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10 Mar 2020 09:24:42
Some interesting comments from Timo Werner today regarding the prospect of joining a team that's already competing or being part of something new. He supposedly name-checks us when talking about the latter.

It's possible that he only mentioned us to drum up interest and improve any potential offers he might receive from Pool, Bayern or City, but if he really does see some value in being a part of a rebuild, it certainly gives the management something to think about.

He looks like a very good player and would certainly add to the team although I expect he's Liverpool bound:

Any interest from United, Ed002?


{Ed002's Note - Timo Werner (S) RBL know of the interest of Chelsea who consider TW as a suitable replacement for Giroud - but they have other preferred options. Manchester United, Bayern Munich and Atletico Madrid remain keen - but this could change quickly depending on other targets clubs have - for example, if by some chance MU were able to sign a particular Free Agent or Ighalo for the summer then interest in TW would go - equally if other clubs were not able to sign their targets, interest in TW might increase. Atletico signing Cavani would likely kill off their interest. There is clearly interest from Klopp, but would Timo Werner be interested in a move to sit on the bench at Liverpool most of the time? If the answer is yes, or if Firmino is leaving then it makes sense. Many of the fans expect Klopp to add all of these players without anyone leaving and then completely change tactics and rotate them - it makes zero sense and the club has to meet Home Grown quotas as well. PSG are concerned about being shunned by Icardi and have looked at TW but have not declared any interest. Mr Mourinho is keen for Spurs to take him but there are concerns about the cost. The interest of Dortmund has gone with the signing of Haarland - but could return in the summer if Real Madrid could prise Haaland away. Bayern Munich were never going to do business in January and played down all transfer talk but there is no doubt that Robert Lewandowski, who will be 32 at the start of next season, is going to need replacing in the next 18 months - and the plan had always been that it would be Timo Werner - they could yet look to do something or perhaps suggest he waits another year at RBL who have offered a new contract. Last summer there was an approach from PSG who wanted Werner as a Cavani replacement - in the end Cavani stayed and they took Icardi on loan. The player has always said he wants to play for Manchester United one day but a move last summer was not possible and then Werner said he wanted tp play for Bayern Munich over all others. Now after a potential illegal approach he clearly wants to join Liverpool - the riot act has been read to him over public statements by both his club and Red Bull who are seeing him become a bigger and bigger jerk - and this constant talking about other sides will remove the interest of clubs like Chelsea who see it as unacceptable as he becomes more and more of a jerk. There was a third party trying to negotiate for a BM move last summer but they were a long way apart on price and RBL looked to extend. As BM were expected to need Werner this coming summer, a release clause was agreed with his new contract that would make him available at a low fee so RBL would keep him another year and then he could move to Bayern Munich next summer.}

1.) 10 Mar 2020 10:36:13
Wow, amazing detail thank you!

2.) 10 Mar 2020 11:07:32
Thanks as always, Ed.

Dries Mertens and Ighalo being looked at suggests that the club sees Martial, Rashford and Greenwood as the club’s future strike force and so are only looking for a short term solution while Greenwood grows into his game.

Martial and Rashford’s stats this season have been pretty impressive and Greenwood definitely looks like he could become a very good player. I wouldn’t say no to Werner and think he’d do a better job than Ighalo or Mertens whilst offering a long term solution if it’s decided that Greenwood or Martial aren’t upto scratch in a few years time, but our midfield and RW seem like much higher priorities.

{Ed002's Note - There is also interest in Dembele. You can almost certainly scratch Mertens subject to the issues currently hitting Italy being resolved, although the clubs are assuming it will be with Inter in London yesterday and today working on transfers for a couple of players. If the problems go away Mertens will likely sign a new deal. Ighalo would likely be open to providing cover on a more permanent basis.}

3.) 10 Mar 2020 11:11:06
Ed002, if I might ask, is the free agent MU are looking at in the summer Cavani?

{Ed002's Note - No, it is Mertens.}

4.) 10 Mar 2020 11:52:45
Thank you for the reply.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}



23 Aug 2019 10:17:25
A little confused by Ole's stance re Sanchez. Less than two weeks ago he was telling journalists that they would be surprised with how much he features this season and today he announces that the club are still actively trying to get rid of him. He needs to learn that sometimes it's best to say nothing.


{Ed002's Note - I have explained the situation - it is about money and finding a taker. If that happens then he goes - but the club has to have the stomach to take a significant loss and his wages stay on the books. Ignore what OGS says.}

1.) 23 Aug 2019 20:54:49
Redseven ole is full of crap in his press conferences. All managers are.
You could pick holes in any of their statements as they often contradict themselves week after week. In fact they often do it in the same conference.
Ignore the lot of them. Its all BS lapped up by the gullible.

