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09 Jan 2022 18:40:01
I don't think we will see too much activity in this window at OT.
Perhaps a few loan deals out which will help thin out the squad a bit.
I think poch will be our new manager so is it not best to let him or whomever it is have as much input and budget as possible.
Looking forward to tomorrow night. Should see a few fresh faces and some cohesion after a few days training.


1.) 09 Jan 2022 19:08:32
I'm sure the club still expects to finish top 4 at least, and not getting CL for next season could well have a bearing on any summer signings - manager or players. So if any signing can be made in this window that would walk into this side (not out of the question where midfield is concerned) I'm hoping things are being looked out.

2.) 09 Jan 2022 21:35:05
Ken I’d hope to see a few fresh faces too, in fact I think us fans would like to see a statement by Ralph and some under performing names dropped!
I think it’s time he put his marker down and by that I mean drop the big names who quite clearly shouldn’t be playing. Maguire, Ronaldo, Bruno even! We’ll see!



21 Nov 2021 23:14:08
Ed002. There are so many reports and rumours that there is some confusion amongst supporters.
From what I can make out it appears to be the following
Carrick as caretaker with fletcher having a more prominent role within the team.
The club are looking to appoint an interim manager until the end of the season.
The club will look at appoint a new permanent manager in the close season.
Is that summary correct?
If so Ed do you know who the club are considering for the interim role?
Have you any insight as to who the preferred candidate is for the permanent role is?
Poch, Ten Hagg and Rodgers have all been mentioned by you before but with the club appearing to want to wait until the summer do you see anybody else being under consideration?


{Ed002's Note - The club would rather not have an interim manager but preferred options are not available right now or not interested. The club may stick with Carrick and Fletcher if it is possible to attract someone they want. Zidane is available but seems to want the PSG or France jobs. Rodger’s may be a viable option. Pochettino perhaps in the summer. For an interim role the club should look at keeping it house if possible and riding the season out and spending the time deciding if they want to address the larger management issue or keep working through managers.}

1.) 22 Nov 2021 10:42:38
in an ideal world, psg let poch go and they get zidane and poch takes the hot seat at OT.

we have seen what tucel did with Chelsea in such little time, a decent coach and staff will get miles more from this squad. its the best squad we have had in 8 seasons.

2.) 22 Nov 2021 11:19:01
Seems pace is gathering for Poch coming sooner rather than later. Not sure about this one to be honest. I know it’s Sir Alex preferred choice, but there’s a reason Spurs let him go and he’s hardly setting the world on fire in Paris.

Unfortunately for me is the influence that Sir Alex seems to be having on football decisions. It seems that when he speaks, the club automatically carry out his wishes and I don’t think that’s a healthy place to be in. He was obviously behind Ronny coming back and that decision is perhaps another debate in itself. As a club they have time now to get things right.

Not just a managerial appointment, but the whole management structure and how this impinges on the short and long term. In terms of manager, personally I’d like to see us wait until summer and then make an approach for Eric Ten Hag and his complete backroom staff if this is possible.

He’s worked wonders at Ajax, his style of play is similar to where we want to be and he’s renowned for giving youth a chance and developing a clubs academy. If they can bring Edwin in as DoF then we’ve cracked it.

3.) 22 Nov 2021 12:03:25
Hardly setting the world on fire? He’s lost 1 game all season, is well clear at the top of the league and will qualify for the knockout stage of the Champions League. What exactly were you expecting him to have done so far?

4.) 22 Nov 2021 11:59:43
fire psg are top, walking the title and unbeaten in UCL

he did an amazing job with spurs with 0 funds for 4-5 seasons, if spurs let him spend some money to improve the squad they would have won the title in one of them seasons

he was let down by levy.

{Ed014's Note - how much had Leicester spent then, when they beat Spurs to the title?

He had a far superior squad to theirs didn’t he?

5.) 22 Nov 2021 12:41:45
Take the comments onboard regarding his record at PSG this season. However, with Messi, Neymar and Mbappe…. would you expect anything different? At clubs like PSG, Bayern etc, it’s just a case of rinse and repeat. It doesn’t necessarily indicate a mangers prowess.

Time will tell what direction the club go in, although I think you can pretty much write this season off to be honest, unless the interim team manage to do a Di Matteo and win the Champions League.

Either way, relieving Ole of his position is a positive step, despite him having a special place in fans hearts. I’m pleased to say I don’t think that will change.

6.) 22 Nov 2021 12:41:56
Yeah but freak seasons happen.

He did a great job at spurs. With a bit more investment they would have won a title.

I think poch would be a good decision

Ten hag won't have the right set up to succeed, ajax are built different from 1st team down to there unders.

7.) 22 Nov 2021 13:11:42
I don't rate Pochettino. He didn't win anything at Spurs, and didn't even win Ligue 1 in his first season, given the squad he had.

8.) 22 Nov 2021 13:27:10
Leicester also beat Pep’s city that season, it’s ridiculous to compare.



08 Nov 2021 20:41:08
Rashford out of England squad pogba out of French squad.
Ole avoiding to retorts flew home to Norway today. Unclear if it was planned.
I would have thought it would be a good opportunity to work with mason sancho Jesse and other non internationals.
Maybe he is gone to consider his position who knows.
Maybe he has gone on a planned holiday the break is needed in sure he looks like he has Aged 10 years in 6 months.


1.) 09 Nov 2021 04:41:50
Now just close all entry points from Norway.

2.) 09 Nov 2021 07:03:44
There are rumours growing he will be relieved of his duties in the next 2 days.

3.) 09 Nov 2021 07:34:56

I found it very strange they have given everyone a week off. After such calamitous defeats I would have expected extra training. We might conclude and the best explanation is that the players are now so entrenched against what the manager is asking, they really don’t believe what the coaches are doing. It could be antagonistic putting the dead man walking managed in charge of DvB and Sancho, major club assets. Therefore, take them all out of the firing line whilst they deal with the situation. It is hard to imagine the players coming back to Ole and his coaches next week given what has been reported, insurrection would be more likely. When even Rio has now seen the light the club must realise time is up.

The ideal time is when he is in Norway, home, there are no unsavoury pictures of him looking more shell shocked than after the last game. He has privacy there.

