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14 Nov 2023 17:50:37
Ed002. I've seen reports that united are interested in bringing back Ruben neves fra SA. With the possibility of cassimero heading out there.
Do you know if united still hold any interest in neves despite him only moving out there in the summer?
Ta.
{Ed002's Note - There have been discussions between his agent and two other clubs. Manchester United have other targets.}
1.) 15 Nov 2023 12:40:07
Would one of those targets be Joao Neves from Benfica?
{Ed002's Note - Joao Neves (DM/CM) Discussed with Chelsea when meeting over another player as they were seeking a replacement for Loftus-Cheek. Potential Casemiro replacement for Manchester United. Huge buy out clause and Benfica will not look to sell but recognise there will be growing interest. Versatile, but falls over easily.}
2.) 15 Nov 2023 13:25:33
Ed002 - are you able to share any of our preferred targets? Looked back through previous posts and all I can recently see in relation to the CM/ DM position is that Andre isn't a target, and Amadou Onana is way down the list.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I would expect changes with the new DoF.}
3.) 15 Nov 2023 13:54:57
Just on that note Ed, you've mentioned SJR would like Paul Mitchell - there have also been reports about Dougie Freedman from Crystal Palace - is there any truth in that or is PM still the preferred choice?
{Ed002's Note - Paul Mitchell is the person who is wanted.}
4.) 15 Nov 2023 14:35:26
Thanks for all info Ed002.
Should Paul Mitchell arrive soon as DoF, do you think he’ll influence the list of targets the club might have?
Would be hoping, with his contacts and experience, he could bring in a few unpolished gems, rather than the premium names United normally seem to go for.
(And hoping, in his time off after leaving Monaco, he’s been busy preparing for his new role at United and identifying targets already! )
{Ed002's Note - Yes he will have an influence over the targets.}
5.) 15 Nov 2023 17:13:19
Whoop whoop best news in years finally the club will go for the best in everything.
6.) 15 Nov 2023 17:36:49
Thanks as always for reply Ed002!
7.) 15 Nov 2023 22:53:01
Appreciate that ed002 thanks.
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30 Oct 2023 13:02:46
I've no issue with eth calling out the players when required.
I have an issue with eth not being humble enough to call out his own errors.
Trying to play out from back yesterday with a lb with absolutely no left foot was a dumb error. We got penned in on that side or lost possession on 16 different occasions.
Leaving rashford and Bruno on was daft.
Be a man and admit when it was wrong.
If you are going to call out players be man enough to take the blame when it's wrong.
Making Bruno club captain when he epitomises everything that is wrong with the modern player is an error he needs to fix also.
Admit a mistake fix it and move on. Yes it will cause unrest but you can't make an pompey without breaking a few eggs.
1.) 30 Oct 2023 13:53:25
Time and a place I think. I don't think he needs to come out and say he has made a mistake. Call attention to that while the media are out for blood would be akin to waving the white flag. They would go in on him and ultimately make his position untenable.
I don't for one second believe he is unaware of mistakes he has made, as long as he is aware and what he cand and cannot do to address that then I'm fine with it.
2.) 30 Oct 2023 14:04:50
Shappy you can't have double standards. He needs to command respect. You earn that. I know you never admit when your wrong and that is a trait that means nobody can believe a word you say if you are not man enough to admit a falling or mistake. That will earn respect. He should not give a toys what the press say. Coming out and saying we played well is losing him respect.
Be a man and treat yourself the way you treat others.
It's not showing weakness its showing that you are a big boy and can take accountability and responsibility for errors made. That's what what earns you respect.
3.) 30 Oct 2023 15:45:19
We did quite well first half Tumble.
Are people really surprised? Would any player from man utd squad get into man city match day squad? Into their first team?
I here people all the time saying I don't mind losing, but I want more from the team.
Well that is exactly what losing to city looks like. The had their best player back - Rodri - and Haaland back in form after scoring midweek.
We actually had an even first half with them and a soft VAR pen was the only difference. But city are the best team in the world right now, and they can make anyone look average when they play like that. The are even missing KDB and they can do that.
