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25 Oct 2018 20:53:25
Glazers reported as being concerned about clubs global image.
Jose apparently told to "zip it" in interviews. Not criticising players and dividing fan base.
If true, how long can he keep it up?

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26 Oct 2018 10:16:27
Should a manager be publicly undermining his employer?

26 Oct 2018 11:28:23
The real question is should an employer be publicly undermined by the manager?

26 Oct 2018 14:37:17
There are a number of questions. But after reading the source ed001 recommended on United’s finances, my main question is can United, under any manager, get to level that they can compete with City when the owners are focused on securing sponsorship deals to service their debts?

Just because Jose is trying to deflect attention away from his failings doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a point.

26 Oct 2018 15:25:24
Danny have you seen how much he has spent? What players have kicked on under his guidance?

Jose is looking for excuses, Roman had enough of it and so should our owners. I'm not a fan of the way the club had changed, but ultimately we are not progressing anywhere near as much as we should be under his stewardship - look at what Newcastle, Burnley etc do with a pittance to spend. He has some of the worlds best players and can;t get anything from them, spent hundreds of million and it may as well have been chucked in the bin.

No the buck stops with Jose for me, owners shouldn't be throwing more good money after bad - but they should be decisive, no middle ground here. Either give him MORE money to waste or cut him loose.

26 Oct 2018 16:15:40
I think you need to separate your dislike for Jose from the broader issues at the club. Personally, I would not have extended Jose’s contract, and made sure that this year was spent identifying and securing a top quality replacement.

However, the analysis of our finances highlights how the increased revenue generated over the last few season has, primarily, been used to service the owner’s debts. The club’s focus has been on securing off field deals, and this obviously has a knock on effect for our on field performances. The point is that club is a long way behind City and other top European sides. Regardless of who is at the helm, it is very difficult to close the gap unless the owners change their priorities.

26 Oct 2018 17:30:29
The owners seem to give the managers free rein, that is one thing I like about them.

Too many people use the inner machinations of the club to explain away our dire performances on the pitch. Jose has players to train, world class players, he is not being told what to do on the pitch or off it (aside from shut up it seems) . So not sure how that is an excuse for what we see every game.

If its not spending money then that is a BS excuse. He has had more than almost any manager ever. Name me a manager that doesn't want more to spend?

I don't like the way the club play nor how Jose carries himself most of the time. He thinks he is bigger than the club and has little regard for his players (most of them) or the fans. We are a laughing stock, we are boring to watch and the owners whilst not ideal certainly could be a lot worse and have frankly backed him enough.

Most clubs carry debt, he has had plenty of funds and wastes it on players he doesn't play.

I said at the time it was a travesty giving this man a new contract as well. There are more heads that need to roll, but Jose's is the first if we want to get back to where we should be any time soon.

27 Oct 2018 14:17:11
And in two years when were struggling with the manager complaining about lack of investment will you wake up or burn more vitriol calling for another sacking. Then repeat two years later. Then two years later.

28 Oct 2018 08:53:19
Really don’t see how anyone could say Jose hasn’t had enough time or money to not be in the position we find ourself.

The fact he could have had more were United not servicing such debt levels is completely irrelevant to that fact. If we’re suggesting spending power correlates to league position United should only be second to City by a few points.

The fact we’re not by so much can only have Jose to blame.

28 Oct 2018 10:00:23
Interesting saying Jose has had enough time. In the depth of winter 1989 some people said the same about SAF.

It seems the starting point has not been considered. Jose came in after SAF had let the team decline, only SAF’s genius at motivation gave us success at the end. SAF was saying no value in the market whilst City bought Silva, Kompany, Aguero and co, so when Pep arrived he had a far stronger base than when Jose took over. City had prepared for years whilst we had failed to invest and appointed two wrong managers. Chelsea the same, SAF found no value when Hazard came on the market. So recent spending needs to be put in perspective, which it hasn’t been. Look at spending since 2008 in the clubs, I am sure someone will and decide from that. We replaced Ronaldo with Wigan’s winger and watched the golden generation retire yet did nothing until the panic buying of the last five years. I also wonder whether the players being bought are a Mourinho’s first choice, or the cheaper options in the same positionsdue to the servicing of the debt?

30 Oct 2018 10:31:26
DDG is a fantastic keeper and I'd love it if he stays, but if he goes he will be replaced bu another good/ great keeper who will make saves.

Some of the talk seems to imply that without him we would have no one in goal and every shot would score.

31 Oct 2018 08:16:44
Bang on steve players come and go.
Nobody wants the best ones to leave but lots of times better ones come in.
The sky will not fall in if he leaves.

24 Oct 2018 22:01:36
Last night was the first real reality test. Yes, we have improved but it showed us as a mediocre team when we rub shoulders with European Giants.
Should we back Jose in the transfer market? I really want to say yes, but I don't think he is capable of the blue sky thinking that is so obviously required.
More of the same policy in the transfer market is likely to produce more of the same on the field. Any progress in future is likely to be painfully slow judging by the recent past. To keep doing the same thing repeatedly whilst expecting different results is the occupation of fools.

On a different tack, I fear that if a decision to change the manager yet again is taken it, is likely to be made by the same people responsible for the dogs breakfast of the last three appointments.

We seem to be in a catch 22 situation. As a general comment, our squad as individuals are not as bad as performances suggest but our tactics and cohesion as a team are never optimal and at times sometimes from momentary lack of focus is often abysmal. Defenders who can't defend and attackers who make few chances and cannot put away the ones they do conjure up. All basic stuff that a decent coach should be able to rectify or at least dramatically improve.