Let’s hope the club make decisions on his future quickly. I doubt he will get near the Norwich job though.

The thing is Conte was available, now they have very few quality managers to choose from, I am not convinced by Zidane. Step one first, Ole must go.

4.) 09 Nov 2021 08:06:19
The club will not act unless they really need to Ted Man - backed up by Ed2.

Poch is clearly our the next choice and he’s not ready to go yet until summer at the earliest so can only imagine they’re lining up an interim. As long as it’s not Brendan Rogers I’m happy.

5.) 09 Nov 2021 08:18:05

The club really need to

Can you imagine the players coming back to Ole and his coaches? It will very quickly start to become damaging to the club.

6.) 09 Nov 2021 11:31:57
On what basis is Poch clearly the next choice? It could be any of 3-4 managers currently unavailable.

7.) 09 Nov 2021 16:13:37
Pointless discussing right now. Looks to me like we're literally going to stick our head in the sand and do nothing. This is the lowest I've felt in years as a fan of this club. Even under Jose at least we knew theyd make a change when things went sour. This is disgusting, we've got guys like Ronaldo and Varane in the squad and are going to do nothing to resolve the problems.

8.) 10 Nov 2021 10:36:21
Looks like Pogba has played his last game for us anyway. Injured until January, at which point he’ll sign a pre-contract with someone else.

{Ed077's Note - he can still play for Man Utd even after signing a pre-contract agreement in January.

9.) 10 Nov 2021 10:48:57
Pogba can't go quickly enough for me . He is the laziest, most over rated player we have ever had.
An idea -why don't we swap Ole for Erik ten Hag. At least we would have a chance then and Danny Van de Beek might get a game along with Lingard.
Also bring back Tuanzebe from his loan spell. He is far too good to be on loan along with Garner and Chong. None of these could be any worse than we have at the moment.

10.) 12 Nov 2021 01:08:23
Chong was showing some worth at Birmingham before his injury. Got motm a few times and played great as wing back and even more so in the centre of the park. Definitely knows how to track back and put in the effort.



08 Aug 2021 14:43:10
Axel signs a new contract till 2023 and leaves on loan to villa.


1.) 08 Aug 2021 15:09:56
A good move for all parties involved. Hopefully we can also find decent loan moves for Pellestri, Williams and Garner and sort out some permanent deals for Dalot, Jones, Andreas, James and Lingard. Then there’ll just be the Pogba saga to deal with.

2.) 08 Aug 2021 15:12:07
Good move for him. He isn't going to get any minutes here this season with Maguire, Varane and Lindelof ahead of him. He needs game time to progress.

3.) 08 Aug 2021 15:24:06
Red, Pellestri has already gone to Alaves.

4.) 08 Aug 2021 15:42:22
Axel will be 24 when he returns from the loan. His only way of progressing now is away from United, permanently.
Garner will either go back to Forest or I can see a few going to Derby on loan to help out Rooney.

5.) 08 Aug 2021 23:37:54
He will be nearly 25. Sames as mctom these guys are coming into their prime years young axel is going to be like that young lingard lad.

6.) 09 Aug 2021 08:14:59
Is he going to get enough game time at villa to make the loan worthwhile?

7.) 09 Aug 2021 12:31:32
Well if he doesn’t what does that tell you about his ability?

8.) 09 Aug 2021 13:07:30
He was on loan at Villa in 18/ 19 and played over 30 games for them, so hopefully he can pick up where he left off for them. His biggest issue is his injury record which would give big Phil a run for his money.

9.) 09 Aug 2021 18:12:57
Tuanzebe was available for most of the season, December onwards. Ole just didn't play him.

10.) 09 Aug 2021 18:53:34
That's right MH he continued to play an injured lingard who was having back pertinent and same with rashford he continued to play when unfit.

11.) 10 Aug 2021 04:27:01
Eric79, the PSG game shows that he has the ability but unfortunately injuries haven't helped his progress as much as everyone expected.

I agree with the others that much like a few other players he was also overlooked by Ole even when there was an opportunity to play him.

12.) 10 Aug 2021 07:42:35
I see your point LPU, but that game was over 2 years ago and frankly he’s done nothing since but be injured.

13.) 10 Aug 2021 09:18:37

It was not 2 yrs ago, around 10 months ago he returned from a 10 month injury layoff to play against PSG and delivered a very good performance.

14.) 10 Aug 2021 19:55:46
Yeah my bad - still doesn’t change the fact he’s had 2 good games for the club in his career.

15.) 11 Aug 2021 03:23:24
Yes, he came back, played well, then back on injured list again. Everyone wants these fringe players to play well, to make the difference. But reality is that they need to take their chances.

Axel needs games at a good level. Villa loan is good for him. See what he can do, maybe he has found his level, maybe he shows what we are missing.

16.) 11 Aug 2021 04:19:20
Eric79, injuries have certainly hampered any progress he would have made.

A loan move would suit all concerned and would help us move him on permanently if he does well.



25 Jul 2021 18:31:46
Spare a thought for Wayne Rooney at Derby. He only has 9 and players at the club. No centre backs. Due to a transfer embargo can only sign free transfers and loans.
Its a dire situation and a real baptism of fire as a manager.
He is sticking with them it looks a very difficult task to keep them up. Maybe with his connections he will get some good loans and free transfers in quickly.


1.) 25 Jul 2021 20:36:41
Good option for some of our under23s. Give him Pereira for the year if we can't sell him.

2.) 25 Jul 2021 21:02:16
I'm sure he'll be asking for a few of our youth on loan but I fear for derby and think it would be a bad experience for our young lads.

3.) 26 Jul 2021 15:18:19
I agree on the fear of RedWhiskey.
And isn't there a limit on how many players can be loaned from on e club to another?

Not sure United can save them, if wanted.

4.) 26 Jul 2021 15:42:04
He also seems unable to stay out of trouble. Allowing himself to get into the situation he did is a poor show from anyone, let alone a Manager.

5.) 28 Jul 2021 10:05:35
Didn’t think Rooney was into youth?




