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01 Nov 2024 20:57:59
Let's hope we can all get behind the new guy, I feel a shaky start is coming but we will finally get a style of play even if it's not the typical united way.
I feel we've kissed a few frogs and now the time for the Prince. 2 years we will be challenging for big trophies.
I'm sure a lot for but I like the 3-4-3 formation and it should have been trialed before.
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02 Nov 2024 00:14:27
Danny as long as I've been a fan I've never seen it at united bar a couple if tunes in 50 odd years.
I'm really looking forward to it.
I'm not necessarily sure we will see it from day one. It remains to be seen how he will approach it. Either way I'm really optimistic that in 18 months time we will see a very different united than the ones we endured for the last few years and that can only be a good thing.
Just delighted and excited to see a different approach and can't sit to see how it develops.
It will take some time no doubt about it I think any player that doesn't get on board fully between now and the end of the season will be gone in the summer regardless of who they are. There is also a few that could leave in Jan if there is a chance of getting one or 2 in.
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02 Nov 2024 09:03:49
Danny
The idea of a fresh look and system pleases me immensely.
Since Fergie retired, the modern game has evolved into one that demands athleticism and positional versatility, thus bringing a firm end to the rigid structure of 4-4-2. Over the years we've seen the fluidity of 4-3-3s, 4-2-3-1s, 3-5-2s and 3-4-2-1s becoming interchangeable during 90min periods, but we only had a manager capable of that level of tactical flexibility in Jose.
We have become a club that lacks syntony in respect to the level we fans believe we should be at - somewhat stale and uninspiring, simply because the boardroom objective played a wholly financial tune.
Who knows, maybe the 3-4-2-1/ 3-5-2 approach could unlock enough to bring a significant upturn with what we have, but we'll at least see the wheat and the chaff show what they are capable of.
There is a subconscious bias amongst our fanbase towards the more traditional formations because our glory years all came from a 4-4-2 approach, but the game has evolved exponentially since and we've allowed it to pass us by - now we can get up to speed.
When ten Hag arrived, I reasoned the need for optimism within my mind because I felt we needed to allow him time. Yeah, he won two cups - that's great, but in the era where financial dominance is such a primary factor, they don't mean much. Obviously, the history books see cup wins as achievements, but if they are expected to squarely mitigate poor final league positions then that's, frankly, a Portsmouth mindset - small club mentality.
CL is where it's at and that should be the aim - getting back into the squabble for Top 4 on a consistent basis.
The arrival of Amorim has me more naturally optimistic - a tactically astute coach with a genuine feel for elite talent and mentality of youth prospects. I know there had been talk of Xavi, Nagelsmann, Tuchel, Zidane, Allegri, Inzaghi, Frank, Potter and 😱 Southgate, but I believe that Amorim has all the tools to become a far better coach than all of them. I know that's a bold statement, but I'm feeling properly optimistic about this guy.
A la Zamora - When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's Amorim. I think we might all love what this guy gives us fans.
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01 Nov 2024 11:42:53
Hi Ed,
Random question but can players have contracts which state they have to play a certain number of games? And what would happen if that player is dropped and not played?
Thanks.
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{Ed002's Note - No but sometimes they are given verbal commitments.}
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01 Nov 2024 13:25:35
Thanks ed!
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01 Nov 2024 13:25:35
Thanks ed!
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31 Oct 2024 21:12:03
Ed002, with Amorim now expected to be confirmed as the new manager, does the club now have a process in place with the new management/ sporting director that the targets for January won't change or will Amorim have some input?
Thanks.
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{Ed002's Note - He will have some input but it will not be his decision entirely.}
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31 Oct 2024 22:07:42
Can you see it being a busy January?
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{Ed002's Note - It will depend on departures to some extent.}
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01 Nov 2024 11:01:51
Hi ed002
Given the cost of ETH and his coaching staff departure and Amorim and his coaching staff coming in, In your opinion are we financially even able to spend money in jan.
I can't see departures helping our finances and most will likely cost us to move on but could be very wrong.
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{Ed002's Note - Yes.}
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02 Nov 2024 06:50:43
Thanks ed002. We are playing your team today, wish us some luck:)
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31 Oct 2024 11:06:31
It'll be very interesting to see how thing develop under our new manager. I've said already that I think for the most part this squad is well suited to him.
I think most of the signings we made over the summer also oddly suit his style of play very well for the most part.