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24 Oct 2018 22:42:52
While I understand those who would say to back Jose in the market. His dealings in it were brought into sharp contrast against Juve.

Pjanic and Bentancur cost less than Fred, they ran the show while he sat on the bench all night.
Jose praised their CBs yet we paid more for Bailly and Lindelof.

He's been backed, its just gone to the wrong places and it's compounded by the negative tactics. So in some ways I fully understand The board refusing (if that was the case) the back Jose.

27 Oct 2018 08:54:01
The worrying thing about the Juve game is I think that's the best we can play, even more, worrying is the manager has the same opinion that to me is unacceptable, if the rumours are to be believed and the owners have told Jose to keep quiet, then the writing is on the wall, don't get me wrong here he won't be sacked until we fail to get into the top 4, so are the powers at Utd doing there due diligence and scouting our next manager they must get it right, I for one don't have much faith in their judgement after all they picked Moyes, then Jose both have failed to live up to our standards and style of play so our next manager must play attacking football, whoever gets the job has a big job on there hands a lot of dead wood to shift, it's another season lost and trophyless I'm afraid.

19 Oct 2018 09:31:41
As a Evertonian the Lukaku / Pallister story is no surprise. Lukaku spent the last 18 months at Everton trying to manufacture a move back to Chelsea, in itself not a issue . The problem was he did it through the press every time he was away on international duty. Let's wait til the next international break and see who he starts courting then . If I were a United fan I wouldn't be too concerned . For the fee you would receive for him a replacement wouldn't be too difficult to find . Had my say, good luck with the rest of the season .

{Ed002's Note - Lukaku was never going to move back to Chelsea - I explained that at the time. What he wanted was a move to a higher profile side to give him an opportunity to win something. The Juventus story is noise, no more than that, and should just be ignored.}

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19 Oct 2018 10:27:40
He made the same " noise " every international break. I really didn't expect a my club is bigger than that club reply . Go back and check the quotes . Chelsea Chelsea Chelsea Utd weren't mentioned once . I'm not a anti-United person . My point is it happens every international break and history seems to be repeating itself . In 6 months if no more " noise " is made by him or his agent I will come back and admit I was wrong .

{Ed002's Note - People are asking him questions and he is answering them. It is not him creating anything. And what Lukaku was looking for was a step up - Everton could not offer him a chance to win silverware and was not going to eb playing in the Champions League.}

19 Oct 2018 14:11:40
I don't see any problem with lukakus answer.

19 Oct 2018 14:11:10
Gary what ed is saying is Lukaku made noise because he wanted a step up from Everton. Although united are doing poorly at the moment, very few clubs are a step up in terms of stature and exposure. Juve May be a better footballing side, but they are not a bigger club.

19 Oct 2018 16:06:12
Lukaku is fine striker but right now he isn't an elite striker. He misses far too many "easy" chances per game. He could become one day, but right now he isn't good enough to move to a club in a better position than United.

Ed002, I'd hazard a guess that the team he would like to eventually join would be Bayern? I couldn't see him in a Madrid or Barcelona jersey. There are a few more teams who right now are more primed to win trophies than us, but if he wants to get his move "up", he has to be scoring 35/ 40 goals a season.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea where he would like to eventually move to. For some reason everyone is making a big issue about him answering a question in an interview. I am not aware of his looking to leave and the previous discussion of his wanting to move on from Everton to advance his career. He was never going to be allowed to rejoin Chelsea but he got his move to Manchester United and is struggling a little right now for goals but that won't last long.}

20 Oct 2018 08:08:15
It's getting to the point now that a footballer cannot say anything it was an honest answer to an honest question I have no problem with it I don't see why anyone would.

I for one am very happy we have lukaku a dip in form doesn't change the fact he is a good striker and very ambitious which we should like btw.

We could have morata instead.

20 Oct 2018 14:48:47
I would worry about your own striker situation Gary!

22 Oct 2018 18:44:32
Nonsensical posts about Lukaku. I would like to see Sanchez given a go to provide real competition up top with Rashford and Martial wide forwards and Mata 10, but Lukaku is integral to the way we play and he will bounce back and score 25+ this season.

22 Oct 2018 18:55:20
Tom you will see some 6 o'clock Sunday Everton have no problems at striker matey richarlison and town both be on the scoresheet and Everton will have come away from old Trafford with 3 points.

23 Oct 2018 06:34:06
damn auto correct i ment tosun.

23 Oct 2018 12:13:46
It’ll be interesting when Richarlison does a Lukaku and asks to leave for a bigger club in the summer.

23 Oct 2018 21:37:34
i think he will stay with us mate next season at least as long as silva sti in charge, the boy loves him, also he will be playing European football at Everton next year wouldn't get that at a mid table. club like man u would ha haha only messin but i do think he will stay till end of next season.

24 Oct 2018 09:50:40
Is he that good do you think Johnny? Not really seen much of him Exocet when playing against us?

24 Oct 2018 12:20:46
honestly mate he's raw, but its all there for him he is big strong fast and can finish, not the finished artical by any strech of the imagination but i think he could be one ov the best around in a year or 2 mate.

16 Oct 2018 21:50:00
Reports that shaw could be putting pen to paper on a 5 year deal soon.

Are 8/ 9 games enough to earn that contract?

Or is just to keep his value high. Admittedly i am pleased he has started the season well when at times its looked his career at united could have over but am still not convinced he's the long term answer at the position.

