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15 Jul 2021 15:32:46
So seeing as this is a rumour site I thought I'd pass on an interesting rumour that I have heard today.

Apparently an issue has come up in Sancho's medical which is making United think twice about signing him. They are awaiting the results of further tests.

He was due to be announced today along with the new kit launch but this detail is holding things up.

The club have enquired about Federico Chiesa as a possible alternative if these other tests on Sancho highlight a bigger issue.

Not sure how true this all is, it comes from a friend who is in with a crowd of people in London that includes some players and agents. Sometimes he's on the money, other times not. So like anything take it with a pinch or salt.

1.) 15 Jul 2021 16:19:16
Sancho and Rashford were on a plane together last night heading off for a break. If there was an issue with the medical I think they wouldn't let him go abroad.

2.) 15 Jul 2021 17:08:45
I've got a bridge to sell you Shappy.

3.) 15 Jul 2021 17:12:46
Rosie, I'm not interested in a bridge, but if you've got some magic beans I'm keen 😂.

4.) 15 Jul 2021 18:11:19
I think chiesa is a better player, should have bought him last year, a much cheaper alternative too.

5.) 15 Jul 2021 20:28:56
Hard to buy a player if he doesn't want to leave Italy mind.

{Ed0666's Note - You do what most rich clubs do bribe the player.

6.) 15 Jul 2021 21:18:15
Great rumour about Kalvin Phillips on Leeds page.

7.) 16 Jul 2021 07:40:59
Absolute tosh shappy.

8.) 16 Jul 2021 08:22:34
Shappy you must be the only bloke alive that requires five paragraphs for that limited tosh 😂 😂.

{Ed014's Note - to be fair you got away lightly!

9.) 16 Jul 2021 10:47:13
It's a rumour, probably like 99% of rumours it's probably is a load of tosh. I did say take it with a pinch of salt. But seeing as this is a rumours page, it seemed an appropriate place to talk about a rumour.

as for Kalvin Phillips, to be honest I'd probably prefer him over Rice due to him being a better passer of the ball. I just don't see a Leeds lad through and through moving to United.

10.) 16 Jul 2021 11:13:44
Alan Smith?

11.) 16 Jul 2021 12:11:46
Patrick, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's very rare.

12.) 16 Jul 2021 13:20:24
Eric Cantona.

13.) 16 Jul 2021 13:24:11
Joe Jordon
Gordon McQueen
Denis Irwin
Rio Ferdinand

To name a few. Yep, extremely rare 😂.

14.) 16 Jul 2021 14:42:16
Cantona has done a great job in masking that Leeds accent of his, likewise for the others, I mean Irwin gets that Irish accent down to a T.

15.) 16 Jul 2021 15:05:08

Aren’t the first 2 Scottish?

16.) 16 Jul 2021 18:20:27
GDS2. Yes they are. Your point is?
They came from Leeds to United. 🤔.

17.) 16 Jul 2021 19:01:33
Scooby, I said "I just don't see a Leeds lad through and through moving to United".

Meaning a lad born in Leeds/ Yorkshire who has grown up supporting Leeds United.

Jordan and McQueen are Scottish, Cantona French, Irwin Irish and Ferdinand from London.

Signing Kalvin Phillips who was born in Leeds, grew up there and is a boyhood supporter would be like Alan Smith signing. Which went down like a lead balloon with the Leeds fans. Phillips has even spoken about how he felt seeing Smith sign for United when he was a boy and how much he hated it.

It's not an impossible deal, I just think signing Messi for a packet of Quavers would be more realistic and easier to complete.

18.) 16 Jul 2021 19:35:33
Read his post Scrappy Doo. He pointed out that Phiilips was a Leeds lad.

19.) 17 Jul 2021 10:12:28
As Patrick said, Smudge was known as Mr. Leeds United, born and bred in the town when asked once if there was any club he would never play for, he said Man Utd. Then in 2004 he moved to Manchester.

20.) 17 Jul 2021 17:12:34

My point? That they aren’t from Leeds 😂.



27 Jun 2021 13:37:50
Ed002, is there any truth to the United being interested in Camavinga rumours?

{Ed002's Note - Yes - this has been explained may times. I would not hold your breath.}

1.) 27 Jun 2021 15:39:32
What a super young player. But I can’t see it. Has Real/ PSG all over him.

2.) 28 Jun 2021 07:28:34
I definitely won't be holding my breath, United seem to take somewhere between 6 to 12 months to complete transfers once a target has been decided. As seen with Maguire, Bruno and Sancho😂.

3.) 28 Jun 2021 11:32:09
We can dream I suppose. Camavinga, Varane and Sancho would be an incredible summer window and improve the squad significantly.



21 Jun 2021 15:52:03
Ed002, Do United hold any interest in Sander Berge? Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - Lots from elsewhere but not MU.}



16 Jun 2021 14:09:55
I've been told by someone who occasionally gets wind of information before a few others that we might be looking into a deal with Brighton for Ben White, with Axel Tuanzebe heading the other way either on loan or permanently.

Has any of the Ed's or anyone else heard this through the grapevine?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

1.) 16 Jun 2021 15:49:34
Sounds like he's just got wind Shappy.

2.) 16 Jun 2021 16:39:19
Well that solves that then😂.

3.) 16 Jun 2021 18:58:21
It would make sense if Ben White is off to someone else and Axel comes in as a replacement.

4.) 16 Jun 2021 19:25:51
Thought Arsenal had bid for Ben White?



10 May 2021 14:12:34
Looks like Cavani has signed for another year (Romano) . Great news, we keep someone who is settled in the EPL, has proven themselves good enough, can help guide players like Greenwood while not completely blocking him out of the team. While also we can focus our summer transfer budget on defence and midfield, which is where it needs to be spent. I think this is the best result all round. Looking forward to seeing him play at Old Trafford in front of a crowd.

1.) 10 May 2021 14:30:20
Shappy not stirring up the debate again but if true i can see both sides
Heads) great tutor for several players on all aspects of the game but
Tails) it stops the purchase of a younger stiker now who could give us several years service and also takes up best part of 1 million a month in wages from the wage budget!

With him, DDG out on loan and pogba in wages alone we could cover 5/ 6 quality additions - I know which direction I would take.

2.) 10 May 2021 14:39:02
Funky, i think even if we didn't sign Cavani, we weren't looking to sign a young striker given that we already have Greenwood and boy wonder. We would have gone for someone like a Kane (not young anymore) or Benzema or that's what the Eds have told us. I think having Cavani is a win win provided he stays fit. Finally we have a great #7 after Ronaldo.

3.) 10 May 2021 15:11:49
Funky, I can see that side of the argument.

The reality is though that the club doesn't have a bottom pit of cash to spend this summer, or any summer for that matter.

Our starting CB's aren't good enough for a title challenge. We need to sign at least one top class CB. That'll be between 50-80m.

