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02 Oct 2021 08:56:18
Morning Ed002, hope you’re well and still finding time to rodeo and adventure to your hearts content.

If you do get a minute though, would you mind providing any confirmation that, according to media reports, United are interested in Franck Kessie next January or Summer, and any further info if you are able to share it.

Many thanks as always.

Wallace

{Ed002's Note - Franck Kessié (CM) Efforts are being made to secure a new contract, but the issue is over the wages continues with Milan struggling. Could potentially be sold but I expect agreement to be reached eventually else there will be a lot of interest with Juventus looking to meet his demands. Interest of Mr Mourinho at Spurs and now Roma remains. Spurs also want him as an Ndombele replacement but the player remains keen to move to Chelsea to eventually replace Kante - but Chelsea turned down the offer from his agent initially although a proposal is on the table that would suit both clubs and the player. His agent has also approached Manchester United and PSG but both sides would need to move a player on in order to add Kessie - but both are interested. His agent has also spoken with Liverpool and Leicester who may be interested in agreeing a pre-contract in January but both have preferred targets.}


1.) 02 Oct 2021 11:26:29
Thank you so much for the swift and detailed reply - your precious time is very much appreciated!

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


2.) 02 Oct 2021 16:09:31
Any player mooted as a potential Kante replacement should be of interest to any top side.


3.) 03 Oct 2021 00:33:53
Hopefully Everton come back in for DVB and be willing to pay all of his wages. That will free up the room for Kessie. He is exactly what's needed. His performance against us in the Europa League semis was fantastic.

{Ed0666's Note - yeh but can he do it on a cold Tuesday night against Liverpool at Anfield. Oh wait.


4.) 03 Oct 2021 06:37:56
Brilliant ED0666.

{Ed0666's Note - Why thankyou Hatter! Enjoy the game today mate I’m bricking it.


5.) 05 Oct 2021 13:33:39
Hopefully Everton buy DVB not loan him.


 

 

05 Jul 2021 07:28:34
Twitter, that ever reliable source, going wild with rumours about Camavinga today: United apparently in talks and fee of £30m mooted!

Yep, if it sounds too good to be true, it normally is. Plus can imagine PSG, Bayern, Real etc would be very interested also,

But if remotely true, shows what an effective DoF can do - and all the opportunities missed in the past because of the clunky and beurocratic one at a time system.

Wallace

1.) 05 Jul 2021 07:54:07
It's all coming from one source though, Fabrizio Romano, who is quite often on the ball when it comes to deals. Did mention that PSG are interested, but it sounds like United are in advanced talks with a fee more or less set as Rennes want to cash in before he becomes a free agent.


2.) 05 Jul 2021 08:11:38
Hi Ed002,
Will Camavinga be a Pogba/ Van De Beek replacement or for Matic?

{Ed002's Note - He would be a cross between NM and PP.}


3.) 05 Jul 2021 08:36:47
The question though would be if he would get any game time under Ole. And whether the player would be happy having a limited role in the first team?

Would Ole trust an 18yr old in his midfield?


4.) 05 Jul 2021 09:29:18
Ed, are the club now making a serious attempt to sign the player?

{Ed002's Note - There is plenty of interest in him.}


5.) 05 Jul 2021 09:41:28
Good signing if it happens, PSG would be a threat though if they made a move for him.


6.) 05 Jul 2021 09:44:23
Thanks Ed. Sounds like Pogba is heading off….

{Ed002's Note - To where?}


7.) 05 Jul 2021 09:58:35
Pogba to PSG?


8.) 05 Jul 2021 10:03:39
Maybe Donny is off, Pogba stays, Bruno, Pogba, Camavinga midfield 3.


9.) 05 Jul 2021 10:09:23
Pogba to PSG is unlikely as he's stared several times he'd be unwilling to move there out of respect for his father who was a Marseille supporter.


10.) 05 Jul 2021 10:11:31
Rennes like many French clubs have been hit hard financially by the circumstances of the past 18 months.

While Camavinga in January would be free to sign a pre-contract with a club outside of France.

They are up against the wall so to speak, they can't afford to lose him for nothing as he's probably their biggest playing asset. But they can't demand the sort of fee he would normally command under different circumstances.

Apparently he would rather remain in France for another couple of years, which personally I think would be best for him. He's young and he needs to be playing 90 minutes of top level football every week to continue to develop.

We have seen a few youngsters move to massive club's a little too early in their careers only do see their development stall as they don't get enough football.

I'd imagine he would need some convincing to join us at this stage in his career.

As for what sort of player is he, well he's everything you'd want Fred to be. A hard working but technically gifted player who is as comfortable playing accurate 50 yard passes as he is sticking his foot in. Good in possession and aggressive out of it.


11.) 05 Jul 2021 10:26:45
Still think it very unlikely we sign Camavinga but I'd be delighted. He's Pogba with a bit of discipline in his game who doesn't need everyone else to do cover his faults.

I'd guess it'd spell the end for Donny if he signed though.


12.) 05 Jul 2021 11:36:51
If this is true and we do, however unlikely, sign Camavinga, it would be a clever move by United:

If Pogba is intent on seeing out his contract and getting him and Mino a huge signing on fee, (most likely I think) then Pogba can be Camavinga mentor for a year to ease him into the first team, where he will then replace Pogba.

Also sends a message to Mini that they will not be held hostage to his demands and sorting Pogba out at last minute as they will have signed his replacement - stay if you want Pogba, situation sorted either way.

United might also be using the prospect of Varane to tempt him also.


13.) 05 Jul 2021 11:52:15
I have a feeling Pogba will be leaving from free next year.


14.) 05 Jul 2021 14:42:23
I bet Camavinga can't wait to be mentored by Pogba on on how to perform silly TikTok dances. How do do silly arm and hand celebrations. What hair colours / styles to have during the season.


15.) 05 Jul 2021 14:56:13
The question should be, is he someone Ole wants or someone the club wants?

