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10 Dec 2024 13:34:35
Lots of rumours and articles being written that Marcus Rashford could be on his way out.
All the talent in the world, that lad. I think the time is right for both the club and him to break. Could be exactly what's needed for both parties.
1.) 10 Dec 2024 14:05:14
Absolutely, he needs a fresh start and a move abroad away from British Media would do him a world of good imo. Need to move him on also for the sake of the team as he has become a bit of a problem when it comes to selection because, imo of who he is, local boy through the academy. Sad it has come to this but don't see what either party is getting out of him staying (from a footballing point of view, he may argue £300k P/ W is worth sticking around for! )
2.) 10 Dec 2024 14:05:55
If United can clear their £60m future commitment to wages and actually get a decent transfer fee as well, which will be all profit, then it would probably be a good thing for all involved. Rashford may well be very effective somewhere else but it looks like the EPL is no longer a place where his skillset outweighs his limitations.
3.) 10 Dec 2024 14:27:57
Never fulfilled his talent and quite honestly his head is up his a***. If we can find a buyer then great, it’s not like he’s a massive contributor on the pitch and saving his wages and setting a precedent is well worth it. No point being ruthless unless we apply it to the biggest culprits…the players.
4.) 10 Dec 2024 15:32:31
He is elite at some aspects of the game, but doesn't seem to want to put the effort into improving his all-round game. I assume it's desire as most of those aspects such as pressing, movement off the ball, hold up play, are all those that players generally improve on over time. As such it is too easy for him to be nullified if the game isn't working to his advantage. Definitely time to move on. The issue will be getting a club willing to pay his wages.
5.) 10 Dec 2024 16:31:35
The Telegraph writes that the club are "open" to a sale. I assure you they will be open to the right offer on pretty much all of the current squad. It's just a question of price. But in any event, being open to a sale - something that's glaringly obvious in the case of Rashford - is quite different from having offers on the table. I'd love to see it but, frankly, getting rid of him maybe even more difficult than getting rid of Sancho, or indeed, Martial. Another absolutely disastrous error of judgement committed prior to SJR. Let's commit £75m over the next 5 years to protect a wasting asset.
Part of the process of great managership is to know when to sell. Clough and Taylor were masters of the craft. Sell at the crest of the wave and buy the next thing cheaply. Liverpool did extremely well with Coutinho and Suarez. Ferguson sold RVN and Beckham. He also sold Ronaldo, of course, but at that time the money went to debt repayment and was not reinvested.
No player should be allowed to get too big for the club. If you're so scared of losing a player that you're prepared to overpay up the wazoo to renew a contract then your team is already well on the way to decline. Moyes was desperate to keep Rooney, De Gea became the best paid goalie in the EPL to the tune of £100k per week: Rashford is but the latest example. It's another extremely dysfunctional aspect of the club that needs to be fixed.
I can't guarantee SJR will be successful but were the value of United not buoyed by our global recognition, making it more valuable by far as an asset that the income it now generates, I could have seen the Glazers driving the club into bankruptcy. That's how bad it had become.
6.) 10 Dec 2024 18:20:46
Shawthing, I never usually post but feel obliged to with your ludicrous statement that Glazers could have bankrupted the club your supposed to be a figures man so how can you substantiate that remark! Total made up waffle more like a child’s statement.
7.) 10 Dec 2024 20:37:55
I can’t see a permanent move but a loan abroad could do him a world of good.
Don’t see much coming in in terms of a ready-made replacement and we might not need one right off. But LWB is a priority, maybe Dorgu. Nypan in mid.
8.) 10 Dec 2024 21:41:20
Germansupp: I qualified my remark, by saying that the club's global recognition makes it more valuable than its profitability warrants. Without that, the £1bn in debt, would quite possibly not be supportable. They could not easily increase it, and without more money, could not get back into the game. The Glazers gave up 27% of the equity not because they wanted to but because they had to. Under their leadership it was headed down the toilet. What would two or three more bad seasons and a trip to the Championship have resulted in? Any other business with revenues of £650m, potentially declining, no profits, and £1bn in debt would have a hard time staying on its feet.
9.) 11 Dec 2024 04:08:48
Sorry that’s opinion not factual…. They sold 27% because what fool would not, if another fool comes in wants to give you shed load of money more than you originally purchased for and still only by minority then take over the running, if it works they end up with even more money, if it don’t they still own controlling interest and had there money back, you seem to think the Glazers are fools and someone posting on a forum is more qualified then them and there multi advisors who play in billionaire circles daily…. Your trying to spout big words and untruths to sound like your more qualified than them, which is just nonsense.
BTW the minority owner is making a pigs ear of it anyway!
I don’t like Glazers or SJR BUT running the business into the ground is poppycock and you know it… football is not like any other business and you with your spreadsheets and zero activity in it won’t wash.
10.) 11 Dec 2024 11:46:00
Imo you’re wrong angel. I don’t think he does have the talent. If he did he’d make a lot better decisions on the ball. He constantly makes the wrong call when the balls at his feet, or approaching him.
He was fortunate to have a very short period where he was on fire but i don’t think that's all the talent in the world.
11.) 11 Dec 2024 12:54:30
Clearly something has been leaked to the press to try and drum up some interest. The way this clubs operates is beyond a joke.
12.) 11 Dec 2024 13:35:09
Rashford is incredibly talented, go check out his highlights reel.
He was always streaky, but at one point he was carrying the team, just before he injured his back. Since then he had the one season where he was hot but his issue is inconsistency and application. He doesn't look interested, ambles around, and given his talent, doesn't deliver.
It's a crying shame, he could have been the stand out superstar but for whatever reason, he just isn't up for it. He always came across as a humble boy, but now it's tattoos, jewellery, flash cars, trips to the US. He's free to do what he wants off the field, but when he isn't delivering on the pitch, then he can expect to get some grief.