We have Evan's, McGuire, lindelof and Dalot as our back 4, as well as Casemiro out. I am shocked that people are surprised ag what happened. Eth is not a flipping magician! What do you think he can do?
4.) 30 Oct 2023 16:12:23
You don't set up a team to play the ball to a lb with no left foot.
I was not at all surprised by the result or performance. But the subs were odd and as you say why radically change the set up at half time. They were his mistakes. We didn't play well we coped quite well in the 1st half.
5.) 30 Oct 2023 16:43:32
Evans instead of Varane was a mistake.
Lindelof playing left back instead of Reguilon who is an actual left full back was a mistake.
Taking Amrabat off at half time was a mistake.
Taking off our main goal threat Hoijland was a mistake.
Just to name but a few.
Dreadful by ETH and to stand there after the match and say "the spirit is good and we are on our way up" is just laughable.
Don't try and mug the fans off.
6.) 30 Oct 2023 18:31:07
Biggest mistake is ETH.
7.) 30 Oct 2023 19:21:59
Tumbleweed, I openly admit when I'm wrong I don't know where you get that from. I'll defend my opinion, which is normally drawn from more than just a feeling or a small snippet of information. When presented with new information I regularly assimilate that into what I already know and draw fresh conclusions. Thus my opinion changes.
I suppose the issue you might be struggling with is whose respect EtH wants, needs or values.
Just because he doesn't come out and say to the world's media that he was wrong that doesn't mean he doesn't have that conversation behind closed doors with the coaching staff and the even the players.
In fact we know for a fact that after the first two games of last season he made the players run the distance that Brentford out run us by in the previous game. He himself ran it with the players and the coaching staff as he said they are all together as one team and he is a part of that failure as much as the players.
So he has shown fallibility to the players behind closed doors. How often or in what ways we probably won't ever know, but we don't have to.
From everything I have seen from his time at the club he has commanded respect pretty well. He has handled the Greenwood situation has has inherited well without alienating anyone. He handled Ronaldo throwing his toys out the pram fantastically well. he handled Sancho with tact last season and with strength this season. He has also handled the removal of Maguire as captain with aplomb as well. Any one of those situations would have likely derailed previous managers, in fact we have seen several previous managers be derailed by much less.
That to me suggests that command respect and setting standards is not a problem under EtH, that seems like a first for a Manchester United manager since Sir Alex Ferguson.
Moyes never had it, LvG demanded it which turned the players against him, Jose got personal which created a toxic atmosphere and lost him control, Ole pandered, got support for a while but the players turned the moment things got tough.
I don't think EtH has displayed double standards. He has said players haven't managed to do what he wants for the whole 90 minutes. You'd imagine if they did then we'd have got the result. Or at least that will be the belief of the manager. Its also vital that the manager believes in himself and his tactics. He doesn't tend to single out individuals in press conferences and he certainly doesn't lay blame at an individuals feet. He might say a player can do better, but always follows that up with that its a team and we win and lose as a team.
So seeing that he hasn't thrown a single player under the bus i don't see the need for him to throw himself under.
8.) 30 Oct 2023 20:48:32
Shamrock, you are just one of those sad individuals who turns up when the chips are down to stick the boot in and say "I told you so". Unfortunately as you didn't have an account when we hired EtH your opinion on the I told you so carries absolutely no weight as you can't prove you ever did tell anyone.
There's a name for individuals who only post negative stuff over and over again, I can't quite remember the name, but it has something to do with bridges and living under them.
27 Oct 2023 08:22:29
Tumbleweed has written an article entitled, Manchester United Shouldn't Contemplate Changing The Manager
1.) 27 Oct 2023 11:17:06
Good post Tumble - I fully agree, I have absolutely no appetite to see another manager lose their job but I do want to see some progress in the style of football.
I want to see an attacking identity and a plan to get Hojlund more service. I think Rashford and Antony have been indulged too long and I’d like to see some variation to their game. I think the same can be said about Bruno. He concedes possession far too regularly.
My concern is Bruno is captain, Rashford has just been awarded a bumper new contract and EtH spent £80m on Antony. Where is this evolution coming from when realistically they are all first choice players not likely to leave the Club anytime soon and they keep doing the same things.
