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20 Jul 2024 12:39:18
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20 Jul 2024 11:41:46
Xavi Simons being mentioned as a target. I haven't seen much of him apart from the Euros but he struck me as very similar to Martial with his body language, always frowning and sulking.

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{Ed002's Note - Xavi Simons (CM/AM) PSG will talk to the player and assure him of game time and tell him he is not for sale. Barcelona would like him back but would need to persuade PSG to take players in exchange or accept an initial loan - that is not going to happen. Manchester City see him as another potential de Bruyne replacement. Bayern Munich has agreed personal terms with Simons' representatives but the club are a light year away in terms of valuation and will need to talk to PSG with the possibility of a player being used as part of a deal. Else they will look to a loan with an obligation to buy at the end of next season - and I can't see PSG being open to that. A wildcard could be Chelsea if PSG continue to press for a Chelsea player. Manchester United has a declared interest but may not be something the player wants given the situation with Bayern Munich. RBL would like another loan. Bayern certainly have the edge if he is to be sold.}

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19 Jul 2024 22:33:27
Ed002, I read on your reply a couple of days ago that Joao Neves is expected to go somewhere other than PSG, would that other destination be Manchester United? Also do we hold any genuine interest in Zubimendi? There has been an article mentioning him tonight. Thanks Ed.

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{Ed002's Note - You misread something - I expect him to move to PSG to upgrade on Ugarte, who Manchester United do have an interest in.

Martin Zubimendi (CM/DM) Barcelona may still look to an offer although they are looking at preferred options first and would likely want to include a player in any deal. Bayern Munich, Arsenal, Manchester United and Chelsea have sent scouts with Arsenal declaring an interest with his club - and is very likely their first choice option to replace Elneny, Jorginho and Partey. Bayern Munich see the cost of his release clause as too high. Real Sociedad may look to refusing a transfer unless his buy out clause is met in full. Player wants Barcelona and I suspect will stay another year in San Sebastian to seek a move to Barcelona in 2025.}

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19 Jul 2024 21:49:32
Are we interested in Martin Zubimendi. ed02? thank you.

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

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19 Jul 2024 23:11:01
😂😂😂.

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20 Jul 2024 07:34:20
Imagine a whole team with surnames beginning with Z. Zico, Zola, Zabaleta, Zidane, Zoff, Bobby Zamora.

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20 Jul 2024 09:10:43
Zzzzzz.

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20 Jul 2024 09:46:28
The megastore does have 20 years worth of Z's to shift from the shirt printing 🤣.

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20 Jul 2024 10:30:47
That's a good knowledge question. Who was our last player with a z?

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20 Jul 2024 10:48:48
Zaha I would think.

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20 Jul 2024 11:08:31
Eric Zemba Zemba.

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20 Jul 2024 11:22:22
Maybe zlatan? Cheaper than ibrahimovich😂😂.

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20 Jul 2024 11:59:12
Did hernandez leave after Zaha, think it was pretty close, if so then it is him. If not the it’s Zaha.

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20 Jul 2024 12:28:18
I think we need to get out a bit more lads!

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19 Jul 2024 15:29:34
Afternoon Ed002, hope you’re enjoying the UK weather!

If you get a minute, would you mind giving us the latest on Casameiro pls?

Lots of conflicting reports in the media today, such as

Saudi lost interest in him due to wanting to bring in younger talent (and question marks over his fitness)

United telling the PIF that they want to keep him

The player desperate to leave the club.

Any info gratefully received!

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{Ed002's Note - Casemiro (DM) Manchester United would be willing to let him leave but will take a huge loss. Michael Emenalo spoke of him as one option for Saudi clubs but will be concerned about persistent injuries. PSG offer a wildcard option but only as cover and that option has likely moved on. The player will want to understand his options before deciding with the club what to do.}

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19 Jul 2024 23:32:34
Id prefer we move SMc on and keep Casemero (IYKYK) on. As long as we bring someone in circa Ugarte. Case is better cover.

(Here come the salary police)

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20 Jul 2024 06:53:49
You’re assuming Casemiro would be happy in a role as cover though. Not sure at this stage in his career he would be.

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20 Jul 2024 07:34:28
IYKYK? Spill the beans big boy.

