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23 Jul 2021 18:37:13
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23 Jul 2021 17:07:09
Sancho done.
Varane likely?

More to be done still but progress at last.

Pogba - surely heading to PSG now. I suspect we will live with an offer as little as £30m for him now given he goes for nothing next summer. Running down your contract - who knew!

Clearly having bought Van De Beek last season that may give him a chance now without the need for a direct Pogba replacement but is he up to it? Looked class at Ajax and was in Ballol D'Or Top 30 aged 22. Eds have said before though he (or perhaps only his agent) were looking to move him on though.

Selling / losing Pogba and possibly selling Van De Beek in the same summer would be an absolute travesty if not going for Grealish. Still think he is a born United player but he will go to City and we will regret massively not trying to sign him last summer.

Have the links to Saul / Camavinga / Neves. Very positive to hear. Read an interesting article on The Athletic quoting Camavinga as the player who would give us most impact and at 18 he is a great prospect. Will we learn from the mistake of Bellingham though and give some firmer first team playing guarantees and sign him? Looks tremendous value at £30-40m being quoted.

Eds have noted Athletico are looking to move Saul off their wage bill and clearly he is a class player. Neves would settle in quickly too given the Fernandes connection and his experience of the league also.

Pogba saga finally being over, a new RW, new CB and new CDM would surely be too good to be true in one summer!

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23 Jul 2021 17:30:00
Halesini - that's asking a lot.
I truly think if we replace Pogba with a top midfielder as well as bringing in Varane and Sancho represents a good transfer window.
I truly believe that Hannibal should be brought through this year, this kid oozes class. He's a top passer of the ball, extremely cool in position and can create chances and is always positive with the ball. I am really hoping that Ole gives him a chance this year.

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23 Jul 2021 14:51:44
I hope that the varane transfer won't turn into another saga. We want the player and the player seems open to the move so let's get the deal done and move on. He is still only 28, has won pretty much everything and is regarded as one of the worlds best so imo even if we end up having to pay an extra 10m we would still be getting a massive bargain.

Ps i await the Shappython and will be counting the words ! Haha only in jest.

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23 Jul 2021 17:01:00
It's simple, United don't do easy. Varane want's to join, personal terms won't be a problem, and he is one of the very few genuinely world class players who'll be available. He plays in a position of serious need, and his skillset seems to almost perfectly match what we need. Add to that we don't seem to have any serious competition for his signature.

All this adds up to possibly one of the most obvious transfers possible. It's a no brainer and in my opinion would be more transformative to our side than Sancho.

It's the transfer equivalent of a one yard tap in dead centre of the goal with no opponent in the way to win the world cup in the last minute of extra time.

It just normally doesn't happen, but the stars have aligned for us to pull off one of the best signings of the summer.

So right on queue United start being silly over what amounts to about 5m, dragging the transfer out and placing it at risk for little to no reason.

Instead of just tapping the ball home they have decided to flick it up and do some keepie uppies with the hope of heading it home in some fancy sort of way.

Typical amateur behaviour, they may yet conspire to balls this up. I hope they won't and hopefully they can come to their senses and wrap this deal up quickly. As that is what benefits the team, the manager, the player and ultimately the club in general most.

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23 Jul 2021 17:01:43
That’s the thing though, we won’t pay the extra 10 million, we have a value and so do Madrid and if the past has taught us anything it’s that doing business with real is v difficult. I expect this one to run on and on, Pity because it would be in everyone’s interest to get him in and up to speed before the season starts!

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23 Jul 2021 17:14:48
Give them £40 million and Dalot who they may be interested in.

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{Ed077's Note - Am I the only one that things keeping Dalot as back-up to AW-B is makes more sense than buying Trippier to perform that role?

Also would RM be interested in Dalot??}

23 Jul 2021 17:43:45
We need to sell dalot imo ed077.
I'd take trippier in a heart beat we should have signed him when he went to Madrid.
Dalot is a decent player but not a very robust or astute defender its also best not to rely on a frequently injured player to be a back up. We've seen that with Jones. Not a good fit for the epl.
As for madrids interest its probably conjecture based on Everton interest eject CA was coach.
If that had interest it would be a lovely sweetener but would not look good on our books.

