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14 Aug 2020 08:02:42
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13 Aug 2020 22:39:47
The Sancho transfer is now looking increasingly unlikely and with the eye watering finances involved maybe it's time for the Club to draw a line in the sand and look to other options!

I'm not convinced there are many other real quality RW options available so maybe a tweak in formation could be the answer or let Greenwood continue to develop off the right.

I'm not a fan of Ole's preferred 4-2-3-1 formation. I don't think it gets the best out of Pogba and whilst Greenwood has been brilliant on the right I think he can be better utilised more centrally where he doesn't have to chase back into full back positions and he can remain higher up the pitch in and around the box where he is so dangerous. He could obviously continue to play from the right where he has been very effective and maybe the Sancho money could be better invested elsewhere.

I wonder if a midfield diamond or 4-3-1-2 formation could be the solution. Links to Grealish would make sense as he's capable of playing both in a midfield 3 and at No10.

Grealish could also find himself priced out of a move and another midfield option Donny Van Der Beek might represent the smarter choice. Capable of playing at 6,8 or even No10 I think he'd be an excellent signing for a much more palatable transfer fee. A midfield of Matic, Pogba, VdB and Fernandes could be very exciting and has a bit of everything. He can also play in a double pivot where he probably has more quality on the ball than the likes of Fred and Mctominay. He would give Ole plenty of options and is available for a reasonable fee!

I hope the Club don't spend all summer playing senseless mind games with Dortmund and risk missing out on other good options that are available.

On a different note Dayot Upamecano looks some CB. Pace, power, strength, composure and still only 21 he's going to be some player!

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13 Aug 2020 23:23:47
VD Beek has looked quality any time I've seen him, could play in most top tier teams I imagine and "sensibly"priced if there is such a thing.

I saw Upamecano couple of seasons back and looked skinny, tall and lanky and was very raw, like a young Smalling at Fulham - a gamble for a bigger team back then. Now he has grown into a very good player and just 21 - certainly more upper body strength than Smalling has ever had -which has always let him down - and carries the ball really well,

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13 Aug 2020 23:25:23
Upemecano is awesome. We should go all in for him. He would be the backbone of our defence for a long time. If he ends up at City/ Liverpool they will be odds on to win the title again. He is like a young version of Rio and Vidic combined.

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14 Aug 2020 06:12:09
First time I have seen Upemecano play, looks a proper player. Bild reported his release clause as €50 million.
Like de Ligt laat year after performing well in the CL, I can see someone buying him this summer.
Maguire, Lindelof, Upemecano and Mengi as the CBs options doesn't sound too bad.

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13 Aug 2020 19:43:06
Thiago looks like he's heading to Liverpool. Class player who'll only strengthen them. Appreciate he's 29 but €30m looks great business. I'm sure Klopp has given him quite a pitch. Liverpool sadly on the up.

Speaking of Germany does anyone listen to the Phil Brown / Beyond The Pitch podcast? Suggesting Haaland chose Dortmund for football reasons as impressed by their scouting of him, highlighted areas of development and how they'd play him and fine tune his skills etc. Whereas I think United's offer was just a call from Ole. Evidence of the amateur approach that the Eds talk about? Wouldn't be surprised if Bellingham wooed by the same approach.

Got to take your hat off to Dortmund. They've created a business model which has them competing (though largely unsuccessfully) against one of the biggest clubs in the world who dominate their league. Always in the Champs League. Always investing in youth and giving it a chance to shine. And making millions off the back of it.

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{Ed0666's Note - Dortmund had been courting Harland for a long time. They rolled out the red carpet. Also they gave him and his father a very favorable contract for when and if he moves.

13 Aug 2020 22:31:32
Thanks Ed. That red carpet got them a very talented player.

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14 Aug 2020 06:20:37
A lot to admire about the Dortmund set-up, but are they destined always to be just the bridesmaid.

