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19 Jan 2022 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 18th January 2022

18 Jan 2022 21:51:12
I'm not sure who Graeme Bailey is but according to him RR has told the overlords that shaw AWB and slabhead aren't good enough and will need replacing as we move forward. If true I can't say that I disagree, however with their values and wages they won't be easy to move and we will no doubt overvalue them in the market. Very interesting!

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18 Jan 2022 22:16:44
Theres a few more that shpuld be on that list.

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18 Jan 2022 22:26:42
So Tim, do you think MU will ship out these players who cost more than the GDP of a small economy such as the Solomon Islands on Raif’s recommendation.

Below there are a number of assertions that Ralf has been brought in “as a football man” to restructure the club in his consulting capacity.

If the MU hierarchy don’t particularly like the idea of shipping out 3 assets, two of which have not yet been fully amortised, is that not supporting RR or does maybe the commercial side of the business become more important?

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18 Jan 2022 23:09:47
Maze. WTF. Its as clear as the nose on your face that AWB and slabhead are not good enough. The economy of a small island aside. The economy side is f all when the so called defence ships goals for fun.

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18 Jan 2022 23:55:10
There could be up to half a dozen players leaving over the next two windows, whether out of contract, unhappy, not required etc. I don’t think 3/ 4 of the back line (exc. Varane) is good enough but you can’t sell everybody. A new centre back like Kounde wouldn’t be a surprise in summer.

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19 Jan 2022 03:48:15
EnglishStan - although your comments profoundly can be portrayed as obtuse, Maze shall respond.

Has Maze indicated that AWB and/ or “slabhead” (assume HM) are good enough? Please elaborate. In fact if you look back not so long ago the sun shone out of AWB’s rear according to some on here.

The simple fact is that there are broader considerations that have to be taken into account. Commentary about the economy side means “f all” says it all about your witless understanding. Makes it difficult for Maze to continue confabulating with you.

Spenno - glad to see you have taken time away from the xbox to comment. Is that the answer, chuck another fat load of cash to entice a player into signing a long term deal to sort out the shortcomings? Very crass.

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19 Jan 2022 06:01:05
English players are usually over hyped.
Maguire especially has set the club back.
The one who scouted him and gave sign off for 80 million should be sacked.

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19 Jan 2022 08:24:24
To answer the question maze, no I don’t think we will mainly for the reasons you outlined…on the other hand do I think we should get rid of them and a few others over the next few windows? YES.

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19 Jan 2022 09:26:06
The whole club is having to balance everything whilst we do not know who the new manager will be, will they have a lot of power over transfers or will we move to more continental style of them being just coaches but in the style of the ones making the decisions. The job as I see it for RR is 3 fold if we believe that the club are comitting to him in a consultancy role past this year. Firstly get us to the end of the season and from a commercial point of view into the top 4, this is for CL next season and to help either get new players in or retain the ones we have (if that is what they want) . Secondly, utilise his knowledge of players outside of the UK to identify the right ones and at the right time. Young up and coming players approaching peak years. This again benefits the playing side of things as well as the commercial side as we will be purchasing a cheaper asset that will grow (as much as i hate to say it, ala Liverpool since Klopp has been in post) . Thirdly, identify the players that are not up to the riggers of playing the style of play that we will be doing over the next phase of the clubs development. Once he has done this the power brokers responsibilities is to secure the best deals possible for the club (difficult considering the wages players are on) or work to get loan deals for these players to increase their value playing whilst offsettig at least part of their wages.

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19 Jan 2022 09:37:37
Fair enough Tim. Let’s play devils advocate. Who do you suppose replaces them?

Lets say you have a 100m transfer budget. You lose Pogba, Lingard Cavani and Mata for free.

Martial and VdB go on loan - as no one is going to pay a substantial fee plus their wages. Maze is generous so assume their wages are picked up by the respective principal club.

You are still accruing for substantial expenses - including monster wages for Rashford, De Gea, Ronaldo and co.

You are paying sizeable wages for the new manager (plus a fee potentially) and his consultant general Ralf. You have also paid top dollar to bring in a back room team and are still paying up wages on your last managerial termination.

You are in the middle of an ongoing C.V. that is a risk to company revenue. Cash is cheap to lend but to be safe you are trying to conserve in case a new variant wipes out the 22/ 23 season.

So let's assume you get 60m for the 3 of them (on current form that’s being generous) . The 60m helps pay down their contacts inclusive of any other variables.

So who do you replace HM, LS and AWB with whilst improving other areas of the squad noting the environment?

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19 Jan 2022 09:46:02
Anyone think we are in a never-ending loop:

New manager, buy a load of players, declare players will take us to next step, players fail to deliver, players labelled deadwood, manager sacked, players sold at a loss, new players bought.

We have seen more teams built and dismantled in the last 10 years than the whole 26 years of Fergie's tenure.

