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Where from: Kilkenny, Ireland


Favourite player: Roy Keane


Best team moment: Watching Man Utd win the 98/99 European Cup. I don\'t believe any other team will win it so dramatically


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21 Jul 2019 16:59:25
I believe the maguire deal is done. All happy with the signing?

angelred

1.) 21 Jul 2019 17:46:18
Could well be our era's Steve Bruce signing. But what a great stop gap to lead Lindelof and Tuanzabe. Ultimately when it comes to replacing a player of Maguire's ability you at the very top of the market.
Would be a smart signing.


2.) 21 Jul 2019 17:58:49
Not my first choice I’ll admit but he will improve our defence which is looking much stronger and more balanced now.
It should also allow a couple to depart.


3.) 21 Jul 2019 18:01:57
Expensive stop gap 😂.


4.) 21 Jul 2019 18:19:03
Why do we think it's done? Obviously you mean pending medical but I've only seen unreliable reports atm.

Have i missed something.


5.) 21 Jul 2019 18:26:52
We haven't signed him yet.


6.) 21 Jul 2019 18:36:59
Not a great fan, but I hope he does well if he does arrive. Hopefully those who think like me will give him a chance, and not turn on him if he doesn't hit the ground running.


7.) 21 Jul 2019 19:07:25
Same as you Nou. I think there are better options out there but will back him a 100%. I do think he is an improvement.


8.) 21 Jul 2019 21:47:13
Expensive but the best we can get and we moan the club don't spend.


9.) 21 Jul 2019 21:59:44
Angle
Your going to back him 100% .
For how long?


10.) 21 Jul 2019 22:46:57
Jred, There are a lot of players who have come through the doors at the club who do not have the right attitude. If I question a player, I know it is justified.

Maguire, needs a proper chance at the club to show his worth. If we look at him a couple of years down the road and let's say he is consistently out of shape or simply not giving it his all, he will be questioned.

Hope that helps 😊.


11.) 22 Jul 2019 01:30:04
So about the same time people give managers before questioning them. Players and managers all need support until they have shown their worth. Some people call for managers to be sacked some call for players to be sold.
Some opinions change if players improve or managers improve or indeed over time. Sometimes patience pays off sometimes it doesn't
Opinions in football are as fluid as players form and performances.


12.) 22 Jul 2019 01:42:20
Only time will tell with maguire.
I think he will do well.
Im well aware of his alleged frailties but he has attributes we need. The timing is right. I predict he will like AWB be a huge fan faviurite.
The money is crazy but that's the way it is.
I can't think of a lower risk option.
If he and awb help us concede a dozen less goals then its money well spent.
He is a tryer he is playing at a level well above where his good given talent affords him.
Just like carragher neville terry adams bruce even today at top clubs davison sanchez at spurs loveren or matip at Liverpool luiz at chelsea stones at city. Maguire is better than all of them and they play most weeks.
Maguire will improve our team and imo would get into any top 6 side ahead of those in mentioned.


13.) 22 Jul 2019 05:45:36
At the moment, Maguire will walk into our side.
Moves Lindelof to his preferred Right side.
Dangerous in set piece at both the boxes.
Can pick a pass which means he is another attacking outlet.
Ofcourse he has his deficiencies, But I would easily pick him over Jones or Smalling or Rojo.

We are not challenging for the title. We cannot offer Champions League.
Do you guys really think it is attractive for the likes of Varane or De Ligt to join us?
We need to be realistic.


 

 

05 Jul 2019 13:45:05
Seems like you're bang on with Fernandes. We are very keen.

Will you be doing any sharkopods this summer?

angelred

{Ed002's Note - I hope so. My issue has been a great deal of travel and even though I am in England right now it is only for a few more days.}


1.) 05 Jul 2019 14:01:11
Ed I have a story about travel.
This blonde woman got on a plane and went to sit in first class, the stewardess noticed she hadn't paid first class, sorry you will have to move to the back of the plane, I'm blonde I'm beautiful and I'm going to Dublin she said and wouldn't move, so the stewardess told the Co pilot and captain, the Co pilot went back same thing I'm blonde I'm beautiful and I'm going to Dublin.
Soo the captain says I have a blonde wife ill deal with this, he went back whispered in her ear and she got up and moved to the back of the plane, what did you sayto her says the co pilot, I just told her only the back of the plane was going to Dublin😊.

{Ed002's Note - Very good. What's the difference between American pilots and Iraqi pilots? American pilots break ground and fly into the wind.}


2.) 05 Jul 2019 15:12:59
Perhaps we could take you on a tour of the cobbled streets of Manchester Ed 😁.


3.) 05 Jul 2019 16:30:06
Very good ed.


4.) 05 Jul 2019 18:06:38
We hope so too ed! Safe travels.


5.) 05 Jul 2019 22:55:56
Sorry guys, as an Iraqi I find the above joke very offensive.

{Ed002's Note - But sadly you are no more than a cretinous liar.}


6.) 05 Jul 2019 23:49:01
Mutanabi it's a joke, I'm all my life listening to jokes about Irishman, cork men, whatever but I laugh at them. Lighten up and laugh it helps.


 

 

08 Oct 2018 06:36:00
Ed001 if you're about. it'd be great to know your opinion on the daily mirror journalist who has had his media pass revoked by United?

angelred

{Ed001's Note - I don't know anything about the journalist sorry. I do know his pass was revoked because he was set to talk to BeIn Sports TV channel about his story on Jose being set to be sacked pitchside before the game at the weekend. The club were upset that he would do so during the build up to a match right there. Understandably I think. In my opinion they had every right to stop him disrupting the build up to an important game like that.}


1.) 08 Oct 2018 07:35:44
Thanks ed001. I just meant about the situation.

I wish clubs clamped down harder on journalist in general. I know clubs should be open to scrutiny but the level of crap that has been written about united recently, I was happy to see action being taken.

