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25 Jul 2021 15:23:46
Varane deal apparently moving forward circa 45M done by the end of the week.

Good window so far, if true.

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1.) 25 Jul 2021 16:04:00
Where you see that?! Anyone reliable?

{Ed014's Note - back of a fag packet


2.) 25 Jul 2021 16:12:00
Bouhafsi, about as good as it gets for French.


3.) 25 Jul 2021 16:22:59
Excellent signing on paper. Experience at the very top level and has great ability to both switch play and bring the ball out from the back.

However, he's very quick for a centre back but still strong and is good in the air, those are the areas where we needed an improvement on Lindelof and Varane brings that.


4.) 25 Jul 2021 17:09:26
If we can sign Varane we will have signed the best CB currently available. Players like Pau Torres or Kounde might go on to become better players but right now Varane is one of the top 5 best CB's in the world.

He ticks every box for what we want from a CB. Strong, quick, good in the air, can play out from the back, great reading of the game, world class ability and he has won everything there is to win in the game.

If signed we would have a CB as good as VvD and Dias.


5.) 25 Jul 2021 17:36:20
It remains to be seen if we do sign him and whether he can perform in the Premier League.

I don't know whether he would be available but I would prefer Laporte or Koulibaly. The latter is a huge guy who might be best suited to the physicality of english football.


6.) 25 Jul 2021 18:53:30
I'm not a fan of Koulibaly he seems like a player who relies heavily on his physical traits but isn't a good reader of the game.

Essentially he's a quicker Harry Maguire.


7.) 25 Jul 2021 19:31:10
Agree with Shappy on Koulibaly and in the past 2 seasons his injury record is a concern.

Varane has won everything with France and with Real Madrid.
That winning mentality which he can bring is invaluable.

{Ed0666's Note - very true varane is a serial winner shame his records gonna gonna get tainted now


8.) 25 Jul 2021 19:59:22
Gonna Gonna, is that why you are Ed0666 instead of Ed066. Just like more of everything?

{Ed033's Note - Maybe, it's because he's a Red and a Devil. :)


 

 

14 Jul 2021 11:30:29
Rumours are cooling on Camavinga.
Apparently prefers a move to Spain or PSG (as Ed002 has said) .

Utd also looking to add a third signing after Varane.

I hope this leads to Saul.

Saul, Varane and Sancho would be a huge upgrade.

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1.) 14 Jul 2021 12:24:42
Well with Heaton and Sancho agreed, and with Varane or at least one CB looking very likely that gives us three signings.

I'd imagine a fourth will very much depend on out goings and I doubt it'll be a hugely expensive signing, probably around the 20-35m price range after spending 70m on Sancho and around 50m on a CB.

Could be a RB, or a CM.


2.) 14 Jul 2021 12:28:11
Heaton doesn't count.


3.) 14 Jul 2021 12:45:32
Heaton is probably a third choice GK. He is likely to never make a first team appearance at 35 similar to Lee Grant.
So I don't count him as a signing.


4.) 14 Jul 2021 14:08:41
Surely the price range of any potential third signing depends on outgoings?

Let's say 70m ish on Sancho and 50m ish on a CB. £120m looks like quite a lot, but if we were to sell, for example: DDG, Lingard, Bailly/ Lindelof, Dalot, Perreira and hopefully Jones, that could easily be 70-100m in sales, maybe even more if we're lucky.

Spending another 50-60m on a CDM type doesn't seem so unrealistic after that. Especially if we then move on Pogba, Fred or Donny.


5.) 14 Jul 2021 14:41:58
Shappy I agree that 20-35 m seems a good call but get the feeling it may well be that sort of figure to extend pp contract- do hope i'm wrong though.


6.) 14 Jul 2021 17:47:07
Of course Heaton counts, did Grant or Romero not count? Did Telles not count?

Just because a player is signed for a squad role that doesn't mean they don't count.

Also I wouldn't be surprised to see one of DDG or Henderson leave this summer, which would make Heaton our No.2 keeper. He might play more often than you think.

Thorne, I don't think it works like that. Maybe on FIFA you can sell players to bolster your transfer kitty. But in the real world both of the signings of Sancho and any CB we sign will have been calculated on a number of outgoings and a certain about of income.

With Varane or a similar 50m signing at CB that would bring our spending to 123m not including the substantial "agents" fees which for Sancho alone is rumoured to be in the region of 40m.

