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31 Dec 2020 18:10:55
Ed002 thanks for the review below.
Just when you mention Saul you said 'not January' is he a realistic summer target ed?
Thanks and happy new year .


{Ed002's Note - Not right now he is not a summer target. Manchester United would be interested if they had cleared out midfield and if he were available.}

1.) 01 Jan 2021 19:44:00
Happy new year to everyone.

What does “cleared out the midfield” mean?
Pogba and Lingard sold for cash?
Anyone else?

Thank you very much Ed002.

2.) 01 Jan 2021 22:28:09
Guessing offloading Pogba is the key one here and then finding a role for VDB. Lingard surely not even in the equation.



01 Dec 2020 08:53:21
Good morning ed002.
Do you expect Manchester United to try and get any new players in during the Jan window.? Who if anybody are the club targeting?
Secondly do you think we will be able to sell on any players? Is there any interest in any of our players from elswhere?
Thanks for your time.


{Ed002's Note - I don't see a concerted effort to do anything specific in January right now and my expectation is that clubs will not be looking to do too much in January as it is very difficult to plan for. Ighalo is out of contract in January and the club need to make decisions about those out of contract in the summer. The club will look toward players for the summer and already many clubs are talking to each other and agents about what will happen next summer. The club will look to add a third choice GK, perhaps internally, a CB, DM, and perhaps a LM. Much depends on sorting out the midfield problems.}

1.) 01 Dec 2020 12:11:29
Thought as much ed thank you.
Jan never the best time and with the unpredictability around finances its even worse this year.
I think shifting a few out will take priority this winter.
I hope that we can do that. Rojo and mata are both out of contract in the summer i'm not sure who else is.

{Ed002's Note - My notes say:
Sergio Romero (G) out of contract
Lee Grant (G) out of contract
Timothy Fosu-Mensah (RB) out of contract
Marcos Rojo (LB/CB) out of contract
Jesse Lingard (AM) out of contract
Edinson Cavani (S) out of contract
Odion Ighalo (S) out of contract in January}

2.) 01 Dec 2020 13:26:29
Amateurs may still offer or trigger options players have to their contracts.

3.) 01 Dec 2020 14:09:33
i think cavani will likely get a new deal

the rest can leave for me.

4.) 01 Dec 2020 15:03:45
Cavani might be useful to keep for another year, he does have a one year extension option.

All the others should be allowed to leave. None are anywhere near the first 11, they are taking up a lot of wages and even if given a new deal we wouldn't be able to get much for them. Best cutting ties and allowing them to move on.

5.) 01 Dec 2020 15:46:07
I'd keep Cavani as he is useful. The others can go as it will free up spaces in the squad aswell as wages. After all, C.V. effects will last some time. We need a new shirt sponsorship soon, it will more than likely be less than what we got last time.

6.) 01 Dec 2020 15:46:19
All of those players out of contract should be let go only one I'd consider keeping is cavani but that will be based off how he does this season. also ed wouldn't Mata be on the list?

7.) 01 Dec 2020 15:27:16
Hasn't TFM signed a new contract?

{Ed002's Note - He may well have done - I didn't check

8.) 01 Dec 2020 15:56:50
I hope Woodward doesn't do the "need to protect the value" thing.

9.) 02 Dec 2020 03:41:32
So we are not after a rw now such as Sancho which is good news as I think buying him doesn't make sense afyer buying Diallo and Pelistri.

10.) 02 Dec 2020 09:31:02
At least Phil Jones is'nt out of contract, thank God.

11.) 02 Dec 2020 11:34:53
Many thanks as always, Ed002.

I wouldn't object to any of the out of contract players leaving, with the exception of Cavani who should be renewed for a further year.

Interesting that you mentioned the club may look at left midfielder, I can't understand that when we have Rashford and Martial for that role. Are you able to shed any light onto this please? If you have chance before Christmas a broader transfer target update would be much appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - Rashford and Martial are forwards not midfield players. Don't expect much if anything in January.}

12.) 07 Dec 2020 22:04:11
We absolutely have to keep Mata and not just for what he can still provide on the park as a fringe player. He embodies everything about being a Red. He loves his craft, he is passionate and gives 100% every time he steps on the pitch. More like him across the park and we would be flying. Sure he is older but purely as an example to the youngsters he has to stay and eventually become an ambassador. The rest can leave including the circus that is Pogba.



