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18 Dec 2016 09:39:35
Any news on Shaw's fitness and availability? He's got no return date according to physioroom. com. Do we think he's being put thru' some individual plan to get to where he needs to be physically and mentally?


1.) 18 Dec 2016 10:47:02
Possibly, I think his attitude is a problem. Hopefully he changes it and returns to the player he was before he broke his leg. I think he is a great LB and could become world class.

2.) 18 Dec 2016 11:28:18
Hb I'm not sure that shaw is injured I think it's more a case of him being unfit both physically and mentally. I believe miki had the same problem. It's up to shaw now get in shape and get your head right or he will be sold. Jose won't waste his time on players that don't want to work hard enough.

3.) 18 Dec 2016 13:13:56
Cheers, I thought that was the case. Let's hope he has the right attitude towards the challenge before him because he has plenty of talent.

4.) 18 Dec 2016 15:35:17
groin injury, i read the other day he might strat training again this week.



16 May 2014 05:00:32
Ed02, do we still have an interest in Garay or has it passed?


{Ed002's Note - PSG, Monaco and Napoli have made interest known in Garay. Manchester United have not taken the simple step of signing him when they have had the opportunities over the past year but are going to struggle to sign the centre backs they need and may well return to the player once more. Representatives of Manchester City have watched him twice in the last month of the season. They might just be hedging their bets over another player. Barcelona have looked at him before but he is not first choice. Similarly, Real MAdrid are aware that they may lose Varane - not first choice but perhaps a consideration.}

1.) Cheers for the update, much appreciated. personally I hope we go for him again.



09 Jun 2013 17:06:27
ED002 if you have a minute, does United hold an interest in Lamela of Roma? I see you say something has changed with him on another page and stated an EPL side might be interested.

Thanks in advance. {Ed002's Note - You are paraphrasing rather badly and it is nothing to do with Manchester United.}


1.) Thanks for the response Ed002, to make it clear I was referring to this you said about Lamela on the LFC site:

"An English club that were interested but stepped away because of the complex ownership and work permit issues, is again looking at the situation. "

Sorry for any confusion, I am not aware of who the previously interested club was - but so long as it's not United it's irrelevant. {Ed002's Note - Right, it is not Manchester United.}



08 Jun 2013 16:05:17
"Andrew B -

Anybody is available for the right price - but here's just a few players better than Strootman who could realistically be available for around £20m.

M'Vila, Asamoah, Sahin, Fellaini, Khedira.

Personally I'm a little gutted we missed out on Casemiro. In five years time he'll be twice the player Strootman is.


M'Vila has attitude issues which is why all the top clubs have stayed away - Arseanl would have tried to sign him if it wasn't for that. Khedeira I really doubt is available, why would you think that? Asamoah, there were rumours we were in for him but he chose Juve who are also a top team and has only been there a short while. Sahin I don't think adds the physicality other's offer so wouldn't be suited to this role. Fellaini is a bit of a marmite player - I don't like him but I can understand why others do - but regardless Everton would want at least close to £25m I would have thought which makes him notably more expensive.

All this is subjective I know, but I don't agree with you that these players are all 1) better than Strootman 2) available, and 3) could be got for £20m (I think we can get Strootman for a few mil less than that too).


1.) I think Strootman may come cheaper than some may think.


2.) People say Strootman is too slow yet they then mention Sahin.

3.) M'Vila is s***. Massively overrated. Strootman all day long. Twice on Sundays

4.) I wouldn't be surprised to see Khedira become available. Madrid recently signed Casemiro and I can see him playing a fair amount next season. Khedira already misses about 1/3rd of Madrid's games due to their rotation and that could leave to him leaving as could the new manager not wanting to keep him.

Juventus are also spoiled for choice in the cm area (Pogba is also improving to the point he probably deserves a spot in the first 11) and so Asamoah becoming available also seems possible to me - especially if we offered £15m - £20m.

M'Vila having an attitude is one of those things that seems to have become a fact through people repeating it as though it is one. I have never actually read or heard anything from anybody who has worked with him directly to suggest as much. Pointing to his failure to sign for a big club as evidence of this seems a little speculative - as one could argue that Strootman has the same attitude problems and that that is the reason we seem to be the only club in for him.

