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17 Jul 2022 14:15:08
Question for Ed002 if you're around. Any chance of us making a move for Depay this summer if Ronaldo leaves?
{Ed002's Note - No he is heading elsewhere.}
1.) 17 Jul 2022 16:06:42
Where?
2.) 17 Jul 2022 16:55:07
Looks to maybe be Spurs?
3.) 17 Jul 2022 17:14:28
I would assume Spurs Fireman.
4.) 17 Jul 2022 18:10:12
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5.) 17 Jul 2022 23:41:54
Thanks, Ed. Think he’s ready for the EPL now, so can see him being a bit of a bargain for somebody. Shame it won’t be us. A front three of Rashford, Sancho, and Depay could be interesting. I’d much rather him than Anthony.
6.) 18 Jul 2022 09:42:13
He’s had two cracks at playing at an elite level with us and Barcelona and been found wanting. Plus the whole circus show that follows him. Not for me.
7.) 18 Jul 2022 13:45:17
If ever there was a player to sign for spurs it's Memphis, dunno why but he is the most spurs like player ever??.
31 Aug 2021 13:57:00
Martial to PSG rumors starting to come in. Could be a good move for all involved.
{Ed077's Note - except PSG 😂😂. Although I would think it improbable at this stage of the window
1.) 31 Aug 2021 14:04:42
Really depends on whether Real come back with another bid for Mbappe. One has to suspect that PSG are hoping that they will though. I know they’re rolling in cash and Mbappe is a top player, but €180m + wages is a ridiculous amount to pay/ lose for the sake of one more season. If he goes, I can see them scrambling to spend the money on Martial and/ or Pogba, which may allow us to bring in a MF. Mendez is apparently working on the deal as an intermediary, although apparently we’re not overly keen.
2.) 31 Aug 2021 15:40:06
Did Tony start those rumors?
3.) 31 Aug 2021 19:05:23
Martial has more chance of signing for Melchester Rovers today than PSG. Sulkychops is here to stay sadly. Frustrating as we know there’s a talented lad there. Just doesn’t show it anywhere often enough!
4.) 31 Aug 2021 19:32:13
I can only see Martial playing in the league cup and fa cup this year unless we have a lot of injuries.
If we want a chance of winning anything this year the left side has to be rotated between Pogba and Rashford, the right between Greenwood and Sancho, the number 10 between Fernandes and maybe Lingard and CF between Ronaldo and Cavani. Rotating these players in each position doesn't significantly alter the quality in my eyes, it is CM that the issue still is.
McFred isn't ideal but it gets the best out of Pogba being on the left and let's the front 4 and full backs do what they do going forward, well maybe not AWB so much.
We always look worse with Pogba in the centre or when Matic comes in which is why we needed an upgrade there, however it was a pretty good window so hopefully CM will be addressed in Jan or next Summer 🤞🤷â€â™‚ï¸.
5.) 01 Sep 2021 02:35:07
The front 4 options are incredible, and you didn't mention DvdB, Amad, Elanga, Martial. Crazy.
Lindelof and Bailly as reserve CBs
Our squad is stacked.
I actually like McT and Fred surrounded by this team, I am concerned when they can't play. I HOPE McTom and DvdB play together and create something new, I can see Scotty having the physicality height and field coverage to play well with Donny. He needs to be a bit more disciplined.
I think we will suprise a few non believers this year, we could pull it off. The league is very strong, be tough for anyone to win this year.
6.) 01 Sep 2021 17:55:51
I just don't see DVDB getting much league and CL game time again for whatever reason Dodgy, and Amad and Elanga will only be cup players on the whole I think and won't get many league or CL run outs.
I agree those 3 are very good players and add to the rest nicely, I just included the players I see playing plenty of league and CL games. Hopefully Martial isn't one of them, unless he stops being a moody, sulky baby and puts the required effort in.
07 Apr 2021 11:43:01
Question for Ed002, if you're around.
You mentioned recently that we may look to a more experienced striker like Benzema this summer as a stop gap of sorts and I was wondering if Aguero may be an option in that regard.
Reports today are suggesting that he wants to stay in the Premier League and would consider offers from Chelsea or Spurs. I'm aware of the animosity between United and City, but surely we could afford to pay more than either club, can all buy guarantee Champion's League football next season and our Manchester location means that he wouldn't have to relocate his family half way across the country.
Have we or he expressed any interest in making a deal?
{Ed002's Note - No, Aguero won't be moving to Manchester United.}
1.) 07 Apr 2021 13:53:37
Shame, Aguero and DDG are good friends and he would have been a nice stop gap for us.
2.) 07 Apr 2021 15:27:51
There is a good chance neither of them will be in Manchester come the start of next season.
3.) 07 Apr 2021 20:07:32
I wouldn't be surprised to see both back in Spain next year. If DDG does want to go, let's hope we don't make the same mistake as we did with Romero.
4.) 07 Apr 2021 21:48:59
Romero is very handsomely paid to sit on a bench every week.
5.) 08 Apr 2021 15:35:08
Still got that sinking feeling that Giroud is a candidate in this area. A scorer of great goals, but not a great scorer of goals, and you get the feeling Tuchel will be bringing in his own CF this summer (maybe Aguerro) .
{Ed077's Note - Giroud isnt a bad player for me. He would be a decent back up option but I am starting to think we need a starting ST.
Aguero to Chelsea? Improbable IMO.}
23 Jan 2021 02:58:30
Hi Ed002. Any truth to the reports stating that we've offered to take Eriksen on loan until the end of the season?
{Ed002's Note - Christian Eriksen (AM) Borussia Dortmund may offer a solution at the right price. Again PSG will look to an exchange with Leandro Paredes but Inter will again ask for some cash on top of any transaction but may be willing to forego that to resolve the situation. He is being offered to other sides as well with his return to Spurs, possibly on loan initially, being considered if Dele Alli were to depart. Christian Eriksen is seen as an option to Grealish by OGS but it makes no sense until the Pogba and Van de Beek issues are resolved and no offer has been submitted. It is difficult to see how he would fit in to the team as it stands right now. Leicester want a loan but cannot afford the wages.
