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12 Aug 2019 20:23:08
Why is the narrative that we were "lucky" because Chelsea hit the post/ bar twice?
If we hit the post those same people would be call us unlucky. They would say it was a poor shot.
Why is a shot that hits the woodwork called unlucky while a shot that whistles just past the post is considered a shot off target therefore a poor shot?
If your shot isn't saved by the keeper and it doesn't go in then you missed. It doesn't matter if you missed by a yard or by a kick of paint. A miss is a miss.
We hit the woodwork 14 times last season, had all those shots gone in we would have won and extra 7 points and qualified for the UCL.
So we're we unlucky to not finish fourth or did we miss vital chances? It can't be one rule for us and another for our opponents.
1.) 12 Aug 2019 20:35:04
Don’t try to apply logic to a Chelsea fan. Climate change is happening and it’s starting to effect the plastic fans.
2.) 12 Aug 2019 21:30:43
I'm just wondering what you had to do to get the stats on how many times we hit the woodwork and where we would've finished if they'd gone in.
3.) 12 Aug 2019 21:35:15
Technically snappy a shot that hits the Woodward is classed as off target.
Chelsea saying they were unlucky to mask the fact that they were easily beaten.
Get over it.
4.) 13 Aug 2019 00:09:09
According to some any shot that hits the Woodward is a pretty good shot Bolger.
5.) 13 Aug 2019 06:04:12
Pogba hit the post 7 times in his first season.
6.) 13 Aug 2019 07:08:34
Not saying you were lucky you won. I think most people would agree with me on that.
What I am saying is that the 4-0 flatters United as you struggled to create much of note, and with better finishing from us the match could've been a lot different. We didn't take our chances, and you guys did. That was the difference.
The unlucky part for us fans is that for all of our inexperience on (and off) the pitch, we were ultimately let down by our most experienced guy on the pitch. Azpi switched off twice, for your 2nd and 3rd goals. That was the real shame, for me at least.
You deserved to win as you took the chances you got. We didn't as we didn't finish ours. Simple as.
7.) 13 Aug 2019 08:28:56
Spot on that Shappy.
Jackson, "with better finishing from us the match could've been a lot different" and in other news if my Mum was male she'd be my Dad.
We were clinical, we took the chances that came our way. It's that simple. You can be lucky in the odd game winning by 1-0 but if you win 4-0 you fully deserve it, which I know you have already stated but some of the posts on the Chelsea page are laughable mate.
{Ed0333's Note - I don’t concur mate I thought Chelsea were wasteful and should of been 2 up before you scored. That wasn’t anywhere near a vintage performance from you’re lot and if you'd have played City, Liverpool, Spurs on that form you’d have been soundly dealt with. I didn’t see anything from United that worried me but I agree you did make the most of you’re chances.
8.) 13 Aug 2019 09:09:12
Okay, so I don't speak for most other Chelsea fans on these pages at least :p
But on other platforms most echo my sentiments. We were wasteful and defensive transition was bad. You were clinical indeed. That's mostly story of the match.
9.) 13 Aug 2019 12:23:13
@Jackson
I pretty much agree with your assessment. I think we were lucky to lead at Halftime. But the 2nd half i think tactically we were spot on and deserved to win based on converting our chances.
Good Luck for rest of the season mate.
10.) 13 Aug 2019 12:26:27
Shappy, given the scoreline we can't say that we were lucky to win it but you can't deny that we were certainly lucky not to concede. De Gea was beaten twice and had to rely on prayers that the ball not deviate inside of the post.
11.) 13 Aug 2019 12:36:29
Thanks, SH :) getting top 6 should be possible. Good luck to you, too. If you play up to your talent level it should be a good one for you guys!
12.) 13 Aug 2019 13:43:07
Last season, away at Barca, Rashford went through on goal in the opening minutes and hit the bar.
I genuinely believe that had that gone in we would have beat Barca. We had them on the ropes in the first leg, we were all over them and their defence was in bits.
But that didn't happen, we made silly mistakes at the back and Barcelona were clinical. After the game we were pummelled by the press.
The main difference being, Barcelona were applauded for their performance in winning 3-0, whereas we apparently got lucky against Chelsea winning 4-0.
13.) 13 Aug 2019 16:39:36
Dont put the ball in the net you don't score nothing to do with luck.
14.) 13 Aug 2019 16:42:04
If so, if that. If it was against Liverpool/ Spurs we would struggle, if Chelsea scored from their changes, then we would struggle. We would never know. The fact is, it was Chelsea, we scored from the chances we got, and won the game.
We didn't stop after 2-0 or 3-0 and kept going for more. There were a lot of positives about the way the team went about it in the 2nd half.
15.) 13 Aug 2019 19:51:17
My point is we scored 4, luck doesn't come into it when you score 4 unanswered goals. Yes Chelsea were wasteful and yes Dave saved a few but Chelsea not finishing isn't our problem and isn't your keeper supposed to make saves?