13.) 11 Dec 2024 13:52:58
German. again, you're twisting what I said to make your own point, which I've acknowledged already. The Glazers maybe absolutely clueless about running an actual football club, but financial mugs? No. For all the reasons you mentioned, quite brilliant. The partial sale was a masterpiece. It presumably assuaged the family members who were pushing for a total sale and were upset about their dividends being eliminated. They are fully aware, particularly from being NFL owners, of the elevated value of sports franchises, even though in the closed shop salary-capped US franchise system, there is no chance of relegation, revenues are largely guaranteed, and profitability is secured. They backed the European Super League because they wanted to turn soccer into the same gravy boat. Thank God they did not succeed otherwise we could be at the dawn of 3 1/ 2 games with 12 minutes of action and endless advertisements.
P. S. I'm not claiming to be a financial expert. Nor do I analyze anything on spreadsheets.
14.) 11 Dec 2024 14:35:47
Exactly Shawthing and I also hear that the food served in the canteen is not up to scratch so let's hope SJR gets his chef's hat on too.
15.) 11 Dec 2024 14:41:21
Ajh, i think Rashford is best when he doesn’t have to think too much. Mid level finisher but that is his strongest point.
He’s not that talented i'm sorry to say. But i respect your view and we can both disagree.
16.) 11 Dec 2024 15:05:24
Okay gnev, you're opinion, I don't agree with it.
Talent doesn't always equal end product, lots of factors in between.
I think he has all the talent and according to those within the game he is an incredible talent. I think he has lost his way a bit and a reset could be good for him. A good guy.
17.) 11 Dec 2024 22:22:54
Rashford is a player who had huge potential, and on his day is still a class player. However, the constant chopping and changing of managers and playing style, along with him playing through injuries has meant he hasn't managed to fulfil that potential.
Recently his attitude has come under question, and he certainly seems less motivated on the pitch. Maybe that's a result of living with pain and playing through the injuries. It could be that he's just got to a point where he's decided the extra work isn't worth the pain anymore.
Maybe it's the wages and life style has gone to his head.
Maybe he's decided his efforts and the sacrifices he has made for the club aren't appreciated by either the club or the fans so what's the point.
Ultimately we don't know and we probably never will.
What we do know is the we have a player on huge wages who isn't putting in performances to warrant them.
We know he was a supremely gifted youngster who has been an almost ever present in the first team since the age of 17 (it's almost 10 years since his debut) . We know he is a player who previously showed great work rate and effort, turning up early for training and staying late. We know he has shown himself to be a humble man who has campaigned for those less fortunate than himself, not for personal glory, but from a position of having suffered like them and wanting to make a difference to those young people.
Yet something has changed, altered, broken. He isn't that player anymore and he doesn't appear to be that man either.
There's no point in getting into the blame game, or demonising anyone. I'm sure that there is plenty of people who can share some of the blame, be that managers, people at the club, fans and the player himself.
Either way it's probably time for a parting of the ways. It's definitely in the players best interests, and long term it's probably in the clubs as well.
We have to appreciate and understand that if/ when he leaves, we will be losing our more recognised and proven forward. No one at the club currently has played better than Marcus for a sustained period of 6 months or more EVER in their United career. That weakens us both on the pitch AND in the minds of our opposition.
While there are absolutely no guarantees that we either will be able to sign a replacement or that any replacement will be even at the same level as Rashford let alone an upgrade.
We could easily sell Rashford and sign Antony 2.0.
However, the writing appears to be on the wall. Rumours suggest that we expect or are willing to accept offers of around 40m. Which seems about right to me. Signing a 27 year old on a low ebb but on massive wages. I don't see anyone being prepared to pay much more than 40m all things considered.
18.) 12 Dec 2024 09:10:20
Rashford is not an elite level player, he had potential and bags of it, at 27 we can safely say he isn’t capable of reaching it at the club. For his career and the good of the club, he needs to leave. Running doesn’t take talent it just requires desire, there’s 74,310 people in that stadium that would run themselves into the ground given the opportunity, unfortunately it looks like Rashford has lost that desire.
19.) 12 Dec 2024 10:34:09
Rash out, Mitoma in in summer :D.
20.) 12 Dec 2024 15:10:48
Send him to M and S.
21.) 12 Dec 2024 18:32:28
Lets not forget Rashford only got his chance because of an injury crisis.
Otherwise, I don't think we'd be having this debate beacuse Rashford would have sold to Fulham at the age of 18.
19 Oct 2022 10:12:56
I see Gakpo has put out the come get me signal. Looks a decent player, don't know too much about him.
Can anyone enlighten me?
1.) 19 Oct 2022 10:26:53
From what I’ve seen, always seems busy and eager to attack though final ball and decision making needs some refinement.
However, seems to be scoring and creating chances so might be a surprise hit at the World Cup.
Another player who prefers the left tho….
2.) 19 Oct 2022 10:29:13
Has had a very exciting 8 months. Was an alternative to Anthony I believe but could become a target once more should one of our existing wingers leave.
3.) 19 Oct 2022 10:38:39
We need a proper centre forward that score 20+ goals a season not another left sided player that drifts in from the left.
4.) 19 Oct 2022 10:48:05
Unless it's a Lukaku style video, I don't believe a word I read in the tabloids - what's the source of this?
5.) 19 Oct 2022 22:42:08
hard to tell. will probably light up italian league but not sure on pl.
6.) 20 Oct 2022 20:32:13
Was very quiet against Arsenal tonight.
29 Jun 2022 12:33:23
Ed002, if you don't mind indulging. I don't recall if you have ever mentioned this name in recent times, but Tielemans. I know he is a target elsewhere, but do you know of any United interest, as I believe that he would be a fantastic addition.
{Ed002's Note - Youri Tielemans (CM) right now he will not sign a new contract so will be available in the summer at a reduced fee. His agent confirmed that there is interest from Real Madrid who are looking for a Luka Modric replacement, interest from Spurs and that he has been approached by a third party representing Newcastle. He is aware that other clubs, including Bayern Munich and Liverpool, have scouted the player but not declared an interest. Interest of the Manchester sides has probably gone as both are looking at other midfield options but they will be back if they cannot get their first choice players - and MU are struggling. Arsenal and Juventus provide wildcard options but Arsenal will have to focus on fixing other issues in the squad first and Juventus, whilst needing significant midfield changes are looking to preferred options. I suspect that Real Madrid will shift their interest leaving Spurs, Manchester United and Arsenal to work on a transfer.}
1.) 29 Jun 2022 14:13:16
Hi Ed002, who would these first choice targets be for Man Utd that we are struggling with? I thought FdJ was first choice in that position and we look to be set to be getting him. Has something changed.