1.) 23 Jan 2021 12:55:05
Pleased to see we are still thinking of Grealish - I’d love to see us adopt the Bayern model of buying up the best domestic league talent.
I’m not sure where exactly he would fit into the side but a player of that quality has to play.
2.) 23 Jan 2021 13:52:05
Looking at the current form Grealish will easily replace Rashy on the left. He can also help to rotate Bruno at no 10.
3.) 23 Jan 2021 14:07:25
Form is temporary mate.
I could only see Grealish being played off the right or in a very attacking midfield 3 alongside Fernandes and a defensive midfielder. It would be exciting viewing, reminiscent to Xavi and Iniesta.
4.) 23 Jan 2021 15:02:55
Xavi and Iniesta had nothing to do with a very attacking midfielder. They were first of all good at possession, their job was to control games. Grealish and Fernandez as a pair are totally different kind of players.
5.) 23 Jan 2021 18:52:28
Wash your mouth out Fresh!
6.) 23 Jan 2021 19:34:55
Agree with Herrera. Grealish and Bruno I don’t think could play central together unless we had an absolute beast of a DM. And for me grealish despite rashford form right now does not displace him.
7.) 24 Jan 2021 11:18:38
You would need an avenger to play dm in a midfield with bruno and grealish to cover defensively.
8.) 24 Jan 2021 12:07:43
lol DSG. Thankfully we are interested in Rice, Zakaria and Saul.
Either one would be another step towards high quality.
9.) 24 Jan 2021 14:36:10
I'd go for ndidi if we are looking for a cdm. I love watching him play.
05 Oct 2020 11:04:57
Cavani and Telles have both signed. Expect a deal for Dembele to come through late in the day after Dortmund reject our €120m bid.
1.) 05 Oct 2020 11:08:32
Hope you’re wrong. What I want to know is why Sancho (who is apparently unwell) has been out of the Dortmund squad for over a week and is currently in the UK. What is going on. Is it really unrealistic to think our terrible PR team have kept this all under wraps and will in fact announce Sancho this afternoon?
2.) 05 Oct 2020 11:13:58
would be peak woodward to bid what dortmund wanted all window to then be told to do one.
3.) 05 Oct 2020 11:18:27
Find it funny how so many United fans seem to not want dembele and the majority of Barcelona fans don't want to lose him.
On his day one of the best players in the world and a fast attacking style like ours would be a better fit for him than Barcelona who's play doesn't require players to be quick
Ed's already said it's a possibility I hope we are trying to make this one happen.
4.) 05 Oct 2020 11:18:41
Sancho not happening, deal went dead a while back, probably even if we offer the full amount today. Sancho is at St George's Park at the moment getting a C.V. test. Dembele, Cavani and Tellas will be the only signings today.
5.) 05 Oct 2020 11:29:29
O. Dembele's camp have come out and said he won't leave Barcelona today. He wants to stay there and fight for his place.
6.) 05 Oct 2020 11:32:22
Dembele off according to multiple reports.
7.) 05 Oct 2020 11:34:04
Sancho broke quarantine earlier in the year to go to UK for a haircut apparently, left out of squad in last 3 games due to challenge and is at a party in UK. might not be the best role model if true.
8.) 05 Oct 2020 11:38:32
I suppose Dembele could keep Tuanzebe company throughout this season.
9.) 05 Oct 2020 12:08:25
Sancho is trying to push the move too, or at least he will if and when a bid goes it.
Points re: Dembele, on his day, yes he’s great but we can say the same about Pogba. We need consistency, no more gambles.
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30 Nov 2023 00:53:26
Any chance of us taking Ramsdale on loan in January? Onana will be at the AFCON, but even if that weren't the case, he has no business playing in goal for us given his current form. Taibi 2.0.
1.) 30 Nov 2023 06:30:14
Ramsdale has mistakes in him galore. Post match, I have watched the videos of the second goal and did not realize Martial had a chance to clear that ball and his effort is poor. No question Onana has to save that even with martial half hearted effort.
2.) 30 Nov 2023 06:58:54
There is no putting the blame at somebody else’s door Ahmad. Onana was solely responsible for those shots going in. They were weak efforts which any professional goalkeeper should be saving.
Poor free kicks to give away too, but that’s happened and you’ve got to deal with it.
I think that’s 3 CL games now that Onana has had stinkers.
13 Sep 2023 04:30:42
Didn't get a chance to watch the game last night, but I heard Maguire came off the bench and scored a goal. I know he can be a bit suspect defensively at times, but he does pose a genuine threat from set pieces, which is more than can be said for most of our squad. Hard to believe that he can't get a game for us, really.
1.) 13 Sep 2023 05:39:14
He glided the ball past Ramsdale beautifully. Goalie didn't stand a chance. We really didn't need Hojlund. What we needed was Bellingham who was a class act and he linked up well with Rashford. Southgate should consider dropping Kane and replacing him with Maguire.
2.) 13 Sep 2023 07:46:25
I feel bad for the guy and he is almost cursed. He is not a bad player but last 18 months has been a nightmare for him. Weird stuff happens. The press and pundits coverage is terrible and hope when he gets on the pitch for us whilst he is here he gets treated fairly.
3.) 13 Sep 2023 07:51:09
He is being treated fair.
4.) 13 Sep 2023 08:03:48
I agree that when it rains it pours on occasion. He should not be buying a lottery ticket any time soon.
BUT
He is bang average at best and perhaps his lottery win has come in the guise of fleecing previous managers into thinking he was better than he is and this run of events is the real Maguire.
However I admit to being biased. Never have liked him as a player. I’m sure as Southgate says he is a lovely bloke but shall not hold my breath.
5.) 13 Sep 2023 08:36:45
Amhad how can you feel bad for Maguire? The man who asked the Greek police "do you know who I am" (arse) and the same multi millionaire bloke who would not take a pay cut from £9.5M to £6.25M without a £7M payoff from Utd to leave!
