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26 Sep 2025 15:57:27
The global talent search continues.
Cristian Orozco, a very highly rated 17 year old defensive midfielder who plays for Fortaleza, in Colombia has signed a pre contract agreement and will become a United player when he turns 18, next July. A deal similar to that of Diego Leon who signed last summer.
He recently captained his country to the final at the South American U17 Championships, but were beaten by Brazil.
This drive for worldwide talent is being led by Jason Wilcox and Head of Recruitment Christopher Vivell who discovers the talent.
Even if all these signings don't become first team regulars it is hoped that a pool of talent will be created and sold to help finance new signings.
A very solid business strategy, if successful!
1.) 27 Sep 2025 09:46:14
Over the last decade we have spent over a billion on players most of which haven't even come close to being value for money. Huge fees, huge wages and underwhelming performances.
Many of these players we have ended up stuck with after they've flopped as no other clubs are willing to match their wages.
I'm not saying we shouldn't spend big on some signings, but we need a more balanced approach.
I really like the idea of scouting the world for the best young talent at academy level and looking to bring them into the club.
The signings of Sekou Kone, Ayyden Heaven, Chido Obi, Diego Leon, and Enzo Kana-Biyik have all happened under the new ownership. If even one of them becomes a regular first team player then that represents the best investment in players our club have made in over a decade. With the club having spent only a few million in total to bring them ALL into the club. While their low wages and high potential means even the ones who ultimately don't make it, we will still be able to sell them for a profit.
We have actually seen this model used at our club before the INEOS take over. We signed young players like Hannibal, Kambwala, Alvaro Fernandez, Harry Amass, Toby Collyer, the Fletcher twins, and Garnacho from other academies both in England and abroad, with us selling Hannibal, Kambwala, Fernandez, and Garnacho all for a profit. If Amass and Collyer don't make it to the level we need, then no doubt they will also sell for far more than we paid to bring them in.
With the tighter financial regulations in football this has to be seen as a sensible way to run the club both from a financial perspective and a footballing one.
It allows us to bring in some of the best young talents from around the world, players who maybe initially flit between the under 21's and the first team while they settle, they may even go out on a loan or two (look at the new role for Jonny Evans), or provide squad depth for the first team. Quality depth, who aren't being paid a fortune, and who are happier to be a rotation option.
If they take their chances then they become first team regulars, if not then after a 2-3 years we sell them at a profit and reinvest that money into the first team squad.
If every year we spend 3-5m on a handful of young academy players, but we sell 3-5 ex-academy players for 20-50m then we are making huge profits. Occasionally we will get a first team regular out of it, or maybe a player like Garnacho who has talent but isn't the right fit for us who we can sell for a huge fee on their own.
Over the past decade our best value for money transfers haven't been brought into the club through the front door with the big fanfare, but quietly slipped in through the backdoor into the academy before flourishing into the first team.
It's not the only approach we should look to do, but definitely an important one that we can and should be exploiting far more.
2.) 27 Sep 2025 10:19:42
I was confused when INEOS were banging on about this, this was United’s transfer policy for years under Fergie.
We all remember the famous remarks he made about no value in the market and then some random 20year old would turn up from some unheard of country and not last long, or be shipped off to Antwerp. Occasionally he would get one big spend like a Berbatov, van Perise or a Cole.
It wasn’t until Fergie retired that the Glazers started throwing money at the problem, obviously not their money, and it hasn’t really created a stable side and long term success.
3.) 27 Sep 2025 18:08:53
Global search for a decent manager would be a good start….
Then get the club all teams to play same way under that managers direction.
What we got now is just bordering on insanity, if this kid is special talent, he leaves, that’s 100%.
09 Aug 2025 12:06:41
The club has officially announced the signing of Benjamin Sesko, 5 year deal with a year's option.
Obviously, an element of inexperience exists, but over the past two seasons Sesko has scored the most goals of any player under the age of 23 in Europe’s top five leagues.
Wish him all the best luck in his future with us, hope for his and our sakes it is a massively successful future.
07 Aug 2025 17:35:04
Being reported that RB Leipzig have this afternoon accepted our offer for Sesko, which is approx £73.7m.
They have also given permission for him to fly over to England such that his medical may be carried out.
