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20 Aug 2022 10:40:45
Maguire and Mctominay linked with moves away.
Could be a clever way for the club to recoup some relatively decent transfer fees because of the british tax and the perceived “Pashun”value.
1.) 20 Aug 2022 11:35:07
The so called "English tax" has nothing to do with how they play or passion, but everything to do with both having to have a number of "homegrown" players, and the perception that clubs want to have by having players from their own nation playing for their side.
PSG want to have top French players, Italian clubs want the best Italian players, Spanish clubs want the best Spanish players, German clubs want the best German players, and of course English clubs want the the best English players.
There is a premium on English players simply because English clubs are among the wealthiest in the world, and there is a serious lack of top end English players. Simple supply and demand.
2.) 20 Aug 2022 16:33:56
What would seriously be a worthwhile fee for Maguire? Even half what Utd paid would be daylight robbery. I think there are some qualities in there but he is so devoid of confidence right now like many Utd players. I think he’d be a better player without the burden of the red shirt which draws so much press.
3.) 20 Aug 2022 17:20:28
The reality is that Maguire was made to look the business by Jonny Evans - a player deemed not good enough.
Then, with confidence on a high, he translated that form to the England team.
Since at United, he's played mainly alongside Lindelof who is mid-table level with full backs who don't offer decent protection and a midfield that cannot deal with pressure.
Ultimately, if he was surrounded by better defensive players and wasn't so relied upon to organise, he'd perform better.
I still don't think he's at the level we'd like, but he's far from the worst defensive member of the squad and has seen his greater urgency render him, from the outset, more culpable.
Shaw, imo, is one of the most overrated players I've ever seen, just like McTominay - they both, along with Dalot, AWB and Telles, have failed their defensive teammates consistently.
4.) 20 Aug 2022 23:33:53
Woggle I hope you were trying to wiggle in some banter because wtf.
5.) 21 Aug 2022 02:21:43
If the deal for Pulisic does indeed never materialise or is just click bait can we send them Maguire anyway to say sorry?
6.) 21 Aug 2022 08:34:15
Keefy, sending them Maguire as an apology is akin to throwing a brick with a note attached through your neighbors window to apologise for kicking your football into their garden.
7.) 21 Aug 2022 09:28:56
Woggle. Maguire messes even simple passes to GK. He will be found out even if he plays in all time great teams. AWB can do a solid defensive job in right back. He may be very useful as a sub in seeing off tight games after 70 mins or so.
8.) 21 Aug 2022 09:58:28
Would be more pleased to see Luke Shaws name on the list tbh, can’t wait to see the day he leaves.
9.) 21 Aug 2022 11:31:50
Yaz.
Maguire is most certainly not good enough, I basically believe he's made to look even worse by other people.
Maestro.
AWB is a truly awful defender.
Just because he has better lally-flapping ability, it does not make him a decent defender. His reading and positioning are absolutely pathetic - he should be the first guy to go.
FZZ.
Couldn't agree more, Shaw is pish.
Ultimately, United have spent £160m on the aforementioned three and their combined value now would be half of that at best.
United have 7 defenders out of 10 senior options - AWB, Dalot, Williams, Shaw, Maguire, Lindelof and Bailly, who are simply not good enough to be starters. That's the problem, at least one player who isn't good enough will need to start.
Selling Maguire would make me happy, but does it solve our problems defensively?
No, because we'd still have to play Lindelof or Bailly when Varane isn't fit and we'd still be reliant on 3 RB options who are all mid-table level.
As for this consensus that, in light of how poor he is, Maguire must be our worst defensive option - bollards!
AWB is easily the most incompetent defender I've ever seen at United.
We need another RB now, and will need at least one more CB before we can think about selling Maguire who, whilst certainly not good enough, is no worse than Lindelof or Bailly.
10.) 21 Aug 2022 12:23:47
United's squad problem is simple to understand. Imagine there are two boxes. Box one is labelled technical ability and intelligence. While box two is labelled physical ability (pace/ power) .
Now go through the squad list and place each player in the appropriate box based on their best aspect.
Now step back and realise box 2 is overflowing and box 1 has very few players in it, while there are probably only a couple of players who could go in either box.
Any manager who has tried to get these players to play as a team with intelligence, adhering to a tactical plan based on making smart decisions and technical ability rather than playing on instinct trying to outpace or overpower the opposition with physical traits has failed miserably to do so.
This is simply because this group of players lacks the technical quality and intelligence to play that way.
11.) 21 Aug 2022 13:20:45
Realistic transfer fee for Maguire
Half a bag of Hola Hoops and 3 jellybeans. Although I'd feel we we're robbing the other club blind.
12.) 21 Aug 2022 13:23:41
Props to the Shappy, that's the most perfect yet, frustratingly, simple way of explaining why United's squad is so disjointed.
01 Jun 2022 09:52:47
Hi Ed002, you mentioned on the Everton page that Richarlison could be offered to Real Madrid or Man United through his agent.
Do the club have any interest in signing him?
{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}
1.) 01 Jun 2022 11:37:11
Lets hope. not.
19 May 2022 23:12:00
Dean Henderson to Newcastle?
