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26 Apr 2021 13:54:37
Hi ed002.
You said a couple of weeks ago that United were not one of the clubs trying to complete transfers early. ( or words to that effect)
Do you know if that's changed and if they have started to engage with their priority targets agents or clubs?
Likewise for any players moving on have they started the process with any of those yet?
Have you any dates for your latest sharkopds for the United and other epl clubs yet.
Ta. Have a good day.

ken

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure much has changed. I know there has been a discussion with one agent over a player leaving and a third-party is dealing with two other departures on behalf of the club. I am not aware of Manchester United pushing for any signings at this time, but they know what needs to be done in terms of positions and will be trying to clarify targets. THere will be a Sharkopod for Manchester United when time allows.}


1.) 26 Apr 2021 14:56:34
I love a sharkopod. Will Sparky be helping you out with it Ed?

{Ed002's Note - He is picking the music.}


2.) 26 Apr 2021 15:05:32
Exciting stuff! Thanks Ed002!


3.) 26 Apr 2021 15:07:04
Ed002, are you able to share with us who the 3 players are in discussion around leaving the club?

{Ed002's Note - There is no benefit to it.}


4.) 26 Apr 2021 16:31:36
Thanks 002.


5.) 27 Apr 2021 10:25:13
Ed, have our transfer targets been influenced at all by the new appointments made by the club?

{Ed002's Note - They are simply internal appointment.}


6.) 27 Apr 2021 10:43:32
Another disasterous summer awaits, there will be plenty of stories and names linked but we will end up with minimal investment and probably 4/ 5 choice players.


7.) 27 Apr 2021 12:21:06
Seeing all the talk of a Sharkopod, has led me to think - who decided on that brilliant name?

{Ed002's Note - Sparky.}


8.) 28 Apr 2021 02:01:20
Sparky has ruff! Taste in music 🐶.


 

 

31 Dec 2020 18:10:55
Ed002 thanks for the review below.
Just when you mention Saul you said 'not January' is he a realistic summer target ed?
Thanks and happy new year .

ken

{Ed002's Note - Not right now he is not a summer target. Manchester United would be interested if they had cleared out midfield and if he were available.}


1.) 01 Jan 2021 19:44:00
Happy new year to everyone.

What does “cleared out the midfield” mean?
Pogba and Lingard sold for cash?
Anyone else?

Thank you very much Ed002.


2.) 01 Jan 2021 22:28:09
Guessing offloading Pogba is the key one here and then finding a role for VDB. Lingard surely not even in the equation.


 

 

01 Dec 2020 08:53:21
Good morning ed002.
Do you expect Manchester United to try and get any new players in during the Jan window.? Who if anybody are the club targeting?
Secondly do you think we will be able to sell on any players? Is there any interest in any of our players from elswhere?
Thanks for your time.
Ken.

ken

{Ed002's Note - I don't see a concerted effort to do anything specific in January right now and my expectation is that clubs will not be looking to do too much in January as it is very difficult to plan for. Ighalo is out of contract in January and the club need to make decisions about those out of contract in the summer. The club will look toward players for the summer and already many clubs are talking to each other and agents about what will happen next summer. The club will look to add a third choice GK, perhaps internally, a CB, DM, and perhaps a LM. Much depends on sorting out the midfield problems.}


1.) 01 Dec 2020 12:11:29
Thought as much ed thank you.
Jan never the best time and with the unpredictability around finances its even worse this year.
I think shifting a few out will take priority this winter.
I hope that we can do that. Rojo and mata are both out of contract in the summer i'm not sure who else is.

{Ed002's Note - My notes say:
Sergio Romero (G) out of contract
Lee Grant (G) out of contract
Timothy Fosu-Mensah (RB) out of contract
Marcos Rojo (LB/CB) out of contract
Jesse Lingard (AM) out of contract
Edinson Cavani (S) out of contract
Odion Ighalo (S) out of contract in January}


2.) 01 Dec 2020 13:26:29
Amateurs may still offer or trigger options players have to their contracts.


3.) 01 Dec 2020 14:09:33
i think cavani will likely get a new deal

the rest can leave for me.


4.) 01 Dec 2020 15:03:45
Cavani might be useful to keep for another year, he does have a one year extension option.

