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20 Aug 2022 10:40:45
Maguire and Mctominay linked with moves away.
Could be a clever way for the club to recoup some relatively decent transfer fees because of the british tax and the perceived “Pashun”value.
1.) 20 Aug 2022 11:35:07
The so called "English tax" has nothing to do with how they play or passion, but everything to do with both having to have a number of "homegrown" players, and the perception that clubs want to have by having players from their own nation playing for their side.
PSG want to have top French players, Italian clubs want the best Italian players, Spanish clubs want the best Spanish players, German clubs want the best German players, and of course English clubs want the the best English players.
There is a premium on English players simply because English clubs are among the wealthiest in the world, and there is a serious lack of top end English players. Simple supply and demand.
2.) 20 Aug 2022 16:33:56
What would seriously be a worthwhile fee for Maguire? Even half what Utd paid would be daylight robbery. I think there are some qualities in there but he is so devoid of confidence right now like many Utd players. I think he’d be a better player without the burden of the red shirt which draws so much press.
3.) 20 Aug 2022 17:20:28
The reality is that Maguire was made to look the business by Jonny Evans - a player deemed not good enough.
Then, with confidence on a high, he translated that form to the England team.
Since at United, he's played mainly alongside Lindelof who is mid-table level with full backs who don't offer decent protection and a midfield that cannot deal with pressure.
Ultimately, if he was surrounded by better defensive players and wasn't so relied upon to organise, he'd perform better.
I still don't think he's at the level we'd like, but he's far from the worst defensive member of the squad and has seen his greater urgency render him, from the outset, more culpable.
Shaw, imo, is one of the most overrated players I've ever seen, just like McTominay - they both, along with Dalot, AWB and Telles, have failed their defensive teammates consistently.
4.) 20 Aug 2022 23:33:53
Woggle I hope you were trying to wiggle in some banter because wtf.
5.) 21 Aug 2022 02:21:43
If the deal for Pulisic does indeed never materialise or is just click bait can we send them Maguire anyway to say sorry?
6.) 21 Aug 2022 08:34:15
Keefy, sending them Maguire as an apology is akin to throwing a brick with a note attached through your neighbors window to apologise for kicking your football into their garden.
7.) 21 Aug 2022 09:28:56
Woggle. Maguire messes even simple passes to GK. He will be found out even if he plays in all time great teams. AWB can do a solid defensive job in right back. He may be very useful as a sub in seeing off tight games after 70 mins or so.
8.) 21 Aug 2022 09:58:28
Would be more pleased to see Luke Shaws name on the list tbh, can’t wait to see the day he leaves.
9.) 21 Aug 2022 11:31:50
Yaz.
Maguire is most certainly not good enough, I basically believe he's made to look even worse by other people.
Maestro.
AWB is a truly awful defender.
Just because he has better lally-flapping ability, it does not make him a decent defender. His reading and positioning are absolutely pathetic - he should be the first guy to go.
FZZ.
Couldn't agree more, Shaw is pish.
Ultimately, United have spent £160m on the aforementioned three and their combined value now would be half of that at best.
United have 7 defenders out of 10 senior options - AWB, Dalot, Williams, Shaw, Maguire, Lindelof and Bailly, who are simply not good enough to be starters. That's the problem, at least one player who isn't good enough will need to start.
Selling Maguire would make me happy, but does it solve our problems defensively?
No, because we'd still have to play Lindelof or Bailly when Varane isn't fit and we'd still be reliant on 3 RB options who are all mid-table level.
As for this consensus that, in light of how poor he is, Maguire must be our worst defensive option - bollards!
AWB is easily the most incompetent defender I've ever seen at United.
We need another RB now, and will need at least one more CB before we can think about selling Maguire who, whilst certainly not good enough, is no worse than Lindelof or Bailly.
10.) 21 Aug 2022 12:23:47
United's squad problem is simple to understand. Imagine there are two boxes. Box one is labelled technical ability and intelligence. While box two is labelled physical ability (pace/ power) .
Now go through the squad list and place each player in the appropriate box based on their best aspect.
Now step back and realise box 2 is overflowing and box 1 has very few players in it, while there are probably only a couple of players who could go in either box.
