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18 Jun 2021 18:24:36
Reports that ole is going make a definitive decision on the number 1 spot and has opted for Henderson.

Not an easy call to make and leaves the club in a tough position with DDG.

An alexis type loan deal most likely for him I assume if he wants first team football next season.


1.) 18 Jun 2021 22:23:23
The sensible decision.

2.) 19 Jun 2021 07:32:32
The sensible decision in what way? DDG has been a loyal servant, Henderson has had one good season at Sheff Utd and has more market value. Just because it’s the decision you’d make doesn’t make it sensible Shappy. Think i speak for many on here when I say the sooner you realise that the better.

3.) 19 Jun 2021 07:37:47
What are the loan options, most clubs seem settled in the goalkeeping department, and then there is the matter of his £375k a week wages to cover.

4.) 19 Jun 2021 07:57:45
Thats why its going to have to be an alexis type deal where we pay a fair chunk of the players wages while they play for their loan club.

5.) 19 Jun 2021 09:21:28
Red Whiskey, DDG has continued to decline every year for the past 3 seasons. That is not a blip but a clear pattern of decline.

Currently Henderson and DDG although having different strengths and qualities are probably on par.

So if you have two keepers, on a similar level, but one is declining while the other is improving then surely backing the keeper who is on the up is the sensible thing to do.

DDG has been a loyal servant and he has been paid handsomely for it. He is the highest paid player in the league, yet he isn't even in the top ten best players in the league currently. He has also had a little dig at the club in a post wishing Romero the best. Saying that Romero deserves to be treated well by his next club. He might be 100% right in what he is saying. Yet to publicly back a player leaving the club over the club doesn't look great.

Personally given that it will be hard to sell DDG this summer then loaning him out seems like the best and most sensible decision.

That way both keepers understand their role and it removes the indecision that has impacted both of their performances this season.

Henderson gets a shot at proving himself without the spectre of DDG hanging over his head.

DDG gets a fresh club to play at which might give him the jolt needed to get him back to his best form.

While if Henderson flops then we still have DDG on the books to come back.

6.) 19 Jun 2021 09:30:51

What are you on about? It looks like you have a massive soft spot for DDG. Logically thinking, DDG does not deserve to be first choice gk anymore. He has been horrible for past three years and yet is the highest paid player in the league.

Form loss usually only last for weeks or months. DDG has lost his form for 3 years now which means he is in decline. As much he has done for the club, it is time to say good bye.

It is sad to see many people slating henderson just because he is here to replace their beloved DDG. Henderson is still learning and can only be better. He is better in everthing compared to DDG except shot stopping. To be fair, DDG has never been good at anything except shot stopping and there was no one better than him.

As Shappy said, sensible thing is to go for Henderson as first choice and sell DDG. If he was at low wage then i would understand but he is at incredibly stupid wage which is not healthy for the club.

7.) 19 Jun 2021 10:31:40
Henderson is a perfectly adequate goalkeeper, but is that what we want, adequate.

We all agree that DDG needs to be moved on, ideally he would like to go back to Madrid, but neither club there looks an option at the moment. Heard that he sounded out Barcelona as he is close friends with Aguero, but the money situation is too difficult to overcome.

The more you look at it the madder his contract looks, with three years to run and £60million still due to him. Those are big numbers for loan clubs to consider and even bigger for United for someone who might not be playing for you, dwarfs the cost of sacking Jose which cost us only £20million.

Personally I would prefer if we went for someone like Meslier, who is already ahead of Henderson in ability, yet three years younger.

8.) 19 Jun 2021 10:50:58
Grim, he only has two years left on his contact until June 2023. I fully agree that in hindsight the length and size of his contract seems like a bad decision.

I disagree that Henderson is merely "adequate". I think he is a very talented keeper. I'm also not the only one, with teams such as Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, PSG and Dortmund all having had him seriously scouted and interested in signing him (although with PSG signing Donnarumma I expect their interest has gone now) .

Top sides are interested because they see the talent in him. I'd say his current level is greater than that of DDG during his first couple of season's with us.

It would be madness of the club to let him go without giving him a season as first choice to see if he can prove himself at the highest level.

9.) 19 Jun 2021 11:40:05
For me there is no contest between them. If DDG can restore his confidence, which is the problem, then in terms of skill I haven't seen Henderson do anything in the numerous chances he was given last season to suggest he's anywhere near the same level. He's English and has come through our ranks and people like that. But he's not really done a thing as far as I'm concerned other than play well for a lesser side on loan where he was tested far more often.

10.) 19 Jun 2021 11:56:26
Hendo for me all day long. If we lose him we will be searching for a new number 1 in a year or 2 and will struggle to find a keeper as good as him because if he's playing every week he's going to get better.

11.) 19 Jun 2021 12:40:00
Option on the additional year Shappy, we usually extend those because we want to get a fee for a player. With the exception of the Dog Walker, have we ever let a player at DDG's level go without asking for money in return?

I agree Henderson is talented, but so is Lingard, at United he is a squad player, not a first team player.