{Ed001's Note - so you want clubs to dictate to newspapers what they can write? You are advocating censorship? Sorry I disagree. That story came from a legitimate source within the club, he had every right to write it and put it out there.}


2.) 08 Oct 2018 07:41:21
Esq could you give your views on our current state if you have time. The media have placed the blame firmly on Jose but I think that is very much incorrect. Although he isn't the best suited manager out their to the "United way" some of the players have been appalling to say the least and it seems he hasn't been backed 100% by the board. As a fan what I ask of from everyone involved is first and foremost 100% effort. It shouldn't matter whether you like the manager or not, whether you like the tealady or not, if you are a part of the association then you can't have these childish attitude towards the club and I don't just mean it for United and United players. You should be true to your job and fully professional at the least.

It happened at Chelsea, it happened at Leicester too, 2 prime examples of the recent times. I think player power is starting to get out of control in football as a whole.

On a side note Ed 1, who do you think United will go for if (when? ) Jose goes out of the door and who do you think we should go after? I think we might go for Zidane and I think it would be the 2nd worst choice (first being Big Sam) . I think when we go for a new manager, we should do what City and Liverpool have done, get a manager that plays the desired style of football, has a bit of success proven himself somewhere for a few years and give him 2_3 years time before demanding all sorts of results and that goes for us fans too. We should do a proper rebuild of the club and how it is run.

Rant over
Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - it is never 100% totally one person's fault, but Jose has to take a large portion of the blame, over 50% of it, for the way he has handled things. He has been confrontational and never willing to compromise. He has been deliberately obstructive at times and has come into the job in all the wrong way from the start. That has turned the board and players against him, when initially they were almost entirely on his side.

This is not the same situation as at either Chelsea or Leicester. This is a man who knew there were people who were not keen on his appointment and then has deliberately and wilfully antagonised them by making it known he hated living in Manchester and refusing to buy a house in the area. If you start a relationship at someone's throat and you are unwilling to compromise, the only way it goes is downhill.

He has put himself into a situation where he has made it all about himself and his demands. Only he is to blame for that.

Both the board and the players could have responded better to his actions, you are correct, but the mess there right now is largely down to Jose.

Having said that, just getting rid of Jose will not fix it, as he is just the major problem, not the whole problem. There is a need to remove Ed Woodward from any involvement with the football side of things at all, I would argue that should probably extend to the whole of United, as the achievements he has made are those any junior executive should have been able to do. A genuine football person needs to come in to oversee the football side of things, to create a blueprint for the type of football the club, as a whole, will look to play and to bring in the people to achieve that goal at all levels. That is far more important than the manager, in modern day football, as they are the roles the old school football manager at clubs like United used to fulfil. Ferguson was never a coach, in fact there were large periods where he never even got time to get to the training ground. United need to stop trying to hang on to this idealised version of what he did and move into the real world and see what he actually did. Once that is done, then the club can catch the team on the other side of the city.

As for a replacement, I really don't know. The desire of most is a big name or club legend, as anyone else would be an issue with regards to club profile and stock market value. Which is why Zidane is favourite. Because of that I do think I think I can remove options like Howe from the running. It does look like Zidane, Carrick or Giggs, as there are very few other options out there.}


3.) 08 Oct 2018 07:58:11
Dictate? I've just read my post again and that's a bit of a leap made by you.

There is a constant stream of bull**** stories published by the English media and most of the time they are never held accountable.

Something has to be done.

The next time a journalist wants to go pitchside and discuss a story like that before a game, he might think twice.

What about all of the other stories written without a shred of information or sources?

{Ed001's Note - what about them? That is not up to the club to stop, that is up to the morons who keep clicking on the links. All you have to do is not click on them as a fanbase and they will go away.}


4.) 08 Oct 2018 08:15:49
Ed, In this day and age. do you think that is going to happen? Really? In a world of brexit and President Trump.

I think as a journalist you stop with writing the clickbait crap, if you don't do that, I think you should be held accountable for your own nonsense.

{Ed001's Note - I agree it shouldn't be written, but if people are dumb enough to keep clicking the links, someone will keep writing them. I certainly wouldn't write it, I hate it with a passion and would love to see it vanish, but it is down to people as a whole to see sense and stop being such gullible fools and clicking on the links.}


5.) 08 Oct 2018 08:28:34
I know you don't write it. That's completely evident.

But the majority of these so called journalists have incredible following and ability to make people believe. That is the age that we live in unfortunately.

Someone has to be held accountable and I have no problem with journalists within the media rooms of clubs having their passes revoked by the clubs if they write complete and utter crap.

I'd imagine you'll see less and less of it being wrote as those journos live to be in those rooms. If they aren't there, then they don't get paid.

{Ed001's Note - I agree with the passes being revoked and it should be done publicly as well with a full explanation of why it has been revoked. I just disagree with your suggestion of clamping down harder. The problem is that you will end up with a situation like happened under Ferguson, when every journo who wrote the truth was banned in order to shut them up.}


6.) 08 Oct 2018 08:47:44
Lol I don't want it to go full dictator. I just don't believe that these people should be allowed to be in these media rooms when they are unable to do their job.

When i mean clamp down, I meant exactly what i elaborated on in the posts above. Thise writing absolutely crap should be held accountable. Those actually doing there job no matter how it reflects on the club should be actually be applauded. I know those journalists still exist and should be lauded.

{Ed001's Note - if the club could be trusted to do that fairly I would agree, but they can't. They are only interested in protecting their own interest.}


7.) 08 Oct 2018 08:50:16
I think a DOF of sorts is a must for Us, and if he is a guy that is liked by Fans and all then maybe the best option football wise as coach wouldn't be the hardest thing to achieve. And also ed1 I was never trying to say Jose is not at fault, what my point is people in general seem to think firing Jose and hiring a new manager will be solution I think Jose is, as you said, the biggest part of the problem but not the whole problem. I think this having to be a big name and/ or an ex player so that the fans will get behind them and the stock value won't plummet approach will eventually lead us into obscurity if not dealt with properly in time. If the club appoints a competent guy who is not yet a big name it doesn't matter to me as a fan and I think it shouldn't matter to others as well. What should matter is that the guy is leading us in the correct direction. Just a random name and not the first choice I would make but Eugenio Di Francesco will get my full backing if he is leading us to the correction direction irrespective of the fact that he is not a big name manager or has never played for United. On the other hand Mark Hughes would be a terrible choice although he is an ex player and so is Steve Bruce. This is already starting on the wrong side. Only half decent ex man it's player turned manager is Blanc and he isn't that great either. Our club is turning into a huge mess and that won't be solved just by saving Jose. It may be a start but that doesn't end there.

