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03 Dec 2023 12:53:13
Heard a rumour today that United and Barcelona are exploring the possibility of swapping Sancho and Raphinha initially on loan, but with a possible view to it becoming a permanent deal if it works out.

If there is any truth to this then I think its a possible deal that could work out for all parties.

United and Sancho need to part ways, while Sancho probably doesn't want to take a step down/ backwards.

United really need someone who can lock down the RW spot, and Raphinha was one of the best RW players while at Leeds.

Unfortunately for him it seems Xavi doesn't quite rate him, despite him playing well when called upon.

Stylistically I tend to think that Sancho does fit better in a side like Barcelona and Raphinha in a side like United.

I'd be pretty happy if the club managed to pull something like this off, what is everyone else's view?

Shappy

1.) 03 Dec 2023 15:28:02
I mean I’d be delighted if we can pull that off. But I can’t see it.


2.) 03 Dec 2023 21:44:52
Sounds like a computer game transfer to me.


3.) 03 Dec 2023 21:52:43
Would rip your arm off for that deal but it’s all pie in the sky.


4.) 05 Dec 2023 01:58:03
We could do with new negotiators, or they might come back from Spain with a bunch of Rapini.


5.) 05 Dec 2023 09:07:03
Shappy

Wishful thinking. Why would Barcelona do that. He will end up somewhere in Italy as that's generally the league players end up when they don't work out in PL. He is not good enough for any of the top 3/ 4 teams in Spain and unaffordable for any in the next tier.

Its one of those players who will be hard to shift unless we take a bath on the transfer.


6.) 05 Dec 2023 21:09:51
Rumours today it’s Rashford ??‍♂️.


7.) 09 Dec 2023 20:22:57
I’d be happy if Rashford went tbh along with Sancho. The pair of ‘em aren’t bad players, as long as they get their own way. We aren’t currently in a place where we can carry talented babies though, so I’d get radical and get rid of the pair.


 

 

08 Jul 2023 14:41:19
DDG is gone, club just wished him well and said goodbye on Twatter.

Shappy

1.) 08 Jul 2023 14:49:36
Great servant, but right time for MU and himself to move on, some of the replies made my blood boil though, clearly not fans but even still. he's got my respect and wish him well in his next venture.


2.) 08 Jul 2023 15:22:56
He's big, he's brave he's Spanish Dave
He makes great saves, he never shaves,
Flying through the air
Come and have a shot if you dare!

He indeed has been a great servant as well as a true professional in his behaviors. He will inevitably divide some on opinions, but no one can doubt some of the class saves over the years (Mata's freekick)

Ed002, what teams would be interested? Roma? Saudi clubs?


3.) 08 Jul 2023 15:43:50
Our best player over the last 12 years, gutted he is going but it is the right time for him and the club.


4.) 08 Jul 2023 15:22:56
He's big, he's brave he's Spanish Dave
He makes great saves, he never shaves,
Flying through the air
Come and have a shot if you dare!

He indeed has been a great servant as well as a true professional in his behaviors. He will inevitably divide some on opinions, but no one can doubt some of the class saves over the years (Mata's freekick)

Ed002, what teams would be interested? Roma? Saudi clubs?

{Ed002's Note - David De Gea (G) If Mr Mourinho stays at Roma, then perhaps interest. Perhaps someone in Spain or the Middle East. Manchester United have a list of potential replacements but want a new contract.}


5.) 09 Jul 2023 07:07:25
Good time for both parties to move on. Clearly looked very uncomfortable under ETH’s system. That being said, a brilliant keeper for us over the years. Wish him all the best. Italy seems an obvious move in the absence of decent Spanish interest - or of course Saudi!


 

 

28 May 2023 09:30:51
Heard a rumour this morning that United might look at Benjamin Pavard from Bayern Munich, as well as closely monitoring the situation with Ryan Gravenberch.

Bayern yesterday sacked their CEO Oliver Kahn and their Sporting Director Hasan Salihamidzic, possibly opening the door for some players to leave who might have been intending to stay under the previous regime.

Pavard would be an interesting option, capable of playing both CB and RB he'd be a very good option.

Gravenberch too has great potential but just can't get the game time he needs with players like Kimmich and Goretzka ahead of him.

Shappy

1.) 28 May 2023 09:50:18
Think Ed002 said that Pavard is reluctant to consider us because he wants to play primarily as a cb.


2.) 28 May 2023 11:30:14
A RB who can also chip in at CB is a good shout, as is Frimpong.
I think Bayern have a number of players who should be of interest. I assume the Mount thing has legs and if so that would probably kill off any interest in Gravenberch and De Jong, and what of Sabitzer.


3.) 28 May 2023 12:13:02
Interesting thread this and might have legs as we know Erik likes players who can play multiple positions to limit the impact of injuries in the squad.


4.) 28 May 2023 13:25:20
Back in February, it was reported that his expected fee this summer could be £26.8m because his contract is up next year - that would amount to a bargain.

That said, it's likely that Bayern would still want more than that for a versatile defender approaching his prime.

The problem is that he wants to play CB and there can be no assurances offered by United that he'll be first-choice ahead of Varane.
He can play RB, but he might be reluctant about coming to a club where that could be his only consistent option.
That does also render Barcelona as a questionable option given that the superior Kounde is already playing RB to accommodate other players.

Personally, I'd expect him to move to a Serie A club.


5.) 28 May 2023 22:50:42
We really need to be looking at Gravenberch. I’m not sure if he’s even available but if he is and a a low price it’s a no brainier. Le fee is another player I hope we take a look at.


6.) 30 May 2023 10:44:36
varane missed 14 league games, went off 6 times, efl only played 90 mins in the final missed 4 games and subbed off once. Class act but never been consistantly fit for games throughout his career. Any cb coming in would get a minimum of 25 games a season if fit/ available.


 

 

25 Apr 2023 19:27:31
Evan Ferguson signs a new deal at Brighton, I think that rules him out this summer unless someone pays way over the top for him.

Shappy

1.) 25 Apr 2023 23:11:49
I think its the right move for him and Brighton. he's best off staying at Brighton where he can develop and grow.


2.) 26 Apr 2023 10:04:02
Not good enough. May well be in the future, but not now. We need the finished article, nothing less.


3.) 26 Apr 2023 16:20:51
Syd, I disagree. He's better than both Martial (due to being fit and available) and Weghorst. Ergo if we signed Ferguson he'd be the best striker at the club.

I'm not sure the finished article is what we need. We have a 3-5 year rebuild project on our hands. Much the same that both Klopp and Arteta had when they took over Liverpool and Arsenal respectively.