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17 Oct 2018 10:33:42
hes still very young and has been one of the positives this season

i would be happy with him signing a new 5 year deal.

17 Oct 2018 10:37:46
He's spent a good chunk of his time at the club injured or stuck in the reserves, so I think it's fair to give him a new contract after his recent spell of form. If in 3 years from now there is still no real improvement he will most likely be gone.

17 Oct 2018 12:10:02
He had a shakey first season when it could be said he was adapting to being at a club our size. He then went away and trained hard over the summer and at the start of his second season he was our best player until he got injured. He then struggled for a couple of years to fully over come the injury and deal with the change in management. He has up until now probably been our best player this season.

So I think it's clear the potential is still there and he can realise that here with us. Why let him leave, especially on the cheap. He is an England international and we need to keep good quality homegrown players especially when they can perform to level where they are regularly our best player.

We'd be stupid not to give him long term contract.

17 Oct 2018 13:58:59
The issue for me is, why have we let the contracs of so many players run down.

17 Oct 2018 14:11:52
Going to be a very good player.

17 Oct 2018 14:50:48
He's one of the ones we should be looking to extend along with Mata, Herrera and de Gea. The rest can go for free or buttons.

18 Oct 2018 18:35:38
Had a great season so far. He deserves a new contract imo. He has been doing and saying the right things all season. One of the few who is actully full of praise for the manager in fact. There has been a full turn around in his form and his confudence and he looks fit and raring to go. If he keeps his form and fitness it will be a big plus for the team.

13 Oct 2018 13:11:13
Ed any interest in lucas hernandez of atletico?

{Ed002's Note - Yes but it is far from new interest.}

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13 Oct 2018 13:21:44
Cheers ed. Have we ended our interest in alderwereld?

{Ed002's Note - The club were unwilling to try to complete a deal in the summer so interest is elsewhere. But LH would not be of interest as a CB.}

13 Oct 2018 13:32:26
Would skrinar be one of the first choices as a cb as he looks like a very good cb.

{Ed002's Note - Most certainly but much will depend on whether pne faction of the press and the toxics get their way.
Milan Skriniar (CB) Financial demands of Inter are excessive and the said they will sell for €75M in the Summer of 2018 - expect that price to be well over €100M now but Manchester United remain very keen and may be able to negotiate
Nikola Milenkovic (CB) financial viable and a target from his time at Chelsea
Rúben Dias (CB) Manchester United's manager has held a discussion with the player's agent
Toby Alderweireld (CB) Chances of him joining remain as they were - it will be difficult
Raphael Varane (CB) - it drags on rather but Real Madrid may be willing to let him leave for the right price as part of their major rebuild programme – so might be possible but the price could be through the roof.}

13 Oct 2018 14:57:32
Thanks ed. Some interesting choices and they all look like top up and coming defenders apart from Toby as he is very experienced.

13 Oct 2018 14:57:46
Is it more reasonable to consider josé was at the serbia game to look at milenkovic as opposed milinkovic-savic?

{Ed002's Note - I would not make such assumptions. Perhaps he is able to look at two players at the same time?}

13 Oct 2018 15:30:43
the man knows no bounds!

14 Oct 2018 10:59:57
Fantastic info Ed002, thank you! As mentioned above, looks like we’re considering quality defenders.

{Ed002's Note - Obviously these are the targets of the incumbant one.}

14 Oct 2018 11:51:09
Great Info ed would the main targets for Jan match those as the summer? right wing central mid and CB? Maybe a right back could now be added with Valencia causing problems. I know all is dependent on Jose still being manager and won't be easy in January.

{Ed002's Note - I cannot answer about the timing of transfers, particularly in January. You likely have unrealistic expectations for January and the club had no interest in going after many of the players that had previously been identified as potions. The club has however continued to look at players, but these are players that were primarily identified to meet the brief that Mr Mourinho identified. Additionally much will depend on who leaves.}

14 Oct 2018 10:59:57
Fantastic info Ed002, thank you! As mentioned above, looks like we’re considering quality defenders.

{Ed002's Note - This would be entirely dependent on the incumbent manager staying of course.}

10 Oct 2018 12:46:43
Any chance we will go in for Aaron Ramsey in January do any Ed's know?

{Ed002's Note - What I understand the situation to be is that Arsenal had reached a general agreement with Aaron Ramsey and his agent for a new contract but concerns were expressed about his "comportement" so a new deal is on hold but might yet be possible. Right now the two players that Unai Emery thinks about as possible central midfield replacements seem very unlikely options to the person I spoke with so it is unclear where this might end up. In terms of interest: Liverpool yes, and they would provide the best financial solution for the player. Juventus have at least four options in front of him so not right now. Milan yes they are interested - they have targets ahead of him but one is unaffordable at this time and attracting attention from elsewhere; the others are free agents in the summer but one is looking to head elsewhere and the other is Cesc Fabregas. I do not know of interest from Spain but, like Italy, wages would be an issue. Do not be surprised by interest coming from other English sides at some point.}

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10 Oct 2018 13:44:28
Thanks Ed, very detailed response, much appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

08 Oct 2018 17:31:22
Big worry if Dave the Save is now reluctant to sign a new contract as is widely reported - can only think PSG would be viable destination today.

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08 Oct 2018 17:54:35
Real Madrid could still be a serious option. Navas isn't getting any younger and Coutois hasn't been great since the move. They could easily go back in for DDG either on a free or below his true worth when he only has a year left on his contact.

09 Oct 2018 08:42:24
Why would DDG sign a new contract?
We don't know where we are going.

He will be a huge loss if he leaves. But the way things are, I don't see any top player staying if given a chance to leave!