Thanks as always for your inputs.
{Ed002's Note - The club are struggling over de Jong.}
2.) 29 Jun 2022 14:49:12
ED002,
It looks like the club will struggle lost their "amateur" badge.
3.) 29 Jun 2022 15:17:05
Ed002. Many thanks for that. Have a good week.
{Ed002's Note - And you.}
4.) 29 Jun 2022 16:24:42
Ed - as always respect you sharing the info etc but have there been developments this afternoon on the FDJ front?
Several large media outlets are now saying fee agreed and that the player is open to joining United and all that remains is personal terms. Is this now accurate?
{Ed002's Note - I am not the one to give bow-by-blow updates.}
5.) 29 Jun 2022 17:07:19
I don't think anyone other than those dealing with the deal really know what is going on.
People are reporting what FDJ is thinking, how does anyone truly know what someone else is thinking. At best it's a judgement made from comments he has said in public.
From what little I know, it's unusual for a club to negotiate with a player before an agreement has been made with the club.
Which means it's unlikely that the club is in discussions with FDJ yet.
That said, clubs also rarely bother submitting offers unless they know the player is at least open to joining the club.
From the outside looking in it looks like Barcelona need to sell, not just to raise funds but to save on wages.
The player would prefer to stay at one of the biggest clubs in the world and at a club that had a close affiliation with Ajax. At a guess I'd also say he'd rather play UCL football next season. At least that is what the player has said publicly.
United and specifically EtH really wants the player and sees them as a key component of the team he is trying to build. Again this is what is being reported.
Now we just need to let the people at both clubs, the player and his agent work together to work something out. I'm sure we'll know what is happening in the next couple of days one way or another.
6.) 29 Jun 2022 17:19:52
If we don't manage to get de jong after all this, the meme club have peaked.
7.) 29 Jun 2022 17:51:29
Laurie Whitwell has confirmed a deal has been agreed.
8.) 29 Jun 2022 20:10:23
I prey to god tielemans is not in a ubited shirt. Do so average imo. Save the money and would rather have fred and mc in cm and buy in next window a proper cm. Buying for the sake of buying is what we have been doing.
9.) 29 Jun 2022 20:43:30
Latest is that FDJ is traveling to Manchester tomorrow by helicopter. Big twist, it’s being piloted by Schniedurer and he’s finally joining too.
10.) 29 Jun 2022 20:55:24
Would just sum up our transfer dealings of the past few years if fdj doesn't want to join. Spend ages chasing someone that doesn't really want to come. Do we not atleast ask agents before we waste time chasing players that don't want to come.
11.) 29 Jun 2022 23:38:02
Danny,
When things don’t sound true they probably aren’t. Best to just wait and see.
12.) 30 Jun 2022 07:59:36
The downside of being a Utd supporter is that they’re still the biggest attraction in the media for selling stories so we get these ridiculous and contradicting reports, and blow by blow updates of every single transfer. It’s tedious, frustrating and 90% made up.
I hate the transfer window with a passion.
21 Jul 2019 16:59:25
I believe the maguire deal is done. All happy with the signing?
1.) 21 Jul 2019 17:46:18
Could well be our era's Steve Bruce signing. But what a great stop gap to lead Lindelof and Tuanzabe. Ultimately when it comes to replacing a player of Maguire's ability you at the very top of the market.
Would be a smart signing.
2.) 21 Jul 2019 17:58:49
Not my first choice I’ll admit but he will improve our defence which is looking much stronger and more balanced now.
It should also allow a couple to depart.
3.) 21 Jul 2019 18:01:57
Expensive stop gap 😂.
4.) 21 Jul 2019 18:19:03
Why do we think it's done? Obviously you mean pending medical but I've only seen unreliable reports atm.
Have i missed something.
5.) 21 Jul 2019 18:26:52
We haven't signed him yet.
6.) 21 Jul 2019 18:36:59
Not a great fan, but I hope he does well if he does arrive. Hopefully those who think like me will give him a chance, and not turn on him if he doesn't hit the ground running.
7.) 21 Jul 2019 19:07:25
Same as you Nou. I think there are better options out there but will back him a 100%. I do think he is an improvement.
8.) 21 Jul 2019 21:47:13
Expensive but the best we can get and we moan the club don't spend.
9.) 21 Jul 2019 21:59:44
Angle
Your going to back him 100% .
For how long?
10.) 21 Jul 2019 22:46:57
Jred, There are a lot of players who have come through the doors at the club who do not have the right attitude. If I question a player, I know it is justified.
Maguire, needs a proper chance at the club to show his worth. If we look at him a couple of years down the road and let's say he is consistently out of shape or simply not giving it his all, he will be questioned.
Hope that helps 😊.
11.) 22 Jul 2019 01:30:04
So about the same time people give managers before questioning them. Players and managers all need support until they have shown their worth. Some people call for managers to be sacked some call for players to be sold.
Some opinions change if players improve or managers improve or indeed over time. Sometimes patience pays off sometimes it doesn't
Opinions in football are as fluid as players form and performances.
12.) 22 Jul 2019 01:42:20
Only time will tell with maguire.
I think he will do well.
Im well aware of his alleged frailties but he has attributes we need. The timing is right. I predict he will like AWB be a huge fan faviurite.
The money is crazy but that's the way it is.
I can't think of a lower risk option.
If he and awb help us concede a dozen less goals then its money well spent.
He is a tryer he is playing at a level well above where his good given talent affords him.
Just like carragher neville terry adams bruce even today at top clubs davison sanchez at spurs loveren or matip at Liverpool luiz at chelsea stones at city. Maguire is better than all of them and they play most weeks.
Maguire will improve our team and imo would get into any top 6 side ahead of those in mentioned.
13.) 22 Jul 2019 05:45:36
At the moment, Maguire will walk into our side.