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20 Jul 2024 07:38:47
I think that all depends on which Casemiro stays. The one from his first season, or last season’s?

That being said, nobody in the squad covered themselves in glory last season.

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20 Jul 2024 09:07:48
Cas’s legs have gone, and positionally he was all over the place last season, which was a big factor in our midfield being overrun.

He was great in his first season up until the league cup win, but since then has proved to be an expensive mistake.

We need to solidify our midfield with an out and out DM who’s happy to sit and allow others to take the glory. Kante style.

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20 Jul 2024 10:05:51
It seems likely that it'll be one of McTominay or Casemiro who leaves this summer. Although ideally it should be both out with two new signings coming in.

That might be a bit too much change and will potentially be difficult for the club to do.

The question over which is better to move on though really depends on what you value.

McTominay is a model professional, hard working, a leader and is a United lad through and through. He also counts towards our homegrown quota. I also suspect he'll be more accepting (although not happy) with being a back up player. He is also on lower wages.

That said he really isn't a defensive midfielder, and shouldn't be playing deeper in midfield. His best role is probably as a No.10, a physical presence who can press from the front and create chaos with his physicality in the final third. He's also excellent at being that late arriving player in the box who finds pockets of space to score.

Yet that isn't really the profile we need, he's a useful option off the bench for certain stages of play in some games.

What we really need though is a deeper, defensive option. Which is where Casemiro is a much better profile for our needs. The issue with Casemiro though is that he doesn't have the mobility or stamina to be a single pivot or cover a large area anymore. Which is why we are seeing him dive into tackles much more as he knows he doesn't have the legs to stay with the runner. Yet if we play with a double pivot and have someone who can provide more energy alongside him then I don't think his days are as numbered as some would have you believe. I think if he moved to Italy where they tend to play far more compact and keep the spaces much smaller that Casemiro could play there at the top level for another couple of season's.

The problem with keeping Casemiro is not as some have suggested his high wages, although they are less than ideal. It is both his lack of interest in being a back up player at this point in his career, along with the much bigger issue in that he is the type of player who needs to play regularly to stay match sharp.

We saw even during his first season, where he was generally excellent, that after he missed a few games that it would take him 2 to 3 games to get back up to speed. This was most evident when he had his suspensions, he'd miss a few games, then when he was back he'd be a yard or two off the pace for the next couple of games.

That inability to stay match sharp when not playing, and the length of time it takes him to get back up to speed make him a very poor option as a squad player.

I think half of the issue he had last season was niggling injuries meaning he was in and out of the line up, meaning he rarely had a run of 5-10 games to get fully up to speed. Add that to the tactics/ decisions of other players, meaning our midfield was very open and he had too much space to cover just exasperated the problem.

Which for me is why I'd probably look to sell Casemiro first if possible, as if he isn't going to be first choice and play most games then his ability to be useful as a squad player is minimal.

Although ideally we'd sell both and bring in two new midfielders capable and comfortable playing deeper in defensive midfield.

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20 Jul 2024 10:19:49
Thank you for taking the time to reply Ed002!

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19 Jul 2024 18:53:15
Hearing that 16 year old Chido Obi-Martin has just agreed to join us after visiting Carrington yesterday.

6ft2 striker who scored 32 goals in 18 appearances in the U18 Premier League for Arsenal last season, including a staggering 28 goals in the last 9 games. He was also in the 2024 u17 Euros Team of the Tournament.

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19 Jul 2024 18:59:05
Just read that. No idea if it’s true or not but it continues the building for the future if it is true.

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19 Jul 2024 19:12:03
Insightful planning by United Youth leadership: heard they recruit youngsters in terms of gaps in their youth teams.

As can’t remember any strikers coming through (Rooney in Under 14/ 15s I think) so guessing they’re now filling that gap.

A team working towards a cohesive plan, now and for the future.

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19 Jul 2024 19:40:05
Just Biancheri Wallace who we signed from Cardiff in February last year.

With Wheatley 18, Biancheri 17 and Obi 16, that's an impressive conveyor belt up front. The latter 2 look capable of playing in the wide positions too.