2.) 23 Aug 2019 20:04:47

I get the feeling that OGS is playing the role of good cop.

3.) 23 Aug 2019 21:46:24
Come on guys. Most of us think Sanchez need to leave including the manager and the club. Even if there is a player there, the fact Inter and Roma are in tells us what level he is at best. He’s passed it and it’s tine he left.

4.) 24 Aug 2019 11:22:16
Inter Milan are in the champions league. Not a bad level to be at.

5.) 24 Aug 2019 11:56:08
True that angel.

6.) 26 Aug 2019 15:37:26
It never ceases to amaze me how much faith and credence is put on what managers say to the media.



02 Sep 2014 12:25:08
Didn't think we'd be seeing any rumours so soon after the window shut - but slyspurts are reporting that a deal for Cleverley to go on loan to Aston Villa was agreed late last night and that the club are confident it went through in time.


1.) Hi Eds, its not easy to understand the terms of the Falcao loan deal. The option to buy for £50m next year dosent make any financial sense for a 29 year old. Surely EdWW will turn round and spend £50m elsewhere? I hope that's not the case, because i'd rather support the player properly in the next 4-5 years.

Have Monaco gone to any lengths to protect themselves from Falcao's depreciation over the next year? The £6m loan fee and £25million -( rvp's price at 29) next year is £30m.
£10m less than the ~£40m they can still demand at 28 years of age.

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to get in to the finances and someone has been misleading you with these numbers.}

2.) Lets hope so.Useless never utd quality

3.) FA have approved it. Option for Villa to buy for £7.5m in January.



31 Aug 2014 22:09:15
Guillem Balague seems to think that there is a deal in place which will see Negredo head to Valencia on loan and that City will look to sign Falcao to replace him. It's unclear at this point whether Real intend to increase their offer (which was originally a loan deal with a view to a permanent move) or whether Chico is being targeted as a cheap alternative.

Tancredi Palmeri seems to be the one reporting that we've put in a bid for Falcao - although he has been wrong on numerous transfers in the past. According to him, a loan deal was agreed between Real and Monaco but City came in with a bid of €40m upfront which lead to Monaco going back on their deal with Real. We then put in a bid for the player earlier this evening.

Apparently the player has ruled out moves to Arsenal and Juventus already and prefers a move to Real Madrid (he's mentioned his dream of playing for Real on numerous occasions). I suspect that Real will end up matching Manchester City's offer and he will end up there - but this is certainly an interesting scenario for tomorrow.

I'm not sure if there's any truth to any of this and am just passing on what Tancredi Palmeri and Guillem Balague have said online and on Revista De La Liga respectively.




31 Aug 2014 15:12:32
Ed002 - Do you know if we still have a interest in Cavani? I'd be very surprised if we moved for him - but with us potentially looking at signing a striker I figure he may be an option.


{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath.}




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14 Mar 2020 01:39:46
For anybody in need of a chuckle during these trying times, the Liverpool page is a goldmine right now (as are the comments sections for pretty much every story about the situation on Facebook) .

You can actually see people at various stages of the grieving process. Many are adamant that the season will continue at the start of next month, others are angry that the FA chose to suspend fixtures rather than play them behind closed doors and some are hoping that the FA and UEFA will cancel other competitions to give this season's league the chance to conclude (the best I've seen in this regard is that all cup competitions and next season's league should be cancelled in order to play the remaining 9 games next year) . Then there are one or two who are nearing the end of the process and have reverted to that classic Liverpool line. 'Next year will be our year. '.

There'll be rioting in Liverpool next month. God only knows what will happen when the FA actually cancel the league.


1.) 14 Mar 2020 08:27:51
We should be in the Champions League next season because . everybody knows we would have won the Europa League this year. 😂😂😂😂.

{Ed047's Note - yeah and we’re nailed on for 4th! 🤣



12 Mar 2020 13:42:42
Looks like the season is all but over. It's now just a question of 'when' rather than 'if'.

With any luck, we can get through to next week and beat Spurs while hoping for Villa to pull a rabbit out of the hat against Chelsea.

I'd take 4th place and Liverpool not winning the league with some joy.


1.) 12 Mar 2020 17:35:25
Shame neither will happen for you.

2.) 12 Mar 2020 23:54:03
are you getting worried rd it could be another 30 years.

