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12 Aug 2019 20:23:08
Why is the narrative that we were "lucky" because Chelsea hit the post/ bar twice?

If we hit the post those same people would be call us unlucky. They would say it was a poor shot.

Why is a shot that hits the woodwork called unlucky while a shot that whistles just past the post is considered a shot off target therefore a poor shot?

If your shot isn't saved by the keeper and it doesn't go in then you missed. It doesn't matter if you missed by a yard or by a kick of paint. A miss is a miss.

We hit the woodwork 14 times last season, had all those shots gone in we would have won and extra 7 points and qualified for the UCL.

So we're we unlucky to not finish fourth or did we miss vital chances? It can't be one rule for us and another for our opponents.

1.) 12 Aug 2019 20:35:04
Don’t try to apply logic to a Chelsea fan. Climate change is happening and it’s starting to effect the plastic fans.

2.) 12 Aug 2019 21:30:43
I'm just wondering what you had to do to get the stats on how many times we hit the woodwork and where we would've finished if they'd gone in.

3.) 12 Aug 2019 21:35:15
Technically snappy a shot that hits the Woodward is classed as off target.


Chelsea saying they were unlucky to mask the fact that they were easily beaten.

Get over it.

4.) 13 Aug 2019 00:09:09
According to some any shot that hits the Woodward is a pretty good shot Bolger.

5.) 13 Aug 2019 06:04:12
Pogba hit the post 7 times in his first season.

6.) 13 Aug 2019 07:08:34
Not saying you were lucky you won. I think most people would agree with me on that.
What I am saying is that the 4-0 flatters United as you struggled to create much of note, and with better finishing from us the match could've been a lot different. We didn't take our chances, and you guys did. That was the difference.

The unlucky part for us fans is that for all of our inexperience on (and off) the pitch, we were ultimately let down by our most experienced guy on the pitch. Azpi switched off twice, for your 2nd and 3rd goals. That was the real shame, for me at least.

You deserved to win as you took the chances you got. We didn't as we didn't finish ours. Simple as.

7.) 13 Aug 2019 08:28:56
Spot on that Shappy.

Jackson, "with better finishing from us the match could've been a lot different" and in other news if my Mum was male she'd be my Dad.


We were clinical, we took the chances that came our way. It's that simple. You can be lucky in the odd game winning by 1-0 but if you win 4-0 you fully deserve it, which I know you have already stated but some of the posts on the Chelsea page are laughable mate.

{Ed0333's Note - I don’t concur mate I thought Chelsea were wasteful and should of been 2 up before you scored. That wasn’t anywhere near a vintage performance from you’re lot and if you'd have played City, Liverpool, Spurs on that form you’d have been soundly dealt with. I didn’t see anything from United that worried me but I agree you did make the most of you’re chances.

8.) 13 Aug 2019 09:09:12
Okay, so I don't speak for most other Chelsea fans on these pages at least :p

But on other platforms most echo my sentiments. We were wasteful and defensive transition was bad. You were clinical indeed. That's mostly story of the match.

9.) 13 Aug 2019 12:23:13
@Jackson

I pretty much agree with your assessment. I think we were lucky to lead at Halftime. But the 2nd half i think tactically we were spot on and deserved to win based on converting our chances.

Good Luck for rest of the season mate.

10.) 13 Aug 2019 12:26:27
Shappy, given the scoreline we can't say that we were lucky to win it but you can't deny that we were certainly lucky not to concede. De Gea was beaten twice and had to rely on prayers that the ball not deviate inside of the post.

11.) 13 Aug 2019 12:36:29
Thanks, SH :) getting top 6 should be possible. Good luck to you, too. If you play up to your talent level it should be a good one for you guys!

12.) 13 Aug 2019 13:43:07
Last season, away at Barca, Rashford went through on goal in the opening minutes and hit the bar.

I genuinely believe that had that gone in we would have beat Barca. We had them on the ropes in the first leg, we were all over them and their defence was in bits.

But that didn't happen, we made silly mistakes at the back and Barcelona were clinical. After the game we were pummelled by the press.

The main difference being, Barcelona were applauded for their performance in winning 3-0, whereas we apparently got lucky against Chelsea winning 4-0.

13.) 13 Aug 2019 16:39:36
Dont put the ball in the net you don't score nothing to do with luck.

14.) 13 Aug 2019 16:42:04
If so, if that. If it was against Liverpool/ Spurs we would struggle, if Chelsea scored from their changes, then we would struggle. We would never know. The fact is, it was Chelsea, we scored from the chances we got, and won the game.

We didn't stop after 2-0 or 3-0 and kept going for more. There were a lot of positives about the way the team went about it in the 2nd half.

15.) 13 Aug 2019 19:51:17
My point is we scored 4, luck doesn't come into it when you score 4 unanswered goals. Yes Chelsea were wasteful and yes Dave saved a few but Chelsea not finishing isn't our problem and isn't your keeper supposed to make saves?


I thought Pogba was poor all game but then there are glimpses of the player you know he is, the ball for Rash over the top and the drive through midfield to set up DJ typifies him. For me he will worry teams and cause problems.