Fellaini's release clause is said to be £22m. As stupid as it sounds - £2m in football is very little - so when I say around £20m I think it's fair to say that £22m falls into that bracket.

Sahin not being physical enough shouldn't discount him in my view. What he lacks in physicality he makes up for in mobility. Most people's opinions of him seem to be based on his time at Liverpool - which was a farce. Roger's had no idea how best to utilise his abilities - but based on how he played at Dortmund both 3 years ago and at the tail end of last season - it's clear to me that he would add a lot to our team.

Adding to my list - it looks as though Alonso could be available this summer as well - and he too - I think - would add more to the team than Strootman over the next 4 years.


5.) Strootman will be the future for dutch football I rate him more than the above players. a box to box midfielder is what this club needs.


6.) I've seen Strootman play a few times now. Granted, it was only on TV and you can't get a true feel for a player until you see them live, but he has looked quality. Good touch, good passer, energy, physicality. I honestly think he's exactly what the united midfield is missing. I midfield 3 of Carrick, Strootman and Kagawa could be brilliant. Each to their own though, although I really don't want Fellaini.


7.) I reckon strootman will be better than any of those players.

8.) Sahin?

9.) What are all these coments about strootman being slow. Why not watch him on youtube? I can't remember the last time I saw a central midfielder as fast as him. All you have to do is go on youtube and type in "strootman. " Comon people!

His style reminds me of jan vertohgen of tottenham, who has had a very good season. Personally think he does look like a very good prospect, and will very much suit our team.

10.) Redseven

If Khedeira became available he would be a brilliant acquisition IMO, a better more rounded player than Strootman (who still has time to develop). But you cited speculation on my part though so for you to say you think he will become available is just the same. I would be amazed if he were made available this summer TBH which is when we are in the market.

I think it is widely known about M'Vila's issues but fair enough if you don't want to believe it. It's more down to whether the people with the purse strings believe it or not, which I suspect they do at clubs like Arsenal who have tracked him.

Didn't know Fellaini had a release clause - IF this is true then fair play. I still think we could get Strootman for £16-18m though.

Some of the other names you have mentioned TBH I don't think are much better than Strootman, if at all. And considering his age he has time to develop into a better player than most on your list. I'm not for one moment saying he is great or ever will be but I think he'd be a good, solid buy and has the potential to become a very good CM.

11.) Hate khedira he's dirty. Sahin is quality but plays the same role as carrick and needs a solid DM next to him. Strootman all the way

12.) I find this very funny when m'vila has joined a club in January, nuff said. ARSENAL FAN! WE ARE BETTER :) VAN PERSIE HATEER

13.) Matt,

Couldnt agree with you more.

Spot on!


14.) There's a big difference between me saying that I think Khedira could become available and you stating that 'M'vila has attitude issues'. I'm offering my opinion and stating how I've formulated it - whilst you are stating something as fact without being able to offer any sort of proof other than paper talk.

Re M'Vila; If by 'it's widely known' you mean that a fair few places have 'reported' it - then you are indeed correct. Having worked as a journalist however, I am aware of how poor journalism can lead to things like this becoming 'fact'.

For example. M'Vila doesn't move to Arsenal and so somebody somewhere speculates that it's because of an attitude issue. Another reporter - eager to not miss out on a story - takes the first reporter at their word and reports the same thing - and before you know it there's 5 or 6 stories each stating the same thing which then becomes assumed as 'fact'.

It may well be true - but to this date I'm yet to read an article with a credible source (I' don't pay much attention to 'club sources') suggesting that M'Vila has an attitude problem. Until I do - I won't alter my opinion.

As I said in my original post - I don't think Strootman would be a bad signing - but am not convinced that he will ever be 'world class'. From your last paragraph it seems we're on the same page when it comes to Strootman - if not for me thinking there may be better players out there. Let's leave it at that?


15.) Alonso would never sign for us and we'd get about 2-3 years out of him tops.

M'Vila ok fair enough the attitude is subjective but there must be a reason no big club has gone for him, he seems to have been around for ages now.

Asamoah, is he really worth 20 million? I'd say no.

Khedira would probably go back to Germany or end up in Italy.

Sahin, couldn't cut it over here, its not all on Rogers.

Fellaini has the advantage of Prem experience. Is that worth 5 million more than Strootman would cost?