Should be completed pretty quickly now, the club want to introduce him to the crowd at Saturday's friendly against Fiorentina.
Could we really get Baleba as well? Think if someone said a few day's back we would be going for him I would of suggested an urgent appointment with their doctor.
Please, please make it happen.
1.) 07 Aug 2025 18:58:08
Considering how long Mbeumo took, this has been surprisingly fast, and now we are talking to Brighton about Baleba. Seems we have some urgency to get all the signings in before the beginning of the season, then spend the rest of the transfer window on sales maybe. Refreshing anyway.
2.) 07 Aug 2025 22:22:36
Newcastle made us act fast here.
3.) 08 Aug 2025 06:55:01
Are we waiting for the Barcoders to make an offer before we move? ?.
4.) 08 Aug 2025 09:04:29
My boredom was brief.
17 Jul 2025 14:53:58
According to David Ornstein we have today made a new bid for Mbuemo.
Apparently it is £65m fixed with £5m in extras. If true and they decline we must walk away. If accepted he is on the plane tomorrow.
Reckon today this whole saga ends.
1.) 17 Jul 2025 15:09:56
Fingers crossed. Wonder if Newcastle interest in Wissa has forced an offer although sure it was coming.
2.) 17 Jul 2025 15:26:05
I imagine there is some give from Brentford on payment terms that help us out.
We want to improve on negotiations and behind the scenes things will be but unfortunately clubs know our situation and PL clubs are not necessarily desperate for sales.
Hopefully we will see a few more through the door next couple of weeks.
3.) 17 Jul 2025 15:42:57
Frustrating for fans but if he’s on the plane for the USA tour then it’s job done and onto next couple of transfers hopefully. A quick double would be nice with Mbuemo and maybe the Lyon CM we’ve been linked with recently.
4.) 17 Jul 2025 15:46:57
Would not be completely surprised if it gave a little 'nudge' spenno, but if it brings resolution I am all for it.
We are not going to sign 5 or 6 new players but another 2 of good quality can make a big difference.
Don't subscribe to the linear theory that all players will just continue in the same way they were playing last season, some are much better than they performed, and some of the younger ones have got more experience, add in some decent newcomers and there is good reason to look forward to the new season.
I can't wait!
5.) 17 Jul 2025 16:44:13
Sancho agreement was the trigger.
6.) 17 Jul 2025 16:44:33
Good player, but the whole negotiation reminds me of Maguire and Leicester. At least this time we didn’t wait all summer.
But £70M for a guy with a year left is definitely us being BrENT Over.
I’m also thinking that might be us at the top of the field.
7.) 17 Jul 2025 16:57:26
Utd Road, I know you want to create this narrative but Brentford had the option to extend by a year which gave them leverage. Until we know they exact break down of the fee and payment structure £70M in today’s figures for a player who was involved in 30 G/ A last season is probably fair.
8.) 17 Jul 2025 17:34:33
Don't forget that Brentford have the option of the 1 year extension. Technically, he has 2 years left.
9.) 17 Jul 2025 17:37:45
£70m for one of the best signings we could have made. I think he’s undervalued!
10.) 17 Jul 2025 18:00:34
Hopefully this deal gets done now.
As for Newcastle's interest in Wissa, personally given the lack of options available he should be a player that we should be considering now. Only has a year left on his deal, valued between 30-40m, scored 19 goals last season and links very well with Mbeumo.
11.) 17 Jul 2025 18:10:30
He would be a great option at a fair price, and of course has a telepathic understanding with Mbeumo. But of course they're not going to give us both on a platter.
12.) 17 Jul 2025 18:42:25
I genuinely believe if Salah hadn’t have signed his extension, Liverpool would be looking at Mbuemo as his replacement.
Only problem if we can get him signed is that we will need Cameroon to not qualify for the ACON so we don’t lose him, but we need Cameroon to qualify so Onana pops off for a few weeks ?.
13.) 17 Jul 2025 22:27:01
Wissa, Vlahaovic, Watkins. All good options for No9. Oh and did I mention Rashford ?.
14.) 17 Jul 2025 23:42:46
Ports a factual narrative that you don’t like as it doesn’t fit your narrative.