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19 Jan 2022 10:10:44
Not sure on values but I’d promote laird and look at lamptey to replace AWB. For maguire maybe the likes of fofana, zagadou, kounde etc. personally I’d keep shaw and bring in someone else to replace telles. Players like Haidara, Zakaria, ndidi etc would all improve us greatly in midfield. Obviously price is an issue especially when buying from other English clubs, that’s where our scouting needs to expand and improve so we can identify the players earlier.

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19 Jan 2022 10:43:55
Tim, Mazraoui is an obvious target at RB. Great technique, hard working and good nothing going forward and defending. Plus he's available on a free transfer. He's 24, 25 in November so is a great age, and should just be approaching his peak and would enable Laird a couple of years as understudy without pressure.

As for CB, I'd be tempted to go and try and get Rudiger on a free also. While he is probably at his best in a back three he is still much better than what we have bar Varane. Saying that I think he'd work well with Varane, knows the league and is a leader. Also at 29 will offer a top class player for a few years so as to not totally block Mengi's path into the first team.

Midfield I really like Boubacar Kamara, he's a similar player to Declan Rice but available at a fraction of the cost, maybe free in the summer.

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19 Jan 2022 11:00:50
Mr Bailey could just be making that up but if not I wonder who at the club would have an interest in leaking something like that to undermine Rangnick?

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19 Jan 2022 12:54:14
Maze asking the wrong questions. If they are not good enough sooner or later they will go. And if we can't buy three top class defenders then we will buy one and the others will be some cheaper options like Mazraoui.
In any case they must go so we will have space to make additions.

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19 Jan 2022 13:12:52
Herrera (now that’s a player that should have been kept) . Why are those the wrong questions? In actual fact that is the sort of conversations that the big boys will be having.

Look at the fantasy above Rudiger on a ‘free’ these players are not ‘free’. The player and their advisors snap up a huge fee and their wages/ demands are obscene.

Above there is mention of Rice ($$$$$), Kounde ($$$$), Haidara ($$$$), Ndidi ($$$$$) . This is just fantasy.

As for Mazouri being “the obvious choice at RB”. How did the last few signings from the Eredivisie fair?

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19 Jan 2022 13:19:59
Shappy, I think Rudiger has been one of the top CBs in the league this year. He’s imposing and great at coming forward. Yet I just can’t see him staying in England, or certainly switching Chelsea for Utd. It has PSG / Real all over it?

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19 Jan 2022 13:50:19
Maze, while I agree these players aren't technically "free" due to the signing on fees.

You miss the point that they tend to be far cheaper than signing players who have a contract at another club.

While we might not be in for Mbappe this summer, it's fairly obvious that if he had 2 years left on his contract he would cost upwards of 100m, possibly close to 200m. I mean PSG paid €180 for him, I don't think his value has dropped at all since then.

While Real Madrid will pay his agent a hefty fee, and his wages would be higher due to the signing on fee. The reality is if you wanted to buy him you'd still be paying a hefty agents fee and high wages. I doubt the additional wages and agents fees come close to what his transfer fee would have been.

Therefore signing players on Bosman deals is much cheaper and a sensible route to consider if you need/ want to make multiple signings to rebuild a squad.

Mazraoui is a good option, you could argue that we shouldn't sign Lamptey, Reece James or TAA from EPL teams because look how AWB turned out. It's a frankly ridiculous arguement.

Many great players past and present started their careers in the Eredivisie, including former United greats such as Stam, RvN, VDS and RvP.

Some signings work, others don't. You can't apply sweeping generalisations from them as it misses out all context and the nuances that impact every signing.

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19 Jan 2022 13:52:11
Spenno, I doubt we'd be able to tempt him as well. It's questionable whether we'll even be a UCL side next season. While Rudiger will have offers from Spain, Italy, Germany and France as well as possibly other options beyond Chelsea in the EPL.

But it certainly doesn't hurt having a go for him, you never know what might happen.

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19 Jan 2022 13:52:47
Ofcourse they have big wages, but big wages have the three that depart too. So this changes nothing.
And i don't suggest Mazraoui. I only say that there are cheaper options out there. If we are speak about Harry Maguire (something i say from day one) he is 10 million player at best so i would take a "random" and cheap player with a bit of pace any day of the week. Its not like we must throw 300 millions for their replacements. Take 60-70 million from them, add some more and you will be fine.

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18 Jan 2022 10:06:43
Im looking forward to Brentford turning up and playing a blinder tomorrow night, especially as they've lost their last two. No doubt their midfield will be full of industry and energy and will play us off the pitch. Call me a pessimist if you want but you just know it's going to happen. i'm hoping ralf plays the diamond with Donny, as in his own words 'it gives us more control'. but deep down I know it will be mcfred AGAIN!

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18 Jan 2022 11:04:08
Tim, they've done well this year at home. Will be a tough game.