We will see one of Henderson or DDG leave this summer as both are too good to be back up. We have also burned our bridges with Romero, so he'll be leaving as well. While Bishop might be okay to be third choice we will need a decent back up keeper. So there's another 10-20m.

We also need a true CDM who can control the tempo of the game and dictate play. Rice has been touted, he would be very expensive. But even cheaper options will be between 40-60m.

We still don't have a first choice RW. Greenwood is covering there and doing well enough. But he is a striker. Amad and Pellistri have played less than 20 minutes EPL football. Neither are ready in truth. Sancho for 80m is the rumoured target. Again cheaper options might be available and could be bought for around the 40-50m price bracket.

While rumours persist about interest in Max Aarons or another RB to challenge AWB, so there's another 20-30m on a RB.

So before we even consider a striker we have:

GK - 10-20m
RB - 20-30m
CB - 50-80m
CDM - 40-60m
RW - 50-80m

So that would be 170m if we bought the cheaper options for every signing. 270m if we bought the most expensive.

All of that without signing a striker. Haaland or Kane would cost between 120-150m. Even if we bought the cheapest players in ALL of the other positions AND a top striker like Haaland or Kane then we would be looking at a spend of around 300m.

I just don't see where the club sign all the positions we need this summer with the predicted cost of them all.

So we need to prioritise, if we can keep Cavani and Greenwood can continue to improve and develop then the most expensive position could be delayed a year. Greenwood turns 20 at a the start of next season. A year with Cavani then at the start of the 2022/ 23 season he'll be about to turn 21 and could be ready to be first choice. If not then we can address that summer.

We need to look around our youth players and see who is most likely to be able to step up in the absence of a new signing coming in.

RB for me is a very low priority, we have Williams, Dalot and Laird coming through. While both Tuanzebe and Mengi can cover RB.

GK I'd get a journey man whose still solid. You rarely use your second choice keeper anyway. I don't see any point in spending 20m+ for a guy to play in the league cup and the early rounds of the FA cup. Maybe we could tempt Tom Heaton back from Villa now Martinez has established himself as first choice. If you're going to be sitting on the bench then you might as well be getting paid well and be at your boyhood club.

CB is essential spend what we need to buy the best available.

CDM is a tricky one. I think the type of midfield we buy will depend on how Ole wants to set up. I think we need someone in the mould of Carrick who can control the game and dictate the tempo. But is there someone available who fits that role and is proven at the highest level. Again for me this is a vital position if the team is to improve next season. So spend what is needed on the right candidate.

RW depends on who is about and at what price. We clearly need someone who can be a creative spark as most of our forwards look to score goals more than create them. Meaning we can be a little one dimensional and easy to predict. I would spend here as the third priority behind CB and CDM.

The most important thing for me this summer as opposed to last summer is I feel that even 1 or 2 players good enough to go straight into the first team is a better way to go than the plan of last summer of buying 4 or 5 squad options or gamble players.

We spent 40m on Donny, we spent 15m on Telles, and we spent 30m rising to potentially 50m on Amad and Pellistri.

That's 85m players who haven't really helped all that much this season. 70m you say Telles was worth it to push Shaw.

4.) 10 May 2021 17:20:21
UA - by a younger striker -I meant one with at least 4/ 5 years in the tank at a decent level- personally I would stay away from HAarland - Way too much for a stiker playing in inferior quality leagues
Kane is quality but Levy would want double his worth, he spent weeks out the last couple of seasons. I know there isn't many about but but there are players out there.

5.) 10 May 2021 17:31:50
Funky, which strikers do you think are good enough, attainable, and wouldn't cost the earth?

6.) 10 May 2021 17:36:42
shappy - you make the points well but we have a nation of players that we first of all can get mainly small but a couple of decent fees for, that are on salaries 50-100k+ pw and also we can use as bargaining chips. Apart from the keepers,
IN Defence- telles, lindlehof, jones, tuanzebe dalot all could go.
We would get fees for 3/ 4 of them and wages off the books.
Midfield- van de beak, mata, matic, periera, again fees off them in dvdb a decent chunk return + wages
Forwards - Dan james, martial, chong
and then we have the imo 2 players that will determine who and how many go- lingard, pogba.
Amad and pellestri were bought for the future and we have built up a decent amount of younguns for the future, add in shoretire, hannibal, mengi and hughill, garner levitt to name a few . It can be achieved but it doesn't have to be sub standard additions to fill all the boxes in order to hit budget. Alas the major problem is who will be selecting and negotiating: that's the position we need to get right.

7.) 10 May 2021 18:22:20
Im old enough to remember Ted McDougall, (ask yer dad) Peter Davenport, Terry Gibson, Alan Brazil . all strikers we pounced on after a good season who bombed with us.

When I see folk raving about DCL, Haaland, Ollie Watkins, the lad from Newcastle who trips over his own feet most games but they love him .

I think step back let's see how good they are next year, can they progress, are they as hungry? Maybe Cavani signing helps Ole with those decisions.

8.) 10 May 2021 19:07:54
Mate how did you land out gary Birtles? 🙈🙈🙈.

9.) 10 May 2021 19:32:00
Funky, the rumours are that the club have around 70-80m to spend maybe plus sales.

So we would need to raise 200m plus from player sales. Something we have been pretty bad at historically.

I think in reality we will likely see 2 or 3 players good enough for the first team and maybe a cheap back up keeper.

I can't see us making more than 4 signings this summer.

10.) 10 May 2021 20:37:08
I think United will spend more than 120 million or much much higher.
Glazers need to win the fans back so I think they would splash the cash.

11.) 10 May 2021 20:56:31
A GK is a definite, I can see DDG going out. Probably on loan to PSG, knowing how we do things.

RB seems odd given that we have a few options. However I'm not AWB's biggest fan and the drop-off after him to Williams/ Dalot is huge. So I imagine if the RB rumours are true one if not both are on their way.

CB. A more mobile player would be a bonus. Wouldn't be surprised if they stick though.

DCM. Seems to make sense to all of us, but Matic isn't going away just yet, leaving the club with 2-3 players who just about fill this void, albeit unspectacularly. But I would like to see a more dynamic maybe younger player come in. I think Rice will cost towards £100 purely because of age and the English factor, which seems nuts to me. Bissouma or Camavinga might be better value.

RW: I think there's plenty of scope for Sancho to come in without inhibiting Greenwood. He can play both flanks. There's room for both of them in the starting XI, in my view.

STR: Kane I think will go to City. That leaves Haaland as the other 'go to' name. Dortmund seem like they're open to a sale to cash in before he goes into the final year so I guess we'll miss out, and we'll be talking about a different player this time next season to replace Cavani.

Oh yeah - Cavani. So glad he's staying for another year. The side is so much better with him, he's helping Greenwood no end, and has made an even better impact that Ibra, in my view, and arguably better than any signing bar Fernandes post-SFA.