The club has never really spent more than 150m in one window, regardless of how much they receive from outgoing transfers.

Which means to match our biggest summer spend we would be looking at around 25-30m on any additional signings.

Considering all the financial pressures all clubs are under currently I highly doubt we'll see more than 150-160m in total spent.


7.) 14 Jul 2021 20:58:26
Isn't Saul off to Barcelona now.


8.) 15 Jul 2021 08:01:47
Grim that's what I'm hearing. With Greasyman going the other way apparently.


9.) 15 Jul 2021 08:59:49
I think the Greizmann/ Saul swap actually makes a lot of sense.

Barcelona have signed Depay and Aguero so have less of a need for Greizmann who has never quite fit in to that Barcelona side. While with Pjanic presumably on his way out and Busquests not getting any younger, a player like Saul makes a lot of sense for them.

Atletico on the other hands want to get Saul's large long term contract off the wage bill and are in need of a forward. Griezmann having previously been there ticks all the boxes with the comfort of knowing that he will be a success as he previously was.


 

 

13 Jul 2021 10:51:29
Any truth in James to Leeds?

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{Ed002's Note - Daniel James (LW/RW) may be lucky and get a loan. Leeds have asked for a loan with an option to buy. Will be available.}


1.) 13 Jul 2021 12:30:20
Sensible move for him. Looks like the club are betting on Diallo being a decent option of the bench. Atleast it ensures he gets some game time.


2.) 13 Jul 2021 12:46:51
I think James will improve under Bielsa who I think is an excellent manager.


3.) 13 Jul 2021 16:20:15
I like Dan James, he has the right attitude and can be a useful player. The issue is his game currently isn't diverse enough to play every week for a side expected to challenge for honours.

Rashford, Sancho, Martial and Greenwood will all be ahead of him. While Amad and Pellistri will soon be challenging, along with Elanga and Shoretire.


4.) 13 Jul 2021 16:57:38
He is still young and with a proper coach should improve a lot. I would loan but not with option to buy but option of first refusal if we later decide to sell.


5.) 13 Jul 2021 17:57:30
James is a winger with zero moves. Amad has far more potential.


6.) 13 Jul 2021 23:17:47
We can't just keep buying players someone has to go to make room for amad and sancho. Looks like Jesse and James will be the firsts that leave to make space.
If we sign a rb and a cb you will probably see tuanzebe and Dale make way while Williams will go on loan i'd imagine.
The squad is pretty much set then with the 2 real question marks over the will he stay or go pogba and keeper selection.
If he goes we will sign someone to replace him i guess.


7.) 13 Jul 2021 23:22:28
‘His game isn’t diverse enough’ is a polite way of saying he isn’t good enough Shappy, nothing about him suggests he ever will be. Good lad, works hard, puts the effort in defensively, as you say is not and will never be good enough for a team challenging for titles.

The media and pundit love in for him is unbelievable in my opinion, at the Euro’s he was being talked about like he had a stormer every game, whereas he just ran fast with no end product as always.


8.) 14 Jul 2021 08:04:11
Dan was excellent in the Turkey game, he just needs to develop his end product.


9.) 14 Jul 2021 12:38:08
GDS, he has explosive pace which is a huge asset, he also has a great attitude, works hard and is keen to learn and develop.

If he can develop his all round game so he is less of a one trick pony then he could be a very good player.

I don't think he has world class ability or potential. However, not everyone of our players needs to be world class. All our success over the past 30 years has been underpinned by hard working talented squad players who are able to come in a do a job but are content enough to not start every game.

I think if James can develop his game he could become one of those players. They are vital and rarely get the credit they deserve, but few teams win things without a few of them in the squad.


 

 

16 May 2021 12:03:12
Hey Ed
Any chance of an update regarding out goings at Utd?

Grant and Romero are out frees and Jones to the championship seems expected but not clear on De Gea, Axel, Pogba, Lingard, Mata, Dalot, Andreas and where they could be off to?

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{Ed002's Note - It will be pretty much the same as last time I explained.}


1.) 18 May 2021 15:00:42
Heard Madrid are interested in Big Phil Jones as since Bale went to Spurs, the medical staff at Real are out of practice dealing with injuries.
Apparently Big Phil has been house hunting in the area in preparation of the big move. I know I will not be alone in wishing him all the best.


 

 

03 May 2021 12:12:11
Are there any rumours of the Glazers even considering selling up?

And is there anyone in the frame to buy the club?