We need to be signing players who will peak over the next 2-6 years, players who are already at their peak will likely start to decline by the time we are ready to seriously challenge and thus will need replacing again.


4.) 27 Apr 2023 01:20:13
Ferguson may well be better than Martial and Weghorst. But all 3 are not good enough.

We need a finished article. Nothing less. Finished article, Premiership proven Kane or Naples' Big Os.

If we are to challenge for the title next season, then they are the two options.

No more potential nonsense. Time to bring in the next best thing after Haaland. Greenwood/ Rashford as back-up.


5.) 27 Apr 2023 18:25:40
Syd, we won't be challenging for the title next season, we are too far behind Arsenal let alone City. While Liverpool wil likely bounce back next year as well.


6.) 27 Apr 2023 21:34:24
You think we're too far behind arsenal shappy?

I think this season of there's has been a one off. They've been brilliant as a unit in their first 11, but they lose one or two then they struggle as we've seen recently.

And whilst they have had some of the best players in the league this season. I think it's just that, this season.

Saka, Odegaard, Saliba who have been outstanding aside, the rest don't impress that much. Partey has been good, as has Martinelli. And xhaka also has surprise me in his importance to the team. There's no denying the quality and potential.

But again, in the ecstasy of a possible unexpected title win I think arsenal fans and the media have overhyped a lot of their squad.

Claiming partey as the best dm in the league, Ben White as the best rb and comparing saka to the likes of mbappe vini jr and Messi are all examples of them being overhyped.

And with them having such a young squad, will they be able to handle the disappointment of bottling the league? Will it make them stronger next season for experiencing the title race? Or weaker for losing out after almost all season at the top?

On top of that, city although unreal will again invest. Liverpool I expect to rejuvenate. I expect we will invest appropriately. And we may even see chelseas mish mash of a squad finally gel.

It could go one way or the other, very easily. They could build on it, or they could struggle to get top 4 next season.

With a raw manager and a young squad on the back of disappointment. I'd lean more towards a struggle for them next season.


 

 

02 Apr 2023 10:59:55
Ed002, I see on another page you said Manchester United have reignited their interest in Khephren Thuram. I was wondering what other midfielders are of interest to the club for this summer?

Shappy

{Ed002's Note - Something like this:
Joao Palhinha (DM), Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (CM/AM/DM), Taylor Booth (CM) - looking unlikely, Khephren Thuram (DM/CM), Marcel Sabitzer (CM) - chances are drifting away, Frenkie de Jong (CM), Jude Bellingham (CM) - very unlikely, Manu Kouadio Kone (CM/DM) - in discussions to move elsewhere, Mason Mount (AM) - unlikely, Mohammed Kudus (AM).}


1.) 02 Apr 2023 13:16:14
Fantastic, thanks.


2.) 02 Apr 2023 15:35:30
So that's 10 midfielders, none of whom are likely to move to us. Amazing. ????.


3.) 02 Apr 2023 17:36:00
Personally I think we need someone more on the defensive side, if they are a good ball carrier that would be a massive plus.

I think with players like Bruno, Eriksen, the young lad Hannibal as well as players like Sancho and Amad who can play as a No.10 I think we have enough creative midfielders currently.

However, the drop off in Quality when Casemiro is out is massive. While the futures of both Fred and McTominay are up in the air.

Maybe letting one of McFred leave and signing one of Palhinha, Thuram or Kone from that bunch would give us more balanced midfield options.


4.) 02 Apr 2023 21:40:04
We def need cover for Casemeiro but what top player wants to sign as cover? More importantly we need to sign a midfielder who drives the team on and won't accept the limp displays like we saw today.


5.) 03 Apr 2023 07:14:42
Salford, I think Palhinha might be difficult to sign as at his age (27, 28 in July) he'll want to play regularly. However, younger players like Thuram or Kone who will both be 22 by the start of next season have time on their side to learn from Casemiro and eventually replace the 31 year old.


6.) 03 Apr 2023 08:02:31
Sabitzer now looking unlikely?


7.) 03 Apr 2023 08:07:26
Who is the other club who is in talks with Manu Kone?

Very good all action player.


8.) 03 Apr 2023 08:53:08
Interesting to see the stance on Sabitzer, and the chances of signing him drifting away as Ed puts it.
How does everyone feel about the player, should we be looking to get him permanently? He's clearly an upgrade but has he done enough? I think it depends on departures more than anything.


9.) 03 Apr 2023 13:48:22
Spenno,

He’s an upgrade on our squad players but he’s never going to be first choice for us, I would be surprised if we signed him permanently or if he starts any big games once Casemiro and Eriksen are back.


10.) 03 Apr 2023 14:44:20
Spenno, I like Sabitzer, but he's not set the league alight since he's signed. In fact he's hardly started when Casemiro has been available.

Also at his age you'd imagine if he was to leave Bayern's bench you'd expect it'd be to be first choice somewhere, not to be another bit part player. At 28 he's at his peak, he should be playing every week.


11.) 03 Apr 2023 23:57:22
I think Sabitzer is the epitome of the term ‘bang average’ He does a bit of this and a bit of that, but ultimately he’s nowhere near good enough. In fact, he’s not much better than McTominay, if at all.


12.) 04 Apr 2023 14:21:27
Sabizer is meh for me, I've not seen anything other than a lot of effort.


13.) 04 Apr 2023 17:25:42
Definitely bang average. i haven't seen anything from him to be honest.


14.) 05 Apr 2023 20:05:30
I like Sabitzer. Tidy, does the basics well. Would be a good squad player for me. Obviously, he might not want that at this stage of career, but if we could get him fairly cheap, it's a yes from me.


15.) 06 Apr 2023 22:06:51
He’s definitely better than Mctominay, and it’s perhaps a little unfair to judge him on his first few games in a new league having not played too many minutes. He has started to look better in the last few games and popping up with goals and assists, he was one of the only ones with any credit from the Newcastle game, so maybe if he continues to improve we will look to sign him.


 

 

 

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Hidden Gem Players Manchester United Could Sign

13 May 2024 07:39:07
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12 May 2024 13:52:38
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1.) 12 May 2024 14:06:28
Bardghji is out with a long term knee injury, expected to return in Feb 2025.


2.) 12 May 2024 14:40:39
Surprised you didn’t suggest Luca Netz or Bradley Locko for LB tbf.


 

 

Evaluating Potential Manchester United Managers

12 May 2024 07:39:11
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, Evaluating Potential Manchester United Managers

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1.) 12 May 2024 11:19:58
Very good summary Shappy. I agree with your choice’s. I do also think the Crystal Palace manager has come in and done a great job as well, maybe a consideration. We are not the attractive proposition we one were but with a much better setup, fingers crossed it all comes together. We definitely need patience but if we can what see a clear plan, it will make a lot of difference.