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13 Aug 2020 11:57:31
Hi folks, I was wondering if any of the ED's could shed some light on Ousmane Dembele as a player and person? Also wondering if there's any truth in Dembele's injuries being a result of training/ a poor medical department in Barca? Thank you.

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{Ed002's Note - There have been some off field issues but it is expected that most have gone as he has got older. It has not been helped by Barcelona making any minor infractions public. At Dortmund he did not have injury issues.}

13 Aug 2020 12:50:23
Slunky

On 11th June on here I suggested Ousmane Dembele as an option, only to be pilloried. Looked a talented player when I saw him play and if there are no off field issues plus a reasonable price, he could be an option, Ed002 said his time at Barcelona was up. I await the usual pile on.

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13 Aug 2020 13:24:38
He was ace before Barca.

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13 Aug 2020 13:28:11
Redman, I've said the same.
2 issues
1 he had had a based time with injuries
2 he has played relatively little or no football for 2 or 3 seasons.
Ideally a loan with an opt-in to buy at a fixed price if he proves himself.
Top player when at BD. Personally i'd say he was better than sancho when at BD in terms of his all round game.
Whoever Salford snaffles him up will get a really good player.

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13 Aug 2020 13:29:24
Red Man, I was a big fan of Dembele when he was playing at Dortmund.
Since the move to Barca, there has been serious questions about his professionalism.
He stays up all night playing online games and reports late to training, missing team bus etc, .

If his attitude is sorted, there is some serious talent in him.
Another issue has been his injury woes.

All in all, it would seem a risky move.

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13 Aug 2020 13:44:36
Thanks very much Ed! Redman, The problem with some of the fans on this page is they assume that because a player hasn't worked out at another team, they're not good enough to play for our team. A player might not work in a system for a variety of reasons. There are plenty of players from Man Utd who have recently been deemed "Deadwood", who have left and done well at other clubs. Dembele is very talented and could potentially do well here. I think Sancho is overhyped and I'd much prefer Dembele for the money.

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13 Aug 2020 14:36:51
While Dembele didn't suffer with injuries before he joined Barcelona he was still only 19 when he joined Barcelona. He turned 23 this year and has struggled with injuries for two whole seasons.

His off field antics certainly doesn't help.

That said if he has grown up and if he can stay fit then he is a hell of a player.

He certainly wouldn't be my first choice, but maybe a deal that is a loan with an option to buy at the end might be something to explore if the Sancho deal is dead in the water.

I'm in two minds about where Greenwood will play eventually, bringing in a top class player who if it doesn't work out won't be difficult to shift or block Greenwood might be a good alternative.

However, that would depend on him being able to prove both his fitness and that his indiscretions are behind him.

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13 Aug 2020 14:37:53
Good points. Many people were surprised to see City and Liverpool move for Chelsea ‘flops’ de Bruyn and Sallah respectively but they worked out ok I think.

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13 Aug 2020 14:50:17
He is a very good player. Injuries would worry me more as if he came, you'd want him to play.

With relation to his off field personality, he is still miles ahead of grealish there, who the club were seriously looking at. And hopefully, as Ed says, it's behind him.

Could be an interesting option.

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13 Aug 2020 15:06:05
Dembele or no one? Dembele without a doubt. If he can stay injury free he is a quality player.

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13 Aug 2020 16:01:52
Spenno, I'd say it would be harsh to call Dembele a flop at Barcelona. He has been good or excellent when he has played for them. Sadly he just hasn't been able to play often enough to be relied on. Barcelona in part due to Messi's massive wages tend to have a smaller squad and rely more on their young players coming through. So for them to have a player who cost so much and who is on huge wages to hardly ever be fit is a big problem.

As a side note I think Barcelona are in a bit of a state at the moment, their best players are 29 or older, and the younger ones either are aren't ready or aren't good enough. They need a few big signings which will be difficult without offloading Messi. They seem stuck with Coutinho and Dembele which might give us an angle to get a decent deal.

While I also wouldn't call Salah or KdB flops at Chelsea, they weren't even given a chance.

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13 Aug 2020 16:11:03
A no ta for Dembele from me.

