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27 Nov 2023 23:30:38
Hi Ed002
Hope all is well.
Are united interested in Claudio Echeverri
who else is looking at him. I realize he is a young guy and maybe one for the future.
{Ed002's Note - Others are.}
10 Nov 2023 07:44:30
Good Morning ed002
Are we interested in signing Inacio from sporting Lisbon and where do you believe is the most likely destination for him if he moves.
{Ed002's Note - Goncalo Inacio (CB) Watched by scouts from a number of PL sides, including Liverpool and Manchester United, with the latter declaring an interest but they do have preferred options. The player is open to a move to Manchester United. Sporting will not be keen to do business with Liverpool although the club could potentially pay his Release Clause in a single payment and try to force the situation if the player is interested. The other sides to declare an interest are Newcastle and PSG, but PSG have a plan over another player. Real Madrid offer a wildcard option. Sporting would rather not sell and are looking to a new contract and an increased release clause. Newcastle have begun talks with Sporting in order to be able to speak directly to the player and to understand if there is flexibility in the payment schedule - but it will go nowhere. Arsenal interest departed with the signing of Timber. The player has also been offered to Chelsea by his representative but they have preferred options for a long-term Silva replacement.}
1.) 10 Nov 2023 09:50:57
Thank you edd02. Very insightful.
2.) 10 Nov 2023 23:34:12
Ed, you may not say but from a pure nosey point of view, why won’t Lisbon be keen to do business with that lot?
{Ed002's Note - Try the Liverpool page.}
3.) 11 Nov 2023 17:04:47
Ports, I think they tapped up Ugarte (something they seem to be very prolific at), turned the players head and then tried to force Sporting into taking an offer below his release clause (€52 million) . PSG eventually agreed a deal and now Liverpool aren't on Sportings Christmas Card list.
4.) 14 Nov 2023 12:10:28
They should just pay way over the top for everyone, like a certain other club have turned into master of doing. No one minds doing business with us ???.
5.) 16 Nov 2023 20:42:13
Thanks Mumbles, I couldn’t visit that lots page ?.
04 Nov 2023 07:33:46
Good Morning Ed002
Does united have any interest in Onana from Everton and is he available?
{Ed002's Note - Amadou Onana (DM/CB/CM) Only moved to Everton in 2022 and they are not looking to sell him. Arsenal and West Ham interest has moved on. Newcastle spoke with Everton in the summer but have now identified another player as their primary DM/CM target. Manchester United had him a long way down their list of targets but failed to sign preferred options in the summer.}
1.) 04 Nov 2023 10:16:13
He's a good player but not what we need in my opinion. I think when we lose a lot of focus is placed on physicality and work rate. People say about us being lazy, not tracking back, losing individual battles and pulling out of challenges. While that might be true to an extent all those actions are done OFF the ball.
You don't have to track back if you have the ball, you don't have to challenge for the ball if you have it.
My view is that if you are focusing on preparing your team to have to fight and work to win the ball then as a manager you've already conceded possession of it in your mind.
What we need is better technical players, players with a great touch and technique, intelligent, mobile players who can read the game and find pockets of space to keep and progress the ball.
I'm not a fan of watching my side be played off the park. While I certainly don't watch that happen and think if we kicked them, roughed them up and ran harder then things would have been different. That's not what I want to see.
Amadou Onana is a good runner, he has a great engine, works hard, is strong and throws himself into tackles. However, he isn't particularly mobile, slow on the turn and easy to run off of if he gets too tight. While on the ball he is fairly average, fine with short passes but not expansive or intelligent in his passing. His touch is okay but not great, he often gets away with a poor touch due to his strength and ability to hold a player off.
He's a fine McTominay replacement, but he isn't the sort of player who'll take the side up a level, and I don't think he has the potential to become that player.
2.) 04 Nov 2023 10:52:23
Ed002 thank you for the reply.
Shappy
He has everything our Mids don't do well. Big, fast and very athletic and technically very good. He is a tall guy so they never look as good as the 5 foot 9 guys technically.
You hardly see him lose a physical battle or pushed off the ball which happens to all our guys. He has a great engine on him and plays in a pretty poor side. I think he would do really well if he had better players around him. He also has good composure comparative to Doucure who plays like a headless chicken.
Watched Barcelona vs real last week. They have a lot of technical players but physicality is not their thing. First half there was only one team in it as real gave them space and they were knocking it around. second half real got physical and they just got bullied.
