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05 Dec 2019 07:20:04
Are we seeing Rashford finally start to fulfil his potential? His best League return was 10 goals last year and he is already on 9 before the halfway point this year. His form for England has been impressive and he is on a hot scoring steak. He has big cojonas, never hides from taking a penalty and remains cool even when there is a huge delay.

I love him but accept that he has been frustrating, sometimes he looks like his head has dropped but the last few months he has been well up for it. Last night he led the team and could have had a couple more goals, if he can consistently keep at the level then we have some player on our hands. Bear in mind his hot run coincides with us struggling in midfield, imagine what he will do when we add some real creativity to the team.

The debate will continue as to whether he is a CF or a wide player, for me he is a forward who can play anywhere across the line.

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05 Dec 2019 07:53:48
He is like a Rooney, only a lot fitter. He scores in bursts and will then frustrate for a few. Scores some worldies and then miss some that my 95 year old granny would happily convert.

05 Dec 2019 08:34:31
With Rashford, he's more of a confidence player and is a joy to watch when he gets going. However the biggest flaw in his game is his decision making, many a times gets into promising positions and just messes it up. At times, tries to do too much and looks foolish trying to shoot from longer distances and is way off target.

He needs to improvise his decision making, shot selection and be instinctive in front of goal. Also, with his pace he just needs to anticipate more and make those runs inside the box when crosses come in. Still needs to learn and improve a lot to become a lethal forward.

05 Dec 2019 08:36:46
AJH, I think last night was exactly what Rashford did when he burst onto th scene. Relentlessly running at the opposition, cutting inside and causing havoc. No full back wants a player who is willing to run at them for 90 minutes. Somewhere along his development he thought he was Ronaldo. Trying flicks and tricks to beat a man, slowing the ball down like Best used to do and trying to beat a man once or twice.

He was devastating last night. There's nothing wrong with doing what comes natural. One of the best wingers of the last 30 years in Robben was awesome at honing his natural skills to be devastating. Everyone knew he was going to cut in and shoot, but you couldn't stop him doing it.

He'll never be a striker for me, he doesn't have that killer instinct. He needs to be let loose on the win and told to just roast whatever fuĺl back he's playing.

05 Dec 2019 08:41:58
He was excellent last night, he will continue it improve a prove the doubters wrong imo .
Really good vibe at the match last night .
Mctom made a difference, we need a bit of luck with injuries and a run of games with a settled squad .
It still looks a step in the right direction to me and s breath of fresh air, players and match going fans behind ole .
It was like watching the united of old, by that I mean spurs sat back played long had about one chance . They played like jose united.

05 Dec 2019 09:06:56
The first half was magnificient.
Rashford terrorized their defence and almost scored a worldie.
As few others have said previously, he is a young player who will develop his decision making as he grows older.

05 Dec 2019 10:03:32
All forwards are confidence players, its about having the mentality to drag yourself out of a bad run of form and low confidence back into form.

Rashford has shown real mental fortitude this season, from missing penalties, to media scrutiny and all that goes with it. To dragging himself back into form and going on a great goal scoring run. He never shirks responsibility and gladly steps up to take a penalty even when under pressure.

I think its clear he is at his best when playing from the left, it gives him space to run into, and in full flight he is terrifying. He doesn't do so well with his back to goal, and we need to appreciate that and look to bring in another striker to challenge Martial. Although in saying that Greenwood equipped himself excellently last night.

05 Dec 2019 10:06:25
Rashford has had a few spells like this in his very young career and then has spells where he isn't quite as good, like most young players really.

I mentioned the other week that sometimes Rashford is unplayable and was told that he is never and never will be unplayable, but I have seen him described as that last night in a few places. It was the best he has played in a while (and he has been good for 4-5 weeks now), hopefully he can kick on this time as his form often coincides with the team playing well.

9 games unbeaten at home, 1 defeat in 10 if you ignore the game the kids played, think are looking up.

05 Dec 2019 10:57:10
he is only 22 years old.


i think that the main issue, everyone thinks he should be doing more because he was in the team at a young age.

05 Dec 2019 14:44:06
Lot if doubters on rash but with his attitude you can't doubt him. Lots have his ability but very few have display his character and attitude. He physique is developing brilliantly as well statue wise he tended reminds me of Ronaldo at a simialar age.
He is not a natural striker or cf but he can play anywhere across the front 3 his technique is sound and his pace can cause any defender trouble. He is bit sloppy at times but that imoroves with experience.
Compare his attitude on the pitch with others and he comes out on top.

