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01 Jun 2022 09:52:47
Hi Ed002, you mentioned on the Everton page that Richarlison could be offered to Real Madrid or Man United through his agent.

Do the club have any interest in signing him?

DSG

{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}


1.) 01 Jun 2022 11:37:11
Lets hope. not.


 

 

19 May 2022 23:12:00
Dean Henderson to Newcastle?

Makes a little bit of sense as a permanent move if we need to bring in money.

But doesn't make much sense as a loan deal, if were being honest newcastle will potentially be challenging for europe next season, doesn't make sense to strengthen a rival.

DSG

1.) 19 May 2022 23:26:24
Think I’d prefer Dubravka….


 

 

18 Jun 2021 18:24:36
Reports that ole is going make a definitive decision on the number 1 spot and has opted for Henderson.

Not an easy call to make and leaves the club in a tough position with DDG.

An alexis type loan deal most likely for him I assume if he wants first team football next season.

DSG

1.) 18 Jun 2021 22:23:23
The sensible decision.


2.) 19 Jun 2021 07:32:32
The sensible decision in what way? DDG has been a loyal servant, Henderson has had one good season at Sheff Utd and has more market value. Just because it’s the decision you’d make doesn’t make it sensible Shappy. Think i speak for many on here when I say the sooner you realise that the better.


3.) 19 Jun 2021 07:37:47
What are the loan options, most clubs seem settled in the goalkeeping department, and then there is the matter of his £375k a week wages to cover.


4.) 19 Jun 2021 07:57:45
Thats why its going to have to be an alexis type deal where we pay a fair chunk of the players wages while they play for their loan club.


5.) 19 Jun 2021 09:21:28
Red Whiskey, DDG has continued to decline every year for the past 3 seasons. That is not a blip but a clear pattern of decline.

Currently Henderson and DDG although having different strengths and qualities are probably on par.

So if you have two keepers, on a similar level, but one is declining while the other is improving then surely backing the keeper who is on the up is the sensible thing to do.

DDG has been a loyal servant and he has been paid handsomely for it. He is the highest paid player in the league, yet he isn't even in the top ten best players in the league currently. He has also had a little dig at the club in a post wishing Romero the best. Saying that Romero deserves to be treated well by his next club. He might be 100% right in what he is saying. Yet to publicly back a player leaving the club over the club doesn't look great.

Personally given that it will be hard to sell DDG this summer then loaning him out seems like the best and most sensible decision.

That way both keepers understand their role and it removes the indecision that has impacted both of their performances this season.

Henderson gets a shot at proving himself without the spectre of DDG hanging over his head.

DDG gets a fresh club to play at which might give him the jolt needed to get him back to his best form.

While if Henderson flops then we still have DDG on the books to come back.


6.) 19 Jun 2021 09:30:51
RedWhiskey

What are you on about? It looks like you have a massive soft spot for DDG. Logically thinking, DDG does not deserve to be first choice gk anymore. He has been horrible for past three years and yet is the highest paid player in the league.

Form loss usually only last for weeks or months. DDG has lost his form for 3 years now which means he is in decline. As much he has done for the club, it is time to say good bye.

It is sad to see many people slating henderson just because he is here to replace their beloved DDG. Henderson is still learning and can only be better. He is better in everthing compared to DDG except shot stopping. To be fair, DDG has never been good at anything except shot stopping and there was no one better than him.

As Shappy said, sensible thing is to go for Henderson as first choice and sell DDG. If he was at low wage then i would understand but he is at incredibly stupid wage which is not healthy for the club.


7.) 19 Jun 2021 10:31:40
Henderson is a perfectly adequate goalkeeper, but is that what we want, adequate.

We all agree that DDG needs to be moved on, ideally he would like to go back to Madrid, but neither club there looks an option at the moment. Heard that he sounded out Barcelona as he is close friends with Aguero, but the money situation is too difficult to overcome.

The more you look at it the madder his contract looks, with three years to run and £60million still due to him. Those are big numbers for loan clubs to consider and even bigger for United for someone who might not be playing for you, dwarfs the cost of sacking Jose which cost us only £20million.

Personally I would prefer if we went for someone like Meslier, who is already ahead of Henderson in ability, yet three years younger.


8.) 19 Jun 2021 10:50:58
Grim, he only has two years left on his contact until June 2023. I fully agree that in hindsight the length and size of his contract seems like a bad decision.

I disagree that Henderson is merely "adequate". I think he is a very talented keeper. I'm also not the only one, with teams such as Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, PSG and Dortmund all having had him seriously scouted and interested in signing him (although with PSG signing Donnarumma I expect their interest has gone now) .

Top sides are interested because they see the talent in him. I'd say his current level is greater than that of DDG during his first couple of season's with us.

It would be madness of the club to let him go without giving him a season as first choice to see if he can prove himself at the highest level.


