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19 Apr 2021 09:07:02
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19 Apr 2021 08:23:09
I expect there will be a few who declare their love for United is over because of the Super league, I won't be one of them, I will take a calmer view when we really see what it means. The club has embarrassed themselves a few times before and keep doing. Right now this feels a bit like the announcement of Kerry Packer for those that remember cricket in the 70's. it ended up revolutionising the game which had become stale. Has football become stale, a bit, yes.

Thing for me is how those who on here and elsewhere have defended the Glazers, telling us they were investing in the club, whilst they financially weakened the club, will now scream loudly about the injustice of chasing more money. Maybe if they hadn't chosen to ignore how the Glazers bought the club, racked up debts, then they might have thought twice before screaming. The loudest voices who support Utd in the media like Neville have hardly been vociferous about the owners, yet now scream greed. Ole himself talked about the owners investing in the club when they haven't put one single cent of their own money in. Now it all comes home to roost.

Matt Busby was a pioneer, took us in the European Cup when the FA were dead against it. In fact Munich happened when United were trying to get back from a European fixture and the FA insisted they could not put back the next league fixture. Everyone is up in arms right now but change happens and the experience says wait and see before screaming. What rankles me is this is about greed not to better football as Busby did in the 50's, yet too many fans, pundits and those in the game turned a blind eye to the greed and money drivers of existing owners.

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19 Apr 2021 08:41:24
Completely agree, if you wanted football clubs to remain community organisations, rules should have been put in place to ringfence them as institutions that must have some level of community ownership whether that's a members scheme or germamys 50+1 rule.

The idea you could leave the safeguarding of the game to sheikh mansour, malcolm glazer and family, kroenke, fsg and abrahamovic is laughable.

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19 Apr 2021 09:01:52
Spot on redman.
I am very interested to see what transpires.
Radical change is needed. What that looks like is still to be determined. English football is not sustainable in its current format. Clubs have gone bust many more will. Same as many local green grocers. The people moaning about losing their local green grocers have been waking past it for years to get to the shop that offers more value for their pound. Then when the green grocer or local store closes them those same people that have been waking past the shop in search of better value blame the greedy fat cats.

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19 Apr 2021 08:04:21
Don't post much these days, but I had too. Absolutely sickened at our once great club. My love for football has been on the decline in recent years, billionaire owners with no interest in football taking over clubs and paying extortionate wages and fees while driving up the cost of attending games, merchandise and even tv subscriptions doesn't sit well with me. They have forgotten the fundamental foundation of every club, the working class families who spend hard earn money supporting them. It's no longer a game for the working man, and they really couldn't care less.

Who wants to see our club playing in a league with no pressure to win or lose, no relegation threat, just a league where the owners make billions with nothing to play for. Remember 20 years ago the magic of CL games under the flood lights, I used to love them games, the odd occasion you had Real Madrid or Juventus visiting. Who wants that on a weekly basis

Our club has sold its soul and if they go ahead with this, I'll never attend another game. I'll continue to support my local club Wrexham. Absolutely disgusted with United.

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19 Apr 2021 08:18:47
With you completely Stan-United.

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19 Apr 2021 08:22:30
Couldn't agree more Stand, I didn't realise Wrexham is your local club, it is mine also, will have to join you on matchday and discuss when United used to be a football club.

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19 Apr 2021 08:37:34
With you a 100%.
I tend to think this will be negotiated away into something different.

I will support us until the day I die but hate the owners, vehemently.

I will do all I can to resist any temptation to watch this ESL, I won't spend money on a shirt or any over official merchandise either.

This denigrates the memory of the babes and all the things Busby stood for. I hope there's a civil war behind the scenes.

It's very telling that foreign owners don't respect 100s of years of institution.

If it carries on, I think I'm off to non league.

Won't be posting much going forward, time for a break. Love to all, keep safe.