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20 Jul 2024 00:58:49
Don't think a deal has been agreed yet, it is expected he will make a decision in the next few days.

He does seem to be a hell of a prospect, last season he scored 10 goals in an U16s game for Arsenal v Liverpool in a 14-3 win.

He is Danish, so if he does come hopefully Rasmus can help him settle.

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20 Jul 2024 10:21:13
I like the fact that the academy has been allowed to carry on their recruitment drive that started a couple of years ago when Nick Cox took over as head of the academy.

There was definitely a shift towards trying to bring in the best young players into the academy and develop more players for the first team.

I'm not sure if initially that didn't bare fruits because it just took time to feed through or because there was a lack of opportunities/ pathway into the first team.

Yet in recent years we have seen the fruits of the academies labours with both Garnacho and Mainoo. While others have been sold at a profit for once to help raise funds. We also have for the first time what looks like an actual conveyor belt of prospects coming through, be that Collyer, Vitek, Wheatley or Amass. Or players who maybe need another year or two before having a chance to break through (the Fletcher twins, Williams, Lacey, Harrison, and McAllister) .

Hopefully the club can continue to reshape and trim down the first team squad, with an eye on creating pathways for these young players to make their way into the first team squad and get game time in the first team to see if they can step up.

Best case scenario we get another Garnacho or Mainoo, while the worst case scenario is they fail to step up, but with first team experience they will likely be able to be sold for a higher fee. Bringing more money into the club to spend either on more youngsters for the academy, players for the first team, or on improving the club in some other way.

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18 Jul 2024 21:58:37
Personal terms agreed for Ugarte. What is happening to this club!

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18 Jul 2024 22:11:03
It's like Glazers are not running the club anymore :D.

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18 Jul 2024 22:15:55
Club now being run by competent people who form a dynamic, agile and proactive structure.

imagine where the club will be in a few years time if this professional approach is maintained - and reflect upon the previous incompetence and wasted years previously. We're now finally acting like other well-run clubs such as Liverpool and Man City.

still SO much to do to rectify the mess the club has become but a really good start to the window.

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18 Jul 2024 22:20:33
If we pull this one off too, that would be 3/ 3 so far for me in terms of acumen and identification.

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19 Jul 2024 08:51:54
We certainly seem more ruthless and clinical don't we. Would just temper the expectations of Zirkzee Yoro and (potentially) Ugarte. I haven't seen evidence they are necessarily starting quality for us. Not trying to be negative about them, as I'm pleased to have them at the club; but I'm not getting carried away.

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19 Jul 2024 11:04:04
Absolutely love to see it. I don't expect every signing to work out perfectly, no club gets it right every time no matter how well run they are.

Yet the difference between this summer and the past decade is absolutely night and day.

They have assessed what the team needs most, scouted, shortlisted suitable targets and have just gone about getting them done quickly and efficiently.

We will still over pay on a few targets (everybody does), and we will still pay more than most other clubs (impossible not to when you are one of the biggest clubs in the world) .

Most signings will work out, but some will not. That is always going to be the case when dealing with individuals. You can scout talent, you can select players with skill sets you need, you can even background check players to see what kind of person they are.

Yet how they fit in with the other players in the squad, how they adapt to that new environment (possibly a new country), how their loved ones who move with them adapt, and how they blend with the current players are all things you cannot predict. Those are the reasons players should be failing. Not because they don't have the right skill set or are not at the required level.

That is something that excites me most about our signings so far. They all seem to have the right skill set for what we need and have either shown themselves to be at the required level or have the potential to get to that level.

Zirkzee has shown himself to be a great player in Serie A, won the young player of the year award and been a key player for an exciting Bologna side. He has a complimentary skill set to Højlund, offering something different. His style of play should work well in creating space and chances for a forward line that has shown itself capable of scoring goals, but lacking in creating chances.

Leny Yoro is a phenomenal talent, someone whose skills seem very well suited to playing alongside Martinez. He's a mobile, athletic, sweeper who can clean up behind the more aggressive, front footed Martinez. He is also comfortable with the ball at his feet and can build up from the back. He's a good replacement for Varane who made a great partnership with Martinez when both were fit and playing. Obviously with a young player there are concerns over his ability to adapt to a more physically demanding league. He might take time to adapt and he will make mistakes as he learns. But the talent is there, it's now down to the player and the club to develop him into the player his talent suggests he can be.