22 Nov 2020 12:20:18
Hi ed 002
There are several reports recently that Manchester United are showing interest in Evertons DOF Marcel Brands.
Do you know if there is any truth in this? His contract with Everton expires at the end of the season.
In your opinion would he be a good candidate and do you think he would get the structure he would like?


{Ed002's Note - Brands has a contract ending next year and much will depend how he feels after now being allowed greater control over at least the first team this season. He would be a great DoF but needs way more than Manchetser United would ever offer as he would want to instill the same approach and discipline throughout the club easing the process of bringing players through. It seems unlikely it would be viable.}

1.) 22 Nov 2020 13:19:22
Thanks ed002. Appreciate the switch response.



16 Oct 2020 17:33:38
As predicted the club have apparently triggered the 1 year extension on pogbas contract well before jan to prevent him leaving on a free next summer.
I wonder will this move trigger new contract talks or not.
Im not sure too many clubs want to pay a big fee but if he runs his contract down there would be no shortage of offers to consider i'm sure.
Let's hope ole finds a way to get him playing well.


1.) 16 Oct 2020 18:24:19
Who will be at United longer, Ole or Pogba?

2.) 16 Oct 2020 21:30:58
Just want to stop him leaving free i guess but tbh I'd pay for his taxi to wherever he feels like.

3.) 16 Oct 2020 18:59:49
Very good question Grim!

4.) 17 Oct 2020 10:03:35
Both need to go, edd too n we can maybe salvage our season.

5.) 17 Oct 2020 10:06:44
Worst kept secret in Manchester. His hearts been in Madrid for years. There ain’t a hope in hell that he’ll sign a new contract with us, it’s all been engineered by his agent to get him over there. He’d have been over there last year if Madrid had the money, but what they’ve probably said is hang on until you have a year left and we’ll sign you then when United are forced to take a smaller fee.

I hate the Spanish mob and their little games, you watch when he’s got a year left with us, they’ll wheel out Benzema in front of the cameras to spout about how great a player Pog is and he’ll always be welcome at the Bernabaeu. Plus, it’s no coincidence we’ve signed DVB, he’s obviously been identified as Pog’s replacement, it’s just that we had to sign him now at a decent price to prevent the fee been inflated when we inevitably flog Pog!

6.) 17 Oct 2020 14:07:48
If he’s smart he’ll sign a new deal with an agreed release clause and be gone in January. He’s 27 now and will be 29 by the time his contract’s up. He’ll get a nice signing on fee if he runs the contract down but will struggle to find anybody willing to give him a long contract - especially if his form hasn’t improved massively. Getting a big 5 year deal in January would make a lot more sense than wasting his best years at a club that he doesn’t want to be at and then getting a 2-3 year deal in 2 years time.

7.) 18 Oct 2020 10:45:41
Sad it didn’t work out with Pogba - but stop flogging a dead horse. He doesn’t want to be here anymore and that’s fair enough. You can’t keep someone against their will it’s crazy.

Encourage some decent bids, get him out in Jan and build the team around Bruno and VDB who looks a class act in the glimpses we have seen so far.

8.) 18 Oct 2020 12:48:37
why not be proactive for once and offer Pogba to Real in exchange for Rafael Varane in January or next summer. Both at the same age and the same contract length, should be a decent offer from our side.

We could cut some 30 million quid from our annual budget (13 million wages plus at least 19 million amortization from the fee paid to Juventus, not even accounting for agent fees etc. as I don't know whether they are deducted over the contracting period or as a one off) and thus make room for new signings.

9.) 19 Oct 2020 15:06:16
Why on earth would selling Pogba mean manchester united would gain money from Juventus. it would only change the timing within the accounts nothing else.