12.) 11 May 2021 10:43:45
Shappy re strikers- kane is up there as is his probable fee but vlahovic at fiorentina, daka, silva, icardi, vieto. Okay Icardi is more proven but the price tags won't bust the bank and all reletively young with potential- whose to say Haarland will thrive in EPL- everything is a risk.
Obviously the parameters change all the time and now Cavani is staying 1 more year I can see more lieage in bringing in a rough diamond as opposed to 300k per week 150m man.

13.) 11 May 2021 10:56:18
Shappy I think 80 mil is a low budget even for us but if you add the sales then maybe. i reckon the positions noted need addressing but agaain it depends on price and availability. Agree with a journey man GK but if DDG or Hendo goes a top Gk is a must, rb cover not high as long as we have keep williams but I think he'll go if only on loan. CB is the biggy- torres, varane is my bet on the clubs top 2 but wouldn't rule out milenkovic. Mid and DM are 2 areas we may need to address if pogba goes as well as matic (possible Roma)? Camavinga will be mega bucks as will be rice- would like brozovic will inter listen? Grealish will be mooted but again price. If available would look at pulisic - don't think chelsea manager fancies him. I guess we'll have to do 2 things, wait for sharkopod and the window itself.




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20 Jul 2021 17:57:26
The murmurs of PSG looking to sign Pogba are increasing, I wonder how much truth is in them.

1.) 20 Jul 2021 19:15:54
Until Fabrizio says Here we Go, I take all rumours with a pinch of salt.

2.) 20 Jul 2021 19:56:16
For next season on a free I would think.

3.) 20 Jul 2021 20:03:13
Canal in France are reporting it, they aren't a terrible source, but far from reliable. Normally better with moves involving French clubs.

Grim, I'm not fully convinced until I see them on the pitch playing for us.

John Obi Mikel held the shirt aloft at a press conference before moving to Chelsea the following week.

Fabrizio is clearly in the know, but until they sign it's all speculation.

4.) 20 Jul 2021 23:15:26
Until Ed002 says: "I don't know what you expect from me, I told you what is happening. I can't give you blow by blow coverage or timings" usually 6 months before our club does something I consider it an unfounded rumours 🤣.



17 Jul 2021 17:54:18
I see a lot of people seem to be happy with the switch to a 433 formation.

I'm not so sure it's the best way to get the best out of our players.

Regardless of the formation you look to create attacking and defensive balance in a side.

Often looking to have 5 players looking to stay behind the ball and 5 players looking to potentially move or be ahead of the ball.

Regardless of formation you need to look how you will do this.

Currently we tend to play a 4231 type formation with one of the full backs (Shaw) as the 5th attacking player.

People often look to Pep and City with Silva and KDB playing as two free 8's as the template for how we can get Pogba and Bruno in a similar situation. The issue with that is we don't have the other players to make that system work.

At City they had Walker tuck in almost as a third CB, and have one of Delph or Zinchenko tuck in ahead of the defence in midfield alongside Fernandinho. The width then came from Sane on the left and Sterling on the right. A left footer on the left and a right footer on the right. They stayed wide and didn't look to cut in so that Silva and KDB could play in that half space.

For us to play like City we would need AWB to play as an auxiliary CB by tucking in. Something that does not suit his game. His slide tackles in a more central position are screaming out penalty. Shaw would need to tuck into the midfield alongside any CDM.
Then Rashford or Sancho would need to play on the right and stay wide and not tuck in (which takes away the best parts of their game) . Then play Greenwood on the left as our only left footed attacker. Against making our most clinical finisher away from goal.

It would still require both Bruno and Pogba to press and work hard off the ball (something Pogba struggles with) to avoid the midfield being overrun. While the more defensive and less freedom could impact Bruno's production. While also making Shaw, AWB and both wide players play in a way that takes away the best aspects of their game.

It's ridiculous and wouldn't work with the personal we have.

1.) 17 Jul 2021 18:18:51
Statmandave has a good video about how certain signings could see a tactical shift and utilise the skillset of all our players in a 433. Emphasis on certain signings ;)

2.) 17 Jul 2021 21:25:32
433 is the best formation for us. If we have a solid back line it will work. I disagree with you statement about awb, I actually think his defending would be best suited to the last line of defence, he is one of the best tackelers in the league. If I could pick one player from our team to tackle somebody it would be him.

I hope we go with this formation because it would work a lot better than the current 6 4 formation we seem to play. It would give us some entertainment and we would play like a United side. Only time will tell what happens but I'd prefer we went this direction.

3.) 17 Jul 2021 21:35:26
We don't need to play like city, we need to play like united

Get rid of playing 2 cdms and let the team be free

We don't need to have any of the full backs playing as cbs if they do there jobs getting back behind the ball when we lose it

You will have both cbs and one of the cms will pull in to make it almost a 3 at the back when the full bavks push up, but we don't tend to have both going forward at the same time anyway

Any formation that is going to be better suited to our attacking players will do me

Now we have a proper winger in sancho you will see a much better attacking united.

If we do get varane having his pace at the back will free up the need to have the 2 cdms.

4 3 3 prob suits the team better imo bruno does his fair share of the dirty work as it is, i agree pogna doesn't but having 1 of mctominay or fred sitting behind pogba and bruno with sancho cavani greenwood given rashford won't play till october time is quite refreshing to think of.

I do feel we are still short of a proper cdm, matic fred are not good enough, mctominay is more box to box and im nkt sure vdb still fits into our team.

4.) 17 Jul 2021 19:41:56
El Paso, the best thing to do when building a team is try and get all your best players in their best positions and playing to their strengths.

Shaw is better as an attacking wide option from LB than as a defensive full back. He needs to be encouraged to get forward.

Bruno plays his best in a free No.10 role. I don't get this trying to fit Pogba into the side especially if it impacts Bruno. What had Pogba (who wants to leave) done to suggest he is worth being put above Bruno?

Rashford needs to play LW and cut in to shoot.

The issue in midfield is simple, neither Fred or McTominay are natural holding midfielders and both vacate space to go looking for the ball, while neither have the technical ability or passing range to be the hub of the team. Get a player like that then play one of them along side that player with Bruno playing as a No.10 Rashford left and Sancho right. Shaw over lapping and suddenly the team has the right balance.

5.) 17 Jul 2021 23:38:25
City have played the system with both natural and inverted wingers (what do you think riyad mahrez has been doing all these years) .

Also they have played with both defensive and attacking full backs, plus a few on here wanted to try AWB out at at cebtre half because he struggles going forwards.

Real and Barcelona have both played 4-3-3 formations with inverted wingers and attacking full backs or did you just skip the last 20 years of european football.

6.) 18 Jul 2021 08:57:48
Jesus, nothing will really change. You can call it 4-2-3-1 or you could call it 4-3-3 or, what I think it will be, a 4-2-1-3.