I thought Pogba was poor all game but then there are glimpses of the player you know he is, the ball for Rash over the top and the drive through midfield to set up DJ typifies him. For me he will worry teams and cause problems.
In Rash, Martial and Jesse we have players with pace who can run in behind and run the channels, this will also cause teams problems. I actually think we will be better suited to play against teams Like City, Liverpool and Spurs etc. Teams that will have a go and press high giving the pacey front 3 chance to stretch them at the other end, that's where Pogba will be very important for us with his vision, It's imperative he is motivated and he stays until replaced if we want to be top 4.
As for teams that will defend in compact blocks (that's where we will struggle) I think Maguire will become essential in bringing the ball out from the back and creating an overload in the middle. Can we break them down?
I thought we were poor at the back, great individually but we didn't defend well as a team, partly because Shaw was doubled up on for most of the game with Rash not really tracking back but I do think that will come.
City- I thought were phenomenal and are the team to beat again.
Liverpool- While good I thought Norwich created a few good chances, I have a feeling they can be got at this year. It's whether or not teams can outscore them.
Spurs- I thought ran out of ideas until Eriksen came on, he's important for them.
Arsenal- I really didn't see anything much from them, I thought Newcastle were always in the game (who looked very poor themselves) Auba is excellent and does what he always does.
All in all I'm excited, I'm enjoying watching us again which is amazing. I even got my Mrs cheering us on! I think we will surprise a few this year. I don't think we will be as far away as last year :)
16.) 13 Aug 2019 12:40:58
Ed I did reply to you mate, not sure if it's been lost somewhere.
{Ed0333's Note - not sure mate.
17.) 14 Aug 2019 09:27:04
Chelsea got done. Simple as that. Looking for ‘what ifs’ is just a waste of time. Going into a game against Liverpool tonight they need to think about team selection rather than hitting woodwork. Quick tip: play Kante in CDM. Simple. That centre back pairing was not up to it.
18.) 17 Aug 2019 20:49:48
this game reminded me of when we lost 3 nil to spurs having had 3 great chances to be 3 up, it happens from what i saw a 1nil utd would of been fair, but that's football chelsea were naive pushing for an equaliser and got caught out simple as.
I agree a city etc would of punished us but we will hopefully play better as the season goes on.
17 Jun 2019 19:34:47
Ed002, Just wondering if the recent media reports of United having an interest in Issa Diop has any substance or if it's just media fantasy?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - West Ham implied there has been some interest.}
1.) 17 Jun 2019 20:19:03
Ed, has anything changed on the CB interest front aside from this?
Are the club in contact with any clubs regarding specific players?
{Ed002's Note - The club will have been talking to agents and to some clubs. If they persist with Diop them I think you can scratch KK from the list. And I gave an update recently.}
2.) 17 Jun 2019 21:34:44
Am I being thick, who's KK?
{Ed004's Note - Kalidou Koulibaly?}
3.) 17 Jun 2019 22:11:42
Yeah, I was being thick😂.
4.) 17 Jun 2019 22:13:25
From looking at Diop he looks like the player you wish Smalling was. He has all the defensive attributes but is good on the ball. Not elite on the ball yet but very solid. I think Tuanzebe needs the year long loan to a Premier League team like Villa to see if he's able to cut it then can be an exciting addition to our backline next season. Would be a lot happier with the club spending £60m on Diop than £80-90m on Maguire. Hard to pick between the two right now ability wise, then think of where Maguire was at when he was Diop's age (22yo) . A backline of Shaw, Diop, Lindelof (Capt, hopefully) and AWB is alright a little inexperienced but hella exciting! All very good at actual defending while being confident and comfortable on the ball. We live in hope.
5.) 17 Jun 2019 22:16:35
Thank god for that i was thinking kevin Keegan.
6.) 17 Jun 2019 22:35:22
Thanks, Ed.
7.) 17 Jun 2019 23:09:09
Dont know how good Diop is but i just hope we don't spend 60 mil plus on Maguire. He will be another Jones and Smalling but a expensive version.
8.) 18 Jun 2019 01:40:06
Quoted from sky. so believe what you will.
“West Ham want a player in return in any potential deal that would see Diop depart for Old Trafford but United are not willing to give the Hammers the player they want”
Any clue on who the player they want is?
9.) 18 Jun 2019 07:18:22
Ken, my first thought was Kevin Kilbane 😂.
10.) 18 Jun 2019 07:45:28
Lukaku.
11.) 18 Jun 2019 10:07:11
Apparently the player they want is Martial.
12.) 18 Jun 2019 10:48:12
How about Diop and Declan Rice for Martial plus cash?
I would definitely take it.
18 Mar 2019 22:19:22
Ed002, are United still interested in Carlos Soler? You mentioned him as a possible target a while back and I've kept a close eye on him since. Looks like he will be some player.
{Ed002's Note - No, but there is interest from another EPL side in Carlos Soler.}
1.) 19 Mar 2019 06:32:16
Thanks, that's a shame he looks like he will become a top player.
26 Jan 2019 08:49:10
Do the Ed's or any fellow posters know anything about the young 17 year old African midfielder Hanson MBopp we have been linked to this morning?