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{Ed077's Note - fair enough ken. I just think Dalot hasnt had a fair chance to prove himself at Man Utd, although you might be right in saying he might not be physically suited to PL footy.}

23 Jul 2021 17:59:43
But to answer your question I know for sure your not alone in thinking its a good idea and that he could prove himself.

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23 Jul 2021 18:00:31
Agree 100 % I believe varane at 50m is an absolute bargain and exactly what we need. Chellini and bonucci are both pensioners compared to varane so we could have him for maybe 6 or 7 years before he starts showing signs of ageing. If i had a spare 10m i would donate it to the club too get the deal done. Remember the season starts in 3 yes 3 weeks!

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23 Jul 2021 18:33:25
Dalot could be one of those where he just does not fit with the manager, for whatever reason. There are lots including Anchelotti who think he has real potential and with a high ceiling and as such he will get interest even if it is loan only.
Trippier I see the logic of as he can cover RB/ LB and WB in a 3 at the back whilst also not restricting Wan Bisakas growth.
If it happens it will be later in the window and at much more palatable figure.

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23 Jul 2021 13:13:35
Jadon Sancho finally unveiled.

A top class talent who can play multiple positions. He is also a fantastic creator and can now share some burden off Bruno.

A front 4 of Cavani, Rashy, Sancho and Bruno is just mouth watering.
Hopefully the coaches can bring the best out of them and entertain Old Trafford.
Excited for the season to start!

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23 Jul 2021 14:30:15
If those 4 get going it is mighty scary, hopefully we could just get a CB and DM to make this squad even stronger.

I am also excited for kickoff.

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23 Jul 2021 14:48:37
When you think of a front four of Sancho, Bruno, Rashford and Cavani it does look like a top class front four, or at least the makings of one.

We then have Greenwood, Amad, Pellistri and Shoretire coming through who over the next 2-3 years will have a bigger impact on the first team.

While we still (currently) have Martial, James, Lingard, Mata and Donny (as a No.10) as back ups.

Until we see 2 or 3 of these players either leave or fail to step up then I don't see us needing to sign anymore forward players.

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23 Jul 2021 16:25:53
Well done getting Sancho over the line at a good price. Great business.

I was really impressed how he came into the england games and didn't try to do too much, he was still playing simple and sensible team football.

Number 25 as well, not trying to be too flashy?

I hope he goes on to make a big legacy for himself at man utd. Very ex itjng player who. Certainly adds something extra to our squad.

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23 Jul 2021 17:03:57
Dodgy, I like the fact that the club haven't tried to take a number off of Cavani (7) or Greenwood (11) just to accommodate the new signing.

Personally I like the idea that Sancho can have a season or so to bed in without the added pressure of the No.7 shirt. Then he can claim in next year when Cavani leaves with hopefully a solid season under his belt.

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23 Jul 2021 17:43:11
Exactly Shappy.

All footballers are bonkers it seems, but a few signs that Sancho is a pretty switched on kid. I think he found a good place to play and he sees this club developing well over next couple of years. The good times are coming 👀.

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{Ed077's Note - a look into his choice of "agent" might suggest something slightly different though.}

23 Jul 2021 17:47:17
There was talk of it being 16 at first too.
Its always nice to wear your favourite no but it's not such a big deal and as shappy said he will claim it when cavani leaves.

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23 Jul 2021 18:35:06
There should be no shortage of assists from Sancho, Rashford and Fernsndes. We should be nothing but excited about that front group of players.
Now we need a better midfield set up to maximize the potential.

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{Ed077's Note - you mean Camavinga and Goretzka?;-P}

23 Jul 2021 13:08:50

We have signed Jando Sancho!

We dared to dream, it seemed impossible at one stage but after 12 months, like a knackered old horse, we have dragged it over the line.

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23 Jul 2021 13:01:02
So City allegedly looking to sign Kane. They are doing exactly what we used to do when on top. go out and bring in more top quality to improve the team.

Chelsea have spent a lot of money on good signings during C.V. No doubt they will be doing all they can to sign the very best

Meantime we are likely to lose a world class player in Pogba offset by the signing of a world class Sancho? But our midfield is weak bith creatively and defensively. Our defence needs strengthening too

Being realistic unless we get a couple of surprise signings i think we are looking at a top four finish at best.

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23 Jul 2021 13:43:10
Pogba world class? Maybe 4 times a year.

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23 Jul 2021 13:55:50
Salford Pogba world class do me a favour. He’s flattered to deceive for 5 years. Get rid Good riddance I say. He’s only world class in his own head. Not fit to lace some of our previous midfielders.