If you add Onana, Martinez, Shaw, Dalot, AWB, Mount, Amrabat and even Casemiro, only in the second year of a 4 year contract, on massive wages and no prospect of any sell on value I do worry how the style can evolve. When people say EtH doesn’t have the players who are they actually referring to?
If you factor in the news the Glazers are now staying for the foreseeable future I’m genuinely concerned what the next few years look like.
2.) 27 Oct 2023 15:49:30
Dlib. What style of football was fergie playing after 16 months? Or klopp or arteta?
Did united in 87 look the same and play the same as they did in 91 / 92.
3.) 27 Oct 2023 16:26:20
Nice post Tumbleweed. I am with you on the hopeful side. I think he is being pragmatic and keeping us in the conversation both in terms of the league top 4 finish and getting to the next stage of CL. Many pundits and a section of our fans have already written us off, we shall see at the end of the season where we are.
I don't think for a minute this is the type of football he wants but using what he has at his disposal atm to grind out ugly results.
Its a 38 game season and we are only 9 games in.
4.) 27 Oct 2023 17:00:00
Tumble - I take your point but football has changed massively since the 80’s. Utd predominantly played 4-4-2 with wingers, the identity was there it was just a case of assembling better players.
Klopp established an identity pretty quickly if I remember correctly. Whilst I’m no expert on Liverpool, so maybe Ed001 could help me out, but it was high octane, counter pressing type stuff which tended to see Liverpool often run out of steam in the early days but the intention was there! I don’t remember Liverpool playing just to survive and get results in the early days of Klopp but I could be mistaken.
No point in me banging on, let’s see what happens.
{Ed001's Note - you are correct DLIB, Klopp's famous 'heavy metal football' style was in evidence very early. Though they did badly struggle for fitness after Rodgers, who had them barely fit enough to play at normal pace!}
5.) 27 Oct 2023 18:26:51
Ahmed, we are 47 games in :p
Not once have I got off my sofa in excitement and hugged my good luck signed Jesper Olsen 7x5 print that hangs above the TV.
6.) 27 Oct 2023 18:50:55
Good post tumblr. I would even go a step further. The fans should support the manager strongly while he builds his squad. We know that it will cause unrest. We need to give the club, the player the recognition that EtH is our guy for the foreseeable, so stop resisting and moaning and leaking, and start working and grafting.
Wan Bissaka showed everyone you can be out of favour and earn your way back in through hard work and performance. That is the path. Get in board, or step aside.
7.) 28 Oct 2023 10:44:35
Yes AWB got better, but he still nowhere near what’s needed from a modern day fullback, even ETH prefers Dalot that’s plain to see, he only played AWB towards end of last season because Dalot never really got back to his best from injury.
If both were fully fit ETH picks Dalot everytime. Not saying he is good enough either but least he attempts to try and cross a ball.
8.) 28 Oct 2023 11:35:45
Shamrock
If Dalot attempts to cross a ball he will likely get dropped for tactical reasons.
As a general point, yes I agree the manager must stay. I do believe we need to see a better structure and plan, I may go on about crossing, yet inverted wide players and a distinct lack of goals, both last season and definitely this, is very concerning.
9.) 28 Oct 2023 12:26:18
What I’m saying RedMan is after 18 months we should be seeing something and injuries or not if a style is in place replacements just fit into that style ok quality drops of maybe, but still same style.
What worries me is this is the style that ETH wants, because he said only yesterday we played well last two games in majority and we pressed well too and we are not that far away from City level was his words!
I honestly don’t think his buys/ loans since he been here have been very good at all and I certainly would not give him another few hundred million to spend that’s for sure.
One of his better loans if you look at them all was Sabitzer and he did not want to keep him for 20m preferred Mount for 60m and Arambat loan are either any better then Sabitzer, I would question if Arambat is even better then Fred, surely Fred could have been coached to do what Arambat can do, after all Arambat would get nowhere near Brazil squad yet Fred does.
A decent buy was Rasmus but considering he cost virtually nothing 12 months earlier and considering we don’t play to his strengths and the pressure you heaped on a 20 year old I would say that’s not a great buy either.