In Rash, Martial and Jesse we have players with pace who can run in behind and run the channels, this will also cause teams problems. I actually think we will be better suited to play against teams Like City, Liverpool and Spurs etc. Teams that will have a go and press high giving the pacey front 3 chance to stretch them at the other end, that's where Pogba will be very important for us with his vision, It's imperative he is motivated and he stays until replaced if we want to be top 4.


As for teams that will defend in compact blocks (that's where we will struggle) I think Maguire will become essential in bringing the ball out from the back and creating an overload in the middle. Can we break them down?

I thought we were poor at the back, great individually but we didn't defend well as a team, partly because Shaw was doubled up on for most of the game with Rash not really tracking back but I do think that will come.

City- I thought were phenomenal and are the team to beat again.

Liverpool- While good I thought Norwich created a few good chances, I have a feeling they can be got at this year. It's whether or not teams can outscore them.

Spurs- I thought ran out of ideas until Eriksen came on, he's important for them.

Arsenal- I really didn't see anything much from them, I thought Newcastle were always in the game (who looked very poor themselves) Auba is excellent and does what he always does.


All in all I'm excited, I'm enjoying watching us again which is amazing. I even got my Mrs cheering us on! I think we will surprise a few this year. I don't think we will be as far away as last year :)

16.) 13 Aug 2019 12:40:58
Ed I did reply to you mate, not sure if it's been lost somewhere.

{Ed0333's Note - not sure mate.

17.) 14 Aug 2019 09:27:04
Chelsea got done. Simple as that. Looking for ‘what ifs’ is just a waste of time. Going into a game against Liverpool tonight they need to think about team selection rather than hitting woodwork. Quick tip: play Kante in CDM. Simple. That centre back pairing was not up to it.

18.) 17 Aug 2019 20:49:48
this game reminded me of when we lost 3 nil to spurs having had 3 great chances to be 3 up, it happens from what i saw a 1nil utd would of been fair, but that's football chelsea were naive pushing for an equaliser and got caught out simple as.
I agree a city etc would of punished us but we will hopefully play better as the season goes on.

17 Jun 2019 19:34:47
Ed002, Just wondering if the recent media reports of United having an interest in Issa Diop has any substance or if it's just media fantasy?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - West Ham implied there has been some interest.}

1.) 17 Jun 2019 20:19:03
Ed, has anything changed on the CB interest front aside from this?
Are the club in contact with any clubs regarding specific players?

{Ed002's Note - The club will have been talking to agents and to some clubs. If they persist with Diop them I think you can scratch KK from the list. And I gave an update recently.}

2.) 17 Jun 2019 21:34:44
Am I being thick, who's KK?

{Ed004's Note - Kalidou Koulibaly?}

3.) 17 Jun 2019 22:11:42
Yeah, I was being thick😂.

4.) 17 Jun 2019 22:13:25
From looking at Diop he looks like the player you wish Smalling was. He has all the defensive attributes but is good on the ball. Not elite on the ball yet but very solid. I think Tuanzebe needs the year long loan to a Premier League team like Villa to see if he's able to cut it then can be an exciting addition to our backline next season. Would be a lot happier with the club spending £60m on Diop than £80-90m on Maguire. Hard to pick between the two right now ability wise, then think of where Maguire was at when he was Diop's age (22yo) . A backline of Shaw, Diop, Lindelof (Capt, hopefully) and AWB is alright a little inexperienced but hella exciting! All very good at actual defending while being confident and comfortable on the ball. We live in hope.

5.) 17 Jun 2019 22:16:35
Thank god for that i was thinking kevin Keegan.

6.) 17 Jun 2019 22:35:22
Thanks, Ed.

7.) 17 Jun 2019 23:09:09
Dont know how good Diop is but i just hope we don't spend 60 mil plus on Maguire. He will be another Jones and Smalling but a expensive version.

8.) 18 Jun 2019 01:40:06
Quoted from sky. so believe what you will.

“West Ham want a player in return in any potential deal that would see Diop depart for Old Trafford but United are not willing to give the Hammers the player they want”

Any clue on who the player they want is?

9.) 18 Jun 2019 07:18:22
Ken, my first thought was Kevin Kilbane 😂.

10.) 18 Jun 2019 07:45:28
Lukaku.

11.) 18 Jun 2019 10:07:11
Apparently the player they want is Martial.

12.) 18 Jun 2019 10:48:12
How about Diop and Declan Rice for Martial plus cash?
I would definitely take it.

18 Mar 2019 22:19:22
Ed002, are United still interested in Carlos Soler? You mentioned him as a possible target a while back and I've kept a close eye on him since. Looks like he will be some player.

{Ed002's Note - No, but there is interest from another EPL side in Carlos Soler.}

1.) 19 Mar 2019 06:32:16
Thanks, that's a shame he looks like he will become a top player.

26 Jan 2019 08:49:10
Do the Ed's or any fellow posters know anything about the young 17 year old African midfielder Hanson MBopp we have been linked to this morning?

1.) 26 Jan 2019 09:15:01
One hit wonder.

2.) 26 Jan 2019 09:21:46
DDG 1, bravo, take the rest of the month off. You win the site. :)

3.) 26 Jan 2019 09:30:05
Shappy you ok lectured us a couple of weeks ago telling and urging us not to read these types of rumours. are you bi-polar 😂😂😂😂.