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23 Jul 2021 14:21:50
I don't mind losing a world class player who performs every now and then. We need to bring in a DM and Donny probably replaces Pogba.

Welcome Sancho.

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23 Jul 2021 14:44:50
If we sell Pogba, it may be the best thing to come from this window regardless of signing Sancho or Varane.

One of the best midfielders around at the top of his game, however, he's also a total liability at other points. That is not the kind of player we should be aiming to build around any more.

Still have no doubt it'll be Pogba starting wide left on the first day of the season mind you.

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23 Jul 2021 14:48:43
What is this infatuation with Paul Pogba being world class it's just ridiculous. Messi is world class, Ronaldo is world class, Zidane was world class, Brazilian Ronaldo was world class, Maradona was world class to name a few. World class just gets thrown about to much these days.
He's been sh*t for 5 years. end of!
I would drive Paul Pogba to Paris myself and pay the petrol money.
Paul. if you need a lift i have plenty of room in my Volkswagen Tiguan.

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23 Jul 2021 14:54:19
tbh guys, just my opinion but kane is class but has been on the slight decline for 2 seasons. Granted he still can score but he is not the fearsome stiker of 2 seasons ago. Injured more than usual and taking longer to recover I think the risk is too much at the prices mooted.

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23 Jul 2021 14:54:35
Salford, Kane while a top class player would be (if he signs for them) coming in to replace their all time leading goal scorer Sergio Aguero who has left City this summer.

We can argue whether Kane is currently better than Aguero, or a better or worst fit for how City play etc. But it's not like they'd be adding an additional top class player to their squad, just one in one out.

Personally in a odd sort of way I hope they get Kane. City are a top side who go out to sign top players. if they don't get Kane this summer then they will definitely be in the mix for Haaland next summer. Personally I'd be more concerned about them getting Haaland than Kane. While Kane is still probably the better player currently, his injury record along with his age means anyone signing him this summer is likely to get 3 maybe 4 years of top class regular performances from him. If City sign Haaland then they probably have the best out and out striker in the world for the next decade.

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23 Jul 2021 15:11:55
There’s a part of me that wonders if Guardiola will be able to handle the players motivation/ morale/ egos if they sign Kane. What I mean is although a top class signing, it could cause some unrest. Already there are talks of Sterling and a couple of others being used as a swap which could cause some unrest if they don’t want to be used as part of it, players like Jesus, Torres maybe thinking it’s there turn to step up in to Augero’s role. He’s never really had to deal with bringing in what you would expect to be a definite starter on huge wages at either Barcelona or Bayern so managing the dynamics could be interesting.

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23 Jul 2021 15:12:24
Salford with messi Ronaldo kane varane etc . if they all signed under ole top 4 is the best we can hope for.

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23 Jul 2021 18:21:09
Funny isn't it how big teams like PSG Juve Utd and Madrid are quite willing to fork out millions in wages for Pogba. They obv rate him as world class. Watch him shine if he does move to another club who play him in his preferred position.

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{Ed077's Note - Juve pay millions in wages for Ramsey, Man Utd pay above 100k to Phil Jones for crying out loud (as per reports should I add) and RM are financially crippled due to their unwise expenses...

My point is just because "top" teams are interested in a player doesnt make him a World class footballer by default.}

23 Jul 2021 11:19:23
Loving the Shappy count, can I be cheeky and ask for a scrolling banner format.

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{Ed033's Note - The Shappy count is now animated in a typewriter like format.

23 Jul 2021 11:38:49
I'm slightly confused and concerned about it to be honest. I didn't think I wrote that much yesterday, but apparently I wrote nearly 900 words!

which means either I am unaware of just how much I am writing or when I do write a few larger posts I could be tipping a couple of thousand words.

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{Ed001's Note - your previous post alone is 381 Shaps. Don't worry it is not an issue, it was just after all the ribbing you take, I thought it would be interesting to see exactly how many words you do use. It is not a bad thing that you make an effort and try to explain yourself properly. Personally I think it is something to be proud of that you make an effort.}

23 Jul 2021 11:53:31
Ed001, I find it quite funny to be honest. I'm not going to change, I've been writing war and peace on here since it was just the single page. I tend to take everything anyone says to me with a pinch of salt and as good natured banter. I'd imagine anything that wasn't would have been edited out by you guys. Which I'm sure is a laborious task.

