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23 Aug 2019 16:51:32
Just to freshen things up I would just like to ask everyone what would your all time favourite United players team look like?

So a viable team of 11 players of United players who have played for the club in your lifetime. You can name a bench of 7 players if you want as well.

This doesn't have to be the best 11 players, just your personal favourites.

My team looks like this:

VdS, Neville, Ferdinand, Stam, Irwin, Keane, Scholes, Tevez, Cantona, Ronaldo, RvP

In a 4231. Bench: Schmeichel, Evra, Vidic, Carrick, Giggs, Solskjaer, Park Ji-Sung.

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23 Aug 2019 18:21:58
Pete.
G nev mcgrath stam irwin
Becks robson scholes giggs
Hughes ruud
Les sealy, cantona keane rio whiteside ronaldo yorke.

23 Aug 2019 18:24:39
No robson shappy? 1st name on my team sheet.
To be fair its a tough job picking an all-time team i only left best out because i am too young by about 3 years. and its not often i can say that😂😂😂.

23 Aug 2019 19:21:37
Schmeichel Foulkes, Stam, Ferdinand, Irwin, Ronaldo, Best, Keane, Robson, Charlton, RvN.

23 Aug 2019 19:59:45
Redman might even get nobby and Duncan Edwards in😂😂.

23 Aug 2019 20:37:06
Ken, I'm plagued with youth. So I only remember Robson's latter years which were more and more disrupted through injury. Having watched videos of him in his prime he was clearly one of the best, just a shame I don't really have that connection with him in the same way as those a few years older than me have.

23 Aug 2019 23:23:09
Schmeichel
G Nev, Ferdinand, Stam, Evra
Scholes, Keane, Charlton
Best, Ronaldo, Giggs.

24 Aug 2019 08:58:59
Schmeichel
Neville Buchan pallister irwin
Johnson Keane Scholes
Best Ronaldo giggs

Vds Ferdinand Robson mcilroy Charlton law rooney.

24 Aug 2019 10:33:28
Schmeichel
G. Neville Ferdinand Stam Irwin
Becks Keane Scholes Giggs
Ronaldo Cantona

Subs - VDS Evra Vidic Hughes Robbo Best Rooney.

24 Aug 2019 12:18:27
Schmeichel
Neville - Ferdinand - Stam - Evra

Beckham - Keane - Scholes - Giggs

Ronaldo - Cantona

Subs: Van Der Sar, Vidic, Irwin, Carrick, Robson, Kanchelskis, Rooney.

24 Aug 2019 13:13:47
Yeah shaps i feel the same about best. And i know its folly not to have ronaldo in the team but when i was a younger i thought Mark Hughes was the dogs nuts.
I used to video record match of the day and watch him over and over and then go out and practise and copy everything i saw him doing. So i followed your brief and went for my favourite players.

Mcgrath never really did himself justice at united but he is the best cb i've ever seen play the game for ireland simply awesome. Robson said not only was he the best player he ever played with he was the best player he ever played against. ( he then said excluding maradona)
PS. For someone blessed with such youth. You are no advert for oil of olay🤣🤣🤣😋.

24 Aug 2019 18:04:16
Pete
Gaz Rio Bruce Irwin
Beckham Keane Robson Giggs
Ronaldo RVN

VDS Vidic Evra Scholes Cantona Rooney Cole

Honourable mentions to the old brigade - Charlton, Best, Law, Stiles - before my time but no less legends of the club and the game.

24 Aug 2019 20:29:55
Schmeichel, Irwin, Buchan, Bruce, Neville, Hill, Coppell, Scholes, Robson, Stapleton, Van Nistelrooy.

Subs: Stepney, Greenhoff, Micky Thomas, Stam, Giggs, Whiteside, Keane.

Honourable mentions to the ones I've only read about or watched videos of: Gregg, Best, Edward's and Law.

24 Aug 2019 21:20:52
I knew hill would make yours Stevie😂 Merlin was magic.

25 Aug 2019 11:23:52
Probably my favourite player when I started following them, Ken. A lot to choose from back then, despite our relative lack of success. Could have had big Joe Jordan in there, too, as well as the likes of Sammy McIlroy and Arthur Albiston. Green hoof and Thomas made the squad because they signed my autograph book at my very first game, and bought me a fanta and my dad a pint. I'm easily bought 😁.