No point in buying the kid if our manager has no interest in playing him.


16.) 05 Jul 2021 17:20:50
Well. That went 0 to 100 very quickly😏.


17.) 05 Jul 2021 17:38:49
So Camavinga is more a replacement for Fred and Pogba would move to the left instead of Rashford.


18.) 05 Jul 2021 18:03:31
Maybe Camavinga should follow the route of Dortmund?


19.) 05 Jul 2021 18:44:05
Ed002in regards to pogba

Psg Ed? The highest profile french player possible?

{Ed002's Note - Paul Pogba (CM) offered to Barcelona - may be available as a Free Agent in 2022 - Manchester United have wrecked the relationship with his agent. I doubt that the club would meet any demands which Mino Raiola would want to agree a new contract. They have extended his contract to 2022 and will need to strike a deal with Mino over any sale this summer (I am sure he would be open to taking, say, half of the sale fee) and hope a buyer can be found - this will need to be through a third party. PSG are in discussions to add two MF players but know that at least one of their targets is heading elsewhere. I don't think paying a significant fee for the hostage is part of their plans right now but if something can be done at a reasonable price they do provide an option - don't lose sight of them as a new employer as they are likely the most realistic option - even if they wait until 2022 and take him as a Free Agent. Real Madrid have a preferred target although Zidane would have liked Pogba. Pogba has made it clear he really wants Real Madrid to be his next destination but again the relationship between some in Madrid and Mino is not great. Juventus have other priorities in CM but there have been general talks and he might be a realistic option at the right price - but Juventus would look to including a player in the deal (Federico Bernardeschi) which would be great but he is also represented by Mino who the amateurs don't want to deal with. Juventus have a significant financial advantage due to tax laws in Italy and others departing but are planning on others and won't want to put the funds up for Pogba but at the right price could be tempted. Regardless, Juventus have other targets who would be way ahead of him on their list. So they too don't appear to be an option.}


20.) 05 Jul 2021 18:44:05
Ed002in regards to pogba

Psg Ed? The highest profile french player possible?

{Ed002's Note - Paul Pogba (CM) offered to Barcelona - may be available as a Free Agent in 2022 - Manchester United have wrecked the relationship with his agent. I doubt that the club would meet any demands which Mino Raiola would want to agree a new contract. They have extended his contract to 2022 and will need to strike a deal with Mino over any sale this summer (I am sure he would be open to taking, say, half of the sale fee) and hope a buyer can be found - this will need to be through a third party. PSG are in discussions to add two MF players but know that at least one of their targets is heading elsewhere. I don't think paying a significant fee for the hostage is part of their plans right now but if something can be done at a reasonable price they do provide an option - don't lose sight of them as a new employer as they are likely the most realistic option - even if they wait until 2022 and take him as a Free Agent. Real Madrid have a preferred target although Zidane would have liked Pogba. Pogba has made it clear he really wants Real Madrid to be his next destination but again the relationship between some in Madrid and Mino is not great. Juventus have other priorities in CM but there have been general talks and he might be a realistic option at the right price - but Juventus would look to including a player in the deal (Federico Bernardeschi) which would be great but he is also represented by Mino who the amateurs don't want to deal with. Juventus have a significant financial advantage due to tax laws in Italy and others departing but are planning on others and won't want to put the funds up for Pogba but at the right price could be tempted. Regardless, Juventus have other targets who would be way ahead of him on their list. So they too don't appear to be an option.}


21.) 05 Jul 2021 19:50:20
Cheers Ed. I hope we are sensible with price (my guess €50m? ) as its best for both parties if he moves on. We also have Van De Beek, and it might leave us less competition for, the player this thread was about, camavinga who would both cover his loss.


22.) 05 Jul 2021 21:02:32
Hostage 😂.


23.) 05 Jul 2021 21:56:58
If you were Pogba and wanted to play abroad and knew that next year could do so via a free transfer to a top club and pocket a huge signing fee plus huge wages would you not do so?

He is typical of most modern day footballers who want to play, win things, have a nice lifestyle and maximise their earnings in a short career which is always only one bad injury from being finished.

Allegiance to one club is rare and will increasingly be so. As long as whoever plays gives their all for the team when on the pitch and are not criminals or idiots off it then its something I have to accept.

The other thing to note is the lack of really charismatic managers in Europe not just England. I am talking about managers who make a player want to come to their club and play their hearts out. Apart from Klopp and Pep in our leagues who else is really like that. Abroad maybe Conte and Simeone but that's all. In Scotland Gerrard is that type of manager and in time looks likely to be so at Liverpool.

Such managers make a big difference. With due respect to Ole he is no managerial heavyweight so again it is no surprise he cannot inspire a player like Pogba to stay and sign a long term contract.


24.) 05 Jul 2021 23:19:07
Pogba stays for his final year then goes on a free. Can’t see anyone bidding for him at any amount we’d be happy with given we can’t profiteer from the extended year and would have to share a big chunk with Raiola / Pogba. And they can get a juicy signing on fee regardless next summer.

Van de Beek the interesting one for me. Clearly he looks outward bound too but suspect he was bought when we expected Pogba to go and Sancho to join last season.

Suspect Pogba stays, VDB goes and then turns into a worldie for someone else!


25.) 08 Jul 2021 17:29:56
You could make quite a team from players who contracts expire in 2022. Mbappe, Pogba, Varane, Goretzka, Camavinga, Ronaldo, Dybala.
To me that looks like a Madrid team in waiting and all for no transfer fee.


 

 

04 Jul 2021 09:16:56
Looks like Mutough and Fletcher having a blinding window:

(RUMOURS obviously - will leave facts to the wonderful Ed002)

Sancho hopefully done

Varane really wanted

Dan James to Brighton
Donny to Real Madrid (loan or buy)
Bailey to Villareal
Lingard to West Ham
Martial for sale
Pogba to PSG or Juventus

Hopefully free up funds for Trippier and Camavinga

Loans for Garner, Amad, Pelliatr, Shoretire, Elanga and Mengi.