If you start taking a banter site about football too seriously then you probably need to step back for some perspective.

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{Ed001's Note - good lad, as I said that site wouldn't be the same without you mate. I dread to think how I will fill my time when you finish studenting and get a job! The one thing I can say about you is that you are never nasty or bitchy, even though you do often seem to be the one of the end of a large amount of the jokes. That is a rare thing, to be able to take a joke and not take it to heart. Though it must be said, I think you are a much-loved member of the page, and I don't think anyone would really want you to change, no matter how many jokes they make.}

23 Jul 2021 12:04:40
Well said, Ed001. Whether you agree with Shaps or not, I always respect that he writes articulately, and sets out the reasons for his points of view, rather than just spouting out tired, ill-thought out clichés.

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{Ed001's Note - exactly mate. We could do with a lot more people like him online, it would make it a much more pleasant place!}

23 Jul 2021 12:05:24
Maybe I'm biased because I am somewhat prone to writing walls of text myself, or because I agree with you more often than not, but I always appreciate the thought that goes into your posts Shappy.

I'd rather read a well thought out wall of text than a simple statement with no explanation or justification for the opinion expressed.

If someone says they think player x sucks or player y is underrated, I want to know why they think that, it gives me something to think about, maybe even change my opinion.

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{Ed001's Note - agreed Thorne. It is much better when they explain.}

23 Jul 2021 12:50:33
Well done ed001.think you got him to add a good 1000 or so words there!

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{Ed001's Note - I don't think he needs my help to do that!}

23 Jul 2021 13:39:53
I may not always agree with him but I think Shappy is number one poster.

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23 Jul 2021 13:47:57
Shapps is a good lad. Feel sorry for his uni professor's who have to read his dissertations.

I used to use the 'shappy is typing. ' on whatsapp as a 20 minute oven timer.

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23 Jul 2021 15:23:41
If you wait long enough you will agree with him ajh. Shappy comes full circle on everything eventually.
Im with James Mc. As we know him personally and spent time in his company.
Not only he is a good poster he is a good person with good morals.
Sure he would argue black is white and then the following day that white is black and contradicts himself continuously but that's what happens when you have an opinion on absolutly everything.
When he stops being a student and at the age of 34 it has to happen sometime no prospective employer would put up with the waffle so when shappy joins the employed brigade we should see a more consise style.
I would hasten to add whomever shappy does get employed by will be getting a good man.
Some folk you can trust others you can't and shappy is one of those you can trust, not withstanding his propensity to waffle.
Top guy and a good friend.

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23 Jul 2021 16:07:52
Shappy,

Finished your thesis yet?

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23 Jul 2021 17:05:39
Jonny, not even started it yet. Complications in my life over the past year means I've deferred it until next year. Which gives me plenty of time to write long posts on here in preparation.

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23 Jul 2021 18:01:04
Come on fella you don't need practise😚.

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Bob Paisley

23 Jul 2021 10:02:25
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Bob Paisley

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23 Jul 2021 08:30:07
According to various reports pogba has rejected our contract offer and expressed his desire to move on. hopefully now the club shows some sense and sells him this summer! To keep him hostage as ed002 has said doesn't make any sense either commercially or football wise. Offload him for a few Quid now if possible rather than letting him walk next year and have to put up with the constant media fallout in the meantime.

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23 Jul 2021 09:16:54
Frankly I'm confused as to why the club even contemplate a new contract. Having previously stated his desire to be elsewhere why is he still here? Bizarre.

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23 Jul 2021 09:42:50
Just get rid once and for all. Spend the money and a decent central midfielder like Goretzka. Sick and tired of this Paul Pogba circus.

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23 Jul 2021 10:11:17
In an ideal world someone would have an honest conversation with Pogba and understand what he wants (stay on big money/ leave for PSG/ leave for Juventus) and then work together to achieve that goal. Keeping him if he does not want to be here will kick us long term as we will receive no fee for him and potentially you get a player who is not fully committed in his final year. If possible the club need this to happen as soon as possible and not get too greedy in the process.
Once that happens they should trust the management team and scouts that they could adequately replace Pogba, either with more responsibility for Van Dyke or by bringing another player in. On the whole I think the players brought in recently have been the right ones (certainly the right positions) so have faith that this will happen again. Also, just because we paid £80+ for Pogba we are not losing a player that currently is worth that much to the team. reality is that with good scouting he can be replaced with a good sensible purchase.