T
All the others should be allowed to leave. None are anywhere near the first 11, they are taking up a lot of wages and even if given a new deal we wouldn't be able to get much for them. Best cutting ties and allowing them to move on.


5.) 01 Dec 2020 15:46:07
I'd keep Cavani as he is useful. The others can go as it will free up spaces in the squad aswell as wages. After all, C.V. effects will last some time. We need a new shirt sponsorship soon, it will more than likely be less than what we got last time.


6.) 01 Dec 2020 15:46:19
All of those players out of contract should be let go only one I'd consider keeping is cavani but that will be based off how he does this season. also ed wouldn't Mata be on the list?


7.) 01 Dec 2020 15:27:16
Hasn't TFM signed a new contract?

{Ed002's Note - He may well have done - I didn't check


8.) 01 Dec 2020 15:56:50
I hope Woodward doesn't do the "need to protect the value" thing.


9.) 02 Dec 2020 03:41:32
So we are not after a rw now such as Sancho which is good news as I think buying him doesn't make sense afyer buying Diallo and Pelistri.


10.) 02 Dec 2020 09:31:02
At least Phil Jones is'nt out of contract, thank God.


11.) 02 Dec 2020 11:34:53
Many thanks as always, Ed002.

I wouldn't object to any of the out of contract players leaving, with the exception of Cavani who should be renewed for a further year.

Interesting that you mentioned the club may look at left midfielder, I can't understand that when we have Rashford and Martial for that role. Are you able to shed any light onto this please? If you have chance before Christmas a broader transfer target update would be much appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - Rashford and Martial are forwards not midfield players. Don't expect much if anything in January.}


12.) 07 Dec 2020 22:04:11
We absolutely have to keep Mata and not just for what he can still provide on the park as a fringe player. He embodies everything about being a Red. He loves his craft, he is passionate and gives 100% every time he steps on the pitch. More like him across the park and we would be flying. Sure he is older but purely as an example to the youngsters he has to stay and eventually become an ambassador. The rest can leave including the circus that is Pogba.


 

 

22 Nov 2020 12:20:18
Hi ed 002
There are several reports recently that Manchester United are showing interest in Evertons DOF Marcel Brands.
Do you know if there is any truth in this? His contract with Everton expires at the end of the season.
In your opinion would he be a good candidate and do you think he would get the structure he would like?
Thanks.

ken

{Ed002's Note - Brands has a contract ending next year and much will depend how he feels after now being allowed greater control over at least the first team this season. He would be a great DoF but needs way more than Manchetser United would ever offer as he would want to instill the same approach and discipline throughout the club easing the process of bringing players through. It seems unlikely it would be viable.}


1.) 22 Nov 2020 13:19:22
Thanks ed002. Appreciate the switch response.


 

 

16 Oct 2020 17:33:38
As predicted the club have apparently triggered the 1 year extension on pogbas contract well before jan to prevent him leaving on a free next summer.
I wonder will this move trigger new contract talks or not.
Im not sure too many clubs want to pay a big fee but if he runs his contract down there would be no shortage of offers to consider i'm sure.
Let's hope ole finds a way to get him playing well.

ken

1.) 16 Oct 2020 18:24:19
Who will be at United longer, Ole or Pogba?


2.) 16 Oct 2020 21:30:58
Just want to stop him leaving free i guess but tbh I'd pay for his taxi to wherever he feels like.


3.) 16 Oct 2020 18:59:49
Very good question Grim!


4.) 17 Oct 2020 10:03:35
Both need to go, edd too n we can maybe salvage our season.


5.) 17 Oct 2020 10:06:44
Worst kept secret in Manchester. His hearts been in Madrid for years. There ain’t a hope in hell that he’ll sign a new contract with us, it’s all been engineered by his agent to get him over there. He’d have been over there last year if Madrid had the money, but what they’ve probably said is hang on until you have a year left and we’ll sign you then when United are forced to take a smaller fee.

I hate the Spanish mob and their little games, you watch when he’s got a year left with us, they’ll wheel out Benzema in front of the cameras to spout about how great a player Pog is and he’ll always be welcome at the Bernabaeu. Plus, it’s no coincidence we’ve signed DVB, he’s obviously been identified as Pog’s replacement, it’s just that we had to sign him now at a decent price to prevent the fee been inflated when we inevitably flog Pog!