1.) 26 Jan 2019 09:15:01
One hit wonder.
2.) 26 Jan 2019 09:21:46
DDG 1, bravo, take the rest of the month off. You win the site. :)
3.) 26 Jan 2019 09:30:05
Shappy you ok lectured us a couple of weeks ago telling and urging us not to read these types of rumours. are you bi-polar 😂😂😂😂.
4.) 26 Jan 2019 10:17:53
DDG1, comment of the month, bravo 👏🏻.
5.) 26 Jan 2019 10:30:30
Saturday morning fishing Shappy?
DDG1 one for the archives that answer is!
6.) 26 Jan 2019 10:46:46
Duwudada doowapp.
7.) 26 Jan 2019 11:53:42
DDG1, I'll have to get up a little earlier if I want to catch you. lol. I was hoping everyone had been out celebrating last night, hoped I'd catch a few. lol.
8.) 26 Jan 2019 12:33:45
We're looking at quote a lot of young players. Hearing a lot of things about young Swiss midfielder Toby Le Rone.
9.) 26 Jan 2019 13:04:21
Mort, I've heard he's quite tasty. Lol.
10.) 26 Jan 2019 13:52:10
Good with triangles too.
11.) 26 Jan 2019 13:53:55
A bit up and down.
12.) 26 Jan 2019 14:17:42
Probably still be better than floppy keita.
13.) 26 Jan 2019 15:15:55
I hear he’s a nougat’y young Midfielder.
Gets stuck in.
14.) 26 Jan 2019 15:54:06
A good run and this site is a joy to visit. Top work boys.
15.) 26 Jan 2019 18:49:05
I wonder what's happened to our cheerful friend Beast.
16.) 26 Jan 2019 23:02:49
I do miss beast he had some good input most of the time.
23 Jan 2019 11:58:06
Ed002, I see we are being linked in the press with a move for Paul Mitchell again. Obviously the fact that he has worked with Pochettino at two different clubs and Pochettino is apparently our number one target is the basis of these links.
Are the club interested in Mitchell? And what's your opinion of him as a candidate for the Director of football role our club is pursuing?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Red Bull think a lot of him and for the past couple of months have been exploring a new global role for him as another EPL side has shown an interest. I am not aware of any approach by MU.}
1.) 23 Jan 2019 18:31:19
Cheers, Ed002.
{Ed002's Note - I would not want to see MU opt for Mitchell. It would not work in my opinion, but maybe to really move a head the club need to take the knife to the bad part of the apple?}
2.) 23 Jan 2019 18:40:03
Which part of the club is the bad part, in your opinion, Ed?
{Ed002's Note - The pointed bit.}
3.) 23 Jan 2019 20:14:34
Fascinating, from what I can find out about Mitchell he sounds like a United fans dream. Looks towards youth, won't sign players to block the pathway of young players, has unearthed some great signings for the clubs he works for.
So why do you feel Mitchell wouldn't work? And what is the bad part of the apple you allude to?
Thanks.
4.) 24 Jan 2019 06:06:39
The problem with that Shappy is blooding youth and winning trophies in basically impossible at this current time. We have a few very talented kids coming through, but what manager would risk their job here trying to make sure the kids get their chance?
5.) 24 Jan 2019 06:46:23
Mumbles, the right one for our club. We have only ever had consistent success under two managers. Sir Matt and Sir Alex, both built that success on blooding youth players.
Giving youth a chance is what Manchester United is about, a 80 year record of having an academy graduate in the match day squad is unmatched by any club anywhere in the world.
6.) 24 Jan 2019 10:30:17
Thanks for the info ed. Is it true that Andrea Berta is reconsidering now that Jose has left? I thought he was one of the people who jose was happy to work with? Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of anything happening with Andrea Berta right now.}
7.) 24 Jan 2019 11:06:28
Perfect thanks for the swift reply Ed.
8.) 24 Jan 2019 15:57:50
Isn't an apple with a pointed bit just a pear?
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30 Sep 2019 16:40:46
I think tonight might be the game that Mason Greenwood truly announces himself on the world stage. A brace or even a hat trick maybe.
We have a history of players making a name for themselves against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
1.) 30 Sep 2019 17:02:07
He probably won't start as Rashford has been declared fit.
2.) 30 Sep 2019 17:03:44
I think our soon to turn 18 year old striker without a single EPL start to his name will get at least two goals against a side that finished above us last season.
And we wonder why young players struggle to live up to the hype.
3.) 30 Sep 2019 17:18:12
Danny, if Arsenal could defend they would have finish last season in the top four.
Also I'm not saying I'm expect him to score 30+ goals in his first season, or even for him to play well in all the games he plays.
I just have an inclining that he might score a couple of goals tonight. If he does have a great game then it will be down to the club, the manager and the coaches to keep his feet on the ground and not let a good performance go to his head.
As for the fans, we will always over hype our young players. There are still fans who expected us to challenge for the title this season.