Interesting that Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, PSG and Dortmund all looked at Dean. However PSG decided on Donnurumma, Dortmund went with Kobel, Spurs were actually looking at Maignan until he went to Milan, Chelsea considered Donnarumma, but now he has gone to PSG will stick with what they have and Arsenal want Onana.

12.) 19 Jun 2021 13:52:27
The problem is, is that DDG has made mistakes for the past 3 years and until this season wasn't dropped. Romero deserved to be our number 1.

In OGS first season DDG cost us a place in the CL by making some very silly errors, which were partly down to OGS wanting to play out from the back. The club then went on to offer him a huge new contract, which he didn't deserve due to how poor his form was. Even Mourinho said on Sky Sports that is was very surprised that he got a deal like that given how poor he had been.

OGS can't make a decision. He Brough Henderson back, left Romero in the lurch and the only GK who was probably happy was Grant.

I can't wait for the club to offer pogba a new monster deal and watch him play poorly again. He clearly doesn't want to be at the club. During the Euros his comments have made it obvious.

Utd are a poorly managed club, run by amateurs.

13.) 19 Jun 2021 14:08:12
There is no proof that Henderson will only get better and improve and there is no proof that a goalkeeper at 31 will keep declining.
The only real question is if we believe Henderson will become a top top keeper, i personally don't. So we have two options:
1) We believe in him becoming a top keeper and far better than the current ability of De Gea so we keep him.
2)We don't believe in him and believe that it is a risk so we sell him NOW because now his price is higher. After 1-2 average seasons his price will go down. Furthermore between two "average" keepers i would prefer the one with the expiration date (De Gea) . He has two year contract and we have enough time to think about his replacement if we won't renew his contract. He will also be 33 and we will have an easy desicion. With Henderson it will not be an easy desicion because of age and nationality, so if he is half decent stick with him so stick with an average keeper.
So the sensible choice is stick with De Gea and at the same time try to find his replacement after 1-2 seasons.

14.) 19 Jun 2021 14:14:59

You’ve just said OGS can’t make a decision then described the decision he made. I think what you mean is he made a decision you didn’t agree with which is different.

15.) 19 Jun 2021 14:37:30
Id sell them both and go for Oblak. You never know until you ask.

16.) 19 Jun 2021 15:17:47
Is this a new trend over here where players are judged without being given a proper chance to prove themselves? And yet we got Ole in charge.

I agree DeGea is the more experienced and better shot stopper of the two and if possible I would have him as No.1 with Henderson as backup rotating with him and gaining experience in the process.

However, if we have to make a choice then based on the mistakes made by both I would keep Henderson as he is much younger and a better all round keeper and has time on his side to improve upon his weakness. I would give him a season to see if he can step up and if not we can always get someone better.

The problem though is with DeGea's contract right now and we somehow need to handle that.

GrimisnotDead as far as Lingard is concerned he was given more than enough chances in the first team which he failed to take. And other teams haven't come in for Hendo probably because we are not yet ready to let him go.

17.) 19 Jun 2021 16:02:25
It's definetely the riskier of the options. Ole immediately alienated Lukaku upon his arrival in place of the local lad. After numerous options up front the situation will require major attention at the end of this season. Will history repeat itself?

I personally think it's the wrong decision but I hate the idea of rotating GKs. If he's chosen Henderson then so be it.

18.) 19 Jun 2021 21:08:56
LPU, wasn't Lingard only behind Lukaku in the scoring stats in 17/ 18 under Jose, hardly not taking his chance. He then had his dip in form which was due to his well know off field issues. Ole initially refused to let him go on loan, its was only because Jesse forced the issue that Ole buckled, and you have to agree he took his chance at WH.

Teams haven't come in for Hendo because clubs know we aren't ready to let him go? That is not how football works, if a club was truly interested in him they would have already sounded out his agent about the possibility of a move, the fact that the majority have scouted him and moved on says alot.

But that is the beauty of football, we all have opinions, for me Henderson would be perfect for an Everton or West Ham, but not a top four team, which is what we expect to be.

19.) 20 Jun 2021 04:47:01
GrimisnotDead, Lingard played well for a while but he was afforded a lot of chances to make the position his own which he failed to do so. So, effectively he has not taken his chance.

How do you know that other clubs haven't come in for him? And without even giving Henderson a proper chance why are you even judging him to not be good for us? Just give him a chance to prove himself before making a hasty judgement.

20.) 20 Jun 2021 07:53:18
Grim, I don't think Lingard and Henderson's situations are comparable.

Lingard has made 133 appearances for the club over a 7 year period, under three different managers.

Henderson has made 13 appearances, in one year, under one manager, with 8 of them coming in a run of consecutive games.

Teams have come in for Henderson, they have approached his agent and they have approached the club and have been met with a flat out no.

The fact they have moved on when a top club have refused to sell them a player, only says they are well run and not stupid.

21.) 20 Jun 2021 08:12:12
Herrera, while there might not be any definitive proof that a 24 year old goalkeeper will continue to improve. It's pretty well accepted that most players hit their peaks in their late 20's or early 30's. With keepers often hitting their peaks later and sustaining it for longer.