09 Oct 2018 09:45:13
Don’t see where DDG goes, Real are ok, Barcelona too, maybe Bayern or PSG but less competitive leagues, anywhere else even if we aren’t on top atm is a backward step.

09 Oct 2018 10:34:36
If he left who could blame him?
Probably the best keeper in world football for about 6 seasons now and what’s he got to show for it
If he’d got his move to Real Madrid he’d have a couple of CL winners medals in his back pocket . The way things look for us it’s hard to see us seriously challenging for league or CL for a couple of seasons at the very least.

09 Oct 2018 14:54:01
Juventus have Szczesny in goal. I appreciate he misses Spain, but that screams out at me.

Ultimately he has been a great player for us, not one of our fans should have any hard feelings if he leaves. He signed for a great club, he now plays for a club I barely recognise.

Wouldn't mind a little swapsy with Athletico for Oblak.

10 Oct 2018 19:41:05
As I understand it the contract is almost done, but he wants a clause that states he won't ever be used as a center back.

08 Oct 2018 17:00:29

Are there any players we will look to sign in the January window and if you could treat us with some names it would be appreciated from the Manchester United Page.

{Ed002's Note - Right now the club is obviously in a difficult position regarding the witch hunt, the situation with Mr Mourinho and the need to sell players in order to free up wages and places in the squad. January is not a time that clubs typically plan to make changes but I am aware of more movement than would normally be seen in respect of plans for January. The problem Manchester United have from that perspective is that the players that might arrive would be based on the desires of the incumbent manager and those who have been working in the scouting department to find suitable options to suits the needs as seen now. If there were a change of manager before the end of the year, my expectation would be the smallest of changes in January.}

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08 Oct 2018 18:03:42
Ed, are you aware which direction the club are leaning towards with Jose?

{Ed002's Note - I have had several days of everyone here telling me that Mr Mourinho that he was being sacked on Saturday night and Zidane was to replace him. I explained the situation about the first point then - I had no need to explain about Zidane. Clearly there is a witch hunt from one of the newspapers and many, many of the fans if the folks here are representative. The problem is, that most have no grasp of the workings of the club and seemingly think the Woodward makes all of the decisions - again I have explained that is untrue. I am not aware of any decision by the board to sack the manager at this time but if the situation becomes untenable they may need to seek a resolution - their focus up to now has been on a different job that needs filling - the Director of Football role. The toxics must love all of this.}

08 Oct 2018 18:20:05
Are then any viable options for the club, interms of who could possibly take over from Mourinho.
I would presume that they have a potential list of next managers drawn up' give the current predicament.
Is the focus on appointing a DOF or is that been put on hold for the time being?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any potential list of new managers the club has drawn up - they would need to take advice over the matter. In terms of interim managers, both Sam Allardyce and Glenn Roeder are available.}

08 Oct 2018 18:31:44
Personally ed I think with or without Jose the club need to sort a dof by Christmas giving them the 2nd half of the season the make plans and changes. I'm unsure on what the best course would be with mourinho as I'd be loathe to let some of the players think the way they have acted is acceptable i'd much prefer to remove them before making a decision on the manager. However if Jose continues to publicly criticise the players and complain publicly about what he doesn't have he may leave the club with little choice.

08 Oct 2018 18:42:45
Thanks ed as usual.

08 Oct 2018 19:16:17
Haha Glenn roeder 😂.

08 Oct 2018 21:26:03
Love it ed. Let's hope that the toxics wind it in and hopefully Jose gets the backing to make some personnel changes. Also hopeful that a DOF comes in to handle the footballing side.

We seem to bit quite a behind other teams at the moment, not just because what's happening on the pitch but most importantly what's been happening off the pitch.

Has there ever been an interest from the club's hierarchy to get any of the class of 92 more involved. I am aware Nicky Butt is there but I was just wondering would they consider looking at past players.

{Ed002's Note - The club needs the best people to work in such people, not random players from the past.}

10 Oct 2018 08:07:26
Sure ed. I was just wondering if they'd ever been considered.

I hope that they can get what they want.

{Ed002's Note - I don't see why the club would consider any of the "Class of 92" as being suitable managers/head coaches for the club as there is little or no experience:
David Beckham - tax exile and failed parfumerie looking to leverage the social profile of himself and his wife in order to run a soccerball franchise and old folks home in Miami. Tattoos ruled him out of his preferred role and the next James Bond.
Nicky Butt - experience at unsuccessfully running a pretty poor Manchester United youth set up - far from what the club needs.
Ryan Giggs - has a tiny bit of experience as the Wales manager but that would not be of any use at all in managing Manchester United - continues to flirt with the nonsense of Vietnamese football - maybe they will have a job for him?
Gary Neville - by far the most experienced manager wise with stats to rival Glenn Roeder - might be the best option.
Phil Neville - the one with the smarts out of the bunch but experience is in the girls version of the game.
Paul Scholes - becoming a bitter old man and is using his position as the world's most respected pundit leading the charge to remove everyone who doesn't have ginger hair from the club. Eventually he will become a pundit based in the Middle East.}

10 Oct 2018 12:26:52
Out of interest Ed002, who do you think is capable of doing the job? Obviously we've had your thoughts on the DOF etc but I'm curious to know what head coaches or managers are fit for the purpose.