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17 Dec 2021 08:18:55
Ed002 can I ask your opinion on the clubs strategy and plans?
Do you think the appointment and future proposed consultancy role for RR is moving the club in the right direction?
What positives do you see and what negatives do you forsee with this new approach?


{Ed002's Note - It is unclear what they are planning. Consultancy roles are fine as long as they are to do no more than advise. The structure needs a complete reboot.}

1.) 17 Dec 2021 11:46:34
Ralf is no mug ken but ultimately it will be down to whether the hierarchy want to change. Whatever Ralf’s future role is, we can hope he points out the structural issues and makes some recommendations. Even if he does that, it remains to be seen if any notice will be taken.

2.) 17 Dec 2021 11:57:06
I think Ralf is in a phenomenal position. If the club get back on track and have success then it will be attributed to Ralf's input. However, if the club continue to struggle then Ralf is only a consultant and his ideas weren't listened to.

Either way he can come out of this with his bank account swollen and with little to no damage to his reputation.

3.) 17 Dec 2021 12:02:50
There seem to be only three managers who keep cropping up as potential successors in summer - Rogers, Pochetino and Ten Hag. I can't see the point in bringing Rangnick in, completely turning the mindset round and implementing this new style, for only a few months.

Players will be bought and sold who fit within this style. What's the point if Rogers or Poch are coming in, who play a completely different way? I can see it if Ten Hag is the target, and he seems open to it.

4.) 17 Dec 2021 13:58:55
Ed002 thank you. There is a distinct lack of clarity for us supporters for sure.
I'm hoping there is a lot more clarity internally at the club with their strategy.
Happy Christmas to you sir.



17 Dec 2021 08:09:32
Should the league cancel fixtures until the new year?
I'm interested in peoples opinions particularly UK residents.
Is it not in the public interest to minimise close contacts in large numbers?


1.) 17 Dec 2021 09:32:53
Me and the other 4 members of my family are all at home with the new variant, we're in a position where none of us are old or vulnerable so we're lucky, I'm unvaccinated, my wife is double jabbed and our symptoms are the same, it's like a mild cold, you wouldn't know my kids had it, they have snotty noses.
Now this is just my opinion but without telling us I think they are waiting to see how many hospitalisations this causes as the signs from South Africa and here so far look positive from that point of view, surely if it is mild we can't keep cancelling and shutting everything down and I'm hoping this is what they are waiting to see, with the amount of cases surely they would of brought more restrictions in by now?
Anyway just my opinion, like Ken would like to hear others opinions.

2.) 17 Dec 2021 09:54:33
I think they should, whether they will remains to be seen. There's a lot of money riding on the EPL, Espinoza the Christmas fixture list where they tend to get peak viewing figures.

Maybe they could close stadiums so as to allow the continuation of games and get the large TV viewing figures. That way they are limiting large groups of people gathering and the potential bad publicity that would come from that.

Personally I think given the number of players who are catching it. The potential for unfair advantages/ disadvantages caused by either some teams playing their games and others not and fixture pile up. Or teams being forced to field teams half full with academy players.

It brings the sporting integrity of the competition into question.

Best to just cancel all games until the new year then run the season an extra couple of weeks later into the summer. There is no international football next summer to worry about, so there really is no reason not to just have a break now and have the season run two weeks later.

3.) 17 Dec 2021 11:05:06
I think more resrictions will kick in soon. I've had 3 jabs and would expect to get a heavy cold/ flu symptoms judging by reports if i get the C.V. But when you read Utd only had 7 fist team players available then it seems inevitable they may have to close it down til January.

Each individual has their own views which I respect -one of my sisters hasn't had the vax at all - but I say just go on and get your 3 shots, if for no other reason than you could clog up the hospitals and folks waiting on Cancer treatment / diagnosis are terribly affected by that.

4.) 17 Dec 2021 11:50:59
I think it will have to close. Too many players are testing positive and the Government is getting itself in a mess over restrictions. They don’t want a lockdown as that might mean more furlough payments and a hit to the economy, but the variant is spreading so fast it might hit the vulnerable. It will also mean a lot of unvaccinated people will end up in hospital putting immense pressure on the NHS. The majority of people in hospital have not been vaccinated and due to the significant number who have refused to be jabbed, that could cripple the NHS given the rapid spread.

Me, my wife and kids are are triple or double vacced, and we are not particularly worried about catching it, but we have some elderly parents coming for Christmas and the worry is that we pass it on and it causes serious harm or even death.

5.) 17 Dec 2021 12:54:11
Yeah AjH I lost my mum last year and could not get in to be with her in hospital due to C.V.
That's the issue the fear of passing it in to more vulnerable is the what sobbed is all to be careful.
Good look with your Christmas plans. Enjoy.

6.) 17 Dec 2021 12:07:01
I'm pretty sure things will be getting worse in the coming weeks before they improve. I can't believe that the hospitality sector is still in full swing, and xmas/ NYE parties are still being booked. Omicron is rife.
As for the footy schedule, we coped last season with the chaotic replanning, although admittedly the end of the season was extended. If it gets too nuts again I guess that's what they'll do?
Could be some benefits - Spurs for example can sneak into the top four with the extra 'break' by winning their three games in hand. Also the January window - say Utd for example bought in a player who really makes an impact and we go on a run - we'll have more games with those. Ok, clutching at straws there.

7.) 17 Dec 2021 19:12:15
No, games should continue but fans should no longer be at matches.

8.) 18 Dec 2021 09:51:19
Unfortunately the severity of the Omicron variant compared to vax protection won't been known till the first week of January at the earliest in the UK.

On the plus side reports in South Africa, where this orginated say that they haven't seen a rise in hospitalizations, and their vax rate is only at 31%. If our vax rate is at 71% I wouldn't expect to see a sudden deluge of hospital visits from Omicron.

9.) 18 Dec 2021 09:59:35
Honestly I would as it’s in the interest of player, staff and fan safety. Also their families. Currently only 2 of the 6/ 7 games are going ahead on Saturday so why not clean the slate have the 9/ 10 day break and go again. Let’s face it the only reason it won’t happen is because the tv companies will push for games, they’ve paid and advertised games over the holiday period and will want their monies worth. Half of the teams are already missing 1/ 2 games and surely it would be easier to arrange 2/ 3 rounds for everyone than the logistical nightmare of some teams being up to date. That’s just me, I’m sure there’s others who have a different view.