Currently we have some great young players; Henderson, Tuanzebe, Williams, Laird, McTominay, Garner, Levitt, Gomes, Chong and Greenwood.
If three of them make it as long term first team players then that will be a huge success.
Yet the fans would love for all of them to make it, and some even believe most of them will. The fact remains, they will only make it if they have the mentality to grab their chance when it comes their way.
4.) 30 Sep 2019 17:31:15
shappy god forbid abit of an optimistic post in these hard times.
i hope we go we go with James greenwood and dalot as the wide 3.
5.) 30 Sep 2019 17:45:57
There’s a difference between optimism, and expecting an 18 y/ o with very little experience to dominate in his first league start.
Have a look at what players like Bojan say about the pressure and expectations placed on teenagers. We talk about having the mentality to grab their chance, but this is precisely the type of talk that damages young players’ confidence and mental health if they can’t match the weight of expectations.
6.) 30 Sep 2019 18:23:09
i don't think his post was aimed coming across that way.
but you never know danny, rashford bagged a brace in his first prem start against arsenal
maybe its written in the stars.
7.) 30 Sep 2019 18:44:31
Danny, I'm not expecting him to score, I just have an inclining that he will.
Different players deal with the pressure differently. Some are superstars at 17 and go off the rails. Others take it in their stride. Giggs and Ronaldo both handled it fine. Others didn't.
It's the managements job to judge when these kids are ready, but the acid test is and always will be being thrown in. There is nowhere to hide on the pitch at Old Trafford. Whether these lads make their debut at 17 or 23 as Cleverly did. You still need to learn to handle it. No one is born able to handle pressure, it's a life skill you learn.
Unfortunately when you're a kid in the academy of a club our size you won't get a serious intermediate step between youth football and the biggest stage unless you go on loan for a year or two.
However, the loan system is a risky way to go. Do they play, does the loan club develop them the way the parent club would want, are they challenged at the right level to push them without it being too much. So many potential pitfalls.
Greenwood looks like he is ready for a step up in competition. Youth football is too easy for him. Is he ready to make the jump to playing for one of the biggest clubs in world football? Only time will tell.
8.) 30 Sep 2019 19:14:01
Ole once again showing that his words and his actions have little in common with each other, he would rather play a half fit rashford rather than give the kid a chance to start.
9.) 30 Sep 2019 21:02:07
CSM - How old is Rashford?
10.) 30 Sep 2019 21:56:25
Doesn't matter how old he is, when you pick an experienced player who is clearly not fully fit ahead of a young inexperienced player who you have been hyping as a replacement for a 20 goals a season striker, shows how serious ole is about his youth. Every game lingard and Pereira show that they don't belong at man utd yet the next game it is those 2 always starting over gomes.
30 Sep 2019 15:18:01
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, The start of the season hasn't been what Manchester United supporters would have hoped
1.) 30 Sep 2019 17:18:13
I agree with a lot of that Shappy glad to see you realise now its a poor squad for the last 3 years you told me jose was not getting enough out of the squad that it was good enough to compete.
Getting 2nd with this bunch wad a massive over achievement. Its a really poor squad punctuated with a few good players.
What changed your mind?
Nobody else could steer this lot to 2nd. But 7 went in the summer and as you say another 7 or 8 need to go. Lots of work still to do.
Is ole the man to do it?
Id like to see him given 2 mite windows to get some proper football players in to represent the club.
2.) 30 Sep 2019 18:34:43
Ken, this might sound bizarre but I still don't think Jose was getting enough out of the squad. In hindsight 2nd looks a great achievement with the squad he had. Yet, I still feel that there was only one or two players you could say we're playing to their full potential under Jose.
Also this squad is significantly weaker than the squad he had. Having moved on several players with only youngsters taking their place. Not that I'm complaining about that, it's what I want. But there is a drop off depth between when those players leave and when the youngsters mature and become active first team members.
3.) 30 Sep 2019 19:05:07
The players moved on was because they were not good enough or didn't fit in shappy. So if it was joses fault pogba shaw ddg lindelof rash martial jessie fred mctom mata jones rojo romero pierrera were not playing better then it must be oles fault too yeah? Or are we to use a different criteria other than points gained
The fact is most are playing to their level or at least were when we came 2nd in fact they were playing above their level that season based on the last 18 months so kudos to jose for getting them 2nd all those players are now playing worse imo.
4.) 30 Sep 2019 19:10:07
Youngsters like the 80m Maguire the 50 awb abd 15m james tjat all look to be the best in the club in their positions.
I agree that its a very poor squad at the moment. I believe it will take time. I have no problem with that but let's not be afraid to say we should be doing a lot better than we have with what we have.
19 Sep 2019 12:10:05
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, What's Happened at Manchester United While I've Been on Holiday
1.) 19 Sep 2019 13:03:38
Good post Shappy, I agree about Dalot the right side is a huge problem. Mata and Lingard have both been given ample opportunity to play from the right with limited success. Pereira doesn't look suited to that position either and James looks far more comfortable and effective from the left. Pereira, Mata and Lingard all want to play inside which merely congests the middle of the park, inhibiting the space for our No10 and Pogba meaning we lack width and become unbalanced in the attacking third.