9.) 19 Jun 2021 11:40:05
For me there is no contest between them. If DDG can restore his confidence, which is the problem, then in terms of skill I haven't seen Henderson do anything in the numerous chances he was given last season to suggest he's anywhere near the same level. He's English and has come through our ranks and people like that. But he's not really done a thing as far as I'm concerned other than play well for a lesser side on loan where he was tested far more often.


10.) 19 Jun 2021 11:56:26
Hendo for me all day long. If we lose him we will be searching for a new number 1 in a year or 2 and will struggle to find a keeper as good as him because if he's playing every week he's going to get better.


11.) 19 Jun 2021 12:40:00
Option on the additional year Shappy, we usually extend those because we want to get a fee for a player. With the exception of the Dog Walker, have we ever let a player at DDG's level go without asking for money in return?

I agree Henderson is talented, but so is Lingard, at United he is a squad player, not a first team player.

Interesting that Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, PSG and Dortmund all looked at Dean. However PSG decided on Donnurumma, Dortmund went with Kobel, Spurs were actually looking at Maignan until he went to Milan, Chelsea considered Donnarumma, but now he has gone to PSG will stick with what they have and Arsenal want Onana.


12.) 19 Jun 2021 13:52:27
The problem is, is that DDG has made mistakes for the past 3 years and until this season wasn't dropped. Romero deserved to be our number 1.

In OGS first season DDG cost us a place in the CL by making some very silly errors, which were partly down to OGS wanting to play out from the back. The club then went on to offer him a huge new contract, which he didn't deserve due to how poor his form was. Even Mourinho said on Sky Sports that is was very surprised that he got a deal like that given how poor he had been.

OGS can't make a decision. He Brough Henderson back, left Romero in the lurch and the only GK who was probably happy was Grant.

I can't wait for the club to offer pogba a new monster deal and watch him play poorly again. He clearly doesn't want to be at the club. During the Euros his comments have made it obvious.

Utd are a poorly managed club, run by amateurs.


13.) 19 Jun 2021 14:08:12
There is no proof that Henderson will only get better and improve and there is no proof that a goalkeeper at 31 will keep declining.
The only real question is if we believe Henderson will become a top top keeper, i personally don't. So we have two options:
1) We believe in him becoming a top keeper and far better than the current ability of De Gea so we keep him.
2)We don't believe in him and believe that it is a risk so we sell him NOW because now his price is higher. After 1-2 average seasons his price will go down. Furthermore between two "average" keepers i would prefer the one with the expiration date (De Gea) . He has two year contract and we have enough time to think about his replacement if we won't renew his contract. He will also be 33 and we will have an easy desicion. With Henderson it will not be an easy desicion because of age and nationality, so if he is half decent stick with him so stick with an average keeper.
So the sensible choice is stick with De Gea and at the same time try to find his replacement after 1-2 seasons.


14.) 19 Jun 2021 14:14:59
Hatter,

You’ve just said OGS can’t make a decision then described the decision he made. I think what you mean is he made a decision you didn’t agree with which is different.


15.) 19 Jun 2021 14:37:30
Id sell them both and go for Oblak. You never know until you ask.


16.) 19 Jun 2021 15:17:47
Is this a new trend over here where players are judged without being given a proper chance to prove themselves? And yet we got Ole in charge.

I agree DeGea is the more experienced and better shot stopper of the two and if possible I would have him as No.1 with Henderson as backup rotating with him and gaining experience in the process.

However, if we have to make a choice then based on the mistakes made by both I would keep Henderson as he is much younger and a better all round keeper and has time on his side to improve upon his weakness. I would give him a season to see if he can step up and if not we can always get someone better.

The problem though is with DeGea's contract right now and we somehow need to handle that.

GrimisnotDead as far as Lingard is concerned he was given more than enough chances in the first team which he failed to take. And other teams haven't come in for Hendo probably because we are not yet ready to let him go.


17.) 19 Jun 2021 16:02:25
It's definetely the riskier of the options. Ole immediately alienated Lukaku upon his arrival in place of the local lad. After numerous options up front the situation will require major attention at the end of this season. Will history repeat itself?

I personally think it's the wrong decision but I hate the idea of rotating GKs. If he's chosen Henderson then so be it.


18.) 19 Jun 2021 21:08:56
LPU, wasn't Lingard only behind Lukaku in the scoring stats in 17/ 18 under Jose, hardly not taking his chance. He then had his dip in form which was due to his well know off field issues. Ole initially refused to let him go on loan, its was only because Jesse forced the issue that Ole buckled, and you have to agree he took his chance at WH.

Teams haven't come in for Hendo because clubs know we aren't ready to let him go? That is not how football works, if a club was truly interested in him they would have already sounded out his agent about the possibility of a move, the fact that the majority have scouted him and moved on says alot.

But that is the beauty of football, we all have opinions, for me Henderson would be perfect for an Everton or West Ham, but not a top four team, which is what we expect to be.