Props to: Ngiak, Rainfish, Sydney, Shaps, Ken, redman, stand and many more who I've missed I've enjoyed reading many of your opinions over the years.

Stay classy reds.

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19 Apr 2021 08:39:45
I've already stopped watching United lollll.

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19 Apr 2021 07:39:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 17th April 2021

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19 Apr 2021 00:13:16
Well gents, it's been a pleasure but I can no longer say I will be a registered supporter of our once great club. I hope we get a massive pints deduction, fine and then every player asks to leave.

Utterly shameful behaviour - the football love affair dies today.

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{Ed0666's Note - I think you’ve succinctly expressed what most honorable football fans are thinking fresh. Thankyou

19 Apr 2021 07:14:45
Same here. I'm ashamed and couldn't have expressed my feelings better than Gary Neville did.

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19 Apr 2021 07:45:07
There will be so much refining and alteration of the existing proposition during negotiation in order to get a compromise that works for most.
Its not for the faint hearted these type of radical changes. But radical changes are needed in order to build a sustainable model works.
No point in saying I'm out until we know what the final proposals are. All the pundits that are up in arms did make the move to the premiership and to a cl that had more than league winners in it.
Progression will happen progression should happen and it will look very different from the starting point put out yesterday.
Let there be no panic. Let's see what the compromise proposals are when they come. Sounds exciting to me with some obvious alterations.
Lots bemoaned the epl until we started winning it.
Lads on here from every corner of the world sporting united over their local teams. I'm looking forward to see what direction they take and how they do it.

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19 Apr 2021 08:10:09
Sorry ken but that’s bollox. However you dress it up it’s bollox. That our club can even consider this option is a disgrace. The founding of the EPL didn’t so many other clubs possibly facing bankruptcy due to the financial pyramid collapsing. Bollox.

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19 Apr 2021 08:16:40
Sounds anything but exciting to me Ken. The beauty of football in this country is the strength in depth of the 4 leagues, the competition in the National League and thriving grass roots football. They’ve all been s*** on from a great height.

How dare a team like Spurs say they are a Super League club when they’ve one bugger all. Clubs like Villa and Forest are much bigger clubs who will now be thrust into some sort of second string domestic league?

The current model needed tweaking to become more sustainable. Tougher FFP laws and more fair distribution of capital across the leagues, especially following the C.V.

So we are now in the position that, apparently, Roma and Villareal will be going straight through to the Europa League final. PSG crowned Champions League winners and god knows what domestically. West Ham champions?

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19 Apr 2021 08:16:47
Weren't there howls of derision back in 56-57 when we first decided to join a European competition against the wishes of the FA, who said it would destroy the integrity of the English game and then threaten to dock points.

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19 Apr 2021 08:26:34
The foundation of the epl did exactly that scooby.
Im interested to see what the final propossls will be. I'd like to think they are a far way removed from the proposals laid out yesterday.
Once I know what they are I'll know if I'm in favour until then I'll reserve judgement.
Plenty of posters and editors on this site scoff at the EL or league Cup. Not worth winning they say only for losers. Why enter. We're too good. Play the reserves. That's what some eds and posters have been saying. Its what many elitist fans say. Lots of double standards and lots of 2 faced or 3 faced remarks to the small comps and wanting to dis respect those comps.
All I'm saying is wait and see it will be a far cry from the original proposal and the current model is failing. Small clubs are failing. Things need to change. They don't need to change as set out yesterday but its a starting point and there will be lots of negotiating and compromising to be done on all sides to find a more sustainable model.

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19 Apr 2021 08:51:49
This has no upside to me.

Where's the incentive? Arsenal are going to finish 10th and be in it. Why would players move to a club not playing in it? Where's the incentive for smaller clubs moving forward? That you might be one of 5 clubs throughout Europe that is thrown a bone? Where's the incentive to win the league or do as best as you can of qualification is guaranteed?