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13 Aug 2020 17:11:22
You'd rather go into new season with Douglas Costa or Dembele WRD?

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13 Aug 2020 19:58:02
With wolves having no European football next season how about testing their resolve re traore? A right sided attacker and cheaper than sancho.

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13 Aug 2020 20:27:11
Allan, I don't think Traore would cost much less than 80m. Wolves have no need to sell, are in a strong position and are looking to build.

While I rate Traore he is a little one dimensional, he doesn't come inside and mix up his game. It's all about blazing past with pace and power. He is top class at it, but his lack of end product suggests his brain doesn't move as fast as his legs.

We could sign Ismailia Sarr, who is a very similar player but is maybe a year behind Traore in his development, for around 30-40m max.

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14 Aug 2020 06:42:36
Since Dembele pulled his hamstring against Getafe back in 2017 he has struggled to fully recover and now it seems it is a recurring injury. Phil Jones is already our injured player in residence, we don't need another.

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13 Aug 2020 10:54:46
I cannot wait to see Sancho lining up alongside Marital, Rashford, Bruno and Greenwood next season.
Also looking forward to the look on non-United fans faces when the deal is completed.

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13 Aug 2020 12:52:46
Where does Greenwood play? Sub supposedly?

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13 Aug 2020 13:29:33
Patrick 4 player for 3 positions. Lots of games for everyone. James backs up the 4.

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13 Aug 2020 19:43:54
You seem positive the deal is happening King Giggsy. I'm really not so sure it will go ahead. The price is ridiculous and way over the top. Unless it comes down 20 million at least I don't see it happening. Wages and agent fees seem to be a problem aswell as the transfer fee. All in an extortionate deal which ED02 has indeed told us.

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13 Aug 2020 08:48:48
Good to see that Guillem Balague has started up the Cristiano Ronaldo transfer rumour. Ed will be firing up the private jet and hot footing it to Turin.

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12 Aug 2020 19:05:11
So after reading what the ED’s have said and people putting their thoughts across for a right wing spot how about we look at buendia from Norwich. Looked good is young and created a lot of chances probably cost us about 20m rather than 200m.

I’m all for Sancho but if we don’t get him then would people be okay with this choice.

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12 Aug 2020 19:18:21
Tommy Robinson for me.

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12 Aug 2020 19:23:21
Shappy, is that you?

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12 Aug 2020 19:40:02
Honestly I’ve seen nothing from Buendia to suggest he’s anywhere near a top half player. There are levels, if we can’t get Sancho we need to target players such as Chiesa for example. For me now is the time to be aggressive in the market and really try and make the team much stronger.

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12 Aug 2020 20:08:08
Have you really seen Chiesa? He really isn’t that great. Not sure how he’s become the ‘go to’ name in the Sancho debate.

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12 Aug 2020 20:39:26
It's a no from me.

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{Ed047's Note - but to which one though, Chiesa, Buendia, Shappy, Tommy Robinson or Sancho? 🤷‍♂️

12 Aug 2020 20:51:31
No thanks to buendia.

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12 Aug 2020 21:12:32
Burnt is a good shout😂.

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12 Aug 2020 21:45:44
Chiesa Would have been a great shout and a lot cheaper but he does not want to leave Italy.

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12 Aug 2020 22:04:58
Chong.

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12 Aug 2020 22:05:30
Or train Dan James properly.

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13 Aug 2020 03:25:37
Spenno I’m glad you’ve said it. Chiesa is a decent player but he’s not nearly as good as Sancho. Also Sancho is English and the Premier League is much more like the Bundesliga than the Italian league so he will most probably adapt far quicker. If we can’t get Sancho I think Coman, Neres, Adama Traore would all be far better options than Chiesa.

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13 Aug 2020 06:09:14
Dalot for RW.

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13 Aug 2020 07:18:09
David Neres would be a good shout. Can cover all across the front 3. I think we have had previous interest aswel.