So while there is not proof that Henderson will improve, probably around 90% of keepers at his age will continue to improve.

Is there any definitive proof that DDG will continue to decline? No, but he has shown a steady and continuous decline over the past 3 seasons. That's more than a blip. Poor form lasts week's, maybe months, but not years.

For me the only way I see DDG rediscovering his form is if he moves and has a new challenge. Even then I doubt that will see him return to his absolute best.

For me he is a similar keeper to Casillas. Great shot stopper, average at everything else. Even at his peak DDG was weak in the air, his distribution was average, his command of his area was poor. But he made saves that no one had a right to make. His reactions were freakish.

The issue is as you age your reaction speed declines first. We saw it with Casillas and we are seeing it with DDG. His shot stopping is still way above average, but it's not anywhere near where it was when he was 26. And in my opinion it never will be again.

This has exposed DDG's lack of quality in all other goalkeeping departments. His inability to play out from the back has seen him lose his spot for the national team, first to Kepa now to Simon.

Both decent keepers but not world class.

The reality is that he is likely to continue to decline. Apparently Ole has set him with specific training to try and improve his distribution. Something I wonder why no other managers/ goalkeeping coaches have done. Over the past 8 years he should have been working to improve his weaknesses and make himself a better all round keeper, that would have mitigated his loss in reaction time as he aged and would have kept him near the top.

Currently there are maybe 4 or 5 keepers in the EPL better than him. With some young ones who over the next year or so might overtake him as well. Dean Henderson being one of them.

I expect if you went to all the top sides and offered them DDG or Henderson right now for the same price, say 30m. The majority would pick Henderson. That tells you all you need to know about who should be out No.1.

22.) 20 Jun 2021 08:38:42
I miss van der Sar : (.

23.) 20 Jun 2021 09:39:56
Trololo, I miss VDS, my personal favourite keeper during my lifetime.



04 Jan 2021 20:54:57
Rojo to boca juniors? Not sure if accurate but Would make sense for him to finish his playing back in his natice argentina.




27 Jul 2020 10:12:15
Does jack grealish helping villa stay up make it easier or harder for a deal to be done to sign him up?


{Ed002's Note - It makes no difference.}



29 Jun 2019 17:16:16
Rashford close to signing a new deal.

Great news.


1.) 29 Jun 2019 18:07:02
Yeh fantastic.

2.) 29 Jun 2019 18:58:18
Good news he’s committing to a new deal altho if reported figures are true i'm not sure why he would get 250k a week plus at his age where do you go from there. Another massive contract for a young player that needs to prove he's worth half that. I guess i'm just a old f****r and despise the over paid nature of these young lads who have done nothing within the game. Personally if have said score 30+ goals this season we can talk about a wage increase.

3.) 29 Jun 2019 19:12:09
Who knows if that reported figure is true and who cares how we personally feel about how much he earns. The key point is that its all relative.

If sanchez is on what he's reported to be on then rashford has every claim to earn as much as he can. he's done more for this club in the 10 games he played under lvg than sanchez has ever done for us.

Martial and shaw just got new contracts and i assume a pay rise, rashford deserves it more than them.

Most posters on here in the last third of the season becried the lack of players who put the required effort in and have the desire to improve themselves. Rashford has both those qualities as well as technical abilities that few in his age range can match.

4.) 29 Jun 2019 19:34:56
Shouldn’t be on three times what Wan-Bissaka has paid. He’s equally as unproven over a sustained period of time.

5.) 29 Jun 2019 20:03:17
Great news if true he has every chance of being the focal point of this new young team we are building.

6.) 30 Jun 2019 09:59:16
This is clearly nonsense. It’s all gone to his head and he is holding the club to ransom for £300K a week isn’t he?



08 Jun 2019 12:13:05
A few reports coming out now that united are getting frustrated and are surprised by the fees involved in signing british young players.

Have they been living under a rock for the past 6 or 16 years?

I completely understand that they have certain valuations for players and if they are quoted over that then they should back away in most circumstances and move on to other targets.

But prices for young british homegrown players have always been at a premium whether its rio ferdiand, andy carroll or kyle walker and i would be baffled if this was surprising them.


1.) 08 Jun 2019 13:07:43
There’s no doubt a Manchester United tax is added to the value of any player we approach.

Daniel James being the perfect example. We are paying twice the fee Leeds were quoted only four months ago.

2.) 09 Jun 2019 02:52:55
Rooney Rio Andy Carroll sterling Walker

The list goes on homegrown cost a hell of a lot more.

3.) 09 Jun 2019 08:28:29
Except Rooney and Rio were worth every penny for our club!

4.) 09 Jun 2019 09:38:35
Very true Eric. As is Sterling for City.

Imagine what Scholes would be worth today 🤔.

5.) 09 Jun 2019 12:36:56
AT Wazza finally someone who really rates Scholes as high as me, if we had a player like Scholes in our current squad our defense wouldn't be as exposed as it has been the past years, he is what i would call MAESTRO. one of those players that don't get recognize in England but are truly hard to find.