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18 Jan 2022 11:29:58
No. MU should be destroying a recently promoted team at this stage of the season. RR will consult and a result will be forthcoming. Nothing less than a win is good enough.

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18 Jan 2022 13:24:03
brentford at home are a decent side maze. and they like to attack, we have got a poor defence and a midfield that is prob on level with theres.

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18 Jan 2022 13:55:02
What difference will Donny make?

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18 Jan 2022 16:26:10
Atleast Donny won't give away the ball cheaply as Fred.

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18 Jan 2022 17:16:24
It's a must win game to keep up for the top 4 race.
However Spurs with Conte will make it hard.

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18 Jan 2022 18:04:29
Unfortunately Tim I expect the same.

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18 Jan 2022 18:49:16
Along the same lines, if our players are not at it after the dross they have been serving up then maybe they aren't man utd players after all.

Last game they were good for 30 mins, what happened after that I have no idea, but I doubt it was Martial's fault.

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18 Jan 2022 19:56:56
We are still a polo team, mint, ut with a hole in the middle. Comment or opinion will not change anything until we resolve our awful midfield functionality and quality. Even then we must re organise that we lack another top class central defender at least if not two along with an attacking overlapping right back to create width.

Nothing wrong with forward line yet I believe that yet again, the board are closest to concluding a deal for another forward and moving Martial out this window. Woodward is also leaving after learning the hard way, truth is, we are screwed.

On the positive side, there is a buyer in the wings, already sounding out the Glazers over a purchase in 2024. They're having a practice at running a football club for another 2 years before possibly concluding an offer. If you're a true red, hope the buccaneers get smashed in the play offs, that will bring us closer to the end of a nightmare.

The team to take over currently run a major champions league top 4 frequent team. There are no short erm solutions to a long term problem.

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18 Jan 2022 20:39:49
The sooner we sell Donny the better fed up of people referring to him like he’s the messiah!
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18 Jan 2022 20:44:03
A polo mint team🤣🤣🤣 brilliant Cheshire Red.
What's your read now on the playing side?
The plan you last outlined is that being completely ripped up are they starting again from zero? You felt that ole was 100% backed and there was no turning back no matter what. But in sure you agree they had to act.
Is the plan for RR to write the blueprint?
Have you heard anything on that side or who is undee consideration for new manager?

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18 Jan 2022 20:58:20
Only thing ww can say about donny is he hasn't had a run to show what he can do.

Hes been given 5 mins here and there but hope. he leaves and does good somewhere else.


Cheshire you. said we was going to dominate for the next decade under ole, the fact is now the players are being trained proper you. can see how bad this group are.

Leta hope fhe club listen to RR and get rid of the pretenders.

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18 Jan 2022 21:00:05
This is a Brentford aide that have only lost 1-0 to Chelsea and City and drew 3-3 with Liverpool at home. The way we are playing at the moment I would take a point now.

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18 Jan 2022 21:34:58
Wow the mediocrity has well and truly been embraced by the fans on here. Terrifying.

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18 Jan 2022 22:20:43
Maze we are mediocrity now we haven't won a trophy in how many years.

Nearlly a. decade of being poorly run has turned us into a mediocre club

Lets just hope the next 10 years are better.

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18 Jan 2022 23:03:26
I don't like or dislike Chishire.
But he (as 002 etc) and those who have an inside view can only tell us about the intentions and plans. You know they don't have a crystal ball to see the future. The plan under Ole was to have a young core of players to dominate for the next decade. Don't use this to beat a man.

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19 Jan 2022 00:12:54
Not beating a man but we was never going to dominate for a decade with a manager that was only. givrn the job on the back of a. decent run and because he gave hugs and jaffa cakes at half time

The young players we have are brats, lazy over paid and like a C.V. that have eaten away at what thus club omce was.

Living off the memory and ideas a manager had that hasn't been at the club for 10 years.

We have been stuck in 1st gear when the teams around have slowly been pulling away

And now when it looks like someone who knows what he's doing has come in and said a few home truths its time to all panick again let's see if the board have the balls to trust RR and his input which i think they will,

If they are wantinf to sell they would rather attract the prospect of a new project united than one that's getting further away

We are 5 years behind the top teams and that's if we listen and learn from previous mistakes.

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19 Jan 2022 00:35:27
You said that they were lazy and primadonas when our front three outscored Liverpool's or when they finished second? If so then well done, but I don't remember to be the case.
Clearly you had misunderstood the situation or overhyping our players or Ole etc. Or they just had better balance and the last signings made us worst-who knows.
Fact is that Cheshire thought (and was the clubs intention) that we are going to dominate . He was wrong, we (many of us) were wrong. That means nothing. And i say this without buying in Oles plan because i never liked him as a coach. But come on everyone makes mistakes and that doesn't mean that whatever they say is wrong.

