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18 Feb 2025 20:09:46
Does anyone here genuinely think we could get relegated? Have a look at our run of games till the end of the season šŸ˜¬.

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18 Feb 2025 21:54:35
It is possible.

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18 Feb 2025 21:54:58
Could happen. Iā€™ve looked at our games and only see 3 wins. At home to Ipswich, wolves and West Ham. And to be honest Iā€™m not confident in any of those. The rest of the games I think we will lose. Yes those below us need to win but if they string a couple together then we could be in deep ****.

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18 Feb 2025 23:49:37
Fortunately however poor we are, a few below us are even more woeful. Southampton are goners. Don't get me wrong I think we can definitely drop another place but I don't see Leicester or Ipswich suddenly turning it on either. If we beat any of that bunch in our head to head games that'll see them off. Those are fast becoming our cup finals!

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18 Feb 2025 18:58:00
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Shappy has written an article entitled, Main Reasons Manchester United Are Not Effective

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18 Feb 2025 21:56:22
I admire your optimism Shappy but finishing 15th or 16th is not the start of a process to a title winning team. Itā€™s flirting with relegation.

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18 Feb 2025 22:25:41
Good article Shappy. Well said.

It is what it is and I don't really see any alternative than to stick with Amorim. If not him, who?

There's ups and there's downs. I'm just enjoying the ride.

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{Ed025's Note - i dont think "enjoyment" is the right word MM..

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18 Feb 2025 14:24:32
I said back in January - if we didnā€™t sign a striker we would be in serious hot water especially if we got more injuries. Exactly what has happened with Diallo now out. Bruno canā€™t be expected to score every game, so I will repeat - we are in a relegation scrap!

My only hope is that maybe Obi Martin plays more and hits the ground running like other young players have done in the past. Bizarrely he could end up being our saviour of the seasonā€¦.

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18 Feb 2025 18:38:21
Bruno doesn't score every games, he has 5 goals in 25 games this season and is on penalties.

The only way this team will start scoring is to get more attack minded players onto the pitch.

At the moment with 5 defenders and 2 centre mids and no goalscoring attackers in the squad ( we let our only goalscorer go to Aston villa)

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18 Feb 2025 18:42:55
I agree with the no striker part. But I donā€™t believe we are in a relegation part. And not because I believe United are too good. Far from it, I canā€™t see any game where we get a win unless something very lucky happens.

Itā€™s because I donā€™t see the bottom 3 teams getting enough points to catch us. Sad state none the less.

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18 Feb 2025 19:55:01
Bruno is capable of scoring and is too far from the opposition goal. With Amad out he needs to go back to no.10. Garnacho is a poor finisher. Hojlund doesn't get into position and neither does Zirkzee. Play Collyer with Ugarte. We already have issues progressing the ball. Bruno isn't particularly good at that anyway.

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18 Feb 2025 20:13:08
The wingbacks are there to attack when we are in possession you seen many times against spurs dorgu was there 8/ 10 times for the overlapping pass but as usual these players donā€™t play the right pass

The issue is not having 5 defenders we created enough chances to win but our lack of composure from bang average forwards is why we donā€™t score

There are shocking infront of goal.

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18 Feb 2025 11:12:31
So according to Mr romano, the club will spend big in the summer, with many signings and outgoings planned.

If we can just hold out until then and get some type of form together to avoid a relegation scrap. We could potentially see Amorim get in the correct players and show what he can really do.

Even fergie would struggle with this squad so I see the doom and gloom as a bit premature. The league position is unacceptable but I unlike some, like that amorim is sticking to his guns.

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18 Feb 2025 11:56:05
Yet according to numerous reports, money is tight and we wonā€™t have a large budget to spend. The truth probably lies in the middle, hopefully we get a few out and some in especially in key positions. Weā€™ve been fed huge summer transfers for years and they havenā€™t materialised. Iā€™d take it all with a huge pinch of salt.

