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27 Dec 2024 20:39:20
Rumours of United being interested in Daniel Olmo (if Barcelona lose their appeal about registration) and PSG’s Nuno Mendes.
Would certainly help sort out the left side if true and perhaps hasten the exits of Rashford and Garnacho.
1.) 27 Dec 2024 22:07:50
They have lost it already.
2.) 28 Dec 2024 10:38:20
If he were to come, Bruno would have to be sacrificed IMO.
Or, alternatively, him and Bruno as the 2 no.10s with Amad on one wing and a new LWB on the other. That may work.
3.) 28 Dec 2024 11:09:54
I think there is some legs in the Nuno Mendes rumour.
He has the same agent as Ruben Amorim, has played in Amorim's system and been great in that role, while he probably suits playing as a wingback better than playing as a full back.
Add to that Theo Hernandez is refusing a new deal at AC Milan and is rumoured to be high on PSG's wanted list (they want more top level French players) .
I could easily see a situation where Hernandez joins PSG and we sign Nuno Mendes from them.
It makes a lot of sense. We get a young (22), top quality player who knows the manager and has excelled in the system we are trying to implement, who plays in a position of high priority in terms of need.
If I was a betting man I might have a flutter on Nuno Mendes to join us next summer.
As for Dani Olmo, he would be a bear perfect signing for a player in one of those inside forward/ wide No.10 roles that Amorim uses either side of the striker. While he could be available for well below his market value. Technically if Barcelona cannot register him by the 31st of December then his contract with them becomes null and void and he is a free agent, despite them still having to honour the €60m transfer fee they agreed with Red Bull Leipzig.
However, as this is a situation that has never happened before I would expect some kind of legal challenge from Barcelona to mitigate the financial loss they will have incurred. Which will probably lead to some out of court settlement between them and whoever signs Olmo if he becomes a free agent in January.
It's the kind of deal I'd normally suggest giving a bit of a wide berth to as it could become a bit of a headache and a distraction. However, given his quality, age and suitability to how we play, while also considering our current financial position (limited funds to reinvest in the squad, while also having a lot of investment needed to bring the squad up to standard), it seems like a deal the club should very much be keeping a close eye on and a player we should move for if he does become available at a below market value price (maybe even free) .
He's too good of a player, who also suits the current set up very well, to ignore and not have a go at trying to sign.
That said I expect there will be a lot of competition for his signature if he does become available. With teams in much better positions than us also competing for him. Which means our chances of getting him are probably very low.
Mendes I think will be a player who we could get in the summer rather than January. I'd actually like us to re-sign Alvaro Fernandez in January as he's available for a bargain buy back clause. I also think he'd slip straight into the team without much need to adjust to the team and the league having been here with us for so many years previously. However, I think we need two LWB's if I'm honest as neither Malacia or Shaw are suitable to that role and it's a very physically demanding position that requires regular rotation to avoid burnout and injury. So would also look to sign Nuno Mendes in the summer. Then next season have both Mendes and Fernandez rotating in that position.
Fernandez is available for 15m, while Mendes would likely cost 35-40m (given PSG could get Hernandez to replace him for very little given his contract situation) . That means we could have both Mendes and Fernandez at LWB for 50-55m. Which is the minimum amount we would probably have to pay for someone like Kerkez from Bournemouth.
I'd have a go for Olmo if he becomes available, but would also look at deals for either Sverre Nypan or Chris Rigg as other younger options who could be brought in instead of or as well as Olmo.
We are going to have to be savvy with our signings over the next few windows. I wouldn't be surprised if half the reason Rashford is being left out the squad currently is to force him out of the club, both reducing the wage bill and bringing in a profit on the books. From a financial perspective he is the most profitable player we can sell, while his loss would not be felt as much as some other players.
I expect to see us prioritise younger players who can be brought in for lower fees and players we can get for below their market value due to either a clause in their contract or because their contract is soon expiring. Along with some other more expensive signings for key positions. All signings however, will be on lower wages than we have previously handed out (or at least structured differently such as more wages based on performances and lower basic wages) .
4.) 28 Dec 2024 11:24:59
Defo. I think a LWB is crucial in January for Amorim to play as he wants, and a creative/ goalscoring player would be amazing.
5.) 28 Dec 2024 11:42:05
Ugh. A player used to playing in the manager’s system. I’ve learned to be traumatised by this sentance.
6.) 28 Dec 2024 14:46:11
I would be very sceptical of bringing Dani Olmo in. His injury record is pretty scary, for seasons 21/ 22, 22/ 23 and 23/ 24 he missed 276 days and 66 games through injury. I think he was also out for a month recently with Barca.