Wallace

1.) 04 Jul 2021 09:32:58
Since they were appointed I have always wondered what exactly the roles of Murtagh and Fletcher are and who is responsible for what. I have an idea of what they do in my head but truthfully it's difficult to whine about them when I am not really sure who does what!


2.) 04 Jul 2021 09:25:05
Wallace,

ED002 has said Camavinga won't be joining Utd.


3.) 04 Jul 2021 10:12:25
Can see Varane and Trippier coming in, can't see a CM unless significant sales are made.


4.) 04 Jul 2021 13:30:53
We will see if PSG will acquire both Pogba and Camavinga if that's the case.


5.) 04 Jul 2021 13:42:45
What’s the point in signing trippier? We have AWB and trippier will want to be starting most games. Makes 0 sense to me.


6.) 04 Jul 2021 16:12:39
Whiskey,

Because exactly that, we only have AWB, why do city have Walker and cancelo? Because they have a lot of games.


7.) 04 Jul 2021 16:58:09
Cancelo covers left back, Kyle walkers played CB. Hence why they can manage the two of them. I see no reason to sign a starting level right back. We have far more pressing issues. CB and DM. A second right back when we still have dalot and Williams on the books is just a waste of money. And even moreso the rumours that atletico want 30-40 million for Trippier. That sort of money could be reinvested in positions we actually need.


8.) 04 Jul 2021 20:04:29
All the rumours and moves look good on face value but I will reserve judgement until the window is closed.

Judging them on who they can move on will be a key measure for me.

Sancho and Varane would be an A grade window on incomings.


9.) 05 Jul 2021 06:26:59
Romano has just posted about negotiations progressing for Camavinga with a €30 price tag.


10.) 05 Jul 2021 08:40:42
Telles needs a partner on the bench and Trippier makes sense.


11.) 05 Jul 2021 16:24:01
Whiskey,

We need 2 full teams to be able to compete, that’s what city have and if we want to do well in all competitions we need players who can cover all over the pitch.

Nobody was complaining when we had 4 strikers in 99, in fact it’s the main reason we managed to do so well managing the game time, AWB can’t play every game and competition in the squad is perfect.

{Ed014's Note - it makes perfect sense to upgrade both your starting and 2nd 11. Albeit you want the 2nd 11 to be constantly pushing for a first team spot.

In essence you don’t want a huge drop off in quality between the two. Liverpool paid that price last season.


12.) 06 Jul 2021 11:11:26
Totally agree Ed14

Whiskey mentioned we have Dalot and Williams on the books but I am guessing neither of them will be at the club this season, definitely not if we signed a right back to challenge AWB.

{Ed014's Note - Trippier would be a great backup for AWB for me. That is a definitive improvement.


 

 

20 May 2021 17:04:53
Hi Ed002 if you’re not too busy, a few reports are surfacing that Mourinho/ Roma interested in buying Matic.

Scurrilous click-bait or do they have foundation?

(Also, if he does go, will this bring forward United’s search for a DM? )

Thanks for any answer.

Wallace

{Ed002's Note - Nemanja Matic (DM) Jose Mourinho would like to take him to Rome with him but he will not be first choice - although the first choice is not looking to be attainable - and there may be some reliance on the sale of Amadou Diawara and Manchester United, who gave him a new contract, being willing to sell him at a reasonable price. If he leaves Manchester United would look to replace him as they don't plan for the careers of players like James Garner.}


1.) 20 May 2021 22:18:33
Any chance of a sharkopod any time soon Ed?

{Ed002's Note - It won’t be like that this year - Sparky is working on the music and there will be a few hints about transfers interspersed. In the coming weeks.}


2.) 20 May 2021 22:22:53
Thank you so much for the detailed information Ed002.

Really disappointed to hear Garner not in United thoughts for the future. Given his promising appearances at Forest, you’d think they’d at least give him a pre-season to see iif he can be used next season.

Or at least would’ve hoped they could find a short term solution for another year to give him another season to get ready for the first team.

Very disappointed - thought Solskar compared him to Carrick.


3.) 21 May 2021 08:00:17
Wallace,

The club appears to prefer to spend vast amounts of money on players with bug names rather than give a youngster a chance.

I think Garner would do well at the club. It is understandable why a few youngsters have refused to sign new contracts and leave. I think with Mata likely leaving and if Matic could be sold, then Garner would deserve a shot at first team football.

However, as ED002 has often said. Utd currently don't plan a path through for the first team for a lot of youngsters.


4.) 21 May 2021 09:20:44
Garner looks a great prospect and has really kicked on since his move to Forest.

What that highlights for me is just how important regular game time is for the development is young players at that age.

Personally I think Garner needs one more season out on loan, playing every week and developing quickly. The key is that he must play every week.

Coming back to United or even going on loan somewhere else where he'll play once or twice a month is pointless and would actually stall his progression.

We saw this with Gomes, hugely talented but just didn't play enough games and sadly looks like he won't fulfil his early potential.

I think coming back for pre-season with us would be good, get to see how he has progressed and get a closer look at him. Then probably send him back out to Forest for next season.

If it was me I'd loan Garner out next season, move Matic on and bring in someone like Rice. A true holding midfielder who can carry the defensive burden. Then in the summer of 2022 I'd move on Fred and replace him in the squad with Garner.


5.) 21 May 2021 11:34:12
Sounds far too sensible Shappy.


6.) 21 May 2021 13:04:49
It's a shame Fulham went down. They try and play football and that would be a good loan for Garner to get Premier League experience too. Think Premier League is where he needs a loan to next, not sure what club would offer him that good experience and play in a way that would support his development. Maybe Norwich? Don't know much about them this season? Brighton potentially but would they risk a youngster to play regularly?


7.) 21 May 2021 13:09:49
A loan to Brighton would be good. Graham Potter has Beighton playing some good football.