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1.) 03 May 2021 13:00:11
I'll check down the back of the sofa and see if I can scrape together a spare 4bn😂.

{Ed014's Note - your word count on this site can’t be far off 4 billion Shappy 😉


2.) 04 May 2021 08:48:47
Bill Gates' Mrs, I hear she's coming into money.


3.) 04 May 2021 19:31:28
Wildest of unfounded rumours:

What if SAF meeting with PSG owners was related to a possible takeover?


4.) 05 May 2021 16:40:52
He just wanted to buy a Saudi horse.


5.) 05 May 2021 20:16:07
Or get a free drink at the bar.


 

 

 

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20 Aug 2021 17:56:11
Why can't Fred be the single pivot?

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{Ed077's Note - Because he isnt good enough. Simple really, IMO}


1.) 20 Aug 2021 18:12:21
Because he can’t make a 5 yard pass.


2.) 20 Aug 2021 19:01:10
Because his skill set does not match the role.

A single pivot or No.6 in England acts as a "sitting" or "holding" player who marks the space in front of the defence. They act as the centre point of the team always offering a passing option, and often dictating the play by speeding up or slowing down the recycling of possession by making either horizontal or vertical passes.

They need excellent spatial awareness, great reading of the game, be press resistant, and most of all an expansive passing range.

Fred is like a mad dog in midfield, charging down everyone and engaging in tackles and challenges everywhere. He doesn't have the spatial awareness or the reading of the game to know when to engage safely and when to hold back and mark the space. His passing range is only ambitious in the fact that he thinks he can make those more dangerous passes rather than him actually being able to.

If a single pivot vacates the space then you have a wide open gap in the heart of your midfield.

That is why Fred can't play as a single pivot.


3.) 20 Aug 2021 19:11:01
Poor first touch, positioning, aerial strength, passing range.


4.) 20 Aug 2021 20:03:04
Just need a bit more discipline for that role. Carrick is my perfect player for it. It’s also no fair to expect Fred to do it, it’s not his game and not what he’s was doing when we signed him from his last club (I want to say Shaktar? )


5.) 20 Aug 2021 20:37:09
The word pivot didn't exist in football until last season. What in blazes is it, and why wasn't it there before :D.


6.) 20 Aug 2021 20:39:00
Yes Ports, he was a box to box midfielder for Shaktar.
And also for Brazil, he played an advanced midfield role with Casemiro shielding the defence.


7.) 20 Aug 2021 21:45:49
I wonder what this site would make of a team that included Fabio, Rafael, O'Shea (midfield) , Gibson, Smalling, Brown and Hernandez back in 2011. It beat arsenal 2-0.
A squad doesn't need all the worlds best players in each position.
I like Fred, he gives his all.


8.) 20 Aug 2021 22:14:51
Yes Remi. It takes all sorts in a squad. The nature of the site is about rumours and transfers, so inevitably there is a lot of interest in new possible signings.

Fred and McTom work pretty well together. As 2 x box to box, one stays one goes type of balance.

But to search for a formation that fits Pogba and Fernandes in a midfield everyone feels the need for a disciplined defensive mid who let's the rest if the team play. That would take a Carrick or busquets type player, which is pretty rare.


9.) 20 Aug 2021 23:54:44
All the pivot, double pivot, false 9, false 8 1/ 2, Risgista, mezzela nonsense is middle management speak designed to sound smart. It's all absolute pony!


10.) 21 Aug 2021 07:16:54
If you open your eyes and watch Fred play football, then you can simply see why he isn't good enough.


11.) 21 Aug 2021 08:06:18
That’s not his game to be honest…… never will be and never should be with his skill set……. Which is dubious at best for a supposed top 4 team.


12.) 21 Aug 2021 09:50:18
Spenno, of course it was try reading some books on football tactics. I've read some that are more than 10 years old that describe midfield pivots.

Mumbles, maybe. Although I have another theory. It's just tactics talk. With the global appeal of football and the multicultural nature of top level football there is a greater need for a singular football language that coaches can use that all footballers understand regardless of what their mother tongue is.

Mezzala's and Regista's are Italian phases that denote a specific midfield role. They translate as into something like half field player. It's not a different role, just a specific name in a different language for a role played in most other countries. Much like a Raumdeuter which is a German term which directly translates as "space investigator" which denotes a player whose job it is to find pockets of space in attacking areas.

In England a Regista would be a traditional No.6. a Mezzala would be more like a No.8, although typically plays in the half spaces on either side of a three man midfield.