Makes a little bit of sense as a permanent move if we need to bring in money.
But doesn't make much sense as a loan deal, if were being honest newcastle will potentially be challenging for europe next season, doesn't make sense to strengthen a rival.
1.) 19 May 2022 23:26:24
Think I’d prefer Dubravka….
18 Jun 2021 18:24:36
Reports that ole is going make a definitive decision on the number 1 spot and has opted for Henderson.
Not an easy call to make and leaves the club in a tough position with DDG.
An alexis type loan deal most likely for him I assume if he wants first team football next season.
1.) 18 Jun 2021 22:23:23
The sensible decision.
2.) 19 Jun 2021 07:32:32
The sensible decision in what way? DDG has been a loyal servant, Henderson has had one good season at Sheff Utd and has more market value. Just because it’s the decision you’d make doesn’t make it sensible Shappy. Think i speak for many on here when I say the sooner you realise that the better.
3.) 19 Jun 2021 07:37:47
What are the loan options, most clubs seem settled in the goalkeeping department, and then there is the matter of his £375k a week wages to cover.
4.) 19 Jun 2021 07:57:45
Thats why its going to have to be an alexis type deal where we pay a fair chunk of the players wages while they play for their loan club.
5.) 19 Jun 2021 09:21:28
Red Whiskey, DDG has continued to decline every year for the past 3 seasons. That is not a blip but a clear pattern of decline.
Currently Henderson and DDG although having different strengths and qualities are probably on par.
So if you have two keepers, on a similar level, but one is declining while the other is improving then surely backing the keeper who is on the up is the sensible thing to do.
DDG has been a loyal servant and he has been paid handsomely for it. He is the highest paid player in the league, yet he isn't even in the top ten best players in the league currently. He has also had a little dig at the club in a post wishing Romero the best. Saying that Romero deserves to be treated well by his next club. He might be 100% right in what he is saying. Yet to publicly back a player leaving the club over the club doesn't look great.
Personally given that it will be hard to sell DDG this summer then loaning him out seems like the best and most sensible decision.
That way both keepers understand their role and it removes the indecision that has impacted both of their performances this season.
Henderson gets a shot at proving himself without the spectre of DDG hanging over his head.
DDG gets a fresh club to play at which might give him the jolt needed to get him back to his best form.
While if Henderson flops then we still have DDG on the books to come back.
6.) 19 Jun 2021 09:30:51
RedWhiskey
What are you on about? It looks like you have a massive soft spot for DDG. Logically thinking, DDG does not deserve to be first choice gk anymore. He has been horrible for past three years and yet is the highest paid player in the league.
Form loss usually only last for weeks or months. DDG has lost his form for 3 years now which means he is in decline. As much he has done for the club, it is time to say good bye.
It is sad to see many people slating henderson just because he is here to replace their beloved DDG. Henderson is still learning and can only be better. He is better in everthing compared to DDG except shot stopping. To be fair, DDG has never been good at anything except shot stopping and there was no one better than him.
As Shappy said, sensible thing is to go for Henderson as first choice and sell DDG. If he was at low wage then i would understand but he is at incredibly stupid wage which is not healthy for the club.
7.) 19 Jun 2021 10:31:40
Henderson is a perfectly adequate goalkeeper, but is that what we want, adequate.
We all agree that DDG needs to be moved on, ideally he would like to go back to Madrid, but neither club there looks an option at the moment. Heard that he sounded out Barcelona as he is close friends with Aguero, but the money situation is too difficult to overcome.
The more you look at it the madder his contract looks, with three years to run and £60million still due to him. Those are big numbers for loan clubs to consider and even bigger for United for someone who might not be playing for you, dwarfs the cost of sacking Jose which cost us only £20million.
Personally I would prefer if we went for someone like Meslier, who is already ahead of Henderson in ability, yet three years younger.
8.) 19 Jun 2021 10:50:58
Grim, he only has two years left on his contact until June 2023. I fully agree that in hindsight the length and size of his contract seems like a bad decision.
I disagree that Henderson is merely "adequate". I think he is a very talented keeper. I'm also not the only one, with teams such as Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, PSG and Dortmund all having had him seriously scouted and interested in signing him (although with PSG signing Donnarumma I expect their interest has gone now) .
Top sides are interested because they see the talent in him. I'd say his current level is greater than that of DDG during his first couple of season's with us.
It would be madness of the club to let him go without giving him a season as first choice to see if he can prove himself at the highest level.
9.) 19 Jun 2021 11:40:05
For me there is no contest between them. If DDG can restore his confidence, which is the problem, then in terms of skill I haven't seen Henderson do anything in the numerous chances he was given last season to suggest he's anywhere near the same level. He's English and has come through our ranks and people like that. But he's not really done a thing as far as I'm concerned other than play well for a lesser side on loan where he was tested far more often.
10.) 19 Jun 2021 11:56:26
Hendo for me all day long. If we lose him we will be searching for a new number 1 in a year or 2 and will struggle to find a keeper as good as him because if he's playing every week he's going to get better.