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23 Jul 2021 10:12:52
Swap deal with Varane?

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23 Jul 2021 11:00:43
I think what we are seeing with Pogba and Raiola is a player and agent who have now priced themselves out of a dream move to Real Madrid or a romantic move back to Juventus. Every time they accepted a ridiculous contract from United they moved further away to the move I think everyone knows Pogba wanted. It would seem PSG is the only realistic move for him this summer in terms of a club that will offer him the wages he wants and pay a fee United would accept. If Pogba goes to PSG it's another club he'll be playing for but doesn't really have the desire to play for and his ''peak age'' playing career will be with 2 clubs where his heart has never really been into. If he goes there this summer and gives them 3 years he'll be 31 by the time he potentially makes his next move, would he still get one of the 2 moves he wants at that age? I think it is fair to say Ronaldo is a exception to the rules before people use him as an example.

Now he could go on a free next summer which would allow clubs to offer him a larger contract but he will be 29 and there are a lot of very good younger midfielders who would be cheaper and also offer longer term prospects. De Jong, Bissouma, Groetzka, Kimmich, Locatelli and Camavinga for example and no doubt a few I have missed.

I would take £50M for him this summer, think with Pogba gone, the balance of the starting 11 is better with the personnel we have and considering we have only had a handful of great games from Pogba, I don't think we are losing much if he leaves. Pogba leaving also doesn't change the fact we need a defensive or more disciplined minded CM. For me, if Neves was available for £35M I'd go for him. I think he would be similar to when we got Carrick in, not the traditional defensive midfielder everyone wants but a disciplined CM who can keep possession and link the defence and attack. Hopefully VDB will get more chances as well with Pogba moved on.

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23 Jul 2021 11:35:09
It's a situation complicated by the people who run the club. On one hand he has said he wants to leave, but then many players have said that to their clubs only to happily sign a new deal on larger terms than they were previously offered. Keane and Rooney have done that in the past, while we did once hold discussions with Ramos's agent when he told Real Madrid he wanted to leave 4-5 years ago.

So it's not always a case of a player really wanting to leave even when they say they do.

While apparently Pogba has been an ideal player in training, working hard, in good spirits and doesn't bad mouth the club. So it's not like he's acting out to force a move.

Yet I think it is clear he wants to try something different and in an ideal world the club would have facilitated a move. While they might not have been fully happy with the offers they were made from other clubs, the response should have been to open up negotiations rather than refuse to discuss it. Like we have seen with the clubs attempts to sign players from other clubs they seem to have this mentality that they can bully clubs and players to do what they want. Which in reality has never really worked out well for the club.

Pogba should have left a couple of season's ago, while the clubs stance has caused the total breakdown of a relationship with one of the worlds top agents. Possibly removing the option to sign players attached to Mino. Players like Donnarumma, De Ligt, Haaland, Verratti, Gravenberch, Malen, Thuram and many more. While Mino's actions contribute to the issue, it would be foolish to consider our club devoid of any responsibility to the current bad blood between them. It takes two to argue.

Hopefully the club can do the right thing and let Pogba leave this summer, PSG according to reports look like a possible destination, while I'd imagine some sort of deal could be fashioned with Juventus, although I'd expect it would need to involve a player or two in swap. The rumours that we seems to be inquiring about multiple midfielders suggests that we might see one leaving this summer.

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23 Jul 2021 12:00:51
Rumour is that PSG have to shift some players to make space and get pogba in: wouldn't mind icardi if he is a possibility and the the funds from, periera, lingard, dalot to bring in midfielder say neves. That along with the sancho, varane deals would be a pretty decent window.

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23 Jul 2021 12:34:34
Funky, I wouldn't go anywhere near Icardi. He's a good player no doubt, but his Misses/ agent/ pain in everyone's ass will come along with him.

There are a few players I'd take from PSG, sadly I doubt they would be prepared to include players like Mbappe or Marquinhos. On the whole I don't think player swaps are a good idea, rarely do both sides really benefit from them.

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23 Jul 2021 12:35:24
Prisoners demand Pizza

maybe we could look to a similar sort of deal for our 'hostage'.

Just keep the ransom away from Luke Shaw.

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