I also agree that it would be pointless for Garner to come back and play once a month, where his development would stagnate.

Williams should have been loaned in January and certainly needs a loan move this summer.


8.) 21 May 2021 14:36:16
A loan to either Fulham or Brighton for me would need to have a clause about playing time.

My concern would be that a club either fighting relegation or for promotion are less likely to place that trust in a young player. Especially one they don't have any investment or stake in.

Think of it from Potters view. He could play Garner most weeks for Brighton, but if they get relegated then what have they gained? They are in the championship and United have a player who has developed.

It only makes sense to loan him out to a club like Brighton if he is clearly better than the players they have and will start most weeks. If they hold on to Bissouma then that definitely won't be the case.


9.) 21 May 2021 14:57:09
I think the kid Caicedo that they signed has been brought in to be the replacement for Bissouma anyway.


10.) 21 May 2021 17:18:38
I think a loan to Brighton would be good for Garner, to fill the void left by Yves Bissouma coming to Manchester United.


11.) 22 May 2021 11:20:00
Think he should go to Norwich, and Gomes did not do too bad this past season. 30 appearances, 6 goals and 6 assists. Will be good to see how he progresses next season.


 

 

01 Apr 2020 15:05:14
Hi Ed002,

Hope you’re staying well and using your Gentleman Adventurer skulls to keep yourself busy during lockdown.

A few days ago, you kindly replied to my post about Juventus offering players in any Pogba deal. Media outlets of various repute are speculating that De Light might be used in a deal to take Pogba to Juventus. Would Juventus be prepared to include MDlL in any deal and would he actually want to leave and come to United?

Thanks again

Wallace.

Wallace

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any offer of MdL to Manchester United by Juventus. He has had a difficult start but has been growing in to his role at Juventus and I am not sure that he would be open to what would be a significant step down for him.}


1.) 01 Apr 2020 15:23:26
Wow, that was such a quick reply, thank you!

Bitter pill to swallow about being a step down at the moment but hopefully won’t take us long to remedy that.

Thanks for all info, gratefully received!

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


2.) 01 Apr 2020 16:30:16
Its not really a step down though is it Manchester united will always be a bigger team than Juventus. Sure they're winning the league every year but haven't done it in europe for a number of years. I'm sure with the team we seem to be building United will be back in the champions league and competing for the top honours.


3.) 01 Apr 2020 18:51:11
In footballing terms man utd is a step down. they are not close to competing with solskjaer and won't for years to come under current leadership. Juventus took over Utd a while ago, and they are 1 of the few legendary european sides with utd so even if utd were at the top it would always be a sideways move rather than up to utd.


4.) 01 Apr 2020 22:02:54
How young are you?


5.) 02 Apr 2020 05:08:28
How does being young or old have anything to do with this?

De Ligt plays for a team that is challenging for titles in italy and europe, even if you are optimistic utd are atleast 2-3 years away from challenging for epl and then will need further investment to challenge for CL alongside the league.

For any player going from city, Juventus, Barcelona, madrid and psg to utd will be a step down. That's the reality of things, accept it don't be like liverpool fans going on and on about historical greatness of the club, that means zilch to a player, he isn't going to be playing for fergie's utd.


6.) 02 Apr 2020 22:50:05
Nelly when asking somebody something it would be best to add their name.


7.) 03 Apr 2020 14:52:37
I was referring to you danjames as I'm at an age where it doesn't matter what we do on the football pitch. It's the club and what it represents to me and that means no club is bigger or better than Manchester United. Also I'm of the opinion we've turned a corner and are now heading in the right direction.

Ole may or may not be the manager to get us actually winning things but as a club I believe we'll be in a better place than with previous managers with a younger and more vibrant team. With our recent signings including ighalo and most notably bruno our play has also improved. Other signings will only improve us further.


8.) 03 Apr 2020 21:55:44
For me Juve have only been bigger than Utd in the mid 80’s. At this moment only just. Yes they’re romping there league every year but come on it’s a Mickey Mouse league. With one of our worst sides in the last 30 years we turned them over at their place.


9.) 05 Apr 2020 10:00:35
At the moment the Ed is correct. Between Busby and SAF United fans kept saying we were relevant, a big club, when we were historically big but inconsequential where it mattered. Liverpool were the same for nearly 30 years. Now we are kidding ourselves again. We are irrelevant where it matters in the league and in Europe. We have a manager that has no one convinced, doesn’t have the know how to challenge or make the club relevant. We wallow in sentiment, dewy eyed about history but not able to look at reality of our situation. We have an amateur set up with the focus on finance not football. We have huge debts and will no doubt see a huge loss of income to service them. At the moment we are not at Juventus‘s level. If the league doesn’t finish and unless there is a major change I can’t see it, there will be a large financial hole and trap awaiting us. Maybe the huge debt we have just became an even bigger problem that might wake some up.

We think because of history that we are as big or bigger than Juventus, folly and emotional tosh. A giant club would not have been so amateur over the last 7 years, it wouldn’t have been so sentimental in its decision making. If we are struggling to attract a Birmingham youth to play for our club and OGS, what gives anyone the idea that MDL, who isn’t involved in the sentimental claptrap, will want to take a step down because that is what it would be until we wake up.


10.) 05 Apr 2020 21:55:48
In the years we have been apparently irrelevant we have won a league cup, f.a. cup and europa league while playing absolute tosh with past it managers. We now have a manager who has Manchester united's best interest at heart and though he may win nothing we were more or less in the quarter finals of the europa league same with the f.a cup.

Ok we may have not won those competitions but progress on the team and playing style is there for all to see. Rome wasn't built in a day. Lampard or arteta are not having the same being said about their lack of experience at the top level.

Pep guardiola has lost about 7 games in the league and lauded as the best their is solskjaer has beaten him 3 times this season. Imagine him with the team he wants in his head with the same drive. green shoots are there for all to see. I'm beginning to believe as I was solskjaer out. Now I'm patient.