6.) 17 Oct 2020 14:07:48
If he’s smart he’ll sign a new deal with an agreed release clause and be gone in January. He’s 27 now and will be 29 by the time his contract’s up. He’ll get a nice signing on fee if he runs the contract down but will struggle to find anybody willing to give him a long contract - especially if his form hasn’t improved massively. Getting a big 5 year deal in January would make a lot more sense than wasting his best years at a club that he doesn’t want to be at and then getting a 2-3 year deal in 2 years time.


7.) 18 Oct 2020 10:45:41
Sad it didn’t work out with Pogba - but stop flogging a dead horse. He doesn’t want to be here anymore and that’s fair enough. You can’t keep someone against their will it’s crazy.

Encourage some decent bids, get him out in Jan and build the team around Bruno and VDB who looks a class act in the glimpses we have seen so far.


8.) 18 Oct 2020 12:48:37
why not be proactive for once and offer Pogba to Real in exchange for Rafael Varane in January or next summer. Both at the same age and the same contract length, should be a decent offer from our side.

We could cut some 30 million quid from our annual budget (13 million wages plus at least 19 million amortization from the fee paid to Juventus, not even accounting for agent fees etc. as I don't know whether they are deducted over the contracting period or as a one off) and thus make room for new signings.


9.) 19 Oct 2020 15:06:16
Why on earth would selling Pogba mean manchester united would gain money from Juventus. it would only change the timing within the accounts nothing else.


10.) 19 Oct 2020 20:45:17
I know what i would do with Pogba, tie his 2 feet into 1 boot around the back of his head and kick his ass to Spain for free! :D Fukn Mercenary!


11.) 19 Oct 2020 21:13:08
Pogba hurts his career. He should ask a transfer request to force a move away. No point hold a player who doesn't want to be here, again no point for him staying in a place doesn't want to. Its a lose-lose so i can't understand why they don't sit down to find a solution.


 

 

 

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16 Jul 2021 13:39:01
Lots of murmurings that we plan to switch from a 4231 to a 433.
Music to my ears that. One of the biggest issues I have with the manager is our overly defence set up and mindset.
Changing this would be a great 1st step imo.
We need to stop being so submissive and stop playing like underdogs so I would very much welcome this change.

ken

1.) 16 Jul 2021 14:09:56
When we get smashed and Pogba and Bruno are loosing the ball left right and centre everyone will be moaning for a defensive midfielder to be brought in.


2.) 16 Jul 2021 14:26:05
That would be great Ken.
Moving away from a defensive minded approach will be a step in the right direction.
I expect Varane to take us to the next level.

And with the addition of Sancho, we have a potent attack force.


3.) 16 Jul 2021 14:43:42
Back to Ole's original set-up then, that's how he had it in his first month's, up until Smalling got a knock.


4.) 16 Jul 2021 14:53:21
So would I Ken, needs to be braver.


5.) 16 Jul 2021 15:07:17
It does make you wonder if we played that way because Ole doesn’t trust the personnel to play another way. If we got a top central defender in I would be very interested to see us play a more attacking style of play, it’s certainly a negative that most people have with the team.


6.) 16 Jul 2021 16:24:01
I don't see that much of a change tbh, still 4 defenders, still 3 in the atack (as I see it Rashford on the left and Greenwood on the right were already playing as a top 3), as for midfield, perhaps we will change to 1 defensive minded midfielder instead of 2 and put Bruno a bit back.


7.) 16 Jul 2021 18:17:59
Formations are fluid. A team will have different positioning without the ball and a different shape when in possession. Then there is speed of transition between the different formations which is part of it. The tone is set by the manager, coaches and having the right players. You can kick off a game in a 451 formation and be very attacking throught likewise you can start a match all in a neat 343 triangles everywhere and still be defensive.


 

 

12 Jul 2021 15:43:48
Of all the united players that played for their countries only a few came out with much credit.
Shaw and maguire were the standouts
Ddg rash Bruno hendo sancho hardly played or didn't play
Lindelof did OK
Mctom did OK mainly used as a cb.
James did OK
At least we won't have crap excuses for the beginning of the season that our players are knackered.

ken

1.) 12 Jul 2021 16:52:36
Pogba was in team of the tournament announced earlier, along with Shaw and Maguire.