16.) I agree we don't seem a million miles apart on the player himself I just don't believe many of the players you suggested will be better than Strootman in the future and the other's I'm not sure are available.

Sure, I was just debating your points that's all more than happy to leave it at that. We both want the same for the club after all!

17.) Sahin is he the one that made it at Liverpool

18.) If we play Strootman and Carrick in midfield next season we will have the slowest midfield in the league. If our opponents have a bit of pace they will cut right through it. And apart from that I haven't seen anything from Strootman that would suggest that he is good enough for United.

The player we should try to get to play in central midfield with Carrick is Thiago. He at least has the potential to become a world class player and would add much needed creativity and ball rentention to our team.

If Strootman will be our central midfield signing I fear that we will fall quite a bit behind City and Chelsea when they get their top targets.

19.) Why do you think he's slow? I've watched a few of his games this season and he is fairly quick, not the fastest player around, but probably faster than most central midfielders.

Do you actually watch games before you make anonymous comments about players, or do you just look at their stats on football manager?




31 Mar 2013 03:52:37
Did anyone else hear Niall Quinn say Sunderland were willing to pay up to £12m for J Evans before he'd even played a game for United? That's crazy money but I'm so glad we kept hold of him. He's been great this season and has improved to no end over the last 2 years. When he came on today he looked as composed as usual. I'm really hoping Rio stays for 1 more year and we don't sign Garay as I feel there's nobody better to take over from Rio than Evans ATM.

Next year I'd have Vidic & Evans as 1st choice with Jones & Smalling as younger understudies, with Rio as additional cover.


1.) Evans gets better as he matures, I too think he is a top Defender with every chance of going on to be united legend.

2.) I thought Evans would be top class a few seasons back, but then he faded and even now he's only just getting back to that level of performance. My concern is whether he will maintain it or not.

3.) Evans is a continental type defender. Brilliant on the ball and brilliant passer left or right footed. He is a little naive sometimes though and needs to work on his positioning because that is what let's him down too often. There's no better person than Rio to learn off in that sense though and that could be why he has partnered Rio a lot in the last few seasons. Great talent and long may he stay at united, his legend status will depend on how Smalling and Jones develop though and I think they are the future long term partnership for our defense, SAF has said that himself in fact.





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29 Jul 2017 10:45:19
Anybody else taken aback by the recent posts suggesting the owners are not willing to back the manager? I find it absurd tbh. According to tranfermarkt in recent years we have paid £89m Pogba (world record), £75/ 90m Lukaku (most ever paid for no. 9), £61m Di Maria, £51m Martial. We have paid £30m or more for a long list of players including Lindelof, Bailly, Mikhi, Herrera, Shaw and on and on. The wages givenn to players like Zlatan, Falcao were enotmous and.


1.) 29 Jul 2017 11:13:46
I'm amazed.

2.) 29 Jul 2017 11:54:55
Completely agree. We have spent enormous sums since Fergie retired. Can't just place the blame on Woodward and the people at the top if some of the players have failed to perform to the high expectations.

3.) 29 Jul 2017 12:00:37

I think we will find out over the next few weeks. If we buy the likes of Bale, Neymar, Sanchez and add a quality midfield player like Veratti then it will allay some fears over the owners commitment.

If we shop at a lower level then I will question the owners. They already have foisted an immense debt on the club and we failed for years to spend enough to keep us at the level we had worked to get to. Now is the time they have to show ambition on the playing side not just the commercial one.

4.) 29 Jul 2017 12:01:37
Woodward is taking the flack for the recent lack of activity but if you look around there aren't many incomings at our rivals. Look at Tottenham, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool. Between 0-3 players each.

Only City have splashed the cash. If United had just spent over £120 million on fullbacks the papers would be saying we're trying to buy the title and fans would be complaining about overspending.

5.) 29 Jul 2017 12:45:57
I wouldn't be against trying to raise funds by selling players. Why not. We shouldn't be fleeced every time we want to buy a player.

6.) 29 Jul 2017 13:02:50
In recent years yes the money has been spent. In the previous "no value in the market" years it was not.
We are possibly at that stage now when we get line like the transfer market is crazy so let's see.

7.) 29 Jul 2017 13:54:31
Red Man, from everything we have read the only one who might be an option is Bale, it's not as easy as bidding and buying.

