last night was it that bad?

16.) 27 Jan 2017 15:51:41
martial got a lot of abuse before ko .
i didn't think it was that bad during the match . only caught the second half of the chat tho

17.) 27 Jan 2017 15:53:48
"not that bad " should prob have said not as bad as normal.
to be fair bit of a poor performance last night

18.) 27 Jan 2017 17:43:23
Go on at the beginning to say hello then leave it isn't worth the aggro a shame really it was a brilliant idea that started out great and then was just used as a forum to slag off the bad flavour of the day.

19.) 27 Jan 2017 17:57:04
I think a lot of its just having a good aul moan. I would hate to think anyone takes it too seriously. Some of the stuff on the page under LVG was hilarious - what we were watching was so bad that we just had to laugh at it. There may be criticism of our play or a particular player - usually its Fellaini - but I always got the impression it was done with a certain degree of 'gallows' humour. I'd hate to think we were going to have to create 'safe places' where the more easily offended can go and comment on the game without fear of being upset. I hear a lot worse at the actual ground on a match day, to be honest. Apart from Jaime. You can ban him :)

20.) 27 Jan 2017 19:06:00
Definitely with you Noucamp about Jaime. 😆😆

21.) 27 Jan 2017 19:17:46
i think its when it takes over the chat, fellaini is a good example, there will be a match on but the chat will be 90 minutes of fellaini bashing, no matter how he plays .

poor performance last night but yhe chat wasnt that bad but can you imagine if the wig was playing and we played like that.
everyone turns in to jamie

22.) 27 Jan 2017 18:56:37
I couldn't get on live chat last nite, did i get banned for something

{Ed025's Note - if you were banned leahy i dont think you would be on here now mate, but i will inquire for you..

23.) 27 Jan 2017 20:16:25
Cheers ed. i couldn't get on it, and i have never used bad language or insulted anyone on there, i'd have a laugh and a bit of banter, thought it was for being on the liverpool chat, myself and another united poster had a bit of banter on there, but that was it, even though i was called a filthy manc. lol. i gave back a bit but i didn't insult anyone or wouldn't get personal with anyone

{Ed025's Note - i believe you mate, our IT guy is not about at the moment but i should have news in the morning ..

24.) 27 Jan 2017 20:32:44
Yeah, Leahy. I reported you, mate. For your crap jokes. Sorry about that.

{Ed025's Note - i thought it would be something like that noucamp.. :)

25.) 27 Jan 2017 20:36:41
Totally agree, jred. Pretty embarrassing sometimes. As Tony said up above, people these days feel the need to type down the first thing that comes into their head, rather than taking a deep breath and counting to ten. Personally, I like a yarn at the start, then watch the football, and come back at half and full-time.

26.) 27 Jan 2017 20:57:30
Cheers 99 at least your honest

27.) 28 Jan 2017 09:31:56
I must admit to nearly quitting live chat for good during the Hull game and would welcome action by the Ed. If we are not playing stellar football, winning by more than one goal or heaven forbid go a goal down the outpouring of stuff needs to be seen to be believed.

28.) 28 Jan 2017 19:04:01
Good post GDS.
That's a big part of why Carrick is so important to us.
We are having a slight blip but it was always going to happen as a winning run can't go on forever.
Still heading in the right direction. All is good



21 Jan 2017 19:37:08
I get the feeling people need to realise we are still a work in progress, this good run of wins has made everyone suddenly think we should be winning every game and it's not realistic. Some games we won't play as well and some games we will play ok and fail to put our chances away and get a bit unlucky.

We hammered Stoke today, the difference between that game and the game against Stoke last season should make everybody realise what trajectory we are on and should be excited. The doom and gloom on here after a last minute point away from home is nothing less than I expect from people on here but come on guys we got a point when it looked like we would get 0, it could be a big point come the end of the season. 2 of our next 3 games are Hull and Watford at home so I would still expect us to be in the top 4 before we play city looking at the other fixtures.

I thought Mata was poor today which isn't like him and it wasn't one of our better performances but glad we still have the unbeaten run and expect us to improve. Nobody can say we didn't deserve more than we got today, we could hardly ever say that last season. Bring on the semi final.


1.) 21 Jan 2017 19:48:56
Great post.