2.) 12 May 2024 11:32:51
Glasner has had a great start to life at Palace, I'd want to see him over a whole season at Palace before judging him to be honest.


3.) 12 May 2024 11:57:15
I've said it from the start the best 2 options are Amorim and Potter they can both implement a style that the club can work to over time.

This is something I just don't see with people like Tuchel, Southgate, even Zidane.

I agree mostly with your review of de zerbi except I don't see any tactical nous, he has a tactic/ style which either works or it doesn't a little bit like ETH there's 1 way and it's never really adjusted for issues.

I've heard more about Amorim and the state of sporting when he came in to make him even more my first choice, ed has said not to get our hopes up but with other clubs not taking him we might have a chance still, I also think based on some of our transfer targets from eds list he's a good choice.

I do think the new set up are making a slight mistake not making it clear either way on the manager. If he's going at the end of the season just say that, make it clear to the players they're performances and attitudes are being monitored by Wilcox, fletcher, brailsford. If he's staying even more so it's better to say it as everything's falling apart and the questions are constantly about the manager you look daft saying it in 2/ 3 weeks time when there's no football.

Maybe there's a contractual or cash or a mix of both reason that's all I can think.


4.) 12 May 2024 13:31:19
They probably are DBrooks, just not airing their laundry in pubkic quite rightly. They all know they’re on trial by now surely?


5.) 12 May 2024 13:56:48
Eric just don't see the benefit anymore in not clearing up the manager situation he's not going before the end of the season that's clear.

If your keeping him you probably should have said a few weeks back saying it now or later looks a bit daft, if he's going stop the questions and let things settle a bit before the FA Cup final.


6.) 12 May 2024 18:28:30
Possibly. But maybe their first choice is no longer available for the time being, so making a wrong move and appointing a ten Hag replacement they didn’t really want would be a disaster. We’ve seen that with our squad when we sign our 3/ 4th choice.

Maybe it’s better off keeping him for now. Maybe they’ve just changed their minds which is also ok to do.


 

 

11 May 2024 11:05:18
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1.) 11 May 2024 11:57:32
Agree with most of that shappy, although I do think tuchel may be what we need at this moment in time. Up until after Christmas I would of been happy for ten hag to continue but I just don't think he has improved any player. His recruitment has been a massive let down and can't see him turning things around.
Interesting choice in the Bournemouth manager.
I don't know anything about the sporting manager but agree he should be high up on the list.
Southgate is a no for me but I've just got the feeling it will be him.
I wouldn't be against potter at all. I was impressed with how he built the Brighton team and he does have a good relationship with Dan ashworth.
Wants essential is if it's a new coach or ten hag, they need to be all in line with the new set up. A clear structure and plan and the team can go from there.


2.) 11 May 2024 13:12:47
Iraola is the interesting one of the list, probably a season or two too soon for him.

I don't think there is anything wrong with getting a 2-3 year manager like Tuchel. Let the new structure and staff settle in and get the players they want to suit the style they want to play, then getting in a longer term replacement who can coach that style.


3.) 11 May 2024 13:28:45
Shappy - I thinks that’s a pretty fair and insightful assessment pal.

Where do you stand on EtH?

I think when we consider EtH the most likely candidates should form some part of the discussion.

Southgate, Potter and Touchel are the names most strongly linked!


4.) 11 May 2024 13:43:37
Tom, I don't think there is any point in going for a quick fix "kick up the backside" type manager.

You can't rebuild while still trying to just skim a little plaster over the crack in a subsiding wall.

What advantage does hiring someone like Tuchel bring?

We don't have a squad capable of challenging so he won't win anything of significance in the short term.

He doesn't really have a record of developing and improving young players, so what happens with the likes of Mainoo, Garnacho and Højlund over the next couple of years?

He doesn't play entertaining or exciting football, or has a track record of settling the foundations for a long term playing style. He's fairly reactive and pragmatic as a coach, looking at how he can win the battle and not the war.

He has a record of falling out with CEO's, sporting directors and players. He hasn't got a record of really galvanizing a group of players and setting up clear standards or expectations to create a harmonious dressing room that are driven to work hard for eachother.

In which case what issue that we have does he solve?

When he'd invariably leave in 18 months time, he wouldn't have changed the atmosphere or issues in the dressing room.
He won't have won anything of significance.
He won't have set a clear and consistent playing style.
He won't have helped develop the younger players in the squad into the top stars. He may have even hindered their development with his negative, reductive approach (particularly as 2 of the 3 beat young players in our squad are offensive players) .

We'd be back exactly to where we are now, but just 2 years down the line.

Still needing the dressing culture fixed.

Still needing a clear style of play.

Still probably needing half the squad rebuilt to suit this new style of play.

Back more or less at square one, what is the point?

I'd rather have a young manager and 2 years outside of the UCL (if that was needed) to actually make real progress and to start to see our club turning around.

To have a culture at the club that demands excellence and has the highest standards. Players working hard and dedicated to becoming better players and a better team.

To have a clear style of play, ideally one in keeping with the Manchester United offensive, entertaining, style of football.

To have seen our young players develop into players on the cusp of becoming or even actually world class by that point.

To have been able to rebuild the squad in this image by steadily removing players who don't suit this new direction of the club, and by recruiting those that do.

Any new signings will struggle to succeed if they are being bought by the club to suit one vision, but are being asked to play differently due to a manager looking to constantly tweak the playing style/ tactics to win the current game and not embed a playing style. So even if the clubs recruitment is better under the new structure, if the manager isn't pulling in the same direction then the players will struggle to adapt to the club and perform to the best of their ability. Right players, right club, wrong manager.

If we replace the manager then it has to be a full reset, someone who perfectly fits the vision of the club, so everyone is pulling in the same direction towards the same goal.


5.) 11 May 2024 14:18:36
Problem is there is no obvious replacements at the moment, the English contingent, Potter would crumble under the pressure especially after his comments while managing Chelsea, Southgate would be more resilient, but is he the right choice, most seem to say no.

The others are all untested managing at club like United and could be chewed up and spat out during the transition period we see over the next few years.

Before we throw another manager to the lions, let's get our structure sorted, our backroom staff in place and the recruitment working.


6.) 11 May 2024 14:47:12
DLIB, at the moment I'd still keep EtH for next season. Give him a year with a proper set up around him and see what he can do.