19.) 20 Jun 2021 04:47:01
GrimisnotDead, Lingard played well for a while but he was afforded a lot of chances to make the position his own which he failed to do so. So, effectively he has not taken his chance.

How do you know that other clubs haven't come in for him? And without even giving Henderson a proper chance why are you even judging him to not be good for us? Just give him a chance to prove himself before making a hasty judgement.


20.) 20 Jun 2021 07:53:18
Grim, I don't think Lingard and Henderson's situations are comparable.

Lingard has made 133 appearances for the club over a 7 year period, under three different managers.

Henderson has made 13 appearances, in one year, under one manager, with 8 of them coming in a run of consecutive games.

Teams have come in for Henderson, they have approached his agent and they have approached the club and have been met with a flat out no.

The fact they have moved on when a top club have refused to sell them a player, only says they are well run and not stupid.


21.) 20 Jun 2021 08:12:12
Herrera, while there might not be any definitive proof that a 24 year old goalkeeper will continue to improve. It's pretty well accepted that most players hit their peaks in their late 20's or early 30's. With keepers often hitting their peaks later and sustaining it for longer.

So while there is not proof that Henderson will improve, probably around 90% of keepers at his age will continue to improve.

Is there any definitive proof that DDG will continue to decline? No, but he has shown a steady and continuous decline over the past 3 seasons. That's more than a blip. Poor form lasts week's, maybe months, but not years.

For me the only way I see DDG rediscovering his form is if he moves and has a new challenge. Even then I doubt that will see him return to his absolute best.

For me he is a similar keeper to Casillas. Great shot stopper, average at everything else. Even at his peak DDG was weak in the air, his distribution was average, his command of his area was poor. But he made saves that no one had a right to make. His reactions were freakish.

The issue is as you age your reaction speed declines first. We saw it with Casillas and we are seeing it with DDG. His shot stopping is still way above average, but it's not anywhere near where it was when he was 26. And in my opinion it never will be again.

This has exposed DDG's lack of quality in all other goalkeeping departments. His inability to play out from the back has seen him lose his spot for the national team, first to Kepa now to Simon.

Both decent keepers but not world class.

The reality is that he is likely to continue to decline. Apparently Ole has set him with specific training to try and improve his distribution. Something I wonder why no other managers/ goalkeeping coaches have done. Over the past 8 years he should have been working to improve his weaknesses and make himself a better all round keeper, that would have mitigated his loss in reaction time as he aged and would have kept him near the top.

Currently there are maybe 4 or 5 keepers in the EPL better than him. With some young ones who over the next year or so might overtake him as well. Dean Henderson being one of them.

I expect if you went to all the top sides and offered them DDG or Henderson right now for the same price, say 30m. The majority would pick Henderson. That tells you all you need to know about who should be out No.1.


22.) 20 Jun 2021 08:38:42
I miss van der Sar : (.


23.) 20 Jun 2021 09:39:56
Trololo, I miss VDS, my personal favourite keeper during my lifetime.


 

 

04 Jan 2021 20:54:57
Rojo to boca juniors? Not sure if accurate but Would make sense for him to finish his playing back in his natice argentina.

DSG

 

 

27 Jul 2020 10:12:15
Does jack grealish helping villa stay up make it easier or harder for a deal to be done to sign him up?

DSG

{Ed002's Note - It makes no difference.}


 

 

 

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10 Jun 2022 08:53:35
Personal opinion but I wouldn't put too much weight to the Darwin Nunez transfer, seems very much a case of champions league football being the deciding factor for the player which is out of our control now.

The bell weather for how our summer is going to pan out seems more likely to be the De Jong transfer. I mean if Ten Hag and the club are unable to convince a player who I can only assume has a good relationship with the manager after helping him develop at Ajax, combined with the fact FDJ is basically being forced out of Barcelona due to financial reasons then its going to be a long painful summer.

Also central midfield is a much higher priority area than forward areas, we don't have one single proven premier league quality level player in that area of the pitch at the moment.

DSG

1.) 10 Jun 2022 10:06:40
I get UCL is the attraction but why not think

"Ill join and help get united back into the UCL"

Ill be part of this "rebuild" and get united back.


2.) 10 Jun 2022 10:07:28
Agree on much of that DSG. On the one hand if Nunez is/ was a priority target for ten Hag then the club should go all out for him. From another perspective that main central midfielder IMO is the key position the club needs and I suspect much of the budget and outcome of filling that role could dictate everything else we can do this summer so makes sense to sort that out first. Perhaps that's why it doesn't feel like much is happening.


3.) 10 Jun 2022 11:12:05
Bolger haha. Will ya stop ?.


4.) 10 Jun 2022 11:29:10
Bolger.
Nunez may be thinking "Hope Real Madrid comes in for me so I can win UCL 4 or 5 times before my retirement (irrespective of the manager) and Liverpool won't be the same if Klopp quits sometime in future. "


5.) 10 Jun 2022 11:38:11
Angelred ??.