6.) 09 Jun 2019 15:22:58
Remanutd he’s exactly the type of player we need. You see Rashford making so many runs but the ball moves sideways.

I remember a game we were losing, playing badly and Scholes was brought on. It was the end of his career. But he collected the ball four times and each time he passed the ball forward. He was so aggressive with his passing, fast and direct.




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14 Jul 2021 14:21:43
Watching it at times it looked like Rice and Phillips were playing a different sport to Jorginho and Verratti. Just could not match their bravery, composure or technical ability whatsoever.

Which is related to us because England reminded me of how we set up sometimes in big games with Mcfred and if we are looking ar Rice to solve our issues in midfield i don't see much changing on that front.


1.) 14 Jul 2021 14:55:10
Both of those players would improve our midfield but not realistic. Rice would massively improve our midfield as a holding midfielder with either Pogba/ Van de beek next to him.
Just because he plays slightly differently to those 2 does not make him a massive upgrade.
The question for me is who we should get and how much would we have to pay.

2.) 14 Jul 2021 16:29:13
It all depends on Ole.

If we signed Rice, then played him alongside McTominey, with McT instructed to play a primarily defensive role like he does alongside Fred, then no, it's not going to change.

However, if Rice was signed to play the defensive role alone, with a partner (either Pogba, Donny or McT) alongside him given freedom to roam forward, then it would be a massive transformation, and exactly what we need.

The same is true no matter who we buy. We could buy Jorginho or even someone like Kimmich, but if we use them as part of McFred 2.0 then the result is the same.

Rice wouldn't be quite my first choice (I'd prefer a more creative CDM), but definitely a good signing IF he is used properly.

3.) 14 Jul 2021 16:52:12
Ole has taken a lot of stick this past season for playing McFred.

Playing two more defensive midfielders in the double pivot is apparently defensive, cowardly and negative according to many posters on here.

We have seen Southgate accused of being just as cautious and defensive this summer by playing Rice and Phillips as his midfield. Although he did just lead England to their first major final in 55 years and only their second ever.

It's funny how some managers are labelled "defensive" based off of their midfield pairing and others are not.

No one considers Klopp's Liverpool side defensive because they played the more defensive midfield duo of Fabinho and Henderson on their way to winning their first title in 30 years. Klopp even played Gini Wijnuldum in a defensive styled No.10 who's primary job was to press and make tackles and win the ball back high up the pitch.

Chelsea won the UCL with a starting midfield of Jorginho and Kante played in front of THREE centre backs. With the full backs as well then that's 7 of the 10 starting outfield players who could be considered defenders first.

Barcelona have played all season with Busquets and Frankie De Jong as their starting midfield.

Over in Italy, AC Milan had a resurgence with the midfield of Tonali and Kessie.

While Juventus had a rotating midfield, but would often play two of Bentancur, Arthur, Danilo, McKennie or Rabiot as their midfield.

Bayern Munich played Kimmich and Goretzka more often than not in midfield, but also had Alaba, Tolisso, Martinez and Roca play minutes in midfield in a league they absolutely dominate.

Dortmund often played Witsel and Delaney at least until Witsel got injured. Then Emre Can, Dahoud and Bellingham covered for him.

RB Leipzig, play Kampl, Laimer and Sabitzer in the double pivot, although they played many different systems and it is much harder to establish who and what system was first choice.

PSG in a real one team league often lined up with two of Danilo Pereira, Parades, Gueye, Verratti and Herrera in their midfield. Marquinhos played there a lot the previous season, but dropped back more permanently into defence now Tiago Silva has departed.

Lille surprised everyone and won the French league with the defensive Bruno Andre and Soumare as their most used double pivot.

Some of these sides play a more defensive way and others a more offensive way. But the same point remains, all of them play with at least two midfielders who's natural instincts and best skills lend themselves to playing a more defensive role.

In fact among the top sides it seems far rarer for a side to play with a single defensive midfielder in their midfield.

This leads me on to wonder if we did sign a player like Rice, would he automatically be paired with one of the more offensive players like Pogba or DvdB, or would he be paired with one of the more defensive players like McTominay or Fred?

For West Ham he has tended to play with Soucek who while grabbing a few goals tends to be a strong defensive presence. While for England Rice has tended to play along side Phillips this tournament and Henderson before that.

It seems that playing with two more defensive minded midfielders is fairly common and in vouge currently. I would suggest that this is because it gives more freedom to the full backs to get forward, while offers a better shield in front of what is becoming far more common, ball playing CB's.

It far more common to find a teams width coming from the full backs, the ball rotation and retention from the centre backs, the creativity from inside forwards and the heart of midfield offering industry and defensive solidity, filling in the gaps and shielding the defence allowing the defenders to get more time and space to get involved in play.

4.) 14 Jul 2021 17:48:43
The difference is shappy, all that you have said are good enough to take the onus of one of them to sit and one to break. McFred doesn’t work that way, if Mctominay bursts forward you’ve got fred who’s as much use as his namesake the Freddo left to sit. If Fred breaks, more often than not he loses the ball. It’s all well pointing out other teams playing with a central two, but they have a system that works. Ours doesn’t, and that’s down to Ole having chose to stick with those two.