{Ed002's Note - There are numerous coaches who could do the job perfectly well but the club, should they need to, will have to think about availability, cost, desire etc.. They also need to think about the level of risk there would be involved. It is easy to argue that Max Allegri could do a good job, but he is already at Juventus and has been messed around in the past by Manchester United and turning down Real Madrid shows he is not looking to move. Carlo Ancelotti could do a fine job but his has just joined Napoli. Antonio Conte has had repeaseted success and could do a good job but may not be interested in a return to England and there are others already looking at him and speaking with Chelsea. Laurent Blanc is available, knows the club and has the perfect skill set. Pochettino would be of interest but perhaps not available. Simeone could do the job but would not be interested. I could go on ....}

11 Oct 2018 07:48:06
Ed002, what about Leonardo Jardim?

{Ed002's Note - This is the Manchester United page.}

11 Oct 2018 10:03:13
Great reply and insight Ed. I was speaking about this with friends recently and the consensus was Blanc, Simeone, Pochettino, (maybe Beilsa) and Allegri. One outsider was mentioned too that might be a decent punt and that was Nuno Santo from Wolves. a bit inexperienced but has a good pedigree and playing good football with a currently unfashionable side.
However the core of the matter is we currently have a manager so this is all hypothetical until the case is otherwise.

11 Oct 2018 13:39:29
Apologies, Ed002, my question was not clear.

What I meant was, will Leonardo Jardim be a good coach for United?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

08 Oct 2018 06:36:00
Ed001 if you're about. it'd be great to know your opinion on the daily mirror journalist who has had his media pass revoked by United?

{Ed001's Note - I don't know anything about the journalist sorry. I do know his pass was revoked because he was set to talk to BeIn Sports TV channel about his story on Jose being set to be sacked pitchside before the game at the weekend. The club were upset that he would do so during the build up to a match right there. Understandably I think. In my opinion they had every right to stop him disrupting the build up to an important game like that.}

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08 Oct 2018 07:35:44
Thanks ed001. I just meant about the situation.

I wish clubs clamped down harder on journalist in general. I know clubs should be open to scrutiny but the level of crap that has been written about united recently, I was happy to see action being taken.

{Ed001's Note - so you want clubs to dictate to newspapers what they can write? You are advocating censorship? Sorry I disagree. That story came from a legitimate source within the club, he had every right to write it and put it out there.}

08 Oct 2018 07:41:21
Esq could you give your views on our current state if you have time. The media have placed the blame firmly on Jose but I think that is very much incorrect. Although he isn't the best suited manager out their to the "United way" some of the players have been appalling to say the least and it seems he hasn't been backed 100% by the board. As a fan what I ask of from everyone involved is first and foremost 100% effort. It shouldn't matter whether you like the manager or not, whether you like the tealady or not, if you are a part of the association then you can't have these childish attitude towards the club and I don't just mean it for United and United players. You should be true to your job and fully professional at the least.

It happened at Chelsea, it happened at Leicester too, 2 prime examples of the recent times. I think player power is starting to get out of control in football as a whole.

On a side note Ed 1, who do you think United will go for if (when? ) Jose goes out of the door and who do you think we should go after? I think we might go for Zidane and I think it would be the 2nd worst choice (first being Big Sam) . I think when we go for a new manager, we should do what City and Liverpool have done, get a manager that plays the desired style of football, has a bit of success proven himself somewhere for a few years and give him 2_3 years time before demanding all sorts of results and that goes for us fans too. We should do a proper rebuild of the club and how it is run.

Rant over

{Ed001's Note - it is never 100% totally one person's fault, but Jose has to take a large portion of the blame, over 50% of it, for the way he has handled things. He has been confrontational and never willing to compromise. He has been deliberately obstructive at times and has come into the job in all the wrong way from the start. That has turned the board and players against him, when initially they were almost entirely on his side.

This is not the same situation as at either Chelsea or Leicester. This is a man who knew there were people who were not keen on his appointment and then has deliberately and wilfully antagonised them by making it known he hated living in Manchester and refusing to buy a house in the area. If you start a relationship at someone's throat and you are unwilling to compromise, the only way it goes is downhill.

He has put himself into a situation where he has made it all about himself and his demands. Only he is to blame for that.

Both the board and the players could have responded better to his actions, you are correct, but the mess there right now is largely down to Jose.

Having said that, just getting rid of Jose will not fix it, as he is just the major problem, not the whole problem. There is a need to remove Ed Woodward from any involvement with the football side of things at all, I would argue that should probably extend to the whole of United, as the achievements he has made are those any junior executive should have been able to do. A genuine football person needs to come in to oversee the football side of things, to create a blueprint for the type of football the club, as a whole, will look to play and to bring in the people to achieve that goal at all levels. That is far more important than the manager, in modern day football, as they are the roles the old school football manager at clubs like United used to fulfil. Ferguson was never a coach, in fact there were large periods where he never even got time to get to the training ground. United need to stop trying to hang on to this idealised version of what he did and move into the real world and see what he actually did. Once that is done, then the club can catch the team on the other side of the city.

As for a replacement, I really don't know. The desire of most is a big name or club legend, as anyone else would be an issue with regards to club profile and stock market value. Which is why Zidane is favourite. Because of that I do think I think I can remove options like Howe from the running. It does look like Zidane, Carrick or Giggs, as there are very few other options out there.}

08 Oct 2018 07:58:11
Dictate? I've just read my post again and that's a bit of a leap made by you.

There is a constant stream of bull**** stories published by the English media and most of the time they are never held accountable.

Something has to be done.

The next time a journalist wants to go pitchside and discuss a story like that before a game, he might think twice.

What about all of the other stories written without a shred of information or sources?