Moves Lindelof to his preferred Right side.
Dangerous in set piece at both the boxes.
Can pick a pass which means he is another attacking outlet.
Ofcourse he has his deficiencies, But I would easily pick him over Jones or Smalling or Rojo.
We are not challenging for the title. We cannot offer Champions League.
Do you guys really think it is attractive for the likes of Varane or De Ligt to join us?
We need to be realistic.
05 Jul 2019 13:45:05
Seems like you're bang on with Fernandes. We are very keen.
Will you be doing any sharkopods this summer?
{Ed002's Note - I hope so. My issue has been a great deal of travel and even though I am in England right now it is only for a few more days.}
1.) 05 Jul 2019 14:01:11
Ed I have a story about travel.
This blonde woman got on a plane and went to sit in first class, the stewardess noticed she hadn't paid first class, sorry you will have to move to the back of the plane, I'm blonde I'm beautiful and I'm going to Dublin she said and wouldn't move, so the stewardess told the Co pilot and captain, the Co pilot went back same thing I'm blonde I'm beautiful and I'm going to Dublin.
Soo the captain says I have a blonde wife ill deal with this, he went back whispered in her ear and she got up and moved to the back of the plane, what did you sayto her says the co pilot, I just told her only the back of the plane was going to Dublin😊.
{Ed002's Note - Very good. What's the difference between American pilots and Iraqi pilots? American pilots break ground and fly into the wind.}
2.) 05 Jul 2019 15:12:59
Perhaps we could take you on a tour of the cobbled streets of Manchester Ed ðŸ˜.
3.) 05 Jul 2019 16:30:06
Very good ed.
4.) 05 Jul 2019 18:06:38
We hope so too ed! Safe travels.
5.) 05 Jul 2019 22:55:56
Sorry guys, as an Iraqi I find the above joke very offensive.
{Ed002's Note - But sadly you are no more than a cretinous liar.}
6.) 05 Jul 2019 23:49:01
Mutanabi it's a joke, I'm all my life listening to jokes about Irishman, cork men, whatever but I laugh at them. Lighten up and laugh it helps.
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10 Mar 2025 19:47:58
Who's lying then, ken or SJR?
Club was going to be broke by Christmas or not? ?.
1.) 10 Mar 2025 20:19:08
Both could be telling the truth. Liquidity and being solvent are different things.
2.) 10 Mar 2025 23:30:29
He literally says we would have run out of cash by Christmas, so both are correct.
3.) 11 Mar 2025 05:19:51
angel
Running out of cash is an interesting phrase, but it doesn’t mean we would be insolvent. Trading whilst insolvent is something he would not want to happen. There are lots of technicalities around this, broke is simplistic, running out of cash does not give the whole picture, so best stick to football.
4.) 11 Mar 2025 10:13:44
Watch the full interview on the YouTube Overlap channel. It's well worth a viewing.
5.) 11 Mar 2025 14:13:39
I thought he wriggled somewhat. Neville asked some sensible questions and SJR tried to be open, but on occasions he didn't do himself any favours. Asked about the £40K for ex players and how it could have been covered, he said 'I didn't think of that'.
Neville pointed out that the club always had a heart, it seems no longer, it's the balance sheet that takes precedence.
I get we need to reduce costs, but it's been easy targets so far.
6.) 11 Mar 2025 15:36:00
What's wrong with that ajh? Attack the low hanging fruit 1st. Makes total sense.
05 Mar 2025 09:19:10
I hear nothing but excuses for RA on here.
As bad as last season was, we have been performing worse on every single metric since him taking over.
At what point will the manager be held accountable?
1.) 05 Mar 2025 09:45:25
Aye, sack him and go again. And again. And again!
2.) 05 Mar 2025 09:50:24
If things go how I expect between now and the end of the season then I’d say he’ll do well to survive. The squad isn’t great but should we be this bad? Things won’t get any better short term either as any motivation will soon be gone. We are out of fa cup, soon to be Europa, league position other than financially doesn’t matter as it’s awful and add that to the fact that apparently a number of players have already been told they’re gone in the summer. That’s Hardly going to incentivise them to put in performances. do the minimum and pick up the pay cheque between now and may is what I expect to see. Sadly.
3.) 05 Mar 2025 09:52:09
He will have his 6 month probation review coming up soon, so then?
4.) 05 Mar 2025 10:23:00
Oh god let’s hope we don’t have the same crap as last season where it took 3-4 weeks to do the review. Gives the media even more bs to spew out.
5.) 05 Mar 2025 10:24:47
Fizz, I'm not saying sack him. But the excuses are as long as my arm.
There's issues staring us in the face but none seem willing to talk about them. All I hear are excuses.
6.) 05 Mar 2025 10:25:32
Tim, we have to see improvement soon or he will fall foul of SJR.
7.) 05 Mar 2025 10:25:33
I'm inclined to agree, Angel.
One thing I haven't seen yet is a clear style of play from this team under RA. Setting up as a 3-4-3 isn't a style of play; it's just a formation. On the ball, I’m not seeing anything that suggests the team knows how to play. You could argue the players don't fit the system, but I would still expect to see some identifiable passing styles or build-up play. Instead, it looks almost identical to how it was under ETH—11 players uncertain of what to do, just in a different formation.
The club made it clear that RA is the 'Head Coach, ' not the 'Manager, ' but I haven't seen any individual players improve under his guidance either. In fact, it feels like the squad as a whole is regressing, which is worrying, especially since they’re all RA’s coaches.
I’m not calling for RA to be sacked, but he isn’t exempt from accountability. Both Everton and Wolves have seen improvements in their play and results after changing managers this season, despite retaining the same players. You can also look at the Championship—Coventry were just outside the relegation zone on goal difference in November and are now sitting 5th after bringing in Lampard, again with much of the same squad.
8.) 05 Mar 2025 10:59:07
I think we seem to be hanging onto the notion that once he gets a few of his signings in, everything's going to suddenly click into place.