So far neither Pereira, Mata, Lingard or James have been effective from the right or from the No10 position in regards to Pereira, Mata or Lingard. Ole has resisted the temptation to play Greenwood or Gomes either from the right or at No10 and our attacking play has generally been lopsided and relatively easy to contain.
If Ole doesn't want to put too much pressure on our youngsters so early into the campaign maybe a change in formation maybe prudent.
I'm of the opinion we need to keep our best performers on the pitch so having either Rashford or James sat on the bench and competing for the left wing position seems counter productive to me especially with no viable or inform options either on the right or at No10.
Maybe a change to a 4-4-2 might be beneficial. The back 4 now picks itself as does the CM. James could play LW with Dalot on the right. Martial could drop slightly deeper into the second striker role as I feel he's better with his back to goal or on the half turn with Rashford up front. I think Martial could be very dangerous at picking the ball up in the half spaces or between the lines and dribbling at the opposition. With James and Dalot providing options out wide and Rashford in front we might just have more options and balance to the team. I also think James and Dalot would afford excellent protection in front of the full backs improving us defensively as well.
Something to consider I suppose and it safeguards Rashford and James from the graveyard position on the right whilst keeping them both in the team.
2.) 19 Sep 2019 14:21:10
442 could be an option, although I would have Martial as the furthest forward as he is better than Rashford with his back to goal while Rashford is better when he has space in front of him to run into.
Although we have on a few occasions played both Martial and Rashford as a front two and they've never quite clicked. Both prefer to play slightly to the left so they can come on to their stronger right foot. Which often has them playing in the same areas.
I'm always a fan of having at least one quality attacking option on the bench. So you have someone with quality to bring on to change a game, a top player with a point to prove coming on at around 60 minutes or so can completely change a game.
If we have James, Rashford and Martial all on the pitch and we are losing or struggling then we only have Lingard or Mata to come on and change it, or a young kid such as Greenwood, Gomes or Chong.
I'm hopeful of seeing Gomes play tonight, he is exactly the kind of player we are missing. A little magician who can unlock a deep defence. I think he could be the youngster who has the biggest impact this season.
3.) 19 Sep 2019 17:54:29
James left
Rashford cf
Dalot right would work nicely i think.
James is the best left winger we have imo
Rash the best cf imo
Might as well try dalot on the right the rest have proven pretty ineffective.
4.) 20 Sep 2019 07:33:20
442 would expose our central midfield badly.
I'd be tempted to use Greenwood on the right.
He has the natural instincts of a goal scorer.
02 Sep 2019 15:30:14
It is universally agreed that we have had a terrible start to the season. 5 points from a possible 12 isn't good enough any manager who is expected to challenge for the top four should be under serious threat of being sacked with a run of 5 points from 4 games.
Frank Lampard and Pochettino along with Ole are clearly out of their depth and it should be a race between them for who gets sacked first.
It could be argued that both Chelsea and Spurs have stronger squads than us, so its even worse for them to be on 5 points as well. They are also below due to lesser goal difference.
Glad we didn't go for the bottler Pochettino. Clearly doesn't have a clue.
1.) 02 Sep 2019 16:07:40
That first sentence is a bit Jane Austen-esque.
2.) 02 Sep 2019 16:28:34
🤣🤣🤣Is this another attempt to back Ole and give him an excuse for failure?
3.) 02 Sep 2019 16:34:54
Classic Shappy deflection.
4.) 02 Sep 2019 16:44:17
Poor humour to prove a point and a really bad comparison between those 3 and a bad attempt at justifying appointing a man that is clearly out of his depth.
To even include Pochettino in those 3 is completely ridiculous.
Pochettino is a proven manager with a very good record. Considering the amount of money is had at his disposal and all that he has managed to achieve, playing a very good brand of football, he is far and above OGS.
As Ed002 has clearly outlined, although Frank Lampard was brought in from a championship team, the framework that Chelsea has is far superior to our own and gives Lampard a much stronger base to work from.
Now, we have a manager that failed miserably at Cardiff, has novice experience and currently has a permanent manager record of 3 wins, 4 draws and 7 losses.
Whether or not you want OGS as manager here or not, your post was very disingenuous.
You can keep telling yourself all the good things about Ole, but you were quite quick to tell us and consistently tell us how wrong Jose was for United even though you were 'fully behind him'.
Time to start getting real Shappy.
5.) 02 Sep 2019 17:09:26
Shappy, the way you put spin on things a career in politics surely awaits.
I wander if Boris would be interested in appointing a 'Minister for Statistics'?
6.) 02 Sep 2019 17:52:31
Or maybe people need to gain some perspective.
United fans keep saying that Ole shouldn't be in charge and point to the results this season yet Pochettino a manager who many want to see be the United boss has the exact same record.
They say we have no chance of top four due to our results this season, yet two of our main rivals have the exact same record as us.
Just adding perspective.