Any manager who has tried to get these players to play as a team with intelligence, adhering to a tactical plan based on making smart decisions and technical ability rather than playing on instinct trying to outpace or overpower the opposition with physical traits has failed miserably to do so.
This is simply because this group of players lacks the technical quality and intelligence to play that way.
11.) 21 Aug 2022 13:20:45
Realistic transfer fee for Maguire
Half a bag of Hola Hoops and 3 jellybeans. Although I'd feel we we're robbing the other club blind.
12.) 21 Aug 2022 13:23:41
Props to the Shappy, that's the most perfect yet, frustratingly, simple way of explaining why United's squad is so disjointed.
01 Jun 2022 09:52:47
Hi Ed002, you mentioned on the Everton page that Richarlison could be offered to Real Madrid or Man United through his agent.
Do the club have any interest in signing him?
{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}
1.) 01 Jun 2022 11:37:11
Lets hope. not.
19 May 2022 23:12:00
Dean Henderson to Newcastle?
Makes a little bit of sense as a permanent move if we need to bring in money.
But doesn't make much sense as a loan deal, if were being honest newcastle will potentially be challenging for europe next season, doesn't make sense to strengthen a rival.
1.) 19 May 2022 23:26:24
Think I’d prefer Dubravka….
18 Jun 2021 18:24:36
Reports that ole is going make a definitive decision on the number 1 spot and has opted for Henderson.
Not an easy call to make and leaves the club in a tough position with DDG.
An alexis type loan deal most likely for him I assume if he wants first team football next season.
1.) 18 Jun 2021 22:23:23
The sensible decision.
2.) 19 Jun 2021 07:32:32
The sensible decision in what way? DDG has been a loyal servant, Henderson has had one good season at Sheff Utd and has more market value. Just because it’s the decision you’d make doesn’t make it sensible Shappy. Think i speak for many on here when I say the sooner you realise that the better.
3.) 19 Jun 2021 07:37:47
What are the loan options, most clubs seem settled in the goalkeeping department, and then there is the matter of his £375k a week wages to cover.
4.) 19 Jun 2021 07:57:45
Thats why its going to have to be an alexis type deal where we pay a fair chunk of the players wages while they play for their loan club.
5.) 19 Jun 2021 09:21:28
Red Whiskey, DDG has continued to decline every year for the past 3 seasons. That is not a blip but a clear pattern of decline.
Currently Henderson and DDG although having different strengths and qualities are probably on par.
So if you have two keepers, on a similar level, but one is declining while the other is improving then surely backing the keeper who is on the up is the sensible thing to do.
DDG has been a loyal servant and he has been paid handsomely for it. He is the highest paid player in the league, yet he isn't even in the top ten best players in the league currently. He has also had a little dig at the club in a post wishing Romero the best. Saying that Romero deserves to be treated well by his next club. He might be 100% right in what he is saying. Yet to publicly back a player leaving the club over the club doesn't look great.
Personally given that it will be hard to sell DDG this summer then loaning him out seems like the best and most sensible decision.
That way both keepers understand their role and it removes the indecision that has impacted both of their performances this season.
Henderson gets a shot at proving himself without the spectre of DDG hanging over his head.
DDG gets a fresh club to play at which might give him the jolt needed to get him back to his best form.
While if Henderson flops then we still have DDG on the books to come back.
6.) 19 Jun 2021 09:30:51
RedWhiskey
What are you on about? It looks like you have a massive soft spot for DDG. Logically thinking, DDG does not deserve to be first choice gk anymore. He has been horrible for past three years and yet is the highest paid player in the league.
Form loss usually only last for weeks or months. DDG has lost his form for 3 years now which means he is in decline. As much he has done for the club, it is time to say good bye.
It is sad to see many people slating henderson just because he is here to replace their beloved DDG. Henderson is still learning and can only be better. He is better in everthing compared to DDG except shot stopping. To be fair, DDG has never been good at anything except shot stopping and there was no one better than him.
As Shappy said, sensible thing is to go for Henderson as first choice and sell DDG. If he was at low wage then i would understand but he is at incredibly stupid wage which is not healthy for the club.
7.) 19 Jun 2021 10:31:40
Henderson is a perfectly adequate goalkeeper, but is that what we want, adequate.