Manuel Ugarte looks like he'll be the next through the door. Terms reportedly agreed, the player opens to the move, and PSG open to a sale. He looks every inch the kind of combative, ground covering, ball winning midfielder we need to pair alongside Mainoo to give him licence to focus on progressing the ball. His passing isn't expansive, but his safe controlled passing is what we probably need alongside a young player who will be looking to progress the ball forward and Bruno whose preset pass is an aggressive, high risk forward pass. He could be an excellent deal, especially if it's a loan with an option/ obligation to buy in a years time. Off-setting expenditure this summer when funds seem tight.

All three signings seem well suited to improve the team and add skills we need to become a better side. Hopefully all three settle quickly and adapt to the club, country, and the league.

While being decisive in making sensible signings the club have also been quick to move players out.

With Greenwood finally leaving and drawing a line under a very unfavorable period at the club, making it 10 departures already (Greenwood, Varane, Martial, Donny, Alvaro Fernandez, Kambwala, Shoretire, Forson, Williams and Amrabat) .

While they continue to discuss possible departures of players like Sancho, Casemiro, McTominay, AWB, Lindelof, Eriksen, Hannibal and Pellistri. These players are the ones who are likely to bring in fees to bolster the transfer budget and enable more signings.

I expect to see us continue our pursuit of Branthwaite, who would provide cover for Martinez and looks a good potential fit alongside Yoro in the long term. We will over pay for him, but that is always the case when signing homegrown players.

We are reportedly exploring the possibility of signing Adrien Rabiot, who on a short term (3 year) deal could offer us some quality and experience for a minimal cost. He isn't a perfect signing, but he would represent good business I think. Whether a deal happens or not remains to be seen.

While signing a player like Rabiot on a free might free up funds to make the signings of Branthwaite and possibly a new fullback if AWB departs to West Ham or somewhere else. Although I've heard that we have spoken with Bayern about Sascha Boey on a loan with an obligation/ option to buy. We have reportedly looked at a few options like that, both in terms of players we could sign and players we are struggling to sell (Sancho) .

It's so refreshing to see our club actually being well run, with a plan, and with experts pulling the strings. While we won't be back challenging for major honours this season, if this approach continues and even improves further then it will only be a matter of time before we get back to the top.

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19 Jul 2024 18:19:00
Agree with all the points.
Only caveat is no one signed is EPL proven.
It could take a season to come together.

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19 Jul 2024 23:44:42
ThaT os The THing THough, these signing s aren't for mext year. They are picking players they think will developing players who will be part of a title challenge in 3 to 5 years and going forward.

I expect us to to develop each year, and these. Players to improve.

Now I do think each is am upgrade, Zirkzee better than any of our options to spell Hojlund. Yoro better than what happened last year to us at CB, Ugarte is not a significant upgrade in fairness. But I also understand their will be growing pains, they will make mistakes they are developing and learning. I can live with that as long as we are developing as a whole.

I am not excited next season because I think we will challenge or these lads are the finished article, I am excited because I think these lads could be one day and will grow into the players we need with some luck.

I think there are youth players coming through that will make it too, Amass I eel very confident about. So much so I would ignore left back and focus elsewhere, he is very young but is good enough that I think we have to avoid blocking his pathway with a new signing. Lacey too I think will make it, but unlike LB we don't really have anyone currently playing at a high enough level. Garnacho could develop into that player on the right, Diallo I am less sure of.

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20 Jul 2024 10:40:42
Oakbark, I think we are on the same page. I'm excited to see the shoots of growth this season, not because I think we will genuinely challenge for major titles. That said I think we should focus on the Europa League as I think we have a good chance of winning it. EtH has shown he is good at winning in the cups, with three finals in two years. While there is no UCL drop down into the Europa league this season, meaning who is in it to start with is the only competition we will have. I think we are one of the stronger teams in the competition, with a winning manager and a history and pedigree of winning.

Personally I'd focus more on that competition as winning it means UCL qualification, while it would also improve our UEFA coefficient meaning we would be less likely to draw a tougher UCL group then following season.