I think as the internet has enabled people to become more involved in football, been better able to research, read and dive down deeper into tactics and the like then football commentary has had to evolve and become more technical to keep up.

We have seen football commentary evolve from merely descriptive, just telling people what happened, to trying to give insight to what the players are thinking, to now something more tactical.


13.) 22 Aug 2021 01:07:44
Brazilian football must be in the doldrums if Free can get into the squad……or we are all
Wrong and he’s a decent player….


 

 

31 Jul 2021 14:38:57
Saul in and Pogba out would be a dream.

I rate Pogba but our system doesn't suit him and he's too inconsistent.

If we can get Saul and DM in the next window or this we'd have a very good team. Not just good individuals.

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1.) 31 Jul 2021 19:04:57
A midfield of Saul and Fred are going to run terrors for oppositions like realmadrid and Barcelona.


2.) 31 Jul 2021 19:12:28
I know Saul is highly rated by many but I think Neves would be a great fit as he has the PL experience and his partnership with Bruno could work wonders for the team.


3.) 31 Jul 2021 20:05:36
Not a big fan of Neves myself, I think if he didn’t score the 1 good goal in every 50 attempts people wouldn’t think he was that good.


4.) 31 Jul 2021 20:05:36
Not a big fan of Neves myself, I think if he didn’t score the 1 good goal in every 50 attempts people wouldn’t think he was that good.


5.) 31 Jul 2021 22:05:26
Imagine our highlight reels with Pogba and Neves in midfield :)
Dare I say, even Bruno is starting to become a highlight player.
He misplaces and mistimes a lot of passes, a lot. Oezil creates 50% more than him.
Bruno has a high workrate, but he's been great for the last 7-8 months or so. If that is tiredness of defenders know what he's going to do.


6.) 31 Jul 2021 22:29:41
GDS, Neves is the closest player I have seen to Carrick in the EPL.

Maybe like Carrick that sort of player tends to go under the radar in the UK.


7.) 31 Jul 2021 22:33:40
I think Neves is very overrated. A good but not top player. As an aside I do fear for Wolves. they have sold a lot of their better players and lost a good manager. They might struggle.


8.) 01 Aug 2021 00:14:13
We could afford Neves and Saul.

And have you seen Real and Barca? We'd be equal if not better.


 

 

14 Jul 2021 11:40:15
When do we think Sancho will be announced?

New kit launch tomorrow? Seems logical to be then or Friday.

Going to be a Sanchez level production imo.

Big signal to sponsors ahead of new training deal.

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1.) 14 Jul 2021 11:46:40
Hopefully it isn't Sanchez level production on the pitch from Sancho.


2.) 14 Jul 2021 12:39:40
I've heard Sancho can't play the piano but is an awesome tambourine player🤣.


3.) 14 Jul 2021 13:25:46
I’d have though he was more of a triangle man myself shappy.


4.) 14 Jul 2021 18:54:09
By loud haler.


 

 

12 Jul 2021 11:49:30
Feel for the Utd lads today.

Maguire's penalty was majestic.
Shaw with the goal.

And then Rashford and Sancho
I don't understand the logic at all and they where set up to fail.

If Sterling or Grealish weren't taking penalties they should have come off with at least 5 mins of play left.

For as much praise Southgate merits he should not be immune to criticism.

He completely failed the players and the game management.

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1.) 12 Jul 2021 12:30:21
Completely failed the players, a bit harsh. England were a a couple of penalties away from winning a tournament for the first time in 55 years.
Its easy for the armchair managers to sit back and criticise after the fact, how does being on the pitch for 5 minutes improve your chance of converting a penalty as apposed to 1 minute, Belotti missed and he was on the pitch for 30 minutes.


2.) 12 Jul 2021 13:06:40
I’ve just replied to Leahy up the page, I think the safety first approach was unhelpful in the final particularly after we had scored. And I don’t believe for one minute that Southgate o picked the penalty takers, it’s great he’s taking responsibility but did he really pick Saka to take one? I very much doubt it.


3.) 12 Jul 2021 13:48:40
AJH

Grealish said he wanted to take one, who could overrule that?


4.) 12 Jul 2021 14:05:22
Of course he picked saka to take one ajh. Who else do you think picked him?


5.) 12 Jul 2021 15:25:46
Well that just defies logic. Why on Earth would he have asked Saka ahead of Sterling or Grealish? Bizarre that he did that.