Yes he can play CB for a deep sitting team that wants to play on the break ala Ole but does not suit a team that wants to play progressive football with a high press.
I just hope from now to the end of the season he has some decent games for us as well as a good Euro's for England and gets himself in the shop window.
6.) 13 Sep 2023 09:02:18
jrred3
I don't disagree that he is not united quality and wanted him sold
and replaced in the summer. However he is here until at least Jan but I suspect next summer. I was just making a point he must be shattered mentally in terms of the things being said about him and he is still a united player and fans should support him on the pitch.
Its in everyone's benefit that he performs well and we get him moved at a decent fee to his next club.
Finally he has a contract and its people like Woodward who gave him those wages that is the real issue.
7.) 13 Sep 2023 09:11:29
Tbf, I felt a little bad for him too until he refused to leave. Sure, he’s entitled to stay and see out his contract if he really wants to, but any player who is serious about playing football would have been banging on the manager’s door demanding to leave since last January when it became clear that he was not a part of the manager’s plans and lacked the ability and attributes needed to play Ten Haag’s style of football. To then actively refuse to move to West Ham this summer (a move that would have been perfect for him in terms of style) shows where his priorities lie. Again, I get him holding out for as big a pay off as possible, but with the Euros coming up next summer, his number one priority should have been to secure a move elsewhere.
As for Southgate’s post-match comments, this is arguably his fault. All joking aside, a confident and in-form Harry Maguire doesn’t score that own goal yesterday, but Maguire is neither of those things at the moment. Southgate should be able to recognize that and advising the lad that he needs to be playing regularly to be at his best. However, by continuing to pick Maguire while he’s not playing, Southgate is just setting him up for failure and deserves just as much criticism as Maguire for that own goal.
8.) 13 Sep 2023 09:20:29
I'm going to side with the big guy for once. No, he's not good enough for a top team. But the ridicule in the press and online is ridiculous. We're not privy to the information leading to him staying at Utd last month, we don't know what his demands were or what he was entitled to but fans choose to latch onto speculation and turn it against him just because of who he is. He'll be gone soon enough and hopefully for him he can settle at a decent club.
9.) 13 Sep 2023 10:04:09
I don't think that Southgate is doing him any favours by picking him. Players need to play to maintain their levels, sharpness etc. at the minute some of his errors are coming from lack of game time and not being sharp.
Up until now he has performed well for England but those performances are diminishing, he now needs to be removed from these odd games every couple of months, told to get himself into a run of club games and then bring him back into the international fold.
10.) 13 Sep 2023 10:28:25
I hear they are calling him McMaguire now. Probably Scotland's best player on the night.
11.) 13 Sep 2023 10:40:10
Feel a bit sorry for him: lack of pace was cruelly exposed by DDG reluctance to come out of his box in the past, which sort of gave him his oil tanker turning reputation. Plus all that’s gone on at United, must be real debt to his confidence.
However, he should’ve done more to love to West Hsm and reignite his career, rather than - allegedly - not be willing to take a pay cut.
Hope he leaves soon for the sake of his career and well-being and I’d wish him well.
12.) 13 Sep 2023 10:45:00
Spenno, why will he be gone soon enough?
If he didn't take a pay cut to leave this summer, why will he do it January or next summer?
He may well leave, hopefully he does, but why are you so sure?
13.) 13 Sep 2023 12:04:24
Should have gone, westham was a great move for him, and moyes was going to make him captain according to some rumours (who knows if true! ) .
He dug his heals in for money. Or not big enough club or whatever, but didn't find himself an alternative. These is more to this game than just money, I guess he is learning that lesson the hard way. it is not like we didn't all see this coming, it was crazy staying to be 5th choice CB.
14.) 13 Sep 2023 12:17:21
I'm not sure Sydney, I just get the feeling he'll go even on loan in Jan. Maybe any demands he supposedly has, or the club's valuation of him, will dip in the coming months.
Other than that, in a sinister way of thinking, his best chance of being a Utd regular again will be if one of our current CB's gets a serious injury or (heaven forbid) anther player gets embroiled in something or other.
15.) 13 Sep 2023 13:29:18
I think it's a clear assessment that most United fans would like to see Maguire leave - I am one of them, but we must get real.
Maguire was bought and placed under contract with some startlingly stupid figures - that's Woodward's fault.
He was bought from a team where he looked decent as part of a 3 man defence and was expected to simply adapt effortlessly to a 2 man defence because our manager at the time was simply a coach in the wrong shoes - that's Ole's fault.
The point is that Harry Maguire, regarding the payoff fallout, is perfectly entitled to demand what he wants.
It's not his fault that he was offered obscene figures to join.
He had no obligation or reason to refuse the offer because some fans wouldn't approve.
He owes the club and the fans nothing beyond effort and application.
Is he good enough?
No, but all the cards are in his pocket.
Currently, I would say a loan with a call-back option would be best for January as United are short in that department, even without the injury issues of Varane and Shaw.
As for summer 2024, United will still be in the same pickle. Maguire will want a payoff which, while it winds me up that United have got themselves so stuck in this hole, he is well within his rights to demand. This payoff figure will again likely be greater than what the club will be prepared to offer and, given this and the reality that there'll be less interest, we might well be stuck with him until he winds down the contract in 2025.
While that might be considered wasting the £80m fee, it could be worse.
I mean, Woodward would offer him a new contract, would he not?
We all just need to accept that Maguire is still here and still has a place in ten Hag's squad.
If just one of Jones, Bailly, Tuanzebe and Mengi were able to offer more to the squad on a consistent basis then perhaps things would be different, but the reality is that the former 2 were kept at the club for far too long by Woodward who never quite understood that the real-time value of a footballer (the person, not the brand) is wholly intangible and quite simply does not translate well to the style of asset investment/ management or financial expertise upon which he built his career.
I'm certainly no financial expert, but even this dizzy plank can see that Woodward has left a legacy that is still such a hindrance.
Maguire perfectly represents this legacy and might well stick around for another 2 years - that's two more years of the Woodward effect.
Add to this that Sancho could well do the same for 3 years - that'll be three years of the Woodward effect.