7.) 02 Sep 2019 18:11:03
People who say Ole shouldn’t be in charge point out that his only top level experience ended with being fired by Cardiff, and his failure to produce results since Feb. Nobody is saying he should be sacked on the basis of this season’s performances.
8.) 02 Sep 2019 18:12:18
You are not adding perspective. You are just making silly noise.
If i were sours i would be asking questions of Poch 3 league wins in 15 is abysmal form. He needs to start winning games again. If that trend continues he will be fired make no mistake about it.
Im telling you now if poch only wins 3 of his next 15 matches at spurs he will be fired. If ole only wins 3 of his next 15 he will and should be fired.
Both need to reverse the trend if you think otherwise shappy you are being very very very naive.
9.) 02 Sep 2019 19:20:57
I think if our next 4 games reflect the last 4 games we may see Woody get twitchy.
10.) 02 Sep 2019 19:49:27
I agree ajh its a results business. Ole needs to reverse this trend simple as that if he first he will be fired.
11.) 02 Sep 2019 20:13:49
What perspective is that shappy, that draws against city and arsenal are now considered same as draw against Southampton and wolves?
12.) 02 Sep 2019 20:16:08
I've got two theories.
They're planning on selling hence the cost cutting going on, the reduced spending and having a manager that's sackable.
Or. They've realised the approach of the last 6 years has been totally wrong and that they need to hit the reset button, burn it down and start again. And Ole will get that time to do it.
13.) 02 Sep 2019 20:03:23
Honestly, I don’t see any wisdom is sacking Ole without a clear plan in place, but I can’t see him getting the results needed to keep his job with this squad.
At this point I don’t think any manager will succeed without a major restructuring of the club, and that has been resisted for years.
14.) 02 Sep 2019 21:18:29
Perspective 😂😂 it's a load of tosh, not perspective.
OGS is certainly no poch, and most definitely doesn't work within a structure such as Chelsea's.
If you're looking for perspective, check out his stats as manager against some of the lower teams. now that is scary and a wild dose of perspective.
15.) 02 Sep 2019 21:23:06
Mort, he won't get the time. OGS was an easy choice for ed and the board.
We look royally screwed to be honest. A mess from top to bottom.
16.) 03 Sep 2019 05:27:50
The squad quality of Spurs is much higher than of United.
They have a world class striker in Kane supported by top consistent players like Erikson, Alderweirald, Vertongen, Son etc, .
Any manager would struggle with this United squad.
Will Poch suddenly make Rashford or Lingard top forwards? I don't think so.
17.) 03 Sep 2019 06:07:03
TRD one could also say that poch or any other manager with brains wouldn't let his squad stripped the way ole's allowed it to be without demanding replacements. The reason lingard's playing is we didn't buy an AM. Rashford is our no 9 because ole the genius thought that Greenwood a 17 yr old kid playing his first season is enough to replace a 20 goal a season striker.
18.) 03 Sep 2019 06:17:11
TRD, so Poch is no better than OGS? 😂.
19.) 03 Sep 2019 06:49:13
TrueReddevil
Yet not long ago posters were saying Jose should be winning the league with this squad. In fact people like Shappy were continually critical, very critical of Jose, yet now it’s give Ole time, he needs loads of time. Giving loads of time to someone with insufficient experience is akin to saying give them more rope, the only thing is that the club will suffer. Ole has to go for the sake of the club and the sooner the better, I saw a quote saying Ole felt the owners had invested heavily in the club, if that isn’t out of touch and making him a yes man I don’t know what is.
Poch would structure this team far better than Ole, manage in games far better than Ole, attract players to the club far better than Ole. However, Shappy like many others is still caught up in the emotion of a playing hero as manager.
20.) 03 Sep 2019 08:56:20
Red Man,
Unless the structure of the club is not revamped, any manager is going to struggle.
CSM. The board failed Ole, or else we will be playing Bruno in place of Jessie.
21.) 03 Sep 2019 10:07:52
There are bigger issues TRD, yes. I've always said the structure will determine the success of the right manager. I feel that the anger will be directed at the right people this time. Everyone spent so much time blaming Jose the last time.
But a manager like Poch would be able to at least manage the pre match tactics more competently, manage the in game tactics competently and attract a better calibre of player. It's just a fact.
22.) 03 Sep 2019 10:17:41
Jose got time. LVG got time. Should Ole not get time as well? It's a results business and he'll pay the price if they don't improve, but if we're going down the road of young, British talent, then I can accept a certain degree of inconsistency along the way.
23.) 03 Sep 2019 12:38:58
Nou
The cv’s of LvG and more particularly Jose indicated they deserved to be given time. Ole is sadly very lacking in that department, plenty of DNA though. Giving some manager time then more time only works if they have what it takes to use the time wisely and successfully, Ole is an utter guess. What mess will the club be in if they give him loads of time and it just falls apart because he didn’t know what he was doing, perhaps it isn’t what mess the club will be in but what division.