2.) 12 Jul 2021 16:59:01
Also don't forget about Fred for Brazil had a good one in their tournament.


3.) 13 Jul 2021 08:55:22
Spot on Ken, this tournament has just highlighted how poor our squad really is. Everyone knows international football is played at a slower pace making it easier than EPL football. Yet still many of our players were good enough to get into their national sides, and the ones that did were fairly average.

But like you say, this bang average squad at least shouldn't be too tired at the start of next season.


4.) 13 Jul 2021 11:17:38
As Kev mentioned above 3 of our players were in the team of the tournament, out of 624 players at the euro's 3 of the best 11 play for United.


5.) 13 Jul 2021 11:58:34
Don't understand at all how Pogba made team of the tournament. The number of times he gave the ball away in really bad positions or just didn't bother tracking back and let his defence face an extra unmarked man. A handful of hollywood passes and a nice goal just isn't enough to make up for it.


6.) 13 Jul 2021 13:12:40
Thorne,

Unfortunately social media has turned football into being about the Hollywood passes, flicks etc. 6-10 second clips for likes and retweets.


7.) 13 Jul 2021 14:04:17
GDS I think that highlights the strength of our current team and squad. Not sure what shappy is on about. 3 out of 11 play for United, 624 players in the tournament 🤯.


8.) 13 Jul 2021 14:44:05
I don't think any United players stood out at all apart from Shaw and that's down to some assists and a goal. He still goes to sleep and is out of position often but he's improving all the time. Maquire was consistent but I still don't think he's the solution, he's slow, clumsy looking and puts players into trouble with his passing out from the back. Would much prefer Torres with say Varane. Pogba was good in an attacking sense yet still poor defensively, probably won't be with us for the start of the season anyway. No body else got much game time at a all. James very average at a higher level of opponent. Yes Fred had a good copa apparently. Lindelof weak for Sweden proved again by the goals they conceded. I'm not quite sure what the euros says about our squad? Maybe pretty average and not great in areas.


9.) 13 Jul 2021 16:31:02
Actually the "team of the tournament" that had Shaw and Pogba in was actually a fake.

UEFA's official team of the tournament, which is easily checkable on their website is:

Gianluigi Donnarumma (Italy)

Kyle Walker (England)

Leonardo Bonucci (Italy)

Harry Maguire (England)

Leonardo Spinazzola (Italy)

Pierre-Emile Højbjerg (Denmark)

Jorginho (Italy)

Pedri (Spain)

Federico Chiesa (Italy)

Romelu Lukaku (Belgium)

Raheem Sterling (England) 

Which I don't quite agree with. But according to that only Maguire from our team made it.


10.) 13 Jul 2021 17:05:01
Don't entirely agree with the real one, but it's better than the fake one IMO. Shaw deserved to be in it, but so did Spinazzola, so understandable decision there. Not sure how Walker got in there though!


11.) 13 Jul 2021 18:00:44
We only have 1 in the 11 in the official UEFA team, there seems to be a few different teams out there, the one I saw yesterday definitely had Shaw, maguire and pogba in it. Today’s only Maguire made it, i thought he had a fantastic tournament and proved that any team he plays for is better with him in it, as if the last 6 games of last season didn’t prove that enough.


12.) 13 Jul 2021 18:07:32
Yes Shappy, there are a few different teams knocking about.


 

 

06 Jul 2021 18:16:02
Ed002, can you explain why we look to or end up loaning so many players out instead of selling them? The likes of rojo lingard pereira I see Williams linked with a loan and I think you said maybe James.
Is it because their contracts wouldn't be matched by a buying club? Or is it because their value may increase if they do well?
A lot of the other major clubs seem to do a lot better with their handing of out going players and get better income from sales than we do. Its quite recently too as up to the end fergie and execs sold pretty well and got great fees at the time for all sorts of players from Ronaldo to Ronnie walwork.

ken

{Ed002's Note - It is because they want the players to gain experience or because there are not buyers. Some clubs have a plan for all players. Manchester United don't.}


 

 

05 Jul 2021 20:02:26
Ed002.
Can I ask how playerz particularly young players and players in their prime like mbappe or pogba or camavinga feel about running their contracts down and leaving for free?
Is their any loyalty towards the clubs and the player wanting to do right by them or would players just do what's right for them?
It seems to becoming a little more regular.