We are like that. We have good technical players but they either lack pace or too easy to push off the ball. Any team that presses and sticks tight to us gives us problems.
We lose the ball constantly and don't have the legs to get back and concede. It looks like there is no fight in them, I just think physically we are easy to push around and combine thatt with a lack of pace in midfielders and CB's it a bad look.
3.) 05 Nov 2023 13:08:26
Ahmad, He's good at winning the ball back but he can do very little with it once he has it.
He's in the bottom 28% of midfielders in Europe for progressive carries, and the bottom 26% for progressive passes. That means 75% of all midfielders are better at progressing the ball up the field.
To put that in perspective Casemiro is in the top 85% of midfielders for progressive passes, and McTominay is in the top 74% of midfielders for progressive carries.
showing that the current defensive midfielders are far superior at progressing the ball up the field, and yet our biggest problem is a lack of ball progression through midfield.
While we do lose the ball its not often because we are outmuscled for it, but because we play a poor pass or have a loose touch which enables the opposition to pinch the ball away.
If you look at the statistics of tackles in the EPL then you see that 12 teams lose more tackles than we do. However, what is fascinating is where we lose our tackles.
We lose tackles in the attacking third less often than 17 sides in the EPL. However, this might be because we spend less time with the ball in the attacking third.
In the middle third (where most midfield play happens) we actually lose tackles here less than ANY of EPL side. This really proves the point that we don't desperately need midfielders who lose tackles less often.
However, the real shocker is in our own defensive third, where we lose tackles more than 18 other EPL teams, with only Arsenal losing more tackles in their defensive third. This stat probably highlights why Andre Onana has started playing more long balls and not playing out from the back.
Seeing as typically our strongest and most combative players play in defence it's very telling that it is in that area where we lose more tackles than the majority of the league.
The problem with our team is not being outmuscled, but that we don't have the technical skills. Poor touch leading to turnovers, and poor passing leading to giving the ball away.
Simply put we are unable to keep the ball due to poor technical quality not physicality. Amadou Onana would bring us a better player at winning the ball, but he doesn't solve the issue of us not being able to play through teams, progressive the ball forward or really significantly stop us losing the ball in our defensive third.
4.) 05 Nov 2023 14:44:18
Its why Mainoo is so highly regarded by the manager and club, at youth level he has shown he has superior technical and physical qualities.
Whether he can also be superior in mens football remains to be seen.
28 Oct 2023 07:04:15
Had an interesting chat with someone who is touch with some of the players. Supposedly not many are fans of Benny Mccarthy. watch this space. Not going into details.
1.) 28 Oct 2023 17:58:14
So after posting this rumour what would be the reason for not going into details? Surely you need to post details for the rumour to ring true or are you just speculating?
2.) 28 Oct 2023 18:27:10
These players aren't happy with any body. what, Mccarthy asked them to run and work harder. What a surprise. not.
3.) 28 Oct 2023 23:03:56
Pretty sure I saw videos at the start of preseason and they were loving him…. smells more like excuse planting to me.
4.) 29 Oct 2023 06:17:54
Tim 99
Not an excuse, I think once the season is over you might see an announcement he is gone or maybe before. He commutes to Manchester as his partner lives elsewhere. there have been times, where he is not the most punctual guy, let's leave it at that.
Nothing to do with his demands and actually the other way round.
5.) 29 Oct 2023 09:24:03
Punctuality aside. He is not there to win popularity contests!
Fergie, I suspect would have been sacked many times if it was a player popularity contest. That’s the problem with the modern game. Too much player power and pandering to these clowns.
Play for the shirt, grow up or p. off!
6.) 29 Oct 2023 10:59:07
It may have escaped attention, but Sancho's disciplinary discrepancies are related to punctuality and attitude.
McCarthy is also an employee of the club and it might just be the case that one or two of the players would expect consistency to apply - and rightly so.
7.) 29 Oct 2023 17:42:45
ork
you are in the ballpark. let's leave it at that.
8.) 29 Oct 2023 19:05:20
Won’t make a jot of difference if he’s there or not we’re embarrassing.
9.) 29 Oct 2023 19:17:48
Ahmad
That makes me rather concerned about those pesky rumours of favouritism/ preferential treatment from the coaching setup.
I suspect this could be a contributing factor to our performances so far this season.
10.) 29 Oct 2023 20:30:11
Can’t lambast Benny for turning up late when 16 players and the manager don’t even turn up to the games!