2.) 21 Jan 2017 20:03:39
some games we will play ok and fail to put our chances away and get a bit unlucky, this seems to have been the story of the season, man city, arsenal, burnley, stoke home and away, westham home, please add if i have missed any other games, if this happens once it is bad luck but we are the worst side at putting ball in the back of the net in top 6, and most of these teams are teams we should be beating or is it too much for man utd supporters to expect man utd to beat westham, burnley and stoke at old trafford.

3.) 21 Jan 2017 20:19:56
An unbeaten run is bit overrated. when LVG had an unbeaten run last year we dropped 18ish points in 12 or so games. The most disappointing part of today is the scousers got beat and we didn't kick them when they were down.

4.) 21 Jan 2017 20:42:33

But in this unbeaten run that isn't what has happened is it so it's not overrated is it?

Csm, fully agree that too many games this season we have missed chances that have affected us but in almost every game we have been the better side and deserved the win, better finishing and we would be challenging Chelsea, as it is we are battling for top 4 but God I enjoy watching us playing like that and attacking and throwing men forward in the last 20 minutes rather than bringing on 2 full backs and a defensive mid at 1-0 down.

Also it's not too much to expect us to beat them teams at OT but we shouldn't take it for granted and for the last 2 months we have been winning them games so a bit unfair to suggest that's the story of the season when it was early on but hasn't been recently don't you think? A point at Stoke especially when we almost had no points is far from the end of the world.

5.) 21 Jan 2017 20:51:27
Good, balanced post GDS2. We are a bit up and down but the trajectory is upwards. we have plenty of reasons to feel optimistic. I feel happier as an MU supporter snapping at the heels of those in the top 4 than I suspect many Citeh and 'pool fans are. Like you, I believe, looking at upcoming fixtures, that the table will look a little different in a few weeks. I believe we will finish in the top four. We could do with a really sharp finisher, which seems to be in train then the league next season will be really something to look forward to, and back in the champions league.
This year I feel that top 4, champions league and 1,maybe 2 trophies would be a big step up from the last few seasons.

6.) 21 Jan 2017 22:14:23
Nothing to do with work in progress. We can't be work in progress for 4 years.
It's all about putting the ball in the net. And we've not been doing that. Too many eady chances missed by experienced players and that's not work in progress.
I watched city v spurs. Spurs got two chances and took them both.
We just don't convert enough of our chances.
Thought the game was played at a pedestrian pace. Zlatan, Mata had off days and the game lacked urgency.

7.) 21 Jan 2017 22:31:09
I remember a time even at our most successful that a point away to Stoke was not the end of the world.

8.) 21 Jan 2017 23:22:27
We need the win more now deano, that time we wouldn't have as many draws in other games, the top 4 isn't going to be as easy as we might think

9.) 22 Jan 2017 00:36:20
Jose has been our manager for half a season so how is that 4 years work in progress. We can all see what's wrong (well most of us) and we need more goals.
Some say we're unlucky and others say it's poor finishing. Maybe it's a bit of both who knows. The thing is we are playing the right way and creating chances so they either start going in or at the end of the season we will make changes to make sure they go in.
To compare us to a spurs team who we beat the other week, won nothing ever and only drawn today and came third in a 2 horse race makes no sense.

{Ed007's Note - It was Stoke, playing 'the right way' is a load of bollocks if you don't win.}

10.) 22 Jan 2017 01:09:01
What happened to there are no easy games in the prem! The 1-1 at home against them is a far worst result that coming from behind with 5 mins to go. As for playing the right way maybe I've been spoilt watching fergie and United dominate for so long but still like to see my team attack regardless.

{Ed007's Note - The only people thst say there's no easy games in the EPL are EPL half n half scarf wearing fanboys, was Everton beating city a hard game for Everton? Was Utd beating Sunderland 3-1 a hard game or is it only the games Utd don't win thst are hard?
I'd much rather see my team win games first and foremost - then you start worrying about style and flair. Are Utd in a position to pick and choose? I'd bet 99% of posters would prefer being 2 points closer to the top tonight than are happy to draw with Stoke playing this the right way you're on about.
Man Utd drawing with Stoke is not playing the right way, if it was right they would have won.
And Fergie's teams ground out plenty of results without playing amazing football, they knew how to win games.}

11.) 22 Jan 2017 01:09:01
What happened to there are no easy games in the prem! The 1-1 at home against them is a far worst result that coming from behind with 5 mins to go. As for playing the right way maybe I've been spoilt watching fergie and United dominate for so long but still like to see my team attack regardless.