We will see more of Maguire and he will continue to look out of his depth, we just need to accept that reality and get on with it.
16.) 13 Sep 2023 15:20:43
He is entitled to reject the move to WH, but fans are entitled to their opinion and to boo him if he doesn't perform, and he doesn't.
17.) 13 Sep 2023 15:28:00
Maguire will have been with us for 4 years at the end of this year. He will have one year left on his contract. Based on a reported £80m basic transfer fee, his value will be down to around £16m. We'll still be committed to one year of wages. I think there's likely to be a deal to be had around those figures, i.e somewhere in the region of £16-£20m net of wage compensation.
He's clearly not good enough for a top team, but I will say this for him, he never disses the team or the manager in public. unless someone knows different?
18.) 13 Sep 2023 16:24:36
I thought Maguire would be off in the summer, even after the West Ham deal didn't go through. Alas we had an injury crisis in defence and he was kept for cover.
Southgate is doing him no favours whatsoever. It's clear to everyone the player needs to be taken out of the spotlight. Picking him for England while he's not playing, and in such bad form when he does play, is not a decision a top level manager would take.
ETH clearly knows Maguire isn't good enough and has pushed him down the pecking order. I guess that's the difference between the two managers.
19.) 14 Sep 2023 01:33:31
The situation now is firmly sitting in the laps of McGuire and southgate.
Southgate continues to pick him even when not playing for his club, which frankly is ridiculous and sends the wrong message to other players. At international level many games are a cake walk, and other players could be building that experience. But also a clearer message from southgate might have led McGuire to go to westham, which could have reinvigorated his career.
McGuire is entitled to sit in the stands as 5th choice player and ruin another year of his career - remember we are into year 2 of this, he has already rotted on the bench for one year. He has a complete lack of ambition and personal pride and has allowed a few million to possibly ruin the end of his career. Will he get a good offer next year? I don't know that he will.
People saying man utd created this, what did we create? He's actually a decent 5th choice CB, which he will be useful for us this season. Maybe we couldn't have for amrabat if we completed the mcguire/ todibo deal, and I am certain amrabat is more important to us for this season.
20.) 14 Sep 2023 08:56:32
Dodgy
He is 30 years old and his days of playing for a top level team or even national team are coming to an end. To make a move to lesser team just to play more often and take 40% to 50% cut in earnings is easy to say for us fans but not if you are in his shoes.
Factor in family, kids, social network and friends, schools I don't think the move in his eyes is that important unless it makes financial sense.
Anyways and he is staying till next summer imo and might as well support our player anytime he is played. We might be recruiting academy guys or CM to play in defense if we have a couple more injuries. fingers crossed.
12 Aug 2023 04:46:19
Question for Ed002, if you're around.
Is the club still planning to announce their decision on the Greenwood situation before the Wolves game?
With two £100m transfers seemingly set to be announced in the coming day or two, now seems like an excellent time to announce it if they do plan on reintegrating him into the squad, as between Kane, Caicedo, and the start of the season, one suspects the news would be buried pretty quickly.
{Ed002's Note - I have no idea but it would be a distraction.}
1.) 12 Aug 2023 13:30:49
Either way this decision needed to be taken a while ago. Not sure why they’re dragging this one out.
2.) 12 Aug 2023 16:44:18
Eric, it's dragging out because the club don't want to cut loose a multimillion pound asset. However, the crime he was accused and the way it was so publicly reported, along with images and a voice recording means that it is a very sensitive subject. There are people at the club whose opinions need to be taken into account, the opinions of sponsors need to be considered, the opinions of fans and the potential for fan backlash needs to be considered.
This is by no means an easy decision, and it shouldn't be rushed.
I'd also be stunned if anything was said hours before our first game of the season. I can't imagine the manager would be thankful for the distraction and disruption that would cause to his match preparations. Maybe after the game, or the following day. Get it out the way before the Spurs game and cause as little disruption as possible.
3.) 12 Aug 2023 17:13:18
Looks like talk of protests over it have surprised people in the club. Not quite sure what they were expecting. At some point they just need to make a decision and move forward. This is clearly one decision that it is impossible to please everyone.
4.) 13 Aug 2023 02:35:31
Thanks for taking the time to reply! Appreciate the answer.
03 Aug 2023 17:42:22
After the charges against Greenwood were dropped, it infuriated me to see fans talking about his actions as if it were just a case of "boys will be boys". Sure, we all did some stupid rubbish when we were younger, but for most people, that does not include allegedly raping somebody (I use the word allegedly here, but we've all heard that recording) . Put simply, I didn't want him anywhere near the club ever again.
Over the past few months though, with all this talk about him potentially returning, I've found my opinion on the matter gradually changing. To be clear, I still think that he's a total scumbag who should be serving time inside and feel absolutely awful for that young woman who's stuck under his thumb. However, I'm no longer sure that cutting him loose is the right thing to do at this point.
The club has a duty of care to young players like Greenwood and, in my opinion, are responsible for making sure that they grow up to be functioning members of society as well as top class professional footballers. To say that they failed at the former would be a bit of an understatement and shoving him out the door would only compound that failure in my eyes.
The club should work with the lad and make sure that measures are taken to ensure that what happened does not happen again; whether that be through enrolling him in anger management classes or assigning him a mentor to keep an eye on what he's getting up to away from the pitch.
As far as I can see, the alternative would be to ship him off abroad, which would likely make the situation even worse. Greenwood would have no incentive to change his coercive and controlling behavior and his missus would be whisked away from her friends and family and become even more reliant on her alleged abuser.
Nothing can change what he did, but the club does have the power to make sure that he never does it again.
1.) 03 Aug 2023 18:08:25
Why start a new thread on the same subject when there is one running just down the page where you could state your opinion? Disjoints the conversation.
2.) 03 Aug 2023 19:04:37
That's a fair post, redseven ?.
3.) 03 Aug 2023 19:46:01
Just want to play devil's advocate here but if you were accused of something but not convicted by the courts, would you be happy at being sacked from your job because of it?