We are paying exactly what Brentford asked for 3-4 weeks ago, the same value as Spurs allegedly offered.
BM is a good player but to suggest our negotiating and commercial expertise has improved is false.
I know little of BMs contract but had previously understood in general the player had to agree to any extension.
Man City, Liverpool or Chelsea would have secured a better price or paid the price when asked.
15.) 18 Jul 2025 00:40:19
Utd Road we have gotten a really good player at a fair price. Given our position that we could add Cunha and Mbeumo is great work. Our negotiating team clearly did an excellent job convincing those players that we're the best place for them.
Your assertion about those other teams is completely unprovable. Liverpool are paying 120M for Wirtz, Chelsea could pay over 80M for Mudryk and City paid 100M for Grealish.
We have two players good enough to play for any side in the league at fair value, and at reported contracts of c.150k/ w that are also fair value. If you don't see improvement then you stay in your bubble of negativity.
16.) 18 Jul 2025 05:50:12
Don, Cunha or Mbuemo would not get in regularly any of the potential top 4, whilst both very good players they are not great players, let’s not kid ourselves and take off the tints.
You moan about people being negative, but be realistic, what we seen in recent years to be optimistic about.
Even RA who I like a lot and want him badly to succeed, he not showed anything in past 6 months that actually transforms to us doing exceptionally well this coming season, if we are being realistic.
We need hell of a lot more yet, because even if we score more goals we certainly will let a lot more in.
17.) 18 Jul 2025 07:18:06
It’s not factual Utd Road, it’s an opinion.
18.) 18 Jul 2025 08:54:25
Just amazed at the responses treating this as a done deal.
19.) 18 Jul 2025 09:24:48
German, our metrics beyond goals were trending in the right direction last year. We simply didn't take our chances. Defensively, other than the GK, we have good players. I think there is far too much negativity about the standard of the squad. My viewpoint is that last year we'd half a CL level side playing with half a championship level side. And our attack was certainly the main issue.
20.) 18 Jul 2025 12:48:00
It is AM2.
15 Jul 2025 14:04:15
Well, clearly Luke Shaw has being doing some serious preparation for the season, based on pictures from training. Must of been considerable effort put in.
As we all know, the overriding issue is going to be his fitness. He was 30 a couple of day's ago so still relatively young. If he maintains the fitness then he can still contribute, even as back up for various positions.
We shall see, not exactly consumed by optimism!
1.) 15 Jul 2025 14:33:18
From what I have been reading, Amorim and his coaches have given very specific individual training plans to the players during their time off. I think a significant change going into next season will be our fitness levels.
2.) 15 Jul 2025 14:33:29
Sounds like you are to me.
3.) 15 Jul 2025 22:16:14
He's still our best LWB when fit, imo. Unpopular opinion, I know.
{Ed025's Note - has he ever been fit Noucamp?..
4.) 15 Jul 2025 22:35:48
Let's hope he has an injury free season and can be offloaded at the end of it.
5.) 15 Jul 2025 23:50:32
We've hoped for an injury free season since 2014 when he joined. The unfortunate reality is he has missed more games than he has played. He's not someone to be relied on and should have been moved on a long time ago like some of the others.
6.) 16 Jul 2025 10:18:56
He’s had a good 18 months in his entire united career
Any other top club would have got rid of him by now.
Amazes me why he is still at the club.
7.) 16 Jul 2025 12:53:55
Agree Kurtis, that has been exactly the problem, hence, let's hope this year is his year to be injury free. Not expecting a huge role from him, and if the club is smart, which they are not, they will manage him to keep him exposed sufficiently to maintain his stock and avoid injury. Then sell.
Jeez he could even get to Xmas and sell then!
8.) 16 Jul 2025 16:06:38
Guys, I'm not arguing he should still be here. My point is, rather worryingly, he is still the best we have in that position. I fully expect him to be our regular LWB.
Providing he doesn't get injured during pre-season of course ?.
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16 Oct 2025 22:23:20
The Women's team are continuing their fabulous start to the season.
Tonight was second ever game in Champions League proper, away to Atletico Madrid, Despite having a player sent off in the first half we won the game 1-0.
Whilst playing some good attacking football this season they have been excellent defensively, only 4 goals conceded in 11games played in total. Ultimately it's your defence that wins the trophies.
