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30 Jul 2020 11:51:46
Anybody interested in taking Chong on loan for next season at the moment Ed’s?


{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}



16 Jul 2020 09:24:22
Reports stating we are now possibly looking at Thiago Alcantara. nonsense 002?


{Ed002's Note - Thiago Alcantara (CM/DM) was expected to extend at Bayern Munich but looking at options - Juventus may be interested, and Manchester United might see him as an option. LIverpool have not approached Bayern Munich and has no agreement regardless of what the Fat Kid From Bolton and his invisible friend says. Bayern Munich expected Thiago to extend at Bayern Munich but they do not want to pay more than the €12M a year he is currently on. Bayern Munich have said that they have not been approached by any other side since an enquiry from Juventus and have explicitly stated that Liverpool have not approached them.}

1.) 16 Jul 2020 10:03:29
Thiago's ability to receive the ball from the defence and progress it through midfield would be a brilliant asset to have. We have struggled for years in this regard and while he is a less attack minded player than Grealish, I'd say he would help our attacking play even more.

2.) 16 Jul 2020 10:25:55
Where would he fit in? Would he get into the starting 11? Would he be happy on the bench? I mean. he’s not got the height or physical prowess to replace Matic and I definitely can’t see him starting over Bruno or Pogba.

I also think it doesn’t look good going for a player we chased after years ago, just like Kroos.

3.) 16 Jul 2020 10:41:22
I would be surprised if we went for him. He is getting on a little and hasn’t got the best injury record. Quality at what he does though as rj mentions.

4.) 16 Jul 2020 10:52:54
Him not starting every game may be an issue, potentially as will a salary of 12m + a year. But at the 40m price mentioned, he will be good value overall. I see him as an excellent option when we get pressed by teams similar to Southampton earlier in the week. He is excellent at receiving the ball and keeping it or playing it behind. Our midfield lacks ball control and creativity beyond pogba and bruno and we do not want to run Bruno / Pogba into the ground and ruin them. He also adds experience and is a serial winner - is pals with DeGea from their spain u21 days and is the right age not to block any youngsters coming into the team.
If the 5 substitutions per game becomes the norm next season, which i expect it to, then thiago will play at least 30 games a season, starting 15-20 of them. This week was the first time we played the same team for 4 games in a row in the last 20 years. We can't do that for 38 games next season!
When Kevin Debruyne can sit on the bench and understand that its a squad game - so can Thiago Alcantara. Moreover, if he wants to come to the premier league, our planned style of play will suit him the well unless he wants to go to city and join Pep.
I hope we go for him, but i doubt it will happen. Fingers crossed though.

5.) 16 Jul 2020 11:10:01
I have always been impressed with Alcantara.
Very good vision and passing ability.
He can dictate play from deep and provide killer balls to our pacey forwards.

Another technically good player with proven pedigree. I think his experience can prove to be valuable for our young squad.

6.) 16 Jul 2020 11:24:51
He would have been great had we got him when he went to munich but at the wages and fees and injuries? No brainer for me -spend the cash on Saul- For other regarded positions: test inters resolve with Skriniar and for the right wing try and get Chiesa instead of Sancho. Would be more than happy with that trio in.

7.) 16 Jul 2020 13:02:01
Cracking player. He is 29 not 39. People talk about him like he is over the hill 😂.

8.) 16 Jul 2020 13:19:11
I'd rip bayern arm off for him, fabulous footballer.

9.) 16 Jul 2020 13:47:12
If he played 30 plus games a season he would be fantastic to have.
Personally I'd be surprised he has a poor injury record and is not the profile of player we are linked with recently.
If pogba stays it gives us some great options.
No harm at all getting a real experienced high class player in if his attitude desire hunger and professionalism is high class too. Proven winner.
Would be a Great option to have imo.

10.) 16 Jul 2020 14:51:19
Fantastic player, but I'm not sure he is the type of player we should be looking at. If Pogba leaves then he would be a great replacement in that deeper creative role.

But I think midfield of Thiago, Pogba and Bruno although aesthetically pleasing might lack enough grit and defensive nous to be successful across a season.

Also I don't think his age, cost and injury record fits the clubs ideal profile for new signings.

11.) 16 Jul 2020 14:59:53
4-4-2 with a midfield diamond would be the only way to fit thiago, pogba and bruno in the same side.

Only see it happening if pogba gets a move away.

12.) 16 Jul 2020 14:59:53
4-4-2 with a midfield diamond would be the only way to fit thiago, pogba and bruno in the same side.