4.) 03 Aug 2023 21:36:33
No easy answer about this topic. First of Greenwood has not been convicted anywhere (except the court of public opinion) . Secondly his girl friend apparently has taken him back. We can't look into their minds and see their true feelings and motivations but as a general principle I would say that everyone deserves a second chance.
Redseven makes some good points. Like him I was appalled by the allegations made against Greenwood. I also agree that the Club have a duty of care to look after young players especially those who come from less privileged backgrounds and who don't have a strong family to keep them grounded.
If the Club feel he is genuinely remorseful and his actions back this up then I would give him a second chance. Be interesting to know if he has been doing any quiet charity work.
5.) 03 Aug 2023 22:13:06
Not sure the club can stop him from ever doing it again. If he did do what is claimed then there is every chance he will reoffend, and sadly probably already has as is often the case in these situations.
What the club can do is duty of care and then ship him out do it does not tarnish us if and when it happens again.
Imagine the fallout if we bring him back in and the pressure of the game makes him reoffend.
Best thing is to move him on, regardless of potential and ability.
6.) 03 Aug 2023 21:57:16
I said it before, I'll say it again, if no one cares, not the law, not her parents, and especially not her, why would any of us care?
I'm not going to do the exact count, but she practically went to bad with him right after the "incident". But here we are, throwing accusations.
We don't know what exactly happened and what was happening behind the scene, so we should simply wait for the club decision and live with it.
7.) 03 Aug 2023 22:00:11
United having a duty of care is hollow. The club covered up Giggs antics, buried new stories for decades which resulted in a man who has no morals and uses and abuses people all because he was an elite footballer. If he was brutal, Fergie would have booted him out of the club.
Greenwood won't be sacked from his job though, he's been paid millions whilst being under police investigation. This whole nonsense about him not getting convicted is such crap. He's not a waiter at your local franchise restaurant or a window cleaner, he has a prestigious job playing football for a club with 100s of millions of people supporting it, many of whom have been abused before and the club that they support will now play a player who said "I'm having sex with you whether you like it or not you tw*t" whilst she's crying saying "No Mason".
I really think you lot need your head examined if you think this guy deserves a new contract and a position in our squad after all that? He makes a week what most people take two years of hard work to earn. Let's not get the violin out for Mason just yet.
Ask any other Ed or go onto any other page and none of their fans would touch him or someone who has done what he's done.
Honestly, people defending him saying he made a mistake. Some mistakes you don't get to make and still keep your multi million pound job and stay in the public eye.
Again I'll say it, if it was your daughter, I would hope you'd have a different view. He should leave the club!
8.) 04 Aug 2023 03:23:48
Mumbles. If it were my daughter I’d do my best to remove her from the situation. Sadly, it appears that her own father would rather have a rich and famous son in law than a happy and healthy daughter, but let’s just imagine for a moment that he had tried his hardest to convince her to escape the situation and she’s flat out refused.
In that situation, if it were your daughter, would you want her shipped off to Italy (or wherever Greenwood ended up getting loaned out to) or to stay in Manchester (or in your case, India, iirc? ) where you could keep an eye on the situation for further signs of abuse and continue in your attempts to help her to see sense?
As for the club having no responsibility nor any kind of ability to prevent him from reoffending, that’s just ridiculous. If he really wants to come back, he’d agree to any conditions the club gave him, whether that be him and his missus going to couples counseling or him laying off the booze, if that’s a contributing factor. Of course, he could still go on to do it again (from what I gather, reoffending rates are pretty high for stuff like this), but I think I’d rather see the club try and fix a situation that they in part may have helped to create than simply wash their hands of it and almost certainly condemn the poor girl to a lifetime of abuse (if he gets fired or shipped out because of her posting those videos, do you not think he’ll end up resenting/ blaming her and eventually taking his anger out on her again? ) .
To be clear, I don’t think Greenwood deserves a second chance. For me, there are some things you just can’t come back from and if she’d opted to leave him it would have been an easy decision to get rid. However. With a woman and innocent kid involved, I think keeping him close would be the best option.
9.) 04 Aug 2023 03:34:20
Despite only joining recently, I've been an observer of this site for around 2 years.
I've seen plenty of tetchiness and bite being displayed by so many of you over the Greenwood case, and with good reason.
I've seen spite.
I've seen insults, some direct, some implied.
I've even seen the odd brutal comment from an Ed.
This microcosm is perfectly representative of society, everybody has an opinion, but some won't be tolerant of an opposing view.
It's a shame, but that's just the real world.
Now step away from the real world.
Here is a young man with the world at his feet, being accused of something heinous.
There's something almost poetic being reflected here - perhaps a Bellerophon/ Pegasus scenario, he may well be his very own allegory.
I don't know the guy, nor do I know his gf or anyone else involved.
I only know the details I've read.
Does that mean I know the truth?
No, and the very same does absolutely apply to all others who have only read the ratified details they've been fed.
He might well be even worse, but further pertinent details might be considered unfit for the public ear.
That said, there may be details to the contrary that haven't been made public - likely not, but possible.
Now, here's where I find things to be a little strange. The Depp vs Heard case in the UK concluded with Depp being ruled to have assaulted Heard in 12 of 14 alleged incidents.
But let's be very clear, that guy is still adored by plenty (women, men and all the soppy little fanboy man-crush plebs), still has his career, still has all the prospects he had before.
Yet, Amber Heard, in part because of the reverse decision over the pond, has pretty much found herself in the bin.
Why is that?
They're both known to be as bad as each other, but the 'Star' gets a pass, weird no?
So please don't anyone tell me that society as a whole takes women's safety as seriously as presumed because, as proven, that notion is absolute garbage.
The football world has plenty with dubious morals.
There are convicted predators playing pro football.
There is/ was a convicted double child killer from reckless driving playing pro football.
Don't give me standards, the football world is reflective of general society - most good, but some not, and some of the some are just dirt.
This is where the second chance suggestion has some foundation.
While Greenwood might not deserve the adulation of fans, certainly not from kids seeking role-models, he does deserve to resume his career.