6.) 10 Jun 2022 12:34:19
Im not sure why everyones so hot under the collar about nunez. Ed had told us he wants champs league so for me personally that meant wed have to pay over the top wages wise to even get him to consider us. That has been half of our issue in recent times. Something that needs to stop. i'd rather players want to come to play for the club not for the wages on offer. Couple that with the fact we need 2 cms a rb a cb really before we think of a striker. The spine of the squad needs fixing before jumping on these icing on the cake type signings.


7.) 10 Jun 2022 13:11:06
Correct W16. We need the sponge before the king.


8.) 10 Jun 2022 13:37:58
Icing. Not king dammit.


9.) 10 Jun 2022 13:39:38
So we don't pay top dollar, miss out on preferred targets who are good, settle for second grades and then have a chance of missing out on CL again next season. And then repeat.


10.) 10 Jun 2022 14:23:48
How did di maria work out? Or Pogba?

Was everyone fighting over Salah when Liverpool moved onto their 4th choice forward?

We need good recruits that will fight for the badge and the manager. There are many good players in the world who don't work out at certain clubs.


11.) 10 Jun 2022 18:29:10
Have you considered united were never even in for Nunez, and it’s just agent and his club bumping up the price, I have not heard any United official say we want Nunez. just some on here been banging on about it, maybe ETH don’t even want him, perhaps he don’t suit his style, maybe ETH thinks he won’t suit premier, who knows but if agent club get another 10 mil from Liverpool, we’ll done that’s business.

{Ed014's Note - have you considered you’ve just grasp at some straw to make yourself feel better that another player chose a bigger and better club? ?‍♂️


12.) 10 Jun 2022 18:42:06
If you go on that basis Duvin then you can probably stop reading 99.9% of everything about player transfers fullstop.


13.) 10 Jun 2022 19:33:59
I don't get the big deal.
He wants to go to Liverpool.
They are in great shape on the pitch have a good manager and are competing for the top prizes.
Unlike you ed014 I don't believe they are a bigger or better club but respect totally that they are in a great period (although only moderately successful) under klopp. They have a really good squad. Liverpool are at a moment in time where they can attract players of the highest calibre due to having an inspirational manager and I can understand why any player would want to play under klopp. But they also have a history and tradition that helps attract players even during their league trophy 30 year famine they still attracted plenty of top players. (Along with plenty of dross not looking at you David speedie?)
No club gets all their 1st choices.
Madrid lost out to city and psg this summer.
City lost out on kane.
It's not a big deal when you miss out on any signing nor is there any shame in it.
Move on to the next target if you can't close the deal.

{Ed014's Note - financially is the only way you’re bigger mate.


14.) 10 Jun 2022 19:41:10
Yes ed014 I considered all aspects and like you I have no idea if we were in for him, if he is even wanted or not, just not worth keep banging on about him and just speculating and moaning.


15.) 10 Jun 2022 19:41:56
Ed014 I give you better at the moment but hardly bigger is it!

{Ed014's Note - it’s not about cash or a run down old stadium though is it, it’s about trophies and football.


16.) 10 Jun 2022 19:45:06
Spenno, I do disregard 99.9 % of speculation, it’s not worth concerning yourself with giving it time and energy, because the clue is in the name…speculation! That’s sells newspapers and gets clicks, everyone loves to attached big named clubs and names to anything, I only believe it when they actually walk on the pitch having signed.
So don’t lose no sleep over who maybe coming or going, same as I don’t lose any sleep over what the club spends not my money!


17.) 10 Jun 2022 20:02:27
Ed014. Look at the official list of fan base for 2021 I think you will find it’s Madrid, Barca, United……. No I not counted them that would be impossible. but that’s the official figures…of course if it was Arsenal that would be easy for me to count!

{Ed014's Note - oh so it’s defo not football and titles but fans and money! ???


18.) 10 Jun 2022 21:32:04
So how far do you want to go back Ed 30 years? 40 50 or just the last 7 where they have won 1 more epl title than United?

{Ed014's Note - go back as long as you like Ken, how many Champions leagues is it. How many multiple titles.

Fans money and size of stadium is your lot mate.

You’ve had one decent manager, they’ve had a succession of them.

Bob Paisley being the best of the best in relation to top tier British managers.


19.) 10 Jun 2022 22:23:37
Ed you seem to forget that we could of dominated Europe in the 60’s but we’ll never know due to the Munich air disaster
How many Champions league have your lot won.

{Ed014's Note - ?‍♂️


20.) 10 Jun 2022 22:34:31
Highly doubt Nunez wants Liverpool based on titles in the 80s and because seems bigger in some aspects or smaller. They are playing better football, under a proven successful manager and competing for every single title. Maybe Nunez cares about that.


21.) 10 Jun 2022 22:53:51
Most league titles: Man Utd
Most FA cups: Arsenal
Most league cups: Liverpool
Most European Cups: Madrid
League and Cup Doubles: United and Arsenal
Treble: Man United

What ever you think about Liverpool and their history. They top the league cup list with one more trophy than City.