{Ed001's Note - what about them? That is not up to the club to stop, that is up to the morons who keep clicking on the links. All you have to do is not click on them as a fanbase and they will go away.}

08 Oct 2018 08:15:49
Ed, In this day and age. do you think that is going to happen? Really? In a world of brexit and President Trump.

I think as a journalist you stop with writing the clickbait crap, if you don't do that, I think you should be held accountable for your own nonsense.

{Ed001's Note - I agree it shouldn't be written, but if people are dumb enough to keep clicking the links, someone will keep writing them. I certainly wouldn't write it, I hate it with a passion and would love to see it vanish, but it is down to people as a whole to see sense and stop being such gullible fools and clicking on the links.}

08 Oct 2018 08:28:34
I know you don't write it. That's completely evident.

But the majority of these so called journalists have incredible following and ability to make people believe. That is the age that we live in unfortunately.

Someone has to be held accountable and I have no problem with journalists within the media rooms of clubs having their passes revoked by the clubs if they write complete and utter crap.

I'd imagine you'll see less and less of it being wrote as those journos live to be in those rooms. If they aren't there, then they don't get paid.

{Ed001's Note - I agree with the passes being revoked and it should be done publicly as well with a full explanation of why it has been revoked. I just disagree with your suggestion of clamping down harder. The problem is that you will end up with a situation like happened under Ferguson, when every journo who wrote the truth was banned in order to shut them up.}

08 Oct 2018 08:47:44
Lol I don't want it to go full dictator. I just don't believe that these people should be allowed to be in these media rooms when they are unable to do their job.

When i mean clamp down, I meant exactly what i elaborated on in the posts above. Thise writing absolutely crap should be held accountable. Those actually doing there job no matter how it reflects on the club should be actually be applauded. I know those journalists still exist and should be lauded.

{Ed001's Note - if the club could be trusted to do that fairly I would agree, but they can't. They are only interested in protecting their own interest.}

08 Oct 2018 08:50:16
I think a DOF of sorts is a must for Us, and if he is a guy that is liked by Fans and all then maybe the best option football wise as coach wouldn't be the hardest thing to achieve. And also ed1 I was never trying to say Jose is not at fault, what my point is people in general seem to think firing Jose and hiring a new manager will be solution I think Jose is, as you said, the biggest part of the problem but not the whole problem. I think this having to be a big name and/ or an ex player so that the fans will get behind them and the stock value won't plummet approach will eventually lead us into obscurity if not dealt with properly in time. If the club appoints a competent guy who is not yet a big name it doesn't matter to me as a fan and I think it shouldn't matter to others as well. What should matter is that the guy is leading us in the correct direction. Just a random name and not the first choice I would make but Eugenio Di Francesco will get my full backing if he is leading us to the correction direction irrespective of the fact that he is not a big name manager or has never played for United. On the other hand Mark Hughes would be a terrible choice although he is an ex player and so is Steve Bruce. This is already starting on the wrong side. Only half decent ex man it's player turned manager is Blanc and he isn't that great either. Our club is turning into a huge mess and that won't be solved just by saving Jose. It may be a start but that doesn't end there.

Also ed1 I was not trying to say that we are in the same position as Chelsea or Leicester. It was just an example of player power getting out of hand. Speaking of Leicester, what is Ranier up to these days, I think even he would be better than Zidane. I don't know why but I am not convinced by Zidane, although he has won more European trophy in 3 yrs than SAF managed in his whole Career. Something just doesn't seem right to me yet.

{Ed001's Note - I wasn't meaning it to suggest you were saying those things, it was just trying to address the whole discussion I have seen on the pages over recent weeks.

I agree on Zidane, he is not convincing at all.}

08 Oct 2018 08:56:56
So ed I know someone above has mentioned why and who would replace Jose, but have you heard anything about him leaving? Do you expect him to go soon? Personally I'd prefer to see Carrick and McKenna in charge for this season find a director of football by Christmas then see if the management issue needs to be changed at the end of the season or if those 2 are doing a good job.

{Ed001's Note - I do expect him to go because he has antagonised so many people it is only a matter of time before it comes to a head. Wins like the one at the weekend are only papering over the cracks. I don't know if the rumoured meeting did take place or not, but there is certainly a growing number of people who are pushing for him to be removed.}

08 Oct 2018 09:24:02
For all I have written above (with a million typos- do you guys even understand half of that, even I have to read it twice to be sure what I was trying to write) , United need to part ways with Jose and that is inevitable. However sweet the result at the weekend was, we were down 2_0 to a team that looks like will find hard to survive and that at home. Jose needs to take a huge share of the blame for that. The players need to put 100% effort, that is the minimum I as a fan expect but Jose is the guy in charge to ensure that does not change. Having a team full of players that don't seem like they want to break a sweat go out to play, well he makes the decision on who plays so he takes the blame too. Not all of it, but a huge chunk of it.

I think we could do a lot worse than Mr. Wenger for a shirt term solution. He might even end up being a good DOF ( who knows) . Also Conte is out of Job.
The number of so called big name manager out of job might make the board act quicker as they seemingly have the options available. Just off the top of my head Ranieri, Wenger, Zidane, Conte, Roger Schmidt, Sampaoli, they all are out of job and/ or in a position where they will be attainable a bit easily. A random name and he is at a club that was once a rival to us but wouldn't it be a hell of a journey if Mr Madman Bielsa was at our great club. That would be fun. If you think Pep plays exciting football, well he is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to high octane energetic football, a rollercoaster ride.

I know you would enjoy Bielsa at a top club ( maybe not at Utd) ed1.