5.) 14 Jul 2021 18:02:48
Agree with Thorne. McTominay can't play as a defensive two. Signing Rice would allow him to get forward more.

Sadly, I don't think the manager would change anything though.

Shappy, you've just described completely different systems there. Not too sure what comparison you're trying to make?

6.) 14 Jul 2021 19:34:35
Lol Shappy comparing Fred with Fabinho/ Henderson.
The latter two are from different planet in terms of quality.

The problem we have is McFred are not creative on the ball, don't possess the passing range and don't move the ball quickly to our forwards.

VDB with a proper CDM like Rice will give us a fantastic midfield pivot to build on.

7.) 14 Jul 2021 21:06:51
Its very difficult to know what the manager wants.
Is pogba going to play on the left wing? Or in midfield?
A dcm was not on our priority list of positions to fill.
Is ole playing 2 deep lying midfielders to protect our back 4 and does he intend to continue that with a new cb in place.
Mcfred is good at disrupting opposition play but bad at ball retention and creativity.
At the moment we essentially have matic fred mctom vdb pogba fighting for 2 spots with bruno sitting just ahead of them. I'd imagine garner will go on loan.

8.) 14 Jul 2021 21:07:41
I think if Utd were tearing it up with Fred and McT it wouldn't matter. I have no problem with a so-called defensive pairing, as long as they can play a bit too, as many of Shappy's examples can. Unfortunately, the pair we have been lumbered with are simply energetic battlers, sure there's room for them in a squad but not as 'the' Manchester United midfield. Ideally, neither should be first choice, let alone both. I don't buy this nonsense about Ole 'having' to play them to cover a weak defence. He just has no choice, really. I do believe Rice would be horrifically over-priced and beyond us (at least in this window), but we're not talking about the differences between specficic pairings, we're talking about players who can do the mucky stuff and also play vs, well, donkeys. There isn't a single player in the squad who 'should' be starting in midfield for Utd. For what it's worth I'd consider Fernades more a striker really, he doesn't belong in the war-zone.

9.) 14 Jul 2021 21:12:49
Obviously every team plays slightly different systems, they have to as a team is to an extent the sum of its parts. Some teams have creative wide players, some have attacking full backs, some have a No.10 others don't, some have a false 9 or a back three etc etc.

How the midfield functions as a sum of the rest of the side is the crux of it all.

I'm just really pointing out that very few top sides play with a single defensive pivot. Most have at least two midfielders who carry more defensive burden that offensive. It's quite normal to have a double pivot where both players are expected to tackle, to press and to win the ball. Some are lucky enough to have players who can do that AND offer a more progressive movement of the ball.

Also I'm not saying McFred are good enough or comparable to those players.

Just that stylistically playing with two more defensive midfielders in a double pivot isn't that uncommon.

I find the idea that if we sign another CDM that we will automatically play someone like Pogba or Donny alongside them. The reality is that whoever plays along side any potential CDM we sign will still be expected to make tackles, to work hard, to press the opposition and to track runners.

Yes the midfield needs rebuilding, as simply put it isn't fit for purpose as it is. But the idea that we can sign a CDM then play someone who is only focused on attacking alongside them probably won't work out.

10.) 14 Jul 2021 23:32:29
But McTominay and Fred aren't CDMs, we only have Matic and Garner for that.

So we either put faith in Garner or sign a proper CDM to give the other footballers the license to get forwards.

11.) 15 Jul 2021 08:18:20
Sepp ole didn't want to play like that.

12.) 15 Jul 2021 09:10:41
Ole initially played with one CDM a box to box and an CAM. The double pivot seems to come from his lack of faith in the defense, which could shift with someone like Varane coming in. I don't particularly believe this is how Ole wants to play, as that is not how he began as manager.

Things changed when Smalling got injured after that initial spell in charge, and results suffered, leading to the double pivot the following year, with Smalling departing.

13.) 15 Jul 2021 09:54:17
There is a level of balance a manager will look to when building his team. It's fairly standard that you look to get 5 of the 10 outfield players in attacking positions, along with 5 offering ball retention and defensive cover.

At United we play with a four players (RW, ST, LW and No.10) who are clear offensive players. often with Shaw providing the 5th offensive option playing on either the over lap or under lap on the left.

That means ideally you don't want one of the midfield double pivot in the attack initially as it would unbalance your side, creating gaps for the opposition to counter via.

For the same reason you don't really want the RB to be overlapping either as that again would give us 6 players in the offensive third and unbalance us.

Occasionally you might want a midfielder to break forward during the second or third phase of an attack once the opposition has regrouped and are back in their defensive shape. You then need a 6th player to come in to find/ create space.

What we really lack from of midfielders is the ability to move the ball quickly and accurately as well as carrying out their defensive duties.

McFred's biggest weakness is they move the ball too slowly, which means by the time our forwards get the ball the opposition are back in shape and they now have to win a 1v1 to create the space that was there a few seconds before when the pass to then should have been played.