The greatest club has managed league and cup double in their entire history. Out of their 6 Champions league wins they managed to win the league twice at the same time.

Each to their own I suppose but they hardly jump out as best in class at anything.


22.) 11 Jun 2022 01:12:11
Some posts on here remind me of many Liverpool fans over the last 30 years. Not me though, I accepted that under fergie, you were one of the best teams in the world and head and shoulders ahead of Liverpool.
Ofcourse we could give you a good game on our day but we were many levels below you!

Even then I don't remember us being beaten 5-0 and 4-0 in the same season!

Face facts, as of now we are well clear of utd on every level and it's going to take you 2 years minimum to get close to fighting door the title.

Not sure you'd all have as many titles playing against THIS city team. Yes we have only won the league once under Klopp and were desperately unlucky not to have 3.

You didn't lose out on Nunez because you're owners or change of manager, or even that were in champs league and you're not.
He's coming to hopefully help win more titles for us ;)


23.) 11 Jun 2022 00:58:53
So United have had 1 decent manager. By that reckoning Arsenal have had none in their history.

{Ed014's Note - it’s amazing when the discussion is about Liverpool and United that some of you bitter clowns drag Arsenal into the conversation.

Does it make you feel better poppet? ?‍♂️


24.) 11 Jun 2022 07:47:36
Could you are not unlucky not to have 3 titles under klopp you were beaten by a better tea. With a better manager its as simple as that. Not luck. You were nearly good enough but not quite.
Good effort though all the same.


25.) 11 Jun 2022 10:20:58
What do you win for being unlucky? We lost the title on the last day a few times so we can add a few more on to ours as well.

1 good manager haha, wonder which one he means? Sir Matt might have something to say about that. What an ignorant thing to say.


26.) 11 Jun 2022 07:45:00
Ed014 who has won more domestic league titles between the 2 clubs?
More fa cups?
Yes Liverpool have won more cl and league cups.
There us nothing between them in terms of history and winning the major trophies.
If you think bop paisley was a better manager than fergi then your entitled to that opinion but I would disagree and I would think your opinion would on that would be very much in the minority.
Was matt Busby not a great manager ed014.


27.) 11 Jun 2022 08:27:45
Ed you bring Utd into everything.

{Ed014's Note - you do know this is the United page right? Tell me you’re not as stupid as that statement suggests! ?‍♂️


28.) 11 Jun 2022 09:16:55
Good post mumbles.
There is nothing between united and Liverpool In terms of major trophies won.
At the moment they are a better team but these things go in cycles. We were better in the 60s they were better in 70s and 80s we were better in 90s 00s.
I usually agree with ed014 but paisley better than fergie I don't see that at all.
I'm not sure what criteria he is using to make that judgement.
If its the same criteria he is using to justify his opinion that Liverpool is a bigger club i.e trophies won then why use a different criteria to judge the 2 managers.
As I say he is entitled to that view but I don't agree as good as paisley was.


29.) 11 Jun 2022 09:28:24
Ed14, without the default of resorting to name calling, who is the one decent manager? Busby or Ferguson? Anyway forget all the talk of which is bigger. Impossible to measure. Nunez is joining a great club and team in Liverpool.

{Ed014's Note - Ferguson clearly


30.) 11 Jun 2022 12:27:46
Ed014 in your opinion was matt Busby a great manager?

{Ed014's Note - I don’t look at Matt Busby as a great manager, no mate.

Great managers for me include, Ferguson, Paisley, Guardiola, Mourinho and Ancelotti.


31.) 11 Jun 2022 12:28:56
Dont do a shappy ed014 your better than that.

{Ed014's Note - as in?


32.) 11 Jun 2022 12:31:12
In fairness Blackpool I don't see ed014 bringing united stuff up on the other pages. ??
I'm assuming your post was being sarcastic?.


33.) 11 Jun 2022 12:40:55
To be fair imo when you go back that far In history in cl it was a smaller and easier trophy to win in the old format.
That is in no way looking to dismiss or dilute those successes. You can only play and win the format it was.
In fergies early years our cl teams were compromised by the rules on non British players. But he did under achieve in Europe winning 2 finals and losing 2 and a couple of semi was not a fantastic return but not too many managers have won more than 3 European cups.
I'd argue clough would also be in the mix as best ever British manager. He won 1 less EC than paisley. I think during paisley's reign Aston villa won a EC and Notts forest won 2 EC.


34.) 11 Jun 2022 13:07:45
You don't think Busby was a great manager?
The man built the pioneering British team in Europe.
Many of them were killed he came back from near death built a new team and won the trophy several league titles paved the way for English clubs in Europe.
If that's not greatness I don't know what is.
He was a pioneer and a great one.
Shankly was a great manager. The ajax manager name escapes me in the 70s was a great manager. I think klopp is a great manager.