4.) 26 Jan 2019 10:17:53
DDG1, comment of the month, bravo 👏🏻.

5.) 26 Jan 2019 10:30:30
Saturday morning fishing Shappy?
DDG1 one for the archives that answer is!

6.) 26 Jan 2019 10:46:46
Duwudada doowapp.

7.) 26 Jan 2019 11:53:42
DDG1, I'll have to get up a little earlier if I want to catch you. lol. I was hoping everyone had been out celebrating last night, hoped I'd catch a few. lol.

8.) 26 Jan 2019 12:33:45
We're looking at quote a lot of young players. Hearing a lot of things about young Swiss midfielder Toby Le Rone.

9.) 26 Jan 2019 13:04:21
Mort, I've heard he's quite tasty. Lol.

10.) 26 Jan 2019 13:52:10
Good with triangles too.

11.) 26 Jan 2019 13:53:55
A bit up and down.

12.) 26 Jan 2019 14:17:42
Probably still be better than floppy keita.

13.) 26 Jan 2019 15:15:55
I hear he’s a nougat’y young Midfielder.
Gets stuck in.

14.) 26 Jan 2019 15:54:06
A good run and this site is a joy to visit. Top work boys.

15.) 26 Jan 2019 18:49:05
I wonder what's happened to our cheerful friend Beast.

16.) 26 Jan 2019 23:02:49
I do miss beast he had some good input most of the time.

23 Jan 2019 11:58:06
Ed002, I see we are being linked in the press with a move for Paul Mitchell again. Obviously the fact that he has worked with Pochettino at two different clubs and Pochettino is apparently our number one target is the basis of these links.

Are the club interested in Mitchell? And what's your opinion of him as a candidate for the Director of football role our club is pursuing?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Red Bull think a lot of him and for the past couple of months have been exploring a new global role for him as another EPL side has shown an interest. I am not aware of any approach by MU.}

1.) 23 Jan 2019 18:31:19
Cheers, Ed002.

{Ed002's Note - I would not want to see MU opt for Mitchell. It would not work in my opinion, but maybe to really move a head the club need to take the knife to the bad part of the apple?}

2.) 23 Jan 2019 18:40:03
Which part of the club is the bad part, in your opinion, Ed?

{Ed002's Note - The pointed bit.}

3.) 23 Jan 2019 20:14:34
Fascinating, from what I can find out about Mitchell he sounds like a United fans dream. Looks towards youth, won't sign players to block the pathway of young players, has unearthed some great signings for the clubs he works for.

So why do you feel Mitchell wouldn't work? And what is the bad part of the apple you allude to?

Thanks.

4.) 24 Jan 2019 06:06:39
The problem with that Shappy is blooding youth and winning trophies in basically impossible at this current time. We have a few very talented kids coming through, but what manager would risk their job here trying to make sure the kids get their chance?

5.) 24 Jan 2019 06:46:23
Mumbles, the right one for our club. We have only ever had consistent success under two managers. Sir Matt and Sir Alex, both built that success on blooding youth players.

Giving youth a chance is what Manchester United is about, a 80 year record of having an academy graduate in the match day squad is unmatched by any club anywhere in the world.

6.) 24 Jan 2019 10:30:17
Thanks for the info ed. Is it true that Andrea Berta is reconsidering now that Jose has left? I thought he was one of the people who jose was happy to work with? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of anything happening with Andrea Berta right now.}

7.) 24 Jan 2019 11:06:28
Perfect thanks for the swift reply Ed.

8.) 24 Jan 2019 15:57:50
Isn't an apple with a pointed bit just a pear?

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24 Aug 2019 20:13:11
*Sorry, that sent by mistake as my dog bodged my hand while I was typing.

It goes to show what hard work off the ball can achieve. I think Pogba deserves credit for that as we often slate him every time he doesn't.

James's goal was wonderfully struck, and he was unlucky not to score with two shots at the back post which were blocked and saved.

Rashford's penalty will be a talking point, the only good thing is it will make several very vocal pundits look a little silly for their over the top criticism of Pogba this last week.

If anything, he hit it a little two well, if he slightly scuffed it, he would have scored. He always goes for power, just normally with a little better precision. It's a shame, and its annoying but everyone misses a penalty from time to time.

I thought the ref was awful and totally disagreed with the commentary that the ref had control of the game. I didn't think he had control of it at all. He made several big mistakes. I don't think any of them categorically changed the game, although now we will never know.

1.) 24 Aug 2019 20:35:12
Shaps I know you love a cliche, but he 'hit it too well' is right up there with the very worst of them.
He missed, end of story.

2.) 24 Aug 2019 20:41:57
Pogba lost the ball for the goal, he was on the floor when Crystal Palace were scoring.

{Ed047's Note - had he lost an earring?

3.) 24 Aug 2019 21:10:04
he was looking on his phone o make sure he had been paid this month.

4.) 25 Aug 2019 05:31:16
The Ref had a shocker.
Martial was pulled down so clearly.