24.) 03 Sep 2019 16:00:38
I don't think anyone is asking for loads of time. Just a fair crack at the whip. Jose's and LVG's cv's had a few warning signs in them as well ie. Trouble-makers, third-season meltdowns, prehistoric styles of football etc. Like I said, if there's no sign of progress on the pitch, as there wasn't with either of the previous two, then he'll pay the price.
25.) 03 Sep 2019 18:31:56
Nou
Not sure you appreciate what the risk is of a fair crack of the whip. There is a chance it can go right, probably a lot lot smaller chance than LvG or Mourinho, given his lack of experience, there is a far greater chance of it going wrong. What business puts its future on the line to extend time in that circumstance? If, as odds would suggest, it goes wrong, the downside could be disaster. Not every story has a happy ending. What is progress? If they look at the last 16 games, it is one of the worst runs in our history, it will make many very fearful.
Imagine there was a decent policeman, would they make him chief constable based on the fact he was a decent policeman? Then would they stick by him whilst the problems mounted up because he had never dealt with issues like he was expected to do before? It wouldn’t happen, yet it has at United.
26.) 03 Sep 2019 19:42:11
Pochettino shouldn't be even written in the same sentence of the other 2, its embarrassing tbh.
They are both out of their dept at 2 of the biggest clubs in Europe. Whether Lampard has the structure doesn't matter one bit, he will bite the dust like the rest of them next season if not earlier. Ole is of course even in a worse situation structurally and managerially, he has at least had a transfer window and has no excuses on the pitch. Until the right men are making footballing decisions Utd will continue to hire the wrong managers. So is it Ole's fault? Yes partly but also the CEO needs to take most of the blame.
27.) 03 Sep 2019 20:01:58
The policeman analogy doesn't work, Red Man. He would have no experience at Chief Con level, or any other management experience. Ole has been a manager.
28.) 03 Sep 2019 20:21:03
At Cardiff and a Norwegian minnow, not relevant experience and you know it.
29.) 03 Sep 2019 21:17:31
It's a damn sight closer a gap than constable to Chief Con! 😁.
24 Aug 2019 20:13:11
*Sorry, that sent by mistake as my dog bodged my hand while I was typing.
It goes to show what hard work off the ball can achieve. I think Pogba deserves credit for that as we often slate him every time he doesn't.
James's goal was wonderfully struck, and he was unlucky not to score with two shots at the back post which were blocked and saved.
Rashford's penalty will be a talking point, the only good thing is it will make several very vocal pundits look a little silly for their over the top criticism of Pogba this last week.
If anything, he hit it a little two well, if he slightly scuffed it, he would have scored. He always goes for power, just normally with a little better precision. It's a shame, and its annoying but everyone misses a penalty from time to time.
I thought the ref was awful and totally disagreed with the commentary that the ref had control of the game. I didn't think he had control of it at all. He made several big mistakes. I don't think any of them categorically changed the game, although now we will never know.
1.) 24 Aug 2019 20:35:12
Shaps I know you love a cliche, but he 'hit it too well' is right up there with the very worst of them.
He missed, end of story.
2.) 24 Aug 2019 20:41:57
Pogba lost the ball for the goal, he was on the floor when Crystal Palace were scoring.
{Ed047's Note - had he lost an earring?
3.) 24 Aug 2019 21:10:04
he was looking on his phone o make sure he had been paid this month.
4.) 25 Aug 2019 05:31:16
The Ref had a shocker.
Martial was pulled down so clearly.
08 Oct 2019 18:13:51
Personally I feel we need two midfielders, one more defensive to act as a shield in from of the defence and one more creative.
In and ideal world Declan Rice and James Maddison would be great options. But neither will be available in January and depending on how we do neither might be options next summer either.
Players available in January are few and far between and you often need to take a gamble on a player who isn't playing for his current club.
Eric Dier has his limitations but he would be an improvement on Matic in the holding role. Although he doesn't have the ceiling of a player like Rice who is arguably a better all round player now but has a lot of room for growth.
As for creative midfielders we need to know what kind of system we want to play. Do we want to persist with a 4231 type formation and look for a player who can find pockets of space to play in more akin to a No.10 or do we want a creative player who is more comfortable playing slightly deeper in a free 8 sort of role in a 433/ 4141 type formation.
If your looking at a No.10 who might be attainable in January then someone like Dani Olmo could be a good option. Whereas, if you want a creative No.8 then maybe someone like Donny van Der Been might be a good option.
Unfortunately we won't know this unless the manager situation is resolved one way or another.
06 Oct 2019 15:54:50
Ken, I really wouldn't want Rakitic around influencing the young players. Not a role model.
06 Oct 2019 12:03:20
Ultimately I think it comes down to who is available in January.
Players who might be our first choices such as Maddison, Sancho and Moussa Dembele are unlikely to be available in January.
However, by not replacing players in the summer we are now left with a squad not good enough to compete for our ambitions this season.
Therefore, if we are to dip into the winter market to look for a solution then we will likely have to consider players who we maybe overlooked in the summer, as these are the only players who will be available.