Whilst there is no questioning his talent and ability, I would be concerned as to his reliability playing in a much tougher league such as the EPL. Too risky for me.
7.) 28 Dec 2024 15:33:06
I’m at a point with the team where if they can make a 5m pass and actually try they’ll shine like a star next to these dossers, sign them up.
8.) 28 Dec 2024 20:21:03
It does make you wonder what they do/ show in training Reez.
9.) 28 Dec 2024 20:33:11
Can't see Olmo coming to us when it's likely City or Arsenal might want him.
10.) 29 Dec 2024 17:46:52
Good explanation Shappy.
11.) 29 Dec 2024 17:54:15
Really wouldn’t surprise me if United:
Loaned out Rashford for the rest of the season and supplemented his wages by 50%.
(However the 50% saved could help bring in a first team player)
Sold Garnacho for £60m to Athletico, which might fund another couple of players (first team and youth prospect)
Do, while this will never probably happen as it’s United, available finds might allow us to bring in the following in January:
Nuno Mendes LWB
Sverre Nypan AM, LHS
Mastantuano (loan back to River Plate)
12.) 29 Dec 2024 23:50:52
£60m for Garnacho?
13.) 03 Jan 2025 11:03:21
They did spend £110m on Alvarez and Gallagher in the summer, so you never know.
14.) 03 Jan 2025 23:25:35
Shappy why would PSG sell Nunes for £35-40m just because they could get Hernandez for that amount? Let’s say Real Madrid want to sell Vinicius Junior, do you think they’d sell him for £50m because that’s what his replacement would cost or do you think they’d sell him for £100m as his talent deserves? ?
I imagine if they were to sell Nunez it would likely be £50-60m. Bayern will likely need to replace Davies, City also need a LB, Chelsea will probably want to replace Chillwell so there’d definitely be enough interest to drive his price up.
15.) 05 Jan 2025 09:39:29
Shappy i'm assuming all these signings are dependent on whether we are still in the premier league next season?
16 Oct 2024 14:04:26
Hi Ed002,
Further to your info a few days ago about United having two scenarios should there be a need for a new coach - and them identifying ideal candidates for both scenarios - are able to reveal if Tuchel getting the England job has impacted either of those scenarios please?
Many thanks as always!
{Ed002's Note - Tuchel was originally first choice but turned the job down in the summer and had not changed his mind. So no.}
1.) 16 Oct 2024 15:24:22
Thank you for the detailed reply!
2.) 16 Oct 2024 16:04:47
Believe the deal with Tuchel was actually done a little while ago (10 days or so) according to reports so was never a chance of him coming in over the internal break.
26 Sep 2024 13:39:51
Hi Ed002,
Do you know if the United hierarchy are losing confidence in Ten Hag please and if they’re thinking of replacing him soon?
Results are pretty poor and there seem to be questions about how well he is implementing a more possession based style of play, his team selections and his substitutions- plus other issues such as communicating his ideas.
The next International break might seem an opportune moment to make a change perhaps?
Many thanks for an information you feel able to reveal about ETH’s current position.
{Ed002's Note - He should have been replaced in the summer. The board will have serious concerns now and no doubt options will be considered and Ashworth will be a key part of the decision process.}
1.) 26 Sep 2024 15:00:14
Ed002
Thank you and agree. May I ask if Eddie Howe would be considered given the Ashworth connection?
{Ed002's Note - There would be plenty ahead of him.}
2.) 26 Sep 2024 15:16:34
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply Ed002, very much appreciated.
3.) 26 Sep 2024 15:48:01
Hi Ed, Is it true Ole was asked if He'd accept to return to Utd as manager?
{Ed002's Note - By a journalist - not the club.}
4.) 26 Sep 2024 16:17:02
What are the options now in order of preference?
{Ed002's Note - There is nothing to discuss now.}
5.) 26 Sep 2024 22:36:22
I imagine it will cost a pretty penny to remove him this year?
6.) 27 Sep 2024 02:59:50
Hopefully not, Spenno. Given that the only reason they didn’t get rid of him in the summer was because they couldn’t get the person they wanted in to replace him, you’d like to think they’d have put a lower severance payout in his new contract. At the very least, it shouldn’t have gone up.
7.) 27 Sep 2024 09:19:07
He didn't get a new contract.
8.) 27 Sep 2024 09:54:15
The next few games could be key for EtH to show that there is significant improvement and to get us up the table a bit. Unfortunately they are not easy games with Spurs and Villa with Porto inbetween in the Europa.