We all agree that DDG needs to be moved on, ideally he would like to go back to Madrid, but neither club there looks an option at the moment. Heard that he sounded out Barcelona as he is close friends with Aguero, but the money situation is too difficult to overcome.
The more you look at it the madder his contract looks, with three years to run and £60million still due to him. Those are big numbers for loan clubs to consider and even bigger for United for someone who might not be playing for you, dwarfs the cost of sacking Jose which cost us only £20million.
Personally I would prefer if we went for someone like Meslier, who is already ahead of Henderson in ability, yet three years younger.
8.) 19 Jun 2021 10:50:58
Grim, he only has two years left on his contact until June 2023. I fully agree that in hindsight the length and size of his contract seems like a bad decision.
I disagree that Henderson is merely "adequate". I think he is a very talented keeper. I'm also not the only one, with teams such as Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, PSG and Dortmund all having had him seriously scouted and interested in signing him (although with PSG signing Donnarumma I expect their interest has gone now) .
Top sides are interested because they see the talent in him. I'd say his current level is greater than that of DDG during his first couple of season's with us.
It would be madness of the club to let him go without giving him a season as first choice to see if he can prove himself at the highest level.
9.) 19 Jun 2021 11:40:05
For me there is no contest between them. If DDG can restore his confidence, which is the problem, then in terms of skill I haven't seen Henderson do anything in the numerous chances he was given last season to suggest he's anywhere near the same level. He's English and has come through our ranks and people like that. But he's not really done a thing as far as I'm concerned other than play well for a lesser side on loan where he was tested far more often.
10.) 19 Jun 2021 11:56:26
Hendo for me all day long. If we lose him we will be searching for a new number 1 in a year or 2 and will struggle to find a keeper as good as him because if he's playing every week he's going to get better.
11.) 19 Jun 2021 12:40:00
Option on the additional year Shappy, we usually extend those because we want to get a fee for a player. With the exception of the Dog Walker, have we ever let a player at DDG's level go without asking for money in return?
I agree Henderson is talented, but so is Lingard, at United he is a squad player, not a first team player.
Interesting that Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, PSG and Dortmund all looked at Dean. However PSG decided on Donnurumma, Dortmund went with Kobel, Spurs were actually looking at Maignan until he went to Milan, Chelsea considered Donnarumma, but now he has gone to PSG will stick with what they have and Arsenal want Onana.
12.) 19 Jun 2021 13:52:27
The problem is, is that DDG has made mistakes for the past 3 years and until this season wasn't dropped. Romero deserved to be our number 1.
In OGS first season DDG cost us a place in the CL by making some very silly errors, which were partly down to OGS wanting to play out from the back. The club then went on to offer him a huge new contract, which he didn't deserve due to how poor his form was. Even Mourinho said on Sky Sports that is was very surprised that he got a deal like that given how poor he had been.
OGS can't make a decision. He Brough Henderson back, left Romero in the lurch and the only GK who was probably happy was Grant.
I can't wait for the club to offer pogba a new monster deal and watch him play poorly again. He clearly doesn't want to be at the club. During the Euros his comments have made it obvious.
Utd are a poorly managed club, run by amateurs.
13.) 19 Jun 2021 14:08:12
There is no proof that Henderson will only get better and improve and there is no proof that a goalkeeper at 31 will keep declining.
The only real question is if we believe Henderson will become a top top keeper, i personally don't. So we have two options:
1) We believe in him becoming a top keeper and far better than the current ability of De Gea so we keep him.
2)We don't believe in him and believe that it is a risk so we sell him NOW because now his price is higher. After 1-2 average seasons his price will go down. Furthermore between two "average" keepers i would prefer the one with the expiration date (De Gea) . He has two year contract and we have enough time to think about his replacement if we won't renew his contract. He will also be 33 and we will have an easy desicion. With Henderson it will not be an easy desicion because of age and nationality, so if he is half decent stick with him so stick with an average keeper.
So the sensible choice is stick with De Gea and at the same time try to find his replacement after 1-2 seasons.
14.) 19 Jun 2021 14:14:59
Hatter,
You’ve just said OGS can’t make a decision then described the decision he made. I think what you mean is he made a decision you didn’t agree with which is different.
15.) 19 Jun 2021 14:37:30
Id sell them both and go for Oblak. You never know until you ask.