Those European nights at old Trafford were special. Granted not lately but playing Madrid now and again is a lot more exciting then seeing them every year. It's rubs the shine off it.

This looks like a big poker game and both sides are bluffing. The players won't stand for being barred from world cups, so they have to get for a on board. Seeing as they are run by dinosaurs and are allergic to too much change and giving away power, I doubt it.

This is just a blatant money grab by foreign owners. Based on American ideas of promotion or relegation. I see Joel Glazer is vice chairman of the new league and that makes me sick. It's bad enough he owns us now he's actually going to be the public face or the super league?

It's not been picked on football merit. It's what your turnover is. It's more telling they announce this when no fans are at games. They would be getting players and no ammount of sky hitting the mute button would save them.

I'm disgusted by the greed and the club's throwing away the domestic game.

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19 Apr 2021 08:52:59
Like playing chess with a pigeon ken 🙄.

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19 Apr 2021 08:54:00
Fresh the strength of the 4 league system.
They are drowning mate in the bottom 2 league for sure and many championship clubs. If you think that's a strength your very much mistaken.

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19 Apr 2021 09:02:56
Perfectly true grim.

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18 Apr 2021 22:16:36
I wonder if any of the eds can shed any light on the rumoured new super league and why the suggested teams think it is better than the current set ups of national leagues and eufa competitions

Thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - It is being driven by thoughts of a different future and more money.}

18 Apr 2021 22:32:58
Thanks Ed but rich fat cats getting fatter isn't likely to benefit the majority of clubs and potentially alienate fans who just like things as they are. I don't disagree that eufa and fifa maybe need something like this to shake up their power bases. They are surely currently their own closed shop but not sure this is the best option.

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{Ed002's Note - You are making this sound like something new. These ideas are discussed regularly and folks from China and the US all want to offer up a money making idea. Only last year Manchester United and Liverpool’s owners conspired over Project Bigfoot. The Liverpool owners want to start building a soccer empire and have linked up with Damian Comolli’s Toulouse after selling more than 10% of their business. Other clubs have different drivers - the Spanish clubs to get out of their huge financial holes. All the rights would be traded to JP Morgan for underwriting funding for x years.}

18 Apr 2021 22:46:55
Yea it's no longer about clubs who have formed out of works teams it's all about big business and making money. I find that sad.

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18 Apr 2021 22:50:34
I guess that's what happens when clubs are run by bankers, investors and economists.

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{Ed0666's Note - you spelt bankers incorrectly mate

18 Apr 2021 22:07:58
So the initial ideas for super league include (according to the times) ;
- The 15 founder clubs sharing an initial 3.5billion (£3.1billion) euro “infrastructure grant” ranging from £310million to £89million per club which can be spent on stadiums, training facilities or “to replace lost stadium-related revenues due to C.V.”.

- The format would see two groups of 10 clubs who play home and away, with the top four from each group going through to two-legged quarter-finals, semi-finals and a one-legged final.

- Matches would be midweek and clubs would still play in domestic leagues

- Clubs would have rights to show four matches a season on their own the digital platforms across the world

- Income from TV and sponsorship would favour the founding clubs: 32.5% of the pot would be shared equally between the 15 clubs, and another 32.5% between all Super League clubs including the five qualifiers

- 20% of the pot would be merit money “distributed in the same manner as the current English Premier League merit-based system” according to where clubs finish in the competition or group if they don’t make the knock-out stage

- The remaining 15% would get a “commercial share based on club awareness”

- A cap of 55% of revenues permitted to be spent on salaries and transfers (net)

- A ‘Financial Sustainability Group’ would monitor clubs’ spending

American Bank J P Morgan have committed a huge, approx 6 billion dollars to the project.

So, if there are five qualifiers, seemingly not a totally closed shop. No doubt these would be a starting point for discussion, but I suspect there will ultimately be changes to the status quo and one way or another the big clubs will get a larger slice of the pie.