Only see it happening if pogba gets a move away.

13.) 16 Jul 2020 15:27:29
Id take him over Grealish all day.

14.) 16 Jul 2020 15:51:18
agree singh but saul would be a) the better profile of playerb) the better value long term and imo the better player out of the 2- can but wish eh?

15.) 16 Jul 2020 16:16:43
Would add flexibility to the team and certainly could help with rotating Pogba and Bruno. One for the more technically minded but would he fit in with the 4222 that we have heard historically Olly likes.

16.) 16 Jul 2020 16:19:49
Doubt we will get Saul if Pogba stays so it makes sense to get Thiago and wait for a year or two to replace Matic with Saul if he is still available.

17.) 16 Jul 2020 17:49:23
Don't need a another Bastian Schweinstger. Plus at that wrong age now. Sign him for 3 years before performance will drop. Plus he would be a replacement for Pogba. Plus can he hack it on a rainy night down in Stoke. Bundesliga a decent league but the Premier League something else. I rather play McTominay or give James Garner more of a opportunity.

18.) 17 Jul 2020 23:12:13
Thomas Partey would be an awesome signing for us if Pogba stays. Sadly we can't be interested in every player out there.



14 Jul 2020 08:39:15
For 002 if around. Any progress on the search for a right winger? You mentioned trying to sell a move to Manchester to Chiesa, is it a possibility?


{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed from what I have previously stated as far as I know.}

1.) 14 Jul 2020 10:26:45
I still can't look beyond Willian. I know Ed2 has shut that down on numerous occasions but if he's available he'd be immense for a few seasons. Quality and works his socks off.

2.) 14 Jul 2020 10:52:18
Chiesa is a cracking player, but I do worry about the idea that we need to convince him to leave Italy. Italian players have a very patchy record when they've moved outside of Italy.

If the kid doesn't want to leave Italy then how long will it be before he wants to go back.

I don't think we should be having to convince any player to sign for us. It's not like we are a club they will have never heard of, players know who Manchester United are. History suggests very few players who don't want to sign for a club do and succeed.

3.) 14 Jul 2020 11:31:36
Willian is going to command a huge wage and I fear it will likely end in tears as it did with Sanchez. He’s likely to lose his pace.

4.) 14 Jul 2020 13:42:51
Willian, as good as he might be, is not the direction we should be looking in my opinion.

5.) 14 Jul 2020 15:13:17
Willian is not an option as i understand it. He will either renew with Chelsea he wants 3 years. Or he will probably sign for spurs. His family are settled in London and they have other business interests there too.

{Ed002's Note - And Manchester United have shown no interest.}

6.) 14 Jul 2020 21:42:21
Chiesa is a quality player though sounds as though he’s waiting for a bigger Italian club to come in for him?

7.) 15 Jul 2020 07:55:46
Big step for anyone to leave their home country shappy. Maybe not simply the case trying to convince him to join United. Maybe an Ed can elaborate on why he needs convincing.

But it's always a tough decision to make, leaving your home, no matter how big a job opportunity is presented.

Could also be the case, that once he gets here and settles, he might be absolutely fine. I think it's unfair to dismiss it at this point without knowing the facts.

{Ed002's Note - It is taking a youngster out of his comfort zone of sunny Italy with the wonderful Mediterranean food and the beautiful girls laughing as they zip around on their Vespas to move to the grim, wet and cobbled streets of Northwest of England where there would be a significant cultural change, overweight tattooed women pushing wheelchairs with kids who look like their brothers, smog, dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street, little chance of football at the highest level and only chips and fried curry to eat.}

8.) 15 Jul 2020 09:22:34
Thanks ed, I heard that's exactly what his thinking is 😂

I heard he wasn't too keen on watching every episode of Corrie either.

9.) 15 Jul 2020 09:52:31
I don’t think Ed002 has been to Manchester since the 1800s, it gives us more of an idea of his / her age at least!

10.) 15 Jul 2020 12:24:12

I think Manchester is a lovely place. Always enjoy my trips up there. Some beautiful spots for players to live there too. Cheshire has some lovely spots.

Always a culture shock though for any southern European player moving there. Especially if they are young.

I'd imagine it's the sale of moving to the UK rather than the move to United.

11.) 16 Jul 2020 16:53:53
Come on ed002 have you seen Angela's ashes? Manchester is paradise compared to rural Ireland were the kids are still educated in bush schools before a 6 hour shift picking potatoes in the fields😂
Im not sure what it is, obviously a cultural thing but Spanish players seem to travel and settle a lot better than Italian players into England.