13 Dec 2021 15:43:20
Do we know which players and staff tested positive for C.V.?
Were they vaccinated I wonder?
This is going to play havoc with teams and fixtures all winter I think.


1.) 13 Dec 2021 16:25:34
It certainly has'nt helped that so many of the genius footballers have decided they don't need a vax, i see Kimmich of Bayern is out until next year due to a lung problem brought on by C.V., now he's saying he's sorry he did'nt get vaccinated .

Millions of people in the poorest countries in the world who can't even get a vax and these multi millionaire clowns are turning them down.

2.) 13 Dec 2021 17:22:01
Natural selection at work.

3.) 13 Dec 2021 17:35:44
Initially it wasn't any of the players who played in the Norwich game. So it's likely the players who played against Young Boys. However, I don't know if anyone else has since had a positive test result.

4.) 13 Dec 2021 17:46:00
What about the 100+ fifa registered players who have died this year from cardiac arrest? I think every year before this it has been in single digits.
Coincidence? I think not.

5.) 13 Dec 2021 17:59:46
Natural? Economic? What do you mean Manc?

6.) 13 Dec 2021 18:08:05
Vir4gil4, I think it's very dangerous to take two separate events and try and find causality.

Maybe there is a link, or maybe the increase is caused by "Long-C.V.", for which millions of pounds of research grant money is being made available to study its impacts. Or possibly it could be linked to the so called "caffeine" doping which is proven to put pressure on the heart if done for too long.

Or maybe it has another cause. I think to suggest it is linked to a vax with absolutely no evidence just a "hunch" is a frankly dangerous and stupid thing to do.

7.) 13 Dec 2021 18:26:43
There is zero link at present between deaths due to heart attacks and vaxs. So, until there is a clear scientific link, it'll be wise not to scare monger anyone into not having a jab.
Considering how many billions have had the vax all over the world, we are not hearing a lot of people dying from its effects, but what we do know, is millions have died of C.V.

8.) 13 Dec 2021 18:29:44
Or maybe there is a new performance enhancing drug that doesn't show up on the current tests that as a side effect puts your heart under excess strain.

There could literally be many many different things that could cause this apparent spike in cases of cardiac arrest.

Maybe there isn't even a spike, just more awareness as there has been a couple more high profile cases. I don't know as I haven't looked at the data.

Yet to draw a conclusion with literally no evidence is dangerous.

9.) 13 Dec 2021 18:49:33
I’m vaccinated, but at the end of the day the players are human beings, it’s up to them whether they take it or not. By all accounts it wouldn’t have stopped positive tests.

10.) 13 Dec 2021 19:03:41
I'm only replying to this because I don't think its right to vilify healthy young sports people who refuse to take a vax that in all honesty has been rushed no matter how many times the experts will tell us its safe
The chances of a sports person dying from C.V. is slim to none so they have every right not to take a vax that only offers some protection against death and severe sickness.

11.) 13 Dec 2021 18:39:13
Good post shappy.

12.) 13 Dec 2021 19:46:27
Japan openly state there are cardiovascular issues that can occur as a result of taking the vax. There’s one example. Either way, people have a CHOICE. To call people clowns and mock them for their own choice is wrong. They are young, fit and healthy.

13.) 13 Dec 2021 20:15:43
Original poster, it doesn't matter whether they were vaxed or not, or even boosted, u can still catch it or spread it. Its peoples personal choice if they choose to be or not, the vax is to protect you and not stop from spreading it.

14.) 13 Dec 2021 20:28:16
Yes Vir4gil4, everybody should be free to more easily spread the C.V. and unnecessarily take up medical resources. Even footballers.

15.) 13 Dec 2021 20:31:03
Myocarditis, inflammation of the heart is a side effect of the C.V. vax in low circumstances. That's about as official as it gets although I don't think any of the "experts" / "scientists" or the pharmaceutical companies are that bothered about the exact numbers.

16.) 13 Dec 2021 22:04:10
I'm asking a simple question, were they vaccinated. I didn't judge anybody nor did I suggest they are not free to choose.

17.) 13 Dec 2021 22:46:25
Ken, I don't think anyone knows if they were vaccinated. The data probably isn't collected as it's probably not important to the media, "scientists" and certainly not the pharmaceutical companies. And if anything happens to you within a 14 day period of having the vax including death, then that is not as a result of the vax as the person is considered unvaccinated.

18.) 13 Dec 2021 22:57:42
There is plenty of evidence that people are experiencing myocarditis from the vaxs it is easy to find if you do a tiny bit of research.
As another poster said japan has now said that myocarditis has to be listed as a possible side effect.
I do not blame any professional athlete who doesn't take this vax and risk losing their career that they have worked their whole life for.

19.) 14 Dec 2021 00:51:06

Tiny bit of research shows that vax’s are stopping people from dying from the deadly disease and C.V. spreading across the world, the odd side effect of a vax is worth the pro’s of the vax. I’ll believe the top scientists over some random on a forum who’s never posted before thanks.

20.) 14 Dec 2021 01:04:22
The New England Journal of Medicine conducted two studies on 5m and 2.5m and found mild effects in men, roughly speaking 4 in 100,000 develop mild symptoms of myocarditis. For women, it is 1 in 100,000. Of the 7.5m in the study, one person sadly died. So, the signs are good at present, but obviously, studies will continue to be carried out.

21.) 14 Dec 2021 02:00:45
In the US studies have been done showing specifically young men under 30 at much much higher risk of myocarditis from vax than any other group. It’s not a nothing. And it’s in an extremely low risk group.

It’s from people who recommend vaxs, and they also say that if you have any comorbidities the risk of C.V. outweighs the risk of the vax even for young men. But if you’re under 30, male, and in healthy shape with no underlying sickness the benchmark for myocarditis is significantly higher than the risk of C.V. hospitalization.

