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03 Dec 2020 13:20:15
It's so painful to see Ole's legendary status as a player eroded by his quite frankly inept management decisions. Like many no doubt I've tried to be patient, he deserved that. On the rare occasions I've posted I argued for him against other posters over recent years. However, this is now impossible to justify.

On the plus side Ole has the perfect attitude to be a United manager. There's no doubting his love of the club, no doubting his expectations of what it means to be a United player, his understanding of the youth system, expectations of style of play, and the need to win. He is the best manager we have had in all of these respects since Sir Alex stepped down.

However, his tactical acumen, his reluctance to drop the undroppables when necessary (Fred, Maguire and Martial spring to mind), his passive body language on the touchline (when he finally abandons the monitor in the dugout), his constant fiddling with the line-up, formations and attacking intent are ball-bustlingly irritating and are the reason why at best he should be a coach for the centre forwards and no more.

There are no excuses. While debates over Pogba, Martial and others rage, to my mind this squad is no worse than the squad Sir Alex won his final title with. Yes it is different. Different strengths and weaknesses. Definitely different egos. To my mind - overall - it is arguably better, and there would be no doubt that back in the day Sir Alex would have won the league with this group of players. There can also be no doubt that Sir Alex the manager would have challenged Liverpool last season with this group of players. The gap would certainly have been much much smaller than it was. However, it is wholeheartedly unfair to compare Ole to Sir Alex. Yet expectations remain, benchmarks have been set, and every United manager will be compared to them.

So, the club finds itself in that position, yet again, where it is in a holding-sacking-pattern. Ever defeat will bring the speculation. I really wish Ole could magically prevent this from being necessary, but I don't see it. It will not take many defeats for that to be necessary. There is no doubting that if this does happen, that it will be the saddest sacking ever at United. I felt for Big Ron back in the day, he should have won the league with Robbo, McGrath Whiteside, Hughes and the gang. But Ole, is Ole. He was part of the happiest footballing moment of my life. He won it. He was loyal. Would start or sit on the bench. Rarely created a fuss. Loved the shirt. Still does. However, football clubs cannot be run on sentiment. It's clear to see that some players (Bruno last night) are becoming frustrated with Ole. He can also be thankful that the stadiums are empty. I'm not convinced that is making a bigger difference to United than other clubs, and some of the recent performances would have drawn brutal boos from the crowd.

So, if this say day does come along, my choice for manager would be Marcelo Bielsa. The guy likes a challenge. There's very few bigger at the moment. I'd like to think that there would be a role upstairs for Ole. I think he has a vision that could drive the philosophy and identity of the team and club, I just don't think he can convert that in to performances and results in the pitch.

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03 Dec 2020 14:30:16
This squad is a long way away from the one Sir ALex won our last title with.

That team had serial winners like Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney and RVP. All 8 of them in their current state would still probably get a game for us.

03 Dec 2020 14:53:57
All past their best. Careers coming to an end. Ferdinand lost his legs. Scholes and Giggs a shadow of themselves. This is a much younger squad. more energy. Under the guide guidance a more dynamic side.

03 Dec 2020 15:15:47
Timbo, Experience is a vital and often undervalued quality.

Who's the better striker Martial or Cavani?

Who's the better CDM McTominay or Matic?

Proven quality and knowhow is what carries a team. That ability to know when to hold and when to push, which decisions to make in key pressure situations.

I'm a big advocate of youth, yet even our fading greats with loads of top level experience have an edge over our current squad.

03 Dec 2020 16:01:57
That's a completely different context to my point. You're not factoring in how the performances of any player at any stage of their career are influenced by Ole and Sir Alex respectively, which was my original point.

03 Dec 2020 17:35:25
This is what you said:

" While debates over Pogba, Martial and others rage, to my mind this squad is no worse than the squad Sir Alex won his final title with. Yes it is different. Different strengths and weaknesses. Definitely different egos. To my mind - overall - it is arguably better, and there would be no doubt that back in the day Sir Alex would have won the league with this group of players. "

I disagree, Sir Alex lost the league with better groups of players than our current squad. You are forgetting context of who you are up against.

If we are to win the league then we need at least half a dozen players that would get into our rivals current teams.