For an employer, or rather an employment sector to dismiss or barr an individual, there must be something legitimate to work on.
Unfortunately, an allegation is only legitimised by proof and/ or conviction, so by the framework of law he does deserve to resume his career.
I think he'd be wise to resume at another club, but how many British clubs would want to risk the wrath of public opinion?
Would he want to go abroad when he has a young family?
Would he instead prefer to stay at United and try to show the world he isn't dirt?
Will I continue to support the team if Greenwood stays?
Yes, of course I will because my opinion is of little consequence to the real world as it does not qualify as knowledge.
10.) 04 Aug 2023 07:23:10
Mumbles, I often agree with your posts, but not this time.
First of all no one has all the info and knows what happened.
There can be a lot of scenarios which might have happened, but you seem to hang on one which suits your opinion.
Even if it happened as you assumed jt did, why do you care so much? Why do you ask questions like "if it was your daugter"? Is it at all relevant what would you or me do? She has parents and her parents apparently agree with her staying with him and getting married. Why would you then care?
A lot of you here talking about morals and the right thing to do and what not, but if a person chooses to selfdestruct, even if you try to give her advice and help her, why would you care?
Not to mention that there might be a different side of a story. Not saying it happened like this, but what if she is a gold digger and blackmailed him, because he wanted to leave her? What if she cheated on him and he lost it? What if he was going through mental abuse and he lost it? What if they were role playing? What if all did happen and she accepted money to cover it up? What about her morals there? What if, what if.
To me, it is a done deal. I have my own problems to start caring about random famous/ rich people or their spouses. I have zero influence. She choose him. Her parents allowed it. The law doesn't care. Most of fans (United fans) won't care, although you maybe think they do. Opponent fans could try to use it to get an edge, but that is a different story.
11.) 04 Aug 2023 11:35:46
Mumbles, I've made my feelings on him clear before, so no need to cover old ground.
I've worked with victims of DV every day for the last 20 years. Some of the views on here make me want to throw the phone at the wall. I've taken many abusers to court, even when the victim doesn't cooperate, because many times, the victim needs someone else to make the right decision. Abusers have been getting away with it for years, because 'the victim won't make a complaint'. And this can be for a myriad of reasons. These reasons are well documented.
Problem is, there's a high burden of proof to meet, and more often than not, without a complaint, the PPS will drop the charges. They like an open goal, to be honest. Figures and all that. But I still know the guys are abusers, even though they're not legally guilty of anything.
I'm annoyed as well, because, even at my age, I got emotionally invested in the lad. I watch a lot of the youth football and I've saw him come through the ranks, always knowing he was going to be a top player. I had a real sense of pride when he made his debut.
That makes it even more difficult to say I don't want him about the place, but there you go. I have neices and young female cousins. If I turn a blind eye to this just because he kicks a football for my team, or play semantics over the legalese, then I disrespect them.
This started off as a one sentence reply, showing favour for Mumbles' position. Maybe I should have left it at that ?.
12.) 04 Aug 2023 12:22:45
Trololo, it's all good to have different opinions on the matter, I have a line in the sand and for others it's somewhere else. Like in every walk of life, some people have crappy parents.
I don't think he should represent the club and I have my reasons, some think he should. I would assume he will wear a United Jersey again, funnily enough Rashford was dropped for a game for being 45 seconds late for a team meeting, I wonder what the internal punishment is for raping your girlfriend?
13.) 04 Aug 2023 13:39:54
Fair enough Mumbles, I respect that. Perhaps if you look from the other side of that line, the angle would be different. That is my whole point.
Its not just about parents, it is about her as well and her choices. She has other relatives, friends, probably enough people to tell her she is doing a wrong thing. If it is a wrong thing at all. As I said, we know very little about it and it is easy to jump to a conclusion.
Did he rape her? Or he treathen to do so? Or it was role play? Or a joke? I could bang my head and take pictures and blame someone else for doing it, it proves nothing. Perhaps I could find someone with similar voice and create fake audio as well.
My point is we don't know what happened. He wasnt charged, they are now together, married, with a child. We have no say in that. Nor should we. I wouldn't like for someone to decide what is good for me and what is not. I would like to hear advice, but in the end, it is my choice. If its a good one, great for me, if it is not, it is my own bad and I can live with it. You shouldn't really care too much about him or her.
19 Jul 2023 03:31:29
All things considered, £4m plus add-ons seems pretty good for Telles. He turns 31 later this year and is clearly not in the manager's plans. I'd much rather this than sending him out on loan for another season and continuing to pay a chunk of his wages.
Still a lot of players to ship out though. I can see Bailey, Martial and Maguire being gone before the window closes, as well as two or maybe even all three of Donny, Fred, and Scott. Between them, you'd like to think we could bring in around £100m, which should allow us to bring in additional cover in all three main areas of the pitch (or maybe even put in a huge bid for Harry Kane if Bayern are able to negotiate a price with Spurs) .
Even if Hojland ends up being the last signing after Onana, getting rid of most of the aforementioned players would make this one of our best windows in years. Replacing them with quality cover would probably make it the best since the early two thousands.
1.) 19 Jul 2023 06:51:08
Martial is injured again, so cannot see him being moved on, probably eyeing up being the new Phil Jones now there is space available on that golf cart.
Thought Betis were interested in Bailly, hopefully a deal can be done.
Maguire, Donny, Fred and McT, if we get anywhere near £60-70m+ I would be surprised.
2.) 19 Jul 2023 07:40:47
Sadly, you may be right about Martial.
The rest, though (together with Elanga and Henderson, who I completely forgot about) should still be able to bring in a decent amount. Then there’s Sancho, who could easily bring in £30m-£40m, but I’d prefer to give him one more season.
Maguire (£25m+), McTominay (£20m+), Henderson (£20m+), Van De Beek (£15m+), Elanga (£10m+), Fred (£10m+), and Bailey (£2m) . I’d expect some of those to sell for quite a bit more than that, but would rather be pessimistic with my valuations given our poor track record when it comes to selling players.