There will be many more metrics other than wins that they will be looking at but it will not have been lost on them that the fans at the FC Twente game seemed to be turning a bit. That can be overcome with a few good results but if the board are not 100% convinced then they may start looking at options again.
Lets remember that there are some managers available that if you believe the noise in the summer the board were keen on (Tuchel, Southgate - please no! )
After the break there is a run where we will be favourites so if he can ride out this period he could get a breather assuming we pick up points.
9.) 28 Sep 2024 00:08:56
Just go all out and get Arteta.
10.) 28 Sep 2024 02:48:56
You do know that Arteta is an Arsenal fan, burnleyred? You really think he'll throw away what he's up to for a year as a well paid scapegoat for the shambles at your club?
11.) 28 Sep 2024 18:32:37
Ten Hag might be rubbish, but he has still won more than Arteta SW.
Five years £700m and one FA Cup, shocker.
12.) 28 Sep 2024 18:36:36
3 years 700m, 1 beat city cup (yehhh) 1 league cup an 8th place finish ?♂️ shocker.
13.) 28 Sep 2024 21:51:28
I’d take OGS back over ten Hag any day of the week.
14.) 29 Sep 2024 01:51:31
True, Grim, he did win the league cup. Better then to leave Arteta alone and give Ten Hag a new contract, serial winner that he has proven himself to be (;
15.) 29 Sep 2024 11:44:02
Arteta lost his first 3 league games in his third year and had managed 4 points from first 5 games.
Arsenal fans were calling for his head and the whole stadium was booing. people have short memories and revisionist.
The spend amount that keeps getting quoted is just lazy stuff go to Transfermarkt and add 3 numbers, can't be that difficult.
If beating city was a yeaah why has no one else done it the England since Guardiola has been here yeaah.
16.) 29 Sep 2024 18:25:14
Enough is enough. Get rid of Ten Haag and bring Ole back until the end of the season.
17.) 29 Sep 2024 18:53:35
Can't wait to see him gone.
18.) 29 Sep 2024 20:19:21
I think he's gone now. position untenable now.
19.) 29 Sep 2024 21:40:02
Ole is nowhere near good enough. People have short memories.
20.) 29 Sep 2024 22:52:48
No idea why Ole is getting mentioned, a journo asks Ole a question, Ole answers and now its bandied about as a credible alternative.
I cannot believe for one minute Sir Jim would even have thought about it, I am sure he and his team have ideas of who they want, OGS won't even be discussed and mentioned as an option.
21.) 30 Sep 2024 08:21:02
Amen to that oakbark.
22.) 30 Sep 2024 08:51:55
At least Ole tried to play entertaining football and got on well with the squad. He also had a good record against the big six, save for that 5-0 thumping at home against the scousers.
He probably isn’t the man for the job in the long-term (although let’s remember that he too had to deal with all of the same issues that the Ten Haag apologists are constantly bleating on about), but between him and Van Nistelrooy, I do think he could steady the ship between now and the end of the season.
The alternative seems to be rushing out and signing Southgate to a long-term deal, which I don’t think any of us want. Ole until the end of the season will give the new management structure time to scout and secure the right manager, which we haven’t had since SAF left.
19 Aug 2024 14:59:10
Afternoon Ed002,
Thank you as always for your precious time and all the latest information you are good enough to provide us.
If you are able to, would you mind giving us some feedback on how well Christopher Vivell is doing at United since he arrived?
Has he been active in our current transfer activity (or were targets decided before he arrived? ) or is he busy using his expertise to identify targets for future windows - or even exciting youth prospects?
Thanks for any info - be interested in how he’s doing, as we never hear about him in the media! Maybe even become a permanent contract if doing well?!
{Ed002's Note - He only has a one year deal so for now it is a temporary appointment. He is certainly heavily involved with departures and will be keeping an oversight of targets identified by scouts.}
1.) 19 Aug 2024 17:36:39
Thank you for the swift and informative response!
19 Jul 2024 15:29:34
Afternoon Ed002, hope you’re enjoying the UK weather!
If you get a minute, would you mind giving us the latest on Casameiro pls?
Lots of conflicting reports in the media today, such as
Saudi lost interest in him due to wanting to bring in younger talent (and question marks over his fitness)
United telling the PIF that they want to keep him
The player desperate to leave the club.
Any info gratefully received!
{Ed002's Note - Casemiro (DM) Manchester United would be willing to let him leave but will take a huge loss. Michael Emenalo spoke of him as one option for Saudi clubs but will be concerned about persistent injuries. PSG offer a wildcard option but only as cover and that option has likely moved on. The player will want to understand his options before deciding with the club what to do.}
1.) 19 Jul 2024 23:32:34
Id prefer we move SMc on and keep Casemero (IYKYK) on. As long as we bring someone in circa Ugarte. Case is better cover.