10.) 19 Oct 2020 20:45:17
I know what i would do with Pogba, tie his 2 feet into 1 boot around the back of his head and kick his ass to Spain for free! :D Fukn Mercenary!

11.) 19 Oct 2020 21:13:08
Pogba hurts his career. He should ask a transfer request to force a move away. No point hold a player who doesn't want to be here, again no point for him staying in a place doesn't want to. Its a lose-lose so i can't understand why they don't sit down to find a solution.



05 Oct 2020 18:46:45
Free reputedly agreed for smalling.
Delighted for him.


1.) 05 Oct 2020 18:59:47
Hes one of a few that gave his all for every manager since fergie. He might not be the standard that we want to be playing at but he can leave with his head held high! Good luck to him.

2.) 05 Oct 2020 19:21:05
A real shame that it’s taken this long. He’s been a good servant to us and should have been allowed to go much much earlier. Ed said all window we were asking for too much. We could have got this deal done weeks ago imo.

3.) 05 Oct 2020 19:28:53
Here here W16. and fee agreed obviously.

4.) 05 Oct 2020 19:49:27
Good to see it will go through, good luck Mike.




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06 Jan 2021 23:23:50
So we move on to the fa cup at the weekend.
Watford are not a great side and with Burnley and Liverpool ahead i think there is a lot of merit in resting a lot of players at the weekend and potentially going out with 9 or 10 changes.
Instead of analysing tonight's game let's have a bit of craic and see who can name as close to the 11 v watford as possible. Because it really could be any 11.
Im going for.
Axel bailly lindelof telles
Matic mctom
Mata greenwood james
If any of them excel then keep them in the team for Burnley.
Players need to know if they do come in and play well that its not a closed shop and that they will be rewarded by keeping their place.


1.) 06 Jan 2021 23:45:04
maguire (plays every game)
Donny (needs a game, don’t know why he never gets a look in)



06 Jan 2021 22:37:01
Ole said this was a better united than last seasons semi final.
We lost this year by 2 goals.
We lost last year by 1 goal.
Against a much worse city team.
The man is completely delusional.


1.) 07 Jan 2021 00:13:54
What's worrying to me is the performances against the better teams. When Ole joined it was his results against them that kept him in a job. We were fearless against them, played some great football and Oles record against the big 6 Was fantastic. I recall a woeful run of 2 wins in 14 games and we had Jose's Spurs and City. We beat both of them and kicked on.

Now something has changed. We play with fear when it matters. 4 semi finals and the two games in the Champions league to get a point. If you purely look at performances, not a good one amongst them and the worst United performance iv ever seen in the FA Cup against Chelsea.

Has Ole getting results against the weaker teams meant he's happy to play for a draw in these games in the league? In the cups we have been well beaten each time.

Is the Fred and McTominay partnership like rubber sheets for him just In case he wets bed?

The structure of this team needs to change if we want to win trophies. Ole and the team have done well to climb up the league. Now is the time to ditch the rubber sheets and start trying to beat our rivals.

2.) 07 Jan 2021 01:16:08
You all know i am not Oles biggest fan but yes this year we were better against them. Last year (you can rewatch the game) they must have scored 5 goals in first half alone.
Mumbles i disagree, we weren't well beaten. Against Chelsea althought we weren't decent we had control of the match and neither team had many chances. Then Maguire injured our player, referee didn't give us a penalty and we conceded a goal at the end of halftime (i think) . Against Sevilla we were the best team . Today althought we weren't perfect we conceded two set pieces and saying that this is the chance to say again how useless is Maguire for me.
They say that the differences at semi finals, finals etc are fine margins. At the first one against City i say nothing, because we must have conceded 5 goals at first match. Then its Chelsea in which he injured our own player and then in their first goal is again out of position. Then its Sevilla with the "no look defend" at their first goal and then bad positioning at the second, really why is always Lindelof at the heart of our defence althought he is short and Maguire is always far away trying to stop crosses etc? Then todays match, he is clearly at fault for the first goal but he is so stupid that he doent know what is around him and instead of clearing the ball he does nothing.
Althought i am not Oles biggest fan and this team is far from my dream team we could have won two of four semi finals with the same performances. This fine margins will go our way when we will buy a top center back in the place of our own "top" center back Maguire.