24 Aug 2019 16:38:56
This will be a reoccurring problem this season. When teams sit deep with 10 men behind the ball we will struggle to break them down. Without a creative No.10 who can find half a yard of space we will struggle.

I think Lingard and James was the wrong choices for this game. Palace were always going to play this way, so no need for a hard working player to close them down in Lingard and with no space behind its pointless playing James.

We need to be brave and make a double substitution at half time, Mata as there is no Gomes in the match day squad for Lingard and Greenwood for James.

Although both should have started.

1.) 24 Aug 2019 16:57:09
With this Squad and this manager, it will be a miracle to finish anywhere near top 4.

You may kill the messenger now.

2.) 24 Aug 2019 16:59:13
Agreed shappy. Said it hours ago.

3.) 24 Aug 2019 17:11:22
The recurring issues will continue whilst we have this manager. The owners are an issue but we must have a manager who knows what they are doing.

4.) 24 Aug 2019 17:11:51
I disagree with your point on James Shappy, he was incredible when moved to the left hand side, has a nice touch and can move very quickly in small congested spaces. When he plays on the right he actually gives us an outlet there that we haven't had for many years. Thought Wan Bissaka looked better when he had James playing infront of him as he has the pace to help cover as well. With regards to lingard I agree, I think it might be time to start trying gomes or mata in that position. I feel although they may not be the quickest, they're more creative in and around the box when the game is slower. The pace of the press also helps us to keep teams pinned back, which I'm not sure mata or Gomes offer.

5.) 24 Aug 2019 17:11:52
But we have a new style of play. don't score and lose.

6.) 24 Aug 2019 17:16:17
The problems are much bigger than that.

7.) 24 Aug 2019 17:25:22
I will genuinely be surprised if they finish above 8th. Weakest squad in the league had nothing to come off the bench and no tactical changes poor players managed by an amateur.

8.) 24 Aug 2019 17:31:17
Being the master of understatement I’d say that was Fairly uninspiring.

9.) 24 Aug 2019 18:04:46
Shappy at 1.30 today you are arguing that lingard was oles best option in not only 1 position but 2.
Make up your mind mr flip flop. 😂.

10.) 24 Aug 2019 18:40:57
Ken he is for most games. Just not ones where to opposition are just going to sit deep and hunker down for 90 minutes.

11.) 24 Aug 2019 18:50:36
Oh shappy, come on mate 🤦‍♂️.

12.) 24 Aug 2019 18:55:44
Lingard that won't get into starting 11 of 15 teams in the PL is the best option we have. Tells you really where we are. But ofcourse he is "one of our own" and its "tradition" so we have to back our 27 year old young ones. Yet another overrated englishman.

13.) 24 Aug 2019 19:25:38
Can’t comment on the game today as i haven’t seen it but i said jesse only offers athleticism and the (very) odd goal, i do believe that utd should have stuck to the original plan and waited till end of season to appoint a manager, sadly it’s looking more like ole is not up to the job and i fear the worst if ole stays, I don’t like the hire em fire em but maybe it’s time (already) to let him go before it’s too late.

14.) 24 Aug 2019 19:37:48
2smooth

Get him out the door tonight and start a real recruitment process, one that isn’t tainted by sentiment.

15.) 24 Aug 2019 20:11:11
First half was poor, lindelof got bullied a bit which is a trait from his first season .
Cahill should of saw red for me.
Second half was better, but palace done a good job of breaking it up, never seen so many fouls.

I thought it was a pen against martial, right decision for the one on rash .
Rashford missing the pen, dear me after every thing that has been said this week I'm sure it will be glossed over .
Poor gk by DDG for the goal which is a concern after his form last season .
Just wait for the reaction to a defeat on here tho, beating chelsea in a match will count for nothing. Suddenly this one game will 100% be the be all and end all.

16.) 24 Aug 2019 20:29:32
Jred,

There’s a post above saying we have the weakest squad in the league mate, says everything you need to know.

21 Aug 2019 09:52:20
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, Some Fans Have a Funny Way of Supporting Manchester United Players

1.) 21 Aug 2019 10:25:50
Shappy i agree with some of that.
Nobody can ask for more than 100%.
However when its obvious that that 100% is not enough to deliver good results on a consistent basis then get rid.
There are millions who would give 100% but very few that can make a difference.
No problem Giving players a go. No problem giving them time no problem with them making mistakes.
But after a sustained period if they are not good enough to make a consistent positive contribution like fletch and evans them get rid like we did with welbeck who was a flop for the gunners or cleverly who couldn't get a game for Everton and now can't get one for Watford or januzai who is nowhere or macheda who disappeared.
If you can't prove your good enough get rid simple as that.
Chances have to be given but they also have to be taken.
No point having a go at supporters who are having a pop at a forward players who has not scored or assisted for 18 months.

2.) 21 Aug 2019 10:48:18
Hi ken,

I always like reading your posts but on this occasion I’m abit bemused as to what players you are on about.

If you mean Lingard then it isn’t his specific job to score or assist he’s there to link play together and get between the lines. Do I think he should score more? Yes. Should he assist more? Yes. But as for him not contributing I think he does a good job.