16.) 19 Jun 2021 15:17:47
Is this a new trend over here where players are judged without being given a proper chance to prove themselves? And yet we got Ole in charge.
I agree DeGea is the more experienced and better shot stopper of the two and if possible I would have him as No.1 with Henderson as backup rotating with him and gaining experience in the process.
However, if we have to make a choice then based on the mistakes made by both I would keep Henderson as he is much younger and a better all round keeper and has time on his side to improve upon his weakness. I would give him a season to see if he can step up and if not we can always get someone better.
The problem though is with DeGea's contract right now and we somehow need to handle that.
GrimisnotDead as far as Lingard is concerned he was given more than enough chances in the first team which he failed to take. And other teams haven't come in for Hendo probably because we are not yet ready to let him go.
17.) 19 Jun 2021 16:02:25
It's definetely the riskier of the options. Ole immediately alienated Lukaku upon his arrival in place of the local lad. After numerous options up front the situation will require major attention at the end of this season. Will history repeat itself?
I personally think it's the wrong decision but I hate the idea of rotating GKs. If he's chosen Henderson then so be it.
18.) 19 Jun 2021 21:08:56
LPU, wasn't Lingard only behind Lukaku in the scoring stats in 17/ 18 under Jose, hardly not taking his chance. He then had his dip in form which was due to his well know off field issues. Ole initially refused to let him go on loan, its was only because Jesse forced the issue that Ole buckled, and you have to agree he took his chance at WH.
Teams haven't come in for Hendo because clubs know we aren't ready to let him go? That is not how football works, if a club was truly interested in him they would have already sounded out his agent about the possibility of a move, the fact that the majority have scouted him and moved on says alot.
But that is the beauty of football, we all have opinions, for me Henderson would be perfect for an Everton or West Ham, but not a top four team, which is what we expect to be.
19.) 20 Jun 2021 04:47:01
GrimisnotDead, Lingard played well for a while but he was afforded a lot of chances to make the position his own which he failed to do so. So, effectively he has not taken his chance.
How do you know that other clubs haven't come in for him? And without even giving Henderson a proper chance why are you even judging him to not be good for us? Just give him a chance to prove himself before making a hasty judgement.
20.) 20 Jun 2021 07:53:18
Grim, I don't think Lingard and Henderson's situations are comparable.
Lingard has made 133 appearances for the club over a 7 year period, under three different managers.
Henderson has made 13 appearances, in one year, under one manager, with 8 of them coming in a run of consecutive games.
Teams have come in for Henderson, they have approached his agent and they have approached the club and have been met with a flat out no.
The fact they have moved on when a top club have refused to sell them a player, only says they are well run and not stupid.
21.) 20 Jun 2021 08:12:12
Herrera, while there might not be any definitive proof that a 24 year old goalkeeper will continue to improve. It's pretty well accepted that most players hit their peaks in their late 20's or early 30's. With keepers often hitting their peaks later and sustaining it for longer.
So while there is not proof that Henderson will improve, probably around 90% of keepers at his age will continue to improve.
Is there any definitive proof that DDG will continue to decline? No, but he has shown a steady and continuous decline over the past 3 seasons. That's more than a blip. Poor form lasts week's, maybe months, but not years.
For me the only way I see DDG rediscovering his form is if he moves and has a new challenge. Even then I doubt that will see him return to his absolute best.
For me he is a similar keeper to Casillas. Great shot stopper, average at everything else. Even at his peak DDG was weak in the air, his distribution was average, his command of his area was poor. But he made saves that no one had a right to make. His reactions were freakish.
The issue is as you age your reaction speed declines first. We saw it with Casillas and we are seeing it with DDG. His shot stopping is still way above average, but it's not anywhere near where it was when he was 26. And in my opinion it never will be again.
This has exposed DDG's lack of quality in all other goalkeeping departments. His inability to play out from the back has seen him lose his spot for the national team, first to Kepa now to Simon.
Both decent keepers but not world class.
The reality is that he is likely to continue to decline. Apparently Ole has set him with specific training to try and improve his distribution. Something I wonder why no other managers/ goalkeeping coaches have done. Over the past 8 years he should have been working to improve his weaknesses and make himself a better all round keeper, that would have mitigated his loss in reaction time as he aged and would have kept him near the top.