{Ed007's Note - The only people thst say there's no easy games in the EPL are EPL half n half scarf wearing fanboys, was Everton beating city a hard game for Everton? Was Utd beating Sunderland 3-1 a hard game or is it only the games Utd don't win thst are hard?
I'd much rather see my team win games first and foremost - then you start worrying about style and flair. Are Utd in a position to pick and choose? I'd bet 99% of posters would prefer being 2 points closer to the top tonight than are happy to draw with Stoke playing this the right way you're on about.
Man Utd drawing with Stoke is not playing the right way, if it was right they would have won.
And Fergie's teams ground out plenty of results without playing amazing football, they knew how to win games.}

12.) 22 Jan 2017 01:34:14
So that implies we must have played the wrong way then? Please do enlighten me how we should have played against stoke then as 25 shots to 6 seems to suggest we got it wrong according to you?

{Ed007's Note - Mourinho missed a trick not signing Kris Commons when he had thd chance. 25 to 6? It finished 1-1 so it obviously didn't work!}

13.) 22 Jan 2017 01:56:24
That in depth knowledge cleared it all up perfectly!

{Ed007's Note - If you're happy with Utd drawing with Stoke that's totally you're perogative but to me, as an outsider looking in, it shows it a disticnt drop in the expectations of Utd fans. Go and look on the Liverpool page, there's a guy about 60 'absolutely devasted' they got beat - that's some serious devotion!}

14.) 22 Jan 2017 02:12:56
Far from happy it's not a good result but as I said coming from behind late on away to get a point is not the end of the world. Drawing at home to stoke, Burnley and Arsenal was.

15.) 22 Jan 2017 07:10:41
We should have won and we clearly have an issue scoring goals. However, if we replicate the last 8 league games (6 wins and 2 draws) in the next 8 then we will be in the top 4.

I think the team is developing and now has an identity, there are still some issues to overcome but I am enjoying games again which is very welcome.

16.) 22 Jan 2017 10:43:12
Past few games have been borefests. We aren't playing the right way, nowhere near it. We are playing better than last season and some fans confuse that I believe because their expectations couldn't be lower.

17.) 22 Jan 2017 10:31:19
I agree AJH and not sure what ed07 was getting upset about! Maybe it's because he has to watch scottish football every week!

{Ed007's Note - Football existed before 1992 you know fanboy. I was also forced to watch my team in the CL this season - which EPL team are you supporting in that? Sitting there waving your Utd/City or Utd/Liverpool half and half scarf no doubt.}

18.) 22 Jan 2017 05:17:57

Not sure people are satisfied with a point but over a season there will be some games where that happens and despite 26 shots you don't win. Unfortunately it's happened too often this season early on and now we are so desperate for points that if we don't win every game 4-0 people are complaining.

Of course there has been a drop in expectations since Fergie, did you see us against Stoke last year? The team was in disarray and we got absolutely hammered, this time it was attack v defence for 90 minutes and they scored without even having a shot on target in the first half, sometimes games like that happen, even in the treble winning season we lost a few games we should have won, just think a last minute point deserves a bit more perspective than just saying we were crap.



16 Jan 2017 10:05:48
Morning guys,

We have all had time to calm down from the nerves and pressure of yesterday's game and when the dust settles after playing so poorly after 80 minutes we would have been happy with a point and it is certainly a point gained.

It was important for everybody that we kept the winning run going and we now have another little run where we play lower placed teams and the other teams around us start to play each other. In 3 weeks time the league could look different again.

I never go over to the Liverpool page but I thought as a few had infiltrated our page I would go over and see what they really thought, rather than what the odd WUM coming on here talking nonsense thought. It is great to see them whinging and moaning about referee decisions.

if it was up to them we would have ended the match with 8 men, they want rule changes all over the place so Herrera was sent off, Pogba booked for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity on the penalty (which he didn't, and there is nothing in the rules about what he did being a yellow despite people seemingly thinking there is) and then sent off later in the game for pulling in the box (one even wants retrospective action on this! ) and then wanting Rooney off as well.

They also think that Mourinho coming up with a plan of long ball to punish them means he has no idea what he is doing, despite the fact it worked and got us back in the game, the bitterness is sensational and really cheered me up.