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19 Jan 2022 10:06:16
Isnt this the Ratcliffe consortium that are currently running Nice, didn't he say he had no intention of getting involved at United while they made dumb transfer decisions.

Hoping the Bucc's don't win the Superbowl with Brady is a long shot, but at least it shows the Glazers do care about football, unfortunately its just the American version.

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19 Jan 2022 11:12:11
TRD - Donny never gives the ball away because he's never involved in the game. He's a waste of time.

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18 Jan 2022 09:16:01
So, Rangnick our manager, says in a press conference that Martial refused to be selected, yet Martial goes onto social media and denies it completely. Basically calling the manager, a liar.
What does the club do? Nothing. They allow a player to call the manager a liar, and they're not prepared to take action.
That in a nutshell, is how far this once great club, has sunk.
Since Fergie retired, there seems to be a free for all amongst the players to say and do whatever they want.
Pogba gets injured and decides to go to Dubai for two months while recovering.
Martial is called out by Rangnick, he just comes out and calls the manager a liar.
Lingard doesn't get picked, he starts posing in West Ham United shirt.
The list goes on. Someone at our club has to get hold of the situation and lay some ground rules. If they step out of line, fine them and stick them in the reserves. But unfortunately, this is never going to happen while the Glazer money making machine is in charge. They know taking strict action against these spoilt brats will wipe millions off their market value.
So, the vicious circle just keeps going round and round. It is really sad to see the state this club is in at present.

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18 Jan 2022 10:24:34
AAA

Completely agree some of these players should have been out the door fast. Martial’s feet would not have touched the floor under SAF. I worry that Fletcher has far too much influence.

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18 Jan 2022 14:15:53
I worry that Fergie has far too much influence and that's why we have Darren Fletcher as 'technical director', Ronaldo back at the club, Poch probably incoming as manager and talk of signing John McGinn.

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18 Jan 2022 14:18:06
Red Man, I share your concerns that Fletcher is just too close to Sir Alex and seems to be his ears on the ground. I could be completely wrong, but that is the impression I get.

Its not helped when you see images in the media of Sir Alex out having lunch with Michael Carrick. That might be completely innocent, maybe Carrick is asking Sir Alex's advice on a job offer he has. But it just further highlights that Sir Alex's fingerprints are still all over the club, which will make it hard for any manager coming in to stamp their authority.

Can RR drop Ronaldo without him running to his "father in football", what authority does Sir Alex have over RR? In either an official or unofficial capacity.

Pochettino is the firm favourite for to he the next full time manager. A man Sir Alex has a close relationship with, a man who he has met to discuss aspects of football. Pochettino may or may not be a good choice, yet if the man driving the interest in Pochettino is Sir Alex then where does that leave us?

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18 Jan 2022 20:42:42
Great post AAA, the Lingard Instagram stuff has really wound me up! Can’t believe we even let him train with first team, he’s hanging around to cream in a huge signing on fee in summer, blatantly taking the p. out of us so let’s shove him with the kids for 4 months!

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19 Jan 2022 01:37:49
It's frustrating for fans and manager to see these actions. In what job can you speak to your boss in this way and keep your job?
No direction from the top has been an issue for some time.
Great institutions are run by great management and great employees. Failed institutions are run by wild employees and weak management.
It's not rocket science.

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18 Jan 2022 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 17th January 2022

17 Jan 2022 22:36:40
Have we learned nothing? If true it shows how utterly messed up we are. We appoint an interim manager, who is going to be a consultant for two years, after years of failure. I cannot tell you how utterly frustrating it is to read that the club is now considering a £40m bid for Aston Villa midfielder John McGinn in summer. That is worrying but it is then the driver that makes me shake my head. Apparently he has impressed SAF and Darren Fletcher. If true we continue to look backwards, very worrying. Let's hope it isn't true. SAF should have no bearing on the football at all and Fletcher knows about Scottish players, we need to move on. Meanwhile where is the support for RR, no one in no one out, I really hope they are not just playing lip service to the expert they brought in.

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17 Jan 2022 23:23:07
I agree Redman.
No doubt McGinn would be a upgrade on our current midfield incumbents. But likely to be expensive, clearly not utilising RRs knowledge or skills.

United have huge structural issues based on fairytales, the olden days and legends. It defies logic, at least football logic.
I see RR being sidelined in favour of a mystical search of the managerial equivalent of the holy grail.

Makes a great show though, the United soap opera.

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18 Jan 2022 03:56:34
I like John mcginn. Think he’s a decent player. Would you rather we chase Bellingham all summer and end up with nothing because that’s what I can see happening.

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18 Jan 2022 06:30:48
John McGinn. What. Decent player at Villa’s level but what. Chelsea are signing CL winners as back up players. MU are looking at McGinn as the answer. What.