11.) 19 Jun 2021 12:40:00
Option on the additional year Shappy, we usually extend those because we want to get a fee for a player. With the exception of the Dog Walker, have we ever let a player at DDG's level go without asking for money in return?
I agree Henderson is talented, but so is Lingard, at United he is a squad player, not a first team player.
Interesting that Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, PSG and Dortmund all looked at Dean. However PSG decided on Donnurumma, Dortmund went with Kobel, Spurs were actually looking at Maignan until he went to Milan, Chelsea considered Donnarumma, but now he has gone to PSG will stick with what they have and Arsenal want Onana.
12.) 19 Jun 2021 13:52:27
The problem is, is that DDG has made mistakes for the past 3 years and until this season wasn't dropped. Romero deserved to be our number 1.
In OGS first season DDG cost us a place in the CL by making some very silly errors, which were partly down to OGS wanting to play out from the back. The club then went on to offer him a huge new contract, which he didn't deserve due to how poor his form was. Even Mourinho said on Sky Sports that is was very surprised that he got a deal like that given how poor he had been.
OGS can't make a decision. He Brough Henderson back, left Romero in the lurch and the only GK who was probably happy was Grant.
I can't wait for the club to offer pogba a new monster deal and watch him play poorly again. He clearly doesn't want to be at the club. During the Euros his comments have made it obvious.
Utd are a poorly managed club, run by amateurs.
13.) 19 Jun 2021 14:08:12
There is no proof that Henderson will only get better and improve and there is no proof that a goalkeeper at 31 will keep declining.
The only real question is if we believe Henderson will become a top top keeper, i personally don't. So we have two options:
1) We believe in him becoming a top keeper and far better than the current ability of De Gea so we keep him.
2)We don't believe in him and believe that it is a risk so we sell him NOW because now his price is higher. After 1-2 average seasons his price will go down. Furthermore between two "average" keepers i would prefer the one with the expiration date (De Gea) . He has two year contract and we have enough time to think about his replacement if we won't renew his contract. He will also be 33 and we will have an easy desicion. With Henderson it will not be an easy desicion because of age and nationality, so if he is half decent stick with him so stick with an average keeper.
So the sensible choice is stick with De Gea and at the same time try to find his replacement after 1-2 seasons.
14.) 19 Jun 2021 14:14:59
Hatter,
You’ve just said OGS can’t make a decision then described the decision he made. I think what you mean is he made a decision you didn’t agree with which is different.
15.) 19 Jun 2021 14:37:30
Id sell them both and go for Oblak. You never know until you ask.
16.) 19 Jun 2021 15:17:47
Is this a new trend over here where players are judged without being given a proper chance to prove themselves? And yet we got Ole in charge.
I agree DeGea is the more experienced and better shot stopper of the two and if possible I would have him as No.1 with Henderson as backup rotating with him and gaining experience in the process.
However, if we have to make a choice then based on the mistakes made by both I would keep Henderson as he is much younger and a better all round keeper and has time on his side to improve upon his weakness. I would give him a season to see if he can step up and if not we can always get someone better.
The problem though is with DeGea's contract right now and we somehow need to handle that.
GrimisnotDead as far as Lingard is concerned he was given more than enough chances in the first team which he failed to take. And other teams haven't come in for Hendo probably because we are not yet ready to let him go.
17.) 19 Jun 2021 16:02:25
It's definetely the riskier of the options. Ole immediately alienated Lukaku upon his arrival in place of the local lad. After numerous options up front the situation will require major attention at the end of this season. Will history repeat itself?
I personally think it's the wrong decision but I hate the idea of rotating GKs. If he's chosen Henderson then so be it.
18.) 19 Jun 2021 21:08:56
LPU, wasn't Lingard only behind Lukaku in the scoring stats in 17/ 18 under Jose, hardly not taking his chance. He then had his dip in form which was due to his well know off field issues. Ole initially refused to let him go on loan, its was only because Jesse forced the issue that Ole buckled, and you have to agree he took his chance at WH.
Teams haven't come in for Hendo because clubs know we aren't ready to let him go? That is not how football works, if a club was truly interested in him they would have already sounded out his agent about the possibility of a move, the fact that the majority have scouted him and moved on says alot.
But that is the beauty of football, we all have opinions, for me Henderson would be perfect for an Everton or West Ham, but not a top four team, which is what we expect to be.
19.) 20 Jun 2021 04:47:01
GrimisnotDead, Lingard played well for a while but he was afforded a lot of chances to make the position his own which he failed to do so. So, effectively he has not taken his chance.
How do you know that other clubs haven't come in for him? And without even giving Henderson a proper chance why are you even judging him to not be good for us? Just give him a chance to prove himself before making a hasty judgement.
20.) 20 Jun 2021 07:53:18
Grim, I don't think Lingard and Henderson's situations are comparable.
Lingard has made 133 appearances for the club over a 7 year period, under three different managers.
Henderson has made 13 appearances, in one year, under one manager, with 8 of them coming in a run of consecutive games.
Teams have come in for Henderson, they have approached his agent and they have approached the club and have been met with a flat out no.
The fact they have moved on when a top club have refused to sell them a player, only says they are well run and not stupid.