I'd play the kids and squad players in the domestic cups. With our main focus being the league and the Europa League.

Yoro and Zirkzee in theory improve us, although until they play in the EPL you never know how they will adapt. Yet the real benefit of them is as you say the potential they have, and the players they could become.

I actually think Ugarte would be a big improvement, finally having a tenacious, aggressive, high energy, ball winner in midfield who'll pair nicely with Mainoo. Giving Mainoo more licence to progress the ball forward, which is his best quality.

I'm hopeful that Amad can get more game time, he looked promising every time he played last season. He probably should have got more minutes.

While if Mount can stay fit he'll be like a new signing.

I agree with Amass, he looks like he could become a top level player. Defensively he still has a lot to learn, but a real threat going forward. If we do sign Branthwaite, then I could see either Branthwaite or Martinez covering LB with them either staying deep or dropping into midfield rather than bombing down the wing. That would give us more options on the left, along with Shaw and Malacia hopefully staying fit.

I'd certainly be more inclined to sign a RB to compete with Dalot and allow AWB to move on. As our options on the right are far more limited. Maybe Yoro could play there in a pinch, which might be good for him as he adapts to the EPL. Other than that the options seem very limited, with no one in the academy who looks ready to push for the first team squad. Unless there is a change of position for one of the midfielders like McAllister for example. That sometimes happens with academy players, moving into a different position when stepping into the first team. Although we can't count on that.

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18 Jul 2024 18:10:34
Ed002. Has there been any discussions with rabiot and united? I like him as a player just curious as to where he will end up. I think he is suited to the epl. Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Adrian Rabiot (CM/DM) Juventus are looking to replace their midfield misfits. They are looking to sell and move off the wage bill players they no longer want to fund replacements they have already identified. As a free agent, Rabiot will, like every other player, be offered to Newcastle. A third party has been instructed to find him a new home and whilst he could have been used in part exchanges previously he has let his contract run down and will leave as a Free Agent in the summer. Liverpool offer an unlikely, at least to me, solution but they have declared an interest and know what the financial implications are. I suspect Manchester United interest has gone. Milan and Real Madrid offer wildcard options. Turkey could provide a solution. Wage demands are excessive.}

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19 Jul 2024 08:21:22
Isn't United's new transfer strategy to buy younger players with potential rather than players at the end of their careers on big wages?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

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19 Jul 2024 11:09:48
I think United's strategy is to favour younger players who can grow into the side over time. But they are also exploring what options and opportunities are on the market due to a restricted budget and the size of the overhaul needed.

MdL and Rabiot are examples of players the club are looking at because they are available (potentially for less then they otherwise would be) . While Yoro might have been a primary target, it was expected that he'd go to Real Madrid, with any approach considered unlikely to succeed. Yet when United realised the door was left open a crack, they stuck their foot in the door and managed to get a deal over the line. Yes they've probably paid more than they should have given he had a year left on his deal. But by going in aggressively with a higher bid put Real Madrid on the back foot and made them unwilling to match it. Which to Yoro probably looked like they didn't value him as much as United did, which probably swung the transfer in United's favour.

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18 Jul 2024 20:32:12
Well, well, slap my thigh and call me Gladys! I never thought it would happen but the club have officially announced the signing of Leny Yoro on a deal to 2029 with the option of a further year.

They have also officially announced completion of the sale of Mason Greenwood to Marseille.

Move on to the next one now.

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18 Jul 2024 20:39:49
Bugger, I missed.
Can I still call you Gladys?

Oh yeah, it seems like our club is no longer the shambles with custard it was before SJR came in.

Next one please.

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18 Jul 2024 21:48:59
Rumour is we have agreed terms with Ugarte with just the fee to be agreed with PSG. That could move quickly too if true.

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19 Jul 2024 07:48:31
PSG buying Neves it's rumoured so it makes a lot of sense that they will sell Ugarte.

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19 Jul 2024 11:15:59
Greenwood moving on is excellent news in its own right. It allows both the player and the club to draw a line under the situation and move on. While I think the deal with Marseille is about as good a deal United could expect under the circumstances. They receive a decent fee initially, with potential for more add-ons down the line. While a large sell on percentage of any future transfer means the club will get something closer to his real valuation if he succeeds and gets a big move from Marseille.