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13 Aug 2020 08:11:22
if we are to go for anyone else if we can't get sancho, i would go for adama traore. if he can work more on his end product he could be frightening.

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13 Aug 2020 08:29:13
What happened to Dybala move from last season - would be awesome on that right hand side forward role.

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13 Aug 2020 10:00:07
I hope we get sancho as he can play either side, if added to our frontline now it would be then any 3 from 4 and we should be able to keep them fresh .
In the thread I notice people are throwing names out as who they would personally consider as an alternative if the sancho deal is not to happen .
Il throw a name in Alain maximin he plays mainly on the left but he's right footed and does get used on the right aswell . he's really quick and really skillfull and reminds me a lot of traore . Fans love watching this guy and he gives the any 3 from 4 scenario as he plays left aswell .
Maybe we need to see him playing more on the right but was just a thought . The guy isn't really a move inside and join the striker type he looks more of a terrorise the fb type.

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13 Aug 2020 10:41:56
id like the club to sign sancho failing that a loan with option to buy dembele at a fixed price if he proves himself would be my choice.
Kingsly coman would have been a great option but ed002 said that ship has sailed i think.

Hudson odi looks like a top talent but there may be baggage i don't know, he has signed a long contract in jan so unlikely with Willian and pedro leaving.
Traore is another futile chase and I'm sue again ed002 said we've shown no interest. He is unplayable at times.

Buendia chiesa tommy robinson don't appeal to me if James was coached well and improves can be much more effective than them imo.
Grealish is another target ed002 says. He wouldn't be my first choice nor would he be my last he is versatile and gives quality cover for a few positions he would improve the squad no doubt.

Im very relaxed about signings this summer. With so much uncertainty i wouldn't be criticle if we didn't spend. We need new players but we just have to wait and see. Papers and click sites will have a field day until then. I quite enjoy all the speculation fake news and reading all the opinions coming from the guys on here. Some mad names get mentioned imo.

Lots of people saying Chelsea will be great im not so sure it will be easy to knit a new front 3 together that easily that said i do like werner.
I think spurs will do better and i think arsenal could take giant strides forward if they secure a good cb and no6.

I think liverpool won't do quite as well and i think city will do better. 90 points will win the league imo next season.
Plus 20 points is what united chelsea arsenal and spurs will be targeting. That puts them in the mix up until april. Liverpool start as naive favourites along with sours and arsenal they will have the best pre season prep and rest time.
Looking forward to the new season after hopefully 2 more games this season.

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13 Aug 2020 11:10:06
Tommy robinson certainly makes it known his position is right wing. Don't think he is allowed on some social media sites anymore so at least that is one less distraction.

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13 Aug 2020 11:34:24
Bookedredmole
What haired if he has to cover in the left? He is very uncomfortable on the left.
Due to his inflexibility i think we should leave him alone😂😂😂.

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13 Aug 2020 12:44:05
Poor Tommy. His only crime was, well, breaking the law.

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13 Aug 2020 13:29:00
Hey ken, you’ve left out Arsenal, we will be a different animal next season.

Not saying we will win the PL.

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13 Aug 2020 14:38:09
Malaga, in all fairness though haven't Arsenal fans been saying that since 2005?

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13 Aug 2020 14:44:57
Read it again malaga😂.

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12 Aug 2020 16:58:05
With our season reaching its crescendo Sevilla are now all that stands between us and a second Europa League final in four years!

I watched Sevilla against Roma and Wolves and they are a very good team. They press the ball very well and in possession they play with composure and authority.

I've been worried about our 4-2-3-1 formation for some time and whilst I think its been a success against the less talented teams I fear we can be dangerously exposed by the better sides.

Rashford and Greenwood play more as inside forwards than wingers and can often leave the full backs horribly exposed. I think Fernandes plays so advanced he's almost become a second striker and Pogba isn't the most disciplined or diligent from a defensive perspective.

Sevilla will provide a stern examination and provide us with a useful barometer for how much this team has actually progressed.