8.) 29 Jul 2017 14:13:03
Wazza Fans complaining . Never.

9.) 29 Jul 2017 14:53:48

I understand that but we must aim high. If City can get Sanchez why couldn't we? I can't see us being in front of them unless we get a Bale level player. I would prefer someone of his age rather than Neymar because I think the door needs to be open for young players like Gomes and Chong if they develop. The thing is that if you take out the transfer of Pogba, who wanted to come back, how many real top level players wanted by the very top teams have we bought since Rio Ferdinand? Note he was pre Glazer.

10.) 29 Jul 2017 14:55:04
Walrus, men never complain. So I tell my Mrs.

11.) 29 Jul 2017 16:02:38
Makes you think. During the end of safs tenure, was it him not wanting to spend or the owners . Cause if he thought there was no value in the market then imagine what he thinks now.



18 Dec 2016 09:43:09
Catching up with our rivals, playing well and winning games with our star players in good form. City v Arse today, Liverpool have Everton monday then city in a week or so. Meanwhile our next two games are home against Sunderland and Borough. can't help but be excited right now as a United fan.


1.) 18 Dec 2016 10:20:39
Agree with excitement but urge caution: those are the games that will really gauge where the improving United are. Top teams have the ability to grind out results against battling teams, whereas we've had a tendency to draw.

2.) 18 Dec 2016 11:06:15
There'll always be a level of caution given our recent troubles, you're right. I'm still expecting a long hard slog but there are many good signs and I'm enjoying our development.



15 Aug 2015 11:08:16
Nice avatar jred, just need Ricky to join us now.
Smokes let's go!


1.) 15 Aug 2015 13:09:34
Conky avatar would be decent



13 Aug 2015 17:12:49
.I see lot's of posts about the weaknesses in our team and how they don't match up to our rivals. I think sometimes people have an idyllic view of our rivals teams so I thought I might look at some of their weaknesses, just for a bit of fun.

City. Zabaleta has been awesome but last season seemed to have dropped off. Clichy, Kolorov, Sagna none of these are great meaning that City don't have great full backs IMO. Our aquisitions of Shaw and Darmian start to look better. At CB, Kompany has been awesome but looked shakey the last 18 months and struggled with injury. Him aside, they don't have any great CB's imo - if we had the same options posters would moan that its a weakness compared to our rivals. DM they have Fernando/Fernandinho both OK but not great. We have strength in these positions finally. Up top they have Aguero who is world class but when he's injured its a massive drop in quality, some might say that is a weakness although granted Bony is better than our back up options.

City are a very strong team and squad but as I've pointed out you could perceive them to have many weaknesses - I'm sure if we had their squad people would moan along the lines of what I said above.

Arsenal. A very good, balanced team and squad. But Giroud is their best striker and they have little back up - a major weakness surely? Coquelin looked good last season but he's not world class and there is no cover for him. Kos is a top CB but the rest of them have major question marks - if we had those options I'm sure there would be grumblings from our fans.

Chelse tbf are very strong and have very little weaknesses but some might point out Costa's injury worries and the fact his back ups don't look great? Or that when you take Hazard out they struggle to break teams down through lack of creativity.

Don't take this post as me slagging off those teams - as I've said they all have many qualities. But I thought it my serve as an illustration that the "we have weaknesses compared to our rivals" posts can be flipped around. I can assure you that many of the things I've mentioned above are indeed talked about on the other team pages, even sometimes sighting us as a rival that they need to keep up with (following our summer spending).

We still have a few areas which could be strengthened (I don't disagree) but so do most of our major rivals.


1.) 13 Aug 2015 17:45:52
Chelsea have a very good 11, but their bench IMO is pretty weak.

2.) 13 Aug 2015 17:46:25
Great post HB. I remember last year befor3 the transfer window had opened. Ed002 said 'you guys will be very surprised when you look at the team in a years time as it will look completely different' guess what it has exceeded our expectation and the team looks completely different to the one we had in 2012/13 season or 2013/14 season.

Like HB mentions we now need 1 or 2 players to complete the team and from here on we would just add players of we need it . But we wouldn't need a drastic change as we just had, it will take gelling these players in . Imo we will challenge this year and we will win the league next year. Nothing is guaranteed but I certainly hope this is how it turns out.