As I've said previously, it's the out goings that are probably more important this summer. We seem to be clearing the decks fairly well so far. With the transfer of several others likely to happen over the coming weeks. I've got my fingers crossed that they can move on Sancho, clearly a talented player, but he has a very poor attitude that will only resurface at some point down the line. We need to move him on, but I appreciate that he will be the hardest player to sell of those we need to move on this summer due to his wages and the fee the club will need to sell him for. Maybe a loan with an obligation to buy next summer is the most realistic solution.

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18 Jul 2024 16:12:56
Now that we are looking at younger players with the potential to improve us now and then get better as a team, does anyone think Adam Wharton could be the player we look for at CM if we sell Casemiro etc? Looked good at Palace and has been mentioned previously. Apparently Ashworth was keen during his time at Newcastle.

Him and Mainoo in CM for United and England 👍🏻.

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{Ed002's Note - Wharton is not moving this summer. Another side has already held discussions.}

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18 Jul 2024 16:44:54
Fair enough, he looks a decent prospect.

Thank you we will wait and see what happens then.

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18 Jul 2024 20:21:25
He'll be part of the post-Pep City next summer.

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18 Jul 2024 21:32:36
What and play in the National League Spenno? I think he’s better than that 👍🏻.

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18 Jul 2024 22:20:12
If there’s a joke in there it soared way over my head.

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19 Jul 2024 11:27:41
Wharton looks a real gem, and I wonder whether United might have made a move for him in January if the INEOS purchase happened much quicker.

Personally I really like how Palace have started under Glasner, and I think Wharton might be best placed to stay at Palace for at least another season or two. We've seen how highly talented young players can have a break out six months in the EPL only to struggle a little the following season (Evan Ferguson) . That's pretty normal for young players, they catch opposition by surprise initially, but once they know what to expect they deal with them better. While for the young player they tend to thrive doing what they've done best, but once the opposition figures them out they need to round out their game to become effective again. They can also struggle with higher expectations in their second season, so might have some growing up to do mentally to deal with playing at the highest level.

Wharton staying at Palace for another season or two is probably best for his development. While this summer he'd cost a massive fee 70m+ I'd imagine. Much like Ferguson would have cost reportedly close to 100m last summer after his breakout. This summer Ferguson wouldn't cost anymore, maybe a little less that last year.

The difference between paying for potential and proven quality isn't that big anymore. Which means as a club we probably are better off waiting and allowing these players to develop at other clubs for a couple of seasons and pay an extra 10% to sign them once they have proven themselves.

Look at João Neves this summer for example. He'll cost PSG close to 100m, even if he's a massive success at PSG and proves his quality no one will pay more than 120m at most for him in the next couple of years.

Last season PSG paid a reported 60m for Ugarte, while he's been solid for them this season and he hasn't let them down, he'll likely be sold for less this summer to ourselves.

Paying massive fees for potential means that at best they prove themselves to be worth that amount of money, but rarely do they prove themselves to be worth more than that.

You are almost better off waiting a a few seasons until they prove their worth and then buy them for a similar amount.

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18 Jul 2024 10:42:13
PSG seems to be signing Neves. Are we going for Ugarte now or there are others wanting to sign him?

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{Ed002's Note - Manuel Ugarte (DM) Agent has said that the player and PSG may be open to a move if the right offer is made. He has spoken with Chelsea but it is difficult to see if they have a need. He has also spoken with Manchester United, Juventus, Newcastle, Milan, Spurs and Arsenal. I suspect Italy is the most likely destination but PSG might see any sale being dependent on adding Guimaraes or Neves although, right now, he appears to be heading elsewhere. Manchester United may well push to add him as a Casemiro replacement.}

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18 Jul 2024 11:30:22
Thank you very much.

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18 Jul 2024 13:43:19
Sounds like interest isn't as concrete as once thought.

Id imagine, a lot has to do with who we can get out. If we see more departures, we will see more signings.

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18 Jul 2024 13:58:20
A decent money move for Casemiro to Saudi helps everyone.