Pogba has been fantastic in recent weeks and it was a shame he was so poor yesterday as now all I am seeing is people slagging him off, he wouldn't even get in the Liverpool under 23 team apparently!

Considering before the game most of them were happy with a point they are doing a hell of a lot of moaning and blaming other people, if you are feeling a bit down go over to their page and have a look.

I'm not going to post on there like they do to us as it comes across a bit pathetic in my opinion, but it is a great read to see what they really think not just what they use as 'banter' on here.


1.) 16 Jan 2017 10:21:29
not sure what happened to the post on their page but I made that exact point to them GDS2, if the long ball is such a crap tactic why did it work and why has klopp not been able to train his players to deal with it. Seems to me the only managers who moan about the long ball are the ones who don't know how to deal with it. don't get me wrong I don't want to see it often but jose had seen this was their weakness in previous games so took advantage of it, simple plan B which klopp seems to lack.

2.) 16 Jan 2017 10:34:47
Hi GDS2 - like most of these games against Liverpool the looking forward to it is often better than the actual event. That said I think the ref ruined the game by being far too quick to blow the whistle for any sort of coming together. He did it for both sides, but it was clear the plan was to nip anything in the bud and take the sting out of the game - ridiculous as he killed off the hype before it had any chance to live up to it.

This allowed Liverpool time to recover from their exertions and it slowed the game down far too much. We have been playing very similarly for a couple of weeks now, so maybe that result will motivate Jose to work a little more on our fitness/ workrate. If we were quicker around the field we could have capitalised on blatant gaps in the Liverpool set-up, but a reluctance to commit fully meant we were far too cautious at times.

Pre game I expected a solid win, as it became clear that we were not clicking a draw was satisfactory on the day. We needed more though, shame the players didn't take the chance to put a real warning shot out.

3.) 16 Jan 2017 14:35:38
Hi guys, the other perspective. Pogba's arm round Henderson's neck was bad and should have been punished and it's a shame about the off side for your goal but I thought the ref otherwise did well. On balance a draw was a fair result but we're all a bit miffed after leading for 2/ 3s of the match.

I'd also say Klopp was a bit disingenuous with his comments about your tactics, you probably deserved a point and there's no 'correct' way to play football.




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15 Jun 2017 17:30:18
If that's what Morata's price tag is get it paid and get him signed up, we can afford it, mourinho wants him and he wants to come. I would rather pay what they want than include de gea in any deal.




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14 Jun 2017 10:13:52
United woundnt confirm the deal if it wasn't very likely to go through.




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12 Jun 2017 13:51:29
Very random example there Dan, the 'social media thing' happens with hundreds of players every summer these days. This one does seem likely though.




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11 Jun 2017 20:13:24
One thing I can say about Tuanzebe was when he won the reserve team player of the year at the awards he came across very well in the interview afterwards. Seemed like a man who had been playing for years and very humble but with leadership qualities that helped him in the under 21s. Could be special.




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10 Jun 2017 11:41:38
Who the hell is TFT? Literally the only only who is often known by his initials you got wrong 😂.





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23 Jun 2017 09:40:21
No chip at all, I just disagree with you and you resort to condescension yet again. 'Little friend' ha.

De Bruyne is one example, there are many examples of players who were terrible in the prem who didn't improve with a return but we will ignore them so you are definitely correct this time.

A city player is better than all the United players? Again, surprise surprise.




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23 Jun 2017 08:56:49
United are slow (despite having loads of fast players and csm named) and Liverpool's signing (who was terrible at Chelsea) is so fast and makes them so good? Surprise surprise.




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22 Jun 2017 21:04:42
Why does it matter what order the signings are in? As long as we get who we want it doesn't bother me in the slightest.




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21 Jun 2017 13:22:39

Lewandowski has suddenly become available though, even if he was not on the original list United would be daft not to be looking at him now. Ad Ed002 says things change all the time so just because a player wasn't mentioned a month ago doesn't mean he's not on the radar now, especially if Morata and Belotti are being found to be too expensive.




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21 Jun 2017 12:49:44

Show me where I said I believe there is nothing untoward and I will agree that I was ridiculous. For somebody who gets annoyed at people misquoting him all the time you do it an awful lot to other people.

My knickers aren't in a twist, read your messages back, they are massively condescending as per usual.