35.) 11 Jun 2022 17:29:44
I think someone maybe needs to do some research on Sir Matt. Not great, deary me.


 

 

21 Apr 2022 11:37:47
Remove Harry Maguire as captain petition

DSG

1.) 21 Apr 2022 12:31:05
Signed.


2.) 21 Apr 2022 14:44:06
Honestly as much as I dislike Maguire, I can't sign a petition like this. It wasn't long ago we criticised Liverpool fans for petitions that they were signing for various reasons.

The club is at an all time low, but can we as fans sink even lower?

I hope not.


3.) 21 Apr 2022 15:34:22
Judging by his completely oblivious sky interview, he seems to have the worst attitude of the lot, should be the first one out of the door.

Could you imagine if pogba said stuff like that?, there would be anarchy on here.


4.) 21 Apr 2022 15:44:50
Agree DSG.
That interview he gave does show some nerve and his idiocy.


5.) 21 Apr 2022 21:36:59
Worse United captain of all time. I'll sign 50 petitions to take the captaincy from him and hopefully sell him.


6.) 21 Apr 2022 21:37:33
This is slightly pathetic.


 

 

12 Apr 2022 18:27:48
Fernandinho on a free transfer anyone?

Just to teach Mctominay and Fred how to control and pass a football?

DSG

1.) 12 Apr 2022 19:05:19
And how to foul and never ever get booked, the best I’ve ever seen to do that.


2.) 12 Apr 2022 21:40:07
discountdave Michael Essien! It's like that guy had voodoo.


3.) 12 Apr 2022 22:23:01
Thiago is the new master, he averages 3 or 4 yellows a game.


4.) 13 Apr 2022 09:17:13
Fernandinho has had a few reds to be fair, though nowhere near enough. Pep loved the master of such things, Busquets at Barca, who should of been sent off every other game for some of his antics (good player though! )
Romeu at Southampton is an expert ankle clipper/ body check/ blatant hack artist, every game, such an annoying player.


 

 

05 Apr 2022 12:38:29
Is the decision to persist with Ole and not get Conte going to look as foolish as the decision to persist with Ole and not get Tuchel last season?

DSG

1.) 05 Apr 2022 13:41:45
No. Conte is a good manager, but he'd have been thrown under the bus by a group of players who don't want to sweat for a living.

This bunch of players would throw Pep or Klopp under the bus until the club stands up to them and tells them the shape up or ship out.

Unfortunately we have to go through a certain amount of pain until that is realised. Hopefully it is now and the next manager will be backed. If not then the cycle will continue.


2.) 05 Apr 2022 13:50:08
I think persisting with Ole was a mistake from the moment they gave him a permanent contract. He has set the club back years by squandering hundreds of millions on average players.


3.) 05 Apr 2022 13:57:38
Conte has done nothing spectacular at Spurs, whoever gets 4th will be down to which team cocks up the least.

I wouldn't mind Tuchel, but he was never on the cards and when he went to chelsea we were either first or second in the league at that stage of the season. If I remember the timing right.


4.) 05 Apr 2022 13:58:02
I’ll start. No and yes.


5.) 05 Apr 2022 14:05:45
DSG I think the Conte decision was based on the experience and ending they had with Mourinho which may or may not be valid. Conte is definitely a manager that needs to be given full control and may not necessarily be there for the long run but definitely has the potential for success during his time.
Ole had his moments but again I think we stuck with him for the same reason in reverse, for most of his time he harmonised the dressing room and no doubt did some good. Unfortunately his ability and ceiling were low and did not make the coach appointments that would offset that.
I hope that we make the right choice as next coach and also start the process of ridding the club of players that either don't want to be here or are not up to the job. We could be in for a rough run but if the right appointment is made next we need to hold our nerve and give it time. As pained as it is Liverpool did and are feeling the benefits now.


6.) 05 Apr 2022 14:11:29
Oh the beauty of hindsight.
Think Conte is doing good things and seem to be coming good at exactly the right time.
He had his mini wobble, asked for 2 low-key Juve squad players and they've been on the up since.


7.) 05 Apr 2022 14:18:26
Giving Solskjaer the permanent contract when they did was undoubtedly one of the most insane decisions the club has made. Things were going ok with him as interim, just leave it at that until the end of the season and then make a decision . I mean it was'nt as if Real or Barcelona or PSG ere going to come looking for him to be their next manager if we did'nt tie him down immediately.


8.) 05 Apr 2022 16:12:03
I mean its not like the spurs dressing room are notorious hard workers or have never thrown a manager under the bus?

But Conte seems to have put his stamp on that team and they at least look like a Conte team.

Whos the closest to the Pep, Klopp level out of Conte, Ten Haag and Poch?

Conte for me, proven winner and the excuses made for not getting him don't hold much water for me.


9.) 05 Apr 2022 17:03:02
DSG, whether they hold much water is by the by now as the club decided not to pursue Conte.