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18 Feb 2025 12:20:22
The biggest issue is we have the worst forwards in the league

If we actually had a striker Iā€™m not so sure we would be talking about most of the issues as much but having the forwards we do is a major issue they do not score and they donā€™t offer much off the ball either espiclly Hojland he is the worst of the lot sure itā€™s something like 0 goals in his last 14 games

Yet who do we have to replace him? A 17 year old kid

Who ever thought it was a good idea not to get in a forward needs asking why our next 2 games are massive.

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18 Feb 2025 12:46:48
In my opinion that 17 year old kid canā€™t do any worse than Rasmus, even winning one header would contribute more than Rasmusā€¦.

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18 Feb 2025 14:58:04
It really depends on how many players are sold, but reports suggest that selling Rashford alone could enable up to Ā£200 million in purchases, assuming a 5-year contract for new signings.

Selling Rashford for Ā£40 million provides immediate cash flow, but itā€™s the amortization of new signings that could allow for up to Ā£200 million in purchases. The transfer fee is spread over the length of the player's contract, so instead of paying Ā£200 million upfront, the club would amortize, for example, Ā£40 million per year over five years. This helps manage financial impact while staying compliant with PSR rules.

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18 Feb 2025 15:44:11
This is were our dear ED002 (RiP) would have said something like 'it doesn't work like that'

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18 Feb 2025 15:58:54
Agreed mbd!

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18 Feb 2025 16:49:14
Once they offload a lot of wages.

Sancho, rashford to be sold for definite.

A lot of rumours about greenwood going to PSG, that will give us a nice boost too.

There should be a good bit for money in the kitty.

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18 Feb 2025 17:33:55
Who knows what will happen, but what I do know is that it's in Fabrizio's interest to say we will spend big this summer. That means he can link us with dozens of players and get lots of interaction across his various social media platforms and make his millions.

Given how many United fans there are worldwide it would very bad for his business to say that we won't spend much or sign players. So like always I'll take what he says with a pinch of salt.

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18 Feb 2025 19:46:14
I am sure we want to spend big this summer, I am sure we want to move a lot of players on, and if we manage to do the latter then we might well do the former.

I do however have little faith that we will be able to mice on as many as we would like for the price we want and without paying in part the overinflated wages we have given these players.

The mess is entirely of Uniteds making and sadly for Amorim I fear that he will be hamstrung with his attempts to reach his goals until the one thing that sort the mess out time. Time for the contracts to runndown, time for the previous three years piss poor spending to come off the calculations and actually free up cash on the balance sheet to be able to spend.

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18 Feb 2025 20:34:32
Romano must have been up all night working that scoop out!

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18 Feb 2025 09:35:36
So Casemiro wants to see out his contract. who knew giving aging footballers huge wages and one last pay day would be a bad idea. This is the problem we have. Shifting a lot of these will be damn near impossible, they're on a cushy number and they know it. If the rumours are true and our budget is small then we can only hope that our youngsters can make the step up, as we are going to need them big time.

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18 Feb 2025 12:13:39
Yep unless we cut him a nice fat check for him to go.

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18 Feb 2025 07:39:05
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17 Feb 2025 22:58:22
Interesting to read all your opinions about why the team is failing. The commonest thread is the lack of quality and poor recruitment of the past. That cannot be a fault laod at the current managers door.

For whatever reason he wasn't able to sign the players he wants and needs in sufficient quantity in the last window. He really deserves at least the opportunity to get his own players in and have a year with them befpe being judged.

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18 Feb 2025 00:24:02
Liverpool fan here.

That's fair enough Salford Amorim doesn't have the squad he needs to play the way he wants. but how much time do you give him? It's unlikely but if you did lose against Everton and Ipswich relegation is a real threat.

I appreciate he wants to play his way and injuries haven't helped, but he needs to pick up some points and the current set up just doesn't seem to be working for this group at all.

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18 Feb 2025 05:46:02
That's just way too much common sense. let's keep doing what we have been doing and lose some more. Philosophy over results.