3.) 13 Aug 2015 21:35:48
Thanks Singh, to be challenging this year then win the league next year is where I think its at also. Fingers crossed and let's enjoy the journey.

4.) 13 Aug 2015 22:05:31
Top post as usual HB .We are going to be up their this term , most of the deadwood has gone and i for one believe we still have space for a game changer.The next 3 weeks will be very interesting 😆😆



12 Jul 2015 23:45:11
Time for Nomidfield to change his username?

Agree or disagree


1.) 13 Jul 2015 00:29:42
Change to no strikers

2.) 13 Jul 2015 00:39:30
I've suggested, can't spell our midfield. But then again I've just got in from the pub, and am still in shock.

3.) 13 Jul 2015 01:31:03

4.) 13 Jul 2015 07:31:05
GDS, brilliant. Possibly toomuchmidfield? Cantspellourmidfield?

5.) 13 Jul 2015 07:53:37
Like those suggestions, good one Gds haha.

6.) 13 Jul 2015 08:53:00
Hb. You are right. It is in the process of being changed. Great suggestions. Gds, great name.




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12 Jul 2017 17:20:46
Agree with Beast on Sanchez' attitude he comes across as a real winner. It just seems to marry up to his all action playing style. I would take him over most players in Europe (including Neymar and the likes) but cannot see it happening sadly.




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15 Jun 2017 02:51:18
Maze, did Gazpat make that observation about Rooney/ Carrick being to blame over Di Maria/ Falcao? If not, then I'm not sure why he needs to answer your totally hypothetical scenario. I also don't see anything in his original post to suggest he favors foreign named players over homegrown. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet as usual.




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24 Mar 2017 18:10:49
Thats typical! Funnily enough though a CB partnership of Rojo and Bailly is something I've wanted to see for a while, let's hope they stay fit and do well.




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18 Dec 2016 13:13:56
Cheers, I thought that was the case. Let's hope he has the right attitude towards the challenge before him because he has plenty of talent.




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16 Aug 2016 11:11:08
Steve, I agree with the principle of what you're saying but in this case I just don't see what positions he'd be covering? His main position is wide left, where Martial starts and Jose has made I clear that Depay will get chances (he came on Sun) . Rashford can also play there and needs the game time far more than Young.

I cannot see Jose playing Young as a LB personally and in any case Shaw is covered by Blind, Rojo, CBJ and even Darmian as things stand. Even if Rojo or Darmian go still plenty of cover!

I don't mind Young, he's dependable and being homegrown is a bonus. But I just don't see that we need him - we have a bloated squad and could do with losing 2 or 3 players Imo.





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02 Feb 2019 20:23:31
Evening guys! I still lurk yet barely post these days. Hope you are all well! Ole ole ole.


{Ed025's Note - nice to hear from you mate..



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31 Aug 2017 20:25:40
Fair enough ken, that's your opinion and we are not too far apart in all honestly. All I will remind posters is that this league is the most unpredictable out of all the major leagues, by far. Makes it all the more exciting mind!




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31 Aug 2017 18:30:17
I have City up there as one of the favourites (alongside us hopefully) but I never understand posters who are so sure in their opinions "city will walk the league" or "united 3rd or 4th at best". Its like some people only started watching footy yesterday. This time last year people said City would walk the league but they ended 3rd I think. Conte was about to get sacked but then won the league with the likes of Moses and Cahill starting most games. The season before; Leicester won the league! Perhaps factors such as form, teamwork and tactics are as important as flashy new players? We look in better shape this year with the likes of Pogba, Mikhi, Martial etc etc all performing better so far. Its great to have opinions and strong ones at that - but anyone who thinks they know how the league will look come May is taking a huge leap of faith Imo. Let's see what happens.




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12 Jul 2017 17:26:00
I imagine the question some would ask is - is being decent on the ball enough for what we need? Especially at the prices quoted. We currently have Carrick who is technically excellent but not as much of a beast defensively. I guess it depends on which attribute you value most highly (defensive strength / technical ability) and how you see our lineup benefitting from either. And more importantly which attributes Jose values more highly for that role.




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04 Jul 2017 18:32:49
Agree with Fresh and strebor - title challenge and last 8 of CL should be the aim. That would restore our status and some confidence among our squad. A trophy (esp the league title) would be the cherry on top.