 

 

 

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28 Sep 2021 18:24:18
Hi Ed002,

Hope you’re well and Sunni g yourself on a beach far away from a drenched UK!

Just seen your reply on tbe Liverpool page about Bissouma that United have asked about him though nit main target.

But you do tantalisingly say that United have a preferred target to replace Pogba as well as DM targets (guessing one is Rice) .

Don’t suppose you’d be good eniugh to divulge the name of the preferred Pogba replacement please?! (And any other DM targets!

Thanks loads and loads for your time if you feel like replying!

Wallace

{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed - it is as it was pretty much.}


1.) 28 Sep 2021 19:56:21
Thanks Ed002 ☺️☺️.


2.) 28 Sep 2021 23:14:44
I'd take Bissouma in a heartbeat come January.


 

 

11 Aug 2021 08:10:46
Think it’s pretty obvious now that Pogba (or Mino) has chosen to run down his contract and leave as a free agent next Summer, picking up huge signing on fees and collecting bigger wages for player and Agent. Most likely to PSG, given their form (Ramos, Donna, that Liverpool midfielder etc) this year and what is probably an emerging trend with older big players post-C.V.

So, will there be a year of the Pogba media circus with half-arsed efforts on pitch? (Though, when he does try, he’s an amazing player)

Or will Ole not pander to him and let him drag the team down: the collective is far more important than individual talents - look at Liverpool - and not sure how Harlem Globetrotters PSG will function as a team.

I think the best solution here, given the inevitability of losing Pogba for free at the end of the season, is to bring in a young, talented midfielder who can gradually replace Pogba in the team as he loses focus in the second half of the season.

Csmavinga eoukd be perfect - he loves Pogba, so would settle in quickly. He could then take over from Pogba mid-season and restrict him to cameo sub appearances as he gets nearer to leaving.

Don’t know how likely this is. Looks like he wants PSG or Chelsea but I think we should try to get him ASAP or another young talented midfielder like Gravenbach or Barca’s Moriba.

Though guess we need to sell Peruera, Jones and Lingard first.

Wallace

1.) 11 Aug 2021 08:15:58
Pogba is not amazing.

One of the nost overated most hyped up players we have ever had.

Ive seen more consistancy from a 5 year old.

Hooefully we learn from this when he does go on a free.


2.) 11 Aug 2021 08:19:04
If pogba won't sign a new contract do what we did with bastion and leave him train alone and ban him from the squad. Do it now so he forces a sale move or accepts a year off highly paid.


3.) 11 Aug 2021 08:48:13
How the club have allowed things to get to this stage really is beyond me. I just hope a solution can be found soon, though given that he’s being touted around as a free agent for next season, one suspects we’ll be stuck with him for another season of half-arsed performances. This will in turn likely prevent us from signing the central midfielder we so desperately need or lead to Donny being sacrificed only to leave us needing a different kind of midfielder next season.

The Messi transfer could potentially have an impact on us in other ways too, as as well as leaving us lumbered with Pogba, it may well lead to Mbappe signing a contract extension and Real Madrid moving for Haaland a year earlier than planned. To be fair, I didn’t hold much hope that he’d choose us next summer anyway (Bayern or Real seem the most likely destinations at this time), but I’d be surprised if the club doesn’t at least try to sign him if a bidding war breaks out this summer, which will only distract the decision makers from the areas of the squad that so desperately require attention.


4.) 11 Aug 2021 09:08:27
Pogba isn't worth worrying about. He will be a part of our past soon enough.

I can't see why he would choose to move this summer. His options this year are PSG or United. Next summer he'll earn more money and you could maybe add Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus etc as options or even another EPL team. I could see him joining Chelsea for example.

I don't think freezing him out of the squad this season is beneficial. He has repeatedly asked to leave and the club have forced him to stay. He trains well and is a popular member of the squad. He doesn't cause issues, so there is little to be gained by making him an issue.

That said I certainly wouldn't be building the team around him. For me he should be an impact player from the bench or a rotation option for when we are resting players.

It makes little sense to make him a key part of the team when you know he'll be leaving next summer.

Redseven, we were never going to have a chance in hell of signing Haaland so don't worry about it. He is a lad who grew up supporting Leeds and Man City, his dad has strong links to both. His agent isn't on speaking terms with the club (that's the club's decision btw), and he will have his pick of ALL the top clubs in the world next summer. He choose Dortmund over us and his former manager (who he thinks highly of) 18 months ago. That demonstrates that he does not want to join Manchester United.

He is nothing more than a pipe dream.


5.) 11 Aug 2021 09:30:09
He will start the majority of league and champions league games this season fitness permitting.


6.) 11 Aug 2021 09:42:12
The Pogba scenario is a shame for the club as there is potentially no return on the significant investment it made on him however let's not get too hung up on that as the outlay will have been amortised over the course of his time with us so any sell on would have just funded the next player. Club have no one to blame but ourselves for not letting him go when he wanted to and now we are in this hybrid where he is happy to stay in the knowledge he is months away from a big decision for his future playing and financial wise. there is still a chance that for Pogba we are still the best option but we will see. If we took our passionate heads off we would not question him taking this road.

On the pitch I think we will see the same Pogba which is a supremely gifted player who will light up games and there will be games that we question his effort etc (similar to the way some viewed Berbatov at times) .

Club need to focus on having a good season and if that is Pogba playing in the right formation or the team functioning better with Donny/ Matic and Pogba having an impact role then that is the decision I hope that OGS makes. I don't see Pogba rocking the boat either way as he either is playing in a winning team or he knows he is on his way out anyway.


7.) 11 Aug 2021 10:44:49
Shappy, I don't think Haaland is/ was a pipe dream. I think it was probably very close. It doesn't look likely he'll be going anywhere this season but I would like to think we are in the mix next summer, along with a handful of other clubs. But to suggest it's fantasy that he could join Utd seems a bit far-fetched.