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18 Feb 2025 08:54:26
We did not deserve to lose against Spurs. Injuries cost us. And poor finishing. Garnachoā€™s miss was appalling. Martinez, Mainoo, Ugarte, Amad would have made a difference. Relegation will not happen.

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18 Feb 2025 09:18:22
Agree with Bmena red. Yes it mainly the players and he hasnā€™t had any signings but there comes a point where you have to change something, especially if things continue as they are. For all the bravado that we wonā€™t go down, the facts are itā€™s a real possibility and if we continue to lose and fall closer to the relegation zone the club have a decision to make. Get rid or keep doing the same things and go down. Call it short term thinking but reality is we cannot afford the drop it would make a terrible financial situation even worse. Philosophy is all well and good but right now RA philosophy is taking us to the championship. I donā€™t want him sacked, I want him to get to the summer and get the squad shaped how he wants, however if we are under threat of relegation then all of that goes out the window. Harsh but true.

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18 Feb 2025 09:35:55
Jap Stam was right about them.

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18 Feb 2025 10:49:37
I don't think the players are as bad as everyone thinks. Look at Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth, all doing well. There is something deeply wrong within our club and that is translating onto the pitch.

Years of amateurish mismanagement, bow compounded by SJR and his cuts.

Jose, Ole, and ETH all. had 1 very solid season, and then all fell. off a cliff. Someone explain that to me.

Martial Antony, and Scott all doing really well now they have left, someone explain that to me.

I have no answers.

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18 Feb 2025 11:14:26
Ajh you should probably leave Martial out of this one. It's the Greek league you plum.

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18 Feb 2025 11:58:24
Ajh itā€™s like the club is a giant black hole, sucking the life out of everything that enters. Thatā€™s how it feels anyway. Players, managers, coaches all with the same outcome. Maybe somebody cursed us šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ˜‚.

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18 Feb 2025 12:08:16
Patrick

That's the first time we have had an injury crisis. This season compared to last has been a cake walk so let's not find an excuse as people said last year when we really had an injury crisis. spurs have their own injury issues too.

I understand going through a change and honest to god I give RA an A+ for his ability to talk and want him to succeed. However, I am getting more convinced game after game he is not going to make it no matter how charming, honest and convincing he is in his interviews. I think we are in more quiet a few very embarrassing results and Tonking.

I did not watch the second half at spurs as the first half was all I could stomach.

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18 Feb 2025 12:16:14
What is the point in getting him in to try and suit the players that have failed in multiple systems previously

How great did we do playing 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 wake up and realise there is limits to what some of these players can do.

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18 Feb 2025 12:55:23
People banging on about systems is just stupid, I have said for 3 years the players are not good enough and the ones added in last 3 years are worse then what we had
Ok de gea was on decline, but still better than this clown
Deligt is a cart horse no better than McGuire
Strikers well they are not worthy of the name
Yoro Iā€™m hoping but honestly see nothing yet to convince me
Ugarte runs about, but slowly and passing poor, So did Fred do same but with more energy
Mainoo stagnant and not got legs anyway
Garnacho woeful finisher
Itā€™s all come home to roost at once, so letā€™s not look for excuses blaming systems, no system in the world will make any of our strikers strikers, no system will make Garnacho score when he clean throughā€¦. they just not good enoughā€¦end off.

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18 Feb 2025 17:52:53
German, I don't think our players are quite as bad as many people make out.

I think for many reasons they struggle to play at their best for us.

For some it's the pressure, for others the system or style of play doesn't suit them or get the best out of them, others have issues off the pitch, while some just don't have the talent or mentality to be a top player at a top side.

The benefit of moving towards having a clear style of play, a system, is that it's repeatable and consistent. Given the demands of elite football now very few sides are successful without having a system that they play. Gone are the days where you could win the league with 78 points, typically you need 88-90 points to have a chance of winning the league now. To get that kind of consistency you need a clear system for your team.