Currently there are maybe 4 or 5 keepers in the EPL better than him. With some young ones who over the next year or so might overtake him as well. Dean Henderson being one of them.
I expect if you went to all the top sides and offered them DDG or Henderson right now for the same price, say 30m. The majority would pick Henderson. That tells you all you need to know about who should be out No.1.
22.) 20 Jun 2021 08:38:42
I miss van der Sar : (.
23.) 20 Jun 2021 09:39:56
Trololo, I miss VDS, my personal favourite keeper during my lifetime.
04 Jan 2021 20:54:57
Rojo to boca juniors? Not sure if accurate but Would make sense for him to finish his playing back in his natice argentina.
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09 Oct 2025 12:56:57
Maguire in talks for a new contract.
Thoughts? Would seem unnecessary to me given his age and lack of pace.
1.) 09 Oct 2025 18:55:23
I don't see any merit in it at all he has been talking about it a bit. I'd imagine he will be the one looking to talk to understand all his options.
Perhaps he is trying to drum up some interest before Jan window in the hope he might make the wc squad.
Im sure he'd like to be playing more. If they offer him appropriate wages to stay for another season like Evans did then that's something he might like to do. We are not blessed with many long servers at the club unusually.
2.) 10 Oct 2025 07:02:55
Absolutely no way should he have a new contract
Should of gone to West Ham a few years back
We should of paid him off and we would of got about £20 million and not had to pay £10 million a season in wages saving us roughly £40 million
We should be all over Guehi no transfer fee an absolute no brainer.
3.) 10 Oct 2025 09:22:49
Blackpool Red,
I agree with you.
4.) 10 Oct 2025 11:50:37
Blackpool I agree with you but I'm going to be the grammar police here and point out it's "should have" not "should of"
15 Sep 2025 13:28:52
I think Amorims status has become political now with the hierarchy. His record would see him sacked at 100% of top clubs and he himself seems to be begging for the sack lol.
Sacking him now would effectively being saying out loud that Dan Ashworth was right, which is hard for Ratcliffe, Berrada and Wilcox to do.
At the time Ashworth left, there was some aggressive briefing that the hierarchy were really disappointed with the suggestions he had to replace to Ten Hag such as Eddie Howe and the hierarchy were more impressed with Wilcox and Berrada s“sophisticated galaxy brains” who suggested a young up and coming manager from the continent.
1.) 15 Sep 2025 13:57:14
If you look at Ineos at Lille they have gone through managers quite often they don’t have a great track record tbh.
Tbf if Dan ashworth wanted Southgate and those rumours of him not being on the same page as everyone else then it was right to get rid of him
We need everyone pulling in the same direction.
2.) 15 Sep 2025 14:33:05
If Dan Ashworth wanted Southgate to replace ETH then thank heaven he was sacked.
3.) 15 Sep 2025 18:19:06
Not sure what Ayden had to do with it ;)
4.) 15 Sep 2025 20:21:34
we sully peoples reputation. the stuff about southgate is what the club leaked and complete bs. Ashworth wanted someone with pl experience and was not in favor of the system Amorim wanted. He lost and got sacked and Wilcox is the architect of it all.
02 Sep 2025 11:41:37
I know it was only 1 game but thought Zirkzee was impressive on Saturday, technically a very good player that can link up well with mbeumo and cunha on either side.
Appreciate we have bought Sesko in but think Zirkzee will get a lot of minutes to take the burden off him.
Also Mazraoui impressed off the bench, another player who improves the team technically, should start for me as the right centre half, with yoro moving over to the left.
1.) 02 Sep 2025 12:51:14
Guessing that’s why we let Hojlund move on DSG as they felt Zirkzee was a better fit and player.
2.) 02 Sep 2025 12:52:48
Zirkzee is a good option in games against top teams. He drops into midfield to help out, and effectively move the ball on for counter attacks. I think he’s a better player than people gave him credit for last season, but he isn’t a striker.
3.) 02 Sep 2025 14:10:33
I would have preferred we kept McTom rather than buy Zirkzee. McTom was also a goal threat. Maybe we've been watching different players but it seems to me that Zirkzee often has a poor first touch and looks a little slow.
4.) 02 Sep 2025 20:19:58
Great to see others are starting to see the positives that Zirkzee brings to the team.