04 Dec 2019 11:59:12
So let's mix this up a little, everyone knows who thinks what about our current managerial situation. There we would be scraping the barrel to find something else to say about the rights and wrongs of sacking the current manager and how big an impact that would have on the clubs performances/ results.

So, regardless of what we think the club will do what they feel fit. I suspect it will lead at some point to the manager being sacked. It nearly always does.

So what next? let's start a debate on which managers supporters rate and who they think are realistic options.

For me the first thing we should consider is what sort of side do we want to see? Personally I like to see a highly energetic, youthful offensive side that have a we will outscore you mentality. Robust defending is great, and needed to win things, but I want to be entertained. I want a manager who works closely with young players, who shows trust in them and who develops them.

Firstly, I think we can rule out the big name managers, people like Ancelotti, Allegri and Tuchel etc are unlikely to join the club as we currently are. These sort of manager might be the ones we get after the next manager if he does well and lifts the club back into a position of challenging.

Pochettino and Nargelsmann might feature highly on some people lists. Great young managers, but both are to prove they are winners, for Nargelsmann that might be a little harsh given the short time he has been a manager and the clubs he has managed up until now. However, both are likely to have other options that will hold a greater appeal. With PSG for Pochettino, a club he has said he wants to manage likely to replace Tuchel at the end of the season unless he wins the UCL. While Bayern will likely have Nargelsmann near the top of their list and it being described by Julian as his dream club.

Erik ten Hag will likely feature on other lists, and he has been nothing short of magnificent with Ajax, tactically astute, develops young players as any manager at Ajax would be expected to do. However, he too is likely to have other offers.

For me the three I would strongly consider, and who I think would be attainable are:

Marcelo Gallardo, He tends to play either 4312 or 4222 in a possession based style that plays at a high tempo and looks to create overloads centrally to create quality goal scoring chances. With intense pressing. He has won 10 titles in Argentina with River Plate and has the winning CV, as well as the style. However, I'm not sure he speaks English and he has yet to prove himself in a more demanding league, with the best Argentine players often being bought by European sides weaken the quality of domestic football in Argentina.

The next option would be Paulo Fonseca, who tends to play a crazy high press in a 4231 formation. High tempo, exciting with a maximum of two touches when moving the ball forward. He has Smalling playing very well at AS Roma and previously had Fred playing very well at Shaktar. He has a proven track record in the Ukraine and Portugal with 9 trophies won. He is probably the biggest name in European terms at least of my picks.

My final pick is Marco Rose, much has been said about Nargelsmann in Germany, yet Marco Rose in his first season at Borussia Mönchengladbach has them top of the league a point ahead of Nargelsmann's Red Bull Leipzig. In his previous role at Red Bull Salzburg he won three titles in two years. He prefers to play a 4312 in a similar vein to Gallardo, high intensity, possession based central play looking to create high quality chances. He has however, shown he can get results in a stronger league as well as beating some top sides in European competition with RB Salzburg. Including Real Sociedad, Lazio and Borussia Dortmund to reach the Semi-finals of the Europa League. He also speaks English which would make his transition to the EPL much easier than Gallardo's would be.

So which managers do you rate, and who do you think the club could get when they inevitably need a new manager?

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04 Dec 2019 12:44:58
Quique Setien.

04 Dec 2019 12:51:28
For me it’s a no brainer. Pochettino is available, relatively low risk as he knows the league and will have us playing good football.
I can’t see why we would need to take the risk of Gallardo or Fonseca when a very good manager is available tomorrow.

04 Dec 2019 13:09:57
Rodgers, Simeone then Poch in that order but Warnock is available.

04 Dec 2019 13:28:30
I have concerns about Pochettino. He ticks plenty of boxes, plays good football and develops young players.

Yet, he has always cracked under pressure to win things. At United he wouldn't be walking into a team ready to win, but a team that's realistically a few years away from winning. That means Pochettino is unlikely to have a good chance of winning something and getting that monkey off his back until close to 10 years of EPL management. Add that to 2-3 years in Spain and suddenly you have a manager who has close to 15 years top level experience without winning anything.

Personally I think Pochettino needs to move to a club ready to win something right away and has a high likelihood of winning something so he can get that winning experience under his belt.

He also kicked off a year or so ago about not really being a manager but a head coach. He wanted more power and control at Spurs. He is unlikely to get that at United, so will he be happy with that?