RR is the worst move the club could have made - especially with this whole “consultant gig” blah blah. Give me a break. What a mess.

What manager is going to come in who is at the the top of the game to be overseen by RR? What.

Red Man why would the MU board back RR with $$$ when he is not going to the the manager in 6 months time. What.

That means another manager will be left with players they didn’t sign (likely for an exuberant amount) . What.

If RR wants to be backed he should take the gig full time like a grown up.

What? What a mess. Dire.

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18 Jan 2022 06:58:08
Disagree Maze! I’m not saying we should sign Mginn but when you say Aston Villa level I’m afraid for 90 minutes on Monday their midfield absolutely took the mick out of ours, they ran the show, and also for 45 minutes Saturday! I’m afraid Aston Villa level is probably better than ours at moment 🤣🤣
I think my point is I think we need to start looking at signings away from the stars and build a team based on individuals who are fantastic footballers but most importantly we create a team, a hard working talented team who above anything else want to play for Manchester United!
Another big thing to consider is who on earth believes what the newspapers say Jesus! The sir Alex mention is purely for exactly this, to stir all things United!

As for your criticism of RR I disagree again! Whether we like it or not we couldn’t get our main target when ole was sacked, an interim manager was only option surely or do you want us to go and get the next best? Read up on what RR has done at other clubs, I feel he could be hugely important over next two years as we go through another slight re build but he could be a gem of an appointment behind the scenes, I trust him to suss out this dressing room to!

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18 Jan 2022 07:02:06
MAZE

Three years £420m spent and we don’t have a central midfield. A decent signing in there could make a difference.

RR was identified correctly for me, as a consultant to shake us out of the cultural reboot looking at 1980’s methods to replace SAF with someone who will be here years.

The McGinn story reeks of the past with SAF in the background and Fletcher as technical director, a position I have yet to see him justify including his career.

RR doesn’t need to take the manager job long term, but to me it already looks like the club are not listening, just carrying on what they did before. That is the mess. If they do that the club will be even more of a laughing stock.

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18 Jan 2022 07:21:37
I wouldn’t be surprised if the club is in contact with the new manager (almost certainly the case) and that he will be giving his own feedback on signings too.

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18 Jan 2022 08:54:56
Chris1 - Villa are an irrelevant team. Is this what it has become, MU fans now associate their club as a comparator to cesspool tinpot wannabes. Also enlighten me what has RR done at clubs of MU’s macro-scale stature?

Red Man - did you misread Maze’s post? Maze wholeheartedly agrees the club is a commercial calamity, an absolute omnishambles with no identity and leadership.

Please explain ‘consultant to shake us out of reboot’? What does that even mean? RR is on a gravy train, riding it like others. Have you ever had to engage or collaborate with consultants? They are not inexpensive. Now imagine engaging one in a limited market, in desperate times and no blueprint as to the outcome? Is there an upper limit on his ‘consulting fee’? God be kind and pray there is so.

Spenno - unless the manager the club are ‘almost certainly in contact with’ is unattached and out of work, then there would be serious conflict of interest and collusion questions for the club to answer. Please consider more broadly before pulling the trigger on your post.

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18 Jan 2022 09:13:07
so we look to change the structure and someone are still not happy.

the manager we want was not available when ole got sacked so they got RR in to then go in his new role, assuming we have a better chance of getting our number 1 target in the summer.

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18 Jan 2022 09:20:15
Bolger - who will take the role with RR looking over their shoulder with his breath tickling their neck? As
Red Man suggested above, do you think the club should back him and let him clear out players when he has a potential 6 month tenure?

Forget football, talking generally and frankly, that sounds incredibly short sighted and risk enduring.

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18 Jan 2022 09:25:34
Hs's an upgraded Fred.
Runs about a lot and gets in a few tackles and scores 3-4 goals a season.
By the way we already have another two of those in Matic and Mctominay.
What a waste of 40-50 millions pounds.

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18 Jan 2022 10:23:04
I don’t think Maze understands what Consultants do, RR has a 2 year deal on top of this temp management role to use his knowledge to change the club. It looks like they are not listening which doesn’t bode well. You are hung up with new managers when it is the structure of the club that needs review and change. In the meantime it looks like we just carry on with the old ways that got us in this mess. If we don’t listen to the consultant all that knowledge is wasted.

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18 Jan 2022 10:31:12
Maze, I'm sure no club is ever contacting other managers and players when they're still under contract. Definitely not. Simply doesn't happen.

Please refrain from the pretentious habit of referring to yourself in the third person before pulling your own trigger while you're at it.

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18 Jan 2022 10:53:16
McGinn has been linked previously, I don't personally see it, papers will link SAF and Fletcher at United and all 3 being Scottish and the need for a CM. I'm fully prepared for United to be linked with another dozen CM's before the end of the summer and for us to end up signing a RB!