25 Aug 2019 14:59:49
Slut😂.

21 Aug 2019 19:35:01
I have watched the wolves game twice now,

I don't think we have anything to moan about really, we should have killed the game in 1st half.

We didn't so wolves pushed and got a deserved goal, player miss penalties it happens so not one to keep going over.

I was happy with the result and performance compared to recent visits there.

I do think somone else should be given a chance in the role lingard is playing.

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21 Aug 2019 20:16:54
Big v how was the cruise?

Yeah i agree. We played very well in most aspects of the game but created next to nothing.

No issue on the pen other than the wrong player took it. Missing 5 out of the last 10 pens tells you if you get a pen and he takes it its no more than a 50/ 50 chance. The statists over a season are 75% of pens are scored.
For me its a kop out for ole to let the players decide at the moment. If a players keeps misses half the time then he shouldn't be allowed take them.
The style of football was better than we have seen with good attacking intent.
Feels like 2 points dropped to me but at least i feel we could have and should have won.

22 Aug 2019 04:22:54
It was good and boozy thanks haha, yeah I agree that ole should have his set takers, I get the feeling he is trying to accomadate pogba to much. This will probably cause some issues later in the year.

22 Aug 2019 08:35:37
Ken you keep posting that like the lingard stat but it wrong.
Pogba has took 11 pens for united scored 7 missed 4 which is a 64% success rate.
He also converted a rebound from one of the missed penalties.

22 Aug 2019 09:25:31
I stand corrected.
He has missed 4 of his last 10 in all comps not 5.
And has missed 4 of his last 9 in the epl.
Well below the average and the 6th worst penalty record of all time in the epl.
Great little fella for pointing that out for clarity. Well done. Gold star.

22 Aug 2019 09:44:56
Ken,

5th worst player from players who have taken more than 10, Sky searched desperately for a table that made sure Pogba was in it and still only managed to get him 5th!

Surprised they didn't say worst record of any French player who took more than 10, but he wouldn't have even been top of that list either as Steed Malbranque (who was known as a good penalty taker) would be above him.

22 Aug 2019 09:58:32
And 4 of his last 11.
No probs,

22 Aug 2019 10:00:30
I think you two need some relationship councelling :)

22 Aug 2019 10:18:25
A lot has been made about a penalty miss.
The pogba agenda? Got to say some of the abuse is disgusting.

22 Aug 2019 11:32:11
Nobody should be abused for missing a penalty or several penalties they should just lose the job.

23 Aug 2019 12:06:43
We were the dominant team in the 1st half, for sure. However we didn't manage to create many scoring opportunities in the game. Hopefully it does not become a theme for the season.

20 Aug 2019 09:43:18
So what can we take from last nights game?

Well the first thing I think we need to take from this is that we have a young team and with that comes a certain amount of inconsistency. Against Chelsea we were clinical taking our chances and putting Chelsea to the sword in a game where the balance of play wasn't fairly represented by the scoreline. Whereas, last night we weren't clinical in a game where we had far more control. We had two of our 8 shots on target (the goal from Martial and the penalty from Pogba) .

The second thing is Pogba's performance, I actually think he is better played deeper, it allows him to get on the ball more and dictate our play. The problem with this is that he can be inconsistent. He made more passes than anyone else on the pitch, yet he was unable to carve the chances we needed from deep. This will be a recurring theme against sides that sit deep. Pogba will have time on the ball but there won't be the space in front of him to play the more expansive passes. These are the games we need a clever and creative No.10 for, someone who can find half a yard of space or a clever around the corner pass in the final third. I won't hang draw and quarter Pogba over the penalty miss as every single designated penalty taker for our club has missed a penalty at some point. It happens.