The point is, we will still use the same players. Only real change I suppose will happen is changing one of Fred and McT to a Rice type of player and keeping the other one on the pitch or slotting in Pogba.

If Ole doesn't do that, does anything really changes? It could easily be like this: DDG/ Henderson -- AWB, Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw - Fred, Pogba/ McT, Bruno - Greenwood, Rashford - Cavani.

I didn't want to include players we haven't signed yet, but you see the point.

What i'm worried is, what will happen with Pogba. Since Rashford is injured, will Sancho get the LW position in the beggining, or is Ole going to slot Pogba there? Does anyone have any knowledge what should our starting 11 look like? i'd rather see Greenwood, Sancho and Cavani up top in the first match, but i'm afraid Pogba or even Martial will be pushed to that LW position, and leave Greenwood (or Sancho) without any minutes.

7.) 18 Jul 2021 09:10:39
United have only ever implemented a 433 successfully when we won the UCL in 08.

If we look at the team that played most of the time that year it was

VDS in goal, Wes Brown a converted CB at RB, he didn't bomb forward but stayed deeper. Rio and Vidic at CB. Evra overlapping and attacking from LB to create width.
A midfield three of Carrick, Hargreaves and Scholes/ Anderson. Carrick sitting deep, Hargreaves in a defensive box to box role. Then Scholes or Anderson playing further forward to create.
Up front we had Rooney playing left wing and tucking in and shooting with Evra providing the width. Ronaldo staying wide right to give width, then one of Tevez or Berbatov playing as the central and importantly creative striker role.

To make it work we still played Carrick AND Hargreaves and the system fell apart once Hargreaves injuries became too much. Without that defensive box to box player playing alongside a holding midfielder our midfield got overran.

Maybe Real Madrid and Barcelona can get away with it in La Liga where every side below 6th place is Championship standard and they have literally no side other than each other and maybe Atletico who can seriously threaten to beat them in a game. So sure, we could play that system if we decide to move the club to Spain and compete in La Liga. But that sort of over offensive style would just be overran in the EPL. Look at Norwich a couple of season's ago. They played great football, they had both Aarons and Lewis bomb forward from full back, they had Cantwell and Buendia cut in from wide, Pukki up front. They were great in the Championship the previous season, they played some great football in the EPL, but teams could just waltz through them and they conceded too many goals and got relegated because of it.

Name me an EPL side that played with two attacking full backs, two inverted wingers and two free 8's along with a striker putting 7 of the out field players in attacking positions and won the league?

You can't play BOTH Bruno and Pogba, along with inverted wide players (who'll be looking to play in the same inside positions as Bruno and Pogba btw) . Along with attacking full backs. Do you really thing that it would be possible to play well and win the league when you only have Maguire, Varane and McTominay offering any defensive cover? Every time the opposition get the ball back and counter we would concede a goal.

8.) 18 Jul 2021 10:58:30
Bit of overanalysis here methinks. Can't see why 4-3-3 wouldn't work for Utd. When I switch to it mid-game in Championship Manager, it usually works a treat.

9.) 18 Jul 2021 11:50:54
Like some have said above, it won't make too much of a difference as formations are fluid.

The formation also isn't the problem. It's the tentative play while in possession that is. Doesn't matter what system we play if our game plan is still to just hope some individual produces a moment of quality.

If we were playing this formation though, I'd be playing Bruno, Van De Beek and McTominay. Pogba can be an impact sub if we need a goal because he's shown for years he doesn't have much defensive disciple and can't be trusted to make the right decisions.

10.) 18 Jul 2021 12:38:31
Liverpool and City.

11.) 18 Jul 2021 13:53:12
Sepp, Liverpool play with two CDM's in Fabinho and Henderson, even Gini played as a defensive pressing No.10.

That enabled both full backs to push forward, the wide players to tuck in and not crowd the central areas.

They still played with 5 players playing offensive roles and 5 defensive.

I've stated that City didn't play with 7 offensive players.

12.) 18 Jul 2021 14:32:25
Henderson isn't a cdm, he plays ahead of Fabinho. I'm not too sure why you're making stuff up to try and justify ole's negative approach and mismanagement of players.

13.) 18 Jul 2021 15:46:49
Sepp, what is Henderson's role in the side? Break play up, make interceptions, put tackles in and recycle possession.

Does he drive forward into the penalty box to create or score chances? No.

Is he there to be a Pirlo/ Scholes/ Carrick/ Alonso/ etc styled tempo setting passer? No.

Henderson's role in the three man midfield at Liverpool is the same as Hargreaves role at United.

He is there to do the dirty work first and foremost.

My whole point is this idea about trying to fit BOTH Pogba and Bruno into midfield as part of a three man midfield, especially in this idea of them both playing as "free 8's"

You want to pick apart Liverpool's system and equate it to what our could potentially be then fine.

Liverpool play with Fabinho, Henderson and Gini.

So which role would Pogba play and which role would Bruno play? Assuming you're thinking is that a new CDM comes in to play Fabinho's role.

The real issue on here is this idea that you can solve our offensive weaknesses by just throwing another "attacking" player on the pitch. It's a very basic even Sam Allerdyce approach to football.

The problem is that we don't have enough "attacking" players. We have Rashford, Cavani, Bruno, Martial, Greenwood, Pogba, Amad, Pellistri, Lingard, Mata, Shaw plays as an offensive full back and is our second highest chance creator. Now we've added Sancho, another prolific creator. Even McTominay got 7 goals from deep midfield this season.

Our problem isn't have enough attacking players on the pitch, it's not that we don't get enough bodies forward, or the quality of our attacking players.

Simply the problem is we don't move the ball quickly enough through midfield. By the time one of McFred have trapped the ball, looked up and played their pass the opposition are back in their defensive shape. Our problem is a lack of speed in the transition.

That is something Liverpool do exceptionally well. The moment any of the Liverpool midfielders win the ball, be that Fabinho, Henderson or Gini they often play a first time pass into the channel for one Salah or Mane or a quick pass out to Robertson or TAA who will switch the play immediately as that side of the pitch will be loaded creating space on the other side.

It's all one or two touch, with telling threatening balls played forward with pace.

So it doesn't really matter that all three of Liverpool's midfielders primarily play a defensive game, as they recover and release the ball to the attacking players quickly before the opposition can settle.

14.) 18 Jul 2021 16:25:59
Well if that is indeed the case, then why not play Matic in a holding role and have McTominay play the "henderson" role?

Surely that would be a better than having two players out of position?

15.) 18 Jul 2021 17:04:19
Forgot real and Barcelona only play domestic football, haven't been frequent champions league winners in recent history.

16.) 18 Jul 2021 18:15:59
Sepp, personally I believe that would give us more balance.

The problem isn't having two players in midfield whose job is primarily defensive. The issue is the quality of those players to move the ball quickly and accurately once they do win the ball. Picking out the "right" passes at the right time.