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18 Jul 2024 15:12:02
If we don't have the budget for a new DM/ CM, I'd like to see us take a punt on Rabiot. Yes he comes with baggage but he is a great player and would surely be a good squad addition until funds become available longer term.

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18 Jul 2024 15:55:38
How dare you refer to his mother as “baggage! ”.

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18 Jul 2024 16:34:40
Or just keep Cas for a year and play him in his correct position if we can’t sell him on.

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18 Jul 2024 16:52:27
If we were going to go down the free agent route, I would have preferred to have seen us go for Ndidi. Sadly, that ship has now sailed.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see us sign Rabiot alongside another CM, especially if Erickson, Cas, and Mctominay all end up leaving, as they probably should.

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18 Jul 2024 18:34:36
Red7 - What about replacing those 3 with Ugarthe, Rabiot and (the promoting of) Collyer?

With Mount staying fit, this would be a decent upgrade in midfield I reckon. Plus a handy reduction in wages. Although losing Scotty's goal threat, plus his and Cas's height would worry me slightly.

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18 Jul 2024 19:12:42
"Scotty's goal threat". This made me laugh. Scored a couple of lucky late goals and suddenly he is a goal threat. He's not. One of the worst incompetent midfielders I've seen in United shirt.

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18 Jul 2024 19:49:21
A couple of late goals created club legends for life Ziko.

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18 Jul 2024 20:24:49
I'm sure you know the difference between significant/ big goals, bringing cups and titles and just late goals meaning 3 points and nothing more (like the one vs Brentford) . McT will not go down as a club legend, he is just another young player coming from the youth team that was lucky enough to play so many games. In fact, I rate Danny Drinkwater better midfielder than him (just to compare him with someone) .

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18 Jul 2024 20:53:09
Does he even play football anymore?

Fact is, McSauce scored 10 goals for us last season. Always puts in a rubbish and doesn't cause any problems. He deserves a spot in the squad for sure. Not to forget that in the Euro qualifiers he was joint 5th top goalscorer and outscored Haaland, Bruno, Morata, amongst others.

I know he won't go down as a legend, I was merely over-emphasising your dismissal of late game-winning goals.

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{Ed025's Note - im with you Bobbie, good honest pro who never lets you down, he may not be the most cultured of players but what he lacks in style he certainly makes up for in substance, gives 100% every time he pulls on the shirt (which cannot be said of all of them mate)...and he gets some important goals as well..

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18 Jul 2024 21:16:40
Rubbish = shift above 🤦‍♂️😂

He's in the Wes Brown, Phil Neville, Darren Fletcher kind of bracket for me Ed. Loyal, head down, 6.5-7 out of 10 every week with the occasional 8. I'd take a bench full of those types of players any day. Especially coming from the academy.

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{Ed025's Note - a good role model for any youngsters Bobbie your right..

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18 Jul 2024 21:19:05
I'm not talking about commitment at all guys. Just because he isn't complaining or is committed, doesn't mean he's at the level a Man United player should be (even as a squad player) . Just tell me, if he wasn't brought from the youth teams, how long he would have last at United?

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{Ed025's Note - so you would sooner have a player like Anthony, Sancho, Mount or even dare i say it..Rashford and Bruno who down tools when things are not going for them Zico?, i dont care how skillful or talented they are mate if they dont respect the shirt or the supporters i would,nt want them in my team im afraid..

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18 Jul 2024 21:19:54
I'd love for McTominay to stay for a few more seasons. Rotation option starting the odd game, whilst being an ambassador for academy production such as Collyer, the Fletcher twins, Fitzgerald etc.

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{Ed025's Note - absolutely Bobby..

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18 Jul 2024 17:35:38
Ed when. You said heading elsewhere did you mean Neves or guimares? I've seen you say guimares looks most likely to city on other sites, if it's neves is it us that he may be heading too?

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{Ed002's Note - Both.}

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18 Jul 2024 22:03:15
Ed025. Bruno down tools 🤣🙈.