11.) 30 Oct 2023 13:58:59
@ Keefy post of the day.
12.) 31 Oct 2023 08:34:34
To come on here to disclose a rumour and not go into detail is quite arrogant Ahmad tbh. This is a forum where (hopefully) real fans can chat and be honest with each other. Why can’t you disclose what information you know? No disrespect but your nobody in relation to Manchester United and to come on here with little bits and pieces makes me think that your either full of BS or you think your a big shot (which you obviously aren’t) Sorry if this sounds abrupt, but share what you’ve ‘heard’ or don’t say anything.
13.) 31 Oct 2023 12:55:33
Fireman, I know for a fact that people connected to Manchester United come on these pages. Ex-players and current ones, as well as a few members of coaching staff. Probably admin and other people up and down the organisation as well. I'm not sure if any have an account or just read the posts.
I know they laugh at much of what is said, probably at stuff I have written no doubt. Either way it might not be prudent to talk openly about sources as that's when they tend to dry up. There is a reason this site works, anomimity. Although if you get too specific you will give yourself away.
14.) 31 Oct 2023 20:57:57
If they are reading this, please please please can someone name who the 804 RBs we scouted before deciding AWB was the best please.
27 Sep 2023 12:15:29
Good morning Ed002
Do we have an interest in Antony Nusa and where is the likely destination for him.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Antonio Nusa (LW/RW) With Noa Lang departing and Skoras arriving the player has asked for confirmation from Della that he will be given playing time in exchange for staying and rejecting the interest of Chelsea, Manchester United and Barcelona where he would not be given first team opportunities in the short term. Chelsea remain keen after having a late bid rejected in the summer, and may well try to do something after losing out on another, but they are aware that Real Madrid are now also showing interest. Juventus and Arsenal have sent scouts. One to watch for the future.}
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29 Nov 2023 09:02:45
In two minds to ask but why not. How is everyone feeling about tonight's game.
Watched the Newcastle game yesterday and the ref made a horrendous decision even though they were getting hammered and rode their luck.
Praying we get a good ref who does not screw up the game and is fair for both sides.
1.) 29 Nov 2023 09:30:33
Ahmed I am so lost on the hand ball rule and decisions being made, based on some previous ones I can see why it got given. do I agree with it absolutely not but these are being given.
Agreed that we need a game devoid of any refereeing controversy and let's see how we do. I would not be surprised if we got a 2-1 win, not pretty but with some fight.
Hoping that Mainoo gets another game as he adds tempo, composure and would be good for his development.
2.) 29 Nov 2023 10:18:57
Here’s a thought; how about handball has to be DELIBERATE? !
3.) 29 Nov 2023 10:59:10
Whether a handball is deliberate or not is subjective and open to interpretation and still open to argument. I suspect the only way to make it totally objective is to deal with it as a ball making contact with a foot in hockey. Silly suggestion but I see no other way of removing the controversy. At the moment there are some stupid decisions being made.
4.) 29 Nov 2023 11:22:39
For me, the handball needs to have prevented an advantage to the attacking team. If a player shoots and the defenders arm is out stretched and it strikes the arm (Garnacho shot and Romero block), the distance and pace of ball is irrelevant as the strike is on goal and could potentially be a goal, corner or rebound opportunity. If the ball striking the arm/ hand has no affect on potential outcome of where it would have ended up, no handball. Last night, for me, that ball towards Mbappe was not going to give him a shooting opportunity, it was going to high.
5.) 29 Nov 2023 11:25:36
Every time the ball goes into the box and it hits any part of any defender the entire ground is engulfed half by fans baying for a penalty and half fearing that it will be given. Penalties were quite rare back in the day when watching games. Now it's rare for any game to just allowed to be a great sporting spectacle and some controversy or other has to eclipse everything else about it.
Deliberate handballs seem quite easy to spot to me. If the arm changes direction towards it then those are the ones that should be given. Balls being deflected at point blank range onto hands then given as penalties are a disgrace in my view. We're humans, we have hands and there's only so much you can do with them. I quite like the stance of the defenders that put their hands behind their backs whenever the ball/ opposing player goes into the box. Can't see what else you can do really, anything seems fair game at the moment.
6.) 29 Nov 2023 11:27:13
I agree Patrick. I think the powers that be create unnecessary problems. If handball needed to be deemed deliberate like it used to be and VAR was just used for something clear and obvious, as it was supposed to be, then a lot of the controversy would go away.
