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03 Apr 2020 09:28:49
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03 Apr 2020 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 3rd April 2020

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02 Apr 2020 19:40:52
Kahn Maldini inesta Keane Messi
A 5 a side team only one player per country
And myself as a sub.
Anyone do better than that.
Sorry lads I'm a bit bored.

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02 Apr 2020 20:26:05
Peter Schmeichel
Cristiano Ronaldo
Eric Cantona
Bobby Charlton
George Best

Ryan Giggs on bench.

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02 Apr 2020 22:02:13
Banks

Ferdinand

Gerrard

Ronaldinho

Lewandowski.

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02 Apr 2020 22:07:15
Forgot the one player per country but, here goes again.

Van Der Sar

Maldini

Scholes

Cantona

Rush.

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02 Apr 2020 23:27:15
Khan

Maldini

Scholes

Ronaldo (Brazil)

Henry.

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03 Apr 2020 01:22:23
Big Pete

Scholes

R Carlos

Messi

Ronaldo (Portugese)

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03 Apr 2020 07:30:25
Schmeichel
Beckenbauer
Robson
Ronaldinho
Maradonna.

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03 Apr 2020 09:02:05
Edwin van der Sar
Rio Ferdinand
Zindine Zidane
Ronaldinho
Cristiano Ronaldo.

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02 Apr 2020 14:47:39
Do we have any readers (including Eds) that can recommend any good football books to read. Recently read a really good book called "Soccernomics" which gives a really good insight to how football really works. Highly recommended.

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{Ed002's Note - I almost never read football books but would recommend "The Greatest Footballer You Never Saw - The Robin Friday Story" (because it is a good story) and "Third Lanark - Life and Death of the Hi Hi" (because they are on the come back trail).

02 Apr 2020 17:23:08
I don't know much about soccer books but for the few autobiographies i have read. However, I did chance upon a series, 'Sunderland till I die' and in the absence of footy, it is a good watch, even more so for black cat fans.

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02 Apr 2020 17:34:53
Soccernomics is brilliant as is 'Inverting the Pyramid'. Zlatan's biography is brilliant cause the bloke is nuts. Also The Mixer is great for Premier League nostalgia. And Ancelotti's biography is fantastic to read- bloke exudes knowledge and confidence.

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02 Apr 2020 19:38:06
Keane’s second book is pretty good, heled me see a different side to him.

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02 Apr 2020 20:54:33
Tottenham the PL glory days

Oh wait.

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03 Apr 2020 04:13:03
Robin Friday the English George best, absolute legend.

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02 Apr 2020 14:30:16
With the Belgian league deciding to end things early not seeing a game played before June 30th youd imagine other leagues will now follow suit by also ending their respective leagues.

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{Ed002's Note - I would not make any such assumption.}

02 Apr 2020 22:51:57
The Belgian league had 1 game to go, its a little different.

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01 Apr 2020 22:37:34
Hope you boys watched The George Best documentary tonight, All by Himself.

For me the greatest ever, at least for that short period of time.
A true superstar, flawed genius. Still gutted he's gone.

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01 Apr 2020 22:52:23
Absolute Genius. Ronaldo and Messi wouldn’t of lasted 5 mins back in the 60’s. Could you imagine how good he would of been with no drinking, better footballs better piches and 10 times fitter. By far my favourite player to watch. Just wish I could of seen him live. Simply the BEST.

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01 Apr 2020 23:05:34
He was rubbish in the first half of his debut. But in the second half we got a glimpse of what was to come! What did Sir Matt say to him at half time?

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02 Apr 2020 17:13:55
I disagree BR. Messi and Ronaldo would still have had made impacts on the game.

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02 Apr 2020 18:03:08
Funny how people only ever want to mention his greatness and ignore the fact that he wasted so much of his talent and career.
He is literally one of the worst examples to show a kid growing up all the skill but where was the will.
Modern greats like Ronaldo and Messi on a different level I'm not doubting the talent but the application.