Also ed1 I was not trying to say that we are in the same position as Chelsea or Leicester. It was just an example of player power getting out of hand. Speaking of Leicester, what is Ranier up to these days, I think even he would be better than Zidane. I don't know why but I am not convinced by Zidane, although he has won more European trophy in 3 yrs than SAF managed in his whole Career. Something just doesn't seem right to me yet.

{Ed001's Note - I wasn't meaning it to suggest you were saying those things, it was just trying to address the whole discussion I have seen on the pages over recent weeks.

I agree on Zidane, he is not convincing at all.}


8.) 08 Oct 2018 08:56:56
So ed I know someone above has mentioned why and who would replace Jose, but have you heard anything about him leaving? Do you expect him to go soon? Personally I'd prefer to see Carrick and McKenna in charge for this season find a director of football by Christmas then see if the management issue needs to be changed at the end of the season or if those 2 are doing a good job.

{Ed001's Note - I do expect him to go because he has antagonised so many people it is only a matter of time before it comes to a head. Wins like the one at the weekend are only papering over the cracks. I don't know if the rumoured meeting did take place or not, but there is certainly a growing number of people who are pushing for him to be removed.}


9.) 08 Oct 2018 09:24:02
For all I have written above (with a million typos- do you guys even understand half of that, even I have to read it twice to be sure what I was trying to write) , United need to part ways with Jose and that is inevitable. However sweet the result at the weekend was, we were down 2_0 to a team that looks like will find hard to survive and that at home. Jose needs to take a huge share of the blame for that. The players need to put 100% effort, that is the minimum I as a fan expect but Jose is the guy in charge to ensure that does not change. Having a team full of players that don't seem like they want to break a sweat go out to play, well he makes the decision on who plays so he takes the blame too. Not all of it, but a huge chunk of it.

I think we could do a lot worse than Mr. Wenger for a shirt term solution. He might even end up being a good DOF ( who knows) . Also Conte is out of Job.
The number of so called big name manager out of job might make the board act quicker as they seemingly have the options available. Just off the top of my head Ranieri, Wenger, Zidane, Conte, Roger Schmidt, Sampaoli, they all are out of job and/ or in a position where they will be attainable a bit easily. A random name and he is at a club that was once a rival to us but wouldn't it be a hell of a journey if Mr Madman Bielsa was at our great club. That would be fun. If you think Pep plays exciting football, well he is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to high octane energetic football, a rollercoaster ride.

I know you would enjoy Bielsa at a top club ( maybe not at Utd) ed1.


On a side note Ed, with all this uncertainty is there any update on the transfer front or has this toxic environment halted the plan once more?

Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - the club will always continue to look at players but right now they do not even know who they will be recruiting for. It is difficult to sign players who want to know the coach who will be training them and picking them.}


10.) 08 Oct 2018 09:44:01
Exactly what I was fearing of. This kind of uncertainty happened under Van Has too and it led us to shafting a long term plan and taking the high road. Not the best decision but Van Has did warrant the sack. The club need to quickly decide what they want to do in this scenario, either fully back Jose or sack him. There are options available to the club so just make a well thought out logical decision that doesn't look at what the share prices will be tomorrow but rather looks at where will this potentially lead us to this time next year and year after that. A similar scenario resulted ultimately into this mess and also cost us Saul Niguez amongst others (according to ed2, we were going to hold+ a meeting with Atleti nut all plans were cancelled back then) . Don't want a repeat of similar situation where the club is direction less for a significant time.

Just imagine Sail in our Midfield. What a player he is, one of the best midfielders unlike someone who is always a potentially one of the best but doesn't have the time to take his head out of his backside.

{Ed001's Note - Saul is a fantastic player.}


11.) 08 Oct 2018 10:16:13
What would you do if you were incharge ed? Short term solution? Long term? Dof first? Or even stick with mourinho?

{Ed001's Note - right now you have to get through the season with as little damage as possible, so I would bring in a DoF with the remit to look over the club from top to bottom ready to get cracking next summer. Then I would give Jose a bit longer, to see if he can rein himself in long enough to see the team through. He only has to cope long enough for the DoF to identify the long term options and appoint one of them. But it has to be the man at the top first, as it needs to all stem from him.}


12.) 08 Oct 2018 10:24:18
Ed001 - I think that is superb reply and I totally agree with you about SAF. It is my understanding that as his career progressed he took a step back and became a brilliant delegator. He regularly changed his assistants and coaching staff to freshen things up, implement new ideas and keep the players motivated. He became more of an observer which gave him the advantage of being able to assess exactly what was going on at the football Club.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said any new DOF will become the most important person at the Club most certainly from a footballing perspective anyway. They will drive the footballing strategy and vision.

I was always slightly curious why we couldn't have adopted this approach when SAF retired. I think he could have remained in post for a couple of seasons as a figurehead whilst Moyes took control of the team. He would have been a valuable asset and maybe he could have been more actively involved in player recruitment aiding both Moyes and Woodward through a difficult first window. I'd have liked to have seen a slower more measured transition where Moyes was approached and offered the job as head coach ultimately taking the main role the following season or even the season after. It might just have given the Club time to find its feet and put measures in place to fill the massive void when SAF eventually retired. Of course this is all just pie in the sky reasoning but ultimately the great man was always going to retire and maybe his biggest legacy could have been overseeing the next step and ensuring the Club continued to dominate rather than just leaving a vacuous hole they have been unable to fill. Johan Cruyff left Barcelona with a footballing philosophy which has endured for decades even after his untimely death. He has provided the Club with a blueprint and recipe for continued success. I'd have like to have seen Utd follow suit with SAF engineering and planning his own retirement and legacy rather than just leaving suddenly. Of course this all sounds great in theory but I appreciate in reality it's easier said than done. Maybe he just couldn't commit any more of his time and things happened suddenly which we're out of his control. Its all ancient history now anyway.