3.) 07 Jan 2021 06:23:41

Why call out the defensive players all the time when it is clear that neither Ole or the coaching staff seem to have done anything to cut out the mistakes at the back - happening all season long.

Even if Maguire/ Lindelof are at fault for everything you say then why keep selecting them when you have Bailly/ Tuanzebe on the bench. Why play zonal when you cannot coach any organisation at the back?

Both Maguire and Wan Bissaka were pretty good for their former clubs and now both seem to have gone backwards. Lindelof was really looking like a solid player improving all the time towards the end of 2018-19 (if i am right) season and now seems to be struggling most often than not.

With the current players and squad depth we should be winning most games. I simply don't think the defensive players are even the problem or that they are that bad, it is the coaching staff and Ole that don't seem to do much defensively at all in training.

4.) 07 Jan 2021 11:29:47
I agree let's play but with 80+ millions we paid it is difficult not to play him. But no matter how well Maguire is coached he will never be a top center back, for me he is useless.

5.) 07 Jan 2021 12:30:17
Fair enough Herrera but without proper coaching even a top CB could look bad. I am not suggesting Maguire is a top CB but with proper coaching and with a better organized and well communicated defense we would look a lot better at the back.



06 Jan 2021 22:00:51
4 semi defeats in the proverbial calandar year.
No other club can make that boast.
He started the team he trusts. Some would consider it his strongest team.
Sad shambolic effort tonight. Out classed on the night. No huge surprise.
So that's half the comps we entered at the start over by jan.
We really need to keep competitive in the league winning our next 2 league games would be a great start.


1.) 07 Jan 2021 00:35:40
Ken, I think you’re a really good poster but, shambolic? Really? We were shambolic against Spurs. This was a decent performance against a class team and nothing like as bad as you make out.

2.) 07 Jan 2021 10:34:05
RWWD - Ken is correct it was shambolic.



31 Dec 2020 22:58:42
Ronaldo to real madrid aside can anybody name the 'super fee' big successes.
Lets say any fee over 50m
I think its safe to say mbappe vvd alison bruno but lots of the others are more miss than hit. Pogba torres felix di maria couthino dembele kieta mendy stones maguire neymar etc etc
Im sure I've missed big successes. and of course some have time and its still early days.
It begs the question how much a players character and mentality come into play.


1.) 31 Dec 2020 23:12:17
Suarez from Liverpool to Barcelona was over 50m, as was Cavani from Napoli to PSG, I think KDB when he moved to City was north of 50m as well.

All of which I think can be considered successes.

I think there that when a fee gets to a certain size either the pressure becomes to much for the player and mentally they struggle to justify the fee to themselves. Or maybe it's the fans, would United fans consider Pogba and Maguire as poor or failed signings if they were bought for 35-40m rather than over 80m?

Do we judge a player based on how much they cost? If we do is that fair?

I mean both Pogba and Maguire have arguably improved our starting 11, or at least did when they arrived. So why are they considered poor signings?

Certainly there was a spate of players signed a few years ago especially by Barcelona (Dembele, Coutinho and Griezmann) where they massively overpaid. Which seemed to inflate the market.

Personally I much prefer the signings out of left field, those players who either have something to prove or who have potential. Give me a Vidic type signing all day long. Personally I feel as a club we have always had more success making stars rather than buying them.

2.) 31 Dec 2020 23:32:00
Rio to United because the amount at the time would be equal to far more than £50m now.
Roy Keane was a record, I don’t think you can set an amount because equivalents are the point, Law in 63 for example.

3.) 01 Jan 2021 08:31:18
Red Man, I think you have a point about past transfers. I can remember Shearer moving to Newcastle for 15m and being shocked at the price paid. Yet, in hindsight especially when comparing it to modern prices 15m for Alan Shearer sounds like daylight robbery.

Yet at the time is was significantly more than anyone had paid for a player in England.