For arguments sake in pogbas or mbappe's case would a suitor tell his agent now they will sign him next summer and pay agent and player a bigger signing fee if he runs down his contract?

ken

{Ed002's Note - It is unusual for a player to run down their contract when the club wants to renew. Players like Pogba are unusual in respect of playing for a team where they have deliberately wrecked the relationship with his agent and have been holding him hostage. Mbappe’s situation is different in that he wants to move to Real Madrid but the club want a year or two more out of him first. In terms of another player there have been discussions with clubs over getting a deal done next season at a halfway price that pretty much benefits all of the parties.}


1.) 06 Jul 2021 07:23:05
His clients don't seem to think so bolger.
He is attracting new clients all the time. He is a very good agent.
He is being kept to his contract against his will. He wants to leave but is not being allowed to leave.
He is not happy. If I were pogba I'd sit tight until Decthen dign a pre contract with Madrid and keep my head down.
That's how he will make the most money.
But it means giving up another year of his life in an unhappy environment.
People change their mind circumstances change so if he wants out it should be facilitated we are only seeing part of him he wants out.
Some supporters are gas they are happy for us to sign players from other clubs that want out but have double standards when our own players want out.
If he is not sold I predict a season where he will have a lot of injuries. He doesn't want to be here and the club have forced him to stay. Dumb move.


2.) 06 Jul 2021 09:17:36
Everyone has a contract of employment, imagine if you went to hand your notice in and your company said no, you can't leave. How would you feel? Like a hostage I'd imagine.

I don't know what is to be gained by refusing to facilitate a player who wants to leave?

All you will achieve is creating a bad feeling within the group of players. You'll gain a bad reputation among the sport as poor employers thus potentially making it harder to bring in top players. While eventually the players contract will run down the player will leave for free.

We have repeatedly seen these amateur "bully boy" tactics used by our club. Maybe it works in when you're dealing with stocks and shares, but not when those assets are people, who have thoughts and emotions.

We tried to bully both Sporting Lisbon and Dortmund over the transfers of Bruno and Sancho. It didn't work we ended up agreeing to pay the full asking price for Bruno 6 months later. While we paid the revised asking price from Dortmund a year later.

We tried it with Pogba, and now he'll leave on a free and we have tarnished our reputation with players and agents.

While our lack of personal understanding and ability to plan ahead means we alienated Romero and wasted a year of his career. Further damaging our reputation with players.


3.) 06 Jul 2021 09:19:59
Ken, has he been forced to stay, or has no club put in a bid for him that matches United's evaluation? There's a bit of a double standard when United are expected to match Dortmund's evaluation of Sancho, who wanted to leave, but are then criticised for sticking to their evaluation of their own players. For all Pogba's desire to leave, it doesn't appear any club has seriously pursued him.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with that.}


4.) 06 Jul 2021 09:27:40
I get pogbas issue with the club not letting him go and whilst i am a big fan of his abilities as a player, i struggle to see what the club could have done to facilitate his departure without a reasonable offer.

From recollection the bids for him according to media reports have been:

1.) Barcelona 2018 - Andre Gomes and Yerry Mina plus cash.
2.) Real Madrid 2019 - James Rodrigues plus cash.

Those players have hardly set the world alight at everton and there would have been uproar if the club accepted either offer.

Now obviously we don't really know what goes on behind the scenes and the club might have rejected reasonable offers for pogba but I doubt that is the case.

In hindsight he probably shouldn't have come back and stayed at Juve and then moved to Madrid/ Barca from there a few years later.

{Ed002's Note - You all need to drop this - it is very clear that none of you understand the situation and the ignorance about some of the people involved is astonishing.}


5.) 06 Jul 2021 10:15:44
Thanks for the info ed002. I'm not sure what i said wrong no offence meant.

{Ed002's Note - Not you Ken.}


6.) 06 Jul 2021 10:38:00
All this reminds me when Sepp Blatter referred to Cristiano Ronaldo as a "slave"


7.) 06 Jul 2021 12:23:38
People should banging on about saying pogba is being held hostage and is being forced to stay against his will

He signed a contract the clubs owns that player for his services till that contrsct is expired unless a club give united what they want

Just like if i wanted to leave my vodaphone contract i either pay the release clause or i have to keep with it till it exspires.