7.) 29 Nov 2023 11:41:58
Who makes a deliberate handball in the box?
8.) 29 Nov 2023 11:57:05
If you’ve played football it is never subjective. The difference between deliberate and accidental is always known. The players know. Sometimes the refs view may be obscured so then enter VAR. At present there is no consistency. How was last nights decision “deliberate? ” It wasn’t.
9.) 29 Nov 2023 12:16:10
For a PK to be given the hand ball should be either a) deliberate, which requires direct movement of hand to ball or b) both unavoidable and have prevented a reasonable chance of a goal being scored. In last night's situation it was clearly neither deliberate nor avoidable. The ball hit the defender's body and bounced onto his arm while it was in a natural running position. Certainly not enough to overrule the decision on the field.
If we are gong to use VAR then it should be fairly easy to determine whether there was a chance a goal would be scored. So, for a shot that's way off target, even if the hand ball was avoidable, no penalty.
Last night's ref is regarded as one of the very best in Europe, but even he succumbed to the pressure put on him by the players and the crowd. Worse was the VAR team who should not even have sent it for his review.
10.) 29 Nov 2023 12:20:44
Last ditch desperate measures Tumble.
11.) 29 Nov 2023 12:47:26
It should be hand to ball. nit ball to hand. Common sense really, is there any left in this world.
12.) 29 Nov 2023 12:52:36
I think it will be a miracle if we come away with anything tonight.
I am not 1 bit confident.
Lets hope i am wrong.
13.) 29 Nov 2023 12:53:02
The trouble with VAR will never go away in football.
In Rugby the players, coaches, fans and pundits accept the referees decision. In football they don't so it doesn't matter what changes you make players, coaches, fans and pundits will blame VAR when a decision goes against them.
Most decisions are subjective so are not right or wrong just in the opinion of the officials.
14.) 29 Nov 2023 13:06:56
It'll be what it'll be, if a bad decision cost us then so be it. No point worrying about it. We should be focusing on what we can do and how we play. Obviously we aren't playing well atm and we need to play ourselves back into form. Ideally we should be able to play to a level where one bad decision will not change the result. Yet we are probably a year or two away from being able to have the squad to play like that.
The only thing I'm in two minds over is whether I'd prefer us to be in the Europa league or out of Europe all together. Obviously dependent on us not being able to qualify for the next round in the UCL.
My heart says that playing European football, even the Europa league is better than nothing. It's still a chance of silverware and glory, while giving us a chance to to qualify for the UCL by winning the Europa league. As well as increasing revenues (over no European football) . But my head says we are struggling due to the number of injuries and how thinly our squad is stretched. That we need to be careful with game time and make sure we don't rush players back too quickly from injury because the players we have are exhausted. That playing the extra games, and particularly the extra traveling will have a bigger detrimental effect on our league season than the potential benefits of having an outside chance of winning the Europa league would offer.
Given the state of our squad, the injuries and the poor form, do we really think we have a realistic chance of winning the Europa league?
If we drop into it and don't win it, while it effects our form in the league then any potential benefit from the money earned from it could be massively outweighed by the financial costs of dropping a few places in the league.
15.) 29 Nov 2023 13:29:17
In answer to the OP, I am not confident Utd will get a result tonight.
16.) 29 Nov 2023 13:32:22
Predictions for the night ill go 2-0 Man United.
17.) 29 Nov 2023 21:00:21
Well it was a bonkers game. again. utd just seem to go to pot in CL when winning this year. just lack control in midfield when a good 10 minutes of holding the ball is needed. Oh well, scored 9 goals away in 5 games and got 1 point. sigghhhh. Not talking about the idiot in goal as I'll be here all night.
26 Nov 2023 09:13:12
Good Morning everyone
Hope everyone has had a better weekend than I have. Had a family get together in London for my sister's 60th birthday and got C.V. for the 3rd time. This one was by far the worst and I actually was unwell for a couple of days, but all good now. Unfortunately, my mom, who is 79 is in ICU and we are praying for her.
Hope we have a good day today. I missed all the games but looking forward to seeing us play again. As usual, too many injuries as we get one back and lose 2 or 3 seems to be the trend so far this season.
On a positive note, our under 18 team looks to be something special as they are smashing teams. This should bode well for the club, maybe not in the immediate future but in a few years as these young boys start coming through and there seems to be quite a few and not just one player.