I'm sure he would improve things in the short to medium term, but I don't see him being the guy who takes us back to winning titles as he has no relevant experience of winning titles.

04 Dec 2019 14:43:19
Poch would’ve probably won league titles at River Plate too though. He would likely have Roma and Mönchengladbach playing good football and would most probably win the league in Austria with the well funded Salzburg.
I don’t think United are in a position to take a risk on another manager with little experience in the PL or other top European league.

04 Dec 2019 19:44:22
2toms, Gallardo has achieved the kind of dominance few others have managed in Argentina in the past decade. Normally a side does well, then the European clubs descend and cherry pick their best players and other teams overtake them. Gallardo has been able on the whole to keep his player together and the ones he has lost he has replaced without even a blip. His success hasn't just been based in Argentina but he has won multiple inter-country tournaments while there.

What Fonseca has achieved with Shaktar eclipses what Pochettino has achieved so far in his career.

While Marco Rose is currently topping the Bundesliga and out playing most sides including RB Leipzig, Bourssia Dortmund and Bayern Munich all who operate on a much larger budget and have far better players. That is one of the best things about Rose, his ability to get players to play greater than the sum of their parts. I haven't seen a manager as good at elevating a group of players above their ability since Jurgen Klopp did just that at Dortmund.

As for taking a sure thing and EPL proven, so was David Moyes. Being successful in the EPL while not truly winning anything or challenging for anything. Pochettino is a better manager than Moyes, but just highlighting that what constitutes success at Spurs isn't the same thing as what is considered success at a club like Manchester United.

04 Dec 2019 22:40:12
Sorry mate, I can’t see the point in taking another risk. I’m not saying Pochettino would be the next coming but these names read like an article on Bleacher Report or Goal. They have had their success’ in their own right and I don’t doubt that Rose will probably manage one of Bayern or Dortmund in the future but they’re not what United need right now. These are the kind of managers the likes of Watford or Southampton pluck out of the blue. Some work, some go horrendously wrong.
Fonseca’s success at Shakhtar, in the Ukranian league is not that great when you consider the opposition teams. The coach before him won the league 8 times. Just shows how poor the league is.

05 Dec 2019 10:15:50
2toms, but has Pochettino proven himself in the EPL to the level we need? He has been unable to win anything even when he has had excellent chances to win.

Pochettino can be considered a risk if our aim is to win trophies.

Gallardo is being closely monitored by Barcelona and PSG. They won't wait for him to prove himself at a Southampton or an Espanyol.

Marco Rose will be under consideration by Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund. As he is proving himself at Borussia Mönchengladbach.

Fonseca is a closely consider target by many top clubs. Aslo you probably need to appreciate that the manager he replaced at Shakhtar was the greatest ever manager to manage in Ukrainian football. They were expected to flop once Mircea Lucescu left (the fifth coach to manage in 100 UCL games, behind Sir Alex, Ancelotti, Wenger and Mourinho) . Yet, under Fonseca they actually improved.

I would say hiring a manager who has never won anything, is a bigger risk than hiring one of the best up and coming managers in the world who have already won multiple titles.

03 Dec 2019 19:25:35
Haven't always been an ole out supporter, but with poch now available it is tempting. With the current squad of misfits and promising youngsters we now have a squad that actually resembles something similar to what Pochettino took over at spurs. He has a proven track record of developing young players and improving them. He also has a clear philosophy for how he wants to play football. He may well be the perfect man to take us out of this slump, while integrating and improving the younger players we have coming through.

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03 Dec 2019 21:12:57
Personally, I’d rather have Diego Simeone.

{Ed047's Note - let’s not forget Pochettino finishing 3rd in a two horse race either.

03 Dec 2019 22:42:48
You're right Ed. He still has that question mark on his CV when it comes to winning titles. But as for a man to handle the transition of a team from mid table mediocrity to a top four certainty. A man to put the building blocks of the future in place (kind of what everyone hoped OGS would do)

{Ed047's Note - Pochettino is definitely an odd one mate, Spurs looked everything you’d want from your team when at their best but everything you didn’t want when it came to the final hurdle.

But like you say if it was just for him to build the base of something good like he did at Spurs then what’s not to like.

It will be interesting to see if Mourinho can get that squad over the line.

03 Dec 2019 18:04:07
I know it's not United related, but what else can Lewandowski do to win the Balon Dor?

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03 Dec 2019 18:55:46
change his name.