3.) 21 Aug 2019 10:50:28
That's it there in a nutshell Ken,
But ole should have demanded during the summer that we need another midfielder, and this thing ole said the decide between them who takes the pens, for me the manager has to stand up there and say rash your my penalty taker.

4.) 21 Aug 2019 10:54:51
Who's that Ken? Lingard got 6 goals/ assists in December only 8 months ago. 18 months? Hyperbole much? 😂

Also who do you think we could play who would provide more for the team in that position than Lingard?

5.) 21 Aug 2019 11:00:19
Brilliant post Ken, Love for the academy lads is fine but one needs to know that if they aren't performing for a longer period then get rid of them. We as club have made positive strides by addressing two problematic areas, let's move in that same direction. Buy/ Promote players who can make an impact or can make a difference.

6.) 21 Aug 2019 11:02:44
When did Lingard become Cantona? Showing the younger players that hard work pays off? The man is a clown, he's a jester. Watch any interview with the team from any preseason and they all talk about how J Lingz is up for the bantz. This is all well and good when you're a kid but he's 27.

He's a coward on the ball and he's worse off it. Running around should be the bare minimum for any player, not the reason you're in the team. Someone said on a previous post that he doesn't do the fancy role in the team? He's playing number 10 for Man Utd. It's the fanciest position on the pitch. The world's best ply their trade there and we have an impostor in there.

Football fans are fickle. If he was tearing up trees than his off field nonsense would be glossed over. But the fact is he's a poor footballer who gets the swan around with the Man Utd crest on his clothes acting like a 15 year old.

His influence in the dressing room can only be a bad thing for the younglings. Hopefully none of our youth dream of being Jesse Lingard and learn from his mistakes.

Growing up under the shadow of Old Trafford doesn't make you immune to criticism. Fans were wary of Rashford leading the line because he may not have what it takes to be our main man.

No player gets a free pass. Youth graduate or not. Lingard is a poor footballer.

7.) 21 Aug 2019 11:13:12
Gazza/ Shappy, Don't know what planet football you guys have been watching but from where i come from if you are playing at #10 then your primary job is just not linking play. You are there to provide assists and score goals as well.
Eriksen and KDB have got all their basics wrong it seems.

8.) 21 Aug 2019 11:14:19
Sorry shappy i got my info from posts below. Not sure who posted the stats.
If you go back i have always maintained jessie is a decent squad player who had a place here. He can do a few jobs well but none expertly so squad player yes but consistent starter no.
I would not play a system that doesn't suit players at my disposal shappy that's not a good idea.

Its hard to suggest what to do from my position to be honest unlike you i do not know each player personally and i don't get to see them train like you do every day and talk to them to know what they are feeling and thinking like you do every day. 😂😂😂
i'd maybe play pogba higher or persist with periera but i wouldn't play jessie there. Very little guile and invention or vision key attributes for playing that position.

9.) 21 Aug 2019 11:22:00
People wanted rid of martial and rash not that long ago, let's see how that turns out.
We have Greenwood gomes and tuenz at the moment who could break through this season .
A couple of bad games tho and they will be labelled not united class .

10.) 21 Aug 2019 11:34:24
Lingard is a useful squad player. But he clearly lacks the attributes needed to be a no 10. I have never seen him play a defence splitting pass.
He will probably be benched soon if his end product doesn't up his game.

11.) 21 Aug 2019 11:44:03
Gazza cheers pal.
Jessie has been playing rw or 10.
Its a key part of his role to create and score.

12.) 21 Aug 2019 11:53:14
I don't think martial is united class. He has a lot to prove imo, but, he is going the right way about it. 2 goals in 2 games is the best way for him to answer critics and sceltics like me.
Id love to see him get 30 goals this season.

13.) 21 Aug 2019 12:38:26
Good post Shappy.

14.) 21 Aug 2019 13:20:24
Would you believe the class of 92 had more players than butt neville x2 scholes and becks.
Should we have kept them all shappy?
Or just the ones that proved themselves good enough.

I mean russle beardsmore would have been better than messi if we had given him another 5 year contract.

{Ed047's Note - if Lingard was playing for another club, 100% you would not want him and you’d be deriding that clubs fan base if they tried to say he was any good.

15.) 21 Aug 2019 13:29:22
Ken is completely right.

Lingard is 26 year old mid table player. There isn’t a single other top club where he would get regular playing time, but because he’s an academy darling he’s in the first eleven.

All the United old boys like to pretend he’s a ‘young’ player but he isn’t. He should be one of the senior and most consistent players in a young squad, but he’s a child who doesn’t produce nine times out of ten.

16.) 21 Aug 2019 13:43:06
Fans on here would of wanted rid of at least butt and p Neville.
Scholes in his early days especially when playing as striker would of been labelled not united quality.
And the transfer window when we moved on ince and co to give the 92ca chance would of put the doom and gloomers in to overdrive .

17.) 21 Aug 2019 14:16:12
I don't think that's true jred.
But its funny you should say that because you have always maintained you can't compare the 2 eras.
Unless of course its fits your narrative. Is that the way you say it?

18.) 21 Aug 2019 14:26:47
I'm not comparing eras, i'm talking about some of the fans on this page . Try and work it out.