02 Oct 2019 13:11:07
Pogba knew the clubs situation when he joined, the playing squad isn't dramatically different to the one he joined.
He might have wanted to move to Real Madrid or Barcelona but neither club valued him at the price being quoted.
So he had a choice, he could either stay at Juventus (a team that was winning Serie A every season and challenging in the UCL) or he could move to us, a team that hadn't challenged for the league in a few years and had even failed to qualify for the UCL twice out of the previous 4 seasons.
He chose to join us, no doubt because his agent sold him the move and the huge hike in wages.
He chose money over glory, now he saying he wants to move again to win titles. Yet I suspect he would have second thoughts if moving to Real Madrid, Barcelona or back to Juventus meant a significant drop in wages.
He wants to make as much money as he can, and fair play to him. But if that is his main motivation then he won't ever fulfil the potential he has.
Ronaldo earns huge wages, but he isn't driven by earning money. He wants to be the best and he wants to be remembered as one of the greatest of all time. He has maximised his talent. We need players who have the mentality that they want to be the best they can be, not earn the most they can.
30 Sep 2019 11:58:40
I'd happily give Pogba a 600k a week contact.
100k basic with 500k performance related. Instantly solves his issues with consistency.
11 Oct 2019 14:54:33
I never said for anyone to stop posting, I merely suggested that it might be best to step back from a particular topic as we are clearly never going to agree and it's all starting to get out of hand.
When people start making it personal and calling a club legend derogatory names then it's getting out of hand.
Unfortunately for me the site has become more like a pessimist anonymous meeting where all positivity must be stamped out and you're only allow to be miserable and down beat. It's become toxic.
I don't know about you guys, but I watch and engage with football for enjoyment. Sadly what is on the pitch is limited at the moment. However, we can't change that. But we can choose to talk about more positive aspects of focus on those and try and find something to enjoy about our club.
Either way I don't come on here for this, I come on here to chat about aspect we enjoy about our club and for some good natured banter.
With that in short supply I think it's time I take a break from the site.
All the best guys.
11 Oct 2019 07:22:22
At this point it feels like Red Man has a personal vendetta against Ole. I think most regular posters would have known who wrote that post before they got to Red Man's name at the bottom.
The fact that he is prepared to dig through 5 years worth of articles in order to find something else to slate Ole with is frankly pathetic and everything that is wrong with modern football fans. Desperate to find some sort of "evidence" that they are right. Constantly barking out the same thing.
Red man, you are a long standing poster on here and one who's opinion I have always respected. I haven't always agreed with you but always felt you argued your point well. It's clear you love the club and care for its wellbeing deeply.
Yet I feel you might need to take a step back. 90% of your posts recently have been slating a club legend, a good guy who is only trying to do his best for the club he loves. How many people in a position of power at our club do you feel are doing the best they can out of love for the club? You've called him derogatory names time and again, and all he's done to deserve it is not be a good enough manager.
I agree I don't think Ole is good enough. But I'm not going to abuse him, he is trying his best and is doing it for all the right reasons.
You could literally dig up 5 year old articles on anyone and find negative ones.
I didn't see you last December posting articles from three years previous highlighting the similarities between Manchester United's situation and the final few months of José's reign at Chelsea.
You didn't do that because you rate Jose, maybe even have some affection towards him. Yet your doing just that now to Ole, a club legend. A man who gave almost his entire career to our club, a man's who genuinely loves our club.
That's why it's sad to see, your drive, your desperation to see our club succeed have brought you to the point that you are throwing a club legend under the bus.
I have always thought what set our club apart from others are our traditional values, our affinity with those who have given so much to the club. To see long standing fans turn on our own because of their greed for success is the worst thing about our current situation.
10 Oct 2019 22:47:31
Yeah, some posters are prepared to trawl though years worth of articles in order to find a new way to slate and degrade a club legend. How sad.
{Ed047's Note - I don’t see any slating of your club legend nor anything to degrade him.
Redman is simply pointing out your current manager is repeating the same mistakes he made before and in honesty no matter how much of an alleged legend he was as a footballer he is a hopeless manager.
10 Oct 2019 18:28:11
Mumbles, it does depend on what the club intend to do with the manager going forward.
However, under LvG we signed Herrera and Shaw who were targets under Moyes. We signed Bailly under Mourinho who was a target under LvG, then we signed Maguire under Ole who was a target under Mourinho.
That is four signings brought in who were targets under the former manager.
So the club have a history of doing it.
The most important signing for me isn't a striker in the summer but a top quality link player between the midfield and the forward line. Maddison would be the dream but he won't be available in January. Maybe Bruno Fernandes might be, or we could look to someone like Dani Olmo maybe.
10 Oct 2019 16:43:30
Mumbles, supposedly he is being rotated with Depay a lot. So there might be a little wiggle room to get him in January. We would have to pay a premium, but if he is first choice amoung the backroom team and he is available in January then we should try and get the deal done if possible.
In an ideal world we would sign our first choice options in January. Yet they are unlikely to be available, so we will either have to look at other options or wait until the summer.