Ultimately we don't have that player that all top sides have. Someone to just sit centrally offering a covering job in front of the defence, but primarily they are there to set the tempo, always be available for a pass and already know who they are passing the ball off to BEFORE they even receive it.

We are potentially a Micheal Carrick type player away from having a side that in a year or two (once are young squad starts to mature) challenge for league titles.

A player like Carrick, Xabi Alonso, Pirlo, Xavi, Scholes (in his later years), Rodri, Kroos, Jorginho etc etc.

Get a player like that and play them alongside either Fred or McTominay and suddenly we have defensive balance, along with tempo and an ability to play the ball forward and dictate play from deep.

A midfield pairing like that would allow Bruno to play freely in the No.10 position (his best role), it would allow Sancho to play wide right, and Rashford wide left (their best positions), it would allow Shaw to play on the overlap, Cavani and Greenwood battle it out up front. It would provide a platform in front of the defence to protect them, but also offer them a quick and easy relief pass when pressed. It would literally allow all our player to play in a position and in a style that gets the best out of them. If only Pogba was defensively diligent and hard working enough, he has all the other attributes needed.

17.) 18 Jul 2021 18:51:01
Shappy, if you watched the video it talks about how when in possesion we would basically becone a 325 AWB stepping into the extra cb slot with maguire and 'varandra. Then 'camavinga' alongside pogba in cm roles. Front 5 of shaw rashford cavani Bruno and sancho. He also talks about how pogba rashford and shaw could effectively swap roles in possesion and we wouldn't be worse off. He is obviously more eloquent than i but then he is paid for it and i am not.

Its a good breakdown of how the 2 cms could work for us, as well as how with the right signing a single pivot would be good too.

18.) 18 Jul 2021 19:07:41
When Liverpool pin a team back they are virtually 2125 doubling up on full backs with Salah and Mane drifting from out to in, Fabinho would play in front of the 2 CB's, Henderson and gini would sit out side the box in front of fabinho ready to stop any counters when Liverpool are in the final third even if it means fouling a player. They rarely get into the box unless they are chasing the game. They will defend with 7 with say Mane, Salah and firmino in attacking triangle for a quick outlet. They generally have Mane and Salah wide first for quick long ball counter, Salah and Mane will wait for the defender to jump and then they will roll/ push/ nudge them off balance for a quick break. If they don't get a goal scoring opportunity within 4 passes or so they then play back to then move up the pitch which if liverpool don't lose possession ends up like the 2125. What I mean is Liverpool will go through roughly 3 formations if going from defence to attack if they don't get the quick chance within a few passes. City will sometimes look like they are playing 2323, creating 4 lines of play to play through a team defending with 3 line team shape making space in between the lines, If a defending team only has 2 lines of defence like a low block of say 64 or 55 it makes it verily difficult for them as it neutralizes Liverpool or city's tactics but it does make it hard for the defending team to get out. If city pin the other team back enough then city can end up similar to Liverpool in a 2125 with the full backs either overlapping, doubling up or more often than not running on the inside. When a team is defending they some times play a formation width wise with say 2 rows of 3 players pressing sideways forcing wide long balls or a team to back again a smaller system on the pitch. Rigid formations are a little bit of the past now only suitable on a subbuteo table or football manager (depending on your coaches style lol) . Teams will change the way they play depending on wether they are leading, level or behind and need a goal. They will all be coached hopefully well on different scenarios going on wherever on the pitch depending on the scoreline. Players are even encouraged to work it out for themselves on the pitch and adjust. The manager, coaching staff and the right players are the most important part of implementing systems and micro management of the shape of a team and what players roles are. If teams went out and played set formations most of a game, every game then they would be worked out within 5 minutes.



07 Jul 2021 10:30:38
I find the whole Camavinga links interesting, it seems him and Rice are players under consideration as midfield options.

While I feel Camavinga has the greater potential, it is Rice who I think could make the biggest impact next season. He is ready to step in and instantly improves our midfield. The problem is that he would cost at least twice maybe even three times as much as Camavinga.

Who would you guys prefer Rice or Camavinga?

{Ed004's Note - I think a lot depends on if Pogba stays. If Pogba stays I don't think a midfield of Camavinga, Paul and Bruno works whereas Rice might be the missing piece of the puzzle}

1.) 07 Jul 2021 10:55:13
If we have the budget, then Declan Rice.
He is one of the best in EPL at the moment.

However, Camavinga's potential is huge and the maturity he displays is beyond his age.
The significantly low fee quoted for Camavinga is another tempting factor as we have already invested heavily on Sancho.

{Ed002's Note - Who has quoted this low fee?}

2.) 07 Jul 2021 11:06:10
If we are going to stick with a double pivot midfield and the 4-2-3-1 formation then Camavinga.

If we are transitioning to a single pivot and a 4-3-3 formation then Rice.

3.) 07 Jul 2021 13:09:42
The Camavinga talk seems a continuation of last year where we brought in Diallo/ Pellestri, looking at young players that we can develop and have the potential to be high quality. I guess this is what we did historically with the likes of Ronaldo. In this sense I am happy with this as a policy but it has its problems in that these players can't be expected to be at the level we need them initially and needs to be looked at for a year or 2 down the road.
So, on the debate of Camavinga or Rice, for me it is Rice as he is ready now and can play in the HM single pivot or the double pivot. If not Rice we should be looking at NDidi or an equivelant type as we need to release our attacking midfielders.

4.) 07 Jul 2021 13:26:41
I think if a player of exceptional quality comes along at what seems to be a fair price, like Haaland last year when we came close, we should be going for him. So Camavinga for me. Rices seems overpriced to me and hadn’t done an awful lot to warrant it other than being English.

5.) 07 Jul 2021 13:39:44
Probably Rice but not sure it's an exclusive.

Both would be an improvement.

I think Rice will stay for 1 year where he is.

6.) 07 Jul 2021 13:50:39
Fabrizio Romano has mentioned around the 30million mark I believe 002.

{Ed002's Note - He was likely teasing you.}

7.) 07 Jul 2021 14:29:53
Did seem unusually low.

8.) 07 Jul 2021 14:52:47
The fact that he's in the last year of his contract with no intention of signing a new one surely means he will at least be cheaper than Rice (not that that is saying much! ) .

9.) 07 Jul 2021 17:25:26
I've only seen clips of this kid play like I suspect most of us have with the excepted of shappy who watches football 28 hours a day! Feckin students🤣🤣
So its impossible to say. He comes with a great reputation and kits of potential but also a health warning from ed002 (like he did with depay) telling us he may not be ready for epl every week.
Rice is a good player playing well but ole doesn't play with 1 holding midfielder and ed002 has told everyone on here a lot of times that that position is not a priority.
Unless we change the way we play rice is not a priority imo.