19.) 21 Aug 2019 15:29:26
Lol I like the way that the person who is quoting false stats on one hand is accusing someone of posting something to fit their narrative on the other. Strange.
Also the level of passive aggressiveness is unreal in some of his other posts on this thread.

20.) 21 Aug 2019 15:35:28
ED47, Grealish would be the best example if we want to compare Lingard in some other team.

{Ed047's Note - becks I wasn’t really comparing as such, just indicating you need a lot better. Even as a squad player you want them to make a difference.

I’m glad we’ve moved Iwobi on and would like to see the same for Mustafi, Xhaka, Miki, Elneny and to a slightly lesser degree Özil.

None bring enough to the party and if you keep settling for players like that you never or only really slowly move forward.

21.) 21 Aug 2019 15:42:27
Wasn't Scholes top scorer in his first year I think. The squad with the class of 92 was littered with quality. We were pushing on for major honours on all fronts. All those players delivered consistently for years. Even the ones that eventually left had magnificent careers with us.

My poor opinion of Lingard isn't because of one or two bad games. It's because I have watched him every week for the last 6 years and bar a 3 minute YouTube video highlights, he has been poor for us. Ed047 is spot on. I'd struggle to name a few teams in the league that he would start consistently for.

Can someone please list his qualities for me in case i'm being totally irrational here?

22.) 21 Aug 2019 16:24:55
You are not being irrational here mumbles.
You can only call what you see.
That does not make you a bad fan.
That does not mean you don't love your club or team
It does not mean others are better fans than you.
Dont listen to the silly Billy's and the know alls.
You are entitled to your opinion and you are entitled to voice it. i'm sure you don't expect or indeed demand that everybody agrees with you.

23.) 21 Aug 2019 16:43:01
Mumbles
No he scored 5 league goals 2 in the cup.

24.) 21 Aug 2019 16:57:43
Jred. I was wrong about Scholes stats. Did to spend some time on Wikipedia. The memory is fading.

25.) 21 Aug 2019 17:12:34
regardless of what you think of Jesse, ask yourself is it his fault? Is it his fault he gets picked and has done consistently under 3 managers? Is it his fault we didn’t sign the player everyone wanted. I personally wanted to see Bruno Fernandes in that role. He hasn’t come in, so fair enough, we move on with what we have.

Alexis Sanchez for the number 10 role? The man has come here for the money and nothing else. He’s done, people would complain if he blocked a players path.

How does anyone know Jesse is a bad influence on players? Are you in the dressing room to know that? We aren’t. You would like to think of he was unprofessional or a bad influence he would be gone, so maybe not. He did top all the pre season tests apparently.

He didn’t have a good season last year, did anyone really? Certain players had good periods- as did Jesse. The amount of stick the lad is getting on here and elsewhere is a bit ott for me. Like I said yesterday, there are better players than Jesse out there. It’s more a sign of poor recruitment that he is our main number 10.

It’s a bit sad seeing people think he should get a free pass because he’s from the academy, that is simply not true. People see he’s giving his all for the club we all love. If I remember correctly that’s what everyone wanted?

Give the lad a break and support our TEAM. It’s not his fault we haven’t recruited someone better to play in his position is it?

26.) 21 Aug 2019 17:32:34
If Scholes was 26 and still failing to perform on anything close to a consistent basis, people would have wanted him out too.

He has had years to show that he’s good enough for a top 6 team, he isn’t, and if the club had done its job in the transfer window and brought in an attacking mid he would be nowhere near the first 11. He’s a lingering reminder that the club hasn’t brought in enough attacking quality.

27.) 21 Aug 2019 19:20:10
Mumbles
Yer I had to check wiki but I could remember he struggled at first like many do.
Issues with fitness and asthma.

28.) 21 Aug 2019 19:21:03
Do people think that any player we buy will 100% be great.

29.) 21 Aug 2019 23:30:43
Wont be 100% great but won't be 100% shish like lingard is.

18 Aug 2019 11:45:30
I must say Antonio Conte looks like he might be the hero of our transfer window. If he gets his way he'll sign both Lukaku and Sanchez from us this summer.

If that happens he should get a plaque at Old Trafford.

1.) 18 Aug 2019 12:04:02
If he could take rojo and darmian as well i think a statue would be in order.

2.) 18 Aug 2019 12:05:28
I think they need him and will get him as 0erisic has now left.

3.) 18 Aug 2019 12:09:49
What about DOF. he is doing a great job.

4.) 18 Aug 2019 13:06:31
We can but hope. Sanchez leaving would be best for all involved. One of the most effective players in the league a couple of years ago but he looks like a totally different person nowadays.

No doubt United would need to pay a reasonable chunk of his wages but regardless it's the right decision.

5.) 18 Aug 2019 14:53:33
If he takes Sanchez Darmian Rojo Jones and Smalling they should re name old Trafford after him.

6.) 18 Aug 2019 20:00:18
I am beginning to warm to Conte.

7.) 18 Aug 2019 21:00:42
Maybe Conte fancies the job after Ole? . doing a bit of pruning before he comes in. ha.