{Ed001's Note - I think the problem you had was that Fergie was still around and it never works out when the previous, legendary, manager is still around. Busby stepped upstairs and it didn't help at all. Shankly was causing a similar issue at Liverpool after he quit, so he was asked to stay away. Cruyff went off to rebuild Ajax (if I remember correctly) so he was not there overshadowing his successors. Fergie is too strong a character to just put him to one side, unlike Paisley, for example, who acted as advisor when Dalglish was first appointed up until he fully retired in 1989 and then it all fell apart for Liverpool without him. When you have someone as strong as Fergie, it has to be a clean break or his shadow is over everything.

Your biggest problem was that he was in control of pretty much everything at the club. Great while he was there, but the minute he went it left a massive power vacuum that Eddy Woodwouldward could never hope to fill and Moyes had no intention of getting involved to that degree of micro-management. So you were left with a lot of people who no longer knew who to report to.}


13.) 08 Oct 2018 10:56:22
Is there any plans to remove Woodward or is he safe? He definitely needs to be removed from any influence over the football side.

{Ed001's Note - the plan is to appoint someone to come in and take over the football side from him but I don't believe his position to be in threat.}


14.) 08 Oct 2018 12:03:44
Hi Ed, thanks for your input into these posts it’s very interesting and helps to get some perspective.

I know things are all hypothetical but if Jose is removed in the near future do you see the club making a point to put in someone in the DoF post as the top priority?

Would make sense and have a temporary head coach until this position is filled?

{Ed001's Note - the club is already searching for one, so I would think that would be the way they would look to go.}


15.) 08 Oct 2018 12:07:18
Waking up and seeing the red response from you gives me goosebumps Ed001, seriously lol. Do agree with you, it is Jose's fault, preventable issues etc but getting rid of him won't sort everything out. But one thing, what is the need for him to buy a house if he's the only one living in it? City centre apartment is actually more convenient for him?

Also, did you see Mbappe's 4 goal haul yesterday? Incredible player with an elite mentality; saying he should have got a few more lol.

{Ed001's Note - because buying a house would allow his family to come up and stay in Manchester from time to time and visit him. It wouldn't have to be a house, but I just meant all that time in the hotel was just saying I am not putting down roots.

I haven't seen Mbappe's goals yet.}


16.) 08 Oct 2018 12:11:27
Also, what do you think of Eddie Howe Ed? Seen his name mentioned quite a bit recenty.

{Ed001's Note - I am not convinced by Howe personally. His teams' are inconsistent because he has no idea how to coach defence. He is another Roberto Martinez/Marco Silva - great when it works but all comes crashing down when things go against him. He is just lucky there not to have had a proper sticky patch, as he threw in the towel elsewhere when it happened.}


17.) 08 Oct 2018 12:32:36
Ed do you know if the reason Sir Bobby Charlton not going to any games this season is to do with health or some other reason?

{Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware he is just not that well these days. He is a very old man, his brother is severely ill and he is not 100% either. Sadly time catches up with all of us.}


18.) 08 Oct 2018 11:35:32
Any chance that we might tempt Allegri again if Mourinho does get the sack?

{Ed001's Note - I think he would not be interested again after the way he was treated last time.}


19.) 08 Oct 2018 13:08:24
Yeah your probably right Ed001. Pie in the sky talk really just thinking out loud thanks for your reply!

{Ed001's Note - it is difficult because you don't want to push out a legend like Fergie, but sometimes you have to.}


20.) 08 Oct 2018 11:35:32
Any chance that we might tempt Allegri again if Mourinho does get the sack?

{Ed002's Note - No.}


21.) 08 Oct 2018 14:34:57
Thank you Ed001 and 002 for taking out the time to provide us with this informtion, reassuring us makes us feel a lot better lol. i. e. still looking for a director = hope. Also, Monaco have played 10, Lost 7 and Drew 3 so maybe we could possible tempty Jardim though i remember Ed002 saying it would be difficult or unattainable, can't remember correctly. Ed001, there was talk of Alderweireld being available for £25m, do you know when that will be activated? (Providing he doesn't sign a new contract)

{Ed001's Note - I don't believe there is any such stipulation in his contract. It is not something Levy would allow normally.}


22.) 08 Oct 2018 15:06:57
Thanks Ed.

{Ed002's Note - The termination clause relates to a one year extension to his existing contract not to either this season nor a new contract.}


23.) 08 Oct 2018 15:37:46
You're the man Ed002, thanks.


24.) 08 Oct 2018 17:37:58
Hi, Ed001. Just wondering if you have any idea on Mourinho's feelings about us bringing in a DOF. Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - I am quite sure he fully expected one when he joined.}


25.) 08 Oct 2018 17:52:16
Can't argue with any that Ed001. Cheers.

{Ed001's Note - I am sure you could mate!}


26.) 08 Oct 2018 21:00:47
Hi ed001, just reading about your comments on Fergie and the vacuum left when he retired.

Do you liken it to Wengers time and how he used to micro manage everything? Except for the fact that arsenal seemed to have planned in advance for Wengers departure. They seemed to have put things in place so that when Wenger left, the correct people were already there.

Now you can see arsenal tying down contracts in advance and allowing emery just to focus on what happens on the pitch.

It looks like they learned from United's mistakes.