21.) 20 Jun 2021 08:12:12
Herrera, while there might not be any definitive proof that a 24 year old goalkeeper will continue to improve. It's pretty well accepted that most players hit their peaks in their late 20's or early 30's. With keepers often hitting their peaks later and sustaining it for longer.
So while there is not proof that Henderson will improve, probably around 90% of keepers at his age will continue to improve.
Is there any definitive proof that DDG will continue to decline? No, but he has shown a steady and continuous decline over the past 3 seasons. That's more than a blip. Poor form lasts week's, maybe months, but not years.
For me the only way I see DDG rediscovering his form is if he moves and has a new challenge. Even then I doubt that will see him return to his absolute best.
For me he is a similar keeper to Casillas. Great shot stopper, average at everything else. Even at his peak DDG was weak in the air, his distribution was average, his command of his area was poor. But he made saves that no one had a right to make. His reactions were freakish.
The issue is as you age your reaction speed declines first. We saw it with Casillas and we are seeing it with DDG. His shot stopping is still way above average, but it's not anywhere near where it was when he was 26. And in my opinion it never will be again.
This has exposed DDG's lack of quality in all other goalkeeping departments. His inability to play out from the back has seen him lose his spot for the national team, first to Kepa now to Simon.
Both decent keepers but not world class.
The reality is that he is likely to continue to decline. Apparently Ole has set him with specific training to try and improve his distribution. Something I wonder why no other managers/ goalkeeping coaches have done. Over the past 8 years he should have been working to improve his weaknesses and make himself a better all round keeper, that would have mitigated his loss in reaction time as he aged and would have kept him near the top.
Currently there are maybe 4 or 5 keepers in the EPL better than him. With some young ones who over the next year or so might overtake him as well. Dean Henderson being one of them.
I expect if you went to all the top sides and offered them DDG or Henderson right now for the same price, say 30m. The majority would pick Henderson. That tells you all you need to know about who should be out No.1.
22.) 20 Jun 2021 08:38:42
I miss van der Sar : (.
23.) 20 Jun 2021 09:39:56
Trololo, I miss VDS, my personal favourite keeper during my lifetime.
04 Jan 2021 20:54:57
Rojo to boca juniors? Not sure if accurate but Would make sense for him to finish his playing back in his natice argentina.
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06 Jan 2025 15:12:29
I appreciate its all super positive on here after the performance yesterday but have to say Zirkzees pass at the end was really poor.
The lads confidence is rightly on the floor and there's rumours of Juve being interested in him.
I think it would make sense to loan him out in Jan with an option/ obligation to buy for a reason fee. I would rather see Ethan Wheatley play at the moment as a back up to Rasmus.
Last thing we need is a situation like Antony where everyone has given up on the lad and no one wants to touch him with a 10ft barge pole.
1.) 07 Jan 2025 00:00:46
Zirkzee/ Vlahovic swap deal sounds fun. Incredibly unlikely, but fun.
2.) 07 Jan 2025 07:33:53
The other rumour is Zirkzee heading to Juventus either on loan or permanently, with us signing Kolo Muani on loan from PSG.
31 Dec 2024 12:45:52
I know a lot of focus is on us after yesterdays loss but Newcastle look like a quality team:
1.) Full backs that can both attack and defend
2.) Tonali and the better Bruno in midfield who can control the ball and pass it to a teammate (something we are unable to do)
3.) Wingers who are quick and can take on their full back and track back.
4.) Elite centre forward who can hold the ball up, dribble and scores goals.
We should look to get in the sporting director that helped put this team together. I don't care if we have to pay millions of pounds to get him or wait months for him to complete his gardening leave.
{Ed001's Note - none of that was key, the main difference I thought was effort. Newcastle players tried. Guimaraes was out on his feet after about 80 minutes but still chasing everything.}
1.) 31 Dec 2024 13:06:04
Disagree Ed, i don't look at this team and see a lack of “effort”.
I see a severe lack of physical qualities and technical qualities. To have spent this much money and have neither sorted is a damning indictment of the recruitment team and why we are so low in the table.
But that's just my opinion.
{Ed001's Note - there was a lack of effort last night. They were outworked.}
2.) 31 Dec 2024 13:16:44
Newcastle have an average defense but they have a brilliant midfield, a superb winger and arguably league’s best central striker. It was impossible to beat them on quality. The ideal situation would have been to play to our strength rather than “I can only play my way”.
3.) 31 Dec 2024 13:16:51
Absolutely ed. Aside from Amad, Hojland, and Manioo when he came on, the Man Utd players didn’t work as hard. It’s has been this way for years. Consistently toward the bottom of the distance covered stats. It doesn’t take talent to run, only effort.
4.) 31 Dec 2024 13:17:22
There was a point in the first half where Amad had the ball on the wing where he was hunted and then surrounded like a pack of starving hyenas. The Utd players stood and watched. That moment in the game illustrated the difference in the two teams.
It doesn’t matter who is the manager, for years we’ve lost games simply due to a lack of effort, hunger, intensity and desire!
The Club is rotten and it can only be fixed from the top down!