8.) 19 Aug 2019 05:40:11
If Martial and Rash get injured, we are woefully short up front.
Not sure if it's possible to get Lorente as cover since he is a free agent.

9.) 19 Aug 2019 12:24:50
TrueRedDevil, on the rare occasions that BOTH Rashford and Martial are injured or suspended then Greenwood could step up for a game or two. Or we could play Lingard or Mata as a false No.9.

10.) 19 Aug 2019 13:28:36
Yeah Shappy.
Still it's a challenging ask.
If either goes out of form, there is lack of quality to cover.

11.) 19 Aug 2019 16:14:06
The problem is though that Sanchez has been so bad that even if he stays there is still a lack of cover. Does anyone really expect him to get game time and suddenly look like the player from 4 years ago?

12 Aug 2019 12:00:12
So what does everyone make of the shift in focus to our attack?

Last season it seemed very clear that Ole preferred to have Rashford through the middle. So much so that it pushed Lukaku out of the club. Something I don't hold against Lukaku, he played second fiddle at a top club for several years to an older better player, in the end he got tired of waiting for his chance. He moved to a club slightly lower in the pecking order to play regularly. He earned a move back to a top club. So losing his place to a YOUNGER player probably felt pretty sickening to him. He is in his prime years and he needs to be first choice.

On to what we seem to be seeing this season (albeit a small sample size so far) is Martial being moved more centrally with Rashford moving out to the left. Again with them regularly switching roles.

Personally I think that might be best especially in games where we will look to counter. Martial lack of off the ball movement might work against him when teams sit deep. Yet his movement for his goal yesterday was excellent. If he can improve that then his clinical finishing could make him into a top level striker.

Whereas, Rashford's work rate and slightly less clinical finishing might be better suited to a role on the left cutting in on to his stronger right foot.

Has Ole, a former top striker himself, seen something in Martial he thinks he can coach out of him? The giving of the No.9 shirt seems to be calculated as well.

It will be very interesting to watch as the season develops to see who out of the two spends more time playing centrally, and how they develop.

1.) 12 Aug 2019 12:37:10
“Sickening” - really? Lukaku admitted came into last season overweight and his performances and work rate were abysmal. He had every reason to be dropped and play second fiddle and there was no reason to change that going into the new season.

On martial i think the reason he is playing centrally is that his hold up play and close control is very good. He can drop deep with rashford and a rw running in behind (maybe greenwood) ideally and martial can then create chances which is an underrated aspect of his game.

2.) 12 Aug 2019 13:40:14
Shappy, interesting post. I think Martial is a very good striker and him and Rashford can interchange, thus making it more difficult for opposition defenders. I said from day one, that I'm not worried about our attack, i would rather have 5 players scoring 10-12 each than depending on one striker scoring a lot of goals.
Bit i don't agree with is Lukaku. When he arrived, i thought he'll be incredible for us. However, his work rate, his weight, his attitude cannot be accepred. There simply are no excuses. He acted unprofessionally in the way he looked after himself, and also, he lacked balls to train hard and prove the manager wrong. He took the easy way out and became lazier. I know it's not our money, but Lukaku and Sanchez and a few of the other time wasters at United, are stealing a living. I'm delighted OGS has given his big arse a huge boot, and i hope Sanchez, Rojo, Jones and Darmian will follow the exit route before long.
We need people dying for the cause, not mercenaries like Lukaku who think they can be 3 stones overweight and be guaranteed an automatic spot in the team. Goodbye Lukaku and good riddance, and inter are welcome to him.

3.) 12 Aug 2019 15:58:46
Lukaku, the same guy who scored 32 goals for us in 2 seasons? The guy who hardly played towards the second half of the season and yet was the top scorer for us last season. Yesterday someone heralded Martial's 45 goals in 5 years as great and now 32 in 2 years is bad. Martial is a natural striker and is lethal when he decides to show up but that doesn't mean that Lukaku was bad. He simply didn't fit the system that is being attempted now. You give him a proper winger and he will get you the goals.

Another thing, what does a shirt number have to do with playing well or badly? Can he see the number on his back once he has the jersey on. A player should be committed to playing well no matter what number is displayed on his back.

4.) 12 Aug 2019 16:30:29
Why do you include Darmian and Jones in that summary.


When has Jones or Darmian been unprofessional and coming back overweight and not willing to give their all, because that is not true, they are simply not good enough, nothing to do with their attitude.

You just sound silly, sorry mate, I disagree.

5.) 12 Aug 2019 16:50:38
I liked the formation. I preferred it when Lingard played in CAM role.
I liked Martial and Rashford starting positions and them rotating.
I think our formation, style etc were great. Just need to keep it going and gain confidence through results.

6.) 13 Aug 2019 00:36:23
Jb, jones, Darmian, sanchez, Rojo. These guys are injured or unfit 80% of the season. If they were your employees and you only say them 3 months a year, will you not be slightly miffed? So who is being silly here?

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15 Aug 2019 12:03:25
I think the 27m + James Rodriguez bid proved how little an appetite Real Madrid had for seriously pursuing Pogba.

The fact that they are now seriously exploring a deal for Neymar shows that the money is there if they really want a player. I think it also shows that the manager doesn't dictate the signings at Real Madrid.
In which case does it really matter how much Zidane wants Pogba, if other people at the club don't want him then he won't go there.