8.) 06 Jul 2021 12:53:52
Bolger, while from a legal contractual perspective that might be true, the reality is that this assessed the club "owns" as you put it is a human being. Not a phone or a second hand car.

Personally I feel the transfer window has dehumanised and devalued players to being nothing more than cattle being branded and pushed around a cattle market to be bid on to the highest bidder.

Yes the players are well paid for the job they do. But that doesn't mean that they are automatically happy with being thousands of miles away from their friends and families, it doesn't mean they are okay living somewhere with a different culture to what they are comfortable with.

I'm sure Pogba was told and given all sorts of reassurances about the direction and ambition of our club when we were trying to convince him to sign for us. Have those promises been fulfilled?

The wonderful thing about being human is the right to change your mind, you don't always have to vote for the same political party, you can get divorced, you can cancel your phone contract.

Maybe Pogba was happy to sign for United on the day he signed, but its not inconceivable that he might have changed his mind for any number of reasons.

It doesn't benefit the club in any way to try and block him from leaving. All they do is devalue him as an asset, while creating discontent within the changing room and gaining a bad reputation when it comes to hiring new players in the future.

It's moronic i the extreme.

If the offers aren't good enough then negotiate, get the best deal you can and move on.

For me the problem is the club overspent to sign him in the first place, 89m for a player probably worth around 60m at the time, followed by paying Mino 28m to facilitate the deal. Which is why the club didn't want to accept deals worth around the 50-60m he was actually worth as it would just highlight how stupid they were in the first place. That is the only thing to be gained from refusing to sell him, a lack of egg on their face.


9.) 06 Jul 2021 13:37:04
if the club don't want to sell him that is their choice just like when we have gone after players

i just don't agree with people saying he is being held hostage and we are forcing him to stay and all the other tosh i'm reading.

look at it this way shappy you give in to one agent and player you then set yourself up for others to follow.

throwing toys out the pram demanding to leave because they don't want to play anymore.

let him leave on a free next summer, not like we will struggle to replace him

you are right shappy i can leave my contract if i pay the early leave fee that voda want

if pogba wants to leave a club has to pay what united deem his value is. end of he isn't being held hostage he's being held to the 300k a week contract he sign for.


10.) 06 Jul 2021 13:45:41
Ed002, can you explain the situation for us?

For those of us without any kind of inside knowledge, it simply looks like the club have been reluctant to sell him, and haven't received any offers worth reconsidering that stance for. If that's the case, it doesn't seem any different from any other club expecting their valuation to be met.

Is it simply that the club are being uncooperative and not even telling the player's agent what kind of offer it would take? Are they just asking for an unrealistic fee? Or is it something else entirely?

{Ed002's Note - What valuation?}


11.) 06 Jul 2021 13:56:35
the valuation they want for the player for him to leave this window.

{Ed002's Note - Which is what? You are all getting way too wrapped up in something that is very simple.}


12.) 06 Jul 2021 14:33:19
thats what thorne was asking, do you know what the club are asking for him to leave this summer.

the simple thing is either pay what the club wants which none of us know or he leaves for free next summer.

{Ed002's Note - The club are not asking anything as they are not talking to his agent. His agent is talking to other clubs to see what offers may be available. You seem to be struggling rather to grasp the situation.}


13.) 06 Jul 2021 15:03:24
Will be an interesting day when all clubs collectively decide not to talk to certain agents :D.


14.) 06 Jul 2021 16:17:18
come sep 1st he will either be at manutd or another club: if at mu he either performs well or doesn't get picked- don't give a toss tbh- if he is at another club same. His time at mu has been nothing short of torrid and his performances haven't justified the fee by comparisson. Best case scenerio is he goes before the window and we move on as a club.


15.) 06 Jul 2021 16:42:53
Bolger read back what you just wrote.

You say that he isn't being held hostage or he isn't a slave.

You then say the club own him thus making him a slave. And as he is their property they have the right to refuse him the right to leave, thus holding him hostage.

It's fairly simple. He doesn't want to be here, but the club is refusing to allow him to leave. Thus they are holding him hostage.


Whatever you think of him, he is a person with thoughts and feelings.

He doesn't want to be here then let him go.