5.) 31 Dec 2024 13:44:56
DLIB
Yep, and my post on match posts is another example of effort not being put in.
There was one moment in the match that summed us up nicely for me.
Yoro stepped forward with the ball near the left flank and had to delay his next action because there wasn't a single player showing - a sight made more startling by the decent spread of 5 Newcastle players in a midfield block without a single red shirt between them.
DSG
Mainoo doesn't lack the physical and technical qualities, but he was also guilty of ducking a few scraps and hiding from the battlefield - is that an effort/ desire or courage issue?
We thoroughly embarrassed ourselves with our disgraceful lack of effort at Ipswich too - what excuse can you provide for that?
6.) 31 Dec 2024 14:41:25
Ed is right. Newcastle first and foremost are a team, and that is glaringly obvious when you compare them to our players. Nobody dies for each other out there, and we are always out fought and played. That is Amorim’s biggest challenge - tactically yes we are getting it wrong but that can be rectified through training g and hard work. But until they play for each other we have no chance.
I thought Bruno G was outstanding last night. Superb player. And Anthony Gordon is developing into a very tidy footballer indeed.
7.) 31 Dec 2024 14:49:47
Was told I was an idiot for saying we might go down. its looking great is it ?.
8.) 31 Dec 2024 14:50:26
I’m not so sure why hojlund doesn’t get any stick yes he is starved of service but he needs to do more, he often drops deep or pulls out wide, his hold up play is not the best and when he does get chances he is hit and miss
I still think a striker is needed but we are in dire need of 2 wing backs
But effort wise there is 0 in this team other than 2 or 3 players.
9.) 31 Dec 2024 14:52:11
The team has lacked that determination for a long time. It's not just this iteration of players, over the last 5 years especially we've always been outworked, out ran.
The best teams work hard off the ball, it's that simple and we don't.
The first training session that Amorim took showed him doing attacking drills, when the ball was lost the whole team sprinted back to defend. There is a clear lack of desire within a number of these players. Ten Hag tried to address this making them run 13k after a defeat to Brentford. The next game we beat and out ran a Liverpool team which is no mean feat. But the players slowly return to that comfort zone of thinking just turning up is good enough.
The best of the rest in the Premier league have some super teams that work hard and can play ball. These players think that wearing a United badge gives them some sort of advantage when it's the opposite. Teams work harder to get a scalp off United.
As for yesterday, it was men against boys. Twice Eriksen and Mainoo tried to foul Joelington and he just kept going. Simple one twos and they were through our midfield and their continued movement was too much for our static backline. I genuinely think Liverpool will put another 7 passed us next week.
We only have 1 game a week for the next two weeks so hopefully Amorim can find his first 11 and stick with it. Too many changes trying to put square pegs in round holes and combinations like Eriksen and Casemiro should never see the light of day again.
Last point about the fans cheering Zirkzee coming off, I thought it was absolutely disgraceful to single out a new lad that's struggling in a team of wasters. Boo the team as a whole but that's a really embarrassing look for the spineless match going fans.
10.) 31 Dec 2024 15:11:32
Mumbles I agree regardless if your opinions on a player and we all slag players off but one thing you don’t do is cheer or boo a player walking off or on that pitch
Felt bad for him. I hope he uses it to come back strong and show a bit Sunday. there is a player in there but like most of the team confidence is absolutely shot.
11.) 31 Dec 2024 15:52:01
That's been the case for some time, Ed. We have always been out worked and out fought. Never win the second ball.
There was a moment against Newcastle where Amad was through on the wing and ended up with 5 or 6 Newcastle players close him down - he got no support around him from a united player.
It's almost as if there's an issue with fitness.
{Ed001's Note - I think it is more about attitude than fitness.}
12.) 31 Dec 2024 16:29:55
Go down lol okay then.
13.) 31 Dec 2024 17:07:07
Easy stand nick,
Can call you an idiot again if you want, we aren’t going to go down, usually people say ‘I was called an idiot’ when something has happened to prove them right.
14.) 31 Dec 2024 17:10:56
No matter how much effort the players put in, they are still inadequate. We need to understand that most are simply not good enough. With Amorim’s system, they are like ducks out of water. I’m all for going Amorim the time to build a team in his own image but some of his selections don’t make sense. Midfield was a shambles although it improved when Mainoo entered the fray. I will never understand how Dalot retains his place. He is simply ineffective. What I cannot understand above all is why, in spite of our awful performances, Amorim has not introduced one or two young players. Surely they could not be any worse. At the very least, they would bring an enthusiasm and energy to our play.
15.) 31 Dec 2024 17:23:15
Ed001,
There are a fair few players who give 2 sh**s about the club.
Hopefully the club can move a few players on in January whilst giving some of the youth players a chance. Although I do believe that the club will try and buy a LWB.
Do you know of any clubs that are interested in any of the Utd players?
Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - not off the top of my head. Maybe the Dog and Duck could take Casemiro off your hands? He looks about as fit and mobile as a sunday league footballer.}
16.) 31 Dec 2024 17:32:36
Thanks Ed001,
Hope you have a good NYE bud.