Seemingly, Tullis-Joyce (goalkeeper) was excellent again tonight. Biggest compliment you can give her, is that Mary Earps has not really been missed.
Let's hope they can keep this level of performance going.
Go Girl's.
15 Oct 2025 21:12:03
Well, so sad to see. Mr. Manchester United has passed away!
The day after the Champions League final of 1999 a mega fan (somewhat hungover) from Bulgaria by the name of Zdravkov Levidzhov decided to change his name by deed poll to Manchester United.
Initially the authorities refused to allow this to happen and so began a 15 year battle to achieve his desired wish.
In 2014 he eventually got his wish, he officially became Manchester Zdravkov Levidzhov-United.
In 2011 he had a tattoo of the club badge made on the top of his head and in 2014, with the help of the Sun newspaper a private tour to the Theatre of Dreams was arranged. He was so overcome when he walked into the player's changing room he burst into tears.
His home in Bulgaria was very much covered in club memorabilia. He was quite the local celebrity with many visitors.
Whilst we hear the stories of 'tourist supporters' and the effect they have on ticket prices and seat availability we need to remember that many of these fan's are massively committed to the club. I doubt Mr United spent much of his time on fan websites constantly complaining, moaning and criticising every aspect of the club.
RIP Mr. United, 62 is to young to go, if you can try for a kick about with Georgie, Bobby and Denis.
1.) 16 Oct 2025 11:21:39
Nice piece.
08 Oct 2025 21:47:27
A few weeks back I posted about Shea Lacey having watched him playing for U21s and scoring a couple of goals, while being the best player on the pitch.
I see that he was invited to join the senior England squad in their latest training session. Clearly others think him a fine prospect as well.
As we know the club recently spent some £50m on updating facilities at Carrington and more recently some £10m on the Women's facilities.
This spending is set to continue with further investment of some £10m in the Academy infrastructure, this being a continuation of the stated intent to raise standards to an elite level. Along with the youth signings made over the last year or so hopefully we will start to see some results in the not to distant future.
1.) 09 Oct 2025 15:16:43
I'm a bit concerned about the direction of the academy upgrade. It feels like the intention might be to turn it into more of a conveyor belt for talent to be sold, similar to the models we've seen at Manchester City and Chelsea. While we might see the occasional player break into the first team, the underlying strategy could be more commercially driven.
In his interview he said "You need the academy to be producing talent all the time. It helps you financially"
This could be interpreted in two ways:
It helps financially by reducing the need to buy players, because we're developing quality talent internally. Or, it helps financially by producing players to sell for profit.
Given that both our U18s and U21s are currently outperforming the first team, there's clearly talent in the pipeline. But based on SJR’s track record so far, I’d lean toward the second interpretation.
2.) 09 Oct 2025 17:33:19
Kurtis what is SJR's track record? Under him there have been cuts to wages but they have invested in the team - as he said was needed. I think you are reading far too much into this. It's not one of those two interpretations. It obviously is both, just like it is for City for instance.
3.) 09 Oct 2025 18:21:47
Kurtis I think its a combination of both.
They are running a business so the academy has to deliver good returns on investment. That will allow them to invest in other areas of the business. An academy and scouting network that both help save money and generate potentially very high returns is fundamental to the business plan of all the biggest clubs.
Profitable trading of assets is a very credible way of providing internal investment for other areas of the business. We need to become self sufficient again.
United had 22 academy graduates in epl squads 5 seasons ago. I think only 6 were in our squad and we didn't profit greatly on many of them. Fulham had 7 and had made over 60m in sales.
Breaking into the 1st team is not easy.
We do have a few on loan now and a couple of standouts in the academy if 2 or 3 make it into the 1st team over the next 2 years that's a huge success and unless we get a good return on the 15 that don't make it every year the academy becomes a drain on finances instead of a contributer.
Keep the cream of the crop and move the others on at good profit. That's the best model. Some will come back to bite you on the ass but that's OK.
If you make a decision for the right reasons at the time, that then turns into a bad decision in hidsight 2 years down the line it doesn't mean you didn't do the right thing at the time.