(Here come the salary police)
2.) 20 Jul 2024 06:53:49
You’re assuming Casemiro would be happy in a role as cover though. Not sure at this stage in his career he would be.
3.) 20 Jul 2024 07:34:28
IYKYK? Spill the beans big boy.
4.) 20 Jul 2024 07:38:47
I think that all depends on which Casemiro stays. The one from his first season, or last season’s?
That being said, nobody in the squad covered themselves in glory last season.
5.) 20 Jul 2024 09:07:48
Cas’s legs have gone, and positionally he was all over the place last season, which was a big factor in our midfield being overrun.
He was great in his first season up until the league cup win, but since then has proved to be an expensive mistake.
We need to solidify our midfield with an out and out DM who’s happy to sit and allow others to take the glory. Kante style.
6.) 20 Jul 2024 10:05:51
It seems likely that it'll be one of McTominay or Casemiro who leaves this summer. Although ideally it should be both out with two new signings coming in.
That might be a bit too much change and will potentially be difficult for the club to do.
The question over which is better to move on though really depends on what you value.
McTominay is a model professional, hard working, a leader and is a United lad through and through. He also counts towards our homegrown quota. I also suspect he'll be more accepting (although not happy) with being a back up player. He is also on lower wages.
That said he really isn't a defensive midfielder, and shouldn't be playing deeper in midfield. His best role is probably as a No.10, a physical presence who can press from the front and create chaos with his physicality in the final third. He's also excellent at being that late arriving player in the box who finds pockets of space to score.
Yet that isn't really the profile we need, he's a useful option off the bench for certain stages of play in some games.
What we really need though is a deeper, defensive option. Which is where Casemiro is a much better profile for our needs. The issue with Casemiro though is that he doesn't have the mobility or stamina to be a single pivot or cover a large area anymore. Which is why we are seeing him dive into tackles much more as he knows he doesn't have the legs to stay with the runner. Yet if we play with a double pivot and have someone who can provide more energy alongside him then I don't think his days are as numbered as some would have you believe. I think if he moved to Italy where they tend to play far more compact and keep the spaces much smaller that Casemiro could play there at the top level for another couple of season's.
The problem with keeping Casemiro is not as some have suggested his high wages, although they are less than ideal. It is both his lack of interest in being a back up player at this point in his career, along with the much bigger issue in that he is the type of player who needs to play regularly to stay match sharp.
We saw even during his first season, where he was generally excellent, that after he missed a few games that it would take him 2 to 3 games to get back up to speed. This was most evident when he had his suspensions, he'd miss a few games, then when he was back he'd be a yard or two off the pace for the next couple of games.
That inability to stay match sharp when not playing, and the length of time it takes him to get back up to speed make him a very poor option as a squad player.
I think half of the issue he had last season was niggling injuries meaning he was in and out of the line up, meaning he rarely had a run of 5-10 games to get fully up to speed. Add that to the tactics/ decisions of other players, meaning our midfield was very open and he had too much space to cover just exasperated the problem.
Which for me is why I'd probably look to sell Casemiro first if possible, as if he isn't going to be first choice and play most games then his ability to be useful as a squad player is minimal.
Although ideally we'd sell both and bring in two new midfielders capable and comfortable playing deeper in defensive midfield.
7.) 20 Jul 2024 10:19:49
Thank you for taking the time to reply Ed002!
8.) 20 Jul 2024 16:23:13
McT is an excellent squad player if not a starter. Casemiro's legs appear to have gone, we should take whatever we can get for him. Sorry to be brutal it i don't see this one as complicated.
9.) 20 Jul 2024 16:32:13
I’d keep McT, sell Cas if possible and Eriksen.
10.) 20 Jul 2024 23:45:11
Cant remember the last time I made it through the whole of one of shappy's posts ?.
11.) 21 Jul 2024 08:13:50
Dodgy Banter……. got to be honest mate, I skip ‘em! ?.
12.) 21 Jul 2024 10:36:24
Don't worry, I know some people ain't got the stamina ??.
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01 Jul 2024 08:47:53
Lots of United rumours/ news this morning:
Dan Ashworth finally been agreed and can start work immediately. Rumours that it was PSR compliance linked.
Deal for De Licht progressing.
Really hope United have done their homework on this as smells of old era where ETH targets were acquired, driven by ETH, not best recruitment special-ist)
DL is slow injury prone and a Juve Bayern reject. Really hope he’s just an amazing opportunity at cheap price and not main CB target.