{Ed002's Note - I have not seen it Ken. Players from some countries struggle to settle in England.}



03 Jul 2020 18:01:55
002, is it true thiago alcantara is available? Seen articles relating to Liverpool interest at a fairly reasonable price of around 30mil.

If we weren’t interested at that then I’d be worried. Give pogba his wish to leave and then bring him in! Probably messed it up when Moyes turned him down like! Yet again an amateur decision.


{Ed002's Note - Manchester United cannot be interested in every player - they have clear targets and a 29 year old Thiago is not one of them. The problem goes away if Pogba stays.}

1.) 03 Jul 2020 19:23:21
Ignore my last comment I've found a post lower down


2.) 03 Jul 2020 19:19:31
Fair enough Ed thanks for the insight. As always much appreciated, hope you’re keeping well!

3.) 03 Jul 2020 19:21:21
Ed has there been any approach to offer pogba a new contract

I know it's a pain talking about him bit I have searched and didn't find anything about a new contract.

Have things changed


{Ed002's Note - I really don't know but it would need to go through his agent and up until not too long ago there was no communication with him.}



09 Mar 2020 18:32:48
Chong signs.


1.) 09 Mar 2020 19:46:48
Think he's a real talent, good he has signed but maybe a loan next year would be good for him. A season at another prem team or even the championship would be great. If united get sancho etc can't see him playing a lot of games.

2.) 09 Mar 2020 22:28:39
Strange that it's only until 2022 tho. Glad he has signed a deal.

3.) 10 Mar 2020 07:41:14
Option for 3rd year, I guess he has two years to prove himself.

4.) 10 Mar 2020 08:19:25
I think from his perspective he won't want to be tied down to a long term deal if he isn't getting the game time he needs to develop.

While for United losing a player on a free, especially a young talented one doesn't look good.

The club does have a one year option on the deal. I would imagine he will be loaned out next year then his situation will be assessed. After a year on loan does he look ready to challenge in the first team or not.

5.) 10 Mar 2020 08:57:11
think your right shappy, that seems like the best option for everyone.




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04 Sep 2020 15:11:25
Greenwood to wear number 11. Well deserved. Now it’s a toss up between Greenwood 11 or Fernandes 18 for the new home kit!


1.) 04 Sep 2020 18:35:18
Excellent news and well deserved, he's been a breath of fresh air along with Bruno.

Our current front 3 have so much potential.

2.) 04 Sep 2020 22:19:56
Bruno to 8 when Mata moves?

3.) 05 Sep 2020 01:27:22
Utd road, eventually yes. He has the 8 tattooed on himself after all.



31 Aug 2020 18:05:06
Buzzing with the van de Beek signing. Let’s hope we get a right winger in next and maybe a cb if we’re able to shift a few. Doubtful but still.


1.) 01 Sep 2020 06:15:19
And Hope that we manage to sell Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Lingaard, Parrira, and if time permits Mata.



17 Aug 2020 09:45:41
It has to be said, Bruno should be captain. Though he won’t be, as he’s not English and didn’t cost 80million like Harry the fridge Maguire.

A lot more vocal, a lot more passion and tenacity.


1.) 17 Aug 2020 11:37:47
Cantona wasn't English nor is ole.
Keane wasn't English.
Valencia wasn't English.
No excuse.



06 Aug 2020 09:17:33
Slightly confused over angel gomes. He’s left and signed for Lille then been loaned straight to boavista.

I thought he left as we couldn’t guarantee him game time at the club. But he’s happy to sign elsewhere and be loaned out? Strange one.

Obviously not as straight forward as I believed.


1.) 06 Aug 2020 10:26:12
I think he left as no one at the club could give him a real development plan that ended up with him being in the first team.

At United he was told "work hard in training and your chances will come".

At Lille, he was told that they have a plan to develop aspects of his game during a year on loan in Portugal, probably dealing with the physical step up in senior football. While the regular game time at a higher standard will raise his game to the next level. Then back to France for another step up in quality and further development.

Fact is Gomes should have been on loan the moment he turned 18, he has been too good for the U23's for a solid two years. If you are being challenged then you are stagnating.

A loan when he turned 18 might have meant he was ready to contribute this season and he might have played more games and we would have seen less of Lingard and Pereira.

But he wasn't ready because the club didn't have a development plan to get him ready.