{Ed001's Note - you too mate and may 2025 bless you with health, wealth and happiness.}
17.) 31 Dec 2024 21:34:08
Agree with you on attitude, not just to work hard, but also being switched on and alert and showing desire to get to the ball first.
The two defensive lapses and many of our recent conceded goals have come from defenders not doing their job, and also standing watching when they should be going to the ball. Good defenders act fast. They don't think, they go. Ours look like they are in holiday.
18 Dec 2024 13:27:31
If a premier league club, realistically apart from a select few european club, could afford his wages came in for rashford, would you accept?
We did a similar deal with Sancho and Chelsea, might be worth another option or maybe arsenal, Newcastle, spurs.
1.) 18 Dec 2024 13:41:56
I imagine 2-3 prem clubs would go for a loan with us forking out 50% of the wages.
Not sure how much sense it would make to 'strengthen' a direct rival for a European spot - although I'm sure many will laugh at the idea he will strengthen anyone at this moment in time. Arguably Sancho is doing just that at Chelsea. Maybe they have room for another with the Mudryk situation.
Either way we do need him to play well, whether for us or another team.
2.) 18 Dec 2024 14:53:55
I don't think he really suits Amorins system, those front three have to work really hard and create turnovers. When one of your highest earners doesn't have the skillset for the manager then you have to look to move him on.
3.) 18 Dec 2024 15:09:29
Rashford and Sancho for Cole Palmer?
Well it is the season of goodwill?.
4.) 19 Dec 2024 08:59:48
Realistically not many clubs in world football can afford Rashford. He's apparently burnt the PSG bridge by messing them around previously. Madrid don't need him, Barcelona can't afford him, the Italian clubs aren't paying that sort of money these days. Bayern have got Sane and Comann his position. Potentially one of the London clubs might take a look, Chelsea have Sancho so that rules them out. Arsenal need someone on the left and could afford the wages if they cancel the Sterling loan. Spurs have got Son, who is aging but the wages are prohibitive. Which leaves Saudi, it would work for them as he's a marketable asset.
That last contract he was given has got to go down as one of the biggest mistakes in football. The most annoying thing about it is, we repeated the mistake with Bruno.
5.) 19 Dec 2024 16:09:52
Yes Saudi him and The CR7 fan boy ball hogger I'll buy their tickets
Come on Saudi name your number.
16 Dec 2024 10:48:59
Under appreciated aspect of the rashford and garnacho thing is:
1.) In this 3-4-3 system neither one of them are natural “10s” behind the striker and neither of them possess the close control and dribbling skills required (see Amad for reference) . Neither of them are going to be wing backs also.
2.) Both being academy players means that selling them would be an instant benefit in FFP/ PSR calculations than say Antony or Mount.
Would not be surprised to see them shifted in January so we can get the Wing Backs and extra forward required for Amorim to take this team forward.
1.) 16 Dec 2024 11:00:28
I agree, wouldn't be surprised to see one of those two leave if it helps fund a more suitable replacement, we'd be short without replacing them. In Rashy's case a loan seems more likely unless someone wants to take a punt on him, and I'm not sure that helps us with £.
On another note Zirkzee may be ticking the boxes behind the scenes in the way Rash/ Garnacho aren't but I find him so uninspiring. I get that we need different types of player and he is quite technical but this system needs pace and energy, watching him close players down nearly sends me to sleep. I don't see it. We got him simply because of the pricetag IMO.
2.) 16 Dec 2024 11:13:18
For over 80 years we have had an Academy player in every match day squad, yesterday, there was just Mainoo. I hope we can keep this amazing run going.
3.) 16 Dec 2024 11:38:29
I made a similar point about Garnacho when Ruben was announced, and was told that he would adapt.
His role is as a left wing forward. He doesn’t have the space he needs to use his pace as a number 10. He doesn’t have the discipline to be a wing back. His ego won’t allow him to be a squad player.
I think it’s only a matter of time until he’s sold. Tbh, I think it was always inevitable that he looked for a move. He just doesn‘t strike me as a one club player. Hopefully we can get a good price for him.
Rashford, I’m less convinced will move. I don’t see any serious buyers for a player in rapid decline on €300,000 a week.
4.) 16 Dec 2024 12:07:51
AJH
I pointed that out on Live chat as soon as I saw the squad.
5.) 16 Dec 2024 12:59:03
Imo, Rashford and Garnacho can only be sold in the summer, and the reason for this, imo, is obvious.
Because of how restricted the club is regarding PSR, other clubs will be fully aware of our need to sell before we buy. Irrespective of the two being academy graduates, interested parties will naturally want to maximise the benefit of buying either, and that's precisely why a January move for either shouldn't happen.
Each has 3.5 years remaining on his contract and there is value to that. However, Rashford is still the biggest financial obligation amongst the playing staff and Garnacho will 100% seek more than he's currently getting.
Rashford knows he's a marketable brand and his financial expectations will have a significant impact on any prospective buyer's flexibility with PSR/ FFP rules.