{Ed001's Note - very similar yes and you are spot on they did see a number of those issues arising and took action. Whether it is enough or not only time will tell, but they have certainly put themselves into a stronger position comparatively than United did. In fact they actually look to have improved without Wenger.}


27.) 08 Oct 2018 21:15:31
Cheers, Ed001. Didn't know if he would embrace it, or see it as a challenge to his position. Glad to hear you think he would have at least been expecting it, rather than having it thrust on him. Thanks again.

{Ed001's Note - the plan was always to bring one in mate. He is used to working with a similar set up, very few clubs outside of England operate any other way.}


 

 

31 Mar 2017 16:21:47
Looks as though bakayoko has made Chelsea his first choice.

angelred

 

 

06 Dec 2015 10:25:12
Just seen the comments from post match conference with LVG. 'I don't understand that they shout attack attack attack, we were the attacking team, not west ham united'

jesus is this guy for real? Does he not understand what this clubs DNA is all about? I know ed002 has said there's no plans to change manager until 2017 but I think this man's day might come a lot sooner.

angelred

1.) 06 Dec 2015 20:54:32
He has certainly bought into the lie that possession = attacking football.

That said, I couldn't watch yesterday, but I thought I saw stats showing a lot of shots, just mostly off target.

Ìf we create the chances but just can't convert them, he only bares limited responsibility for that failing.

It's when we have 70%+ possession and only 4-5 shots in total that is really his fault.


2.) 06 Dec 2015 21:09:35
Haven't seen the stats for the game. How many of those efforts were for the second half alone?

Call me old-fashioned, but I like to see my team attempt to attack from the start, when we're playing at home. West Ham were very unlucky not to be going into the break, 2-0 up, and only the most wide-eyed optimist would have had us coming back from that.


3.) 06 Dec 2015 21:11:42
Most of the so called shots were desperate. Misleading stat.

Great chances it was 4-2 West Ham.


4.) 07 Dec 2015 07:35:33
LVG out! he is not changing anything to try and improve performances so for me he has to go, no doubt about it.


5.) 08 Dec 2015 10:53:16
I did wonder how misleading the stats might be.

I remember taunting a mate who supports Arsenal about boring possession football a few years ago. He pointed out that in our most recent encounter, they'd had more shots as well as possession. I made him sit down and watch a recording of the game with me. Sure enough, they'd barely had a shot until about the 75th minute, then started shooting wildly every time they got within 35 yards of the goal.

I'm so glad I haven't seen that mate recently.


 

 

 

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25 Aug 2020 17:34:53
Maguire found guilty of resisting arrest, assault and bribery. What to think now?

angelred

1.) 25 Aug 2020 17:49:46
I think it depends on the sentence. If it's a fine or suspended sentence, then I think the club should strip him of the captaincy, fine him and maybe suspend him.

If he gets jail time, then I think he should be fired, if that's possible. A drunk fight is one thing, punching cops and attempting to bribe them using your status as United's captain is another.


2.) 25 Aug 2020 17:51:00
Innocent until proven guilty, oh. Well I guess he was a bellend then😂.


3.) 25 Aug 2020 18:10:23
How many of you WOULDN’T have lost your s**t if you saw some blokes whack an injection of some sort into your sister, who then passed out? He’ll get a fine and a suspended sentence but I genuinely cannot blame him for chasing and attacking the blokes, whilst being understandably aggressive to anyone standing in his way, police or otherwise. Some people saying he should have just remained calm and taken her to hospital, come on, be realistic, the bloke is a human being.


4.) 25 Aug 2020 18:17:14
No proof of that Downsie, you'd think they could have backed it up with a blood test and a toxicology report. Absolutely no evidence to support that happened.

He's got a 21 month suspended sentence, have to see what the club does now.


5.) 25 Aug 2020 18:17:24
But what about the repeatedly attempting to bribe the police? That wasn’t in the heat of the moment and is the more serious charge.


6.) 25 Aug 2020 18:22:46
Downsie
Maguire has said he will appeal and his family are the victims .
At least the fans are standing behind one if ours . O wait.

{Ed047's Note - appeal on what grounds, it’s never ok to assault Police and then blatantly try and bribe them.

The guy is a muppet and deserves everything he gets!


7.) 25 Aug 2020 18:38:22
I’ve never heard of charges that could go away with an apology. it’s a strange case, especially considering the defence was giving evidence late. Whatever happened it’s done.


8.) 25 Aug 2020 18:45:44
Jred, blind support is daft. At what point do you stop supporting someone. I want him to do well for United and I'll support him while he is on the pitch. We don't have to support his actions off the pitch.

While I can understand reacting in the heat of the moment while drunk, I won't condone it. However, repeated attempts to bribe police afterwards shows a lack of respect and responsibility.

If the club feel that he has to lose the capacity then so be it, and that is a response I think might be fair given the circumstances.

He's been stupid, now he needs to front up and do the right thing.


9.) 25 Aug 2020 18:50:59
First and foremost we don't know the facts apart from what has been reported. Secondly it is rather unusual for a person to be given so little time to prepare their defence. Thirdly not all foreign legal systems are as fair as the English Courts.

Rather than condemn him out of hand I will reserve judgement until after he has appealed and his appeal has been heard. I do not know him personally and judging him only from what I have seen of him doing his job is not necessarily a fair way to assess his character. but I do think he seems to be a steady sort of bloke and not one to rashly have a fight abroad. Maybe I am wrong. But let's wait til the appeal. If after a fair hearing he is proven guilty then we accept he is a very stupid guy. Only after that appeal.


10.) 25 Aug 2020 18:52:29
Hard to know what a football club will do in these situations considering the Value of the player and being such an asset. In the real world I would expect your job to potentially be on the line.
Players have survived things before and continued to play on the assumption that the suspended sentence remains just that.
I would expect some sort of sanction from the club and OGS will likely strip him of the captaincy.
No matter what his reasons this is not a good look for our club.


11.) 25 Aug 2020 18:55:44
Shaps
It isn't about blind support but from where I'm from you look after your own .
If it was the scouse captain I would want him hung drawn and quarterd.
Let's be honest z small majority of fans couldn't get the knife in quick enough .