03 Dec 2019 20:10:54
Or play in Spain.

03 Dec 2019 20:29:42
to true csf.

04 Dec 2019 10:59:25
Interesting topic CSF. I never really gave it much thought. Ed 001 any thoughts on this issue?

{Ed001's Note - he won't win unless Messi and Ronaldo spend a year out injured. Or he gets a social media following which dwarves theirs. Because that is the main key to winning - getting public popularity. He will never do that playing in Germany for a club that everyone bar Bayern fans detests there.}

04 Dec 2019 12:05:23
So it's all about getting the right PR team then.

{Ed001's Note - pretty much yes.}

03 Dec 2019 16:05:16
to sum up Manchester United at the minute is quite simple.
We have owners who only see us as a business and don't care about the football.
We have a CEO who's brilliant in marketing strategy but awful at football structure.
We have a failed ex cardiff manager in charge who has little tactical nouse or game management.
We have a failed ex hull manager as assistant, who is uninventive and naive.
We have inexperienced and unproven coaches who are short of experience and credibility.
We have a bunch of prima donnas in the squad who only show up on occasion and are more interested in their brand than playing football.

have I missed anything?

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03 Dec 2019 18:37:19
Toxic fans.

03 Dec 2019 19:02:16
Do u mean me? Or just the fans in general? I'm not calling 4 anyone's head just calling it how I see it at the minute.

03 Dec 2019 21:38:31
Not aimed at you norn. Just in general.

03 Dec 2019 21:57:25
Cheers. Yeah there are quite a few fans. Its the ones that are making a living off of the clubs misery that annoy me. (poor results equals more views)

04 Dec 2019 08:45:31
Where you toxic when you wanted jose fired shappy?

04 Dec 2019 09:56:34
Absolutely ken. I felt Jose wasn't the right man for the job, he didn't want the job and in the final 4 months he and the team were in a downward spiral.

That said, me constantly coming online to state that he should be removed from his position was toxic.

Think of it like this, how would you feel about either employees or people connected with your company constantly talking about the job you were doing and suggesting to many people that you should be sacked.

You would consider those people to be pretty toxic.

Where Jose was concerned I became a toxic fan. I hold my hands up, I was like that because I care about our club. But that doesn't make my actions acceptable.

02 Dec 2019 22:50:21
Imagine the scenes if Sancho, Haaland and Madison arrive in Jan.

**Wakes up**.

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03 Dec 2019 08:17:49
Sancho and maddison still have to prove themselves.

03 Dec 2019 09:11:58
Utd Road.
Atleast 2 signings costing huge money will arrive in January.

03 Dec 2019 09:47:51
the only way sancho, maddison and haaland will be at old trafford in january is if they get tickets for the museum tour in there christmas stockings.

03 Dec 2019 10:00:14
can't see usmaking any signings in january. the club will make all the right noises on the run up to the window opening, but then trot out the excuses when no1 comes in. let's be fai though, if we did sign in january they probably wouldn't be the required quality and they'd be massively overpriced. clubs will see us coming and fleece us accordingly.

03 Dec 2019 15:12:46
Imagine the scenes when none of them arrive.

03 Dec 2019 15:14:27
we won't make any signings.

03 Dec 2019 15:44:53
we will end up with peter crouch comming out of retierment. with ed telling ole to go route one till the summer.

02 Dec 2019 19:52:29
Don't think ole will be getting a good cup run to boost morale, that's as tough as it gets in the 3rd round. Although the new manager might have us firing by then 😉😂.

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03 Dec 2019 00:16:36
More like Ole will have the dead cat's bounce.

02 Dec 2019 15:36:41
Haven't posted much recently but still read every day. Ole was the wrong appointment as I and many said at the time. The club should of waited until the end of the season before giving anyone the job. He was woeful at Cardiff, he's woeful here and he need removing from his position ASAP. I've read people say we made our bed now lie in it. Ridiculous to say that. We've made a terrible decision now rectify it before the damage gets worse. 4 wins from 14 this season is just pathetic. Get Poch in ASAP, get rid of the likes of Pogba, and stop wasting £80m on players like Maguire.

The squads terrible, the manager too, recruitment has been for years. We're probably another ten years away from being able to compete with the big boys now.

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02 Dec 2019 23:22:45
We have a saying here in St. lucia that when someone speaks ill of you your ears begin to ring as if to notify you. Poor Ole must be deaf by now with the amount of tongue lashing he receives here on a daily basis.

03 Dec 2019 01:22:10
But he’s speaking facts St Lucia.

03 Dec 2019 11:09:04
were we live it is burning and oles ears look quite red.

 


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