On a side note Ed, with all this uncertainty is there any update on the transfer front or has this toxic environment halted the plan once more?


{Ed001's Note - the club will always continue to look at players but right now they do not even know who they will be recruiting for. It is difficult to sign players who want to know the coach who will be training them and picking them.}

08 Oct 2018 09:44:01
Exactly what I was fearing of. This kind of uncertainty happened under Van Has too and it led us to shafting a long term plan and taking the high road. Not the best decision but Van Has did warrant the sack. The club need to quickly decide what they want to do in this scenario, either fully back Jose or sack him. There are options available to the club so just make a well thought out logical decision that doesn't look at what the share prices will be tomorrow but rather looks at where will this potentially lead us to this time next year and year after that. A similar scenario resulted ultimately into this mess and also cost us Saul Niguez amongst others (according to ed2, we were going to hold+ a meeting with Atleti nut all plans were cancelled back then) . Don't want a repeat of similar situation where the club is direction less for a significant time.

Just imagine Sail in our Midfield. What a player he is, one of the best midfielders unlike someone who is always a potentially one of the best but doesn't have the time to take his head out of his backside.

{Ed001's Note - Saul is a fantastic player.}

08 Oct 2018 10:16:13
What would you do if you were incharge ed? Short term solution? Long term? Dof first? Or even stick with mourinho?

{Ed001's Note - right now you have to get through the season with as little damage as possible, so I would bring in a DoF with the remit to look over the club from top to bottom ready to get cracking next summer. Then I would give Jose a bit longer, to see if he can rein himself in long enough to see the team through. He only has to cope long enough for the DoF to identify the long term options and appoint one of them. But it has to be the man at the top first, as it needs to all stem from him.}

08 Oct 2018 10:24:18
Ed001 - I think that is superb reply and I totally agree with you about SAF. It is my understanding that as his career progressed he took a step back and became a brilliant delegator. He regularly changed his assistants and coaching staff to freshen things up, implement new ideas and keep the players motivated. He became more of an observer which gave him the advantage of being able to assess exactly what was going on at the football Club.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said any new DOF will become the most important person at the Club most certainly from a footballing perspective anyway. They will drive the footballing strategy and vision.

I was always slightly curious why we couldn't have adopted this approach when SAF retired. I think he could have remained in post for a couple of seasons as a figurehead whilst Moyes took control of the team. He would have been a valuable asset and maybe he could have been more actively involved in player recruitment aiding both Moyes and Woodward through a difficult first window. I'd have liked to have seen a slower more measured transition where Moyes was approached and offered the job as head coach ultimately taking the main role the following season or even the season after. It might just have given the Club time to find its feet and put measures in place to fill the massive void when SAF eventually retired. Of course this is all just pie in the sky reasoning but ultimately the great man was always going to retire and maybe his biggest legacy could have been overseeing the next step and ensuring the Club continued to dominate rather than just leaving a vacuous hole they have been unable to fill. Johan Cruyff left Barcelona with a footballing philosophy which has endured for decades even after his untimely death. He has provided the Club with a blueprint and recipe for continued success. I'd have like to have seen Utd follow suit with SAF engineering and planning his own retirement and legacy rather than just leaving suddenly. Of course this all sounds great in theory but I appreciate in reality it's easier said than done. Maybe he just couldn't commit any more of his time and things happened suddenly which we're out of his control. Its all ancient history now anyway.

{Ed001's Note - I think the problem you had was that Fergie was still around and it never works out when the previous, legendary, manager is still around. Busby stepped upstairs and it didn't help at all. Shankly was causing a similar issue at Liverpool after he quit, so he was asked to stay away. Cruyff went off to rebuild Ajax (if I remember correctly) so he was not there overshadowing his successors. Fergie is too strong a character to just put him to one side, unlike Paisley, for example, who acted as advisor when Dalglish was first appointed up until he fully retired in 1989 and then it all fell apart for Liverpool without him. When you have someone as strong as Fergie, it has to be a clean break or his shadow is over everything.

Your biggest problem was that he was in control of pretty much everything at the club. Great while he was there, but the minute he went it left a massive power vacuum that Eddy Woodwouldward could never hope to fill and Moyes had no intention of getting involved to that degree of micro-management. So you were left with a lot of people who no longer knew who to report to.}

08 Oct 2018 10:56:22
Is there any plans to remove Woodward or is he safe? He definitely needs to be removed from any influence over the football side.

{Ed001's Note - the plan is to appoint someone to come in and take over the football side from him but I don't believe his position to be in threat.}

08 Oct 2018 12:03:44
Hi Ed, thanks for your input into these posts it’s very interesting and helps to get some perspective.

I know things are all hypothetical but if Jose is removed in the near future do you see the club making a point to put in someone in the DoF post as the top priority?

Would make sense and have a temporary head coach until this position is filled?

{Ed001's Note - the club is already searching for one, so I would think that would be the way they would look to go.}

08 Oct 2018 12:07:18
Waking up and seeing the red response from you gives me goosebumps Ed001, seriously lol. Do agree with you, it is Jose's fault, preventable issues etc but getting rid of him won't sort everything out. But one thing, what is the need for him to buy a house if he's the only one living in it? City centre apartment is actually more convenient for him?

Also, did you see Mbappe's 4 goal haul yesterday? Incredible player with an elite mentality; saying he should have got a few more lol.

{Ed001's Note - because buying a house would allow his family to come up and stay in Manchester from time to time and visit him. It wouldn't have to be a house, but I just meant all that time in the hotel was just saying I am not putting down roots.