Worst case scenario is he isn't up to it and you replace him next summer when his contract is up and you don't have to pay him 5-8m to leave.

While next summer, the new structure will all be fully in place, they will have time to assess what they want and who best suits that. Also they are probably in a better position to get the right guy in for the set up they have at that point.

It gives them time to plan it better and make any transition smoother, rather than rushed like it'd be this summer.

I'm not fully convinced by any of the options available, with some of the younger managers looking like probably the best option. Yet in a years time those managers will have another season under their belt, and a bigger body of work to judge them on, meaning that you can be more sure of who suits the project and who doesn't.

That said, the feel around the club is starting to get toxic again, the media and the online fanbase are starting to bay for blood. If things don't turn around quickly then it might be too late for EtH to be given a chance next season as the tipping point will have already been passed.

A heavy defeat tomorrow against Arsenal could finally put the writing on the wall. To be honest I don't see anything less than a 3-0 defeat at absolute best. Arsenal are arguably in the best form of the season, hardly conceding any chances and scoring for fun. While we just got humped by Palace and have absolutely no fit CB's to play.

I genuinely fear we could have a record defeat tomorrow, and if that happens it won't matter whether EtH has the ability to turn it around or not, the noise will become so deafening that it will become impossible for the club to give him that chance. He might not even make the FA cup final, possibly with McLaren taking over first team manager duties for the final game or so of the season.


7.) 11 May 2024 15:08:42
Problem is… THERE IS NO VACANCY lol :p.


8.) 11 May 2024 16:11:13
No spenno there isn't a vacancy. Oh wait on. Sorry he's gone and he knows it and so the players. ken has told them, and us multiple times. ?.


9.) 11 May 2024 16:44:24
Spenno and Fizz, while there is no vacancy atm, and personally I'm still in the give EtH another year camp, the reality is that the managers position is very likely to be available this summer.

Looking at how the new co-owners have started to clear shop with the backroom team it would be surprising if they happened to feel the current manager was the best man for the job.

While the current form of the team, the results and the general building of a feeling of unhappiness with the manager seems to suggest that it's highly likely that EtH will not be Manchester United manager come the start of next season. Whether you're for him or against.


10.) 11 May 2024 18:23:04
That's all fair points on tuchel. I just feel he would do a good job, don't know why just a gut feeling.
Like I say I was all for backing eth until after Christmas. I just can't see him getting a tune from these players.
My preference would be potter but has he got the personality for the job? I'd like to think he would grow into the job knowing he had time and the backing of the new football structure.
To be honest I'd be happy with a coach who got the best from the players available and had a clear vision which was in line with wilcox and ashworth and who ever else we appoint.


11.) 11 May 2024 19:00:52
You'd think SJR and his team would have gauged the feeling amongst the majority of Utd fans in being totally underwhelmed by the thought of Southgate being appointed.

I'm not saying clubs should be ruled by what fans think by any means, but you'd think if ETH does go then the new leadership structure would want to start off on the right foot with an appointment that the fans could get behind, or at the very least not be apathetic towards.


12.) 11 May 2024 21:10:47
Has EtH been sacked? .


13.) 11 May 2024 23:24:03
I don’t think any established manager would want the job realistically would they? Half the squad are pish poor and the likes of Zidane/ Mourinho/ Tuchel/ Conte etc usually prefer established players and wanting to compete for titles. Given recruitment is meant to be leaning more towards younger players I’m not sure any of them would get the signings they’d want in or the club would have to pivot from their plan from the start.

Then the younger up and coming managers, they might be tempted by the job if they feel like they’re sort of immune from the sack whilst the squad is turned over etc. Else why risk a promising career and potentially end up like Potter at Chelsea. Tainted by a job that was impossible and sacked despite being promised time to fix things and establish a culture.


14.) 12 May 2024 01:00:05
You can't keep EtH but not back him (extend contract, continue ue to buy players to suit his style of play) as the player power nonsense will not go away if they believe he is always standing on the presipice.

I would give him a 2 year deal and commit that the club is going to commit to the reset that is necessary and actually seeing it through.

If there is no improvement you can still pull the trigger on a new manager if the new management team have seen enough.

Whatever they do, I hope they can move quickly and efficiently. Sick of seeing the media feasting on our entrails! can't wait to have the club and fan base pulling in the same direction again.


15.) 12 May 2024 09:45:47
Tom, that's kind of the nexus of the problem any manager will have at Manchester United.

We have a disjointed, Frankenstein squad that isn't suited to playing any specific style of play.

That means the manager (whoever that is) has one of two choices.

1. They try to impart a style on the squad knowing full well that a large majority of them won't be able to play that style to the required standard. That means performances and results will be very inconsistent. The aim isn't to win in the short term but to develop a playing style. That will take a couple of season's while the squad is rebuilt to suit that style. That probably means taking a step back and a season or two of not getting top four while that new style in developed and the squad built to suit it.
I know some people will say other managers have managed to impart their style quicker at other clubs. Yet the reality is that they have a squad that is for the most part capable of playing their style and they have been hired because they suit the squad the club has.

2. The second option is to be pragmatic, to try and get the results by changing your teams style and tactics on a game by game basis to suit the players you have and to mitigate the strengths and take advantage of the weaknesses of the opposition. This will probably get you more consistent results in the short term but long term isn't improving the team or developing a specific playing style.

Looking at the club and the fanbase it's funny how things flip.

At the start of last season EtH tried to impart his style on the team, the first option, and we lost the first couple of games as he didn't have a squad capable. He then changed tac and went with the second more pragmatic option. We got results and finished 3rd and made two cup finals.

Personally I think EtH realised quickly that he needed to get results and he didn't have the squad to play his style in the EPL.

Yet the fans complained that we hadn't really developed a style of play, something they wanted and hoped for when we hired EtH.

This season there seems to be a change in approach, maybe the manager hoped with a few more signings he could start to impart his style more effectively. Either way he has chosen to stick to his guns this season and keep going with the project and trying to impart his style on the team. While we would have likely still been inconsistent as he doesn't have the squad to play his preferred style to the level needed, the injuries have had a massive effect, totally undermining any chance of getting a consistent run of games together with the core players he needs to play his style of play.

Here is where the fans impatience has caused a flip, those same fans who were crying out for a specific style of play to be developed in the team are the same ones now saying that the manager needs to be more pragmatic and play a way that suits the players he has.

It's a damned if you do, and damned if you don't position for the manager and why until the fans as whole fanbase wise up to what needs to happen.

If you want us to rebuild and become a power in football again then we need to strip it back. We need to start to impart a style, we need to rebuild the squad and that will take YEARS, not weeks, not months, not even just one season.