Myocarditis can be mild and isn’t usually a big deal, but it’s silly to stick your head in the sand and say that a player couldn’t have an acute bout of myocarditis while stressing the heart in one of the most taxing sports on earth on heart and lungs and then have a heart attack. For your average person who never does much strenuous exercise they’d likely never notice. Myocarditis can be way more dangerous for people who do extremely strenuous exercise. At the very least given there are basically 0 C.V. deaths among fifa athletes and a lot of heart issues going on, shouldn’t the players get to choose?

22.) 14 Dec 2021 02:04:11
Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist either. Norway’s government even acknowledged it and suggest men under 30 use a different vax as they found a much higher incidence with Moderna.

23.) 14 Dec 2021 06:44:19
My mate didn't want a vax but in the end got one because he wanted to go abroad somewhere an thought it an easier option.
Now it's private doctor have said .
Yes said.
That the vax used has cause him to have a missing heartbeat.
He is rightly furious. Fit lad ex rugby.
So evidence is there. But as always its selected information that the media use.
They have many doctors and journalists who are soley on TV as a government spokesman. or puppet .

24.) 14 Dec 2021 09:20:13
All the above is without the mention of blood clots too. Which have occurred. These are facts. C.V. has a 99.9 percent recovery rate. Same as flu. It's easy to just select things from the media to suit an argument. If the vax works then why is a booster needed which doesn't give you 100% coverage to something that has a 99.9% survival rate. Why do you have to isolate if you've been vaccinated and test positive?

25.) 14 Dec 2021 09:58:42

What are you doing if not selecting things from media / social media to suit your argument?

26.) 14 Dec 2021 10:04:49
Less hospitalisations and deaths. I wonder why?

27.) 14 Dec 2021 10:39:24
Bilko, I don't understand your point. The rest of the info that is available is out there. I've not got enough time to collate everything quoted by the media and scientists, who etc in 1 post. What I've stated are facts/ info which is mainstream. What's the problem? Let me know what part of my post is incorrect.

28.) 14 Dec 2021 11:01:03
I'd never tell someone what they should or shouldn't put into their bodies. That has to be their choice.

My argument is with making dangerous connections between one thing and another with nothing but circumstantial evidence and guesses and hunches from people with absolutely no medical training.

I think trying to link the vax to footballers having cardiac arrest is dangerous as it creates doubt in the mind of the general public without ANY real evidence.

Footballers rightly or wrongly are role models. If someone makes the decision to not have the vax because of a fear that it's causing heart attacks in footballers, then they go on to catch the sickness and then die from it, then those who have perpetuated that narrative are partially responsible for that persons death due to impacting their decision making.

That's why it's dangerous.

I was on a jury over 10 years ago on a case of sexual abuse of a minor. The guy was guilty, but we had two young women on the jury who were indecisive. One juror took it upon himself to come up with wild and often outlandish possible excuses to argue that the guy was potentially innocent. The head juror kept telling him that he had to stop and could only discuss what we heard and saw in the court as that is what we had to do. Yet this man's comments effected the confidence of the two young women to a point where they didn't feel they could find him guilty. As such we were a hung jury and that man walked free for another 6 months while awaiting a retrial. Which no doubt caused a lot of distress to an abused 13 year old girl, while also cost the tax payer thousands in additional legal fees to retry him. He was found guilty on all charges in the retrial.

Making wild speculations with little to no evidence from a position of no authority on the matter is dangerous especially in terms of health.

It's consequences can cost lives.

29.) 14 Dec 2021 11:14:34
Magicsy. Not sure why y your friend is furious. It was his choice to get the vax.
He felt it was worth the rush as his holiday was that important to him.
He had the choice not to travel. He decided to get the vax so he accepted the risk.

30.) 14 Dec 2021 11:14:40

Answer me this, why do you think that scientists, WHO AND Governments etc have looked at C.V. and decided we need vaxs / boosters etc. ?

31.) 14 Dec 2021 11:47:08
Bilko, the whole C.V.-Vax conspiracy theories make me laugh. They fall down at the very first cross examination.

All conspiracy theories rely on one simple thing, that someone somewhere is gaining something from it, be that money or power.

Yet no one can adequately say who is gaining anything from the vaxs, the lockdowns and all the other measures.

Most people are out of pocket, either through loss of earnings or due to large expenditure to comply with new regulations.

Governments have seen their support plummet, and their competency questioned.

Unprecedented open sourcing off C.V. data and legislation around it means that no one pharmaceutical company can hold a monopoly over the vax.

I mean if there is a conspiracy over C.V. then by who and for what purpose?

The reality is anyone with any real credibility backs the current medical measures. They all say there is of course a risk as with anything. There is a risk you eat a manufactured food item that happens to be contaminated with nuts and you die from an allergic reaction. Doesn't mean you shouldn't eat. We of course don't know the long term effects, but it is based on things that we know the long term effects of. We don't know how it might interact with certain medications or other conditions a person may have.

So of course there are risks, but the reality is we should be weighing up our choices and decisions based on actual evidence not hearsay or speculation.

While linking two coincidental things together and suggesting causality is frankly dangerous and moronic.

32.) 14 Dec 2021 12:12:29
No one is gaining anything from this? Wow Shappy ??????.

33.) 14 Dec 2021 12:42:28
Record profits for pharmaceutical companies who are completely exempt from any side effects, that's who gains. Why can't they back it up with compensation if they are getting forced on you by governments through new legislation? WHO is also part funded by big pharmaceutical companies. One of the main policy makers in the EU for vaxs is married to one of the chief execs at one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies and you ask who is to gain? . Do your research apart from BBC and sky news as there is a whole wealth of facts and information out there. To promote the vax without it being fully studied long term which if it worked, wouldn't need a booster with another booster to come, and so on and not be fully protected is dangerous. Is it even licensed yet? I know the answer.

34.) 14 Dec 2021 12:58:05
Hearsay, speculation, wild accusations. There is nothing in any of my posts which is incorrect. I have no authority and anyone else should have the choice to take the vax without restrictions in place. How many people died from C.V. in this country yesterday? Someone please give the correct answer. Not the news figures which is for people who died yesterday who have tested positive within 28 days as that includes death from anything.

35.) 14 Dec 2021 12:58:53
Amz, rather than laugh try and enlighten me. Who is gaining? What evidence have you got for them gaining anything? Followed by what evidence you might have for them being able to influence things to where we are now.