That said I think in the past 5 years there was a jump from top players costing around 50m (Zidane, Figo, Kaka, Torres etc) to them cost well over 100m. When we sold Ronaldo for 80m that seemed like an eye watering amount. Yet he was a Balon d'Or winner and genuine world class player entering their peak.

Bale went for a little more a few years later, but then there was a jump. Players like Dembele who was unproven over more than one or two seasons at the highest level goes for well in excess of 100m. That jump took transfer fees to a whole new level.



31 Dec 2020 16:55:57
RIP tommy doc.


1.) 31 Dec 2020 17:48:29
Rip The Doc.

2.) 31 Dec 2020 18:09:20
R. I. P Tommy Doc. Saw us through some dark times, my idol Best leaving for one that knocked me for six as a school kid . Then the team he built, the attacking football, the excitement around it . Forsyth, Holton, Buchan, Greenhof brothers, Macari, Coppell, Hill Pearson Daly, mcIlroy . even in 2nd division highest attendances . off the pitch fans climbing on the stand roofs at Norwich at pulling the roof off. huge crowds locked outside the smaller grounds.

What a time to be a fan. R. I. P Doc.

3.) 31 Dec 2020 18:27:26
Bloody hell boyfromburreneay those names took me back some.

4.) 31 Dec 2020 19:43:40
yes Scoobydog, i'm 60 now. that was a great era. I was at School and suffered all the Mickey taking of us getting relegated -kids can be cruel. before anyone knew the term ABU, United being relegated was huge news - then when the Doc cleared the decks built his own team,2 wingers, fast attacking football the fans loved it - the off field stuff not so nice but the fans were going to Oxford, Norwich in huge numbers, just storming all 4 corners of the grounds at the height of the football violence .

But the Doc bought back a great buzz around the team.

Happy New year.

5.) 31 Dec 2020 21:57:42
I started supporting the year in Div 2, highest attendances in the country. Complete rebuild, great team, a proper United team, shame how it ended.

6.) 01 Jan 2021 08:47:07
boyfromburreneay I'm somewhat closer to 70 than 60 and well remember those days.




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11 Jan 2021 20:21:41
Tfm refused the new contract offer. Willams a far better player imo so its good all round. Not much off the wage bill. He was the worst paid in the squad at 18k a well reputedly.
Rojo romero and jones cost a combined 12m a year plus so it would be a nice wedge to save for players that make no contribution.
Id like jesse to get a move for his own sake. Nice lad and a real 100% type of guy. He will make a good player for the right team.




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09 Jan 2021 19:05:33
Laird played there when fit with willams on the left. But its rarely the same 11 at un23 for 2 games in a row. He played rb and cm in a couple of games
Bang on Danny.
He ain't getting into the team here for whatever reason ole doesn't fancy him. There have been rumours and counter rumours about him and Greenwood discipline wise but i don't always pay too much attention to that.




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09 Jan 2021 18:41:50
Im not saying 1 negative thing about Williams nor ole in this case.
He is not playing him unless he has to or maybe as jred says tonight as there is likely to be wholesale changes.
In his situation at 20 when there are 5 or 6 players played in front of him there is a decision for him to make. Loan would be my choice. For whatever reason ole doesn't want him in the team at rb he has has awb tfm lindelof and tuanzebe ahead of him at lb shaw and telles. Maybe he is not doing enough in training to warrent a chance. But this is oles decision. Its not a critisism its a fact. I've not said its a bad decision.
From Williams point of view he developed into a 1st team lb very quickly at 20 he has stalled and ole has barely played him this season so its in his best interests to get 1st team football for 6 months.
He could be a great signing on loan he as we have recognised above he can play either side and i would be looking to snap him up on loan if i were a team short on good defenders.
Vdb finds himself in the same position although he has had about 500 mins but he has bruno fred mctom matic and pogba ahead of him.
Ole generally prefers to have 2 players behind bruno he obviously feels vdb is not the player he wants to play. But he needs to be patient and to his credit he seems to keep his head down. He has not had the chance to play in the team for a run of games but that's oles choice.
8 wins 2 draws in the league I've not been calling for ole to start him in the league at all for the past 6 games ole is getting results his way in the league. My view on the sub in 88th min was a public humiliation of the player. A jose type act. That's my opinion on that one.
Lingard jones rojo romero tfm ighalo willams all appear to be totally out of favour and of those if willams stmt on loan and the rest left permanent it would make no difference to the squad at all.
To a much lesser extent mata he also has to decide if he wants to go and play somewhere or be a mentor type squad player at united.