We will need at least two whole seasons of recruiting players to suit that new style AND attempting to play that style every week, in every game regardless of results or performances.

If that means two seasons finishing somewhere between 10th and 6th then that is what is needed.

It means as fans we will be the butt of jokes from other fans, it does mean we will have to watch many bad losses, inconsistent football and be okay with being frustrated.

It's a long road and we will need patience to see it through, we can't just abandon the project because we feel we haven't seen enough progress after a few months, or even after 18 months.

To be able to consistently play a specific style of play to a high level you need 14-18 players who are both well suited to play that style and of the right quality to play it at the level needed to compete at the top.

We might have 4-6 players currently that fit both those demands. If we get our recruitment right this summer then we might have 10-12 players capable, which means we will still be inconsistent next season. If we get the recruitment right the following summer then we might have 16-18 players that fit the demands for the start of the 2025/ 26 season.

Yet they will still need to bed in and find their feet so towards the end of that season you might start to see it coming together more consistently.

Like I said though that would require a near miracle in getting all of our recruitment right, 10-12 signings over two summers where every single one is a success and none of them flop or fail to live up to expectations.

That probably unrealistic, if 80% of your signings are a success then you will be the most successful side that summer. Which means it's more likely to take three summers to get the squad we need to play a specific style, consistently to the level needed to get us competing at the top end of the league.

Which means probably towards the back end of the 2026/ 27 season before we see us playing a good style of football, consistently to a high level.

Like I said it's going to be a long and hard road, and the fanbase needs to get on board with it. They need to learn to accept that, gain some resilience and patience. To support the club through thick and thin, and there will be a lot of thin over the next 2-3 years.


16.) 12 May 2024 10:02:02
Nou, the needs to strike that balance between keeping the he fans onside while also not listening (or taking to heart) a single thing they say.

Individuals can be extremely intelligent, groups of people are always stupid.

Listening to the crowd and is a sure fire way to failure.

There is loads of research into group dynamics. It's that mop mentality that kicks in in large groups, where the loudest and most aggressive voices rise to the top and the rest follow. It is in group situations where people often commit the worst acts. They do things in a group that they would never do on their own. That is why we get violence at football games and why decent, good people end up chanting about and mock the dead in the terraces. The vast majority of these people would never say those things when on their own.

Oddly we are seeing this group mentality even filter through online. Polarised opinions, and keyboard warriors. There is no middle ground, you have to pick between two extremes of opinion. If you try to stay neutral you get hounded out, if you are slightly to one side or the other you are put into the same category as the extremists of that view.

In terms of the current manager debate, it is practically impossible to back the manager and also accept or even discuss mistakes he has made without people trying to push you to one of he extremes.

If the club listens to or even tries to appease fans then the club is doomed. They need to hire the best people for the job and back them. The fact that most fans think they know more about football than the current manager or any football manager just proves the point.

If you'd listen to a manager tell you why they made a decision but then ignore that because John down the pub who once played Sunday league thinks he knows better so you'll sack the manager then you are letting the lunatics run the asylum.

The club needs to communicate better with fans 100%. They need to keep fans clued in as much as possible about the club so that the fan opinion is as informed as possible. That should stop a lot of the unhappiness and the misconceptions that fans have that drive that discontent.

Yet they should never listen to and act on what we say. As individuals for the most part we have common sense, intelligence and a decent grasp of our club. But as a group we are a pack of baboons.


17.) 12 May 2024 10:16:07
Fuser, I don't think it makes sense to hire an established manager. We are 2-3 years away from being in a position to actually challenge for major honours and none of the established managers will be willing to stick around that long without being able to truly challenge.

We need a project manager, someone willing to put the work in now without any expectation of a pay back for years.

We are better off with a younger, idealistic manager who wants to impart a style and build something for the long term. Because as a club we won't win anything of not until 2027 at the earliest I suspect, if not later. The manager needs to know that and the be the one to start building towards that. They will need to have personality and an unwavering strong mentality as they will have to deal with all sorts of negativity from the press and the online fanbase. They may even have to endure being booed in their own stadium. All without cracking or wavering from the plan. They will be called deluded and have their ability questioned time and again. They may even become a laughing stock, yet they will still need to stick to their beliefs and the plan.

Klopp was labelled "Flopp" during his first two seasons at Liverpool. Yet now he's regarded as one of the best managers in the world.

Arteta suffered the same, was made a laughing stock, mocked, questioned and derided. Yet he stuck to his guns and the club backed him and now he's considered one of the best managers in the league. Someone who can rival Pep through playing a similar brand/ style of football, on a smaller budget.

The next manager will suffer the same as EtH is suffering now, he'll probably have to suffer worse.

We need a young manager whose ideals match the clubs, and who has that gritty unwavering mentality.

I actually think EtH has that mentality, that ability to come out to the press and believe he is right and that he knows more than the journalists and fans about what is going on at the club and what is best for the club. That belief in himself and the project. Does his football philosophy match what the club wants who knows. If it does then he could be a success with the right structure. If not then it's best he and the club part ways and we find the right man.


18.) 12 May 2024 11:21:21
Shappy, pretty sure I said no experienced manager would want the job didn’t I? Also said a younger manager could be tempted if the higher ups will stick to their plan and not sack him if the results aren’t great initially.


19.) 12 May 2024 13:07:52
Fuser, it's not about whether they would want the job or not, I don't think that profile of manager makes any sense for us to hire at this stage.


20.) 12 May 2024 20:11:47
I am less concerned about the manager thn i am the structure above him being right. If the right people are running the show the will find the right man for their vision. I don't care of I haven't heard him, if we start moving towards an end vision I will be happy evening that means a step or two backward due to having to clear out dross and bed in youngsters who will eventually make it.


 

 

06 May 2024 22:56:02
I'm not sure what people expected tonight.

Our back four included Casemiro who is badly showing signs of decline in his best position let alone being forced to play in a different position. With a 36 year old Evans alongside him. At LB we had AWB who isn't even good enough to start for us in his best position.

Protecting that back four was a 19 year old kid who has less than 20 starts to his name, along side a player with a pacemaker also playing out of position and unable to play for more than 60 minutes.

Further forward we have a 20 year old striker whose adapting to the league. Mount making what his 4th start due to injuries, and Antony who 100% has a fake passport. Brazilian my arse.

Then looking over to the bench for support and who do we have?

Amad and Amrabat were the only outfield players with a start for us. Wheatley the only one of the five academy lads with any minutes for the first team at all, and a couple of goalkeepers to make up the numbers.