In a period where we are surrounded by so much negativity, setbacks and uncertainty, it's comforting to see we are maybe looking at a major purple patch of a lot of talent from the academy that has not been there for a long time. Let's hope they continue to develop, get stronger, and stay away from major injuries.
1.) 26 Nov 2023 11:19:01
Hope your mum gets well soon Ahmad, keep your chin up.
2.) 26 Nov 2023 12:12:54
Hope your mum is out of ICU and feeling better soon mate.
3.) 26 Nov 2023 13:08:08
Thank you guys and she is a strong person and in an excellent facility so fingers crossed.
I thought C.V. was a thing of the past but obviously still out there, be careful as my third time was the worst off them all and I am in the gym 4/ 5 days a week and pretty healthy. A win today will brighten up my weekend.
4.) 26 Nov 2023 14:48:12
All the very best with your mum Ahmad ??????.
5.) 26 Nov 2023 15:06:02
Hope things go well Ahmad.
6.) 26 Nov 2023 19:03:57
All the best to your mum pal.
7.) 26 Nov 2023 21:15:04
Stay strong Ahmad, fingers are crossed for your mum mate.
8.) 26 Nov 2023 21:44:16
I hope your Mum is OK Ahmad, I've had a challenging year losing 2 family members, life can be very fragile sometimes, fingers crossed for you.
9.) 26 Nov 2023 21:56:57
Fingers crossed for your family Ahmad.
10.) 26 Nov 2023 16:25:32
Wishing you and your family the best Ahmad. Fingers crossed everyone makes a full recovery.
23 Nov 2023 04:45:28
been reading about City and Chelsea potential issues with ffp. If i was a betting man I think they will get a draconian punishment. They basically been involved in systematic cheating. I would take all their pl titles from both.
There is no argument for winning by cheating.
1.) 23 Nov 2023 08:43:35
ahmad- the issue with city and chelsea seems obvious :they have money and will ride out any scenario. Everton are imo being used as scapegoats but their plight and actions should have been sorted at the time. With city and chelsea, it has been allowed to ramble on for in citys case over a decade and is still miles away. OPersonally think that there are worries that the big "2" being severly punished could start a rollercoaster repeat of the breakaway?
Newcastle and others will come to light over the next couple of years and can see a backlash if clubs "loan" players from saudi or feeder clubs as apparently that door is still open.
2.) 23 Nov 2023 10:15:44
Cheating is cheating, if you break the rules to gain an advantage over the opposition you should be punished accordingly.
It shouldn't matter how it's done. If a club bribes officials, that's cheating.
If a club has a doping programme, to gain an advantage by giving their players performance enhancing drugs, that's cheating.
If a club intentionally breaks financial rules, giving them a clear advantage over their opponents, that's cheating.
The more money a club spends typically correlates with how successful they are. At the very least it gives them greater access to better players through transfer fees and being able to offer higher wages. Which gives them an advantage over the opposition.
If one or two sides are breaking the rules then the sporting integrity of the league is compromised. It doesn't matter whether that team wins the league or finishes 17th, their cheating will have impacted who wins the title, who qualifies for Europe and who gets relegated.
Everton have been convicted of 1 breach of FFP and have been given a 10 point deduction. That sets a precedent.
If a club is found guilty of more than 1 breach of FFP then they will have to suffer a punishment greater than a 10 point deduction, and in line with the level of cheating.
If Man City are found guilty of over 100 FFP breaches then I really cannot see anything less than relegation.
I mean going on the Everton precedent of 1 breach equals -10 points. Then if City are found guilty of 100 breaches then that's -1000 points??
Relegation to just the championship would be a lenient punishment in light of the Everton punishment.
3.) 23 Nov 2023 10:44:13
Never going to happen shappy, u and I both know it. The case will be lucky to see the light of day and will disappear under red tape for years. They will then hope we’ve all forgot about it. Everton are being used as the sacrificial lamb and if punishment isn’t issued to others then the premier league will show that they are disingenuous and corrupt.
4.) 23 Nov 2023 12:35:46
Tim, if it doesn't happen then the end of the EPL won't be because of a breakaway European league, but because the organisation has undermined itself and destroyed it's integrity.
5.) 23 Nov 2023 12:48:29
Integrity? lol!
6.) 23 Nov 2023 20:51:47
City will not get away with ant form of cheating and will be punished. Everton punishment has set the cogs in motion. No way on earth Everton, other clubs and the premier league will hope its all forgotten as Everton would cause a stink and rightfully so. Everton cheated and so have city on a more larger scale. might be next year, but city are screwed.