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02 Apr 2020 18:49:19
With respect mnk397. When Best was playing he was practically the first superstar footballer. A young lad from the back streets of Belfast, overnight thrown into the limelight, the 5th Beatle they called him. There is no doubting that he could and should have helped himself but the club should have had a better duty of care, but then again they probably hadn't experienced anything like it before either. Best didn't have an Alex Ferguson breaking up parties like with Giggs and giving him a bollocking. You only have to look at some of the footage of the amount of press and hangers on that followed him everywhere. It must have been like living in a gold fish bowl. Anyway, for me still the most talented player ever, despite him flaws. It wasnt his fault he was such a handsome devil 😉.

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01 Apr 2020 21:51:41
Is it just me or is anybody else feeling slightly appalled with the news Spurs and Newcastle have furloughed their non-playing staff amid the uncertainty of the corona virus pandemic, effectively condemning most to a significant pay cut and relying on the Government to now pay their wages.

This news leaves me feeling queasy and questioning the morality of our game. With the star players and the prawn sandwich brigade continuing to rake in millions what does it say about a Club that claims it can no longer afford to pay its poorest staff?

No doubt the world will eventually recover from this virus but what will be the human cost.

Football is the people's game, it brings us joy and distraction from everyday life but it should never forget its roots. It should never turn it's back or forget it's life's blood and will do so at its peril.

In times of crisis we get to see people's true colours. We have people dying in our hospitals, brave health care professionals working around the clock desperately trying to save lives, whilst risking their own, millions of others are unable to work, businesses are going bust and many people are being pushed towards poverty all whilst owners, directors, managers and players of some of our biggest football clubs continue to live in their bubble, protected by their wealth and status. Now we have two of our most famous Clubs claiming they can no longer afford to pay their poorest staff and relying on government assistance. With the enormous wealth in the game at the highest level how can this be right?

I hope at Man Utd we don't go down the same route. I hope we have the moral courage and strength of character to continue to pay all staff their full wages until this crisis is over. I hope the players recognise this and accept pay reductions if necessary, if we have to forgo our transfer budget to ensure all members of staff are protected and valued then it must be done. We must show at Man Utd that every single person is valued and respected right down from the ticket office to the highest paid player. We must come out from this crisis united with our morality in check. The Club must recognise that its entire staff are important and in a world where millions are suffering it did what it could to look after its own. That's the least it can do in these turbulent times.

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01 Apr 2020 22:12:10
Immoral, appalling, unacceptable, ignorant, I could go on. Clubs putting the workers into furlough whilst continuing to pay players £100,000s a week is just unacceptable.

Let’s assume a average salary of £30,000 and the requirement to cover 4 months pay, £7,500. If we take a player who commits £100,000 to the cause the that would cover 13 people for 4 months. Surely players could cover off no-playing staff during this crisis, it’s not like the top players are going to go hungry is it? A handful of players committing a weeks pay would sort out the non playing staff but it’s not likely to happen is it?

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{Ed004's Note - Havent united already confirmed that they will pay all staff as expected over the next few months for all postponed games and will pay them again if they are eventually played? I dont think it's fair to blame the players. Yes it has been brilliant to see the likes of Howe and other clubs players volunteer to take pay cuts to cover employees wages but it should be the responsibility of the billionaire owners like Ashley and Levy to cover their staffs wages. The furlough was put in to help struggling companies but ofc a few were going to take advantage of the situation and I'm not surprised by the clubs that have taken this action}

01 Apr 2020 23:09:42
DLIB best post I’ve seen in a while. Couldn’t agree more. The Premier League obsession with money is pretty sickening.
Has to be said the government’s job security scheme is highly flawed and wide open for cash rich companies to take advantage of, but seriously some of these clubs have limited morals.

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02 Apr 2020 00:18:48
Ed004 - Of course it should be the responsibility of the owners to treat their staff with compassion and respect but sadly some would rather see other people foot the bill to protect their assets!

This virus does not distinguish between rich or poor. Nobody is immune and everybody is at risk. In a national effort where everybody is being asked to be socially responsible, to self isolate, to help slow the spread of the virus and to protect each other sadly some of our biggest football Clubs seemingly want to absolve their responsibility in order to protect revenue, turning their backs on their employees and expecting the public to foot the bill.