Over the summer the signing of BOTH Yoro and MdL had some of us scratching our heads. Sure we have a lot of CB's out of contract next summer, so signing two could be seen as planning ahead for that. Yet in the meantime how do we ensure both of them get the game time they need along with Martinez. I said at the time maybe playing a back three with all three of them might be a way to both improve our defensive weaknesses while also giving game time to Yoro who has great potential but will only realise it by playing and developing.
Ugarte supposedly was a club signing more than an EtH signing. Obviously that is just a rumour but looking at the profile of player EtH has looked to sign (FdJ) and who he has played in midfield (Eriksen) that does seem to be a very different type of player to Ugarte. While the signing of Casemiro was also supposedly more a club signing than a managers signing. So there is previous of this happening.
Mazraoui is another who looks well suited to playing either as a wingback or even the RCB role (look out for Amorim converting fullbacks into wide CB's) .
Only Zirkzee of the summer signings looks unsuited to a typical Amorim team. Yet given the cost of signing forward players and the limited budget, he was a shrewd signing, especially as he offers something completely different and has shown himself to be both positionally and tactically flexible in the past.
You could almost say that the signings of Yoro, MdL and Ugarte at least all look tailor made for Ruben Amorim. Was he a candidate the club have been considering since before the summer? Possibly.
However, the glaring hole is at LWB. Even if fit I'm not convinced either Shaw or Malacia are well suited to the wingback role. I have a suspicion that Shaw might find more game time at LCB under Amorim than at LWB. I've also said previously that long term I think that Shaw might be best suited to adapting his game and moving to CB as his body has always let him down and a move to a less physically demanding position than fullback might be needed to prolong his career.
Amorim has converted wingers into wingbacks before, and maybe Antony could be tried there in a game or two. But judging by his demeanour when EtH played him there for half a game I think Amorim will have to do a number on Antony to charm him to take up a new position. Maybe Harry Amass could be given a few games, Amorim has given plenty of young players their debuts at Sporting and he certainly isn't adverse to giving youth a chance.
Failing that maybe the club will need to look towards the January transfer window to make a signing in this position. The most obvious solution could be activating the buy-back clause in the deal that took Alvaro Fernandez to Benfica in the summer. While many fans might be frustrated with re-signing a player 6 months after selling him. He has absolutely exploded in Portugal this season. He knows the club and the city, so wouldn't have trouble settling in halfway through the season. While he would be available to us cheaper than most equally talented alternatives.
Other options I think would be good include Rayan Ait-Nouri from Wolves, Antonee Robinson of Fulham or Alfie Doughty from Luton. All players who have proven themselves in the EPL, which is important when signing a player in January as they have to hit the ground running and don't have time to acclimatise.
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31 Oct 2024 20:16:14
The only position I want to see Anthony in is seat 4B on flight out of Manchester.
Sadly Shaw is a spent force. Move on from him.
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01 Nov 2024 10:59:11
Zirkzee a shrewd signing? Have to disagree on that, he’s way below average and shouldn’t be anywhere near the team.
No guarantee that the new boss will continue with his 3 at the back system.
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30 Oct 2024 21:21:14
I can see Xavi going to City now to replace Pep, same style of football easy transition for their players.
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{Ed002's Note - Certainly not their plan.}
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31 Oct 2024 07:59:45
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31 Oct 2024 10:39:49
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30 Oct 2024 19:26:18
Just imagine if City decide to go for Amorim seeing as nothing as sealed yet and they already have Vaina coming in and obv have a much better squad!
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{Ed002's Note - They are not going to do that now. They need an answer from Gaurdiola else will go for their preferred option.}
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30 Oct 2024 19:37:02
Seems all sorted, just compensation on the 30day notice period and the three other coaches to agree.
Sky reporter saying £4.2million and Antony to get it completed,
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30 Oct 2024 23:25:58
Surely we would have to pay a lot more for someone to take Antony.
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30 Oct 2024 06:06:25
Things beginning to unravel as soon as EtH stepped out. Many within the club feel that EtH took the Sancho situation too far. No wonder Rashford's demeanor hasn't been the same since. Same situation with Ronaldo, EtH took it too far. Its tough to get along with someone who really doesn't know how much is enough and when to stop. Players being made to train too much resulting in them being tired on match days and perhaps the reason for so many injuries.
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30 Oct 2024 07:51:17
Poor footballers being expected to hold high standards of behaviour, attitude and effort ☹️. He made mistakes in his time as manager but shipping out Ronaldo, De Gea and Sancho was not one of them and only the massive ETH out brigade would argue differently. All 3 have gone on to show their true characters which is a real shame because two of them should be held with a lot higher regard as United players. Sadly Rashford is going in the same direction as them. I really hope Amorim is strong with the players and the club back and support him. Don’t know a great deal about him but lots of articles suggest he will be. Saw a story about him stopping training and sending the ex Leicester player Slilami? back in the changing rooms and home because he wasn’t working hard enough and getting involved enough during the session. 3 months later he was sold. Be happy to see a bit of that on the run up to the January transfer window.