16.) 06 Jul 2021 16:37:24
Sorry Ed, maybe I overcomplicated my question. I was asking what Utd are doing wrong in his case, like for example: are they setting an unrealistic valuation, or being uncooperative and not letting anyone know what their valuation even is?

{Ed002's Note - there is no valuation.}


17.) 06 Jul 2021 17:18:56
So the club are basically just saying he's not for sale, not giving even a starting point for negotiations, and ignoring any attempt to begin discussions about him?


18.) 06 Jul 2021 18:57:48
Thorne if pogba is sold a 3rd party will need to be involved. The club are not on talking terms with pognas agent.
Really disrespectfully and for the 1st time ever on record the club took up the extra years option on pogba without discussing it with him or his agent. Being kind its nothing short of bizarre behaviour.
Maybe a 3rd part can broker a sale this summer which would in my opinion be the best result. The club have made a complete pigs ear of the whole situation.


19.) 06 Jul 2021 19:42:56
Shappy he isn't being held hostage and the club do own the players what are the players to clubs?

Of course they are employees yes but they sign into somthing that's binding,

Fully knowing they are there for a minimum amount of time untill that contract expires or untill a club that the agent soeaks to to try and buy them out of that contract

Its a ruthless business if players don't want to be held hostage or used as slaves then don't sign a contract for so long.


20.) 06 Jul 2021 19:52:45
Ken the agent is thw main reason the relationship broke down not the club

How many times has he gone public about pogba when he should have been "respectful" and done his talking in house.

Hes tried to use a tatic to pressure united into giving into his demands like a child, and pogba is just as bad for not telling him to shut his mouth pogba employs him to do one thing, he doesn't employ him to talk utter crap about the club.

Let. him go for. free in a years time when he's a year older

when ronaldo wanted to leave mendes and ronaldo didn't go talking to the media slagging the clib off, there's a respectful way of doing things and nither pogba or mino have shown any.

{Ed002's Note - No, it was the amateurs and nothing else. The agent wants what is best for the player. Your knowledge of the subject appears to be zero.}


21.) 06 Jul 2021 21:20:02
Players and Agents no doubt all talk to one another and if there is a view that we have treated Pogba, who is no doubt an influential player, badly its going to have a significant negative impact on perception of us with other players and make us fair less attractive to players and probably agents.

Seeing what we have done with DvB for example must also put doubts into players about us as a destination.

Obviously this won't affect every player but it will still possibly put a number off.


22.) 06 Jul 2021 21:25:31
Bolger you are incorrect mate.
So keep him for a year cost us 40m and he earns a lot more in the long run. Perfect way to teach him a lesson.


 

 

03 Jul 2021 15:56:44
Reports today that ddg has no intention of leaving this summer.
That's a good thing imo unless we can sign the likes of oblak.
This for me is the most interesting and crucial aspect of all our summer transfer business.
Its for me the most important call ole has to make. Who will be our 1st choice keeper.

ken

1.) 03 Jul 2021 16:47:10
Hi Ken

If I understand correctly we have signed Heaton and given a new contract to Grant. Not sure what the decision is but do we need 4 keepers? Keepers need stability, not mishmash in and out, so it needs to be decisive this summer, one or the other, or be even more decisive and sell both then bring a new more dominant keeper in.

{Ed014's Note - it’s a no brainer, get rid of Henderson and DDG and get Oblak.

Anything else is stupidity, why waste a year gambling to see if Henderson is good enough and you know DDG no longer is!


2.) 03 Jul 2021 20:42:44
Why would he want to leave?

If he leaves it'll most likely be to a club a step down from United, and he'd definitely have to take a pay cut on his 350k per week.


3.) 03 Jul 2021 20:47:31
Henderson skipped the queue and it's actually been detrimental to him I think. Would United have been in the market to replace De Gea with Sheffield United's keeper? I don't think so.

We buckled to his demands when he should have been told another year or two on loan was what was needed.

Henderson done nothing to show he's United No.1 material, in fact Romero was much more impressive over the last few seasons when he played.

I don't think Henderson should be our No.1 but if he is so be it. But a decision needs to be made quickly.

I can understand why the club didn't want Henderson to leave for free but he should have been made work harder to get the number 1 spot.