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18 Apr 2021 18:23:12
Gary Neville speaking the truth in regards to clubs signing a letter of intent. They/ we should be seriously punished for this.

Iv been a fan of United my whole life. My dad, his dad have been fans. It's one of the constant joys iv had in my life, but if the club does decide to play in a Super League, I'll be done with the club and probably the sport.

Disgusting behaviour from the owners of these clubs.

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18 Apr 2021 18:31:53
Completely agree. If this happens I will be finding another club. These owners know nothing about history and tradition, the pyramid means nothing to them. It makes me feel physically sick that this is even being considered, Money is God.

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18 Apr 2021 18:45:08
On the plus side, I could see the glaziers selling if they go ahead with it and it pushed the share price up.

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18 Apr 2021 18:47:04
In my opinion a breakaway European Super League would be the death of our great Club.
A closed shop with guaranteed revenue yet no pressure to win anything in order to safeguard income would be absolute panacea for the Glazers but purgatory for the fans!
I’m all for modernisation but a breakaway is not the way to do it.
At least the qualification process keeps the Glazers moderately honest and interested imagine where we’d be if they had a licence to print money yet no incentive to spend it?! Whipping boys for Real Madrid!
Modernisation is coming but surely not like this?

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18 Apr 2021 19:30:00
Completely the emotions in this argument but surely its just the natural progression of the sport as a commercial/ financial entity.

A similar way to how the premier league was developed in 1992, or maybe i am reading the whole thing wrong, as not too many are complaining about the premier league as a concept?

Surely a european super league is just a progression from that.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, the whole structure needs a shake up.}

18 Apr 2021 19:48:26
It just seems to me that the more the game "grows" the duller it becomes.

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18 Apr 2021 19:49:11
There's a difference to changing the top tier or re-branding a league in the domestic pyramid and going off and having a closed shop for the European Elite to compete against each other with nothing at stake. League titles won in 1920 were still league titles when the Premier League wad introduced.

In theory it will be a "better" competition but if you think our owners will pump money to compete in it you're wrong. They have no ambition to compete with City and Liverpool domestically, they certainly won't try and compete with 19 other elite clubs.

This isn't about trying to evolve the game of football, this is simply owners wanting a bigger slice of cheese.

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18 Apr 2021 20:21:54
Will the Euro Super League end up like the NFL, with owners having a franchise that they can move to the most lucrative market.

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18 Apr 2021 20:28:46
Just my reading of the situation. We will see if there is going to be a European super league, however, it looks to me like the big clubs have tried to change the status quo for some time but have been thwarted. The premier league has a set number of clubs who will not vote for change, they would lose too much money. They won’t change the TV money or the number of teams in the league. The TV money has likely not been split in the way the top clubs want, they likely want to receive what they see is their true value, after all they will know Liverpool v Real Madrid will coin in far more than Liverpool v Fulham. No disrespect to Fulham.

May be wrong but one way to get change where there are what the top teams will see as intransigence to change after trying everything is to pull the pin and chuck a grenade in, maybe not having the six clubs and far far less money is worse than having them but with less money and a smaller number in the league.

Times change, those screaming like Gary Nev were not shouting that loudly when the Premier League started. Change happens, will it be a European Super league, I don’t know. Personally we know there are too many games now yet no one is willing to grab the issue, maybe now they will.

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{Ed002's Note - It would not b a vote for the Premier League.}

18 Apr 2021 20:52:06
I really don't know the concept as such but just reading the posts makes me wonder is it really such a bad thought. I mean instead of facing Astana or a Turkish unknown would it not be better to compete against Juve or Real Madrid? As such we are not competing to win the Champions League and as Mumbles says we won't be competing to win that. So what difference does this make to us. I may be completely wrong here so inputs are appreciated.

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18 Apr 2021 20:54:32
Football is dead, long live football.

This is all about money. Manchester United, Liverpool Chelsea etc they all know the truth, people around the world tune in and pay a premium to watch them and not Fulham, Sheffield United, or West Brom.