10.) 05 Apr 2022 17:28:22
Will Conte be at Spurs in 12 months time, no longevity in him. Do we want a short-term fix or something more substantial.


11.) 05 Apr 2022 18:55:08
Grim, it's more about what we need than what we want.

Conte is good for 18 months before it blows up.

To be successful in that time he needs a great squad that has lost its way and just needs a kick up the arse.

He might get top four with Spurs, but will he win anything before he jumps ship? Unlikely.

If he came to United would he have made Maguire, AWB, Fred etc all good enough to win anything before it blew up? Probably not.

Which means we would have just delayed rebuilding to team for 2 years.


 

 

24 Feb 2022 10:21:11
With the weather improving hopefully in March and April, any chance Edinson Cavani “might fancy” turning up for work now and having less of these “minor niggles”.

Watching Ronaldo up top on his own with very little service is getting a bit tedious, might be worth moving him to the left, playing Cavani up top (if he feels like turning up for his highly paid job) and Sancho on the right with Elanga swapping in to rotate.

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1.) 24 Feb 2022 10:51:06
Ronaldo does'nt have the legs or the workrate to play out wide.


2.) 24 Feb 2022 10:54:51
I can just imagine Ronaldo on the left tracking back to help out the midfield and defence. Not sure that would work to be honest.


3.) 24 Feb 2022 11:32:59
Just play Fred on that left hand side of central midfield to cover Ronaldo.

Fred is only really in the team to run around and kick people so might as well make the most of him. He's certainly not in the team for his ball playing ability.


4.) 24 Feb 2022 11:33:29
Sim the forwards hardly track back now so won't make a difference.


5.) 24 Feb 2022 11:47:43
Does Rashford track back?
Athletico pressed as a team. Our side is not well drilled.
Hopefully next season we coach the players better and play as a cohesive unit.


6.) 24 Feb 2022 12:04:36
Ronaldo's main asset is goalscoring, the further away from goal he starts the less goals he will score. He doesn't have the legs anymore to cover 10km every game AND have be in peak condition and focus when the chance falls at his feet.

Ronaldo while a prolific goalscorer has nearly always relied on volume of chances over being clinical.

His shooting success rate over his career is something like 18%, where as Lewandowski's is almost 32%.

Meaning Lewandowski scores once in every 3 shots more or less. Whereas Ronaldo scores once in every 5.

The problem with us is we have many players who prefer to shoot. Players like Rashford, Greenwood, Bruno etc will take a shot if they see the goal. Whereas Ronaldo has typically played in sides where he would take over 50% of the teams shots on goal. Now he's probably only taking 20% of the shots we have on goal.

That coupled with us typically not making as many chances means his scoring record will take a big hit.

At Real Madrid or Juventus he was playing in sides that would make at least 25 chances a game, with Ronaldo probably getting 14 of them for himself, often more.

At United we are creating 15-18 chances a game, with Ronaldo maybe getting between 3-5 of them.


7.) 24 Feb 2022 12:31:15
Im proposing moving Ronaldo from centre forward to left wing, i'm not asking for him to be moved to left back Shappy.

Its a position he's played for 20 years and at real he played there and didn't have to track back, they just switched to a 4-4-2 when defending and 4-3-3 when attacking.

Tactics and formations can be fluid, don't have to be rigid.

We have a player in Fred who has himself admitted he's rubbish at football but excellent at running around and kicking people, we should utilise that to help get the most out of Ronaldo.


8.) 24 Feb 2022 13:47:31
He does'nt have the legs to play left wing, never mind tracking back he can't beat a player anymore either .

He was 33 when he left Madrid, he's now 37 .


9.) 24 Feb 2022 14:33:17
DGS, there are two reasons to move him to LW.

Either so that he doesn't get marked out of the game so easily. However, he's Ronaldo, I'm sure most sides will specifically mark him no matter where he plays. So he isn't likely to find more space out there.

The other reason to move him there is because he might offer more than the other options on the LW. Which given his reduced stamina and mobility probably isn't true.


10.) 24 Feb 2022 15:26:10
Or maybe a magical third option of getting more bodies in the box for crosses. Yesterday we were spamming in crosses against 5 Atletico defenders with just Ronaldo in there. You could see he was visibly getting frustrated at the fact no one else was in the box.

Cavani (only if he feels up to turning up for work, don't want to ask too much of him) up top running near post, Ronaldo left at the back post and Bruno arriving late down the middle and we could actually be a threat from crosses again.


11.) 24 Feb 2022 16:39:51
Why would playing Ronaldo LW mean we get more bodies in the box.

If the LW player was supposed to get in the box then Sancho or Rashford would be in the box alongside Ronaldo.

I think if you want to play both Ronaldo and Cavani then it's best to play a two striker system. 442, 41212, 352 etc.

Ultimately the issue we have is that neither Ronaldo or Cavani do enough individually to nail down the position.


12.) 24 Feb 2022 20:37:11
Cavani is rubbish. Who cares whether he can be bothered.