I haven't seen Mbappe's goals yet.}

08 Oct 2018 12:11:27
Also, what do you think of Eddie Howe Ed? Seen his name mentioned quite a bit recenty.

{Ed001's Note - I am not convinced by Howe personally. His teams' are inconsistent because he has no idea how to coach defence. He is another Roberto Martinez/Marco Silva - great when it works but all comes crashing down when things go against him. He is just lucky there not to have had a proper sticky patch, as he threw in the towel elsewhere when it happened.}

08 Oct 2018 12:32:36
Ed do you know if the reason Sir Bobby Charlton not going to any games this season is to do with health or some other reason?

{Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware he is just not that well these days. He is a very old man, his brother is severely ill and he is not 100% either. Sadly time catches up with all of us.}

08 Oct 2018 11:35:32
Any chance that we might tempt Allegri again if Mourinho does get the sack?

{Ed001's Note - I think he would not be interested again after the way he was treated last time.}

08 Oct 2018 13:08:24
Yeah your probably right Ed001. Pie in the sky talk really just thinking out loud thanks for your reply!

{Ed001's Note - it is difficult because you don't want to push out a legend like Fergie, but sometimes you have to.}

08 Oct 2018 11:35:32
Any chance that we might tempt Allegri again if Mourinho does get the sack?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

08 Oct 2018 14:34:57
Thank you Ed001 and 002 for taking out the time to provide us with this informtion, reassuring us makes us feel a lot better lol. i. e. still looking for a director = hope. Also, Monaco have played 10, Lost 7 and Drew 3 so maybe we could possible tempty Jardim though i remember Ed002 saying it would be difficult or unattainable, can't remember correctly. Ed001, there was talk of Alderweireld being available for £25m, do you know when that will be activated? (Providing he doesn't sign a new contract)

{Ed001's Note - I don't believe there is any such stipulation in his contract. It is not something Levy would allow normally.}

08 Oct 2018 15:06:57
Thanks Ed.

{Ed002's Note - The termination clause relates to a one year extension to his existing contract not to either this season nor a new contract.}

08 Oct 2018 15:37:46
You're the man Ed002, thanks.

08 Oct 2018 17:37:58
Hi, Ed001. Just wondering if you have any idea on Mourinho's feelings about us bringing in a DOF. Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - I am quite sure he fully expected one when he joined.}

08 Oct 2018 17:52:16
Can't argue with any that Ed001. Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - I am sure you could mate!}

08 Oct 2018 21:00:47
Hi ed001, just reading about your comments on Fergie and the vacuum left when he retired.

Do you liken it to Wengers time and how he used to micro manage everything? Except for the fact that arsenal seemed to have planned in advance for Wengers departure. They seemed to have put things in place so that when Wenger left, the correct people were already there.

Now you can see arsenal tying down contracts in advance and allowing emery just to focus on what happens on the pitch.

It looks like they learned from United's mistakes.

{Ed001's Note - very similar yes and you are spot on they did see a number of those issues arising and took action. Whether it is enough or not only time will tell, but they have certainly put themselves into a stronger position comparatively than United did. In fact they actually look to have improved without Wenger.}

08 Oct 2018 21:15:31
Cheers, Ed001. Didn't know if he would embrace it, or see it as a challenge to his position. Glad to hear you think he would have at least been expecting it, rather than having it thrust on him. Thanks again.

{Ed001's Note - the plan was always to bring one in mate. He is used to working with a similar set up, very few clubs outside of England operate any other way.}

07 Oct 2018 17:17:01
Firstly, great fight back by the team (but what plonkers to get themselves in the mess to start with) . Great to have maximum points in the bag from a game - quite rare these days.

Secondly, the win changes none of the underlying fundamentals. Poor club management from owners downwards. One half played in desperation because Jose has his back to the wall will not stop Jose reverting to type, perhaps as early as the next fixture. Personality and instinctive reactions are so inbred into all of us that it is almost impossible to change.

Imagine the half time score had 0-0 I have no doubt we would have seen the usual dross played out to a scoreless draw or a last minute loss due to a team error.
All other arguments aside Jose needs to be properly and decently managed towards the exit. We have not significantly improved under him and ultimately we will not be able to stop Jose being Jose.

What the second half did show us is what we might be capable of with a different coach and relatively minor tinkering with the squad.

Owners and Board. The ball is in your court. Do the right thing and do it in an above board and fair way.

Agree5 Disagree3

07 Oct 2018 18:07:47
DW20 its not gonae happen were gonae be stuck with him till at least Xmas but I will say is the board should be saying to him he needs to change his ways because we a look a lot more balanced when we're on the front foot I feel we need to go to a 3 at the back so our full backs can push forward more and I would put Sanchez up front 2 lukaku needs dropped. I personally think he would be better out wide.

07 Oct 2018 18:44:22
its a bit wrong to ask someone who has built considerable success playing a certain way to change his ways. why employ him then?

07 Oct 2018 19:54:01
Why employ him - that, as they say, is a moot point. Certainly not to play attractive United style football. That has never been the tool in his locker.
Maybe to massage Woodie's ego?

07 Oct 2018 21:15:38
Your post sums up the issue here perfectly - opinions like the one you have.
Stop thinking papering over the cracks is the answer, the changes that need to be made are well above the teams manager. Jose may not be the manager we want long term but before we ‘twtist’ again substantial changes need to be made at board level.
I’m not a Jose fan, but surely it’s for all to see that changing the manager AGAIN will just postpone this situation from arising again?


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