Which United players would get into either Man City or Liverpool's first 11?

DDG has arguably been our best player over the past 5 years, but I think there would be a serious debate that both Ederson and Alisson are currently better keepers.

We have a very poor defence so none of our defenders would get near starting for either City or Liverpool.

Up front Salah, Mane and Firmino for Liverpool and Aguero, Sterling and Mahrez are better players than Martial, Rashford and Cavani.

I would argue that it is in midfield where we are on paper strongest, yet would any of Matic, Pogba, Fred, McTominay or Donny start for either Liverpool or Man City?

Bruno would start for Liverpool I think, while now David Silva has departed City he would probably start for them. However, I don't think he would have split up the KDB/ Silva midfield axis that broke records for City two seasons ago.

Sir Alex was a fantastic manager, one of the best ever, but there is little chance of him winning the league if there are two teams that have 10 out of 11 players better than any he could use.

While I agree that on paper we have an improving squad, it is one with very little experience in it. Only DDG, Jones and Matic have won the EPL in our current squad. Henderson is pushing DDG who's form is declining, Jones is expected to be jettisoned if we can find someone daft enough to take on his wages, while Matic is 32 and can't play every week.

I'm not as convinced as everyone else that any other manager would have us challenging for the title. The best players in our squad are players with "potential" but as yet aren't top players.

Last night wasn't a huge tactical blunder, we set up well, the contest was fairly even, the only mistake Ole really made was not taking off Fred at half time.

What cost us last night was individual errors in defence and poor finishing when presented with an opportunity. No manager can stop their players making defensive errors, nor can they score for their forwards. The players need to shoulder the majority of the blame for last night.

While Ole might not be the right man long term, you can't use last night as an example of why. Use the Spurs game, if you want where we were out thought, out fought and made to look like boys vs men.

03 Dec 2020 23:08:48
Yes you can shappy. Ole cost us that match not the players. Write all the crap you like but it won't change anybodies opinion.

04 Dec 2020 07:35:39
What cost us last night was a very silly managerial error putting us down to 10 men.

Come on shappy. If that had been a previous manager, your post would probably have been longer to point that out.

04 Dec 2020 08:25:32
While I agree in hindsight it would have been best to sub Fred off at half time.

The reality is that Fred didn't make a single foul in the second half. Not one. The only reason we ended the match with 10 men was because the referee made a bad mistake by booking a player who clearly won the ball cleanly and fairly in a safe and law abiding way.
Fred won the ball, it wasn't a tackle from behind, it wasn't reckless or out of control. There is no reason within the laws of the game for Fred to have been booked for that tackle. It was plainly and obviously a refereeing mistake, not a managerial one.

If you are going to blame the manager for a mistake made by the referee then its clear you are just biased against the manager and are plainly looking for reasons to jump on him.

04 Dec 2020 09:15:55
Shappy, fred put his head to another player, was running around like a headless chicken, it was staring everyone right in the face. He put a massive X on his back. He was asking to sent off no matter what you think of the tackle that did eventually see him get his marching orders.

Everyone I have spoken to since the game have said it was a huge mistake. All on live chat were unanimously saying that Fred had to be taken off before it cost us. And it did.

It's a strange argument to be putting yourself on the line for. Ole messed it up, game lost, move on.

04 Dec 2020 09:16:55
Ken,

PSG's first goal, Mbappe runs at the defence, Maguire is picking up Kean and Telles is picking up Neymar. Both men lose their man and both were free to have a clean shot at goal. Kean obviously choosing to leave it to Neymar.

So was that the managers fault or did defender make an individual error to allow their man to pull off of them?

PSG's second goal, poor headed clearance out to the middle of the penalty area, ball played back in to the back post, both McTominay and Maguire had moved out and stopped marking their man. Leaving Marquinhos and another PSG player unmarked and ready to tap home. This one happened quickly, so I feel a little more for them. Yet the headed clearance was poor, and both United men had stopped marking their man before the ball was fully cleared.
Again that is defensive error, not poor set up. It's not like our management had decided that Telles should mark their biggest aerial threat and he was obviously beaten in the air.
It was simple ball watching and not defending you man. A players mistake.