8.) 11 Aug 2021 12:29:24
Spenno, We refused to deal with his agent and would only sign him if Mino wasn't involved with the deal.

He had the choice of United or Dortmund, he chose Dortmund.

Next summer he'll have the choice of City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Juventus, PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona or United. As well as a few others I expect.

If he chose Dortmund over us before he won't choose us over any of those other sides who sadly are probably better placed than us to offer him the chance to win titles currently.

Thinking we are in with a chance next summer is just setting yourself up for disappointment. It's never going to happen.


9.) 11 Aug 2021 12:39:22
I believed he only chose Dortmund because Utd insisted on different terms for his release clause? Maybe a good thing, because now look at the predicament Dortmund find themselves in?


10.) 11 Aug 2021 12:55:32
Spenno. You refuse to accept that we tried to cut his agent out. We treated the same agent in a disgusting manner with pogba. We will not be signing haaland now or ever.


11.) 11 Aug 2021 13:00:16
I agree dsg I think he will start a lot of games proving what a flake ole is.
He wants to leave we have not let him.
We triggered an extention without engaging with him or his agent.
We are not Diddy new terms with oogba or his agent.
We have not offered him new terms officially but are trying to work though an intermediary.
Your right ole will play him while ignoring the players he will need to turn to when pogba leaves.
Ole and the club are using bully boy tactics I hope it blows up in their face.


12.) 11 Aug 2021 13:00:33
Wallace,

We probably could do a lot better than pursuing someone like Camavinga whose preference is playing for other top clubs (if that's indeed true) .

Hope we have learnt our lesson from Pogba.


13.) 11 Aug 2021 13:13:12
The release clause was part of Mino's plan for the player. As we refused to deal with him then it wasn't so much a thing that it was the clause that was the issue but who was proposing it.

Ultimately from what I believe he chose Dortmund for two reasons. Firstly, because he didn't want to cut Mino out having just joined his agency. Secondly, because the pathway set out by Mino and Dortmund meant he had a clear plan for how he would develop and where his career would go.

He was a 19 year old kid, his next move was hardly going to be his last. He wanted to go somewhere where he could develop and hone his skills then in a couple of years time make that move to a top side when he was ready.

He had spoken with Martin Odegaard and was well aware of the dangers of moving to a top club too soon, with the pressure to perform every week and any slight dip in form and you are out of the team.

Ultimately though that is the past. He won't sign for United for two very obvious reasons. We won't deal with his agent, and bare in mind that next summer when he will be available will probably be the same summer that Mino makes us look like total armatures as he facilitates Pogba's move on a free transfer. Can you see the club swallowing their pride and crossing Mino's hand with silver during that time?
While even if we did swallow our pride, why would he choose us? Do you think Mino will tell him a move to United will be good for his career? Or will he say United will hold you to ransom for the next 5-6 years until you leave on a free at the age of 27/ 28. He'll have the choice of teams that will have just won league or even UCL titles.

After the way the club have burned their bridges with Mino we now have no chance of getting Haaland, forget him, it ain't ever going to happen.


14.) 11 Aug 2021 13:35:21
LPUtd,

I see what you’re saying and partly agree - don’t want anyone who is being forced onto the club by his agent - be Pogba all over again.

However, I don’t think we can lose really: either he buys into the long term project and we get an excellent t plater or we sell him for a profit in a year or two.


15.) 11 Aug 2021 14:12:45
Fair enough Shappy, you are obviously knowledgeable. I shall dare to dream however!
Still feel he suits Bayern most, City if they don't get Kane, then even Liverpool. Not sure how any Italian or Spanish team affords him or where he fits in at PSG, unless they offload Mbappe which you could certainly have imagined a few seasons ago. Maybe a loan with obligation to buy.


16.) 11 Aug 2021 14:18:54
Shaps,

You talk as though we’re a million miles away from success, but then list Barcelona - a team in complete financial ruin who have just lost their best player and still need to sell several more to balance the books - as a viable option. I’ma go out on a limb and suggest that we’ll win our next major trophy before they get theirs despite the fact that they play in a far less competitive league.

I do think that success will be important for Haaland, but would also wager that money will play a huge role in his next move and we’ll be in a position to offer more than most. Of those who could seriously rival us in this area, Chelski have just dropped a hundred mil on Lukaku, PSG have just decimated their wage structure to sign Messi, Barcelona are on the brink of collapse and City may still drop £120m+ on Kane before this summer’s window slams shut.

Realistically, if City do sign Kane this year, I can see it being between us, Real and Bayern and I’m not sure Munich will be keen to break their wage structure to sign a 21/ 22 year old regardless of his obvious talent. As such, Real have to be the favorites for his signature, but if he doesn’t fancy having to learn Spanish, we might just be in with an outside chance. Of course, we’ll have to patch things up with Mino, but this would presumably be fairly easy given how money-oriented he is. He’s not going to turn down a huge payday for himself or his client due to a meaningless quarrel with somebody who’ll be long gone from the club by the time talks take place.


17.) 11 Aug 2021 14:21:55
I agree with Shappy and I actually think some of Pogba’s best performances for Utd have been from the bench. I see him more as an impact player now, someone that can come on for 20-30 minutes and help change the game. With his contact situation still not resolved in my opinion we certainly shouldn’t be building the team around him and I’m far from convinced that his performances over the past 5 seasons warrant the astronomical wages he’ll want to stay at the Club.

He’s wanted to leave for nearly 3 seasons now so it must be very unlikely that he’ll sign a new contract considering he’ll be free to move as he pleases in less than 12 months. If he did sign I fear it would only be because he options were limited and not because he was fully committed to the Club.

How Ole manages him this season will be important. We can ill afford the petulant, arrogant, lazy Pogba we’ve seen so many times when he thinks he just has to turn up to win. The Pogba that dwells on the ball, gets dispossessed in dangerous areas, doesn’t track runners, gets caught ahead of the ball and doesn’t get back or makes stupid challenges in the box.