I think this summer was his real chance to go to Real Madrid. I think he might have missed it, unless he has a storming season this year and proves himself to be a "Galactico".

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08 Aug 2019 20:23:47
Never seen him play, but been told he has plenty of "bite". 😂.

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05 Aug 2019 08:08:22
Isco is the only one.

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01 Aug 2019 13:21:26
The issue is we could do with a proven top level goalscorer to take some of the burden off of Rashford and Martial.

However, we are a team that hasn't truly competed for the league in 6 years and currently can only offer Europa League football. What hungry, motivated player at the peak of their career would move to our club at the moment? Young players looking to step up a level, yes. Older players with their best days behind them and a clutch of medals looking for one last big pay day, sure. But top level players in their peak years? Unlikely.

So what do you do about it? Well you have four options.

1, sign an older player on huge wages who might do well but would ultimately block the path of the younger players. Also they might not be as good as their reputation suggests as they will be on the decline. Think either Zlatan or Sanchez. Not a great option.

2, Sign an average squad player. Someone to make up the numbers. This seems pointless as we have a bloated squad already.

3, Sign a top young talent. This doesn't really help as we then have three or four top young players.

4, Sign no other strikers, put faith in the players we have and hope they step up. Maybe sign a wide player or an attacking midfielder who can score a fair few goals and take the pressure off the strikers by having the goal scoring burden shared out amongst more players.

This seems like the best option and maybe the one Ole seems to be going towards.

Rather than have one player expected to score 25-30 goals, with others pitching with no one else scoring more than 10-12. Have 5-6 players all expected to score 12-18 goals each. Marital, Rashford, Dybala, Bruno Fernandes, Mata, Lingard, James, Pogba/ SMS and Greenwood could all score at least 10 goals next season, some of them could score 15-20. If all score 10 then that's 90 goals, if they all score 12 then that's 108. If one of them has a breakout season and scores 20+ then we will have a very good season.

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28 Jul 2019 16:43:49
Bale is reportedly currently on 600k per week. He isn't going to take a pay cut.

So we would need to match his current wages at least.

He just isn't worth that sort of money when you consider his injuries. Why do you think Real Madrid are desperate to get him off the books.

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25 Aug 2019 15:19:05
70% possession and 22 shots on goal compared to 30% and 4 shots on goal.

We did everything but put the ball in the net. Plus there are arguements that Palace should have had Cahill sent off and we should have been awarded a second penalty for the foul on Martial.

We were just unlucky.

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25 Aug 2019 11:52:11
United Addict, are you saying Lingard hasn't improved since he was 17? Ridiculous. Of course he has, is he a world class player? No. Will he be? Highly unlikely (although Drogba wasn't considered a world class player or even potentially a world class player until he was 27. So it does happen, albeit rarely) .

Is he a hard working dedicated passionate club player who can be a useful squad player? Absolutely.

However, the club have offered DDG a 350k per week, 5 year deal. Yet DDG wants closer to 500k per week.

Whereas, Lingard is on less than 180k per week. So they aren't even on the same page wages wise. If Lingard was demanding a 500k per week contract I'd pack his bags myself.

But this isn't about your obsession with Lingard, it's about whether there is value in giving DDG a high wage long term contract. Based on his form of two years ago it is a no brainer. Yet last season he had what many fans are calling an off season. Yet he has started this season in the same vein.

So is it just a bad patch of form? Or has he plateaued and could even be declining slightly?

I have pointed out on several occasions that DDG isn't a great well rounded goalkeeper. He is a world class shot stopper, yet his distribution, command of his area and general communication isn't great. I have also pointed out that shot stopping is an ability that relies heavily on reactions and athleticism. However, these are the first things a player loses as they age. Which means as DDG gets older his shot stopping ability will decline so unless he can improve his other areas he will quickly drop out of the equation of best goalkeeper in the world.

which further asks the question on whether it makes sense to give him a long term contract on a high wage.

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25 Aug 2019 09:08:38
100% agree. If we scored both our penalties then we would likely have 9 points from 3 games.

These things happen. I think our fans raise expectations very quickly. No one expected us to challenge this year, everyone felt we are a couple of years away from challenging. Everyone believed that we needed at least a RW and a No.10 in the summer and possibly another midfielder to replace Pogba. Everyone agreed without these players we would struggle.

Then suddenly we beat Chelsea 4-0 opening day and we are title challengers again.

A week later we come back down to earth and suddenly Ole isn't getting enough out of the players or he is mismanaging them as we aren't top of the league.

It's ridiculous.

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25 Aug 2019 00:01:24
Irony? Appease which fans exactly? The ones who have been calling for him to be sacked before the season even started?

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24 Aug 2019 23:02:37
Still a top class goalkeeper but can anyone say he has improved over the last three years?

If goalkeepers peak in their late 20's/ early 30's then DDG should still be improving approaching his peak. Yet arguably he dipped last season and he seems to be carrying that form into this season. Beaten twice today at his near post, the second one was particularly bad.

It would be good if the club can keep him, yet I have concerns about tying him to a mega money long term deal.