I thought Dan James worked hard defensively and pressed well from the front which allowed us to have more control over the game than we have had against Wolves last season. However, his end product was lacking, 6 crosses and not a single one finding a United player. Maybe its because he was out of position on the right, maybe it was adjusting to the step up in quality or maybe it's just the inconsistencies of youth. Either way, in the early part of this season he might be better suited to an impact sub role while he finds his feet at a new club in a higher division.

Defensively I thought we looked much improved. Wolves had a spell at the start of the second half, where they struck the post and scored a worldie. Both incidents came from the same problem. Set-pieces. The header that struck the post came from Pogba losing his man from a corner. The second came from all our players being sucked in to create the space for Neves from a corner. Although concerning that Wolves two best chances came from the same situation, this is something a new and settling defence will be working on and should iron out over the course of the season. With Maguire in our defence teams will be less inclined to play balls into the box from set pieces. So we need to be aware that they will try more creative ideas if they are to get any joy from them.

Finally we need to consider that Wolves are a very very good side. Last season against the top six at Molineux they only lost against Spurs and Liverpool (the two UCL finalists) . They held last season's league winners to a 1-1 draw and they beat us, Chelsea and Arsenal. So a 1-1 draw is a good result, even if it is annoying that we had control of the game and it feels like two points dropped. The fact we can now go to one of the toughest away grounds in the league, control the game and come away feeling disappointed to have only drawn is a massive step in the right direction compared to last season.

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20 Aug 2019 11:03:53
So much about Pogba and nothing about Lingard? Guy have not assisted or scored a goal in 2019.

20 Aug 2019 11:10:19
There was no corner it was a free kick and pretty sure jiminez beat rashford to the ball not pogba.

20 Aug 2019 11:30:35
Yes it was a free kick, same issue though that it was a set piece.

Rashford was closest to Jiminez when he headed the ball, but it was Pogba who was picking him up and failed to track the run.

Lingard is one of the player we need to upgrade in the starting 11.

Yet the only options at the club to replace him is Mata who is unsuited to a high press, Andreas Pereira who is slightly more creative but less effective at pressing and Angel Gomes who looks a real talent but will need a certain amount of bedding in.

So at the moment Lingard is still the best option for a high pressing system. The work he, Rashford and James did last night was the main reason we dominated the game for large parts.

20 Aug 2019 11:43:16
Yes Becks, but he runs around alot.

20 Aug 2019 11:50:44
Watched the replay and i don't know how you could tell who was marking who, because boly and jiminez started near each other and neither were covered by either pogba or shaw, which also begs a question why shaw and pogba were marking 2 of the 3 tallest wolves players on the pitch.

20 Aug 2019 13:45:53
my grpe with last night is we need a goal and he waits till 4 mins to go and then brings greenwood on. he looks like he has no plan b. phelan sits there like stan laurel rubbing what hair he has.

20 Aug 2019 16:39:44
Good post Shappy can't argue with any of that pal.

21 Aug 2019 17:09:37
wolves are a good side, a point away to them is a good point.


yes we could have won the game with the penalty but that's football we gained a point away at a very good side

not many teams will go to wolves and beat them.

{Ed047's Note - only because you are a shadow of your former self, no way would Fergie be happy to go anywhere and get a point mate.

21 Aug 2019 18:57:15
Maybe not Fergie, Ed047, but our last one certainly would have been.

{Ed047's Note - haha yes he most definitely would have Nou. You’ve got to get that fear factor back too mate.

22 Aug 2019 09:46:48
ED047,

Fergie went to plenty of places for a point, happened pretty often, especially in CL away matches where he always said a point was a good result. I remember quite a few games where he said a point would look good at the end of the season. 4 from 6 is a good start and would have been under Fergie.

No need to re-write history as if Fergie won every match we played playing world class attacking football.

{Ed047's Note - but would he have been happy to go to the likes of Wolves for a point, or more your Liverpool’s, Chelsea’s, Spurs and Arsenal or the bigger European games where a point was a great result.

There are always going to be good draws.

I’m not talking about Wenger’s latter years Arsenal either! 😉

22 Aug 2019 18:29:24
If fergie had been in charge for the game the other night, I don't think he would have been best pleased.