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Ive done consultancy work for dozens of football clubs jred.





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14 Jan 2021 16:47:20
Sometimes you need to work with the devil to get the best results.




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14 Jan 2021 16:42:02
Salford i think that's a great post.
Perception is everything and there is a perception that football players are flaunting rules that we all must adhere to.




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13 Jan 2021 19:16:43
agree awb needs to start v liverpool. I don't think ole would consider anybody else for this one. Mane is one of the best in the epl imo.




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12 Jan 2021 23:36:39
Great win tonight.
We ground them down. they hardly threatened. I thought maguire was excellent. Couple of chances missed by cavani and martial. Good strike from pogba got a bit lucky.
Personally i thought maguire goal was 50/ 50 you would be looking for a free out if it were reversed. In todays game its 50/ 50 imo.
I thought Brady got lucky as he'd of seen red but i thought shaw's was a foul and ciuld have been red but yellow was fair imo.
Only negatives were a couple of injuries.
Chance to go 6 clear at the weekend and dump Liverpool into 5th. It may only be a fleeting moment so we should all enjoy it to see ourselves top and them 5th
If we can cement it with a win or draw at the weekend it would be perfect.




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10 Jan 2021 01:08:59
Jred i agree with a lot of your assessment. I too think he has a terrific attitude. He also has an appetite to imorove and learn.
A lot of what frustrates shan and herrera as i read their posts, i can understand. He often plays with his head down and makes poor decisions.
Going back top my statement which you are taking was a real negative up above is i believe that is down to coaching. I think he would be making greater strides with better coaching.
You say he needs to nail down a position i agree, but i think that's up to the manager not up to him .
How can he nail somewhere down if he is being played all over the front line.?
You and i view him very much the same. But what way do his coaches view him?
Its impossible to tell you have to acknowledge that surely?
Petsonally i think he is best coming from the left. He could possibly lead the line just as well. But is he being coached to do that? not from what i can see.
Now for the for the last 3 games he is from the right.
We agree he can be the match winner. 99% of match winners play nearly every game.
99% of match winners play in the same position every week.
They become expert and the elite in their position. Sure they can be flexible but I'm sure you know what i mean. They can pop up anywhere in any game but they play from the same position in every game.
So what is the plan for our match winner? What are the coaches and manager doing with him?
Its down to coaching and managers decisions.
Rashford would benifit from better coaching and better planning imo.
Is he being afforded the opportunity to be as good as he can be under this coaching set up?
I don't believe so. Reading your assessment do you not ask the same question?
Id play him as often as possible just like salah just like mane just like kane just like aguero, bruno, kdb, vardy, vvd who all play if fit and play from their best position every week. Rashfords not getting that opportunity. The best coaches don't shunt their match winners around to facilitate others. They are the match winners that the plans and team should be playing around. At united that's not rashford.
I belive the match winners in our team are bruno rashford and potentially cavani. Those 3 should imo play from their best position every week within reason. Its what all the best teams and coaches do. But that's not oles way.
It chops and changes every week no consistency in our play, players not playing in their best positions with no coherent plan. But they have been getting results in the league but have been found out in all the big pressure games this season.
In the league sometimes we play really well sometimes scraping through because they are good players but its not built around a real plan imo because it chops and changes how can it be.
Which 2 should play behind bruno every week to allow bruno to be as good as he can be?
Mctom and fred? Do we want our full backs high in the final 3rd. Yes if you play telles no of you play shaw . Do we play a high line yes with bailly no with lindelof. The whole thing changes every other week.
The best teams and all the best coaches play the same way every week within reason. They play to a system. No matter who comes in or out. But our team and players are not being coached that way.