Everybody loves seeing one of the academylads come through especially local lads I've seen AJH say that. But the truth is if there is 25 in your year less than 5% of those will play over 50 games for the 1st team.
We have 3 keepers and strikers minimum every year or 2 go through the academy. How many academy keepers or strikers have played over 50 1st team games since 1990? 4 cbs ever couple of years how many have played 50 1st team games since 1990?
Tiny minority. Lots have had great careers in the league but not with us. We never made the money we should have from those guys imo.
4.) 09 Oct 2025 21:16:44
Kurtis, that is a somewhat skewed way of looking at things and I think much misrepresents the actuality.
In a perfect world all first team players would be graduates of the academy, but here in the real world that is certainly not going to happen. If a steady supply of 2 or 3 youngsters are regularly making the first team it would be a considerable success.
This of course would leave a large number of academy players not making it (with us) and the issue is then how do they progress their careers. If the quality of the academy is good enough then they hopefully can be sold to decent clubs for reasonable fees, obviously suiting all parties. This additional revenue would help fund incoming transfers.
This is not improving the academy just to sell the best players but an improvement to give more players better opportunities long term.
Surely this has to be seen as the right approach.
5.) 09 Oct 2025 22:53:18
I completely take your points — and I do agree that having a strong academy inevitably means not every player will end up in the first team. Selling good young players who can’t quite make the step up is a natural part of a healthy football ecosystem.
Maybe I didn't articulate myself well, my concern is less about the fact that players will be sold, and more about the underlying intent guiding the academy’s direction. If the core philosophy becomes primarily about generating revenue rather than developing talent for the club’s own long-term competitiveness, that’s where I think we risk losing the balance.
There’s a difference between an academy that produces players who sometimes get sold and an academy designed to produce players to sell. The former supports the first team; the latter supports the balance sheet. The line can be subtle, but the outcomes over time are very different.
6.) 10 Oct 2025 11:19:47
95% of the academy are sold or moved on, that is nothing new. The class of 92 were a once in a clubs life’s exception.
7.) 10 Oct 2025 15:44:38
Kurtis, I do not for one second accept your premise that the core philosophy of the academy will be income generation over and above talent development for the first team.
There is absolutely nothing to give any reason to formulate that hypothesis. I realise you always seem to look for negativity, even when it does not exist, but if you for one second think that the Academy management, coaches and trainers would operate on that basis then I am afraid you are wrong.
From knowing someone associated with the academy I certainly feel there is a desire by all concerned to develop some of the top talents we have, into first team regulars.
Remember, from a purely financial standpoint the value of a player making it to the first team is most likely to exceed what would be received, by way of way of transfer fee, for a player sold. Incentive enough surely to continue with things as they are.
08 Oct 2025 22:26:55
Big congratulations to the Women's team, first game in Champions League proper tonight and began with a win.
Go Girl's!
21 Sep 2025 16:52:58
Just watched the U21s, away at Liverpool in the league, we went 0-1 down. Chido Obi equalised at end of first half and we got a winner late on.
Don't care at what level, always good to beat them. That's 4 games played and 4 won in the league.
Talked about Shea Lacy before now and he was playing today, he's only 18 but had a very good second half and really stood out as being technically very gifted. Certainly one for the future.
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26 Sep 2025 15:01:38
Couple of days ago it was reported that FdJ has agreed a new contract with Barce until 2029 on reduced wages.
Given his known desire to stay at Camp Nou, on a scale of nought to a thousand on the credibility scale I would struggle to give this rumour a score of more than 2.
07 Aug 2025 19:46:34
Quite simple in their eyes, they are selling Jackson and buying Garnacho, everyone thinks what they sell is worth more than it really is and what they buy worth less than is being asked.
Ultimately you can ask what you want for anything, doesn't mean you will get it.
The only true arbiter of value is the marketplace, let's see what happens.
30 Jul 2025 19:14:30
It's rumoured that Sesko has a clause in his contract whereby his transfer fee is a reduced if an 'elite' named club (we are one of the named) approach.
Seemingly a bid of approx £70m would be the amount needed.
Vivell has flown back from the tour and of course his previous association with Leipzig should give him an inside knowledge.
It seems Vivell is pushing very hard for Sesko over Watkins.