20 Aug 2019 07:24:19
Well it was not a poor performance last night - tempo is certainly better. We are showing more attacking intent and there is, on the whole, more pace to our play. We certainly huffed and puffed last night, and to be fair we did show good character in retaking control of the game after a good 15 minutes from Wolves early in the 2nd half.
I know it a young team and they will improve with experience, but I have got to say one area they need to work on is decision making. That can be a difficult in many ways because decision making, to an extent, is something instinctive and comes naturally.
But some of the decision making from our players is at times woeful. Obviously the penalty was a farce, but in general play we all too often make poor decisions in choice of pass, or whether to pass or shoot etc. Far too many rash and rushed shots, especially second half. And Rashford with those ridiculous shots from free kicks - what was that all about?
Like I say, not being too harsh on them because there are a lot of young lads there, and these things will improve (hopefully) with game time and experience.
Passing was pretty poor at times too, with us giving up possession too easily and then being caught on the counter. But on the whole, there are signs that we are moving in the right direction. More urgency, better tempo and more positive in our play generally, just need a bit more composure and improve that decision making.

Still think we made a mistake in not bringing in another proved striker though. I think we may struggle to turn chances in to goals at times this season.

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20 Aug 2019 08:31:55
To add to what you've written, I think we definitely have to be better at set-pieces. We've got a good aerial presence, with the likes of Maguire, Lindelof, McTominay etc and we should be looking to attack corners, free kicks when we get them. It's good to be solid in our box while defending, but I think it's also important to be able to create chances while attacking.

20 Aug 2019 08:49:08
I thought there was a lot of positives again last night, enjoyed the game.
First half was the best we have played in a while, only second game of the season but you can see the direction and it coming together imo.

20 Aug 2019 09:33:13
Looking a lot better. It is easy to look at the pen and say Rashford should have took it. Or that Pogba hit it at an easy height. That was a good save from Patricio. He kept his feet back on the line and still dived across and out to narrow the angle. It was hit with some power and the keeper deserves the credit there.

We all want Pogba to be the type of player who grabs a game by the scruff of the neck and takes it over. Well THAT Pogba, that we have seen all to infrequently definitely grabs the penalty and takes charge.

I think Ole needs to make a statement and give pens to either Rashford or Martial. They both have a better conversion rate I think?

But altogether the green shoots of a good side can be seen developing.

Much better than the last few years.

20 Aug 2019 09:37:10
Exciting future imo.
Once players understand each other's game, we will become a potent attacking team.
Off the ball movements from players have improved a lot.
Last year we struggled to contain Jiminez and Jota, this year we almost kept them quiet.

The defensive organization needs to improve. We are open in the middle at times.

20 Aug 2019 09:40:28
I thought the same jred. Although we lacked some clear cut chances we played pretty well. We will know where we are in a few more games but last night certainly very positive.

20 Aug 2019 12:23:53
Angel
There a decent team at home it was a decent performance, only second game of the season. Looking good at the moment imo.

20 Aug 2019 13:11:29
I agree jred. What last night and chelsea game has shown is that collectively they are all pulling together, working hard. Mistakes will be ironed out in the coming weeks.

I am particularly impressed by the front four, never relented, pressed, harassed. If they continue with this, other teams will make mistakes and give us more opportunities. With jessie and james, they will get better as time goes on.

20 Aug 2019 13:39:27
They look like a team, a young team that is developing.
People will continue to try to find negatives but imo there are a lot of positives.
I thought martial looked the part last night.

20 Aug 2019 13:48:15
Marital is a CF no doubt. If we can give him more of the same as last, he bangs them in 8/ 10 times.

I think, early in the season, it will always be easy to point out negatives. But collectively they are pulling in the same direction, that's what stood out last night. As games go by, this forward line will create and score more. I think we were just a pass here and there away last night from creating more goal scoring opps.

20 Aug 2019 14:06:56
Martial is a striker all day long imo, like you say the more games we play the better it should/ hopefully will get .

21 Aug 2019 06:27:02
If Martial finds consistency, he will be top drawer.

19 Aug 2019 22:12:10
Has anyone read Roy Keane's two biographies and George Best's? Holiday soon and need some books.

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19 Aug 2019 22:20:48
Zlatans book is a good read, so is pirlos, and Keane second book.