12.) 25 Aug 2020 18:56:54
Loll, standing behind a criminal who hits a policeman and then tries bribing. Jred give me some of what your smoking.


13.) 25 Aug 2020 18:48:20
Well said Eds, made a bloody disgrace of himself. If United had any sense they would terminate his contract immediately.


14.) 25 Aug 2020 18:49:07
Why would us fans stand by a player when he’s completely in the wrong?! The club for me matters more than a player. I don’t want such players to represent our precious club. I could excuse the heat of the moment but to constantly use your status as Utd captain and money to cover your actions. Big no from me and hope the club feel the same.

{Ed047's Note - I’m with you on that Trumours


15.) 25 Aug 2020 18:59:10
He's just been found guilty jred. Are we supposed to say, don't worry harry, we are all behind you even though you've been a massive b***end? 🤔

I think he should serve his sentence, apologise, get home and work his behind off to get the fans inside again.


16.) 25 Aug 2020 19:10:49
Angle
Yer like I say its maybe a generational thing but myself and a lot of other fans will go with the, you look after your own .
Others fans and sadly some of others will be all over it like a rash .
I would be myself it it was the scouse captain
Has Harry been an idiot yes, but i come from a background where people make mistakes. Made a few myself .
Give me a maguire over a neymar
Its the teen pop generation, getting all offended . Harry has messed up but God knows I've probably done worse .
Honestly and this won't go down well with a few on here but I would be more disappointed if he turned the other cheek to his family getting abuse.

{Ed047's Note - you don’t have to do nothing but equally you don’t have to assault a Police Officer and then like some utter clown try to bribe them and if you condone that by saying you’ve done similar then you are as big an idiot as he is.

It has nothing to do with being a fan of another club it is a simple what’s right and what’s wrong but you love to be a smart arse I no best type of fool.


17.) 25 Aug 2020 19:11:21
Salford, he's just been in court and been found guilty. They acted on the facts at hand and found him guilty.

I was hoping it was all a big misunderstanding because he seems to be a really decent bloke. But being found guilty of these 3 different things is pretty damning IMO.


18.) 25 Aug 2020 19:23:43
surely he's breached his contract sack him on the spot get rid he's a moron why would any footballer go to a party place full of rowdy neds who are gonae give u grief hoping on the off chance that your going to bite he brought it on himself absolute clown.


19.) 25 Aug 2020 19:39:37
Nah jred, that's not a generational thing, that's just some weird tribal thing.

I'm not saying he's the worst person ever, get rid, sack him etc etc. All I'm saying is, he's made a nuts of himself, broke the law and now has to pay the penalty. Now say sorry, own up to it and be a better person. We can recognise when's he wrong and call it like it is.

You've done worse? 🤔.


20.) 25 Aug 2020 19:41:12
47 you back again, an arsenal fan on here .
Yer I have, I got drunk then naked on holiday . Got a good hiding of a Spanish copper, after some very one sided negotiations he took all my money and my shoes but didn't arrest me .
Harry been a bit of a prat, and come out with the dreaded " do you know who I am " .
But if someone abuses my family its probably going to end in a negative way.
If someone called me an idiot to my face and from behind a key board it probably would 😂.
I'm honest enough to say I have made some silly mistakes, never out of malice tho .
Others i'm sure would be fine with it .
I would have more issue with a player or a person walking out on his wife and family . Although many wouldn't want him sacked for that .

But each to their own maguire will have to face the music, rival fans and some on here will be chuffed .

{Ed047's Note - now you’re trying the angle of an Arsenal fan to excuse this idiot and that I must some how be chuffed.

Classing assaulting the Police and trying to bribe one truly sums you up.

You really are moronic clown and need to grow tfu.


21.) 25 Aug 2020 19:41:17
Scott, bit OTT. He has no previous whatsoever and seems as though he is a really decent bloke.

I hope he can learn from it and be a better person. I think he will get the benefit of doubt from most as long as he gets back to the club and works hard to get the fans onside again.


22.) 25 Aug 2020 19:43:38
I don't get the point if it was the Scouse captain. Surely it's more from a human standpoint no matter what club he plays for. Made the mistake, hands up, work hard for the club. It's not sad at all. It's sad that some have the viewpoint that they back their own no matter what.


23.) 25 Aug 2020 19:50:26
Does abusing posters and eds work the same way 047?

{Ed047's Note - jred is condoning getting drunk, assaulting a Police Officer then trying to bribe your way out of a situation he got himself in.

A fabulous example for the captain of Manchester United to set and here you are sticking up for him because I’m telling him straight he’s an arse.

Nothing less than I’d expect from you either to be fair 🤦‍♂️


24.) 25 Aug 2020 19:51:05
Ed047 😳😳😳.

{Ed047's Note - it’s a shocking example of behaviour to some how justify Angel. I’m not having it and why would any decent human being think it was fine. 🤷‍♂️


25.) 25 Aug 2020 19:54:43
Ed47
Its not an angle, like I have said i havd made mistakes myself.
Its his first ever offence, (we know about.
Would I sack him no .
Is it thd end oc the world? In my opinion no .
If it was the arsenal captain I would think it was funny and be giving my arsenal supporting colleagues plenty . Yet your suggestion your above ghat 🤔
Does that make me an idiot and moronic clown? Imo no .
Would I come on a website and call someone a moronic clown? No

Few week it will be yesterday news and I will be amazed if he is sacked .

{Ed047's Note - you are condoning his behaviour jred and in my opinion that is moronic.

Is that an example you want the young United fans to follow, get drunk, assault a Police man and then bribe them.

I call getting caught smoking when your a player or breaching lockdown idiotic but they are not criminal offences.

It’s like saying Cantona was right for diving into the crowd.

It’s simply not and no I wouldn’t sack him either but he needs to learn a lesson as any alleged 1st offender would.

I would also be equally outraged if it was the Arsenal captain.


26.) 25 Aug 2020 20:02:07
47 no i'm not condoning it i'm saying its not the end of the world and i'm honest enough to say I've made mistakes.