I expect Sevilla to press us high with aggression and intensity. We have struggled against teams that have adopted a high press and this will be a good examination of the teams composure and quality on the ball. Sevilla are also very comfortable in possession. They play with good fluidity and movement with runners off the ball and excellent rotation especially in midfield. This will test our concentration, ability to track forward runners and to win the ball back.

I expect Sevilla to provide Ole with a tactical dilemma. If we get outnumbered in midfield and try to continually play out from the back I think we could be in for a long evening.

Without wanting to sound negative I wonder if we should play any extra midfielder in order to try and help us get control of the midfield and get better possession of the football. I love Mason Greenwood and he no doubt provides us with a potent and clinical goal threat but he is only useful if we can feed him the ball in dangerous positions in and around the box. I thought Mata had an excellent game when he was introduced on Monday night. His intuitive movement and quality on the ball enabled us to better dominate possession and provided the likes of Pogba and Fernandes with more options on the ball. I wonder if there is case for starting Mata to try and get control of the midfield and secure better possession of the ball . Maybe Greenwood could provide a deadly option from the bench if we are chasing a goal.

I expect this is be an intriguing encounter and I'm fascinated to see how Ole approaches the game.

I think Sevilla probably start as slight favourites. They have wonderful pedigree in this competition and this is a young Utd side still searching for an identify despite playing some decent football since the turn of the year!

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12 Aug 2020 17:27:41
Regardless of how they play we should be beating these.

We have to much quality to not be able to beat these.

Play our strongest 11.

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12 Aug 2020 17:32:14
4231 is a very fluid formation . it will be 451, 433 and 244 at times.

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12 Aug 2020 17:46:55
Bolger- They finished 4th in La Liga on 70 points the same as Atletico Madrid underestimate them at your peril.

Jred - defensively our full backs are often exposed and outnumber as is our midfield. We've been getting away with it but against a good side I think we could be in trouble. This will be a very tough game in my opinion.

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12 Aug 2020 18:00:33
They played well yesterday and were solid at the back. I won't be surprised if we see 5 at the back or pack the midfield with a diamond. don't think we will have the majority of the ball. should be a good game.

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12 Aug 2020 18:04:21
DLIB it will be a tough game, but i don't expect a big change. Bruno may play a bit deeper in the transition. And the 2 wide men will prob have to be a bit more disciplined in the defensive formation but I don't think we will give up on our attacking intent to much .

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12 Aug 2020 18:23:55
DLIB In my opinion, we had far more success this season against stronger teams and playing on counter, than playing vs bunker teams (at least until Bruno joined) . Giving them some possession might not be that bad.

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12 Aug 2020 18:46:05
Jred - I may be mistaken but I think we might need to adjust tactically against the better teams especially if Ole wants to play Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, Fernandes and Pogba together in the same team.

I'm still not convinced by Pogba playing so deep as a holding midfielder in a double pivot and I'd like to see him further forward and Fernandes drop deeper into a three man midfield. I think this would give the team more balance and allow Greenwood and Rashford to play alongside Martial as a genuine front 3.

In my opinion Pogba is too deep and Fernandes is too advanced. I'm not sure Ole has got the balance of the team right just yet. I think we'd benefit enormously adopting a 4-3-3 formation where subtle changes in positions can make a big difference both defensively and offensively.

I think we've been decent since the re-start and even looked really good on occasions but I'm just not convinced 4-2-3-1 is the right system to use against the better teams.

Trololo - I agree we've been decent on the counter against the better teams but with the signing of Fernandes, the return of Pogba and the emergence of Greenwood this is now a different Utd team. I just don't see Rashford and Greenwood being defensively diligent occupying full back positions and waiting for opportunities to counter as maybe Lingard or James would have done earlier in the season. In some regard we're better than that now and I think we need to develop a system where we can be more authoritative against the better teams and start to play them on a more equal footing.

For this team it evolve it needs to learn different ways of beating the better teams rather than dropping deep, surrendering possession and waiting for a few opportunities to play on the counter.