The other option is to build around a few key individuals, to try and get the best out of your most talented players. We've seen previous managers try this (often after failing to get the team to play their system) . We've had sides built around, Zlatan, Ronaldo, Rashford and Bruno in recent years. Liverpool did the same for many years with Gerrard.

The problem with building around a couple of key players is that your performance as a team is entirely dependent on the form of one or two players.

If we want to be successful again then we need to stop trying to just buy great individual players and trying to crowbar them into the side, build around the one or two that manage to cobble together some kind of form and hope that they can carry us to titles.

We need to move toward having a clear style, a repeatable system that we can play and perform at a similar level regardless of who starts each game. Then we might see the kind of consistency in performances that is needed to sustain a serious title challenge.

The problem with this squad isn't entirely a lack of talent, but many of them just aren't capable or suitable to play the system the manager wants (they were also unable to play previous managers systems as well) .

The issue we have to get through is that the problem with having a clear system is that the team performance relies on everyone in the system doing their job/ role within it. If they don't then it leaves holes in the team for the opposition to exploit.

I'm confident that we will see a much better team and performances at the start of next season after we've managed to both mould the squad to be more suitable for what Amorim wants, as well as them having a full pre-season to fully get to grips with the system.

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18 Feb 2025 20:20:08
The players sre bad TH destroyed UTD surely won't make the same mistake with this flavor of the month hipster manager giving him hundreds of millions to waste on players for a system that probably won't work in a tough league like England never learn UTD Southgate wouldve been a better appointment but not sexy enough for UTD fans needs a foreign name.

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18 Feb 2025 21:02:00
Ahmad Iā€™m not looking for excuses. Those players missing would definitely have made a difference. We created chances but poor finishing again cost us. Spurs had players returning which helped them.
Neither of the two will get relegated. Both mid table.
Pleased with the lwb! Put a shift in and can cross a ball!
Still early days with Amorin. Is he responsible for the poor passing, poor finishing, poor thinking?
Jeez, the money spent .

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17 Feb 2025 22:42:03
Thoughts on Neville? Iā€™m not so sure anymore.

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18 Feb 2025 08:55:27
I think he is too old to play Amz.

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18 Feb 2025 09:38:01
good shout- faster than maguire and de ligt and fitter and more reliable than Shaw but still think he is only good for last 20 mins off the bench.

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18 Feb 2025 10:48:54
Underrated player, one of the best RB's in EPL history. Very hit and miss as a pundit.

When he focuses on the football on the pitch he's good, when he starts to give his opinions on what is happening off the pitch it becomes very mixed. Either he is saying somethings to get a reaction and to be controversial or he is unable to speak without bias. I've seen him contradict himself so many times under different managers based on how he feels about that manager.

Like many pundits, he was better before he became too big.

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18 Feb 2025 11:53:28
Haha.

Agreed Shappy. It is probably best to keep him off United games.

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18 Feb 2025 12:57:14
Neville should not do United games same as Carragher should not do scousers games, itā€™s ridiculous, them being co commentators on there own teams, both so biased itā€™s untrueā€¦.

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18 Feb 2025 15:17:52
I often wonder what it would have been like if these types of pundits were tearing apart performances from Maldini, Zidane and the like. I don't like any of them.

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17 Feb 2025 13:35:30
As expected, with the midfield options we had, we were often overrun. Spense completely Skinned Mazraoui time and again. Despite being largely unprotected our defense conceded only one goal. We also had some periods of dominance and had many good chances. Garnacho should have scored once if not twice, and brought out 2 decent saves. There were a few other decent chances.

It's not the system, it's the personnel. We are generally too slow in midfield and defense. We have a forward line led by a CF who can't shield the ball effectively, is a poor passer, and often makes the wrong runs. When we do have chances we do not convert. We lack pace all over the field. We're simply not incisive and there's a complete lack of confidence. We do not have a leader on the field. For all his faults Maguire would be better than Bruno.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

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17 Feb 2025 16:09:27
But we were never this poor under ten Hag, OGS, LVG and Jose. The league position never lies.