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18 Jan 2022 11:03:10
Red Man - notwithstanding you did not answer any of the questions offered to you or elaborate on your outlandish statements, Maze will entertain you with a response.

Maze understands very well how consultants work - first hand experience of the good the bad and the ugly. The big the small. The ethical and the mercenary. Trust that.

The structure of the club does need to change of that there is no doubt - is Ralf going to that single handedly? If he has all the answers why has it taken until 2022 to bring him in? Don’t kid yourself.

Spenno - if you are going to trade barbs with the Maze please educate yourself or at least present some substance. The youth of today do entertain Maze. All Xbox no acumen.

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18 Jan 2022 11:08:00
we haven't had a proper football man above the manager for a decade.

the first sign we have someone with some influence we are saying its the wrong choice ( maze is saying its the wrong choice)

RR has experience in building clubs from above. Fletcher will be learning for 2 years at least on how to run footballing sides above the manager.

for fletcher that is fantastic and if R continues beyond his 2 years even better.

in my opinion they already have someone lined up, they will have prob already discussed this process with the potential manager or managers agent. just like with players we would have already made contact with potential managers and sold the project with RR role being explained.


in answer to your question i would rather RR do what needs doing now ready for when someone comes in the summer, if he has to stay on another 12 months and we wait for ten hag, even better,

SHORT TERM pain for LONG TERM gain.

for the first time in 10 years we are looking to build from above.

whats ironic is JOSE tried to tell us about the C.V.es and wanted to get rid but the powers above said no.

and here we are now finally seeing certain players for what they are. let RR ship them out, i'm going to trust this process a lot more than under OLE and woodward.

just don't go awol maze when we start looking like a actual decent run football club.

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18 Jan 2022 11:27:25
Does he have influence Bolger? What has he influenced so far? How is the frank and robust dialogue going for him so far?

RR has experience of building clubs up? RBL, Hoffenheim? Those projects are nothing like MU. The models are completely different, the scrutiny on a far more unprecedented scale - not to mention the expectations, media etc.

RR won’t stay on for another 12 months. He doesn’t want to be the manager. He would rather be in the background letting other so the doing. In fact his CV (like OGS’s) does not pass the pub test to be MU manager - but here we are.

Someone like Ten Hag who has done very well recently will not want a baby sitter looking over their shoulder.

Bolger, Maze was told don’t go awol it will work out under LVG, don’t go awol OGS is galvanising MU. Still Maze waits, Maze grows weary.

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18 Jan 2022 13:49:57
do you not think he will have influence MAZE?

what have they hired him for then? its already been confirmed he will have a say on who the next manager is and transfers might not be the final say might just be an opinion, but someone like RR you listen too, otherwise what is the point you may have kept woodward in the job

hes already said he would be willing to carry on if the club wanted him too, which wouldn't be a bad idea if the next manager is not available in the summer.

they are not going to have got RR in to try and implement his ideas to then send him above and the next manager be a total opposite

what do you think marc overmars job is at ajax? similar to RR maybe not exact the same but in some capacity to what RR will do when he isn't the interim

we have cried out for footballing people and a change in structure and we have started to implement this.

short term pain maze for long term gain.

hes not even been here for 5 minutes.

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18 Jan 2022 13:53:09
All Xbox no acumen gave me a good chuckle maze 😂😂😂😂.

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17 Jan 2022 17:39:49
We talk a lot about who should be United's next manager, but let's consider the risk/ rewards for the appointee beyond the short term financial incentive.

If it's a young manager who is yet to lead a top European club, then the risk is that you fail and pretty much halt your progress.

If it's a more established manager without trophies under the belt then maybe this is a golden opportunity to burnish your reputation. Of course it could go the other way. once an also ran, always an also ran.

A top manager with multiple trophies under his belt. I think this is a pipe dream.

Your decision has to be influenced by the appointment of Rangnick. Will he be able to sell the idea that the club is committed to supporting the manager with both the transfer cash. and in the getting rid of any player who is of no playing value within the envisioned strategy. In other words the principle raison d'être going forward is football success and not selling shirts or being one of the owner's or past managers favorite players. In other words, an assurance that the Woodward/ Ferguson era is over. Then you are going to want a time guarantee so that the wholesale changes can be made.

I have no idea who the best choice would be, but in practical terms it's kind of hard to look beyond Pocchetino at the moment. He needs a challenge. If he fails then he's probably in no worse position than he is now. but if he succeeds, his reputation will be enhanced no end. Whoever it is I don't see United being a top contender within the next 3 years.

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17 Jan 2022 18:49:33
Shaw,

Good post. I agree with you.

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17 Jan 2022 19:18:30
I think the decision has been made. I've no evidence or knowledge to that effect but its just a gut feeling I have.

I would think it's down to the last couple of candidates at a minimum.
I'm just as interested in the consultancy role RR will have and whether he has any influence.