3.) 13 Mar 2020 03:48:37
No not worried in the slightest.

4.) 13 Mar 2020 03:56:54
Leicester and Chelsea players now confirmed to have the virus and with Arteta infected, it’s probable that the Arsenal squad are also infected.

I really don’t see how the season can continue and as the virus doesn’t seem to be going away anytime soon, I really don’t see how the season can be completed.

As Liverpool have not been crowned champions yet, they should not be given the title. Even if the FA do decide to award them the title, there will always be a little asterisk next to it in the record books.

Maybe next year will be your year, RD ;)

On a serious note, I hope those infected recover. Some things are more important than football and health is one of them.



15 May 2019 02:50:19
Sly Sports reporting that if City were to receive a Champions League ban this season and Arsenal were to win the Europa League, we would be given City's Champions league spot.

Not sure how much merit there is to this idea as it's seemingly new ground and City will no doubt appeal which would probably push the ban into the following season, but that would be embarrassing if it came to pass.

Don't get me wrong, if City are found to have cheated the system, they should be punished, but to be playing in the Champions League next season based on our season would be farcical.


1.) 15 May 2019 13:10:43
Cheated or not, we do not deserve to be in CL with this timid mindset when playing. I would rather give it to Wolves who are far more adventurous and a greater unit as a team.

2.) 15 May 2019 17:30:24
Wolves finished below us. If City went out and someone else was to be awarded it, we would deserve it. The league is meaningless otherwise.

Disclaimer: This does not mean I think we're a great team or that we deserve Champions League over the teams above us.

{Ed002's Note - No, it is not going to happen and there is no precedent for this.}

3.) 15 May 2019 19:29:33
That’s why I said “if”. I was dealing with the hypothetical. Of course it’s not actually going to happen.



25 Apr 2019 15:50:50
It's shaping up to be a very interesting summer. The only players that I can say will remain at the club with any certainty are Sanchez due to his terrible performances and ridiculous wages and Dalot, Lindelof, McTominay, Shaw, Romero and Lingard. Fred will probably get another season to prove himself too, but other than that it seems to be fair game.

Martial is unlikely to go but could still be on his way due to his poor performances and attitude this season and Valencia, Bailey, Rojo and Darmian seem to have been earmarked as surplus. If we really want to be playing at a high level, Young, Jones and Smalling should follow.

Mata and Herrera seem likely to leave on free transfers and Rashford, DDG, Lukaku and Pogba seem to all want out.

I expect we will hold onto a few of those players so as not to upset the balance of the squad any more than is needed, but there are 14 first team players that I wouldn't be at all surprised to see leave. That's insane. I think we're in for some dark times (more so than the ones prior to SAF leaving) .

What's more worrying is that there isn't a single player at the club who I would genuinely be disappointed to lose.

For the longest time that was DDG, but he clearly doesn't want to be here anymore and it's starting to affect his performances. Likewise, players like Pogba, Martial and Rashford have the potential to be world beaters, but due to their poor attitudes look unlikely to realize that potential at United. The rest, as nice as they may be, haven't done enough to suggest they will ever be as good as some of the great players that we've seen over the past few decades. Maybe VL - but it will take more than a good six months to convince me.

How has this been allowed to happen in just five or six years?


1.) 25 Apr 2019 16:40:27
At this stage of the season no one knows our best starting 11 not even the manager, and last night an hour before the teams were announced, our starting lineup was leaked not that it made a difference but where did it come from.
And just to dampen things that little bit more the first time since 1962 we lost 7 out of 9 games and I bet redman can't even remember that.
Players, managers, chairman none of them at the races.
All I know is that it's going to be a long road ahead.
Anyone have something positive to add, I'd love to hear it.

2.) 25 Apr 2019 17:02:41
Bailly is not for sale but the rest of yhe players you are suggesting are sellable.

3.) 25 Apr 2019 17:05:30
Agree with all of your post apart from having lingard with the remains. I honestly do not see what he offers us, he doesn’t score he doesn’t create. He runs around a lot I do see that.

4.) 25 Apr 2019 16:52:06
whatever end. Where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have passed like rain on the mountains. Like wind in the meadow. The days have gone down in the West, behind the hills, into Shadow. How did it come to this?

5.) 25 Apr 2019 17:50:59
Now mort thanks, I like that.