31 Aug 2025 17:56:18
6 premier leagues, 1 champions league, 6 domestic cups, 70% win record and a few trebles tends to give you some breathing space from media scrutiny tbf lol.
1.) 31 Aug 2025 18:35:22
And a billion pounds spent and 115 cases against you affords you those records.
2.) 31 Aug 2025 21:05:26
United
We spend with the best of them. if you were honest with yourselves, does anyone doubt pep being in it and around the top come end of the season. they always have a sh. t start and he almost treats it like preseason first 10 games.
3.) 31 Aug 2025 21:26:20
Don't doubt city being towards top but we all know city have cheated on massive scale to get where they are.115 charges will come home to roost some.
4.) 31 Aug 2025 23:35:35
Like last season Ahmad?
5.) 01 Sep 2025 07:56:09
What is happening with the 115 charges, it’s gone quiet.
6.) 01 Sep 2025 10:48:15
City were 3rd.
26 Aug 2025 15:58:08
“We were not prepared to play in europe this season”
Amorims words from his press conference preview ahead of grimsby, one of the few weeks we will have a midweek game this season.
Do you think he used those words as motivation for the europa league final lol?
1.) 26 Aug 2025 17:12:31
And was proven right.
2.) 26 Aug 2025 19:40:10
Well with some degree of confidence let us all agree we should be able to handle Grimsby town even with this lousy squad:) is it away or at home, might be a tough away fixture.
3.) 26 Aug 2025 20:46:41
To be fair, I’d you’re Grimsby Town, there’s no better time to face Utd.
Unless you’re in the camp that believe we’re on the cusp of greatness.
Keen to see what the straw that breaks the camel’s back will be for Amorim’s tenure.
10 Jul 2025 21:09:16
Two days into pre season and Amorims authority is already undermined.
Might as well bring back Sancho and Rashford.
The club should already be planning for a mid season managerial change around october/ november time.
29 Jun 2025 12:30:50
Tbf to him, started really well in his first season until his injury.
Then we had the fiasco of his rehab which the club messed up.
Surely wouldn't be the worst back up for Dorgu, better than Dalot playing on his wrong foot.
19 Jun 2025 22:53:53
Move Onana into midfield, better on the ball than Ugarte and more mobile than Casemiro lol.
17 Jun 2025 12:03:50
If Chelsea found his wages too much to handle, there are going to be a very few clubs that will accept Sancho on the wages he is on.
The club may have to look at reintegration into the squad as one of the 10s as a backup, he is better than Mason Mount at football and he didn't fall out with the current manager so might be worth a shot tbh.
11 Jun 2025 18:20:21
sporting seem like a temperamental bunch, weren't long ago their fans were storming the training ground attacking the players.
Probably better off moving elsewhere like Osihmen or Mateta if we want a cheaper option.
Just seen Zirkzee enjoying himself on holiday, seems like the guy who will turn up to pre season two stone overweight, so either way we need a number 9 asap.
15 Oct 2025 15:55:58
Ahhh Yes Paul Scholes needs youtube hits and media fame desperately lol.
Hes like the most down to earth former player we have and is a fan of the club and mostly echoing what we are saying.
Of course the club are being criticised by former players and even people who are not associated with the club. We are rubbish at the moment and deserve all the criticism we are getting.
One way to stop the criticism is to i don't know, win some football matches lol.
15 Oct 2025 14:13:41
16 goals in his first season, 5 in the champions league and 10 in the premier league.
Hojlunds first season wasnt bad necessarily, i assume if Sesko hits 10ish league goals this season fans would be happy with that.
No doubt Hojlunds second season was a car crash but so was everyones apart from Bruno, who took penalties, no one scored any goals last season, its why we finished 15th lol.
Scholes overall point of replacing a young, talented raw striker with another young, talented and raw striker is fair and makes sense to me.
Only hope is that Sesko is physically more suited to the league and should be able to deal with premier league centre backs more easily but its too early to say.
14 Oct 2025 14:56:18
Liverpool or Draw, considering we won the last game, under Amorim we are not allowed to win the next game.
06 Oct 2025 15:08:39
Plus Shaw and Maguire as long as the club is not foolish enough to extend their contracts.
06 Oct 2025 08:58:58
We have this post every season lol.