With a low budget (I assume), free signings and players of potential likely to be the targets, I'm not sure I'm convinced that's going to happen. I'd love to be proved wrong and think he'll get the chance. When he first came in I had hoped to see some sprouts of something beginning to come together within a few months, but on the pitch we've definitely gone backwards. Best games have been when we're completely up against it and expected to get a tanking. Worst games have been against the so-called weaker sides in the Prem, which sadly we're probably among right now.
9.) 05 Mar 2025 11:05:27
Spenno, he is struggling to coach the squad we have now.
I'm sure we were told on here by a few that we needed a better coach to get the most out of this squad and then look to add and take away from it. What I have seen so far is that everyone has regressed barring the incredible Bruno who constantly shows up. We were also told HE was a major issue.
He is struggling to get the best out of this lot. He is not going to get a new 11, so how are we expected to trust him with new signings.
I look at Moyes, and have said this a few times. He has taken over a really struggling everton side and almost immediately picked them up. They look a different team.
We have seen none of that with RA, in fact it's gotten worse.
10.) 05 Mar 2025 11:06:00
U have to think that sjr and the board will be worried about repeating last summers mistakes. They kept the manager and backed him only for results and performances to stay the same and they had to sack him soon after. If signings aren’t formation and Amorim specific then it’s less of an issue but I can see the board being hesitant to bring in exactly what suits his system incase it goes pear shaped again.
11.) 05 Mar 2025 11:09:33
The unfortunate piston RA finds himself in, is that he wanted to wait until till the summer to join Utd, whereas SJR wanted him immediately.
He plays 343, but doesn't have the players who can really play that. However, what it has gone him is time to find out who will stay and d who will go. Long term this might be very beneficial as he will have done the dirty work.
Will he be sacked? I don't think so. Firstly Uttd can't afford to sack him for one. Secondly they would look like morons. Finally hiring a new manager, who would have to work with limited funds isn't particularly enticing. Neither is the prospect of working for SJR and Co.
What i do want to see, is maguire being dropped with Yoro, de ligt and Maz or heaven as part of a back 3. Utds lack of pace when playing Maguire and De ligt is simply shocking. I think players look Scanlon need to be given a chance aswell. The club has some fantastic youth players, who deserve a chance.
12.) 05 Mar 2025 11:10:05
angel
I would hope we interviewed well, understood his principles and decided we bought into it. That means supporting him with changes, we can see they did that with Rash and Antony as a start. The club will know what he is trying to do, and I suspect his assessment will be close to Rangnicks. He has only had one player in so far. We have been in pain since SAF said the new manager would be David Moyes. Yet have allowed it to get worse. It is so broken right now that it needs the heart surgery, a triple bypass. It was never going to be pretty. The manager must be allowed to assert control over the players.
So for me I suggest patience and let him make the fundamental changes needed. If we sack a manager or Head Coach as he is, now, it would be utter turmoil and sheer stupidity. The players need to know there is one boss we believe in and we haven’t had that since SAF.
Yes accountability is key but anyone who has been in a senior management position will tell you that when you get in, find a shambles, there is a lot of pain, you discuss with the Directors how you will resolve it, you have to have backing to do it. I also suspect he will have a plan to use the youth coming through and that will be over the next 18 months or so.
Talk to us about accountability in a year after several windows. Objectivity has been a problem at United, too many couldn’t see Ole for what he was because of being blinded by emotion. They still bleat about him now.
This guy Amorim is different gravy to everyone since SAF for me, I can see what he is doing from a senior management perspective and he needs to be let get on with it.
13.) 05 Mar 2025 11:36:23
Frankly I'm more concerned about the input of Brailsford, Wilcox and Berrada et al. Anyone seen any evidence of the theory of marginal gains? Or of Wilcox showing any glimpse of helping us achieve the highest standards of performance on the pitch? Don't worry, it's all going to be ok in summer. :D.
14.) 05 Mar 2025 11:43:35
Red man, it all sounds great and idealistic. But the simple thing remains, he has not been able to get a tune out of any of these guys and that is extremely worrying. They have all regressed.
Talking with senior management and directors and hatching a plan only works if you can the signs of improvement. There have been NONE whatsoever, that is thing.
Don't be fooled into thinking that they backed him by getting rid of rashford. The club wanted him gone because he is too expensive. All you have to do is look at SJRs history, he would have seen rashford and said, too much money, get him gone. But it sounds great, that they "backed" him.
Bottom line is results are the poorest we have ever seen. Had performances been better, even that could've been something to highlight, but even they have been the worst we have ever seen.
Very worrying times ahead.
15.) 05 Mar 2025 13:01:31
Spenno,
Berrada and Wilcox were highly thought of at City. Utd are ina mess, it isn't something that can be quickly turned around.
Everything takes. time.
16.) 05 Mar 2025 12:38:15
Be the usual UTD managers can't be judged till they've spent at least 300/ 400 million and had a good couple of years to see if there hipster style works in a real league. I dunno what some fans are seeing to think he merits the credit card for a rebuild he's even worse than the last fella and that's a tremendously low bar nxt itll be hailed a masterstroke avoiding relagation with this extremely expensively assembled squad wrong manager at the wrong time his style needs hundreds of millions spent to see if itll work here that's why West Ham and Liverpool found him to risky an appointment but but City wanted him to replace Pep oh ye sure they did lol.
17.) 05 Mar 2025 13:16:38
Antony was well thought of at Ajax.
Hojlund was well thought of at Atlanta.
Didn't make them ready for the big time.
18.) 05 Mar 2025 13:42:28
I think it’s context not excuses.
The owners gave ETH an extension, and allowed him to spend more money on players for his system.
Decided to hire a manager that played a completely different system to that of the first team, and youth teams.
Ignored the advice of the sporting director they deemed essential to the club’s future, and then sacked him.
Rejected Amorim’s preference to take charge during the summer.
Knew that the squad wasn’t built for his system, and that he wouldn’t have funds to bring in better suited players.
Amorim has not done well. He is struggling, and it feels like he’s slowly losing confidence. The players are losing confidence too. Both in him, and how he wants them to play. Some of that is on Amorim, but there are a host of foreseen problems that the people running the club chose to ignore. Every week it looks less and less likely he will succeed. However, what can’t be denied is that Ineos put him a position where it’s far more difficult to succeed.