Garnacho, like Rashford, probably already knows he might need to adapt and fight beyond his capacity to maintain his career at United, but he knows he could fit in at plenty of top clubs around Europe - but he's still an emerging talent so he's still a bit of a gamble.
United will not get the full value of either player - not even in the summer, but we'll be mugged with a January sale.
For United to sell both sensibly, the respective agents need to be told what figures the club is looking for and let them roll with it - they will also not likely look at January as an attractive proposition for their clients or, more importantly, themselves.
The distinct requirements relevant to signing either player make them viable options only for a very select bunch with money to burn, but these options aren't usually driven by committees of idiots like the one we had until recently so, imo, selling either in January would be foolish.
6.) 16 Dec 2024 13:10:28
Thought Cas was our biggest financial obligation?
7.) 16 Dec 2024 13:12:24
Times like these we miss ed002 for facts not assumptions drawn from little or no knowledge and experience.
8.) 16 Dec 2024 13:48:42
No idea on what’s true about sales etc but when I saw the team yesterday I didn’t think oh my god he’s dropped Rashford and Garnacho, I thought on recent form neither of them should be in the squad or team anyway, i get why it’s a big deal because it’s united and Rashford but it was the correct decision and Amorim is making a lot of decisions I agree with.
9.) 16 Dec 2024 14:01:30
Not surprising but one of the many United on line fanzine/ podcast thingys claiming to know Rashford and Garnacho dropped for being out clubbing and story to hit mainstream media very soon. who knows if any of it true these days with them all clambering for our attention and clicks.
10.) 16 Dec 2024 14:46:31
I don't see United selling Garnacho in January. If his indiscipline can be tamed, there could yet be an excellent player there. He is still very young and, with his emergence during a time of great uncertainty, his ego has clearly got the better of him for now. Amorim may be able to resolve that issue. In any event he's on a relatively modest £50k a week which will mean he could well have plenty suitors in the summer, particularly if he does buckle down.
Rashford is a different kettle of fish altogether. At this stage in his career he should have put youthful indiscretions behind him and be at his peak. It's hard to see anyone coming to our rescue and resolving the £55m in wages we're committed to until the end of his contract and also giving us a transfer fee. Rashford obviously has some great qualities but I'm sure he's now seen as a bit of a one trick pony. He's far from a complete footballer. He has hardly any defensive qualities. But maybe, like Sancho, he would thrive in a better team or a less competitive league.
{Ed001's Note - I really don't see it, what is excellent about Garnacho?}
11.) 16 Dec 2024 17:17:31
Been saying that from the start ed. Agree 100%. I see a bit but nothing title challenging class. He’s going backwards if anything.
{Ed001's Note - people seem to have been blinded by one great goal.}
12.) 16 Dec 2024 17:53:09
I think he has raw potential Ed001, due his pace and the directness of his game. In the right system he could be very effective.
But, he needs to develop his game. At the moment his decision making is very blinkered. 99% of the time he’s looking to run onto a ball behind the defence, cut in and shoot. That makes him easier than he should be to defend against.
On top of that, his willingness to track back is often lacking. Rashford has the same issue. I feel like they both want the classic Ronaldo role of being excused of defensive duties to put them in the best position to score on the counter. The problem is that neither of them are anywhere near prolific enough for this. If you’re banging in 40 plus goals a season, the rest of the team might be able to live with covering for you. If you’re struggling to hit 20, then you get your arse back to help out.
I see it as a big issue with a lot of younger players who are tipped to be the next big thing. They don’t have the wherewithal to work on developing their game, and end up stagnating.
13.) 16 Dec 2024 18:03:25
In a team that struggles to score, Garnacho stood out as someone who could breakdown defences. He still has many areas of his game he needs to work on, which everyone highlights on here regularly.
Fortunately Amad has stepped up since Amorim has come in and outshone everyone. The challenge for Garnacho is to raise his game, does he have the mentality, we will see.
{Ed001's Note - Amad was always the better player. Garnacho is miles off being of any use.}
14.) 16 Dec 2024 19:15:52
Amad is special.
Garnacho I think flatters to deceive. Personally I’d like him coached to be CF as he doesn’t have the pace or skill to beat a man. He’s certainly not a 10. i'd make him watch videos of Luis Suarez and model his game on him.
15.) 16 Dec 2024 19:48:24
Come on, 'miles off being any use' lol? You're better than that Ed.
{Ed001's Note - he has been part of your problem all season.}
16.) 16 Dec 2024 20:09:43
Utd Road
You said Garnacho doesn’t have the pace, you do know that in October stats showed he was the quickest player at the club.
I have been a staunch defender of Garnacho, clearly has a lot of talent, young. However there have been signs that his development has stalled. I may be wrong but he is at that age when players take the next step, where confidence is important, but arrogance is not good. He has been making poor decisions, giving the ball away recently which make you question his focus. I suspect the manager has seen that and fired a big shots across his bows.
17.) 16 Dec 2024 20:13:23
Amad and Garnacho are perfect examples of why you need to give young players time.
Amad struggled initially, even during his loan to Rangers playing in the SPL. He needed time and space to develop.
While Garnacho burst onto the scene while very young and as such may have been overhyped.