I have a sneaky feeling he’ll predominantly play from the left whilst Rashford is out injured especially if Cavani isn’t fit and Martial starts upfront.

I’d love to see Donny given the box to box role. I think his movement and quick passing could really benefit us in midfield and help to progress the ball quicker into the forwards.

Anyway Ole certainly has plenty of options and it’s about finding a team that gives us the necessary balance between defence and attack. Pogba can still be a huge asset if managed correctly but maybe his importance to the team isn’t what it once was and his status as undroppable or automatic starter should be over.


18.) 11 Aug 2021 14:42:00
Well you never know with Pogba do you? For the past season he's been angling for a move with certain comments made to the right channels, but it's been in the club's hands so a complete grey area. From January it isn't in the club's hands. He can do as he chooses. PSG's midfield is probably their weakest area, so they'll still fancy him in a year. But maybe too he'll want to go out with a bang and win something here. Or who am I kidding lol.


19.) 11 Aug 2021 14:42:07
Ken I don’t think Ole negotiates deals, deals with agents or anything like that. I get you don’t like him etc but blame your anger towards the amateurs at the top and not someone who is not responsible for what you’re accusing him off.

By all accounts pogba has a very good relationship with Ole, as do most of the players, if not all.


20.) 11 Aug 2021 15:21:28
Wallace,

What do you think we will lose? I don't mind if the player is fully committed and wants to play for us but if he isn't then we need to steer clear and look at other options available.

If we do sign him, he would probably take 1 or 2 yrs before settling in so I don't see us making a profit within a year or two. And no point bringing someone in just to sell within 2 yrs or so.

We should be looking for young skillful players who are here for at least the next 5 yrs or more and are capable of making a serious contribution on the pitch to ensure any sort of stability.


21.) 11 Aug 2021 18:10:33
Redseven, I think we are a couple of years away from being able to sustain genuine title challenges on all fronts with a realistic chance of winning the biggest tournaments.

However, a lot can go wrong between now and then. Young players going off the rails, bad injuries, players not progressing or reaching their potential, or key players leaving.

Our future success is built on a lot of ifs. Personally as an optimist I think it will work out. But I've been wrong before.

There are many reasons both sporting and personal why I don't think Haaland will ever wear the red of Manchester. I'm fine with that, not all great players will play for us.

I have a lot of faith in young Mason Greenwood and a lot of hope for McNeil and Hugill. At the end of the day we can only have so many players and we can't expect every youngster to make it in the first team, especially if we keep buying players for that first team.


22.) 11 Aug 2021 18:46:26
Caolan where did I blame ole for negotiating deals?


 

 

06 Aug 2021 08:09:29
Possible big merry go tound now triggered by Messi?

Messi to PSG

Mbappe to Real Madrid

Haaland to Barcelona

Pogba to PSG (money from Mbappe)

Saul/ neves to United from Pogba money

My pleasure, mystic wallace.

Wallace

1.) 06 Aug 2021 08:19:30
So Barça can't afford Messi on half his ordinary wages, but they can afford a huge transfer fee and high wages for Haaland? Sounds logic.


2.) 06 Aug 2021 08:20:51
J
Haaland will sign for Madrid next season.


3.) 06 Aug 2021 09:00:45
I really hope we sign Messi - who doesn't want to hear a commentator say "Messi won't get to that, Phil Jones has overhit that pass"


4.) 06 Aug 2021 09:02:59
No to Neves, great a few years ago but been average for at least a season if not 2. Sancho and Varane are great signings and set the bar high, let’s keep it high.


5.) 06 Aug 2021 10:02:34
No chance we will sign TWO midfielders.

Tony, I think that is harsh, last season Neves was the only midfielder to complete over 60 tackles AND over 60 interceptions. While also making the third most passes into the final third from a CDM. That's a little better than average. What I think let Neves down last season was the injury to Jimenez and the poor form of Traore meant Wolves were ironically toothless. While the injuries to Podence and Neto throughout the season meant they really couldn't get a settled side. While I think Fabio Silva will be a great player, you can't rely on a 18 year old new to the league and the country to carry your attack through most of a season.


6.) 06 Aug 2021 10:03:52
It could indeed spark a merry-go-round but not sure on a few of those.
Messi to PSG - almost certain, who on earth would be nuts enough to pay him? Man City maybe until they signed Grealish.
Pogba to PSG? As well as Messi? I think it closes the door. I see Italy as being his most likely destination.
Mbappe to Real? Haaland to Real? Can't see both happening in the next few seasons. Mbappe probably, possibly as a loan this season?
Haaland to Barcelona? Messi frees up a tonne of money. But enough to buy Haaland? Doesn't seem logical. Then again, where these Spanish teams are concerned (and moreso PSG) they seem to find a way to do anything.
And finally. Saul/ Neves to Utd? Hopefully we will get an update in the coming days. It seems until Pogba moves on nothing can happen as far as Utd are concerned.


7.) 06 Aug 2021 10:10:03
It defies belief that Messi/ Barca took so long to agree a contract (even on half his wages), but the club knew all along it would break FFF rules. Makes you wonder what other incentives were offered and how much even half his salary was. Also an indicator of how weak their squad currently is that you can't see where they'd raise the cash to balance it. Depay on a free sums it up.


8.) 06 Aug 2021 10:21:39
Does anyone think this is Barcelona trying to put a bit of pressure on la liga? I could be way off but I still believe we'll see Messi play for Barcelona.


9.) 06 Aug 2021 10:28:59
LLV,

Ed002 on other rumours pages has hinted that Barcelona are offering the most creative solution to snare Haarland next year, possibly involving offering a higher fee than the release clause (please forgive me Ed002 if I’ve misinterpreted what you wrote! )


10.) 06 Aug 2021 10:32:21
Messi still might end up back with Barca. He's a free agent, they'll be trying to get rid of players. If they manage to do so, I'm sure they will go straight back to Messi and look to bring him back?