Think his persistent injuries linked to where he had a man’s body at such a young age and wasn’t given the chance to strengthen properly.
Really hope Ashworths first job is to veto this transfer.
Deals for Ugarte and Zirkzee seem to be developing also.
If we get him, Zirkzee will make a huge different to our attack, helping Rashford and Hoijland in the process.
So really promising news - just hope United know what they’re doing pandering to ETH’s obsession with past Ajax players who have question marks over them.
1.) 01 Jul 2024 09:53:03
Ashworth getting completed and being able to start immediately is huge news. Berrada starts officially on 13th July which means the structure will be fully functional for the remainder of the summer and start of the season.
I am certain that the work undertaken by the team led by Wilcox/ Blanc would have been working towards the players that aligned to Ashworth/ Berada.
De Ligt is a quality CB and if he is coming in I would expect the price to be on the lower end especially if we are picking up his wages and as is pointed out that Bayern were driving the sale. I do not think this is the only deal ongoing so we may be talking to multiple options but if we end up with De Ligt, Martinez, Another (Would this deal allow us to be able to fight/ wait on Todibo) as our main 3 CB's we would all have to be happy with that. Kambawala/ Evans/ Maguire as back up.
Ugarte hopefully in would add some real steal and would indicate Mainoo as more of the box to box/ link for next season.
2.) 01 Jul 2024 13:06:07
De ligt summed up on the Liverpool site as the Dutch Maguire.
I don't see him as a good buy. He is injury prone aswell.
3.) 01 Jul 2024 15:19:19
Don’t get why you would go for somone who is just as much injured as varane to replace varane
And unless your paying half of what Everton want for braithwaite why not just go for your number 1 target instead. and pay the money it will take to get your number 1
He might be a good defender when fit but why are byern so willing to sell him if he’s that good. smells of casimiro type deal this.
Have we not learnt thought we had football brains now at the club.
4.) 01 Jul 2024 17:52:53
His career hasn't really progressed. He is a good age, has experience in top leagues but I read a stat that he missed more games through injury than Varane in the last 2 years so what's the point of buying him? A bad buy for me.
5.) 01 Jul 2024 18:01:03
He plays football the way we want to play. He plays high. He is a top quality ball playing CB who can also step up and break lines. He is a leader who was captaining Ajax at something like 18. He is still only 24, so coming into peak years.
People calling him the dutch HM clearly do not know how he plays.
6.) 01 Jul 2024 19:07:13
Is Branthwaite the number 1 target for CB then?
7.) 01 Jul 2024 23:17:54
More the injuries for me dodgy. he did look a cracking player for Ajax in the ucl and like you say is a cb that couldn’t be a perfect partner for Martinez
But is he injury prone big risk especially after last season and we have not got a ray of quality cbs.
27 Apr 2024 21:31:48
Sir Jim has apparently met with “super-agent” Jorges Mendes, whose clients include:
Gonçalo Ramos
Diogo Costa
Jaoa Neves
Ruben Neves
Lenny Yoro
Rayan Ait Neuri
Wonder if he’s using his charm to grease the wheels for a deal or two?
1.) 28 Apr 2024 00:26:15
Utd are interested in Joao Neves out of that list and maybe Ait-Nouri.
Could be talking about being back JM or Ronaldo ??.
2.) 28 Apr 2024 09:13:27
Why would Ratcliffe meet with agents when he's nothing to do with the football structure ?♂️.
3.) 28 Apr 2024 09:44:32
Could he be meeting him for sales?
I’m sure he represents some of our players too.
4.) 28 Apr 2024 11:51:22
I guess because our CEO and Ashworth are not yet legally in place at the club?
20 Mar 2024 12:16:11
I’ve read that perhaps the main blocker to keep ETH on as manager is the issue over how much control he’ll have over transfers (his current contract allows him significant input)
However, if new regime take these decisions out of his hands and just want him to coach, ETH might find this a bit undermining.
So guess what kind of contract INEOS offer him if they want him to stay.
Also read Rumours that, if he doesn’t get a significant say in issues and transfers, he’ll go back to Ajax - so might leave anyway.
1.) 20 Mar 2024 14:23:47
I never heard that ETH had control of transfers at Ajax. He had Overmars and Van Der Sar above him. I don’t believe it was a factor in him leaving Ajax that he didn’t have control of transfers so we have to ask the question why did he want it at United? Quite possibly it was because previously United have shown to be very incompetent in that department and he wanted a greater hold on this. And I’m sure the usual lot will jump on this and point out his transfers but, it’s believed some of his 1st choice targets included Mazraoui, Timber, De Jong, Gakpo and Kane. All of whom as we know he didn’t get so to judge him on HIS signings maybe harsh. Either way, there is no suggestion that he wouldn’t be prepared to work under a more structured hierarchy apart from the current set up where he has most of the control on transfers but we don’t know the reason for this as previously he worked, successfully in a structured regime.