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30 Oct 2024 07:53:26
Personally I don't think he took any of the discipline too far. This group of players have lacked discipline for far too long, of course they weren't happy about it when someone started to instill some discipline.
Yet the fact remains that without it you can't win anything. While with EtH and his more disciplined approach we won two cups, the first thing we had won in 6 years. In fact the last thing we won was under Jose, another coach who felt the need to instill discipline 🤷🏻♂️ go figure.
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30 Oct 2024 08:46:38
Shappy you are one of a kind truly. You argued the exact opposite when defending Ole and his arm around the shoulder tactics. What is it?
Ports, you do realize you are speaking of a player who has played for the biggest clubs in the world and has won the lot and nobody has ever questioned his descipline or attitude. EtH would be the only person who would have ever questioned Ronaldo when he isn't good enough to clean toilets at Ronaldo's home. As for de gea just because you support eth, you are degrading one of the best servants of the club over the past decade. De gea was nothing short of sensational for United. People or players questioning the idiot's methods are being labelled as indisciplined.
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30 Oct 2024 09:38:50
Sorry but when did ETH question Ronaldo or DeGea UA?
Im confused, but were the club and ETH right when moving on Ronaldo and DeGea?
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30 Oct 2024 11:20:11
DDG, Ronaldo, sancho all had to go. Right thing for the club.
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30 Oct 2024 12:11:10
UA, do you understand the difference between discipline and support?
Discipline is about consistency and taking responsibility for your actions.
Players being asked to train hard, give it 100%, take responsibility for their actions both on and off the pitch is about instilling discipline.
We have too many players who coast in training, who shirk responsibility, hide on the pitch and don't do what is needed to be a top professional.
Fining and dropping players for being late, or putting on extra training for players who lack the desire was needed.
Jose did these things and I had no qualms over that. He also publicly shamed players, and oversaw and even instigated the creation of a negative atmosphere around the club and the dressing room that no doubt left the players feeling uncared for and unappreciated.
When Ole was hired the players needed someone who'd put an arm around them and lift them up. Make them feel positive again as it's very difficult to give your all when you feel down.
However, like everything in life it's about balance. Ole ultimately went too far the other way and lacked the discipline needed. Which is ultimately why he failed.
Players need both, they need their to be consequences for their actions, and for the team to be a tightly run ship with high expectations. While they also need to be supported and made to feel they can be successful.
Maybe that is where EtH failed, he got the discipline spot on, but did he have the personality to connect with his players and create the right feeling around the team.
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30 Oct 2024 19:01:21
I seem to remember when Ten Hag first turned up, we were all quite happy that someone with a no nonsense approach to discipline had been hired to sort out the latest set of deadwood.
Well turns out the latest group of deadwood won and we move to Round 6 of players v manager.
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29 Oct 2024 17:13:27
Well, Sporting have released a statement confirming we have approached them about appointing Amorim as manager/ coach. We have confirmed our willingness to pay his release clause of 10m euros.
The expectation is that he will be taking charge for the game on Sunday against Chelsea.
Whatever your view on the credibility Romano has, once he gives his 'here we go' it usually comes about and he has also made such a statement.
Seemingly he has been told the budget he will get will not be significant, so will be down to some good coaching!
Welcome to MUFC Ruben, best of luck, you will probably need a smidgeon of it over coming times.
Whenever Napoleon Bonaparte was about to appoint a new General the question he always asked was, don't tell me how good a soldier he is but ''is he lucky'' never underestimate it.
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29 Oct 2024 18:41:20
IWOTB. the Napoleon analogy.
Perfect for the time and the situation.
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30 Oct 2024 00:19:54
As. Gary Player pointed out, The harder I work. The luckier I get.
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30 Oct 2024 02:42:38
Don't work for my golf!
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30 Oct 2024 06:00:54
Keefy
Its an age thing when it comes to golf:)
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29 Oct 2024 14:54:45
Luke shaw has suffered a setback on his return from injury. wow didn't see that one coming! What a disaster. Lb has to be a high priority moving forward. Hopefully we get to see more of amass.
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29 Oct 2024 15:24:13
Hes one for me that we need to get fit and move on! Decent player on his day massively over paid.