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12 Aug 2020 18:57:09
Dlib like I say its a fluid formation and at times it will be 433 especially in the transition and building from the back .
But I still think it will look like a 244 in the attavking 3rd.

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12 Aug 2020 19:26:37
We have struggled against anyone who presses. We simply need to bypass their press. Play it long and bring your midfield into it. Enter Ighalo.

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12 Aug 2020 21:13:33
Shan you should change your name to big Sam.

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12 Aug 2020 22:05:32
DLIB I could agree on that, but should they be learning that right now, when so close to the trophy?
Also, I'm not sure we can change our tactics so easily right now, since its still the same season and the same team. No changes were made, and there was no preseason and control matches to practice different things.
I do hope we will learn how to control the game against better opponents soon enough.

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13 Aug 2020 05:25:15
I will jred when you change yours to LvG cause you are now boring.

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13 Aug 2020 06:15:58
Diamond formation would really suit us for this game, as our full backs already are not great at attacking, they can stay behind.
A diamond of Matic sitting, McTominay/ Fred on one side, Pogba on the other and Bruno as CAM.

I would start Martial as my CF and the other could be any of Mata, Rashford or Greenwood.

With Mata, you can get the technical ability to unlock the teams, Rashford can play wide, and Greenwood is class.
Ighalo too coule be a decent option to start, to hold up the ball and be physical against a Spanish side, with Martial around him.

We 100% need 2 dms for this game one of which should not be pogba.

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13 Aug 2020 10:13:40
I would go 433, win the midfield battle with Matic, Pogba and Fred then have Rashford or Greenwood on the right and Martial on the left to stretch the defense and have Bruno playing as the false 9.

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13 Aug 2020 12:11:03
Imagine if Ole played Ighalo and went long ball the deacon of Shan, sure you would be saying what a great job he has done if he did that!

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13 Aug 2020 13:34:00
Rooney said fergie should have done it v Barcelona in 2 cl finals gds2.
Im not sure we need to against seville but there is no harm on occasion particularly when your tecnically inferior.

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13 Aug 2020 14:54:18
Absolutely GDS, why wouldn't I? That's called plan B if the original idea isn't working. We have lacked that plan B and have struggled when teams haven't allowed us to play out from the back. There have been times when you could play it long and defeat the press. That is what irks me that Ole doesn't have that in game management where we can switch when one thing isn't working. I bet we will still play DeGea to Maguire to Williams back to Maguire for 90 minutes on Sunday and give it away.

Take it from me today, if we do have a tactical plan to beat their press and Ole shows that he can be flexible and not hellbent on playing one way, i would stand up and applaud and be the first to congratulate him on here come Sunday.

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12 Aug 2020 16:22:14
Watched Pogba the other night against Copenhagen.
He reminded me of a chess piece. He can moe forward or sideways and occasionally diagonally. He seems to spectate half the time while others are playing the game around him.

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12 Aug 2020 16:24:48
The most overated player ever. the sooner he goes the better. I can't bear watching him.

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12 Aug 2020 17:20:02
sly are reporting that pogba is expecting talks about his contract and that he is happy at united : wonder how long before the pogba pirlo love in stories are bs all over the tabloids n twitter eh? lol.

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12 Aug 2020 17:49:50
Only a Queen can move forwards, backwards, sideways and diagonally in Chess.

And Queen is the most valuable and important piece in Chess.

So you are saying that Pogba is the crown jewel in our team!? 😂.

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12 Aug 2020 19:41:31
Don’t know what he did wrong the other night. If you go on other sites such as twitter you’ll even see Bruno getting stick!

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12 Aug 2020 21:13:17
Deependra, not entirely accurate, the king can move in all those directions too (although only 1 space in each direction) Also the king is the most valuable and important piece. if he is captured the game is over. The queen isthe most powerful/ dangerous piece. Either which way Pogba is a bishop at best (being paid a kings ransom)

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12 Aug 2020 23:40:21
Sup what does that make fred a pawn?

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