19 Aug 2019 22:21:14
If you want a good sport bio read Mike Tyson's.

19 Aug 2019 22:51:02
Paul mcgrath mate. Great great read. Or I've just finished one about ben Johnson and carl lewis. Dirtiest race in history. Not football but incredible.

19 Aug 2019 22:58:49
I read that 8ne as well angel, mcgraths book is very good.

20 Aug 2019 08:21:22
Cheers all.

20 Aug 2019 11:08:35
Both Keane's books are brilliant I've just got back from Greece and read most of his 2nd one. But I would be a tad biased as Roy Keane is the Greatest.

21 Aug 2019 15:22:50
Read Keynes first 👍.

19 Aug 2019 21:18:38
With wolves being notoriously hard to break down I would have preferred to see gomez or chong on the bench to add more creativity and tenacity. As the season progresses if things don't go well it might see ole playing it safer rather than taking more risks with the squad.

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19 Aug 2019 00:27:14
Jered

I seen your post regarding UTD not been consistent or making 97 points in their heyday and it got me thinking.

In UTDs Heyday you could tackle the ball and some of the player too. I can remember some great last ditch tackles in or around the box back in the late 90s early 00s

This era of football is not a mans game IMO? . The game stops as soon as a player loses the ball and throws himself to the floor! Then the ball hits your arm in the box peno or like Salah quick shift of feet fall over a leg and boom 3 points thank you.

We all laughed in my house at PEDRO. he lost the ball and went down 3 seconds later turning away in anguish slamming the ground. I said this must be serious? Till I seen the replay what theatrics I must say. Then he hobbled off like each step is a hot coal beneath his foot. He was 2 mins on side line and ran onto pitch full of beans after magic spray.

The women footballers put the men to shame . They get bad knocks jump up and get on with it.

Maybe VAR can sort it out lol.

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19 Aug 2019 19:47:54
It's a changing game.

18 Aug 2019 19:05:51
Very impressed with Maddison again today, if he keeps on learning and improving he'll be some player.

Building on our transfer business over the summer targeting young, hungry, English talent Maddison and Sancho would be two brilliant additions next summer.

If we can somehow get them two into our Club and continue to see the likes of Greenwood, Gomes, Chong and Garner improve and develop plus find a decent replacement for Pogba we won't be that far away.

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18 Aug 2019 22:28:11
Noucamp got me on the maddison bus about 8 months ago. Terrific player. End product can and will improve. I think city will be sniffing around there too looking for a replacement for Silva next summer. i'd take him and chilwell from Leicester in a heartbeat.
They fit the profile ole is looking for.

19 Aug 2019 09:58:19
I wanted Maddison all summer ahead of players such as Dybala or Bruno Fernandes.

I rate him very highly, fun stat he was the only player in Europe's top 5 leagues last season to create 100+ goal scoring chances.

Stick him with more clinical players and he will be smashing 20+ assists a season.

19 Aug 2019 12:29:51
Agree with everything that’s been said above. I’d be chuffed with Maddison and Sancho in next summer. Young, talented and British thus in keeping with a british core. A sprinkle of foreign flare and talent to enhance the team. We could just be building something in more in keeping with the traditional united sides of old. Perhaps too early to get excited, but it feels we are moving in the right direction.

18 Aug 2019 16:15:26
Graeme Souness on James Maddison: ‘I love that. When a player has a swagger and thinks that he’s the best’.

Interesting quotes.

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18 Aug 2019 08:23:26
Anyone else surprised that Darmians still here?

Ed's are there any clubs interested in signing him before the European transfer window closes?

{Ed025's Note - not that im aware of at this time mate..

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18 Aug 2019 10:21:10
He has played maybe 15 times in 3 years. It would need to be a dedicated scout to turn up for his games to write a scout report for a side interested in signing him.

18 Aug 2019 17:42:51
Last year of his contract, interested clubs are likely to wait until they can sign him for free unless they can get him in the cheap.

 


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