10.) 08 Jul 2021 06:35:15
Rice looks better and better the more I see of him. Is prepared to do all the dirty work and also sit and curb his instincts for the good of the team, he executes the job asked of him by the manager within the game plan. He is the kind of player every team needs to make a system work, and there is no doubt he would make us stronger.

Camavigna I have never seen and watched extended runs of merely restricted to clips and analysis of his play by others so its hard to comment in detail.

Personally I like the idea of a Rice and Bellingham partnership longterm and would like us to pursue one of each over the next two seasons to sort our Midfield out long term. I do think Rice and McT can work as two in our system however.



02 Jul 2021 10:28:37
Looking at our squad it's becoming more clear what we will look like as a squad next season.

With Sancho joining I think we are well stocked in the attacking department.

Cavani, Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood, Martial, James, Amad and Bruno.

Gives us 8 viable attacking options in the front 3-4 positions. Four of them are already top class, two are young kids who look like they will be top class, while the other two (Martial and James) offer good squad depth.

Until Martial and Cavani move on we don't need anyone else in the forward areas.

Varane is supposedly the next name on the hit list. Even if we don't pull off a deal for him then we are still looking at Torres/ Kounde etc. So it looks fairly certain we will sign a CB.

That will give us 6 options at CB (Varane, Maguire, Lindelof, Bailly, Tuanzebe and Jones) . In reality at least one maybe even two will need to be moved on.

The issue is while Varane/ Maguire will be first choice, and Lindelof solid as cover. Bailly, Tuanzebe and Jones all suffer with injuries. Ideally we would maybe move all three on and buy 2 CB's this summer, but that just isn't going to happen. It's a shame with Tuanzebe, I really rate him. When he has played he has done well. Kept both Mbappe and Neymar in his back pocket. But the lad can't stay fit long enough to get a run of games. He reminds me a little of Wes Brown, a supremely talented defender who went though his career on crutches so never really stayed fit long enough to make his mark. Tuanzebe probably needs to move on for his own benefit now. Although I'd keep a buy back option on him.

Now myself and probably most people on here probably all feel the same. McFred while statistically our best midfield duo, they simply as a pair aren't good enough to get us where we want to be. For me McTominay could be a player who develops into a top box to box player. His late runs into the box along with his shooting quality mean that he could be a player who comes up with clutch key goals against teams that are tough to breakdown.

Fred while much improved, sadly despite a great attitude just isn't good enough.

Yet we still have Matic, Pogba and Donny. Giving us 5 first team options in central midfield, for what will be two starting positions. While we also have James Garner coming through as one to keep an eye on.

The problem though is how many of those 5 have a long term future at our club? Pogba will likely leave next summer if not this one. Matic is on his last legs and can't play twice a week. He'll also be gone next summer. Donny has all the talent and hopefully he can make a push to start more next season. But based on this season's performances he doesn't look like a long term solution. That leaves McTominay who'll be a long term option and Fred who as stated isn't good enough.

Ideally we would move Matic on this summer and sign a replacement. Then maybe Garner could become the 5th option next summer after another year on loan and when Pogba leaves.

The issue is that I can't see the club plumping to spend a large amount of money to have a 6th player for one of 2 positions in the team. Not when they have already spent 89m on Pogba, 52m on Fred, 40m on Matic and 36m on Donny. That's around £217m on midfielders. While the most likely one to have a long term future is McTominay the lad that came through the academy 🤦‍♂️

While few of us understand it, we are looking at a RB. When we look at the squad on paper we have Shaw and Telles at LB along with Williams who can play there. At RB we have AWB, Williams, and Dalot. However, Dalot is likely to leave. While Williams ideally needs to be playing every week to improve and develop, something that won't happen while he plays back up to AWB. He needs a loan, as does Laird who looks very promising if he can get over his injuries. So if the club sell Dalot and loan Williams then we will need a back up player at RB. The key here is to find a player who has the experience and ability but will be happy enough to play a back up role. Trippier might make sense if we can get him at the right price (10-20m tops) .

The final area that need sorting and for me is one of the most important is the goalkeeper. We can't go into next season with two keepers fighting for the No.1 spot. All it did this past season was create indecision in both our keepers. Sell one, keep the other and sign a back up keeper. Maybe that's Heaton. If so then great, if Heaton is signed to be third choice then go get a solid back up keeper. Personally I'd keep Henderson and sell DDG, others would do the opposite. It doesn't really matter which camp you fall in, the result is the same. A decision needs to be made over who our No.1 is, with the other one let go.

1.) 02 Jul 2021 11:24:19
James should be sold this summer.

2.) 02 Jul 2021 11:45:41
I’d rather have James over martial. Happy on the bench. Martial isn’t. Simple as. Martial will recoup a lot more than James and we could use that sort of cash to invest elsewhere.

3.) 02 Jul 2021 11:59:50
I see James as a possible convertion into a midfield player - he covers well has speed to break and good game awareness. Needs to improve crossing and passing.

4.) 02 Jul 2021 12:12:49
The midfield is a mess, populated by players who either (supposedly, although do we ever really know? ) don't want to be at the club, or are not good enough. I reckon Pogba will sign up, whether or not he is the 'right' type of club for Utd or indeed the physical fast tempo of the Prem is another debate. I think on his day he is outstanding but probably Utd isn't the greatest choice for him.
Donny is class, but we only have his previous exploits with Ajax and to an extent Holland to back this up. He's offered nothing so far, but cases of players moving on after only a few seasons are few and far between. I think he'll stick around at least until Jan, and if he hasn't improved maybe a loan out for the remainder of the season is needed.
McTominay is a fantastic allrounder in my opinion. Probably not quite the level everyone foresaw in a Utd midfield, but good enough to bring in when required.
Fred. Oh dear. He seemed much-improved halfway through the season but tailed off by the end. I listen to most games on radio, and the amount of times the commentators were mentioning how often he'd misplaced a pass was a joke. I know Rentato Sanches has had his injury problems, but what I saw of him in the last few Portugal games showed me the type of combative relentless midfielder I imagine Fred ought to be. This position in the team needs addressing urgently.

5.) 02 Jul 2021 13:36:03
James is a simple one, he is a great squad player and we need good squad players. I don't see his value changing much whether we sold him this year, next year or in 3 years time.

I see the money we would get for him being a similar amount to what we would have to spend to replace him.

If he's happy then keep him.

Martial the same. He isn't good enough to be first choice, but he still has enough quality to be an excellent squad option.

If he's happy with that then keep, at least for the time being. Let Greenwood mature and develop then address the issue next summer.

I think games like FIFA have given fans itchy trigger fingers. If a player isn't world class then simply sell them and buy someone else.

It's revolution over evolution every time.

Every single squad in world football has a mix of players. Some might be world class, or at least good enough to be first choice at their level. some will be potentially good enough players, the ones that will see large ups and downs in their form as they develop. Then there will be those that are not good enough to be first choice and might only suit a squad role.