2.) 06 Aug 2020 10:48:29
He maybe wasn’t ready because he wasn’t doing enough in training? You can map out futures etc but hard work is rewarded as well. Without being on the training pitch none of us really know why he didn’t play. Also, this is the second contract extension that was on the table. He signed his first one after months of speculation. He was 17/ 18 at that time too.

3.) 06 Aug 2020 11:17:02
Gomes was expected to break into the first team a bit like greenwood etc . It never worked out for the lad, happens move on.

4.) 06 Aug 2020 11:47:38
Club mismanagement.

Best of luck to him.

5.) 06 Aug 2020 12:43:32
Shappy with all due respect surely you have no idea what development plan Utd had for Gomes and to suggest otherwise is simply misleading. You talk as though you are an authority on the subject but you can't possibly know how the academy is managed or its development plan for individual players.

You seem to be regurgitating and putting your own interpretation on something you believed you've read but choose to ignore the facts.

Pereria, Henderson and Tuanzebe have all been out on loan as have countless other academy prospects.

The academy may very well be failing our young players but in the absence of a detailed explanation of why or a model of best practice being used at other Clubs producing superior results we can only rely on the facts which are both overwhelming and irrefutable.

I am sure there are many areas where the academy can undoubtedly improve but it's success in producing players that go on to represent the first team is both impressive, enduring and is in fact a core value that permeates the entire Club.

Trusting in youth and giving young players a chance are values synonymous with Manchester United and there can be no greater incentive than that of opportunity and a core belief in youth. Road maps and development plans are of course very important but count for nothing if the Club doesn't present players with the opportunity or has the patience to give its young players a chance.

I always like reading your posts but I'm not sure your taking a balanced view on this topic. Gomes is merely one player from an academy of hundreds and I think many people are scratching their heads and trying to interpret the situation.

Gomes was supposedly one of our most talented and brightest academy prospects. We were led to believe that he was being courted by the likes of Chelsea and Barcelona who were going to present him with a development plan or road map into their first team and Utd were somehow responsible for mismanaging a generational talent. In reality he has signed for Lille and now finds himself on loan at Boavista! You are suggesting Lille have a masterplan to turn him into another superstar but all I see is another young player out on loan trying to make his own way in a ruthless game. I wish him all the best and hope he can realise his true potential!

6.) 06 Aug 2020 12:49:53
He's not good enough to play for us at the minute, I hope the lad goes onto have a successful career but he expected too much too soon imo, he hardly pulled up trees in the game time he did get, I felt underwhelmed by him.

7.) 06 Aug 2020 12:56:09
Gomes could have stayed and got five minutes at the end of last nights game.

8.) 06 Aug 2020 13:39:02
Red Man - Last summer the manager sold our most prolific striker and sent out our highest paid player on loan to Inter Milan.

He placed his trust in academy prospects Marcus Rashford and Mason Greenwood so if that isn't a pathway into the first team or giving opportunities to young players than I have no idea what it looks like! If we sign Sancho this summer then we have an English front three with the potential and talent to represent the Club for the next decade whilst hopefully all developing together to help us challenge for the major trophies. If this trident does indeed go on to propel the Club to future glory it was born from a manager with the vision and courage to make bold decisions and ultimately place his faith in the academy.

I agree Mengi could possibly have been afforded more minutes and I'd also like to have seen Ethan Laid given a chance at full back but the manager assess the players every day in training and if he believes a more gentle introduction to first team football is advantageous then I trust his judgment.

9.) 06 Aug 2020 14:26:47

My comment on Gomes was a little tongue in cheek. However, I don’t think Gomes got the chances he should have had. We will see if it comes back to bite us. Dalot seems to be on his way out as well. Laird would have been interesting

I am not saying fill the team with kids, but if I am one of our youth sat on the bench last night I would have been straining to get on, if given 5 mins I would have been annoyed and frustrated

Not sure you can have a more gentle intro than last night, with little pressure.

10.) 06 Aug 2020 14:26:49
Hear hear DLIB.

11.) 06 Aug 2020 14:42:43
Red Man - I assumed it was a little tongue in cheek. Along with Shappy and many others I really respect and enjoy reading your posts. Sometimes I think we can all be guilty of failing to see the other side of the argument but this site wouldn't be as entertaining if we all thought the same way and we all ultimately want the same thing we just have different ideas on how to get there.

12.) 06 Aug 2020 14:45:24
A very good post I totally agree .
Its good for young players to be around the squad, it can be a case of one step at a time .
I can remember brazil taking a young ronsldo to a world Cup and he didn't play a minute .
Samd people looking for something to bash the msnager about.