7.) 24 Nov 2023 19:03:10
Chelsea have been here. were banned from bringing in players (i think as Lampert was manager first time) . then they appealed and they won.
8.) 24 Nov 2023 19:04:20
Also. on the flip side. does the everton pts deduction set a precedent and city will also be punished.
9.) 25 Nov 2023 15:20:52
Points deduction or money mean nothing long term. They gained an advantage over their opponents, therefore their domestic trophies should be stripped from them.
Let the history books show that cheaters don't prosper.
10.) 26 Nov 2023 21:10:36
The biggest advantage they have is Texi and Pep, Pep is obviously a great manager but Texi keeps finding him players. I am pretty damn sure that Texi would not have allowed the United mess under his watch.
11.) 27 Nov 2023 11:56:25
What should happen would be similar to what happened Juventus some time ago - stripped of titles and relegated several leagues
That would set a strict precedent for the consequences of blatantly cheating, but it will probably be a slap on the wrist and a fine
If no strict punitive process is taken, then what stops other clubs doing the same? Rich states take over, spend what they want and illegally inflate their sponsorship deals to cover the big spending, win loads and pay a small fine then which invariably would be peanuts compared to the money brought in from winning a pile of trophies.
{Ed001's Note - do you spell fine b r i b e by any chance?}
15 Nov 2023 06:33:41
Have to love all the SJR stuff in the media from him wanting to sell Cas and Varrane, Antony to mending fences between Sancho and eth.
I think most is so far from the truth in terms what they are focusing on at the moment.
1.) 15 Nov 2023 07:27:07
We've had so many windows where managers would come and sell this or that player.
And replace them with someone of similar quality.
If we decide to sell Casemiro, would we bring in someone who has the potential to better in a few years?
2.) 15 Nov 2023 08:38:10
Clickbait. Made up nonsense.
3.) 15 Nov 2023 16:14:18
@Fizz didn't Ed02 said on the rumours page that Utd would be willing to sell Casemiro?
4.) 16 Nov 2023 06:44:54
Reman
I read that too and ed002 said we were planning this past summer for Cas and Varrane move next summer and it kind of makes sense when you read the stuff about our interest in cb's and the DCM. I suspect its always been part of the plan but the media is making it sound its SJR plan. The rpelcament targets might chnage given the change in DOF that looks imminent.
I also suspect SJR and new leadership would sanction it, given their age and wages and part of moving forward. Both are great players imo and model pro's and I have never heard or read anything about them that changes that and as long as they are here will always support them.
10 Nov 2023 07:19:27
I was having a long heated debate yesterday with a friend of mine on United and led me go do some research and look things up.
He was like many saying eth has spend money and we should be doing better and like many using Antony as a rod for the manager.
Arteta is 4 windows has signed 29 players at arsenal. 5 loan deals but higher quality stuff like odegard, raya, . 657 mill spent
Pep has signed 52 players at city in 7 seasons and one loan deal. Their spend is quite interesting as they don't do cheap signings and all seem to be in certain bracket. They also seem to move players on if they don't work out and purchase someone else. 1.15 billion spend.
Klop has signed 45 players in his 8 years at liverpool with 2 being loan deals. 850 mill spend. They seem to sign more free transfers compared to city and arsenal.
Eth has signed 16 players at United with 6 loan deals in 2 seasons. 4 of those loan deals are gone now and 2 players currently on loan. 384 mill spent
If we get into net spend, which i did not have time to look up properly but we are way off all these teams as they seem to do well moving players on and getting good fees.
If you look at spending since eth has come on by top 6 rivals.
Chelsea at 966 mill
United at 384 mill
Arsenal at 375 mill
Spurs at 374 mill
City at 343 mill
nc 295 mill
Some surprises are westham at 295 mill and forrest at 265 mill
Proceeds form sales NCare the worst and then its United and we are off by some margin comparatively to the rest.
The data is interesting and you can form your own conclusions.
1.) 10 Nov 2023 07:33:11
Sorry missed liverpool
They spend 260 mill last two windows.
2.) 10 Nov 2023 07:55:40
And all of them above us in EPL apart from Chelsea and all of them playing better football than us.
Really it’s net spend that matters if no return it’s totally wasted money.
So dress it up how you like but at end of day you wasted much time yesterday to try prove a point and achieved zero.
3.) 10 Nov 2023 08:50:53
Who cares about money it’s not mine or yours
The only thing that matters is trophies and the style of play.