It's obviously an enormous mess at Barcelona to let someone like Messi leave in this way.


11.) 06 Aug 2021 10:53:00
Wallace, their president is speaking now, they miscalculated their losses, which are twice what was expected. He doesn't seem optimistic the situation will be totally reversed any time soon.


12.) 06 Aug 2021 10:57:21
Rjmanutd, Laporta said they would need to clear four times Messi's salary to be able to register him on his reduced salary. Not impossible but very unlikely.


13.) 06 Aug 2021 14:01:24
-------------------Wrong page - this is the Manchester United page---------------


14.) 06 Aug 2021 20:26:58
As much as I would love him to come to Utd, Haaland will go to Bayern. Barcelona can’t afford him, Real are all in for Mbappe and can’t afford both plus will need to rebuild their midfield, City want Kane so it sits perfect for Bayern. He can win trophies for a few seasons and then get another big move after that. Maybe we might be lucky and get Lewandowski to replace Cavani and help develop Greenwood even more but he will likely end up at Juve or PSG.


15.) 06 Aug 2021 21:04:13
Yeah just seen that as well. To put it politely they are in a tough spot.

Still astounding that such mismanagement occurs in football. Barcelona are in a mess but we've seen it all over the place with clubs going into liquidation, administration etc.


 

 

02 Aug 2021 11:18:45
Just had quick look at Real Madrid page and saw Ed002’s comment about Torres now their main CB target.

He then comments that United got Varane after being unable to get Torres.

Does anyone on here know what the story is behind this? Any reason why United switched to Varane? Guessing Torres just didn’t want to come to United and wanted to stay in Spain?

Just being nosey!

Any information gratefully received.

Wallace

1.) 02 Aug 2021 12:05:25
Apparently Real Madrid wanted to sign at least two CB's this summer, maybe three if BOTH Ramos AND Varane leave.

Pau Torres and Jules Kounde were their top targets. Probably with Torres as their first choice with him being Spanish.

As such I expect they made Torres aware that they wanted to sign him and he probably preferred to stay in Spain.


2.) 02 Aug 2021 12:14:54
From what I recall, I’m sure Torres wanted to stay in Spain.


 

 

04 Jun 2021 08:21:26
Would recommend a read of the hugely detailed transfer summary on the Man City page: amazing detail by Ed002.

Wallace

1.) 04 Jun 2021 09:09:14
In Ed we trust…. and I don’t mean Woodward 🤣.


2.) 04 Jun 2021 09:32:53
Sounds like there are more supporters on the City page than attend the Emptyhad 😂.


 

 

 

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13 Oct 2021 10:26:32
Thanks Shappy, reading reports about how promising some of the youngsters are - know they’re a year or two off the first team squad but no harm in giving them some minutes when we’re comfortable and getting them to train with the first team.

Lad Ennis looks class.

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13 Oct 2021 08:19:55
Need to really slim down tbe squad. Ship out (an get a few for if at all possible) :

(Will then free up space to bring in youngsters)

Lingard (bring in Elanga and Shoretire)

Bailly (bring in Fish or Mengi)

Telles (bring in Jurado)

Jones (end his misery and give him chance elsewhere)

Dalot (bring in other Spanish lad, Fernandez? )

Martial (bring in Hugill or Hannibal)

Fred (bring in Garner)

Matic - great player but can’t last a match

Cavani

Bring in Amad and Pellistri too

Probably missed loads out as well but you get the gist.

Rather Pogba went: too inconsistent and more of a luxury player

Would love Rice (but very expensive), Kessie and Gravenbach but competing with Real, PSG, Chelsea, Juventys etc for these and other too names mentioned.

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02 Oct 2021 11:26:29
Thank you so much for the swift and detailed reply - your precious time is very much appreciated!

Wallace

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


 

 

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31 Aug 2021 08:28:31
Real Madrid the real winners of this window: batted lashes at Mbappe so sign for free next year, Pogba on free next year, who will then join Camavinga, bought with some of “MBappe” money they saved up, which leaves enough for Haaland next year!

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30 Aug 2021 18:19:52
Am hoping that’s a cryptic Ed002 comment!

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12 Oct 2021 08:15:26
Great motivator but very different approach to Guardiola and Klopp.

Very shrewd and knowledgeable manager but maybe a bit too abrasive for today’s player.

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07 Oct 2021 10:23:28
He will leave on a free.

Gets to go to Real Madrid with a bumper pay packet fir him and Minio, plus join Camavinga and probably Mbappe and Garland.

Don’t blame him - why wouldn’t you?

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03 Oct 2021 10:05:35
I’ve been willing to for him a chance up to now also.

However, despite the fact that he’s gone a brilliant job rebuilding United to the point where we’re only a player or to away from a title challenging squad, his coaching deficiencies are now becoming more obvious.

You can only take them so far with being everyone’s friend - they now owe proper tactical awareness, coaching and even micromanaging n tbe pitch - look at Benetez sending on Davies to stick close to Pogba beyond everything else.

Just don’t think Ole has that next level of shrewd and astute coaching about him - he seems to just send out a team and hope they produce something. Basically mot a team but a hope that someone will produce a bit of magic

Thus, despite all the good he’s done, he now needs to pass the project over to a more experienced and tactically aware manager - and who is a better coach primarily - to take us to the next level.

You can only wonder how a coach like Koop, Guardioka or Naglsmsn would improve the players, the team unit and the tactical nous.

(Also think Pogba is an albatross around his neck and we limited ourselves by picking Ronaldo so often, given his lack of pressing etc. Sjhoujd be regularly rotated with Cavani)

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01 Oct 2021 09:48:36
Sancho playing on the left until rashfird gets back, then front three of Rash, Ronaldo and Sancho.

Sancho playing left as who else is there? Clearly doesn’t trust martial anymore.

Do t worry. Will all be better once the saint gets back.

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28 Sep 2021 19:56:21
Thanks Ed002 ☺️☺️.

Wallace