2.) 20 Mar 2024 14:29:09
Nothing will happen before the end of the season I suspect.
Very few people know for sure what will happen.
Does eth have a lifeline? Is he even under pressure?
Have they made up their mind to change regardless of how the session finishes?
Will eth want to stay if they have a different structure?
It's a wait and see situation.
We all have our own hopes, expectations and fears about what's about to unfold this summer.
Should be good craic watching how it all unfolds.
3.) 20 Mar 2024 15:36:57
I have to say the prospect of Southgate fills me with dread, he has the inspirational qualities of half a pound of sprouts, the players have thrown better than him under the bus. They will eat him alive.
His record as a premier league manager is 114 matches in charge and the grand total of 29 wins! 33 draws and 52 losses, 115 goals scored and 159 conceded. Average of 1.05 points per game.
ETH is 66 games in charge 38 won and 8 draws and 20 losses 95 goals for and 82 against. Average of 1.85 points per game.
I really hope ETH is still here next season, I feel he deserves the opportunity
IF, and obviously it's an unknown, this should come to pass all the optimism I have felt since SJR's deal was confirmed will instantly disappear and be replaced by a sense of foreboding I have never before felt in over 50 years as a supporter, and that also includes being in the Stretford End that day in 1974 against City when Denis Law backheeled the ball into the goal down at the Scoreboard End.
Please, please NO, NO, NO.
4.) 20 Mar 2024 15:50:55
There is certainly a lot saying Eth will be replaced in the summer including ed002. I just don't see it. I don't think the fans are clamouring for it as they were on previous managers, I don't think there would be great justification for a sacking due to the amount of side issues eth has had to deal with and in fairness he has dealt with it well. Maybe ineos want to start on a blank sheet but the board is not yet even in place. I see him being here next year and maybe he deserves that.
5.) 20 Mar 2024 16:53:32
How can you compare Southgates club management stats to ETH'S club management stats.
Southgate managed mid to lower Middlesborough team that had pretty much bang average players.
ETH has had the luxary of spending spent over 400 million pounds.
It's just nonsense comparing the two.
That's not to say i like the idea of Southgate getting the job, i think ETH deserves another season in my humble opinion.
6.) 20 Mar 2024 17:46:59
I want our trophy back
I was in K stand in 1974, remember the feeling well, awful. Have to say I felt that terrible sense of dread when Moyes was appointed and again when Ole was made permanent. The club just seemed incompetent. If they appoint Southgate they will look incompetent again.
I am not getting younger and to be honest, if they give Southgate years I may not live to see another league title or European cup. As I sat in the stadium waving the red flag in 2013 I had a very strong sense it could be the last time in my life because I knew about Moyes, about how poor the team looked.
Let’s see what the new owners do but Southgate sends all the wrong messages and our rivals will start the laughter again
Wallace
Yes control over transfers is a sticky point. Can understand ETH wanting some control based on what he came into, but he has not done well at all. Mention the ubiquitous Antony but a lot of the players seem to have to have some connection, be directly or indirectly through the Dutch league. That cannot be allowed to continue.
Said for a long time, actually since SAF retired, move to a coach not the all powerful manager, have one direction under a DOF and stop this must give five years nonsense.
Personally I think ETH will leave, Ed has said so but new broom sweeps clean is an old saying and I suspect apt here.
7.) 20 Mar 2024 20:06:05
Sim, how else do you make a rational and informed decision about such a significant and important decision without looking at previous achievements, or otherwise.
You say Southgate managed a mid to lower team, but the point is if someone is managing such a type of team then you get a much bigger job by being a success, not by being bang average. Many have started at that level, been successful and got a bigger job on the back of it, he did not. Let's not also forget he had an excellent owner in Steve Gibson who was supportive of his managers financially.
The point of making a comparison with ETH was to see how Southgate performed at a lower level against ETH performance at a much bigger club. Given the significant differences in achievement then how can any credibility be given to the idea Southgate offers a superior option to ETH.
The only other way of assessing Southgate is from his record as an International manager and that would not be of any real value as it bears no real similarity to club football and is nothing more than a false equivalency.
Again, your referencing of £400m does not equate, as cost comparison from 20 years ago makes it totally meaningless given inflation in football.
Your opinion that it is nonsense to compare the two records seems to me to be complete nonsense, as how else can can any assessment of suitability be made without any form of examination of the facts.