4.) 10 Nov 2023 09:08:37
Blackpool. 100% correct.
5.) 10 Nov 2023 09:28:46
And they have spoken. pearls of wisdom.
6.) 10 Nov 2023 10:49:53
Ahmad,
Rangers is him again, don’t rise to it.
7.) 10 Nov 2023 11:08:28
And arguably all spent so much wiser, at least how it looks currently.
I'd love to be able to look back in a few years at some of our signings in this period and say, well he had a shaky start but came good. Sadly I don't have much optimism that's going to happen.
Antony is the latest United player under the spotlight, seems like they've all had a turn in recent months but he's an easy target. £82m.
Doku - £55m. One of the most exciting players I've seen in recent times and has genuinely improved the best club side in the world.
Mitoma - a hilarious £2.5m. Ok, you can argue he's left-sided, and hasn't hit the heights of last season. But come on. Urgent overhaul of the transfer process, from scouting to negotiating, required.
8.) 10 Nov 2023 11:55:14
GDS2
Pl standing 2021/ 2022
City 93
Liverpool 92
Chelsea 74
Spurs 71
Arsenal 69
United 58
Westham 56
When people say style and look we have spend money and where is our cruyf football. The rest are spending and no one is standing still and coming from a much better base imo, nc being the exception as they may not have had the players but looks like a very good setup working to a plan.
Everyone is much further down the road than we are, operating in a stable environment with Chelsea being the exception but that is going to change soon imo and they will come good later this year.
We finished 35 points behind city and 13 points off 4th place and it is very subjective in terms of what is the gap to bridge and how many players and more spend is needed to compete for the league.
I actually thought we would push on and do better this year but the injuries first and foremost, prolonged takeover saga and I assume the instability that comes with it. Then Sancho, Antony, Greenwood and the three ring circus around the club have tempered my expectations.
We need to catch a break, get the noise level down and operate in a semi stable environment that includes avoiding injuries, ownership clarity, no player issues and just some normalcy of what should be standard around a football club.
9.) 10 Nov 2023 11:57:55
blackpool red - regarding the money; it comes from us in varying ways, the tickets, the shirts, the subscription to tv and on and on. We as fans have no other main option other than to not go, not watch and not buy product but that is shooting ourselves in the foot and with the fan base as large as it is there will be plenty to fill the stadiums and eventually succumb to the sales and marketing. So sorry, but it is important that we as fans have an opinion on where the cash is spent for our enjoyment. In saying that nobody who deals with finance at the club is going to listen lol.
10.) 10 Nov 2023 12:12:55
Our spending, recruitment and being wise don't go together. That's a structural thing at the club.
11.) 10 Nov 2023 13:30:21
The manager didn’t spend the money. They help identify the players, and it’s up to the club to agree a fee. We’ve overpaid for dozens upon dozens of players, which has been used as a stick to beat whichever manager is in place at that time.
12.) 10 Nov 2023 17:32:38
Clearly we have had a major issue with our recruitment. We have invested in many players for no return when they leave. We are paying ridiculous wages. Which in turn inflates even our own internal wages.
Eth has not had more recruitment that others who took on similar big challenges. He also is not getting the support to remove players that do not suit how he wants to play. Players need to leave. New players need to come in to fit the style. Then you will see a big improvement.
But if you don't see that, there is no debate. You either believe I the project of you dont. The director of football and CEO need to change. Then they will be responsible for that decision.
To look at EtH now and say he has been a failure in my view is wrong, he is fastest to 50 wins in our history. Doesn't sound like failure to me. He has a crazy amount of off field issues. Injuries galore.
I am just backing this guy above the players until the club gets it's sh1t together. I live varane. don't know what is going on. But eth is te stability and strength we need right now, so back him and let's get going. I would drop every 1st team player and play kids before turning on him.
13.) 10 Nov 2023 19:33:48
It's no shock that Ten Hag signings haven't been great, he didn't build that Ajax team, Overmars did, he did an excellent job of coaching what aovermars gave him.
United should have got in someone who has built teams to build him one.
Murtaghvjas never built a team either so not sure what United were thinking tbh.
14.) 10 Nov 2023 20:56:38
I tend to agree dodgy, a good read I enjoyed that.
There are issues that eth has handled well imo and others not so well again imo.