As a club even under Sir Alex we had at least 7 or 8 players in the squad who weren't good enough to be first choice. Great squad players, but maybe a little too limited to be first choice.

Nothing wrong with having a few of them about.

What we need to be doing is signing players who are or potentially are good enough to be first choice.

Them over time those that fail to hit the mark will drop down the pecking order and probably move on.

Martial while a divisive player is still one batting around between being first choice or first sub off the bench (when fit) .

We know Rashford is going to have surgery when England are out of the Euro's, whenever that is. That could put him out for 2-3 months potentially, including full rehabilitation and recovery of full fitness.

That leaves us with an injury prone aging Cavani, an inconsistent Greenwood (which is normal as he is young), and Sancho who is new to the league and may take time to settle.

Beyond those three who can we look to from the bench while Rashford recovers?

Martial, James, Amad and Mata most likely. Of which Martial is probably the best option.

That's why I'd keep him another year while Greenwood and Amad develop, then next summer look to move Martial on as well as Cavani and then look for a replacement.

6.) 02 Jul 2021 13:51:38
Mctominay's passing is below average and he spends too much time hiding when we have posession.

If we signed rice, Mctominay could be a poor mans soucek granted but nothing more.

7.) 02 Jul 2021 15:51:21
I think people assume moving players on is as easily done as returning a pair of jeans to Next. I think it's a lot more complicated than that once contracts, agents, miles of red tape and the potential buying club's structure with how they want to stump up the cash comes into it.

8.) 02 Jul 2021 16:18:35
Funny you don't have mata as an option yet he just signed a new contract which you've defended above but still he is not an option for you in attack shappy?
You defend him getting a contract in 1 post but don't have him as an option in another post. Very inconsistent again. Lots of words but contradictory as usual.

9.) 02 Jul 2021 17:59:53
Ken, I sent this post at 10.30am, long before the news of Mata's new contract broke. At the time of writing he was a player whose contact was about to expire.

So I naturally didn't include him in this post.

But sure now he has signed he can be included.

I know you're against Mata being given a new deal, and I can see your point of only viewing it from a playing perspective.

However, there are multiple people at the club who will be involved in making the decision. I'd hope that they are basing it on something tangible about the value he offers the club, be that playing, coaching, as a role model or an ambassador, or all of them.

Ultimately it's the club's money, and if they want to spend it on Mata getting a new deal then so be it. We don't have to agree on every penny the club spends, and clearly as evidenced every day on this site we don't.

10.) 03 Jul 2021 07:43:17
Ultimately its the clubs money to make ddg the highest paid player but it doesn't stop you banging on about it every other day.

11.) 03 Jul 2021 09:31:00
Ken, there is a subtle difference between paying a bit part player an average wage within the squad and making a declining player the highest paid player not just at the club but in the league.

My concerns over DDG's wages aren't actually to do with him being paid. It's actually to do with the context within the squad that his wages can cause.

Rightly or wrongly a players wages impact their position within the squad.

If DDG loses his place to Henderson, then how would Bruno feel about the second choice keeper earning more than him, when clearly he is having a far greater impact in the team.

Bruno is currently on just under 50% of DDG's £350k per week wages.

Martial is the second highest paid player at the club. So it's not just DDG's wages that could cause problems.

12.) 04 Jul 2021 16:59:40
Yeah shaps, second highest paid player yet can barely string 3 top performances together.



29 Jun 2021 19:14:53
Should England fans start dreaming?

On a side note, Shaw and Maguire have been great for England so far.

1.) 29 Jun 2021 19:48:38
With ball at feet I thought maguire bringing the ball out out of defense looked as good as anything else I've seen in the tournament, we did conceed two big chances but another player who gets stick at club football but is normally pretty good for England is pickford . I loved the game today two evenly matched teams and super tense.

2.) 29 Jun 2021 19:53:22
Shaw and Grealish look like a partnership on the left.

3.) 29 Jun 2021 21:31:00
Lets not get carried away. Germany are not a patch on their world cup winning team. Also had Muller scored it probably would have been a different result.

4.) 29 Jun 2021 21:55:21
England dominated without creating that many chances. Philips dominated knows and pick Ford made saves when they did get through. Shaw had a great game.

5.) 29 Jun 2021 23:43:03
Shaw had very good Ken but i am not over the moon with Maguire. I know i am in the minority but i don't think he had much to do. In a back three and with 2 holdings in front of them he was just he had no defensive responsibilities and he must only play with the ball at his feet. I don't get with the Maguire love suddenly like if we have not seen before. With this protection and with this tempo Lindelof would look like Ferdinand. Stones Hummels Ginter Rudiger all seem good in this match. It was simply this kind of match that's suits defencive players.

6.) 30 Jun 2021 06:10:17
Maguire was very very good. The players you mention conceded 2 goals Herrera and Maguire conceded 0.

If Germany scored it would have been different no doubt, but they didn’t and we scored 2, our first knockout win against a top side in 55 years, so we should be dreaming now, this team is good enough to go and win it and Southgate got it spot on.

{Ed0666's Note - Germany are not a top side they are woeful and a pail shadow of what they once where. Loew had the personnel on the bench to make the game a real contest but chose to bring on Emre Can when he had better attacking players at his disposal. Saying that I would not consider Germany a top side and Flick really has his work cut out.

7.) 30 Jun 2021 09:36:06
Germany are clearly not the same force they were when they won the word cup. Yet I think they are still a very good side, and they have plenty of potential to develop over the next few years.

The only thing I would say that German side was missing compared to the great German side of the past is a top level clinical striker. If Werner is your best striker then you have a problem.

They still have a spine of Neuer, Hummels, Kroos, Muller.

With players like Havertz, Gnarby, Sane, Goretzka and Kimmich coming through.

They are easily the toughest team England have played at the tournament, which is encouraging as it was also by far England's best performance.

The match against Ukraine will be a battle, they fight for every ball and they have a few gems who can do something on the night to get them a goal. They won't be easy to score against.

If England can beat them then it'll either be a grudge match against the Czech Republic who'll want revenge for the group match defeat. Or it will be a semi against Denmark who are riding on a wave of emotion after what happened with Eriksen. They will have all the neutrals on their side willing them to make the final. One big performance away from making the final for the first time since 1992. It will not be an easy match.

However, Ukraine plus one of Czech Republic or Denmark is probably as easy a run to the final as anyone could have asked for. With teams such as France, Portugal, Spain, Belgium and Italy all being on the other side of the draw and the Netherlands facing a shock exit in the first knockout round on our side of the draw.

Football could be coming home this summer, but complacency could put us in the same boat as France and Portugal.

8.) 30 Jun 2021 10:37:39
Haha yes Germany are awful sorry that’s why we beat them, silly me.

