19 Mar 2013 13:54:21
How do bayern make so much turn over when their season tickets and regular tickets are so cheap? {Ed002's Note - I have no interest in discussing finances because it only serves to confuse.}

1.) 19 Mar 2013
19 Mar 2013 16:37:10
Its simply a better, more stable financial model. Leave it there!

Whistler.

2.) 19 Mar 2013
Imagine what our season tickets could be if the money was coming into the club and not going to Florida

3.) 19 Mar 2013
Oh goodness gracious. we're back to KLOOT expecting money for nothing. Manchester United sets its season ticket prices at the level that will maximize revenue and it will be forever thus in the era of billion dollar clubs. so get over it. United is not a not for profit or charitable trust dispensing high quality footballing entertaintment at reasonable prices to people like KLOOT who seem to believe that the chance occurance that was their birth in the greater Manchester metropolitan area entitles them to watch world class football at rock bottom prices.

On to Bayern. A quick glance at the Wikipedia page tells an interesting story. They are by far an away the most popular team in Germany in terms of supporters both inside that country and across Europe. They are the 5th most supported team in Europe (United are 3rd, Chelsea 4th, Arsenal 6th and Liverpool 9th). The next biggest team in Germany is Schalke at 21st in Europe. Bayern also have the 2nd most valuable brand in football (behind United and ahead of Real). So clearly they are moving a lot of merchandise and its highly recognizable and sought after. Germany's economy is about 50% bigger than England's. So combine the fact that there are 4 English teams competing for revenues within England and across Europe as representatives of the Premier League, the fact that Bayern is an enormous fish in a pond (Germany) that is 50% bigger than United's or any English club's pond and the fact that their on-field success has increased their global appeal up to 2nd place monetarily speaking; you have the beginnings of an explanation. I personally think the fact that they are the massively dominant club in the world's 4th or 5th biggest economy (depending on how you measure) has a lot ot do with it. That's not to say they aren't very well run or that they aren't the reason for their dominance in Germany but there are certainly outside factors.

pepe

4.) 19 Mar 2013
KLOOT it's an EPL problem not a United problem, stop with the tunnel vision :)

5.) 20 Mar 2013
20 Mar 2013 01:36:34
@HoneyBadger

it's not an EPl problem, either the higher season ticket model or the debt financed ownership. the ticket price issue is capitalistic entities will charge the revenue maximizing price for their product always and the overwhelming majority of football clubs are capitalistic entities. the debt financing is a feature of all clubs in all leagues with the exception of the bundesliga. real madrid and Barcelona both carry debts in the hundreds of millions of euros. PSG and Chelsea and Malaga and Man City too if you take them solely as football clubs without the benefits of owners and/or funky sponsorship deals. debt financing is a common business practice in these highly financialized days. and considering the bundesliga, with the exception of bayern who as I have stated are an enormous fish in a very big bowl, none of the other teams have had anything like the success of United. yes, dortmund is having a great couple of years but to criticize the EPL is just the flavor of the week. the EPL is the league all others wish they could emulate. club values constantly on the rise, great global penetration. seriously, there are 6 or 7 teams with aspirations every year of going deep in the various European competitions, massive international TV deals. stop buying the media stories about the league solvency or financial issues; they're as fabricated as the vast majority of transfer rumors; intended to get clicks or purchases of papers.

6.) 20 Mar 2013
Pepe - what on earth are you going on about?

Kloot mentioned high ticket prices at United, I pointed out they are high throughout the EPL not just at United.

Nobody mentioned debt until you did?

You totally lost me with your ramble TBH.

HBadger