8.) 20 Mar 2024 20:37:54
Red Man, you are quite right about the message this would send to other supporters. I am quite sure they would all be desperately keen to see Southgate appointed as our manager. That really say's everything that needs to be said.
I too have very vivid recall of that day in 1974, leaving the ground and returning to the coach, parked alongside the cricket ground, the journey back to North Wales in a virtually silent atmosphere. Then the next day returning to London for work on the Monday, knowing full well how my work colleagues would enjoy the moment!
Having said all that I still had huge positivity about the future, I was totally convinced we would return to Div 1 straight away and indeed everybody who tried to take the pi** I challenged to make a £5 bet we would go straight back up. I ended up making something like 35 or so bet's. That could of been of been quite awkward if thing's had been different!
The point about this being I felt more positive about the future following relegation than I would now with Southgate in charge. Like you I hope to see success again before it is too late and that includes seeing a new state of the art stadium. Just my view, but no Southgate and that is perfectly possible, feasible and likely.
9.) 21 Mar 2024 12:57:28
I want our trophy back - You cannot compatre the two managers and the positions that they are and were in.
It's just stupid!
10.) 21 Mar 2024 13:21:03
Sim, instead of just being insulting, try saying something sensible.
Of course you can compare people's previous achievements, they do not have to be concurrent.
11.) 22 Mar 2024 11:56:46
agreed Ken.
No one knows. Andy Mitten and David Ornstein are probably the two most reputable journalists with their ears to the ground on all things united and they seem to think that SJR and INEOS are remaining very silent on the whether or not a new manager comes in.
I think they'll have a plan, but it all depends on how ETH finishes the season. With stronger players coming back and the run we have, I hope for a strong finish and ETH forces their hand.
My opinion, it would be a huge mistake to get rid of him. He will walk into a much more structured club and do very well. Whereas, should we remove him, there is absolutely no inspiring names that stick out.
12 Jan 2024 19:54:22
Ed002 in Everton page suggesting that 4 United centre Backs could leave in the Summer.
Thinking that means:
Varane
Maguire
Lindelof
Evans
Which potentially only leaves
Martinez
Kwambala
Rhys Bennett
As well as names being touted such as Braithwaite, Silva and Todibo, does anyone have enough knowledge about any of the younger players who might be ready to step up?
1.) 12 Jan 2024 20:10:31
Really mate!? shocking that!
2.) 12 Jan 2024 20:51:28
Always good to get there first with a bit of info DB ?.
08 Sep 2023 09:47:08
Club currently rotten from the top downwards, all predicated by Glazers desire to run United as a financial institution rather than a football club.
All decisions are linked to money, cost and profit implications, with no thought to actual football decisions.
Hence the chaos and stinking moral cesspit that United is becoming. (Greenwood, Antony, team spirit etc)
My only hope is that the Glazers see United as the sinking ship it currently is and cash out while they can.
Then new owners - motivated by achieving football success rather than financial - can sweep out all the fetid structures and actually start to invest in the football team and infrastructure do we can start to catch City, rather than continually falling behind…
Being pessimistic (am really down on United at the moment) can see us doing a Chelsea this year and finishing mid-table: this season has that feel about it, with the injuries, internal politics, bickering, etc.
Maybe short term pain for long term gain if it means Glazers finally go if they cash out now because of crumbling season.
1.) 08 Sep 2023 10:01:19
Unfortunately I agree with all of that and feel the same way.
2.) 08 Sep 2023 12:37:00
I’m sure I’ll be called negative and pessimistic, but from what I’ve seen so far I think United will be lucky to finish mid table. So many good looking teams in the league this year, most of which look to be playing with far more fight and belief.
I think the home form will keep united’s heads above water. But another season of getting spanked away from home I feel.
But as you’ve said, if a terrible season means the owners go, then maybe it will be worth it.
Suppose the worrying part of that type of scenario is will the manager and some of the better players be around next season if it ends up being that bad a season.
3.) 08 Sep 2023 13:55:05
I said years ago I’d take relegation if it meant getting rid of the leeches
Really sad that I’m more bothered about what is happening off the field than what goes on it
Being saying it now for over a decade that the club is rotten to the core
Praying for a miracle.
4.) 08 Sep 2023 14:44:58
Fallguy,
How much money do you want with me that we are not ‘lucky to finish mid table’ by the end of the season? What a crazy thing to suggest of teams that came 3rd last year, got to 2 finals and has improved in the summer.
5.) 08 Sep 2023 16:29:02
It would be a bet I’d be happy to lose. Just because we finished third last year doesn’t mean a thing this year.