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{Ed025's Note - absolutely angel, when united are behind and things are not going for him he gets all stroppy and is a liability mate...do you not watch many united games.. :)

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18 Jul 2024 22:10:05
Exactly this kind of thinking brought us to where we are today as a club. Holding on to players that "run a lot" or "he is an academy player". My opinion is if you are not good enough - you have to go, doesn't matter where you came from. Just tell me what McT brings to the team? Is it passing, defending, key passes, progressive passes, assists? Is he a midfielder or just put him in the last 5 minutes as a striker, at least he won't do damage in midfield. I can name you better midfielder from every Premier club from last season.

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18 Jul 2024 22:13:57
Challenge accepted Ziko

Sheffield United.

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19 Jul 2024 05:53:04
I think Scott is an easy target for a lot of the haters. We all know he is lacking in the technical department. But we all know that when he comes on he provides energy, usually at a time when the team needs it, and his physicality will always cause problems for the opposition. If a move materialises for him I’d be wishing him all the very best. But if he stays, I’m good with that too. Sometimes a decent attitude and willingness to fight for the shirt is worth just as much as a few ‘cultured’ passes. I’d also throw Victor Lindelof into this bracket as well. He’s quite clearly not good enough to start, but he doesn’t moan and always gives his all. You can’t have a squad of 23 world beaters, you need some players who are solid and happy to help the team when they can.

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18 Jul 2024 22:16:33
{Ed025's Note - absolutely angel, when united are behind and things are not going for him he gets all stroppy and is a liability mate. do you not watch many united games. :)

Yeah and McT on the other hand changes and becomes Ronaldinho and turns the game around by giving 3 assists and scoring a goal. C'mon man, stop this. And BobbieB, Brown, Phil and Fletcher were twice the players McT will ever be. That was such an insult to them.

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{Ed025's Note - its all about opinions Zico, some people cant see something that is right in front of their face mate, as an outsider i have no loyalty to any United player and i watch most of United,s games and can only tell you what i see, Wes, Darren, and Phil were in very good United teams and got away with being average, McTom is in a very poor United side and is not afforded that luxury, but in the end its just how i see things..

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19 Jul 2024 07:12:56
Agree Ziko.

Nobody I know “hates” McTominay or uses him as an easy target.

He’s a good lad who has a really great attitude. He’s also poor on the ball and not good enough for a club with Champions League aspirations.

It can be both. We don’t have to make everything black and white.

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19 Jul 2024 08:55:52
Just like a few other maligned players I reckon McT would do an amazing job for a mid-table team without CL aspirations. I wouldn't say he was poor at much, just not outstanding at anything. Perfect squad material for a top team but surely better for the player to go somewhere he can make a real difference. Looks touch and go, the reported £40m tag seems steep to me but the Fulham bid below half that is off. I'd bite their hand off at £25m, but then again who can he be replaced with for that kind of money? Surely better to keep, as we run a risk of being a little light in certain areas.

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19 Jul 2024 09:04:38
Wazza exactly what I'm trying to say. I don't hate him, I even love him, his passion, desire for the club, I don't doubt that. But he's not a player who has to be in our team to challenge for the title.

"Challenge accepted Ziko
Sheffield United. " Bobbie :D Little bit hard but I would say Gustavo Hamer. But ok, McT goes in the starting 11 for Sheffield U.

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19 Jul 2024 11:33:48
Rumours Rabiot has explored hiring an agent to work alongside his mother which would be promising if true.

On the pitch (which is where it matters most) he has shown himself to be a very good player, he hasn't had any personal issues or has fallen out with other players or coaches. He seems to have a good attitude and works hard for the team, and to develop himself.

His mum has reportedly been too busy and interfering with clubs on his behalf, but that is something that can be handled easily enough.

I don't see much of a concern signing him for free on a 3 year deal, especially if they wages aren't too much of a problem. If he's demanding excessive wages and isn't prepared to compromise on them then it's a signing that maybe should be passed up on.

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19 Jul 2024 20:59:55
He’s demanding 150k a week apparently.

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20 Jul 2024 10:45:39
Fireman, if that's accurate I don't think that is too excessive given his age and that he is a free agent.

That's the same amount we are paying to Eriksen who was a year older when we signed him as a free agent.

I wouldn't expect him to accept much less than that to be fair. Although if he wants wages closer to or exceeding 200k per week then that isn't a deal we should consider.

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