This squad is absolutely bare bones, with it's ragged arse on the floor.

Palace were the home side on a bit of a positive bounce under their new manager.

We were never going to get much from this game, and I'd defy any side in a similar situation to do much better.

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1.) 07 May 2024 01:29:21
Again I do not think anybody was expecting anything other than some desire and effort which was again lacking.

We have a 20 year old adapting to a league yes, but he will be 24 and adapting unless we give him some service to learn from!

He could have brought one of the youngsters on for some minutes instead of Amrabat. We may need them if the injuries continue and risk going into FA Cup with players on their first senior start.

Nothing else to say. Nothing can be said. Hard times.


2.) 07 May 2024 05:39:59
There so many that were just poor. when you get hammered like this its not just one or two players. 5 or 6 who were just awful. Some of the players have to go and just terrible to watch as footballers. Poor touch, passing, decision making and positioning all game.

Good palace team and that front 3 was always going to run circles around our back 4. the midfeilders all collectively were so poor and did not help a make shift back 4. Garnacho and dalot only players who did not embarrass themselves.

Elephant in the room but going to say Hoiland is poor and so far off a striker leading the line.


3.) 07 May 2024 06:09:39
I expect the manager to learn from his tactical mistakes and still sending the team out to do the same thing every game and end up conceding the same way.

I get what your saying barebones squad always a struggle no legs lots of players out of position.

So why play 2 high 8s still? Why force your fullbacks high or invert them? Why make your wingers so narrow and easy to mark?

Yes I didn't expect much yes the players didn't deliver much, but the manager has continued with a tactic and style that's been found out even when the majority of the first team play it what did he think would happen when the team put out last night tried to play it, we all expected it why didn't he?


4.) 07 May 2024 06:15:36
Perhaps Shappy when we are short of CB we look at why yet another injury to one was picked up in training. Surely at this stage of the season knowing the CB situation you wrap up what you have in cotton wool to get them from game to game, but not ETH. Maybe you will talk about tactics, as dictated because that first goal would not have been conceded in most Sunday pub teams. We didn’t get behind the ball, surely we should know how to set ourselves.


5.) 07 May 2024 07:20:13
Pretty much sums it up Shappy. We are not the Manchester United of old.


6.) 07 May 2024 11:25:49
Your right wazza and with eth at the helm we will nene get back competing. He is not the right manager.
Can you name the good players he signed for ajax and Manchester United.


 

 

 

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30 May 2024 13:13:39
Utd Road, Olise is a French under 21 international, he does count towards the homegrown quota though having been born in England and spent his entire career in the English football system. I wouldn't want to label him with a specific nationality though.

I don't think many fans have clocked on to the issue in our squad in terms of homegrown players. Many of the ones who'll be leaving in the next couple of years are homegrown (Heaton, AWB, Evans, Maguire, and McTominay) . While the likes of Shaw, Mount and Rashford are not certainties to be here long term. That's 5 of our current 8 homegrown players likely to leave within two years. That means we NEED to sign at least a couple of homegrown players this summer. Which probably explains the stronger links to the likes of Branthwaite, Guehi, Tosin, Olise, Toney and even tentative links to the likes of Adam Wharton, Archie Gray and Jobe Bellingham. How many are available and would be good enough to be in the first team means that players like Branthwaite and Olise might be pushed up the priorities list due to them being both homegrown and good enough to be first choice. There are good alternatives available for less, players like Todibo, or if we wanted a left footed CB Arthur Theate from Rennes would be an astute signing, while on the RW Johan Bakayoko from PSV has massive potential. Yet none of them count as homegrown, and we need more homegrown players in our squad.

In terms of Olise, I think he'd be an excellent signing, he ticks all the boxes for me. Young, talented, the right profile of player, proven in the EPL, counts towards homegrown quota, and should be available for a reasonable price given the market due to a clause in his contract. The only concern for me is his injury record is worrying. That said given Garnacho and Amad will still likely be in the squad and available, any injuries to Olise would just open up chances to our younger players.

I'm not against signing Olise at all, I just feel that in an ideal world there are other positions that need to be sorted first, primarily defence and midfield. I'd be signing 2 CB's, 2 deeper midfielder and a LB before looking at the RW. That for me is where we could see the biggest improvement. As said before attack wins you games, defence wins you titles. I'd be looking to build a solid defence who can grow and develop together over the next few years as my first priority this summer. Then it'd be getting a couple of midfielders to support and work with Mainoo to settle our midfield. The heart of the team very much dictates how the team play, or at least how they can play. Until we have a settled defence we will struggle with consistency in results, and until we get a settled midfield we will struggle to consistently use a successful playing style with good performances.

That's five signings straight off the bat. While none of them address the fact we only have Hojlund as a recognised striker. I've been impressed with Bruno playing as a false 9 over the past few games, and it looks a position he could play more regularly if needed. yet it's not a tactic that suits every game, so we'd still need an alternative to Hojlund to allow him time to rest and space to develop. This position is also probably more important than RW.

However, Olise is going to be available, in a position of need, at a reasonable price and ticks the homegrown box. The issue is I don't think 7 signings this summer is feasible, certainly not if we are paying fees for all of them.
Maybe moves for the likes of Tosin and Welbeck on frees would be prudent. Both fill positions of need and fill the homegrown quota. That also frees up funds for big moves for the likes of Branthwaite and Olise.

Which would leave us needing to still sign a couple of midfielders and a LB ideally. Can we find good value options in the market? Rayan Ait-Nouri would be my ideal LB signing, but again he'll be expensive, maybe moves for players like Melvin Bard or Bradley Locko might be good, cheaper alternatives. Likewise many would like to see Amadou Onana sign for the club (I'm less convinced, I'm not sure about his ability on the ball) . again however, he'd prove to be very expensive, so it's a question of can the club find cheaper but equally as good or potentially as good alternatives. Maybe someone like Youssef Fofana from Monaco would be a prudent signing, one year left on his deal and a regular for the French national team. He could be available for 20-30m which in the current market and given his ability is a bargain. Or someone like Morten Frendrup currently playing for Genoa. A young, tenacious ball winner who is better on the ball than his stats would suggest. Capable of playing as either a No.6 or a ball winning No.8, and has even played at RB when needed, which would help in terms of coverage for us. Or we could take a chance on a younger player like Oscar Zambrano or someone like Guido Rodriguez who while 30 years old, is available on a free, or Adrien Rabiot another available on a free.