It is my understanding that the government will guarantee 80% of a workers wage up to a maximum of £2500 per month. That means every worker will lose at least 20% of their monthly wage. If the figures in the press are accurate this effects around 550 employees at each Club, for the sake of argument if the Club paid all its workers the maximum £2500 per month each for three months it would cost the Club just over £4.1m over a three month period to keep everyone employed. Are you trying to tell me that saving £4m over a three month period would make a significant difference to the Clubs finances? I just can't understand why Clubs the size of Spurs and Newcastle can't afford to cover their staff wages?

Once again it's the poorest people in society being asked to shoulder the burden of national and international crisis because the rich refuse to share their wealth. Ultimately it will the tax payer that foots the bill whilst football expects the world just to turn a blind eye and continue as normal.

Should we have to potentially stomach watching Spurs spend millions in the transfer market lavishing Mr Mourinho with cash when it couldn't even afford to pay its staff wages!

Football needs to get its house in order and re-evaluate its priorities!

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{Ed004's Note - I couldn't agree more DLIB. It's nice hearing that barcelona players sacrificed an additional 2% of their wages so staff were not out of pocket. However, at the same time, I don't think that should be expected of them. The clubs make enough money and should be expected to cover their own staffs wages}

02 Apr 2020 12:24:51
It's a sad state of affairs and just further goes to show how far removed football clubs are becoming from the people they exist to entertain.

Not that it will ever happen but I wish the FA and the Government would come together and agree some sort of a pact where the FA impose a two window transfer ban on all club's that either lay off staff or take tax payers money to pay them.

If you can't afford to pay your staff then you can't afford to spends millions in the transfer market.

Sadly that will never happen.

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02 Apr 2020 22:47:29
DLIB,

Excellent post there matey.

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01 Apr 2020 17:16:05
Ed 001 would you say Jarrow Bowen's style of play is similar to Dan James?

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{Ed001's Note - I am not sure, I have not seen a lot of him sorry.}

01 Apr 2020 17:27:19
Cheers for the quick reply. I haven't either but a few games during during his time at Hull and one game for the hammers. Think he will be good for them.

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{Ed001's Note - I think so too. More of a goalscorer than James from what I have seen.}

01 Apr 2020 21:08:27
If you guys don't mind me chiming in on this.

From what I've read and seen of Bowen, Ed001 is correct. Think he has a much better eye for goal than James, who at this point is basically a speed demon with not that much else.
Bowen will probably be good for West Ham, but I do think he can get a tad selfish with his shooting in situations where a shot probably isn't the best choice. Again though, he's pretty damn good at scoring goals. Wouldn't call him similar to James.

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02 Apr 2020 13:06:01
Jarrod Bowen stood out in the Championship as a player far too good for that level. It's always hard to tell with players from a lower league if they can step up, although with Bowen as with Bellingham or Kalvin Phillips it is clear that they can play at a much higher level. However, it is where they step up that will be key. If they join a side too high up then they might struggle for game time, if they end up at a club fighting relegation it can be a tough atmosphere to adapt to.

I like Bowen, I even said he could be an outside bet for us in January to add a goalscoring wide player who plays from the right hand side. I wonder how well he will adapt to West Ham under Moyes in a relegation dog fight. Will he be able to adapt his game to a more defensively demanding manager while stepping up against better defenders and keepers? If West Ham are in the EPL next season he could be a good pick for fantasy football players.

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02 Apr 2020 17:18:59
Cheers for the input gents, he will be one of the players I'd watch out for.

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01 Apr 2020 11:11:51
I see that the National League, North and South are suspending their leagues indefinitely and are seeking advice and of course lower than that leagues have been expunged already, do these leagues taking decisions to cancel and indefinitely suspend have any bearing on leagues higher up Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - No, aside from creating a precedent.}

01 Apr 2020 19:36:59
No European league will finish. Wimbledon cancelled today which is last week in june first week in july which again paints a scary picture. Its getting a lot worst in 3-4 weeks an i for one will not be thinking about football at all😞😞.

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