36.) 14 Dec 2021 13:32:38
Who's laughing shappy? I'm not. You've not backed up your arguments with anything. There are newspaper articles in this country relating to governments including ours receiving huge sums of money from pharmaceutical companies. Governments who can sway opinion. This news isn't on some sort of deep web conspiracy page it's out there. If the government and people who worked there were so worried then why the Christmas parties without restrictions? At least 7 apparently and as many as 60 odd people? Whilst the rest of us were on tight lockdown unable to attend funerals for some (who also didn't die of C.V.) whilst they are doing that. Don't find it funny at all. You are naive to think that governments don't get funding and influence from elsewhere and ministers don't hold directorships with companies so that companies can lobby policy. It's how the world works unfortunately.

37.) 14 Dec 2021 14:26:46
Did the pharmaceutical companies not make record profits in the years before C.V.?

They've pretty much made record profits year on year. They develop new drugs all the time, they cut down costs and increase profit margins. That is capitalism at work, most sustainable industries are the same unless hit by a large influencing factor.

But to suggest they are orchestrating the whole scenario means you have to believe that all these competing companies are working together and have influence over every country, all universities, all laboratories, all health organisations in order to pull a global C.V. and the response to it off.

There is a huge difference between being a independent thinker and searching for "evidence" to support an already held theory.

Ultimately if you are predisposed to go looking for something to prove your theory you will often find something as there is a tendency to frame things in a certain way to make the evidence fit the narrative. To over inflate the importance of certain things while disregarding others.

I can assure you if you are basing a decision around vaxs based on the weight of ALL of the evidence then you will find that they work and they are beneficial in the vast majority of cases.

In order to come to the conclusion that they are dangerous and unsafe requires disregarding large swathes of evidence often because it's from "mainstream" or because there is a paranoia that the "establishment" is against you. While at the same time over inflating smaller less sound evidence from less trustworthy sources.

There are some simples rules, for discovering whether what you are reading is bull.

First, they come to definite conclusions with no drawbacks or caveats. All science has flaws and aspects that cannot be accounted for, therefore no paper can draw 100% conclusions. If they don't say what the drawbacks or potential flaws are in their work then they are attempting to lead you down the garden path.

Science works by attempting to disprove a theory not attempting to prove it.

Secondly, where has this paper been published and by who. Look at the citations for the lead authors, look at what other scientists are saying about their work. Is the journal that it is published in a reputable peer reviewed journal? If not then no one is cross checking their work and making sure it stands up to scientific rigour. Are their results "normalised" or not, what process was used to normalise them, have they done their statistical analysis correctly. If not then their findings are not statistically significant and should be discounted.

One of the biggest issues is good quality scientific journals are behind pay walls. However, it is having to pay for that research which is a large part of how that research was funded. Anything published initially on open source free at point of use needs to be questioned. It doesn't mean that it's not accurate, but you should ask who had funded it and why they are distributing expensively assembled knowledge for free. Normally it's because that information being out there generates them more money than selling it in the first place. A prime example is some of the psuedo science organisations set up by the tabacco industry to "prove" smoking was good for you. Or at least attempt to muddy the water or cause confusion over the generally proven view that it's damaging to your health. They spent billions on "research" then gave away the findings for free as it potentially made them more money.

This is why making sure the source that the paper was published in is peer reviewed and of strong scientific rigour.

If you're "evidence" comes from a YouTube video, a blog or some comments section then it is not sound evidence. Unless it's peer reviewed and other scientists have said that it is reputable then it simply isn't.

38.) 14 Dec 2021 15:51:33
271 million C.V. cases, 5.3 million deaths that's not 99.9 percent survival rate.

39.) 14 Dec 2021 16:49:57

That doesn’t fit the narrative though.

Let’s be honest you can’t be anti C.V. restrictions and anti vax, you’re either one or the other. The facts are there that you are more likely to die from C.V. than you are from the vax, so if you take the vax you’re talking on the smaller risk than not taking the vax. Some people will die after taking the vax, a lot will die from C.V., it’s as simple as that really.

40.) 14 Dec 2021 17:41:02
Gds I just follow the maths, what percentage of people hospitalised or dead through c. v are vaccinated compared to unvaccinated .
The unvaccinated are a smaller percentage of people who are massively over represented in hospitalisations and deaths .
I don't personally have a problem with anyone not wishing to have a vax but if they want to check the maths out it duznt look a great decision.

41.) 14 Dec 2021 19:46:51
I’m not saying it’s orchestrated Shappy. I’m laughing because you’ve openly stated no-one is gaining anything from this. How you can think that is laughable. You clearly keep up to date on this stuff so surely you would know who is benefitting? One example is our very own Matt Hancock handing out multi million £ contracts to his pals. Pharmaceutical companies are making billions from this. Just because they made billions before, you cannot turn around and say they are not gaining from this. Of course they are! You have a different view which is fine.

Under the freedom of information act, many people requested the confirmed numbers of people buried and cremated in major cities in the UK. The returned data clearly showed that actually there are just as many people dying prior to the C.V. if not less in some instances. This is widely available. Are we in a C.V. then? Have we not had issues with the our NHS through previous winters? Everyone will find articles and stats to match their own opinion. The problem here is there is enough information out there to question what is actually happening. That doesn’t make people clowns as one poster suggested. People are within their right to question what is going on because in many instances, things do not add up.

42.) 14 Dec 2021 21:09:05

The scientists and experts have all the information and if you go to your GP they will tell you the vax is the right thing to do. I’ll believe them rather than ‘question’ things. If you have an C.V. and the doctor gives you antibiotics do you go on YouTube and find a video that says you might die if you take them or do you just accept they are the correct drugs? Do you ask if you can check a plane before you fly or do you trust that the people who know how to make planes made it right?

Slate, if you’re following the maths you’ll realise the ratio of unvaccinated people in hospital to the ratio of people unvaccinated proves that you are much better off if you have the vax. If you don’t realise that you’re reading the maths incorrectly.

43.) 14 Dec 2021 21:34:15
Your preaching to the choir gds, if you doubt the science then believe the maths.

44.) 14 Dec 2021 23:12:16
The maths does not back up what the science says in many instances. Simple. Each to their own.