Either way we will need our scouts to earn their crust this summer and unearth some players with great potential who won't cost the earth. Players who can come into the squad with lesser expectation on them, but who can rise to the challenge and prove themselves capable of playing at the level we need. We are often linked to many of these players, but we tend to take a back seat and let them move to other clubs that could be seen as a "stepping stone". Only to be back in for them 12-24 months later at 10 times the fee that club paid for them.

That approach might make sense if you are a top club competing at the highest level for top honours. That's an environment where you don't really have the time or space to give a player the chances they need to develop and step up to that elite level. That's a position where the club needs to sign elite players who have proven they are ready to step into that level and make an immediate impact.

However, that is not where we find ourselves currently, we are a top club in name, but not in performances or results. We need to rebuild, and that takes time. It actually makes sense for us to buy those younger players who still have to step up and prove themselves. Then give them the game time they need over the next couple of season's to do so as we develop and improve as a team. Let them grow together as a squad.

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30 May 2024 10:57:24
Utd Road, has his man management been an issue?

Surely it's almost impossible to accurately judge from the outside.

We have known for a long time that this squad needed more discipline, and that is exactly what EtH has brought. Discipline and accountability. He seems to have been fair and consistent with his discipline as well, with everyone who has crossed the line facing consequences for their actions.

He's dropped key players for being late, and he's stood up to players who have been overstepping the mark and dealt with them.

At the final whistle on Saturday he had all the players coming up to him to celebrate with him, they handed him the cup despite him trying to let them keep it. There certainly didn't seem to be any issues between the players and the manager. While reports since have suggested that the players want the manager to stay next season.

Again that doesn't sound like a man who has alienated his players or a playing squad that doesn't want to play for the manager.

Tactically I think EtH is very good, he clearly really knows football and can come up with tactics that almost completely nullified City (arguably the best team in the world right now) .

Looking at the tactics last season and this season something has clearly happened at the club. Last season EtH regularly changed his tactics to suit the players he had and to counter the oppositions. And he was fairly successful with it, making two finals and finishing 3rd. However, the one complaint many fans had was that we didn't have a clear or distinct style of play.

That was something the tried to install at the start of the season but for several reasons it didn't work.

This season however has been very different. We have tried to stick to the same game plan, to install a style of play. EtH even stated at the start of the season he wanted us to become the best transitional side in the world. He set his stall out and he stuck to it.

Now those same fans who complained that we didn't have a distinct style of play last season are complaining that we didn't changes things enough tactically this season. Sounds like some people want to have their cake and eat it.

The issues with inconsistent performances this season are more likely linked to the inconsistency of team selection due to injuries as much as they could be put down to a lack of motivation or determination.

Rashford aside, the majority of players have seemingly played with a good level of motivation and drive this season. They have been lacking in quality and in match fitness/ sharpness, which has led to individual mistakes that have cost us goals.

Besides, a professional sportsman shouldn't need motivating to perform 99% of the time. If they haven't got that mentality and drive then they wouldn't be able to make it as a sportsman at an elite level in the first place.

Loads of super talented kids never make it as a professional, and that is nearly always down to mentality. They lack the drive, fight and determination to push themselves to make it.

If we have players who don't have the mentality to give 100% all of the time then we need to ship them out, it shouldn't be down to a manager to motivate professional players to try their best.

Objectively EtH has won two cups in two years with the worst Manchester United squad in nearly 40 years.

Yes there has been inconsistencies in the league, which is fairly easily explained by the lack of quality in our squad. When we have to rotate the quality in the team drops, as does performance and results suffer. League performance is really a measure of a teams consistency across the season. The most consistent teams will finish near the top, the least consistent near the bottom.

Likewise our struggles in the UCL (the elite club football competition) is equally linked to a lack of quality in our squad. This season that was compounded by injuries and individual errors that cost us qualification from the group stage.

Ultimately I don't actually think EtH's competency or ability will play a big factor in whether the club decide to keep him or replace him. He has shown at Ajax and with two cup wins at United that he has the requirements needed to be successful at the club, and his limitations at our club are linked to the clubs ability to support him and provide a structure that can be successful.

What will play the biggest factor in whether he stays or goes will be whether he fits the clubs plans and whether he is willing to fit into those plans. Does his tactical philosophy align?
Does his ideas about youth development align?
Does his idea of his role at the club match up to what the club want from a manager?
Is he prepared to work in a structure where he gets less say on transfers and is more focused on working on the training ground?
Finally, does his personality blend well with the new people he will be working with. If he clashes or cannot work cohesively with people like Wilcox then it won't work out.

These are the questions that will ultimately decide his fate. If his tactical and youth development ideas match up with the club then that increases his chances of staying.

If he's prepared and happy to work in the clubs new structure and accept a revised role to the one he's had over the last couple of seasons then he will likely keep his job.

If he has had good conversations with the new people he has to work with, and shows promising signs of a positive working relationship then he will stand a great chance of keeping his job.

These are the things that will decide if he stays or goes this summer, not what he has achieved in a broken structure that SJR himself has said has made it impossible for anyone to succeed.

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30 May 2024 06:25:12
Redseven, I think it comes down to priorities.

Do we need a keeper more than a CB?

Do we need a keeper more than a CDM?

Do we need a keeper more than a ST?

Do we need a keeper more than a RW?

Do we need a keeper more than a LB?

There's five positions where we are almost definitely in greater need of reinforcement than at goalkeeper. While in some of those positions (CB and CDM) you could easily argue that we need a couple of signings in each position.

Meaning we could/ should be looking to sign 6-7 players BEFORE we need to sign a keeper.

I get that some people aren't entirely convinced by Onana, yet he's actually a very good keeper. He has one of the best save percentages in the league despite facing more shots than all bar one keeper this season. He is prone to the occasional gaff, but the logic is that if we improve the defence in front of him and reduce the amount of work he has to do then we will reduce the number of opportunities he has to make a gaff.

I'd expect to see Onana as first choice next season, partially because we have far more pressing priorities elsewhere in terms of player signings, and partially because I don't think he's been given a fair crack this season given the shambles that has played in front of him.

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29 May 2024 15:37:30
Personally I'd rather keep EtH for another year, but if the decision is to part ways then of those three I'd prefer Pochettino.

Tuchel has the best record, but has a habit of falling out with people. He's also far too pragmatic for me and doesn't have the best record with developing young players.

De Zerbi plays good football, but is very inflexible in terms of his tactics. He also doesn't tend to stick around long, often jumping ship the moment he thinks a better club is interested in him.

Pochettino plays decent football, and has a good record with young players. However, ultimately he seems to struggle to take a team across the line. His sides seem to lack that steely winners mentality, often crumbling when in sight of the finish line.

However, of the three given the younger players in our squad I think Pochettino looks the best fit.