02 Jul 2021 16:47:22
First Mata, now Lee Grant new contract.

Amazing to see the club securing the futures of such key players.

Fingers crossed fred the red and albert the kit man are tied down soon as well.


1.) 02 Jul 2021 17:48:06
Means one of Ddg or Henderson may be about to leave.

{Ed014's Note - both more likely

2.) 02 Jul 2021 18:20:34
Do you believe there is a chance both will leave? Isn't it too progressive for our club?

3.) 02 Jul 2021 20:16:49

With Tom Heaton signing, it does make you think about the futures of DDG and Henderson. I thought he would be 3rd choice, clearly not.

{Ed014's Note - I’ve said before I’m not convinced by either and Heaton would be ideal backup to Oblak whilst making some money from both Ddg and Henderson, both sellable assets.

4.) 02 Jul 2021 20:35:14
So that looks like Heaton as second choice, and Grant as third.

Means that it's almost certain one of DDG or Henderson will leave this summer either permanently or on loan.

While I definitely think it's worth giving Henderson a run before a final decision about whether he is good enough of not. The reality is it will be though to move DDG on.

I am struggling now to see where he could go. PSG have just signed Donnarumma, while AC Milan replaced him with Maignan (an excellent player btw) . Bayern have Neuer, Real have Courtois, Barcelona have Ter-Stegen, Atletico have Oblak. All now better keepers than DDG.

Inter have Handanovic, Roma are looking to sign Patricio. In England City and Liverpool have better keepers in Ederson and Alisson. Arsenal are looking at Onana and in honesty couldn't afford him. Spurs and Leicester have keepers who are on par and would probably struggle to afford him. Chelsea I don't think would go anywhere near him. While Kepa and Mendy are arguably at a similar level to DDG currently.

The only top side who I think could afford him AND he is currently better than their current No.1 is Juventus.

Literally every other top side has either a keeper as good as him or better.

That makes it a tough sell.

5.) 02 Jul 2021 21:31:58
I honestly don't know what people see in Alisson. He had so much blunders this season. He isn't any better than DDG tbh.

Anyway, if we are playing this game, perhaps if we buy Oblak, DDG could go to Atletico, and I supose Henderson would find buyers.
Other than that, Inter is looking for a Handanovic replacement soon (or so I have read somewhere), but I doubt they have the money.

6.) 02 Jul 2021 23:12:41
Allison had a difficult year Trololo but even in this year he saved them a lot of times but made a lot of mistakes. Mistakes can happen but he is still a top class keeper and way better than Henderson and De Geas current ability.

7.) 03 Jul 2021 07:22:53
So who is to say he won't keep making those mistakes? Perhaps he just looked very good while they had VVD defending him? Perhaps DDG would look much better if he had better defensive line up in front of him?
I honestly don't think he is a top level keeper, but then again, that is just my opinion.

8.) 03 Jul 2021 09:14:32
Totally agree on Allison, if ddg had a season like him we'd be saying get rid, oh we are I forgot.



05 May 2021 20:53:22
3 league games in 5 days next week.

Going to be interesting to see how ole handles that with team selection.

AWB and Maguire are probably going to start all 3 but expect everyone else to start 2.

Maybe donny can finally get meaningful minutes in the league.


1.) 05 May 2021 21:56:23
Lindelof will need rotating as I doubt his back will be upto it. We might see Bailly tomorrow.

2.) 05 May 2021 22:04:23
Who is this Donny you mention?

3.) 06 May 2021 00:24:18
Top 4 will be in the bag the only result that really matters will be the EL final and of course the Liverpool game. It would be nice to win all 3 ole will want to go into the final with a good finish to the league behind them but it will be good just to keep the players ticking over and sharp there will be no need to over play anyone. Ole might well give mata a last hurrah i'd expect telles Williams bailly donny matic diallo martial James ddg all to start in Last one of the games.

4.) 06 May 2021 08:10:23
Last one of the games is Liverpool Ken, I think Ole will rest most vs Villa after Roma game.



09 Apr 2021 11:13:39
Good result last night but another poor performance in my opinion.

Just got me thinking that being a forward in this current team does not look to be an enjoyable experience at the moment, good chances are hard to come by.

Cavani against brighton, mason last night hardly had a sniff at goal. It is no surprise that our two top goalscorers, bruno (who takes penalties) and rashford (is able to create chances on his own, feed off scraps) are the only players consistently scoring.

Which brings me onto the summer, lots of talk about haaland but i give it about 5 minutes before his agent is piping up about the lack of chances created for him up top and noises start circulating about him wanting to move elsewhere where chanes are easier to come by.


1.) 09 Apr 2021 11:53:48
This is what I have been saying for a while on here, while Martial certainly isn't a top class striker (despite having the talent to be) .

The real issue is we create very little. Everything goes through Bruno or is a cross from Shaw. Other than that? Zip, nada not a bean.

James is good at getting behind high line defences but his end product is patchy. If Greenwood or Rashford get on the ball their first instinct is to find the path to goal for themselves.

As the season has worn on and Bruno has become more obviously fatigued our ability to create has dwindled.