4.) 04 Jul 2021 06:21:35
Mumbles

Romero was the best No2 in the league, settled and seemingly content. He could have been first choice elsewhere. Too late now but he was treated disgracefully by the club and it’s manager and we have created our own major GK issue. Personally I would sell both Henderson and DDG and go get Oblack with Heaton as back up. We cannot or should not go through another season with indecision on keepers.


5.) 04 Jul 2021 10:43:25
I 100% agree that the club's current goalkeeping dilemma is a self-inflicted wound.

Personally I feel it stems from a lack of oversight on the playing staff. Whoever sanctioned DDG's last contact should be sacked. Why make a declining player the highest paid player in the league on a long term deal? That was stupid. Especially when the club had such a strong goalkeeping pool at the time with Romero easily good enough to be No.1 if needed and with a young Henderson coming through. A completely unnecessary move that has created the issue we are dealing with right now.


6.) 04 Jul 2021 13:35:55
I'm a big fan of Romero Red Man, he handled himself on and off the pitch impeccably and deserved much more than left to rot for a year with no football.

Shappy, I would assume they weighed up paying for a world class keeper plus wages, or giving Dave a raise. The Cost effective one was probably giving De Gea a raise. We see it all the time. We did it with Jones to "protect his value" but after he leaves the club for free in a couple of years, will of cost us circa £25 million.


7.) 04 Jul 2021 14:18:06
Mumbles, that's probably true. Short term views made by accounts who do not understand football.


 

 

 

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23 Jul 2021 18:04:15
I think he got more goals and assists than Fred this season.

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14 Jul 2021 18:57:23
It was manic to Rome then bailley then dalot now telles.

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13 Jul 2021 23:17:47
We can't just keep buying players someone has to go to make room for amad and sancho. Looks like Jesse and James will be the firsts that leave to make space.
If we sign a rb and a cb you will probably see tuanzebe and Dale make way while Williams will go on loan i'd imagine.
The squad is pretty much set then with the 2 real question marks over the will he stay or go pogba and keeper selection.
If he goes we will sign someone to replace him i guess.

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25 Jun 2021 19:45:07
Id say varane
Joel glazer wants the cheaper
Maguire wants neither he doesn't speak Spanish or French
Ole's preference is to bring japp stam back.

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25 Jun 2021 18:00:05
He is a really good player. He has imo been treated shabbily.
I hope he hangs in there in the hope he out lasts the manager.
I agree he is not cut out for playing oleball but pogba is proving to be a decent midfielder but even he can't get into an oleball midfield he has to play left wing.
Oleball requires destructive players concentrating on stopping the other team playing rather than getting our team playing.
First thing ole has to do pre season is ditch oleball.

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23 Jul 2021 18:01:04
Come on fella you don't need practise😚.

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23 Jul 2021 17:59:43
But to answer your question I know for sure your not alone in thinking its a good idea and that he could prove himself.

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23 Jul 2021 17:47:17
There was talk of it being 16 at first too.
Its always nice to wear your favourite no but it's not such a big deal and as shappy said he will claim it when cavani leaves.

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23 Jul 2021 17:43:45
We need to sell dalot imo ed077.
I'd take trippier in a heart beat we should have signed him when he went to Madrid.
Dalot is a decent player but not a very robust or astute defender its also best not to rely on a frequently injured player to be a back up. We've seen that with Jones. Not a good fit for the epl.
As for madrids interest its probably conjecture based on Everton interest eject CA was coach.
If that had interest it would be a lovely sweetener but would not look good on our books.

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{Ed077's Note - fair enough ken. I just think Dalot hasnt had a fair chance to prove himself at Man Utd, although you might be right in saying he might not be physically suited to PL footy.}


 

 

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23 Jul 2021 15:23:41
If you wait long enough you will agree with him ajh. Shappy comes full circle on everything eventually.
Im with James Mc. As we know him personally and spent time in his company.
Not only he is a good poster he is a good person with good morals.
Sure he would argue black is white and then the following day that white is black and contradicts himself continuously but that's what happens when you have an opinion on absolutly everything.
When he stops being a student and at the age of 34 it has to happen sometime no prospective employer would put up with the waffle so when shappy joins the employed brigade we should see a more consise style.
I would hasten to add whomever shappy does get employed by will be getting a good man.
Some folk you can trust others you can't and shappy is one of those you can trust, not withstanding his propensity to waffle.
Top guy and a good friend.

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