Oddly though I feel like if we signed Pochettino instead of EtH then the current ownership would still be looking to replace Pochettino, with EtH a likely candidate if he was still doing well with Ajax. It feels more like they are looking to replace the manager to bring in their own man rather than because the current manager doesn't have the requisite skills. Strange old world.

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25 May 2024 12:55:34
Ed025, it's not the be all and end all. But at a club like United the ability to manage the press is very important.

Obviously there are other aspects as well. They have to be tactically intelligent, have the ability to develop and improve players, the ability to work within a certain club structure, and to get results in the EPL.

All things I think Frank has shown he is more than capable of.

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30 May 2024 15:48:49
Ports, I think it much simpler than that. It's nothing to do with mediocrity or whose settling for it.

Since the FA cup win there has been far more support for giving EtH another season. While for those who have shouted loudest for his removal the obvious stick to beat him with is that we didn't qualify for the UCL. So that's now the rally cry for the call to arms and for the removal of his head.

It's nothing more than a slight whimper of fear that all the positivity around the manager since the FA cup win might influence whether he keeps his job. Would the new owners really want to announce their arrival by making an unpopular decision to sack the manager after a great FA cup win? Those that want him sacked and have felt confident that he would be suddenly have a glimmer of doubt, a sinking realisation that they might have to accept him as manager next season. God forbid he stays, does well, gets a new contract and eventually wins a title or UCL down the line. The embarrassment of getting it so wrong would be overwhelming for them.

So driven by that fear they feel the need to bang the drum to try and turn the tide back against the manager.

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30 May 2024 14:01:03
Red Man, no one is saying we should accept not finishing in the top four and competing in the UCL.

Just that winning trophies is ultimately what it is all about.

Do you tell stories to your kids and grandkids of United merely playing in the UCL, or do you tell them stories about winning cups and lifting trophies?

When you're lying on your deathbed (hopefully in many, many years time) if any thoughts of the club come to mind I expect it'll be remembering winning the treble, or when you witnessed the club win a trophy, not that season we played half a dozen UCL games before being knocked out.

Football is all about those joyous moments, those great and memorable moments, with winning silverware right at the top of those.

I'd rather win a cup every year than finish 4th and win naff all. That's my personal take. I suspect that most United fans would have the same opinion, if not now, they would after 10 years of 4th placed finishes and no cup/ title wins.

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30 May 2024 13:52:46
Ken, of course you have to be in it to win it. Yet the reality is there is only one winner of every competition and 19-50 odd losers typically depending on the competition (league, group stages and qualifying stages of European competitions, the FA cup has 124 teams compete for it) .

Obviously there are exceptions and there are cases where an unfancied team defy the odds and win the tournament. However, these are rare.

We overcame the odds to beat City in the FA cup after all. But that's a one off game, to have that chance you need to win your way through the entire tournament to get to that final. In an elite competition like the UCL that's very difficult as you will face many sides currently in a better position than yourself, and you have to defy the odds multiple times.

Our FA cup run to the final came from beating Wigan, Newport County, Nottingham Forest, Liverpool and Coventry.

Only one of those sides finished above us in the league, one of them is a Championship side, one a league one side and one a league two side.

Newport County pegged us back to 2-2, Liverpool was a classic with a 4-3 win, while Coventry pegged us back to 3-3 with us winning on penalties. we beat Forest with a 89th minute winner, with only the 2-0 victory over Wigan looking like a routine win against a club further down the football pyramid than ourselves.

That's the luck of the draw, only coming up against one team that is better than us on route to the final. While you can only beat the side in front of you.

In the final we played really well, a great performance, without doubt our best performance all season, and it secured the cup.

Winning cups can cover up a multitude of sins, it can also be a springboard onto bigger and better things. At the very least it gives the club some breathing space, sating the appetite from fans for a while as the club regroups and starts to rebuild.

I also never said I wouldn't sign for the club, I said that if I was an agent I'd advise against it to a client. I stand by that statement. Forget the name of the club, would you in good faith recommend to a young player who you represent to sign for a club that hasn't competed at the top for a decade and has suffered a lot of turmoil with regular changes of direction and manager, along with poor record of developing and improving players over that time?

Absolutely not. I probably would recommend signing for that club to an older player who is in decline if that was the biggest offer on the table. Although I'd still be clear with them about what they were signing up for.

Maybe that opinion is starting to shift now with INEOS coming in and the structure and running of the club is changing. Although I'd still ideally wait until next summer to see how those changes start to pan out. There is a promise of change right now, but no measurable evidence yet.

Shappy

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30 May 2024 13:17:26
Highly unlikely to happen in my opinion. Both Red Bull Leipzig and Salzburg compete in the same European competitions, while Man City and Girona will both be allowed to compete in the UCL next season.

Yet it is only Manchester United that are being suggested in the press as being banished, maybe because United garner more attention, get more clicks and sell more papers.

I highly doubt it'll be an issue.

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30 May 2024 11:21:32
We played in the UCL this season, who thinks our performances in that competition would have attracted many top players to sit up and think about playing for United?

UCL football has two benefits, firstly and most importantly in terms of running a football club is the financial benefits from playing in it. The second benefit is the chance to win it and create history and a legacy.

Where we are right now we have zero chance of winning the competition, so the only real benefit for us is the financial boost it would give our accounts. That shouldn't be underplayed or looked down on. It's a reality of professional football. The club needs to make money if it is to invest in better players and infrastructure.

However, from a fans perspective would I rather win the FA cup or finish 4th? I'd take the cup every time.

I don't banter fans of other clubs with how many times we've finished 4th, I banter them with what we have won.

From a fans perspective football is about the glory, watching your team succeed and win. It is celebrating the titles and cups that we remember and it is those memories that we pass down to our children. I was there when we won the cup, or lifted the league title. Not I was there when we drew our final game to secure 4th place.

Spend a minute googling what the club has won and you'll find out almost instantly. Then see how long you need to spend trying to work out how many times the club have finished in the top four. That tells you everything about the importance of winning silverware over a top four finish.

While I can see the benefits of a top four finish over an FA cup win, as a fan I'll choose silverware every time.

Nothing changes the mood and feeling around the club as much as lifting silverware.

Just look at the fan polls, before Saturday it was around 70/ 30 in favour of replacing EtH, now some polls are as high as 90/ 10 to keep him as manager.

Winning is the most important thing in building momentum as a club. It brings the players together and strengthens the bonds within the team.

Do you think our players would have celebrated finishing 4th the same way as they celebrated winning the FA cup? Of course not. That tells you how the players feel about winning cups and titles.

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