The key question is how to move forward?
Do you sack Amorim in the summer? Tear things up and start again?
Or, does the club provide a better chance for his system to work?
It just seems so obvious that the best decision would have been to keep Ruud in charge until the end of the season. Then decide which way to go. Now, we’re in a worse place than last summer. Not clear if we have the right manager, and caught between backing him, or changing things, again.
Different people running the club, with the exact same outcome.
19.) 05 Mar 2025 14:14:31
If it’s not Ole it’s the other emotional choice of Ruud.
20.) 05 Mar 2025 17:03:15
Keep worrying angel. I'm not in the slightest bit worried. The business is addressing issues that have been left festering for years. Very positive times ahead.
21.) 05 Mar 2025 17:40:30
He seemed to be quite capable of coaching a progress coherant team at Sporting, so why does it seem to be struggling to happen at United, maybe the same reason the team didn’t have a coherent style under Ten Hag.
22.) 05 Mar 2025 17:49:48
Danny, all that aside, he has been unable to get the current bunch playing better. Get rid of ETH they said, get a proper coach that knows what he is doing in. Well, so far, he looks a bit clueless.
Ken, lovely to look and plan ahead but in football, we live in the here and now, and right now he has some serious issues.
As for the business addressing things, I don't know what you mean by that or if they are actually correctly addressing the issues.
23.) 05 Mar 2025 18:36:39
I understand and it's obvious you don't know what it means angel.
Only a short term thinker lives in the here and now. Short term thinking is exactly what the club have been doing for years. A cup here and there with no plan to build a sustainable title winning team. No title challenge for over 10 years with the dirty term thinking. They had a plan and strategy to replace lvg but bottle it a year early and it's been short term thinking every since.
Klopp and Liverpool had a plan and strategy there were in bad shape before that with a diocesan succession of managers until they bought into his plan. He couldn't win anything until he replaced 90% or mauve 100% of the players he inherited.
Including their so called best players at the time to generate income to reinvest.
You are by your own admission a here and now type of fan. Today's ok of your into that sort of thing. It won't bring sustained success never had nor ever will.
Personally I'm much more interested in the medium to long term.
24.) 05 Mar 2025 18:39:02
Angel. Ra and ETH are petition at the exact same level this season. 1.2 points per game on the epl.
Although ra has wins in Europe erh had none.
Stop with the daft claim that it's got worse as the season has gone on. 1st 9 games 1.2 points per game. Last 15 1.2 points per game.
25.) 05 Mar 2025 18:44:25
angel
This guy is toast and just a matter of when. He is a useful tool for them to do what they want to do in terms of restructuring our bills and clearing the deck in terms of the squad. They will not sell the farm betting on him come summer unless they are noobs and they are far from that and will buy what they think the next guy can use.
We are going to have a horrendous season with him in charge for 30 games, that is almost a full season and he will break every conceivable record for worst, including pre Ferguson era.
26.) 05 Mar 2025 18:53:01
redman
He will get sacked when we sitting in 10th place after 10 games. he can't compete at pl level imo. He has one plan and no good manager I know operates that way. Useful/ nice guy to do what they want in terms of shedding the wage bill. Lovely honest guy but this league is way beyond him. I do respect him he will die by his own sword like 95% of newly promoted managers who want to stick to their principles of what got them promoted.
Buckle up it will be an ugly rough last 10 games my friend.
27.) 05 Mar 2025 19:18:48
Ken, so condescending ? "it's obvious you don't know what it means angel". Of course I do.
And then you go onto to liken Klopp to RA. I mean, who doesn't understand it ?
Here’s a breakdown of the statistics from Rúben Amorim’s first 16 Premier League games compared to Erik ten Hag’s last 16:
Rúben Amorim’s First 16 Premier League Games
Wins: 5
Draws: 3
Losses: 8
Goals Scored: 16
Goals Conceded: 24
Win Rate: 31.25%
Points: 18 / 48 available
Erik ten Hag’s Last 16 Premier League Games
Wins: 9
Draws: 3
Losses: 4
Goals Scored: 23
Goals Conceded: 18
Win Rate: 56.25%
Points: 30 / 48 available
Key Takeaways
Ten Hag had a significantly better win rate (56.25%) compared to Amorim’s 31.25%.
United under Amorim scored fewer goals (16 vs. 23) and conceded more (24 vs. 18).
Amorim’s side collected 12 fewer points than Ten Hag’s in the same number of matches.
There has been a notable decline in results since Amorim took over, particularly in defense and overall consistency. Oh and we won a trophy ?
4 points off top 4 when he took over now we are 14.
But you keep up the condescending stuff ??.
28.) 05 Mar 2025 19:25:24
Jürgen Klopp began his tenure as Liverpool manager on October 8, 2015. His first 16 Premier League matches yielded the following results:
Wins: 6
Draws: 5
Losses: 5
Goals Scored: 22
Goals Conceded: 20
Win Rate: 37.5%
Points Accumulated: 23 out of a possible 48
Under Klopp's leadership, Liverpool reached the finals of both the League Cup and the UEFA Europa League during the 2015–16 season, though they did not secure either trophy.
Jurgen klopps first season as Liverpool manager. 2 cup finals too. Ken, go have a lie down.
29.) 05 Mar 2025 21:14:58
Angel how many pints per game did eth get this season?
You want to include 2 different seasons. Stupid.
Eth got 1.2 ponts per game this season.
Amorin has 1.2 points per game this season. They have performed the exact same. Game is a fact.
In troupe this session eth won 0
games amorim won 3 maybe 4 I think. They are simple facts.
Read you your own post angel. By your own admission you say
'As for the business addressing things, I don't know what you mean by that' I agree it's obvious you don't know what I mean. It's very clear you don't. You are only interested in the here and now.
Angel what did I say . It took klopp years to win anything. And by the time he did he had changed 90% of the players. Have a little lie down yourself. Losing Cup finals are not a measure of success in my book.
You are only interested in the here and now. I'm more interested in long term viability and building something for the longer term. Really bright future ahead for the club imo.