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17 Feb 2025 16:34:43
You canā€™t win much with clown of a GK
Very slow ponderous CBs
De ligt is poor mazaroui is poor Mc Guire is slow
Midfield even when Mainoo in there got no legs, Ugarte not even good enough all too slow
Garnacho awful finisher and Rasmus is diabolical as a striker as is Zirkee

So with that spine you donā€™t have cat in hells chance in the EPL

New GK better CBs midfield with legs and striker who can actually hold the ball up win a header once in a while, got a brain make the right run not always on his heels and can hit a barn door would be great start! Thatā€™s a hell of a lot required before you get cover for them, so going to be tough 2-3 years if we are lucky!

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17 Feb 2025 21:02:59
Agreed with most but I think De Ligt and Mazraoui are good players. We need another CB for sure but a better CM and a better GK are far higher priorities. We need a better striker and a really incisive no. 10.

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17 Feb 2025 21:54:06
So many of the players just not good enough unfortunately- years of terrible recruitment and awarding silly contracts to ā€œprotect player valueā€.

Really painful at the moment but am optimistic clear out will continue in the summer, as well as bringing in new players, plus a few youth stars as well.

Rumours (completely unfounded! ) of:

Quenda at RWBack (Dalot surely had to go; not suited to new system or intelligent enough to adapt)

Inacio Left CB

Ederson CM

Rigg CM/ AM

Samu (Porto) striker

SURELY need to upgrade GK also - too unpredictable and error-prone.

Just need to avoid being relegated in the meantimeā€¦.

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18 Feb 2025 06:37:48
Interestingly the McFred and Bruno midfield 3 that we all slated for years was better than the current squad. Weā€™ve slowly downgraded every season over the years, sleeping our way into 1516th, and who knows maybe lowerā€¦

Relegation is a reality if one of the clubs below us find some form. Wolves have it in them to fight their way up.

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18 Feb 2025 06:57:46
Yes Don they maybe good, but Iā€™m saying not good enough, Mazaroui canā€™t pass a ball 10 yards his positioning is not the greatest and he is quite easily beaten man to man, back up player at best, would never get in Liverpool or Arsenal, City teamā€¦
Deligt just too slow gone backwards over past few years, slow to react, never on front foot, he is Dutch equivalent to McGuire.
For me necessity is GK not this clown and please god a decent Striker, CB and a decent midfielder thatā€™s just for starters all but the GK need some pace and legs but that new spine is a start and will make us loads better, not world beaters by any means but maybe challenge for top 6, to get back anywhere near top we need miles more.
But looks like with the only signing that made by RA (like to think was his choice) he is going for power and pace, so that bodes well, but the flip side it shows that most of our starting 11 are not suited to RA Iā€™m struggling to think who in our squad actually processes power and pace, we have a very slow ponderous squad.
Garnacho got pace but awful finisher and no power
Rasmus supposedly got pace, but no brain no aerial ability no hold up play and canā€™t hit a barn door and certainly is as weak as wet paper bag!
Could go on but whatā€™s the point, we all know in reality itā€™s an awful squad of playersā€¦.
One caveat and 1 mistake I think RA made is on Sunday, he should have given Obi at least 20 mins, after all getting zilch out of Rasmus, so hardly been any worse!
I always said SJR was a terrible choice, but he here now so thatā€™s end of that, we just have to hope he somehow gets 4 or 5 starters in in the summer and it needs to be early, if itā€™s only1 or 2 in we are in serious trouble next season.

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18 Feb 2025 09:46:10
Hi German, can I ask you why you think SJR was a terrible choice? Like a lot of people I thought anyone but the glazers got to be positive on the football side and when he talked about the dream team in place at top of the tree with all football men I was cautiously optimistic . what made you sceptical from the start?

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18 Feb 2025 10:59:19
We were no where near good enough for the team we want to be against Spurs, but I agree that it wasn't entirely awful.