We shall see. Clearly Watkins would be expected to have a greater impact short term, but Sesko has a much, much higher potential ceiling. Of course Cunha and Mbeumo are both proven at Premier League level so playing with those two much reduces the risk associated with a young player in a new league.
I personally hope we go for Sesko, anyway, who's to say he will struggle initially? he might hit the ground running and there is no absolute guarantee Watkins will deliver.
19 Jul 2025 10:05:35
He is not going to be sold, a loan to a Championship team is the intention.
They want him playing regularly, he needs this to happen as physicality is his issue, not ability.
He is still highly regarded at the club. Indeed one of the reasons Alvaro Carreras was allowed to leave was that the club felt that Amass had a higher potential ability ceiling. Also, it needs to be remembered that Alvaro requested a transfer and the club would not want to keep a youngster who expressed a desire to leave.
18 Jul 2025 20:40:32
He's going on loan I believe.
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15 Oct 2025 22:38:06
In fairness to Singh and his original post, he was quite right saying it was Scholes who said those things. As it turns out Schmeichel did also say things about Rasmus, which were carried by the BBC today.
15 Oct 2025 16:20:51
Yes, Sesko looked good against Sunderland, especially first half, but why? ask yourself the question. It was because he got a lot of service. Also it was crystal clear Lammens had been instructed to go long and not just play short all the time and given that Ben is 6'5''that play's to one of his strengths.
Let's not forget in his first few games he was getting criticism from all the so called 'experts' and being compared to Rasmus. Then give him plenty of the ball and hey he looked good, strange eh!
More than any other player on the pitch your striker is dependent upon his teammates and without that support they will fail.
I have no doubt if Rasmus was playing for a team that produced opportunities he will score a decent amount of goals.
Singh, you refer to Zirkzee, I think he was injured during a part of the summer, hindering a potential sale, and there is much talk that he will leave in Jan.
15 Oct 2025 15:20:17
He had a decent first season. He scored 16 goals in total, 10 League, 5 Champions League and 1 FA Cup. A reasonable return for a 20/ 21 yr old in his first season in a new league and it was widely held the service he received was very much sub par.
In his second season his performances were much poorer and his goals return very poor. However, the service he received was much worse than his first season, indeed it was basically non-existent. He was totally hung out to dry, playing every game with no support or service.
How on earth was he supposed to flourish under those conditions? It was a no win situation for him and throughout his attitude was exemplary, no moaning or complaining just a desire to succeed. Remember he did not want to leave and was pretty much forced out.
While Scholes is quite capable of talking nonsense at times, there is some truth to what he said, although I think we were right to go for Sesko, but we should of kept Hojlund so they could of helped each other and provided competition for each other. I think we should have 2 strikers available and Zirkzee is more of a No 10.
Singh, I disagree with your assessment of Hojlund and think you need to look a bit deeper before being so dismissive.
10 Oct 2025 15:44:38
Kurtis, I do not for one second accept your premise that the core philosophy of the academy will be income generation over and above talent development for the first team.
There is absolutely nothing to give any reason to formulate that hypothesis. I realise you always seem to look for negativity, even when it does not exist, but if you for one second think that the Academy management, coaches and trainers would operate on that basis then I am afraid you are wrong.
From knowing someone associated with the academy I certainly feel there is a desire by all concerned to develop some of the top talents we have, into first team regulars.
Remember, from a purely financial standpoint the value of a player making it to the first team is most likely to exceed what would be received, by way of way of transfer fee, for a player sold. Incentive enough surely to continue with things as they are.
09 Oct 2025 21:16:44
Kurtis, that is a somewhat skewed way of looking at things and I think much misrepresents the actuality.
In a perfect world all first team players would be graduates of the academy, but here in the real world that is certainly not going to happen. If a steady supply of 2 or 3 youngsters are regularly making the first team it would be a considerable success.
This of course would leave a large number of academy players not making it (with us) and the issue is then how do they progress their careers. If the quality of the academy is good enough then they hopefully can be sold to decent clubs for reasonable fees, obviously suiting all parties. This additional revenue would help fund incoming transfers.
This is not improving the academy just to sell the best players but an improvement to give more players better opportunities long term.
Surely this has to be seen as the right approach.