Chelsea finished third in 2022 and then look at them the year after! Liverpool finished second in that same year and they fell off last year.
I want to be wrong. I hope I’m wrong. But I’m not seeing anything (yet) to prove we are in line for a top 4 battle and a trophy hunt.
You can’t guarantee we’ve improved. We’ve bought players. No guarantee they will make an improvement to the team.
6.) 08 Sep 2023 12:26:55
Exactly right, Wallace I think the club, needs to start again afresh, hoping it’s new owners come in and have total new team from top to bottom, have some sort of plan moving forward and all singing from same hymn sheet, purchases made with the plan in mind, all teams playing the same way get an identity, so every club knows how we play and it’s there job to stop it, just like City have managed to do in a relatively short space of time.
Manager moves on anytime another steps in same progression, ATM we just lurch from one catastrophe to another, nothing convinces me we have any direction on or of the field, the football style ain’t great, the acquisitions are not great, we clearly have no youngsters coming through, then problems in the camp etc etc. terrible attitudes of players.
Due diligence needs to be done competently, because clearly atm that’s not happening.
That’s why I say every department needs an overhaul
But of course to do that you need someone with very deep pockets who is prepared for the project, sadly they may only be a state ownership, who wants to use it as a promotional vehicle, but it can’t go on like this, because we are falling further behind every season that goes by.
I know most of you on here see things in your red tints but you seriously need to wake up and smell the coffee. It’s a total mess
To those of you that say we are improving be honest with yourself, how many times have you actually sat down and seen a great game from united and think wow that was fantastic…
This is not being a Debbie Downer this is being realistic, stop accusing me of not being a supporter of united, but I am not liking one bit what I am seeing, some people seem to be in a time warp.
7.) 08 Sep 2023 19:47:49
Wish my red tints could filter out commas!
8.) 09 Sep 2023 00:44:26
The issue isn’t with your opinion Maze, it’s that you feel the need to constantly write the same thing on every single post whether it is about that or not, we get that you think all the players are crap and Ten isn’t good enough, even you must be bored of typing it 200 times a day even if it is for a reaction.
29 Dec 2024 17:54:15
Really wouldn’t surprise me if United:
Loaned out Rashford for the rest of the season and supplemented his wages by 50%.
(However the 50% saved could help bring in a first team player)
Sold Garnacho for £60m to Athletico, which might fund another couple of players (first team and youth prospect)
Do, while this will never probably happen as it’s United, available finds might allow us to bring in the following in January:
Nuno Mendes LWB
Sverre Nypan AM, LHS
Mastantuano (loan back to River Plate)
29 Dec 2024 17:46:52
Good explanation Shappy.
24 Dec 2024 22:42:29
Thanks Andy.
17 Dec 2024 21:58:47
Can see Garnacho leaving also.
28 Oct 2024 15:50:25
Just read Carl Anka’s summary of Ruud’s coaching style on the Athletic: maybe a bit more controlled than ETH but similar otherwise, such as committing too many players forward and getting caught on the break. Thus be surprised if huge other, unless EtH’s alleged lack of clear communication skills was a huge problem and RVN able to communicate much more effectively.
31 Oct 2024 14:09:55
Good article Shappy.
Norcot mention all the really promising youngsters in the Under 21s and Under 18s who might also get a look in (ie Amass, Lacey, Harrison, Jackson, Gore, Kobe, Ennis, Thwaites, Fletcher, Ibragimov, Fitzgerald, Biancheri etc)
Think youth sides play with 3 at back also.
Exciting times ahead!
30 Oct 2024 11:50:10
Definite style of play, more consistent results and success in Europa League.
27 Oct 2024 17:26:23
Some really promising players in the Under 18s, seem much better than everyone else in the league.
10 Sep 2024 01:56:20
Sorry not to credit you Dracred! I copied and pasted your comment from an archive that was a thread devoid of names.
Looking promising for Liverpool this season!
08 Sep 2024 13:12:36
Not sure if your fellow posters on the Liverpool pages agree with you Otts:
Bill: “honestly a cracking young player and should have a big future ahead”
Red Flyer 69: “Fernandez is good enough to get into our first XI. Mainoo I would say the same. ”
MK Scouser: “Mainoo has great potential. ”
The wonderful Ed25: “Elliot i like but defensively not as good as Mainoo” and “come on MK, Mainoo walks into the Liverpool side mate. ”
Other posters from Liverpool page:
“hate to admit it too but Mainoo is some player. ”
“I thought he was exceptional in the FA Cup game against us and mostly came out on top on the midfield battle. Utd have a real gem on their hands with him and Garnacho. ”.