That is why for me a creative wide player is a far more important summer signing than a ST.

2.) 09 Apr 2021 12:30:49
DSG - Last night was absolutely pathetic in my opinion. A complete bore fest totally devoid of any rhythm, tempo or intensity.

In my opinion Utd have benefited hugely from the absence of fans in stadiums. It has enabled Ole to play a brand of soulless, unimaginative, negative football. The ends justify the means for Ole as results have been decent but this brand of football is unsustainable.

I remember a thread last week about someone complaining of too much football on TV. From a personal perspective I’d loved watching all the different teams but perhaps the saddest indictment of too much football on TV is if I wasn’t a Utd fan I definitely wouldn’t watch any of our games.

We have been treated to a thrilling week of Champions League football yet Utd v Granada only illustrated the gulf in quality and glamour between the two competitions. I can’t think of any neutral who would have sat through 90 minutes of that rubbish last night.

Like I’ve said a thousand times Ole is prioritising results over performances. He is always one game away from a crisis and he has always been nearer the sack than building something sustainable at Old Trafford.

Utd fans aren’t stupid, despite a good result last night we all know the performance was horrific.

We spent the best part of £80m on VdB and Diallo last summer yet despite being 1-0 up and in control of a game against European minnows who’s entire squad cost only £8m to assemble Ole decided to introduce Matic and only give VdB an embarrassing 5 minutes at the end of one of the worst games of football I’ve seen in a long term.

Results are papering over the cracks and the writing is on the wall.

3.) 09 Apr 2021 15:55:43
2-0 away from home in any European tie is always a very good result.

But we're 3 years into the managers reign and the football is absolutely appaling. A decent RW and ST won't change the way we play, it will improve our results slightly because better players will do that. But in terms of how we set up, our movement, our patterns. They are non existent. It's clearly evident that right now we have a football manager in Charge who is a woeful coach.

Out Or previous managers were hammered for poor football and this is just as bad as peak LvG and peak Jose. And both of them had inferior squads.

It's very hard to watch.

4.) 09 Apr 2021 16:54:39
2 nil is a great result in terms of going into the semi final.
At least we are back to winning.
Its not pretty its dull but its the business end of the season so I'm not going to get on oles back while we are keeping clean sheets and finding a way to win.

5.) 09 Apr 2021 17:50:15
Odd perspective there its a case of job done last night.
Few negative points that might be valid but have very little to do with the match and are off little relevance .

6.) 10 Apr 2021 02:23:53
Professional away performance in Europe, 2-0 win, clean sheet, job done.



04 Mar 2021 10:09:40
Interesting stat (although context does apply) :

After 27 games

13/ 14 - 45 points (Moyes Special)

14/ 15 - 50 points (Galactico Era, RVP, Falcao, Di Maria, Rooney)

15/ 16 - 44 points (Didnt score a goal at one end of old trafford for 3 months)

16/ 17 - 50 points (Raiola Era, Zlatan, Pogba and Micky)

17/ 18 - 56 (joses best season)

18/ 19 - 52 (Worst Home kit we've ever had)

19/ 20 - 41 (how did ole keep his job when pochettino was available. )

20/ 21 - 51 points (Bruno and Rashford Carry Job)

Its not much better than LVG/ Jose if we are being brutally honest.

Add to that an embarrasing champions league exit which happened under LVG and Jose as well.


{Ed077's Note - Didn't LVG and Jose get the sack because they weren't good enough though? So matching their records surely isn't good enough?}

1.) 04 Mar 2021 10:36:19
Without the introduction of VAR we probably would of had half the penalties and less points. And on the Bruno and Rashford carry job, have you been watching Rashford? Been woeful again as he’s too busy trying to become a national hero admins forgotten what he’s paid to do. Useless he’s been and be very lucky to make the England squad for the euros if he does.

2.) 04 Mar 2021 10:40:36
I’ve just posted a less than flattering view of where we are, but comparisons to other seasons are slightly unfair given the shortened season. We can see across the board that everyone other than City is struggling.

3.) 04 Mar 2021 10:46:55
It was nice to see Woodward get annoyed last night when Maguire made a howler.

Surely he can see OGS is out of his depth. It wouldn't surprise me if we ended up dropping out of the top 4 and scrapping a EL spot.

4.) 04 Mar 2021 10:50:16
LvG lost his job because the fans kicked off and the board cracked and sacked him.

Jose lost his job because he lost the dressing room after throwing pretty much every player under the bus.

Ole still has the dressing room behind him and the majority of fans won't fly a plane over Old Trafford asking for his head so he'll keep his job as long as he maintains the clubs minimum expectations (UCL qualification) .

To be honest what this post actually highlights is that there is little difference between how the club performs across 4 different managers. The performances are similar, the results are similar, and the fans disappointment is the same.

It doesn't seem to matter who is manager, which players we sign or what fans say or do. It's almost like the problem is higher up and filtering a shower of rubbish down and not the other way around.

What is the clubs ambition? Every time the club scrape top 4 the investment dries up. It almost seems that the owners ambition is financially driven, keep the club in the sweet spot to keep the money rolling in but no more than that.