The third goal, was excellent skill by Neymar initially to break free and set up the counter. Yet when the ball was played back to Neymar he was free in the area to tap home. Why? Well Maguire picked him up, then got caught ball watching and chased back to his goal line rather than mark his man, leaving Neymar free to tap home. Again, this was Maguire for the third time in this match losing his man, and the second time his man tapped in an easy goal.
That is Maguire's mistake not the managers.

While Martial missed two almost sitters which would have put us 3-1 up before Fred's red card. While Bruno might also have made more of his headed attempt in the last 10 minutes. Was it the managers fault that Martial missed fairly straightforward chances? Is the manager supposed to put the ball on the net for the players now as well?

Yes, Ole made a mistake in not taking Fred of at half time. Yet had Telles and Maguire not made individual errors then PSG wouldn't have scored. While had Martial scored his chances we would have been 2 goals clear.

04 Dec 2020 10:30:15
Shappy you're allowed your own opinion. So you're suggesting Sir Alex would not do any better than Ole currently is?

04 Dec 2020 11:24:14
Timbo, He probably would, but i don't think he would have finished any higher than 3rd last season due to two teams having significantly better squads than us. I think the gap between us and the top would have been smaller, but I don't look at this squad and see any world class players bar maybe Bruno.

04 Dec 2020 13:13:59
I think ole legendary status gets blown out of proportion on here to be honest .

04 Dec 2020 13:23:04
jred,

I do agree, I haven't really seen anybody suggest he needs more time because he scored a goal in 99 but I see that as a counter argument over and over again. He clearly 'gets' the club more than the last 2 managers and is trying to do the right things, give youth a chance, play quick, attacking football, just not sure he is capable tactically of getting it right often enough for us to be where we want to be. He isn't dreadful though and could learn, just not sure he should be learning whilst in the job and if he is going to learn it needs to be fast as many have turned against him.

03 Dec 2020 00:40:06
Most say Rashford was out best player i say he was the most selfish player. The only time he passed the ball is on either side of the pitch outside the box.

When Rashford gets the ball and is facing the goal you can bet your house! he will run into the box surrounded by 2players with team mates free and still try shoot.

If you don't believe me watch the next game if Martial or EC score he will be overcome by greediness and forget to pass it.

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03 Dec 2020 07:43:19
Have been saying this for a long time myself. You could see the smug look on his face. He will shoot from his home if he got a chance but will not look for a player in a better position. How many times has it been that he hasn't crossed the ball and rather played it backwards and inside just because he isn't in the box receiving it.

03 Dec 2020 15:21:23
Didn’t he make the pass for Martial that everyone is saying he should have put away last night? On a plate for him the greedy b****d.

04 Dec 2020 07:36:27
Shan, he is quality, makes plenty of mistakes but overall he is superb.

02 Dec 2020 22:59:40
Failure to qualify for the last 16 from a position of strength should be the straw that breaks the camel back. Let's see if Ole has another stay of execution. I for one want us to qualify. The board definitely wants us to qualify to because it means more money in these C.V. times. We live in hope.

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03 Dec 2020 15:21:55
I would imagine every single united fan wants us to qualify, if you didn’t then you aren’t really a fan.

01 Dec 2020 08:15:47
Please lord someone scrap VAR. Again terrible decisions, time consuming, can't celebrate a goal cz of it, what is offside, what is handball, whose really in charge the ref or VAR, players diving or going down at slightest touch, can't tackle or its a foul, can't celebrate too much or your booked, overly saturated with Live games, much rather 5 3pm kick offs, make them live if you must and let customers decide. I've literally stuck to watching United and Wales only the season more or less, way too much all told and rapidly losing interest in the game while it's like this.

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02 Dec 2020 09:26:58
WrD. Its a head wrecker.

30 Nov 2020 22:33:16
Just on our quest for right sided winger, again on Sunday, Rashford kept cutting inside, but into a crowd of players trying to beat them all and get a shot away, really think a few games on the right, with Martial in the left and Cavani up top would give good balance and pose a real threat.

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01 Dec 2020 00:31:54
if you beleive the rags it is affecting us as well. according to them we are thinking of getting johnny evans back seriously.

01 Dec 2020 06:15:53
Cavani is 33 and therefore must be carefully managed.
For now Greenwood is a better option at right. He just needs few more games to get his sharpness back.