Interesting few months ahead.
Should be good craic looking in from the outside as we all do.

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17 Jan 2022 20:16:52
Whos your 2 guesses ken?

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17 Jan 2022 20:56:16
Between poch and ten Haag I would think, is that who you have ken? Seen Rodgers mentioned again but can’t see it myself.

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17 Jan 2022 22:07:00
I think it's poch. eth is a possibility imo.

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18 Jan 2022 07:38:12
It will be Pochettino.

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18 Jan 2022 08:32:35
Poch is a decent manager. But just as Red Man said in another post, he is fergie's choice. I don't agree with Poch as manager.
I think Ten Hag or Ruben Amorim play the sort of football RR is attempting to play at United.
Amorim will manage one of the very big clubs within the next three years. He's a superb tactician, demands respect and hard work. But I can't see the cowards running our club going for him.
Ten Hag will be my choice, experienced, has a superb knowledge of the game, and manages to get Ajax competing with the best. He's also a very strict manager and plays the high press game. I hope it is either TH or Amorim.

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18 Jan 2022 11:10:03
would be happy with either, but number 1 would be ETH but that's just me.

if we can't get eth till next summer when his contract runs out then let RR do the next 12 months.

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19 Jan 2022 10:50:46
Good post Ken. But if RR has no influence then what’s the point?

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17 Jan 2022 08:37:25
Ed 2. Would you know if the powers that be at Utd are considering Potter as a future manager. Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty sure they are not.}

17 Jan 2022 10:16:27
thank god they are not looking at potter.

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17 Jan 2022 10:22:15
I think Potter is a great manager, doing great things on a tiny budget.

That said I don't think now would be a good time to go for him. The club needs serious rebuilding behind the scenes. Personally I think for us to go for a manager like Potter we need to have a good platform for him to work from, and not have him have to build that platform himself.

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17 Jan 2022 10:41:55
Potter should h stay at Brighton a while longer. Good club, with a good infrastructure, owners and fan base. Let him build on that and see where he takes them.

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17 Jan 2022 11:13:10
get tan hag in, if he can't come in the summer, make a deal to come when his contract runs out the summer after, leg rr continue untill then, then let him go into his further role.

although i think poch is the number 1 target and will prob be who we go for in the summer once PSG fire him for not winning the UCL.

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17 Jan 2022 11:49:52
I'm in two minds about which of Pochettino and EtH would be a better fit for us right now.

EtH has won more, and looks better at developing player, while slightly better tactically.

Yet it's really hard to distinguish what his impact really is in isolation at Ajax. He looks good at developing players for example, yet Ajax are probably one of the best clubs in Europe at developing players. So how much of that comes directly from EtH.
Likewise, Overmars does most of the squad building, EtH just coaches the players he has. Would he be able to do the extra work he'd have at United? Would it distract him from coaching?

Pochettino on the other hand has developed players at Espanyol, Southampton and Spurs with success. So we know he can develop young players. He has shown ambition to be more than just a coach and actually wants to be involved in off pitch areas of management. He plays good football and his style is probably more closely associated with what RR is currently trying to get the squad playing. He is EPL proven, and has now had to handle big ego's at PSG. Something EtH has yet to have been exposed to.

Both have shown the ability to be a project manager, building something up a club that has lost its way over several years to return them back to the top (or in Spurs case get them there for the first time in living memory) .

It's not as clear cut as some might think.

Personally I think EtH would need a better structure behind the scenes to aid his adaption to our club. I think he'd be fantastic at a club like Bayern Munich, City or Liverpool that have a great behind the scenes structure. I think he needs that calmness and stability so he can focus on training the players and getting his ideas across.

He'd have been a phenomenal assistant to Sir Alex in a similar way to Carlos Queiroz. Let him coach while Sir Alex deals with the other off pitch issues.

Does he have what it takes to do that other side of the role without it impacting his coaching?

It would be a gamble by the club to find out.

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17 Jan 2022 11:51:11
I hope not Salford7.

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17 Jan 2022 12:35:36
Cant be as big a gamble as ole shappy, although i do think it will be poch.

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17 Jan 2022 12:54:53
Brighton are my favourite club to watch in the premier league at the moment, they play some great football, direct and create a load of chances. Potter has done a fantastic job there and is a progressive manager who could do great things, that being said as you can see from the responses above he isn’t a ‘big name’ so would already be on a hiding to nothing with our fans so would be pointless. We just need to get someone with a fancy foreign name then everyone will be happy.

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17 Jan 2022 13:25:04
Ive got no problem on him not being a name at all -same as I think now would be a great time for RR to show his supposed acumen in the transfer market in buying the right players for the right positions who he can develop into top level players.

My issue with Potter is i'm old enough to remember the clamour for Curbishley, Steve Clarke, Hoddle, Howe, Martinez, Keane, Coppell to be given jobs in top 6 sides and none of them ever did anything apart from Hoddle who had limited success and who hardly set the world alight at club level.