6.) 25 Apr 2019 19:01:59
We are not in a good spot that's for sure.
But every cloud has a silver lining.
This summer we should rid ourselves if at least 6 or 8 of this squad.
No top 4 ddg and pogs are gone for sure. Valencia mata herrera will have no contracts and surely rojo and darmian will be sold.
As you say there are question marks over lukaku jones bailly and sanchez.
We simply can't sell everyone this summer.
As my friend leahy says its going to be a long road. I can't wait for the season to end so that we can begin a new one. Like 99.99% of you all i'm signed up for life and it doesn't matter how difficult things become we will always stand up for o your club.
I want to see the club wrestled back from these waste of space players that play for themselves think only of themselves and have no respect for anybody but themselves.

7.) 25 Apr 2019 19:43:27

Ha, no I don’t remember 1962, only from 1968. However, I am surprised the stat is from before the relegation season and the couple of seasons running up to it.

8.) 25 Apr 2019 20:47:59
September and October 1962 redman,
I'm surprised as well redman.
Red some time if we ever meet I'd love to hear your stories about united in the late 60s and 70s,
Can only go back to remembering the 80s myself. I'll even buy you a coffee.

{Ed007's Note -


9.) 25 Apr 2019 21:10:06
Bond lol your invited, we could write a book if you came along.

{Ed007's Note - I think the Hindus have covered that with the Kama Sutra but you get tore in lad.}

10.) 25 Apr 2019 21:37:49

Ha, Lots of stories, the seventies were so so different for Manchester as a city and the club. I will never forget being in the stands when Law back heeled that ball for City in 1974 or later in the seventies walking down the tunnel (when it was in the middle of the pitch) right behind Steve Coppell (who was last out) after I was let in to the dressing room area. You could hear the roar of the crowd as the players would hear it.
Perhaps many of us should meet up, over to the Ed’s to arrange, may need bouncers for some though!

{Ed007's Note - Ed001 & Ed002 and some of the lads from the Liverpool site hold an annual charity match that anyone can take part in but it sounds a bit like a bunch of Suvern Softies meet up to drink shandies, compare their fake tan, EA7 clothes, BMWs and shout "BREXIT MEANS BREXIT" - I wasn't invited after I asked if we could sing The Rebs and bring pyro. #NoPyroNoParty
Seriously though if any of you want to get in contact with each other for pint Ed033 (The Pimp Daddy) can put you in contact with each other. Ed004 can be the bouncer, he's from across the water and on the steroids.}

11.) 25 Apr 2019 21:42:15
Leahy its from Lord of the Rings.

12.) 25 Apr 2019 22:51:05
Didn't know that mort even though I watched it, we need no bouncers we are all grown men, well I seen Ken and he is only about 4ft5😊,
But it would be nice if we arranged something for next season.

13.) 25 Apr 2019 23:00:22
I wqnted to play but think i might be too late for this year. Best of luck guys to those involved.



31 Aug 2017 09:03:05
Anybody looking for something to brighten their day should go and check out the Liverpool page.

Just in case the fact that many of their fans still consider the club to be the best team in England wasn't a clear indicator of their inability to count; there's an interesting thread discussing how to fit their new signings into the team in which somebody suggests a 3-5-4 formation - going into far too much detail for it to be a joke.

The icing on the cake is where another poster points out the idiocy by questioning whether 12 players would now be allowed by the F. A.


1.) 31 Aug 2017 11:10:39
I think the 12 players comment was a joke something your shower don't seem to quite comprehend. the original comment was indeed idiocy at its finest 😂.

2.) 31 Aug 2017 12:09:07
What a useless post by redseven. The replies to that thread were all sarcastic because one poster could not count. Why do u say 'their'? Or do u feel the need to call other people idiots or illiterate just because they support LFC? You wanna entertain yourself, go out and see what the outside world has to offer.
Oh yeah, and no LFC fan considers LFC to be the best in England. We just expect to challenge for the title if we sign Lemar and VVD, otherwise a top4 finish looks the best bet. Get your facts right before spouting dog turd.

3.) 31 Aug 2017 12:43:04
Wow feeling sore there boys. Is it the realisation of almost 30 years without a league title sinking in. No challenge this season either.

4.) 31 Aug 2017 13:16:35
John Barnes; the 12 players comment was a joke - but the fact that the poster had once again failed to use basic addition (3 + 5 + 4 + a goalkeeper is 13) was anything but intentional!

5.) 31 Aug 2017 14:52:47
If the sign vvd then they can challenge. But city and Chelsea are better.
Aoc signing is a joke and especially at that price.




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26 Mar 2020 13:06:26
I read that it’s a 4 year deal and think he’d be mad not to take it.