45.) 14 Dec 2021 23:53:45
Pfizer doubled their revenue off CV. 41b gained last year. Don't be ridiculous by stating nobody is gaining off this. It is 10000% in Pfizers best interest to continue "studies" that they do themselves, that indicate endless boosters. That's easy.

Myocarditis is a proven side effect of the vax that disproportionately affects young men. You can go read about it. It's been acknowledged by governments world wide. Myocarditis - heart inflammation, players who put excess strain on their heart through playing, increased cardiac events, is an OBVIOUS connection that 100% needs to be looked into not swept under the rug because you don't like it.

46.) 14 Dec 2021 23:58:45
I think I have an iffy sister, she's the matron on C.V. wards of the largest hospital in a large city, prior to omicron she told me figures of admissions reached as high as 97 percent for c. v among no vax or only one dose .
If she was being bunged by Hancock, Javid, Pfizer, moderna or anyone else she didn't give ne anything.

47.) 16 Dec 2021 00:54:10

Sorry pal, misunderstood your post :)

Your sister sounds dodgy, telling lies like that.



05 Dec 2021 21:07:14
Really looking forward to see this style develop over the coming months.
5 or 6 of our key players are going to have to adapt and change their ways considerably or they will get left behind.
Rashford is a player who should relish this tactic. He has all the physical attributes but needs to be open to being coached.
Comfort zone no longer exists .
It will take time but its a journey I'm looking forward to.


1.) 05 Dec 2021 21:27:42
It'll be interesting to see how Ralf develops this group of players and the tactics he uses to get the best out of them.

Today he said he intentionally didn't change too much due in part to the lack of time to train he had. He just tweaked the shape and altered the tactics to press more and aim to win the ball higher, and played the back four further forward.

That shows a great deal of tactical acumen and a clear understanding of the limitations and ability to adapt.

I think that suggests it will be more of a drip feed, evolution from what we have done towards what he would like due to the limited amount of time he has to train the players that way.

So far I'm over the moon with what I have seen and heard from Ralf. I think one of the biggest changes for fans might be that the interviews and press conferences will be a must watch and something we can feel like we actually get something from.

A lot of managers rarely say anything worth listening to during interviews. They are guarded, not
wanting to discuss their tactics in case the opposition might be listening, and they often trot out the same old lines.

Of course the reality is that all sides have dozen of people scouting and analysing the opposition so there is probably very little to nothing you could say in an interview that will tell them something they aren't already aware of.

With Ralf's honesty and openness in speaking with the media it actually makes fans feel closer to the squad as they actually get to look through the looking glass and gain some real understanding about their team.

2.) 05 Dec 2021 23:22:35
Agree Ken. Rashford is an enigma. He could be devastating on his day, but he's not got a football brain. Whether a good coach like Rangnick can help him develop, remains to be seen.
First half, we were superb.

3.) 06 Dec 2021 00:29:26
I think the 4222 with the front four interchanging could work very well. It does give fluidity to overload the wings when in possession and allow bruno or even sancho to drop into a midfield three when out of possession.

4.) 05 Dec 2021 21:29:26
Rashford needs to up his game. He often runs with his head down.

5.) 06 Dec 2021 09:02:44
Apparently we won the ball back 12 times in Palace's half, something we haven't managed since the Fergie era. Lots more movement off the ball as well, making themselves available for a pass rather than being static. Positive start.

6.) 06 Dec 2021 10:08:35
I like the fact that he brought on Elanga having obviously seen something in him in one training session, and brought him on at 0-0 with us still chasing the game as opposed to bringing a young player on when you’re three up and the game is over .
Ole liked to talk the talk about giving young players a chance but it was more of a PR exercise as he mostly always played it safe with team selections.

7.) 06 Dec 2021 14:05:44
Well the pressing was fantastic and I like the 4-2-2-2 thing allowing for two centre-forwards. If Ronaldo starts the other one will have to do a lot as Rashford did.
Not sure if Dalot in particular will retain his place but no qualms over either Telles or Dalot staying in the side.
Nice to see Elanga involved although it was only because Lingard was injured, it would have been the case either way.
Interesting that we've invested in a handful of exciting young wingers only to look like we're using a different shape for now.

8.) 06 Dec 2021 15:17:04
I think that the 4222 type structure suits our squad well.

We have Ronaldo, Rashford, Cavani and Greenwood as four top class or potentially top class options fighting it out for the two spots up top.

We have Sancho, Bruno, Donny, Lingard, Amad and Elanga fighting it out for the inside No.10 positions. Pogba could slot into one of these positions when he's back fit, although with Rangnick he isn't likely to give uncommitted players much time in the team.

We then have McTominay, Matic, Fred and possibly Donny fighting it out for a role in the double pivot. With Garner likely to be able to challenge for a role here long term.

While if Dalot can keep his form up, and AWB can develop better getting forward then we have two very good RB options. While Shaw and Telles can provide good options at LB.

Long term we'll need another CDM to replace Matic and add competition and quality to Fred, McTominay and Garner.

Depending on how the full backs do we might need either a LB or a RB.

Varane, Maguire, Lindelof and Mengi at CB could see competition/ upgrade added, but it shouldn't be vital. Injuries are the issue and why Bailly, Jones and Tuanzebe won't likely have a future at the club.

With Sancho, Bruno and Donny we have three top options for that No.10 role. Although Donny will have to prove himself. While Amad, Pellistri, Elanga, Shoretire and Hannibal are potentially future options going forward. Only if Donny doesn't prove himself in this role do I see any need for a quality first choice back up to bridge the gap with the kids.

Up front is an odd one. Greenwood should be a future star, while Rashford if he can recover his form will be a great asset. Ronaldo and Cavani don't have long term futures. Cavani will be gone in the summer, with Ronaldo possibly the summer after. It might be difficult though to sign someone who would know they will be fighting it out probably with Rashford and Greenwood for one spot alongside Ronaldo most weeks. Hardly an enticing option for most strikers. It might be that someone like Elanga deputises as the fourth choice ST next season, or one of Hugill or McNeil step up from the academy.