30.) 05 Mar 2025 21:25:17
When did I liken klopp to RA?
Not once did i do that.
I said Liverpool had been through a succesion of managers and had no long term strategy until they employed klopp. The club finances were a mess. They had a strategy and coach they believed in backed him were patient and he delivered and their strategy was successful.
They stopped the madness of chasing the here and now and put a plan in place. You are a here and now fan only interested in the present. Nothing wrong with that if that's your way of supporting. It's not mine. The business is addressing some absolutely devastating former bad policies that have led us to this place. That is great news imo. It's not great for the here and now so that will upset the fans that are interested in the short term. I'm OK with that and quite like the meltdown some are having. it's hilarious to read some of it. Quite entertaining to see the different points of view.
Don't say you don't understand something and accuse me of being condescending when I say that's not surprising. Because it's not surprising when you live in the here and now and that's your focus.
Enjoy the nap??.
31.) 05 Mar 2025 22:25:32
Okay so let's compare his first 16 games in charge with ten hags first 16 games.
Eth
Won 10, drew 2, lost 4. Facts ?
As for the business, when I say I don't know what you mean by that, I don't know the specifics in which you are referring to? The sacking of 100s? The brilliant mind of hiring and firing a DOF? And so on. So that's what I mean, but I'm sorry if it's gone over your head.
The here and now is what modern day football r.
32.) 05 Mar 2025 22:25:54
The here and now is how all managers are j.
33.) 05 Mar 2025 22:53:28
Liverpool fan here.
Klopps results weren't great at the start. But we could see the style of play on the pitch and the energy he brought to the team/ club.
Amorim hasn't shown any of that so far. Maybe he will come good. but so far the performances have been atrocious. His excuses are running thin surely he needs to take some responsibility for not being able to make a group of professional players play a way that will win games. Writing is on the wall I feel.
34.) 06 Mar 2025 00:20:19
Few on here will likely have written a company strategy document, so it is no surprise there is such a short term view on RA. I understand after 12 years since SAF there is the want it now attitude, had that myself in the 70’s and 80’s. There is a bigger picture and I am surprised someone like ahmad who said he runs businesses doesn’t see it. It needs a business turnaround director to come in with fresh perspective to look forward and make tough decisions, set a new direction and RA, from what I see, is doing it. He has done what leaders do, given us his vision of how he wants us to play and we are starting the journey. Just starting.
angel said “he has not been able to get a tune out of any of these guys and that is extremely worrying. They have all regressed. ”
So was this the all conquering title winning machine that he inherited? Or the disjointed, poorly purchased, muddled set of Individual players who had been playing appalling football and never ever looked like challenging for the title? RA has to change the direction of 12 years of misguided nonsense plus 2 horrendous years, and Ole before that, which left us with a bunch of players utterly confused by ETH, players bought for him like the useless goalkeeper.
ETH was sacked because he was given £700m and was clearly going nowhere, with no strategy. ahmad may not like it because he was a cheerleader for ETH yet the players are still the same. You have to hope the new management learned ETH had no strategy, moved away from his own principles, so when hiring RA wanted someone the opposite.
angel
“Talking with senior management and directors and hatching a plan only works if you can the signs of improvement. There have been NONE whatsoever, that is thing. ”
It is true that when you set a new strategy you want an early sign of some sort to show it’s the right direction, it could be argued our performances against Arsenal and Liverpool gave him that.
You talk bottom line, we are not the poorest we have ever seen, I go back to 68. Seen far worse than this and I would say ETH was worse because we didn’t know what he was trying to do. We haven’t been beaten out of sight like we were under Ole and ETH, no 7 goal hammering.
I repeat, I like what I have seen and heard from RA and this is not a short term project. I have for many many years in business referred to this as trying to slow and turn a supertanker and that process has now started. I advocate patience this time.
35.) 06 Mar 2025 00:58:00
A lot of great business minds on here to teach the uneducated among us.
36.) 06 Mar 2025 07:22:26
Facts comparing different squads time and players angel. Brilliant more apples v oranges.
Eth and amorin have done the exact same with this squad this season except amorin did better in European games.
Paint it how you like.
You keep saying on here I can't belive he only has 18 points from 15 games . Eth got 11 from nine.
It's very clear why are views differ. Your a heart and now man you've said it no care or thought for the longer term.
You don't want the club to change from spending money they don't have. You just want a sugar daddy to fund us out of this mess
You seen to have some sort of issue with people wanting to make money.
Just 2 very different people with 2 very different views on how a business should be run.
I hope you will be frustrated for a bit yet as it means the club will be sticking with their strategy.
37.) 06 Mar 2025 07:54:14
Angel let's simplify it .
Compare how eth did this season with this squad to RA.
It's an easy and the most accurate comparison to do.
Why compare over different seasons when the data is there for the currant season with the most like for like comparison. I know you why you don't want to do that. So do you. ?.
38.) 06 Mar 2025 08:33:41
ken, here and now is how managers are judged. It has nothing got to do with how I support a club. You just think you know how I do. My focus is not the here and now, it's just the world of football lives in the here and now. Nothing for to do with how I support the club. You think you know how I support, when you really don't.
RA, could be the future, but he has to show us why he is here, why he has been chosen to manage this club. We look worse than ever.
Anyway, enjoy your nap, maybe with a good sleep, you'll have more clarity, it catches up with everyone at your age ken ?.
39.) 06 Mar 2025 11:57:22
I bet you he is not judged on the here and now. He will get the time. Only idiots judging him now.
40.) 06 Mar 2025 17:00:30
Amorim been in the job 4 months! Some people need to get an effing grip.
41.) 06 Mar 2025 23:11:23
These same players who couldn’t play in ten hags way of llaying or system
They have played about 5 different systems and are rubbish pants
When are people going to realise these players other than probably 4 or 5 out of the 26 man squad are mid table fodders.
42.) 07 Mar 2025 01:48:07
Bolger
Ten Hag had a way of playing? I am shocked to hear that
ahmad doesn’t like it but we have many “mid table fodders” based upon Ten Hag idea of good footballers.
Supasub, agreed.