Surprised at the comments about Deano?

{Ed047's Note - but you are condoning by saying it’s not the end of the world and I’ve done similar, it’s just like saying “so what”

As for Deano he has an issue with me and that’s his lookout 🤷‍♂️


27.) 25 Aug 2020 20:04:18
Jred, I'd stop the digging.


28.) 25 Aug 2020 19:48:59
Let me guess, he probably whipped out a wad of cash and said, "do you know who I am? " or something?


29.) 25 Aug 2020 19:52:29
They take bribery seriously in Greece. You can get 5 years for it.


30.) 25 Aug 2020 19:55:21
Salford, you're showing that same casual British superiority racism that's all over the internet in regards to this. Other countries do things differently, the UK is far from the shining example many seem to believe it is.


31.) 25 Aug 2020 20:10:57
Ed47 no i'm not condoning his behaviour, I've said he has been a prat and an idiot .
But its also not the end of the world .
People make mistakes, and deserve a second chance.

But each to their own, i wouldn't come on a website and call someone an moronic clown .
But I would react if someone abused my family .

{Ed047's Note - I wouldn’t either if they weren’t and I’m afraid you are doing just that.


32.) 25 Aug 2020 20:15:09
Jred it says more about you than him if you condone it.
I don't want him sacked i'm quite old school myself but he should be punished perhaps lose the captaincy and work hard to restore trust.
You can't go around hitting police for any reason and you can't attempt to bribe them particularly when others are listening😂 he was stupid he is guilty. As i said above cantona rooney keane were all arrested and guilty of varying offences and the club stood by them they will stand by maguire but will also make an example of him as they should.


33.) 25 Aug 2020 20:15:28
Lucky to get a suspended sentence too. If it was any of us found guilty of what he's done, we'd be inside.


34.) 25 Aug 2020 20:19:11
I’m just glad it’s not me being abused by the Ed for once 😂.

Bruno should be United captain, the club need to use this as an excuse to do that and move on.


35.) 25 Aug 2020 20:22:21
Only a few hours ago you were slating fans for allegedly going to Woodwards house. Now you're defending one of our players who has been convicted of some serious offences. Pick a lane Jred.

As some who works for the Department of Foreign affairs in Ireland, I have quite a bit of experience dealing with idiots who get arrested abroad. I can categorically tell you that if that was an ordinary Joe Soap with that rap sheet, they would be doing time.

He needs to be suspended by the club for awhile and he needs to be stripped of the captaincy, minimum.


36.) 25 Aug 2020 20:22:25
Luckily there will be no fans in grounds to give him grief.


37.) 25 Aug 2020 20:25:45
ken
Where have I condoned it? But peole are that quick to jump on it they don't read the full post .

As you say kean Cantona etc have all done things, i'm honest enough to say I have myself.
I'm not going to sit here judging people when I'm not perfect myself .

But its not the end of the world no one was hurt thd world will go on .


38.) 25 Aug 2020 20:30:27
Agree with that jred. Bruno is proper captain material.


39.) 25 Aug 2020 20:30:53
Mumbles
Lol i said they where idiots for going to woodwards house and getting upset upset over a transfer window?
I also said idiots would not check if he was in first .


When do people worry and get so upset over a transfer market, look at the year we have all just, look at other clubs struggling to get by . stand by it.


40.) 25 Aug 2020 20:16:57
I can assure you ed I have no issue with you, I don't know you personally and if it feels that I am being nasty or disrespectful I apologise, I do have issue with some of the inflammatory comments that are hidden behind "banter", and after a day where we learnt that ed002 had to remove the transfer intro post due to being abused i found it a tad unsavoury to be calling people names on the same site.

{Ed047's Note - that’s all good then Deano but I find it moronic and idiotic that a poster would condone Maguire's behaviour, then use the excuse that I’m an Arsenal fan so in effect lauding in Maguire's conviction.

His behaviour was unacceptable on every level and he has to simply except the consequences of his actions.

I didn’t cry out for him to be strung up or sacked but cannot simply agree with someone who clearly thinks it’s fine to do what he did Deano.


41.) 25 Aug 2020 20:20:34
ed47, each to their own but that isn't my style .
I have my own opinion of you to be honest.
People are very quick to judge.

{Ed047's Note - and here you go again, I am not judging Maguire but in fact you.

You are commenting all over the page how it’s nothing and will blow over


42.) 25 Aug 2020 20:33:03
Mumbles, exactly, privileged lad to not have to do time.

Just like the idiots who were at Woodward's house unless we are backing our own in that circumstance too 😉.


43.) 25 Aug 2020 20:41:27
ed47 I personally don't think you have fully read all my posts . Picked out the parts you want to justify calling me a mornic clown?
I can only say I font condone it do many times . I agree with Deano.

{Ed047's Note - jred of course I read all your posts and initially you were clearly condoning it in this thread but then changed tact but still condoned it on other threads.

I was born at night jred but it wasn’t last night.


44.) 25 Aug 2020 20:54:34
Angel, it must be a generational thing. Apparently the new generation don't "look after their own". Morals go out the window when the player is good.


45.) 25 Aug 2020 20:56:46
Jred you said
Honestly and this won't go down well with a few on here but I would be more disappointed if he turned the other cheek to his family getting abuse.
That's condoning it imo
I agree it will blow over but he is guilty at this time.
Lots of innocent people in prison if you ask them 90% will say they didn't do it. Bit like you said earlier about managers leaving clubs few will say its their fault they have been fired. Harry been a fool. He had to pay for that the club need to stand by him but also make an example. Nobody should condone that behaviour.
None of us are perfect but there are lines you shouldn't cross. Harry seems to have trampled all over the line not just crossed it.
It will be yesterdays news soon enough all the same.
As for the club sacking him that's stupid talk imo we can agree on that. Double standards need to be minimised.