If you put his and Rashford's stats next to eachother when at the same age and it is not the Argentinian who looks like a potential world beater.
While Rashford is the example that talent isn't the only thing that determines success as a footballer.
Garnacho has talent, but he needs to show hard work, discipline and character to develop and become a top player. If he doesn't then he could end up being Januzaj 2.0 rather than the second coming of Ronaldo that he thinks he is/ wants to be.
It's a funny old game, 6 months ago you'd have been certain that Garnacho was going to make it and Amad would likely have to leave. Now it's Amad who looks the cert to become top class and Garnacho who's future is starting to be in doubt. Maybe in another 6 months it swaps back.
{Ed001's Note - I disagree on the end bit. I have always said to Ed77 that I am not impressed with Garnacho but think Diallo has something about him.}
18.) 16 Dec 2024 21:04:51
When Garnacho was firing early in the season, Amad was for the scrapheap, according to most on here. Now it has switched.
IMHO, both are worth keeping, there are others that need moving before Garnacho. many others.
19.) 16 Dec 2024 21:29:21
Both Garna and rash are not in good form from a team perspective if you are looking for players to be servants of the team rather than the other way round where everyone plays to set up things for them. I suspect both will either earn their keep or be sold depending on what happens in the second part of the season.
20.) 16 Dec 2024 21:30:37
Ed001, Garnacho has talent, but I agree I'm not sure exactly what type of player he will become. He seems to be a player who likes to get players 1v1 and then burst past them. He's quick, but not lightening quick. He's not a silky technical dribbler like Amad. His shooting is fairly average, lots of shots either from poor positions or too close to the keeper. He's very greedy and plays with his head down. Yet many of those issues can be coached and improved, but that does require him to do the work. I don't think he's lazy, but it's difficult to work on something you don't think needs improving. The fact that his biggest issue is decision making and he hasn't looked like making any changes other than to shoot more rather than trying to find a team mate, shows that he doesn't seem to see it as an issue.
I think for us he actually looked best when playing on the right, making it unnatural for him to cut inside and shoot off his weaker left foot. That made his game less predictable. The problem is that it seems he's still playing on instinct rather than experience and thought.
The issue is he doesn't have that one really stand out trait. He definitely played on instinct and adrenaline for that first 12 months where he became a regular starter. Or maybe it was that he was a bright spark amongst some pretty dire performances.
The issue is that he still makes the same mistakes now as he made in his first few appearances, which is a concern. When you have a player who is 20 years old who hasn't significantly improved in 18 months as a first team regular it raises questions over their potential and development.
{Ed001's Note - his attitude stinks. He plays for himself, not the team.}
21.) 17 Dec 2024 08:47:15
Bit of a snowball effect going on here lol. Before the game I suspect Garnacho was in most fans' first XI, now he's worthless and needs to be sold? Fickle.
30 May 2024 12:23:48
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1.) 30 May 2024 15:03:08
Bradford?
2.) 30 May 2024 17:09:34
Whatever the original post it was worth it for Danny's reply.
3.) 30 May 2024 17:42:16
Top man for the funnies.
28 Nov 2024 13:57:15
I can not believe after watching Martial is last few years, we signed one of the only strikers in the world that Martial could beat in a race.
26 Jul 2024 13:59:16
Better play than Mount. I wouldn't be against bringing back Andreas Pereira back if we were to bring in an advanced midfielder, has improved significantly at Fulham and looks to moving on this summer with Atletico interested.
19 Jun 2024 10:55:17
Zirzkee, good enough to play for a europa league team which we are currently but also not so good that he is going to be demanding to start week in week out instead of Hojlund. Seems like an ideal signing to take the load of Hojlund.
07 Jun 2024 13:52:02
Loan was a good decision by the hierarchy last summer, probably best to get this situation over and done with this summer for final, whatever the club does in this situation they will be criticised.
16 May 2024 13:31:37
I find it hard to believe the club will remove and replace every other key position at the football club but yet keep the manager the same.
Even if Ten Haag has legitimate excuses for this season performance, it makes sense to make a fresh start.
13 Jan 2025 17:09:21
Hopefully they can use that winners mentality to move us up from 13th in the league table.
09 Jan 2025 15:44:35
Finances are not in a mess but when Ed Woodward famously said “results on the pitch don't materially effect us commercially”, his galaxy brain/ super genius logic was wrong.
08 Jan 2025 10:00:37
Agree with Brad but this wage restraint is hard to do whilst so many under performing high earners remain at the club such as Casemiro, Mount, Rashford and Shaw.
We had the same problem with Sanchez around the time we negotiated with DDG, Martial, Shaw etc.
I hope the club doesn't get to enamoured with this idea of receiving a “pure profit”, because we have a history of academy players making it all the way and we most likely will make a foolish decision and let someone leave of the quality of say i don't know a Cole Palmer lol.
06 Jan 2025 16:03:43
Youtube will make him looks like prime Diego Costa or Didier Drogba.
Think he's more closer to Dominic Calvert Lewin if you watched him for 90 mins for half a season.
05 Jan 2025 12:38:42
Sky are running out of employees to interview him at this rate.