Would Potter be able to make the step up. good shout for the Everton job first maybe?

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17 Jan 2022 13:36:22
its not about a big name GDS, or a fancy name.

you said it yourself potter "could" do great things but so could managers with a better CV.

we need to learn from previous mistakes and taking a punt on someone whos only jobs are Östersund Swansea and Brighton is a big punt

especially when there will be much better managers available for us to go for.

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17 Jan 2022 14:00:28
I wouldn't be surprised if he is on the shortlist for the next City manager.

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{Ed002's Note - He is not.}

17 Jan 2022 14:30:06
I really like Potter, good manager and will certainly go to a bigger club than Brighton soon but I feel like appointing Potter would be the same feeling and unfortunately outcome as when we appointed Moyes. Poch is probably the best manager who has the best experience to deal with the running of United having worked at Tottenham and PSG.

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{Ed0666's Note - I would take Potter over Poch. Porter with money would be irresistible

17 Jan 2022 14:57:32
Potter is a good manager, Brighton play consistently as a team as opposed to a group of individuals, they're great to watch. They have a good youth set up there as well.
Dan Ashworth, technical director there, has played a big part in Brightons development. I think United enquired about him a few seasons ago. I know he's highly thought of.

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17 Jan 2022 14:57:55
i think city might have arteta or rodgers on there list to replace poch, maybe even eth.

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{Ed077's Note - why would City have a shortlist to replace the PSG manager?

17 Jan 2022 15:02:24
Depends what kind of team you want them to build, Erik would probably put more emphasis on bring through youngsters, whereas Poch would keep more established players.
Either way we are a good few years off challenging.

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17 Jan 2022 16:01:01
We need Harry Potter not Graham Potter.

In all honesty can you really see the likes of Fernandes, Ronaldo, Pogba, De Gea taking orders from Graham Potter? It just wouldn't happen would it.

The club needs a manager that can control this massive bunch of ego maniacs and my pick would be Conte.

I am hearing so many rumours that he's desperate for the United job.

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17 Jan 2022 15:46:19
ment to say pep its auto corrected to poch ed077.

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{Ed077's Note - I knew you meant to say Pep, bolger. I was just trying to be a little funny..

17 Jan 2022 16:39:44
Potter is the flavour of the month. Just like howe was and Sean dyas and many before him.
I like the job he is doing at Brighton but the step up is massive and it would be equally as high risk as ole imo.

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{Ed077's Note - but unlike Howe and Dyche, Potter has done a good job at more than one club.

But I don't think he is ready right now for the big clubs just yet. And I don't think we are structured/ready for such appointments right now.

17 Jan 2022 20:48:19
Cripes not Potter again! It's way beyond him. He is managing a club renowned for scraping draws against midtable sides. I am sure he is a lovely man and fits nicely into the clutch of managers able to make the most of limited players on limited resources etc and while we need someone with those skills we need a tactical genius who can handle egos just as much. I imagine he would die of shock when leading the team out at the Bernabeu on a wednesday night.

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17 Jan 2022 22:28:23
Potter is not another name, another good coach. He had education in what he does. He took a small team in Sweden, won promotions and then he played against top teams in Europa League with 20 times his budget and did fine. Larson said that he could change his system 5 times in the same game and players knew what exactly to do in any case. At Ostersund they were like family and he and his players visited local restaurants etc in order to have better relationship with local people. He trained well his players and they tried ballet (like Kavani) to improve their core strength. He knows exactly what he is doing and does it fine. Last season his "small" team Brighton was on par with is in expected points. They were just bad in front of the goal. This year they too dominate everyone. I am laughing because people wanted Ole who played like a big big underdog against say Liverpool's and don't want Potter who his small team fears none. Then give him a better squad and resources and you have nothing to fear.

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17 Jan 2022 23:30:20
Herrera players now are not like players 10 years ago they are mard, brats and think they have done it all once they get there 250k a week contract

Imagine rashford and maguire doing ballet

We need to get shot of the rotten eggs.

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18 Jan 2022 02:32:44
If they trust the manager they buy it. They would follow Pep instructions because of they know its for their own good. I am sure Potter would win player's trust. And i don't speak about Maguire's and Rashfords. I would like Potter along with 2-3 big homegrown players like Rice and Jude, some players from our academies and some foreigners. Total rebuild. Let him put his stamp and his dna.

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17 Jan 2022 20:39:01
😂 this phone ed it does it all the time, i read back through my posts and see all the mistakes in the spelling and just laugh


He only managed swansea ed. And was there for 12 months

Well he managed a team I've never heard of but i think he needs to prove himself elsewhere.

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{Ed077's Note - Potter gave a decent account of him at Swansea I would say when they were struggling a little financially. And he did a really good job at Ostersunds.

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