9.) 06 Dec 2021 18:45:21
Shappy a new right back will come in Jan…. AWB won’t get any better, he is poor full stop, he suits this system even less then before, he will look even worse in it.

10.) 06 Dec 2021 20:16:23
Maybe Jens, or maybe with a top class coach he might be able to learn adapt and develop.

11.) 06 Dec 2021 20:35:02
I really don’t think AWB as got it in him, don’t matter who the coach is.
He is ok making last ditch tackles but there only because he caught out of position so often ball watching, he would not get in any potential top 4 side, he just not good enough.
I would not call Telles or Dalot great but they are far better moving forward, controlling and passing a ball, and keeping game flowing not dithering taking 3 touches and turning back when 1 does and forward, so that just shows how bad AWB is, you even said Shaw was one of best left backs in world, I would not even start him in my opinion, too inconsistent and so predictable.

12.) 06 Dec 2021 20:48:29
Jens, I guess we'll see. AWB will have 6 months working with Ralf and his team. If he isn't showing signs by the end of the season then he probably won't. But I think he isn't as bad as many think. He played most of his youth football as a winger, so he knows what to do, let's see if he can show it on the pitch under a different manager.

13.) 06 Dec 2021 20:57:19
Played as a winger but look at the level, he can hardly cross a ball, he needs 2-3 touches to get ball under control, and always comes to a standstill.
Plus imo I would also have to doubt his intelligence to take onboard, but like you say we will see after 6 months, if he here that long because don’t he have a little court date to contend with this month for no little matters either! Which again brings his intelligence into play!

14.) 07 Dec 2021 00:49:11
I think give everyone a fresh start, AWB as much as anyone else, easy to slag him off before he’s played a game under the new manager. Some will absolutely love this new style and some will fall away, AWB seems like a player who needs coaching to me, an athlete with no football brain, take the thinking part away and tell him his job and I think he’s capable of doing it, let’s see, I’m giving every player a fresh start (except pogba, he’s had enough chances)

15.) 07 Dec 2021 18:20:04
Oh but GDS. you now condone “take the thinking away from him and tell him his job and he’ll be capable” two things wrong there, Jose got slaughtered for saying exactly same about Shaw as you now say about AWB

2nd we not got much time to try get 4th position so you want to continue trying with a player who actually gone backwards in last 3 years that maybe he will turn into some marauding full back within the next month! That’s a tad optimistic don’t you think, time is against starting over I’m afraid unless your willing just to write this season of in December, in which case we might as well stayed with carrick.

16.) 07 Dec 2021 18:26:22
Rashford for me goes down too easily and very one dimensional. He wants to run at players but most of the time just runs into giving the ball away. He has been pretty underwhelming for over a year now. Greenwood much better finisher but my god so bad at defending or putting foot in.



02 Dec 2021 22:33:13
Goodbye and thank you Michael Carrick.
Top player, best of luck to you.


1.) 02 Dec 2021 23:21:48
Yep great player. Was reading the rumours page and god we have some miserable people here lol shahram here btw.

2.) 02 Dec 2021 23:29:22
Have we got a banner ready?

3.) 02 Dec 2021 23:39:48
Good to see you back Shahram.

4.) 03 Dec 2021 06:32:06
Hey shahram, where have you been, did you get banned?

5.) 03 Dec 2021 06:46:29
No mate been busy with life. Been reading the page and bored watching our football. I thought we played well yesterday and look at the positives of a performance. Good win against a side that has been in good form.

6.) 03 Dec 2021 14:36:52
Welcome bk shahram.




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11 Dec 2021 11:31:45
Likely asking price and his obscene wages will put off plenty of suitors.

He is not exactly a safe bet for any club.




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26 Nov 2021 09:18:54
Great Post CR92.




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22 Nov 2021 07:26:40
Mumbles ole was always going to fail it was very obvious he just didn't have what it takes.
People were told but had their head in the sand. Thankfully the nightmare is behind us.




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04 Nov 2021 20:27:03
Ed002 cheers. Nobody in particular but he does have a growing clientele so I was curious.
I'm certainly not thinking Haaland as I've said in here many times that imo we have no chance of signing him. Our amateurs have made a right pigs ear of the pogba situation he should have been sold when Jose wanted rid along with martial but we are where we are I'm afraid.
Thanks for the reply.




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04 Nov 2021 18:51:52
With united refusing to deal with mino dies that count it any other of his players joining or is it just with pogba that they won't deal with him on?
I'm assuming things can change or is that a daft assumption on my part?


{Ed002's Note - There is little or no relationship between the club and Mino. Other clubs have also had a reluctance to deal with him - Manchester City is an example. Other clubs are run on a professional basis and are happy to work with agents. Manchester United coul have resolved the issue by accepting a swap with Bernardeschi last summer but again they screwed up and won't deal with his agent. But they managed to buy Sancho and have decided not to play him. I assume you are thinking of Bernardeschi as other player they would be interested in?}




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18 Jan 2022 20:44:03
A polo mint team??? brilliant Cheshire Red.
What's your read now on the playing side?
The plan you last outlined is that being completely ripped up are they starting again from zero? You felt that ole was 100% backed and there was no turning back no matter what. But in sure you agree they had to act.
Is the plan for RR to write the blueprint?
Have you heard anything on that side or who is undee consideration for new manager?




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17 Jan 2022 22:07:00
I think it's poch. eth is a possibility imo.




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17 Jan 2022 19:18:30
I think the decision has been made. I've no evidence or knowledge to that effect but its just a gut feeling I have.

I would think it's down to the last couple of candidates at a minimum.
I'm just as interested in the consultancy role RR will have and whether he has any influence.

Interesting few months ahead.
Should be good craic looking in from the outside as we all do.




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17 Jan 2022 16:39:44
Potter is the flavour of the month. Just like howe was and Sean dyas and many before him.
I like the job he is doing at Brighton but the step up is massive and it would be equally as high risk as ole imo.


{Ed077's Note - but unlike Howe and Dyche, Potter has done a good job at more than one club.

But I don't think he is ready right now for the big clubs just yet. And I don't think we are structured/ready for such appointments right now.



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17 Jan 2022 14:47:18
I think he was angel. One of the best at what he did. Best crosser of a ball I've seen in 20 years.