13.) 24 Feb 2022 20:38:29
Just because they play LW doesn't mean they automatically don't get in the box.

Are you honestly saying two players can't play the same position in different ways?

Ronaldo wouldn't get in the box more from the LW than Sancho or Rashford?

Come one man, think about it.


14.) 24 Feb 2022 22:52:15
DSG, if you're doing things right then you are following the tactics the manager is telling you to play.

Do you honestly think the way Rashford plays he isn't trying to get into the box?

Our problem with poor crosses into the box is mostly because we are playing the wrong sort of crosses.

We aren't whipping low crosses to get a foot or head on to just guide it past the keeper. We aren't playing early crosses for the forward to get a run on their man.

The crosses we are playing for the most part are stood up crosses hit after the wide player tried to get into the box but was cut off. So they cut back and stand up the ball in the middle. By which time our striker is stuck stranded between a couple of CB's and the ball has no power or pace on it meaning that even if our CF gets their head on it they will have to put enough power and pace on it to beat the keeper themselves.

It's not about bodies in the box but about playing with intelligence and with your head up.


15.) 24 Feb 2022 22:56:11
Manc man,

He really isn’t. His movement is fantastic and his work rate when he can actually be bothered playing is very good.


16.) 25 Feb 2022 08:02:52
Cavani is the best striker at the club. His finishing is not truly world class, but if we could find a younger, fitter version of him in the summer we’d do well. Any ideas guys?


17.) 25 Feb 2022 09:37:55
Eric, check out Darwin Nunez.


18.) 25 Feb 2022 12:07:40
I think an on-song Cavani should be starting IMO - but his age is catching up with him for sure and he can barely string a few matches together these days. To call him rubbish is a shocker. I'd still put my money on him in a one on one, not many Utd players I could say that about these days.
If Utd were prepared to spend £60m + £7trillion on agent fees to get Haaland which now seems extremely unlikely, hopefully a fair whack will be invested into whoever we do get as we will need someone for sure. Really liked the look of Vlahovic too but his heart was set elsewhere.


19.) 25 Feb 2022 16:29:22
GDS, great; so he runs around a bit whereas his main job is to score goals and he doesn't do much of that even when he can be bothered to turn up.

I liked him when he first arrived because of his work rate but ultimately strikers who don't score are a waste of a shirt.


20.) 26 Feb 2022 10:11:23
He does score though.


21.) 26 Feb 2022 13:58:55
GDS, he has two goals this season in eleven games. Hardly prolific or particularly useful.


 

 

 

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22 Jun 2022 10:06:05
Those are fair points about it being easier to get players out of Ajax, than dortmund or Barcelona.

I am not anti ETH signing ex players and the De Jong pursuit makes perfect sense to me given our huge deficiencies in central midfield and how good a player de jong is.

The links to Timber, Martinez and Antony make less sense to me given the fact Ajax are going to be reluctant sellers given they've already sold gravenberch and the big step up it is coming from the dutch league to the Prem.

Take Antony for example, aren't there any other left footed brazilian right wingers who are potentially available for transfer that have premier league experience. I don't know like that guy at Leeds whos had two good seasons in the premier league already.

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22 Jun 2022 08:55:27
i don't remember Klopp getting the band back together at Liverpool from his Dortmund time or Pep trying to get his old Barcelona players over to City.

Also I thought we were meant to be transitioning away from a manager led approach on transfers which has led to a squad comprised of 5 different managers players to a more "committee' led approach but who knows.

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21 Jun 2022 21:15:47
Well if those are the targets, nice to see ten hag is thinking outside of the box with signings and not just opting for players he's coached before.

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21 Jun 2022 13:03:26
I hope that logic is applied to all players at the club not just a selected few.

Its not any of the players fault that the club gives them contracts or signs them for big fees.

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15 Jun 2022 20:58:16
Would Mcfred be happy being squad players?

They should be happy being kitmen let alone squad players.

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02 Jul 2022 19:12:19
Record champions league goalscorer wants to keep playing in the champions league, pretty understandable.

However i struggle to see many champions league clubs wanting to pay those wages for a 37 year old.

Might be a blessing in disguise for Ten Hag though if he were to leave.

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01 Jul 2022 09:18:40
I agree with the OP, Ten Hag Out.

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28 Jun 2022 12:04:28
Considering its his 8th season and were still asking the same questions about him.

I would hazard a guess at no

But were not going to sign a whole new XI and we have more pressing concerns so we will have to make do with him and telles plus fernandez if he can develop.

DSG

{Ed004's Note - I was hoping we would show more interest in Malacia with Telles moving on but he looks likely to head elsewhere.}


 

 

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27 Jun 2022 23:37:18
€85 million euros most likely which means we’ve saved about £4 million if the add ons are achievable.

Hardly anything to write home about.

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27 Jun 2022 21:59:51
Why, what was the amount Barcelona wanted in GBP?

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