It just so happens that this week the "big clubs are playing one of the smaller clubs this week.

When 30 or 40 million people world wide watch an EPL game, who do you think they want to see? Manchester United or Liverpool or are they watching to see the team they have never heard of.

So you can see the big clubs logic, if it is their name the prestige of their club which is drawing in the audience then why should the other club receive half of the revenue?

It's unsavoury and we don't like to talk about it, but this is just the natural progression. When is fans want to see our club sign the next world star for 100m such as Haaland, then those fans must accept that the money needs to come from somewhere.

We wear United shirts made by poor people in far flung corners of the world, paid a pittence or in some cases not at all.

Same for all the merchandise with a United badge slapped on it.

You're kids Manchester United wallpaper, their Manchester United pajamas, your Manchester United coffee mug or key chain.

People taken advantage of and we are the consumers of that. All to bring glory to our club, to sign the best players and have the best chance to win titles.

So we can hardly take the moral high ground and tut at the next money spinning step like it's gone too far.

When we say we are the biggest club in the world that is though selling our club worldwide.

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18 Apr 2021 20:55:47
This is getting a bit farcical, why is gary neville on the verge of tears on live television lamenting greed when he's own half of manchester and part owns a football club who through massive investment relative to their competition have leapfrogged into league 2.

Also why is the prime minister of the country commenting on this, surely he has more important things to worry about 😂.

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18 Apr 2021 21:23:31
The club's are crapping themselves because the top 4 is no longer guaranteed. We can no longer raid Spurs, Everton, Villa of their best players like we could in the past.

It was all Rosie when football's top table was small enough for the elite clubs to keep getting their slice. Now with major foreign investors and T. V money, competition is a lot higher.

Some of the so call elite can't keep up. A. C. Milan have been brutal for a over a decade, Arsenal have never won the Champions league and are nowhere near good enough to pitted against the elite. Liverpool weren't invited to these talks for the last decade. Take our own club. Havnt won a league in 8 years, consistently embarrassed in the champions league when we do manage to qualify.

This isn't the evolution of the sport. This is rich owners picking up and moving their clubs where they can make more money.

I have no doubt that the structure of the game needs addressing. But moving 20 "elite" clubs to their own boxed off competition will do nothing to improve the sport.

I see responses saying they would rather watch United v Madrid on a Monday instead of United v Burnley. What happens when this becomes the norm? People enjoy the spectacle of a big game, but if there's 10/ 20 big games a week it loses its appeal.

It's like that guy who loves Christmas so much he celebrates it every day. Celebrating it every day is actually counterintuitive because it's no longer special.

Again, this isn't football scholars trying to improve the game, this is vultures fattening up a cow before the strip the bones.

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18 Apr 2021 21:25:37
Football is boring without success or failure, its crept in gradually the need to not necessarily be successful,
Last season we finished 3rd 33 points behind the league winners and 32 points above relegation, that got us into the champions league, we were knocked out of that at the first hurdle possible but we weren't out of Europe, we just changed competition .
It sounds so bad a super league and such a bad idea, but the idea of you don't get punished for failure has been tolerated for quite a while now.

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19 Apr 2021 00:28:16
No fan welcoming this is a match going regular. Something thought up to appease people that are thousands of miles away from these clubs traditional heartlands. Another slap in the face for the working class. Utd will never see another penny from me if this goes ahead.

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{Ed0666's Note - hear hear

19 Apr 2021 07:42:28
Surely it's all just a wind-up to gain some footing in today's UEFA announcements? Why announce it the night before otherwise?

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19 Apr 2021 07:56:52
Working class and people and football became detached strangers a long time ago.

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19 Apr 2021 08:07:53
I blame Michael Knighton and his ball juggling skills, its been all down hill since then.

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18 Apr 2021 18:12:51

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P.S it isnt the sharkopod though :-)}

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