Along with poor man management skills that’s my problem with ETH
Poor buys/ loans
Poor coaching
Poor in game management
Poor Man management
Small club mentality.
10.) 29 Oct 2023 06:34:26
Shamrock
I think we are seeing a style with inverted wide players but can’t score goals. I have openly questioned a few things, one of which was buying players ETH had a connection with. I find it hard to understand how Mount was the big buy, given the 7, then discarded for not playing well, whilst Bruno and Rashford have been terrible. Mejbri and Garnacho not selected when midfield lacked legs and Rashford looking disinterested.
25 Oct 2023 13:25:10
City next Sunday should be interesting.
They are not at their swashbuckling best at the moment.
In case anybody hasn't noticed neither are we.
What team eth will put out is anybodies guess but whoever takes the field will need to put in a real shift.
1.) 25 Oct 2023 14:15:49
Tumbleweed…. we should thank our lucky stars they are not at there best, otherwise could be an embarrassment
If we play this usual slow slow football they will just pick us off at will.
If we continue to never cross the ball we won’t even score
Would anybody be surprised if only change from last night is Cas comes in for McT….
2.) 25 Oct 2023 19:48:18
Is Rodri back for that game? Basically it's been his suspension that has caused City's drop off in form. Once he's back they will be back to steamrolling teams.
3.) 25 Oct 2023 22:05:36
He is back and played well tonight. He is their most important player and the glue that holds things together. Will eat Bruno for lunch given Bruno's current form. Should be tight game and hopefully we are not wasteful with our chances.
4.) 26 Oct 2023 08:49:31
I imagine we'll adopt the smash and grab approach lol, which has worked on occasion. But not many teams can soak up City pressure for long.
21 Oct 2023 16:17:04
Rip Sir Bobby.
19 Oct 2023 08:15:04
Ed033 can we have a poll please.
If SJR buys 25% are you more hopeful and optimistic for the future than you are with full glazer ownership?
{Ed033's Note -
Man Utd ownership poll
1.) 19 Oct 2023 09:29:00
I can't answer NO to both. I'm not optimistic with ANY Glazer involvement.
2.) 19 Oct 2023 10:02:49
A couple of maniacs voting full glazer ownership there lol.
3.) 19 Oct 2023 12:05:00
Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results.
4.) 19 Oct 2023 12:10:10
Yeah, those maniacs are called Joel and Avram.
5.) 19 Oct 2023 13:21:30
Can’t vote in that it isn’t a good poll. There should be an option for if there was 100% Qatar ownership.
Hey Tumbleweed how is your maths now? 69% shares but 96% voting control. Wonder if you have any thoughts now?
6.) 19 Oct 2023 14:03:25
You can live in the if world but why vote on something that's not happening.
Close your eyes and make a wish redman??.
7.) 19 Oct 2023 14:11:37
You ask only a slanted hypothetical question to get the answer you want
How is your maths? I am waiting on your calculations on ownership, given the numbers you tried to impose may not actually be accurate.
8.) 19 Oct 2023 19:47:34
Ownership redman is still up in the air. If glasses sell 25% of their shares they will own approx 44% none of them will have a bigger individual share than sjr.
9.) 19 Oct 2023 20:25:14
I didn't ask a alkane question redman. I asked admit the things that are going to happen. You don't like it but that's the way it will be.
We have no other choice so weekday should the poll be.
All want them to sell up completely but they don't want to just now. I don't blame them. Why would they?
10.) 19 Oct 2023 20:34:44
Tumbleweed
Ah, so not 25% of the 96% voting shares then. I expect the end structure to be complex, not the simple numbers you relate to. You may have one thing right, I think there are 6 Glazers so individually they may not have more than 25%, but combined, I expect them to retain control. We shall see.
11.) 19 Oct 2023 21:58:18
Exactly we shall see. There is so many unknowns.
Some of the unknowns will be none of our business. There is lots you want to know but your not entitled to know.
The stuff that they want to share they will.
I'm hoping that sjr has control of the football side of the business and puts in a sustainable structure with subject matter experts in the right roles. That for me is the starting point. He has experience in this. He will have learned from mistakes made.
It's none of your or anybody elses business (excluding need to know) how he has released funds to pay for his shares. There is no debt on the club.