14 Feb 2025 23:24:35
Please Ed, some banter this, if we can get it up. Thanks a mil.
1.) 15 Feb 2025 01:52:37
Brilliant.
2.) 15 Feb 2025 13:33:47
Paddys do some brilliant videos, this one is bang on lol.
03 Feb 2025 21:37:33
14 points in 13 games. Wow, what a stat.
1.) 04 Feb 2025 14:19:07
According to some the club is in the right direction.
28 Jan 2025 10:45:28
Would we take Evan Ferguson on loan?
For me? Given the choices we have. Then, absolutely. Young, Hard worker, fast, tough, can score a goal.
1.) 28 Jan 2025 11:22:04
Makes sense to me as well. Also yet another reminder of the dangers in hyping up young players instead of developing them gradually. A year ago he had all sorts of silly prices on his head and rumours of Madrid and what not. Especially for strikers in the modern game where there is usually one focal point, i think the burden is harder (Hojlund is a case of that to am extent)
2.) 28 Jan 2025 11:33:14
So you’d advocate taking another young and inexperienced striker who has done virtually nothing in the game to lead the line or support our current young and inexperienced player who is currently struggling to lead the line?
Secondly he's been injured all season, and thirdly why would Brighton loan him to us? Transfer windows send everybody to madness.
3.) 28 Jan 2025 11:38:27
Given that two seasons ago this player was the next big thing, it would be a no-brainer to take a punt. But is he available? Brighton don't seem stacked up front.
4.) 28 Jan 2025 11:46:31
Absolutely. But I can’t see it happening.
5.) 28 Jan 2025 12:08:34
He’s was out injured since last April with ankle injury came back and then got injured again in December with another ankle injury
We don’t need 1, another player who is susceptible to injuries and 2. Another young player that needs time and patience.
But then again it is a loan, and would he do more than Rasmus and zirkzee, probably a risk worth taking in hindsight
Would Brighton want to do a loan with option deal?
6.) 28 Jan 2025 12:39:06
Eric, we have no money to spend. Give me another attainable striker at little or no cost.
In these circumstances, he is most Definitely worth a punt. But we could just carry on with Zirkzee and Hojlund ??.
7.) 28 Jan 2025 12:46:47
I wouldn’t. He’s inexperienced and injury prone. As a backup maybe, but we need an experienced striker right now.
8.) 28 Jan 2025 14:00:12
Bring back Ighalo? ?
I hear of course. Not sure it’s a deal Brighton would entertain. They’re a properly run club.
9.) 28 Jan 2025 14:44:34
So we potentially develop him further, give him a platform because he can’t get into Brightons 11 and then maybe pay a premium fee if we actually want him with money we might not have. Not sure on this one.
10.) 28 Jan 2025 16:07:02
Dear oh dear, we can’t even loan Brighton players….
11.) 28 Jan 2025 17:33:45
Ferguson will not be coming to united on loan this winter. He is hoping for a loan deal to West ham this winter.
12.) 28 Jan 2025 17:47:53
Balotelli. ???.
13.) 29 Jan 2025 07:23:28
West Ham would be a good fit for him. They desperately need a CF and the Potter/ Brighton connection should help.
26 Feb 2025 17:39:30
Haha give him his dues, scored a few at Birmingham and is banging in a few this year in Greece ?.
25 Feb 2025 18:30:39
What's is salary? Are we sure he is not being overpaid? Do we really need him? Could someone else not take on his role ensuring that we are not needlessly overspending as we have some many cutbacks to make.
And what would we have to pay him if we needed to terminate his contract? All things to consider considering SJRs track record.
11 Feb 2025 21:38:07
If it is true, it won't go anywhere, the club have made a decision to back the manager through hell or high water and he will be allowed to do what he wants, rightly or wrongly. Club needs a full reset.
30 Jan 2025 20:12:15
Grim
Collyer, Mainoo, Garnacho all came from there and were promoted by ETH. I mean that's pretty decent going if you ask me. I think it's a case of players in the academy not being ready. Amorim has been here for months and hasn't promoted one yet.
29 Jan 2025 07:22:29
Shappy, its the best. Also easier to mould the players, get them all singing of the same hymn sheet. Also allows a better sell on possibility should they not work out. Very positive.
19 Apr 2025 16:54:02
Ed025, he is in a class of his own and I feel a lot of his turning over of possession comes down to him wanting to take everything upon his shoulders and also him trying to make the dangerous pass in nearly every situation.
But the so called "real football fans" on here wanted him gone. , incredible stuff ?.
{Ed025's Note - he has not got much around him mate thats why he has to take chances..
19 Apr 2025 16:52:29
My own little furrow? I think there's plenty that find it okay to not be hanging out the back of a manager who has 23 points in 21 games.
You can say "we would have been out of Europe long ago" but you have no facts to back that up only an opinion, which of course, like all of us on here are entitled to have.
Oh unless of course it doesn't jive with certain posters ?
I am in no doubt that RA is here to stay and IMO that's the right call because we have been down this road too many times, but putting Bruno's form down to his masterclass is very amusing. And "real football fans" are also able to call out his atrocious record up until this point.
Ports, I had a proper giggle myself at that one ??.
19 Apr 2025 11:18:32
Without our points from the start of the season ed, we would have been further down the table IMO. Amorim has given a masterclass in coaching in regards to Bruno, apparently, like he hasn't always performed like that over the years, beggars belief. But where has the masterclass in coaching been for the rest of the squad, 23 points in 21 games.
{Ed025's Note - i dont know about a masterclass Angel, Amorim has inherited quite a lot of dross mate but Bruno has been your only outstanding player, he seems to have calmed down a bit but i dont know whether thats down to the manager or if its that he has matured mate..
19 Apr 2025 05:17:06
Ed025, he was a massive problem according to some on here a few months ago lol.
Bruno is the very least of our worries. The only true too class we have had in years. What a player.
{Ed025's Note - without him Angel you look like relegation candidates mate, i cant think of one other player i would want from your team...and i support Everton ffs..
18 Apr 2025 21:15:48
A masterclass in coaching.
23 points in 21 games. Okay redman.