3.) 19 Jul 2023 07:45:20
In todays market I’d have liked to have seen a bit more for Telles to be perfectly honest, especially from the Saudi’s. But it’s another wage off the bill so that’s positive.
4.) 19 Jul 2023 08:06:30
redseven
That would be ideal but can't see us selling Maguire for 25 mill. he will not go and will sit on the bench and collect his wages. I don't buy into the stuff that he is really bothered being number 5 choice. Never struck me as the kind of guy who would make a move for playing minutes.
5.) 19 Jul 2023 08:08:32
Martial appears to pick his times to be injured. Tough games coming up. oops I'm injured. Close season transfer window and I've had another rubbish season so may be transferred . oops but I appear to be injured. Hmmm I wonder.
6.) 19 Jul 2023 08:19:39
I would move Sancho on, we have Rashford Garnacho Antony Diallo Pellestri who can play the roles he fits in. So if you can get millions in for a player we don't need to strengthen areas of the squad more in need then i thibk it makes sense.
7.) 19 Jul 2023 08:24:44
Ahmad. There’s no way Southgate continues to play him for much longer if he isn’t getting game time. In today’s market, he’s easily worth £25m and would excel in Italy or at a side like West Ham who like to drop deep. The only thing that might prove problematic is his wages, but hopefully there’s some middle ground to be found there (particularly if there are a few sides in for him) .
8.) 19 Jul 2023 08:33:43
Frankly if Maguire wants to stay, he’s a more than adequate defensive cover as a squad option so I have no issue with that.
9.) 19 Jul 2023 08:47:29
I know wages are all relative, but if Maguire really wants to play football (unlike Phil Jones) then he’ll lower his wage demands to facilitate a move. In a eutopic world West Ham will match his wage, but it isn’t going to happen. So he has a clear choice to make. And it’s not like he isn’t a multi millionaire with his family set up for life is it…….
Martial takes the p*** if you ask me and he’s played a clever game all throughout his time here. He strikes me as one of those players with shaky morals and jelly like backbone. If I was in charge then I couldn’t get him out the door soon enough. He’s like the guy at work who mysteriously always happens to be sick in August summer holidays.
10.) 19 Jul 2023 09:19:58
Last i saw Martial will miss first 5 games of the season injured-thats him out then until beginning of October more or less so no one is touching him until January and even then who would really want him. Maguire is worth 30 mill can still do a job, Mct got to be worth at least 25.
11.) 19 Jul 2023 09:40:06
The key thing for me is that all of these players are sold rather than loaned. If that means we have to take a hit on sale prices due to salaries we have given and lack of interest then I will take that.
Loans for me at the minute should be for the young players not our older ones that have already been out.
Martial I think will end up staying as back up with no club willing to take him on with the injuries he has got. If that is the case and he sits at number 2/ 3 striker then we can carry him. Good player but injuries/ mindset just can't do it in the PL over a long period.
Sancho I think could get interest towards the end of the season depending how pre-season goes. If he can get back to his Dortmund form we have a good player, just another one that for whatever reason has not been able to do it. Based on last year we would not be losing much with him being out for so long. I also feel like he would be a good fit with the new Spurs manager.
12.) 19 Jul 2023 12:15:35
Ordinarily, I'd be a little miffed about selling Telles for £4m, but I suspect ten Hag is simply shifting out the bad apples as quickly as he can while operating under conditions set by the incompetents above him.
Iqbal went for £1m because he clearly didn't tick the attitude box, Telles going for £4m is more of the same.
Stripping that classless p***k of a lummox of the captaincy after keeping him so firmly on the bench and booting Ronaldo out as soon as he could are the prime examples of a standard requirement for success under ten Hag - my way or the highway.
That's just refreshing, no?
A manager actually seeking to manage every factor that impacts progress, rather than ducking the big tasks.
Players like Lummox, Henderson and Martial all bring a little baggage.
Lummox, being the character he is, wants to blackmail the club if he is to leave - that, after all the other arrogant af remarks this chopper has made, makes him trash in my eyes, he can definitely f off - £20m+ and a boot up the nethers from Evans.
Henderson, whilst a decent backup, was never going to be No1 at United and should have been sold sooner. He has been rather outspoken regarding his treatment from the club and, frankly, he does have a point.
However, his comments leave his position at the club pretty untenable. He has an attitude and an ego, but he does have value - £20m+.
Then we have Martial. He's not stupid, is he? Just about every time he's rumoured to leave permanently, he catches a toe on a table or something. He's happy to go out on loan because when his workrate and commitment bring failure, he knows he can return to United and stroll around again. He won't want to be bought because expectations at a new employer would be problematic.
He's out of contract next summer so I'd expect him to be 'injured' again in January - he'll be off for nothing next year.
Fred. My word that guy gets some bashing. Yes, he's not at the level we need, but he certainly puts a shift in and is, in my humble opinion, a better No8 and just a better player than McTominay.
I'd like him to stay, but he's still got value on the market - £20m.
McTominay. I just don't get it, I really don't. Why so much digging out of Fred when McTominay is a greater liability? Yes, he can drive forward from deep, but then his passing is actually worse than Fred's. Marauding upfield, only to then pass square or behind, having already weakened the area you've just vacated in your attempt to resemble Gerrard, is poor.
I just don't rate him and I suspect ten Hag would be happier to see him gone before Fred.
Weirdly though, he's actually rated higher than Fred - £30m+.
Donny. Well, yeah, just not good enough - £10m.
Elanga is a strange one, a proper athlete of a player, but little end product and poor control.
Like an Henry with Lukaku-toes and bifocals.
Probably worth around £15m, but £10m is probably fair for a player who's now likely 5th choice on the left.
Sancho might, to some, deserve another crack - not for me.
He's 3rd choice on the left and 3rd on the right. He'd be 4th choice at No10 and wouldn't even be an option anywhere else.
With the emergence of Emeran along with the presence of Amad and Pellistri, Sancho is just not what we need.
United will never recoup the fee fully for a player who just isn't worth that amount.
He won't do the business at United and should be sold now - £35m+.