6.) 12 Jul 2021 15:31:48
Yeah its an odd one. Grealish has come out today and said he wanted to take one and said so but he said the manager made the choices.
1 more reason to dislike grealish. He should be keeping his moth shut and not pointing fingers just to get himself off the hook. Nobody will make a silk purse out of that sows ear. He is too self absorbed and stupid.


7.) 12 Jul 2021 17:04:02
Surely there isn't much to debate about the choices for the penalties.

Southgate wrote down on a piece of paper the names and the order while the players were still playing.

He has since come out and said he made the choices based off of their performances during practice sessions.

Which is fair enough, if Grealish scored 5 out of 8 pens in practice but Saka scored 8 out of 8, then who'd you put your money on without hindsight?

The lesson that has surely been learned now though is that how you perform on the security and pressure free environment of the training ground is in no way a direct comparison for how you will perform in the pressure cooker environment of a major international final with millions of people world wide watching you.

If you're a professional footballer you can score from 12 yards. However, taking penalties just as saving them is 90% attitude and 10% skill. Having the cojones to step up and not feel the pressure, to be the coolest man in the ground, and to just do what you need to.


8.) 12 Jul 2021 17:37:59
I would not have put Maguire down as one of my five but what a penalty that was.


9.) 12 Jul 2021 21:22:44
Best of the lot oakbark.


10.) 13 Jul 2021 09:00:34
It’s a bit naive basing penalties just on practice. Pressure of the situation must also be taken into account, that has to be a consideration by the manager. It looks like Southgate went to both Grealish and Saka, then decided Saka. The fifth pen is likely to be vital, so Southgate was utterly wrong in choosing a 19 year old kid who had never taken a pen in earnest. Grealish has a confidence, a swagger about him which I think would have made a difference and the decision was one of a few strange ones from Southgate.


11.) 13 Jul 2021 09:06:09
Oakbark, I think that just proves the point that Southgate was basing it on something he has seen from the players in training.

Has Maguire ever taken a penalty? Did anyone feel confident that Maguire would score as he walked up to take England's second penalty, especially with players like Rashford, Sancho, Grealish, Sterling, Saka and even Philips who does take the occasional set-piece yet to step up.

Yet Maguire stepped up and smashed the ball home with the confidence and in the cold clinical way you'd expect from a 30+ goals a season striker, not a centre back.

Clearly that was something Southgate must have seen on the training ground. But like I said, the training ground does not recreate the high pressure environment that a major final does.


12.) 13 Jul 2021 09:44:50
To be fair Ken, grealish was called out for not being brave enough to take a pen, he says he wanted to take one, he either keeps quiet and is seen as a bit cowardly for not taking one and leaving it to young players if he says nothing but digging out the manager if he says the truth .
He says he wanted to take one and the manager chose others instead.


 

 

14 Jun 2021 19:13:26
Any chance of Saul?
&
Pogba to Juventus?

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25 Aug 2021 20:25:16
Neves is a better fit for us.

I rate Saul but he's a Pogba replacement.

Neves could be a good DM for us.

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25 Aug 2021 12:22:03
Andy Cole and Big Pete went at the end of their careers for a big payday.

See Ronnie go their as the same.

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24 Jul 2021 18:58:08
Ole has done a hell of a lot behind the scenes that had to be done.

We've progressed every season and now the I expect trophies. If he doesn't deliver there will be options and I'd expect with investment comes expectations.

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17 Jul 2021 12:21:08
Thanks for the info Ed.
Who would be interested in RL?
Doesn't he have some ambition to play for Real Madrid? I remember reading something about that once.

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14 Jul 2021 12:28:11
Heaton doesn't count.

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26 Aug 2021 20:02:20
Didn't care when Coley went don't care now.

Like Etoo going to Anzhi.

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21 Aug 2021 23:11:49
Do you mean Lewis Dunk?

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13 Aug 2021 10:11:40
Paul Ince has talked so much rubbish over the last few years I would not pay any attention to what he says.

Ince was a fine player but far from a great and looking at how things went after Ince went for both player and club, I'd say Ferguson was right on him.

Sold just before he declined, we need to get back to that ruthlessness.

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12 Aug 2021 20:42:22
Good post but Ole will be managing Norway by the time he has finished reading Shappy's contributions.

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05 Aug 2021 19:52:41
AC Milan for van Basten
Parma for CM97/ 98 team.

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