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30 Oct 2024 07:55:36
The year is 2047, and the news is Luke Shaw will soon be back from injury.
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29 Oct 2024 10:53:02
Looks like a bit to go to secure the services of Amorim.
A very interesting appointment if we can get him.
A totally different playing shape and style. It may make the transition a little easier as the changes will require real focus.
I'm assuming he will look to implement his preferred 3 at the back.
The same glaring miss at lwb will be something he had to deal with and find a temp solution for.
Hopefully having him here this season will allow him to get a really good feel for he he wants to move on and bring in for next season.
I would not be expecting an essay start for him he will be in a very steep learning curve. I can't wait to see how he shakes things up.
Fingers crossed all goes smoothly and that we can get the deal over the line.
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29 Oct 2024 15:10:38
Can't wait for when you give up on him ken 😂.
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29 Oct 2024 15:47:59
Like you did ole and lvg you mean.
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29 Oct 2024 15:55:49
I wonder if we can get to Christmas without the usual suspects saying “he wasn’t my first choice…. ” 😂.
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29 Oct 2024 16:15:58
Clearly he been promised lots, because he got to move on some crap and get some half decent players in, because out of 500 million what we got 1 or 2 decent players to thank ETh for!
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29 Oct 2024 16:38:21
Taketime
Nothing like fans who slag our own players even though all clamor for them before we sign them like teenage girls and more and more is wanted.
Onana, Martinez, De ligt, Mazroui, Yoro, Rasmus have all been good signings. Zirksee is going through growing pains in the pl in a terrible environment around united.
Only player I would say has been a bust is Antony given his price tag and Mount because he can't shake injuries. Bet you all will be here next year this time but Antony and that's even debatable.
I am waiting for the melt downs when people's fav player is not starting or being used as an occasional sub lol.
We have so many experienced scouts and resident managers in this chat.
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29 Oct 2024 16:57:50
Ahmad 😂. It will be interesting.
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29 Oct 2024 16:59:59
Ooopss looks like someone is not happy that the club has sacked EtH and hopefully moving in the right direction now. Sounding cold their Ahmad.
Several of the "experienced scouts and resident managers" would have sacked EtH long time ago as they could see he wasnt good enough for United but the inexperienced ones kept rooting for him and just lived in denial.
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29 Oct 2024 18:11:58
UA,
I will back Amorim and tbh happy its not rvn till end of the season as that was worrying. pretty certain some will turn on Amorim as they have with pretty much every manager we have had.
ETH is gone and nothing left to say. Looking forward to seeing Amorim take charge. I think its fair to say the guy has never worked with these players, being thrown in to the toughest job in football in a very difficult league and under a microscope on everything so hope people cut him some slack.
So now why not turn our attention to slagging Players, which seems like the next thing to do. Some have hardly played a handful of games. Its a movie I have seen before.
I just trust the people hired to do a job from scouts, managers and leadership. They don't get everything right but are a lot more knowledgeable and experienced.
We seem to live in a constant state of grievance and anger.
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29 Oct 2024 19:00:49
Ua the Ed has it right on the banter page read down on it.
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29 Oct 2024 19:10:21
Ahmed, you come up with some beauties, how on earth do you know Yoro is good signing, Martinez gone backwards, Rasmus can’t hit a barn door, he got 1 in 10 for his previous club in the league, De ligt looks far too slow for EPL Mazroui been ok against average teams looked awful against better players so jury still out the only one who looked better this season and let’s face it he was poor last is Onana. Zirkee nowhere near standard required, Eric even turned europes highest goal scoring midfielder into WHaT? He never scores now.
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{Ed002's Note - He is simply trolling the site. He needs to be ignored.}
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29 Oct 2024 19:15:44
ahmad
Deep down were all armchair managers. With opinions that outweigh our knowledge. But we all want what's best for the club.
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30 Oct 2024 00:05:59
Takestime constantly trolls with whichever account he uses, nothing positive to say even in a time of change, has already decided it’s going to be crap.
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30 Oct 2024 09:44:11
Touche ken 😉.
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30 Oct 2024 11:11:55
Yes angel. You are happy to slag me off for the same things you have done yourself.
It's OK to dislike a manager. What's not OK is having double standards to the level you have been going on about for months. I've not been any harsher on eth than you were the other 2 but you try to come across like you've not acted in the same way previously.
You convinced yourself that eth was something he wasn't that he would achieve things at united he was never capable of. But you were wrong. It's OK to be wrong particularly when you are not a subject matter expert. But slagging someone off for months for acting the exact same way you did to previous managers is a dumb move imo and says more about you than me.
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