13.) 06 Aug 2020 16:17:46

Brazil taking a young Ronaldo to the biggest tournament in the world is a bit different to giving a couple of youngsters half a game rather than 5 minutes in an already decided tie.

14.) 06 Aug 2020 16:29:24
Gomes has definitely divided opinion. Never quite saw where he was going to fit into the system OGS plays? Was a 10, left forward, midfielder?

15.) 06 Aug 2020 20:09:15
Its done for similar reasons.

16.) 06 Aug 2020 20:23:05

Interesting debate, we should have developed the talent, seen where it got to, worried about the system later. Systems come and go, talent if there, will push through if given the chance. Gomes was massively highly thought of from very young. Often they don’t develop, it can happen but I wanted to see a bit more of him and not sure he got the crack of the whip.

17.) 06 Aug 2020 20:37:31
Maybe the club saw enough of him.

18.) 06 Aug 2020 21:16:33

Then why did they try to keep him?

19.) 06 Aug 2020 21:50:33
They'd have maybe tried harder if they thought he was good enough. I'm disappointed he left. Watched him from no age and thought he'd make it. But I don't see him everyday, so not up to me to ruminate over whether or not he got a fair go.

20.) 06 Aug 2020 22:08:09
Maybe he’ll be the one that got away. I’m personally sorry he left the club - equally, he didn’t look all that when he played at senior level. Tough gig this football management.



15 Jul 2020 08:24:27
Rashford to receive an honorary doctorate. Fully deserved, a very inspirational young man and one I hope kids will see as a role model even if they don’t follow football.

Well done Marcus.


1.) 15 Jul 2020 09:21:14
Deserving of MBE/ OBE/ Knighthood and the rest.

2.) 15 Jul 2020 09:50:43
An example for many professional footballers and kids to look upto.

3.) 15 Jul 2020 10:46:31
The boy done good.




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16 Jul 2020 10:41:22
I would be surprised if we went for him. He is getting on a little and hasn’t got the best injury record. Quality at what he does though as rj mentions.




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14 Jul 2020 11:31:36
Willian is going to command a huge wage and I fear it will likely end in tears as it did with Sanchez. He’s likely to lose his pace.




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13 Jul 2020 08:40:56
I too am a little confused, not by the rumours of selling but as to why people on here see the need for a new left back. Shaw and Williams are well equipped to push each other. And shaw has been playing terrific lately.




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12 Jul 2020 13:49:20
Halesini you should note what ed002 said yesterday. It may very well happen with Chiesa if we can convince him to move to dreary Manchester.




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05 Jul 2020 22:25:44
I wouldn’t be against it, seems a professional and someone who having criticised ole has since given his fair due. Long as he realises he slowly be playing less and less. Fred and mctominay are neither that holding mid, perhaps they think he could mould one of them?





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17 Sep 2020 11:41:26
Very much doubt we turned down 25mil for Rojo. Even United aren’t that stupid surely.




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16 Sep 2020 14:08:26
Title winning team* that should be.




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16 Sep 2020 13:33:20
Salford if you think they have a better squad then I’d highly disagree. They have made great signings but remains to be seen as to how they will gel and perform. I agree arteta probably has more tactical nous than ole having worked with pep but I think you’re just throwing the toys out of the pram so to speak as we haven’t signed an abundance of players.

There is still time, and if the right player isn’t available then I would rather not plump for the stop gap signings and get bitten in the ass in trying to get rid of them in a year or two.

We do need a right forward/ winger, and imo another CB.
Yes it’s probably amateurish not letting Smalling leave but even if he did there’s no guarantee we could shift jones and Rojo to make further room for a CB. Even with Smalling gone it leaves us with 7 cbs in the first team if you count mengi. If the players don’t leave we cannot justify spending a pretty penny on a new shiny centre back.

We are getting some way to shifting the deadwood and I would say arsenal are in a similar situation. They’ve made signings because they were right but they will still need to clear out the deadwood to create a title winning keeper.

I honestly hope arsenal do crack on as they would have done it in the right way but for now I see no reason why we cannot and will not be finishing higher than them again.

It’s easy to be envious when clubs are signing new players but maybe the upgrades we need just aren’t there so why plump for the same squad filling quality we already have?

We have the numbers we just need the quality. And they are rarely available this summer.




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10 Sep 2020 19:04:41
Cost us Gomes? Hardly worth losing sleep over, wasn’t overly impressed with him and doubt we will be hearing his name any time soon.




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07 Sep 2020 21:45:31
Doesn’t like to play right wing by all acounts.