We did create some good chances, but just failed to finish them, Spurs were more dominant but didn't overly look dangerous, certainly they didn't have many great chances to score. Considering everything the team had to cope with it wasn't a terrible performance and we can probably say we were unlucky to lose, even if we didn't probably do enough to deserve to win.

It does seem like luck has totally abandoned us right now. We had three half chances in the space of 40 seconds before Spurs scored. There was a pinball situation in the Spurs box but it never quite fell for any of our players. The ball bouncing off of players left right and centre but never falling in a good position for one of our players.

Maybe you'd right that off under normal circumstances, but a minute later the same thing happened at the other end in our box with the ball falling at the feet of Maddison with him 4 yards out and our keeper on the floor with the goal at his mercy. We all know how that ended.

That highlighted that luck was seemingly against us there, unlucky both that the ball never fell for us, yet presented Spurs with a tap in.

A draw on the balance of play would have been a fair result, and there are a few things that can be taken away from the game where we could see some good things starting to take shape. It's just a long process, it needs time.

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18 Feb 2025 13:10:39
Agreed Shappy, but the ball never falls to our players because they always so static and on there heels all the time like Martial was reacts after the event thatā€™s not having a brain, Maddison goal perfect example he gambled on our clown not pushing it out of danger area and bang goal, you hardly ever see our players gamble so when itā€™s pin ball they stand static, proper players take a gamble!
Burden, reason I think SJR was a terrible fit and all the claptrap about being his club, months before Chelsea was his club, but more than that look at ineos the Grenadier being prime example, itā€™s done on a shoestring, bought a factory in France of all places to build them because it was cheap, paid no attention to terrible work force and rules regulations, built a vehicle for the commercial trade that did not even meet HMRC standards for commercials so had to return huge amounts of deposits, promised something superior thatā€™s turned out to be a lame duck! Then look at Nice! Enough said on them!
Live in Monaco I wonder why! Wonā€™t go into that yes wise maybe but everyone knows why.
Now look at United, everything always done on the cheap. For someone who made a fortune I am flabbergasted howā€¦ thatā€™s my personal reasons why I never thought he was good fit, thatā€™s before we even get to 0.1% right hand man!
Glazers must have thought it was Christmas when he rocked up with that dealā€¦ā€¦ but he here, the crap players are here, so letā€™s see what happens in the summer, if itā€™s as bad as January, then we got serious problems.

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17 Feb 2025 12:51:44
I see a lot of negative reactions to Yesterday's game. In my unbiased opinion that was the best United have played in a while. Many people were more positive when you were playing much worse but on another day you guys would have scored 3 or 4 Yesterday. that's was the 1st time in a while you created many chances and looked balanced, missing so many players to injury didn't help but I actually thought utd played really well overall Yesterday which is worrying! I think Amorim will eventually bring you back to where you belong if he is backed. (Liverpool fan)

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17 Feb 2025 13:31:41
I saw a couple of games at the beginning of the season where we player much better, created more, didn't finish and ETH was sacked. West Ham is a perfect example of that.

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17 Feb 2025 17:24:15
I read an article today that said eths win percentage this season was at 30% and Amorims across all comps 48%. No idea if itā€™s accurate but eth looked closer to the top on points purely because we had played fewer games and the players were bought specifically for his style and at huge cost. Itā€™s not worked yet but itā€™s easy to forgot how quickly we were dropping under eth after a further 200m.

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17 Feb 2025 18:08:53
Sorry 43%.

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18 Feb 2025 07:03:39
I personally think the football was even worse under ETH that rivalled LVG pace of football. Yes itā€™s still slow and we are not winning but we cried out for a style and identity well love it or hate it RA is trying to implement exactly that a style of play, surely anyone with a brain would realise to change direction totally was never happening overnight over a month or half a season, even if we had better players to make such a drastic change would take months.
It will be down to SJR on how well RA does, if he gives him the tools to do his job, I am not confident of that happening but letā€™s hope it doesā€¦.

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