I agree they aren’t as good as they once were but they are still a big country, we haven’t won in our last 7 games against them at Wembley so it’s a massive win, to say otherwise is superfluous.

Havertz scored the only goal in the CL final, it’s not like they are made up of players from the championship and Hungarian league.

9.) 30 Jun 2021 11:38:30
Just because they aren’t as good as they were doesn’t make them not a good side. Their midfield is much better than ours for starters.

10.) 30 Jun 2021 12:11:29
Not sure ed said any of that GDS. I mean his analysis is spot on, Germany are poor and have been for a while. Not sure that's controversial at all 🤷

Can be two things, good win for England. Germany aren't great.

11.) 30 Jun 2021 12:20:22
He literally said ‘Germany are not a top side’ which I disagree with, I think they clearly are, made up of players from top clubs around Europe and they were one of the favourites to win it. They are the best team we have beaten in a knockout stage since 1966 which was my main point, to suddenly say they are awful because we beat them I can’t get on board with.

12.) 30 Jun 2021 16:53:25
Germany that terrible side that the bookies had as 4th favourites to win the tournament on the opening day.

Yeah they must be "terrible"🙄🤦‍♂️.

13.) 30 Jun 2021 17:08:11
When you break down the German side player by player there are some cracking players both young and old. They have a really good blend of youth and experience. let's not forget they absolutely smashed a very good Portugal side.
To say they are not a top side is absolute bo**ocks!
We always have to pick some kind of fault instead of just enjoying the performance.
The fact is Germany just couldn't live with us in the second half because we played some really good stuff.

{Ed077's Note - Germany are a really good side but Loew has become stale for them and looks to be struggling to get the players firing for them. IMO, Germany have a top 3 squad/player pool in the world right now, and the best midfield in the world (club football included). Hopefully Hansi Flick can get them firing on all cylinders.}

14.) 30 Jun 2021 14:04:09
Yes they conceded two. But until 85 minute there were two big chances, Sterling's and Muller's and one scored but the other missed the chance. And guess what, Maguire yet again was an observer because he couldn't catch Muller and thankfully he lost the chance.
I don't think either they are a top side, Germany's teams build around a fox in the box like Gomez or Klose or (if you want) Lewandofski, that kind of player who is good in the air good scorer and make good moves. Werner is not that kind.

15.) 30 Jun 2021 20:48:01
Maguire at no fault for the Muller chance, Sterling gave the ball away needlessly. Sometimes you need a bit of luck.

16.) 01 Jul 2021 06:26:50
Slandering Maguire for no reason again Herrera? Sterling was at fault there you can't expect Maguire to to outpace Muller when he as 10 yards on him. Also look at Walkers action for that chance, He should have kept running back instead of committing which led Muller to be free.

17.) 01 Jul 2021 10:06:30
How can Maguire be blamed for that Muller chance. That's ridiculous!
None of the back line could catch him, not even Kyle Walker because he (Muller) had a 5 yard head start and was already in full stride.
The hate for Maguire on here is outrageous.




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19 Jul 2021 16:30:11
Pogba leaving? Better call Saul 👀😂.



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16 Jul 2021 19:01:33
Scooby, I said "I just don't see a Leeds lad through and through moving to United".

Meaning a lad born in Leeds/ Yorkshire who has grown up supporting Leeds United.

Jordan and McQueen are Scottish, Cantona French, Irwin Irish and Ferdinand from London.

Signing Kalvin Phillips who was born in Leeds, grew up there and is a boyhood supporter would be like Alan Smith signing. Which went down like a lead balloon with the Leeds fans. Phillips has even spoken about how he felt seeing Smith sign for United when he was a boy and how much he hated it.

It's not an impossible deal, I just think signing Messi for a packet of Quavers would be more realistic and easier to complete.



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16 Jul 2021 12:11:46
Patrick, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's very rare.



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16 Jul 2021 10:47:13
It's a rumour, probably like 99% of rumours it's probably is a load of tosh. I did say take it with a pinch of salt. But seeing as this is a rumours page, it seemed an appropriate place to talk about a rumour.

as for Kalvin Phillips, to be honest I'd probably prefer him over Rice due to him being a better passer of the ball. I just don't see a Leeds lad through and through moving to United.



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15 Jul 2021 17:12:46
Rosie, I'm not interested in a bridge, but if you've got some magic beans I'm keen 😂.




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23 Jul 2021 19:02:05
There are some lovely comments there guys, and it's really touching to read. Assuming they aren't meant as sarcastic banter😂

Although they do read a little like an obituary, think I might go check my pulse🤣.



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23 Jul 2021 17:05:39
Jonny, not even started it yet. Complications in my life over the past year means I've deferred it until next year. Which gives me plenty of time to write long posts on here in preparation.



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23 Jul 2021 17:03:57
Dodgy, I like the fact that the club haven't tried to take a number off of Cavani (7) or Greenwood (11) just to accommodate the new signing.

Personally I like the idea that Sancho can have a season or so to bed in without the added pressure of the No.7 shirt. Then he can claim in next year when Cavani leaves with hopefully a solid season under his belt.



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23 Jul 2021 17:01:00
It's simple, United don't do easy. Varane want's to join, personal terms won't be a problem, and he is one of the very few genuinely world class players who'll be available. He plays in a position of serious need, and his skillset seems to almost perfectly match what we need. Add to that we don't seem to have any serious competition for his signature.

All this adds up to possibly one of the most obvious transfers possible. It's a no brainer and in my opinion would be more transformative to our side than Sancho.

It's the transfer equivalent of a one yard tap in dead centre of the goal with no opponent in the way to win the world cup in the last minute of extra time.

It just normally doesn't happen, but the stars have aligned for us to pull off one of the best signings of the summer.

So right on queue United start being silly over what amounts to about 5m, dragging the transfer out and placing it at risk for little to no reason.

Instead of just tapping the ball home they have decided to flick it up and do some keepie uppies with the hope of heading it home in some fancy sort of way.

Typical amateur behaviour, they may yet conspire to balls this up. I hope they won't and hopefully they can come to their senses and wrap this deal up quickly. As that is what benefits the team, the manager, the player and ultimately the club in general most.



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23 Jul 2021 14:54:35
Salford, Kane while a top class player would be (if he signs for them) coming in to replace their all time leading goal scorer Sergio Aguero who has left City this summer.

We can argue whether Kane is currently better than Aguero, or a better or worst fit for how City play etc. But it's not like they'd be adding an additional top class player to their squad, just one in one out.

Personally in a odd sort of way I hope they get Kane. City are a top side who go out to sign top players. if they don't get Kane this summer then they will definitely be in the mix for Haaland next summer. Personally I'd be more concerned about them getting Haaland than Kane. While Kane is still probably the better player currently, his injury record along with his age means anyone signing him this summer is likely to get 3 maybe 4 years of top class regular performances from him. If City sign Haaland then they probably have the best out and out striker in the world for the next decade.