I’ve been impressed with what I’ve seen of him since he came to the club and would be happy if he stayed with us next season, but let’s be honest, once Rashford is fit again it’s likely that he’ll be a bit part player for us.

When it comes to players over 30, we seem very reluctant to offer more than 2 year contracts.

If it comes down to choosing between being a superstar in China and earning more than £80m over the next 4 seasons or earning just over £12m while barely playing for us over the next two seasons, I think he’d be a fool not to take it.

I understand that it was always his dream to play for us and respect that he took a cut in wages to make that happen, but the money being offered by SS could keep his extended family in riches for the next few centuries.




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10 Mar 2020 11:07:32
Thanks as always, Ed.

Dries Mertens and Ighalo being looked at suggests that the club sees Martial, Rashford and Greenwood as the club’s future strike force and so are only looking for a short term solution while Greenwood grows into his game.

Martial and Rashford’s stats this season have been pretty impressive and Greenwood definitely looks like he could become a very good player. I wouldn’t say no to Werner and think he’d do a better job than Ighalo or Mertens whilst offering a long term solution if it’s decided that Greenwood or Martial aren’t upto scratch in a few years time, but our midfield and RW seem like much higher priorities.


{Ed002's Note - There is also interest in Dembele. You can almost certainly scratch Mertens subject to the issues currently hitting Italy being resolved, although the clubs are assuming it will be with Inter in London yesterday and today working on transfers for a couple of players. If the problems go away Mertens will likely sign a new deal. Ighalo would likely be open to providing cover on a more permanent basis.}



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29 Jan 2020 01:47:12
Rock the red - his wife might fancy being a beach warmer in Barcelona though.




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12 Dec 2019 00:54:03
Hi Ed. Thanks for the info. As always, it’s very much appreciated.

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I’m a little confused by your attitude towards coaches.

When fans wanted Moyes, LVG and later Mourinho to be replaced, you branded them toxic, but I have seen you post a few times that you think OGS should be replaced. I’m curious how you come to this assessment.

Performances and results were not great under Moyes, Mourinho and LVG, but at least with OGS we have occasionally seen good attacking performances. The others also had more time before fans started to get in their backs. Is it your view that established coaches should be given more time to succeed regardless of results and performances (and that OGS simply isn’t good enough), or was it the manner in which some fans were calling for managers to be removed that lead to you calling them ‘toxics’?


{Ed002's Note - MU have a generally ill-informed and toxic fan base who know little about how the club is run yet make embarrassing and irrational attacks on individuals which make them a laughing stock. They have driven out coaches with their hate and have now ended up with someone who is simply not up to the job. The fans are largely responsible for the downfall of the club over recent years and deserve the situation the club is now in. You reap what you sow.}



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06 Aug 2019 10:37:24
I quite enjoy the chaos of the transfer window. Providing we end up with the right players once the window has shut, I’m happy to go along for the ride.

I’d still be happy with Dybala providing he cane for the right reasons and gave his all. I can’t blame the lad for looking for a big pay check, but am a little worried by how big the numbers we are hearing are.





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25 May 2020 09:16:06
I can see the season restarting and then being cancelled after a week or two once rates soar.




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05 Apr 2020 15:54:34
I hope the club’s actions will be taken into account if it comes down to a vote as to whether or not they are handed the title once the season has been scrapped. I feel a little sorry for their fans as I’d be mortified if United tried to pull something like this.




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28 Mar 2020 17:26:10
I’ve never encountered anybody so in need of being right (and quite frankly, full of sh*t) as you, Shappy.

It was on March 9th (feel free to check the ‘Banter 9’ page if you’re having trouble remembering) that you were telling us all how people were overreacting and that the coronavirus would be no worse than seasonal flu.

“ If every single person in the UK gets it, then around 6400 people will die at most.

This year in the UK
160k will die from Heart disease
140k will die from Cancer
62k will die from respiratory illnesses
2k will die in road traffic accidents
1500 will die as victims of crime”

For the love of god, please stick to your usual drivel of criticism Jose and praising Ole, because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.




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24 Mar 2020 09:32:02
Salford; whilst the amounts may be small relative to their total earnings, at least they’re giving something. If everybody of working age gave 10-20% of their weekly pay to charity it would equate to considerably more than a few top tier footballers doing so.




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14 Mar 2020 13:01:12
We still have intolerable fans now, Ed. Call it schadenfreud if you must, but I’m enjoying seeing the Liverpool fans going into meltdown just as much as they enjoyed seeing our club collapse in the post Ferguson era.