13.) 19 Jul 2023 12:42:33
"Henry with Lukaku-toes and bifocals" absolutely loving that description!
14.) 19 Jul 2023 18:39:28
Ork; my new favourite poster.
15.) 20 Jul 2023 03:44:07
MancMan
Which poster you got, eh?
Did I wax?
:)
01 Nov 2023 01:27:52
Thanks for the clarification. Has he withdrawn from the process or indicated that he won’t be making another offer to the Glazers / Raine Group, or was that all just paper talk?
{Ed002's Note - Things can always change.}
31 Oct 2023 16:43:38
Hi Ed002. I was talking with an old colleague last week and he seemed to be under the impression that Sheikh Jassim may still be interested in purchasing United and hasn’t actually withdrawn. I’d assumed that he was mistaken on this front, but notice you said “both potential owners”. Are both Sir Jim and Sheikh Jassim still in the running?
{Ed002's Note - He has not made an acceptable offer.}
31 Oct 2023 08:12:15
At this point, I’d be very surprised if Ten Haag is still at the helm come the end of the season regardless of whether or not there are new owners in place. I still think he’ll by gone by Christmas.
For whatever it’s worth, I’d have liked to have seen him given a bit more time, but he really hasn’t done himself any favors with his poor team selection and his inability to instill any kind of style of play. Granted, a lot of the latter is down to the players, but it’s Ten Haag’s job to get them firing, and despite replacing half the dressing room, he continues to fail on that front.
07 Oct 2023 14:33:37
I’m calling it now. Ten Haag will be gone by Christmas and Sir Alex will come back as interim until the end of the season.
03 Sep 2023 14:38:35
When the protests got the Liverpool game postponed I was a little annoyed, but at this point, the Glazers deserve everything they get. Part of me would love to see the fans get every home game called off until the leeches sell up, even if that means us forfeiting those matches and finishing in the bottom half of the table.
I’d much rather one season without European football than one more with the Glazers at the helm. Heck, I’d take relegation and a season in the Championship if that’s what it takes. And hey, if our fans’ actions force the FA to revisit the issue of leveraged buyouts of football clubs then all the better. People like the Glazers have no place owning football clubs.
12 Nov 2023 15:11:03
Having a mare? What are you talking about? We’re one of the league’s most in-form teams with four wins from our last five.
03 Nov 2023 12:26:07
Most of the fans at the stadium look pretty miserable these days….
03 Nov 2023 12:23:41
Lose. Draw. Draw.
03 Nov 2023 01:33:52
Five of the starting 11 were his signings (Onana, Reguilon, Cas, Mount, and Antony), not four. That he decided to bench another five of them is his business, and to me a sign that he either doesn’t think they’re good enough or that he doesn’t think that all of his signings can play together. Neither is a good look.
I’d be very surprised if Ten Haag isn’t kept informed about how negotiations are going and the kind of ballpark figure we’re going to have to pay to secure the deal. If not, why isn’t he asking? If it were me, and I needed to sign X players for £Ym, I’d want to know every little detail so that I could change my plans accordingly.
Maguire deciding to stay was unfortunate, but hardly a surprise. Surely Ten Haag could have asked him whether he’d be open to leaving beforehand though? It seems a little foolish to plan a transfer strategy around players like HM and SM leaving when both wanted to stay. If getting a new CB was that important to him, why prioritize Mount: a player that we don’t need? Why let DDG go and waste a quarter of the budget on Onana?
02 Nov 2023 12:10:20
Ahmad. Multiple reporters claim that Ten Haag played a big role in Rangnick’s exit. Ten Haag himself basically told the press that he had no interest in working with him during one of his first pressers. With that in mind, I’m inclined to believe that Ten Haag had a say in Rangnick’s fate.
Not all of our problems are down to Ten Haag, but a lot of them are. Most of the players in the dressing room are his signings at this point, along with his choice of captain and several players that were given contract renewals at his behest. If it’s not his fault that the squad he’s assembled doesn’t respect him and does not respond to his coaching methods, whose is it?
Even when they weren’t getting results, Arsenal showed clear signs of progress. There was a clear style of football being targeted and the club signed players that would enhance that style. Can you honestly say there’s any sort of semblance of that at United? What is Ten Haag’s style? His recent comments suggest that he’s not trying to replicate the way that Ajax played under him, so is what we’re seeing now Ten Haag ball?
Aside from us pressing higher up the pitch a little more often than we used to, I honestly can’t see what Ten Haag is working toward. We’re not a possession-based team, nor do we play on the counter. We don’t use the width of the pitch, yet our build up play is slow and unfocused and we seem scared to play forward passes most of the time.
Perhaps you could argue that we don’t have the personnel to play the way that Ten Haag wants to, but whose fault is that? The money is clearly there. For £400m (or whatever it is he’s spent) he could have assembled a brand new squad. Instead, he’s sanctioning deals for players like Mount (£60m), Hoijlund (£70m), and Antony (£80m) while City are signing better players like Kovacic (£25), Haaland (£50m), and Doku (£55m) for significantly less.
You’re right that he doesn’t decide the fees, but if he feels he needs six players to play the way that he wants to (or whatever it is), then surely it would make more sense to look for cheaper alternatives rather than blow the entire budget on just a few? He must know how much money is available, so when the club tell him that they’ve agreed a sixty million fee for Mount (or whoever), why doesn’t he say “hang about. let’s look for somebody cheaper so that we have money for the CB that I need as well”? When Ajax come back and say they want £80m for Antony, why doesn’t he say “actually, let’s move on to the next target instead and use the rest of the money on a backup CDM”? Did he honestly believe that he the club couldn’t find a better RW than Antony for £80m?
Ten Haag is far from the biggest problem at our club right now, but let’s not pretend that he’s completely without blame for our current situation. Yes, we have rubbish owners, but there is still plenty of money available. Yes, we have a bunch of overpaid players on our books, but most of the current squad are either players Ten Haag signed, renewed, or promoted from the youth team. Yes, we have a lot of injuries right now, but so does everybody else.