Nobody else met glazers valuation. You can't force them to sell.
This is the best deal in town. You either want full glazer ownership or full sale. We all would prefer a full sale. But nobody is meeting the price so getting somebody in at 25% that hopefully can sort out the football side of the business is a good thing.
You just don't like that the glazers have made loads of money. It is what it is. They are very shrewd.
Look at the positives for a change you really are the most negative manchestet united supporter I have ever come across and given the last few years that's saying something. Your like the Victor meldrew of supporters ?
Nobody thinks this is ideal but the alternative is worse.
To suggest sjr does not understand the fans or respect the club is nonsense. He just doesn't agree with you. But he agrees with the vast majority in here and I suspect worldwide that having him in there at 25% is better than leaving them there on their own.
If you can't see that or are not prepared to give the guy a chance I'd suggest it's irrational and emotional. Your just not happy because you are not getting what you want.
Give him a chance look at the positives and release some of the bitterness I genuinely think it would change your negative demeanor towards all things united if you do.
12.) 20 Oct 2023 06:53:01
Tumbleweed
You accept second or worse best, I don’t accept we just have to lie back and think of England, this is a generational opportunity and it appears a few, like yourself will just roll over and wait to be tickled. We need to be sold 100%, we cannot leave the leeches in control after what they have done. If Ratcliffe had shown he had the money, gone for 100% and got it, then yes he deserves a chance, but this cobbled together bid that keeps the leeches in control is not even second best and the opposition fans are loving it.
15 Nov 2023 22:53:01
Appreciate that ed002 thanks.
10 Nov 2023 14:13:52
Fantastic news. The majority will be delighted.
Not the result we all wished for but it's the best we can hope for at the moment.
Super.
14 Oct 2023 10:57:19
Totally unacceptable ?? to who?
I'm sure if you tell them you won't accept it redman and that it's simply not on that they will abandon the idea.
Totally unacceptable you make me laugh ???
It's the glazers club they will decide what is acceptable to them what you think is totally irrelevant your just a customer and a moaning one at that.
I hope they sell up and leave but it's in their hands to decide what's acceptable. Know your place. Your not in any sort of position to determine what is acceptable. If you want to discontinue your custom and support that's up to you if you don't like the owners decisions. You'll never be happy either way.
29 Nov 2023 11:41:58
Who makes a deliberate handball in the box?
27 Nov 2023 09:59:56
Yeah don't send bank Robbers to jail because it is not fair on their kids.
I seen it all now?.
26 Nov 2023 15:06:02
Hope things go well Ahmad.
25 Nov 2023 21:24:23
Not full of your a city fan or arsenal or even Brighton who are at an all time sustained high.
I agree that the game is changed players are not in touch with the fans.
Refs have been destroyed by var and tv.
The games are not that dull excluding our own of course but I can't watch any of the pre or post game nonsense.
17 Nov 2023 18:52:01
But ralph has never done it at a big club. He obviously had some good ideas but no track record at a top club. Perhaps he was not good at communicating and even if that's not the case he was communicating to non subject matter experts.
I think all the coulda woulda shoulda hindsight talk is daft. It's gone.
There are lots of mistakes over the last 10 years we all know that.
Nobody is the site police apart from the eds.
You make lots of negative comments over 85% of your posts are negative probably a good deal higher than that actually. You have a problem with replies to those. If your constantly negative expect people to counter that.
Nobody has ever said anything to you that you have not said or written about the owners. So live by the sword and all that. Nobody here knows you any better than you know the glazers so it's no more personal.
It's not a matter of site police its a matter of people countering your negativity and negative posts.
Keep it coming positive people will always try to be positive. You like wallowing in the problems I like looking forward in hope for realistic solutions.
Your disdain for the owners is clearly tainting your outlook on every aspect of the club.
Nobody trying to control anything but if you post the way you do then expect to be countered on it. The negativity that pours out of nearly every single post you make is frustrating to read imo. So every time it's there I'll try to counter it with some positivity or to expose the holes in the negative comment.
We all make negative comments from time to time that's healthy imo but most don't do it nearly all the time.
Nobody is stopping you do it but some give you a hard time because of it.