46.) 25 Aug 2020 20:58:54
Ed47, i'm not condoning it what I said was my op
"Maguire has said he will appeal and his family are the victims .
At least the fans are standing behind one if ours . O wait. "

I said he was an idiot, I've been honest enough to say I have been myself .
But you have added your own narrative, you havd read a post and decided " he really means " .
Your have ignored anything that doesn't fit it and are just justify calling me names. But each to there own.

{Ed047's Note - I’m wasting my breath jred, I have zero narrative. I don’t care about Maguire but I do care about you condoning his actions which you 100% did by making out it was nothing, it didn’t matter, you’d done worse, then described something that wasn’t worse, then make the throw away comment of it will blow over.

Seriously stop digging and give it a rest. 🤦‍♂️


47.) 25 Aug 2020 21:06:42
Salford ask the birmingham 6 or guilford 4 what they think of the British judicial system. Or the unfortunate widow of the policeman that those kids killed.
British judicial system has proven to be currupt, bent and imoral over and over again.


48.) 25 Aug 2020 21:08:27
Ken
Ah right, so no mention of bribing or fighting with the police?

"Honestly and this won't go down well with a few on here but I would be more disappointed if he turned the other cheek to his family getting abuse"

I 100% stand by that, you would probably turn the other check and that's fine . I will be honest I'm different, if someone abuses my family I will stand up for them. And I would be disappointed if one of my family members didn't do the same .


49.) 25 Aug 2020 21:24:42
Have to say agree with the Ed on this one, I did say before the details came out stick by Harry, doesn't seem the type etc but now looking at what he is doing its embarrassing at best and obvs criminal, nobody should be condoning this, its not about him walking out or not sticking up for his family there are ways to stand up for them without bribery and assault, i'd say maybe walking away and lodging a complaint afterwards maybe one way.
Of course we have all done silly things but Maguire is a grown adult, a role model and should be at very least stripped of the captaincy and benched (shame we prob can't afford to do that) I'd go so far to say sell him but why would anyway pay for him now.
We have all said stuff on here and been wrong and called out for it, its not the same as the relentlees abuse the editors suffer that we don't even get to see, you just got called out on your post, move on.


50.) 26 Aug 2020 00:58:44
Sorry I’ve just read this thread and can see both sides To the argument honestly but I just wanted to say “assaulting a police officer” is such a loose term as it literally could have been a group scrapping and simply an officer in the middle getting caught by a stray arm etc.

It doesn’t always mean straight up he’s gone up to the officer and chinned them intentionally.

Let’s get the facts of the whole event before judging at least.

Like I said in my post above, the club and Maguire seemed very confident of his case and innocence even after the verdict so let’s see what happens first.


51.) 26 Aug 2020 02:14:03
a couple of threads above that actually sensible, this has been taken over by a few wanting to stick the knife in,
90% of 47s post are looking for a bite or argument.

Sack him? Would go to jail if it was anyone else? . The lads done wrong but he won't be first, there will be 2 sides and life will go on .


52.) 26 Aug 2020 04:22:21
Does anyone know for sure if Harry knew they were police officers BEFORE he 'assaulted and tried to bribe' them?

Perhaps they only revealed it afterwards. If I was a dirty cop trying to get headlines and a conviction, that's how I'd play it.


 

 

03 Aug 2020 20:08:19
Sancho done?

angelred

1.) 03 Aug 2020 20:38:35
He was done at United in 2019.


2.) 03 Aug 2020 20:41:12
Guardian which is reliable source are reporting negotiations are at an advanced stage.


 

 

04 Jun 2020 12:45:34
I just wanted to write a short post on Marcus Rashford.

What a top class bloke he is.

In this time during lockdown, he has managed to start a charity that has already raised £20 million to help feed kids and started a Christmas box campaign to help Manchester's homeless.

He's a 22 year old man, a real inspiration. To top it all off, a cracking footballer too. Proud to have a person like him playing for Manchester United.

angelred

1.) 04 Jun 2020 14:13:17
Very positive role model for young Manchester United fans to look at and aspire to be like. Keep up the good work Marcus, you're doing us proud 🔴⚫❤️.


2.) 04 Jun 2020 15:01:40
Fantastic post angel and 100% correct, i'm proud to have him, every day he seems to raise a smile out of me, lovely kid, fantastic player and a guaranteed future great of the club.


3.) 04 Jun 2020 16:14:32
Local lad and a hero to many young kids. Turning into a great role model, and a future captain for me.


4.) 04 Jun 2020 16:38:58
Absolutely top stuff from marcus during this tough time especially for vulnerable and disadvantaged children.

Goes to show you shouldn't trust the media portrayal of people. Wasnt too long ago that rashford was being criticised for letting the fame go to his head, someone on this forum even criticised him ridiculously for having the audacity of wearing a “gold chain”.


5.) 04 Jun 2020 19:17:21
United looked to have handled CV well so far. Seem closer to their community and supporters. I think we can all be proud of the way Rashford in particular has handled himself though.


6.) 05 Jun 2020 13:01:41
Good post mate.
I mentioned this early on when the schools closed down. What a top lad he is.


 

 

17 Feb 2020 12:27:31
RIP Harry Gregg.

A truly amazing man. Without Harry Gregg, this club is not the same. What he did was heroic, the turmoil he suffered in his life and to carry on, he is an inspiration.

He will be sorely missed.

angelred

1.) 17 Feb 2020 13:21:20
Well said Angel.


 

 

15 Feb 2020 23:28:13
Are any of the eds aware of Solskjaer standing down at the end of the season?

angelred

{Ed002's Note - No.}


1.) 16 Feb 2020 09:13:05
Thanks ed.


 

 

 

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Dzeko was a proven goalscorer mate. You pay more for attacking players anyway.

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A soon to be 31 year old CB on massive wages with just over 18 months left on his contract.

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And there is the difference ken.

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Honestly shaps, never heard of him being 'the next big thing', ever.

Good player, could kick on at a better team. Think his level is higher than Villa.

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Shap, grelaish has the talent but has not got the head at the moment.

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