30 Nov 2020 22:23:40
Said it a few weeks back, the league is wide open and l think so is the champions league, this C.V. is having a massive effect all over Europe. Think we can purchase again January as clubs are under serious financial pressure.

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24 Nov 2020 19:20:57
Wow what a team that is. Really attacking lineup. Hoping to see a few goals tonight with the players we have on the pitch.

Great to see Martial, Rashford and Cavani on the pitch together, and with Bruno and VDB behind them we should see plenty of possession and movement.

Can't wait to see fans back on CL nights they really are special.

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25 Nov 2020 06:53:16
Like watching Jekyll and Hyde at times out there Wazza. Played some beautiful football at times and could've easily been punished down the other end, luckily, Istanbul are a poor enough side.

That being side, refreshing to see that forward line up. Particularly having DVB in at CM, head and shoulders above any other option we have. Will surely start at the weekend but wouldn't put anything passed Ole.

25 Nov 2020 08:18:10
I would be surprised if DVB starts at Southampton he done ok last night had a decent game but we looked open in the cm area at times .
I think ole might look to shore that area up, Southampton are playing some decent stuff and have been for a while .

25 Nov 2020 11:06:00
They looked toothless without ings wolves should have beaten them well at the wkend.
They work harder than most teams so that's where we need to compete. We have better players than them so if we compete and win the battle we should come out on top. If dvb doesn't play if be surprised. Only crazy people cut off their own nose to spite their face. i'd rather see fred rested and keep him high energy and fresh for psg.
Bruno benifits from vdb that was evident again last night. Moves the ball quicker. When you get 2 midfielders like scholes and hargreaves explaining why he should be playing and are like most of us unfounded as to why he has not been playing it tells a story. Rotating has to be done of course. Managers live and die by those calls.

25 Nov 2020 12:22:25
Agree Ken, I have been critical of Bruno after our last two Prem games, particularly against West Brom I thought he was very poor, but he looks a much better player with more intelligent players around him. He plays better with Mata and with VDB.

Would like to see McTominay come in for Fred. Fred’s passing again last night was very scary. Twice he played a crossfield pass that hit an opposing player. We won’t get away with sloppy passing against better sides.

If last night proved anything it’s that attack is our best form of defence.

25 Nov 2020 19:30:24
I can't belive i'm going to say this but I think some people are getting carried away with last nights performance 😳.
On bruno he has been good for a while I thought he was excellent last season as well, before we had even signed DVB .

23 Nov 2020 21:47:52
No goal in open play at OT in the league for 2 months. Hashtag OleIn.

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24 Nov 2020 10:13:03
Nothing like a little sensationalisation😂

First off you posted this on the 23rd of November, our last open play LEAGUE goal at Old Trafford came on the 26th of September in the 3-2 win against Brighton. So not quite two months if I'm being pedantic.

Secondly, you've purposefully ignored the other more recent open play goals scored at Old Trafford such as the 4 we scored in the 5-0 win against Leipzig.

Thirdly, you ignored context, such as the 2 week international break, we have just had AND the previous international break after the Spurs game. So for 4 of your 9 weeks there wasn't even league football being played.
While we played Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal in the other 3 of the four games we have played in the league since that goal against Brighton.

Fourthly, if teams foul our players in the box rather than let us get off shots how is that our players fault? You get a penalty ONLY because you were fouled to deny a goal scoring opportunity. Who's to say if our players were fouled that they weren't going to score a goal from that chance on open play.

While I respect your opinion to feel like Ole isn't the right man for the job, this sort of post is just daft.

24 Nov 2020 17:19:18
Hence why I mentioned league shappy, and by the next LEAGUE game it will have been OVER 2 months :) x.

24 Nov 2020 18:46:22
Well we scored no league goals between mid May and mid August (THREE whole months) every single year bar this year. Ole must be a genius #Olein 😂.

24 Nov 2020 22:19:52
Pretty sure we played away against Brighton shappy and our last league goal from open play at old Trafford was actually vdb against palace.

24 Nov 2020 22:24:35
You have written lot of daft posts shappy.

25 Nov 2020 12:32:54
Close to a monopoly rover 😂😂 but lots of us throw in the odd daft one.

 


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