I think too many fans only really understand our club under Sir Alex, a man who had more power than those above him. Which is a broken system, but oddly worked because of Sir Alex's brilliance. Now fans expect a manager to be able to dictate the direction of the club. When in reality they are glorified coach, they picj the tactics and which players they play each week, but they have a limited impact on who the club bring in, or how much money is spent to bring those players in. Two managers have wanted Martial sold, Pogba has wanted to leave for 3-4 years but the club won't let either happen.

The manager will eventually get sacked, as is the fate for 90% of managers. But then the same people will hire the next manager, and pick the new transfers, and decide the direction of the club and we will be having the same discussions in 2-3 years time. Until the fans stop asking for the managers head and start shouting for the boards resignation very little will change.

5.) 04 Mar 2021 11:08:18
That's not true ajh more than half the teams in the league have improved year on year.

6.) 04 Mar 2021 11:16:40

Liverpool were drifing in a state of mediocrity (apart from suarez and sturridge season) between 2009 and 2017. Then klopp came along as an outstanding coach/ manager and changed their fortunes.

Tottenham were drifting in a state of medicority until pochetino came and transformed them into champions league finalists and premier league contenders. Almost unheard of for them.

Of course there are problems at board level but i still think a modern competent coach/ manager could get a lot more out of our resources.

7.) 04 Mar 2021 11:56:47
DSG, In both cases with Klopp and Pochettino they had excellently run clubs. They had a clear vision, the manager was hired because they fitted that vision, they recruited players that suited that vision, and when everyone at a club pulls in the same direction then you can achieve things.

We don't have that. Until we do we will be stuck regardless of who the manager is.

8.) 04 Mar 2021 10:23:49
Yes that's my point ed077, although i don't think Ole neccesarily needs to be sacked.

Maybe more just saying well done to Ole, youve taken us as far as you can, done a good job of trimming down the squad and wage bill and mutually agree to part ways at the end of his contract or at the end of the season.

{Ed077's Note - I think it's time OGS goes. IMO he has taken Utd as far as he could.

Just My opinion, nobody try to kill me now😁}

9.) 04 Mar 2021 12:31:09

When the club have a poor board with poor vision AND a poor manager who lacks coaching ability it leaves us where we are. We can’t change the owners or board easily but can get a manager who do a lot better than at present.

The excuses of wait to change manager until we have an excellently run club are ridiculous because that could be years away. Change is needed now.

10.) 04 Mar 2021 12:34:39
Tottenham really looks excellently run now i guess after pochettino left.

11.) 04 Mar 2021 12:48:19
Yet here we are second ken.

12.) 04 Mar 2021 12:50:54
Red Man, you probably have a point, it could be decades until we are a well run club and we will likely have to drop lower than where we are for that to happen. 3-5 years without UCL qualification before the owners either decide to get their hands dirty and sort out the running of the club or to decide they haven't got the stomach for it and sell it on.

As fans we are going to have to accept that and appreciate that until we are run well that we will need to temper our expectations.

Probably something more in line with a top four finish, a cup run and maybe play some good football every few weeks.

We can't expect to see consistently good football, with great results every week. We can't go having a meltdown every time we draw a game, or god forbid lose one.

The club isn't run well enough to give any manager the platform they need to do that.




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15 Jul 2021 20:30:40
Henderson for PL, DDG for the CL and cups. Other clubs have operated in such a fashion. For example Casilas and Diego Lopez for real madrid.


{Ed0666's Note - England with Clemence and Shilton



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15 Jul 2021 20:28:56
Hard to buy a player if he doesn't want to leave Italy mind.


{Ed0666's Note - You do what most rich clubs do bribe the player.



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02 Jul 2021 18:08:17
Might be worth his while to just see out his contract in Madrid.

29 year old defender of his calibre as a free agent would have a lot of suitors.




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25 Jun 2021 13:58:26
It was always an odd signing if you just compared the style of play between us and Ajax.

Ajax play a methodical possession based game with the system taking priority over individual brilliance, where as we play a much less coherent style of play which is heavily reliant on individuals doing something out of the blue.




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25 Jun 2021 11:54:43
Rohan, can any of those players play the position to a high standard.

Quality over quantity.





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23 Jul 2021 21:03:27
Pepe seems a decent player tbf, bit underwhelming considering the hype but has, basically scored the same amount of goals as he did for Lille if you discount penalties which he doesn't take for Arsenal.




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23 Jul 2021 12:35:24
Prisoners demand Pizza

maybe we could look to a similar sort of deal for our 'hostage'.

Just keep the ransom away from Luke Shaw.




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21 Jul 2021 17:00:02
Intriguing player, agree on the ozil comparison, looks like a hybrid of dele alli and ozil to me. Has the creativity but also can drift off the striker into goalscoring positions like Alli used to.




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20 Jul 2021 23:03:58
Quality player and would be a significant miss if he left but not the end of the world by a long stretch.




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18 Jul 2021 17:04:19
Forgot real and Barcelona only play domestic football, haven't been frequent champions league winners in recent history.