He has players he believes in and trusts and they also believe and trust him. However, he also has several who don't believe in, like or trust him nor he them. So it's a very divided camp and not a great environment to help produce your best form. Eth needs to sort that out as priority no 1 imo. If there is no unity there is no united.
January won't sort it but he needs to put some sticking plasters in place till the summer. That's within his control and he needs to find the answers from within himself. Too much stick and not enough carrot I've seen it described as.
Horrible run of luck with long term injuries. Horrible run of luck and noise with off field issues, horrible run of luck with VAR.
He is limited in his ability to play his preferred style from the back because his players aren't up to it. This renders onnana! s best assets redundant. This also nullifies his whole philosophy to a certain extent.
But he is the leader he needs to unite the dressing room to a better extent.
There is no doubt he is in a tough spot with SJR and team arriving soon it remains to be seen if they want to get on the eth bus or start their journey with their man.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what happens.
If we stick with eth with the correct structure around him great if they put a new structure in place with their man in, then great.
Either way it's going to be a couple more seasons of ups and downs before we see real consistency and the benefits of whatever they put in place.
In 2 years time I'd be surprised if any more than 6 of this seasons 1st team squad will be at the club.
15.) 10 Nov 2023 23:08:29
The reality is that rival fans make everything out to be a big deal and will always look for sticks to beat us, the media love to create a "United crisis" story, especially if they smell blood in the water. While there is a weird section of Manchester United supporters who do everything bar support the club.
I've watched pundits totally excuse City dropping points, despite the world class squad and Pep as manager, on the basis that they had Rodri suspended. City missing one player and its understandable that they drop points. While those same pundits don't feel that its a reasonable excuse for United to drop points despite having 5 or 6 first choice players missing.
There are biases and agendas everywhere you look and they rarely reflect well on our club.
Case in point this post. Despite United having been horrifically mismanaged for over a decade, to the point of now needing to rebuild the entire squad. People will point to the money United have spent under EtH and say he has to be playing better. Yet most of his rivals have spent a similar amount of money over that same period and all of them had the luxury of doing so with a squad in a better position of strength. so their signings were those that elevate an already good squad. As opposed to the signings United will have to make to just get us to having a decent squad.
As I've said previously United probably need to move on 15-18 players and buy 12-15 players to replace them. More if some of the younger players in our squad don't reach their potential. Given that the average player bought by a top four side to go into their first 11 is currently at around the 50m mark that would equate to between 600-750m minimum just to get the squad to where it needs to be from this point.
I also don't believe people are being totally fair when judging the players signed under EtH. Yes we have overpaid for several, but that is not down to the manager.
Casemiro almost singlehandedly held our midfield together last season and was arguably among the best CDM's in the world. He helped carry us to two cup finals, winning one of them for our first silverware in 6 years. In terms of impact in the first team he has absolutely been a success. This season his form seems to have dropped off, but given his age it was always going to be a short term signing. Also I think his bad form is being made to look significantly worse this season due to the injuries of his teammates and how that has meant the defence is dropping deeper while the forward line still looks to press high. This creates much more space in midfield and leaves them exposed more than they would be if the defence was capable of playing a higher line.
Martinez has probably been our best signing in a long time. He was excellent and again one of the best players in the league in his position.
Eriksen has been a very good signing for us. He makes a difference when he is on the pitch. Again obviously not a long term signing.
Malacia has been a completely fine signing, generally good when he's plaid. While his presence did seem to push Shaw on to play better. He's a player that for what we paid for him and given his age was actually a fairly smart signing. Someone who was inexpensive, signed on a relatively low wage. A player who has potential to kick on and become a very good player for us, or one that if he doesn't kick on we should be able to sell him for at least the 12m we paid for him, if not more.
Antony has been the flop, we knew we were overpaying for him when we signed. Although I don't think any of us realised just how much we were over paying.
Yet 4 out of 5 of EtH's first summer window signings have been a success. The problem is that 2 of them were never going to be long term options.
There is literally no point talking about the loan players. EtH has literally been forced to use the loan market as the club haven't had the ability to bring in proper targets on permanent deals.
This summers signings I don't think are bad signings. Certainly it's too early to say one way or another. Onana is a good keeper who can play in the modern way. His transition into the team has been particularly tricky given all the injuries and constant chopping and changing we've ben forced to do in defence. Given his age, profile and the current cost of players I don't think his transfer was a particularly expensive or overpriced one. He is a highly rated keeper, 27 years old and entering his prime but with space for more improvement (keepers often peak later), and he was playing for a top side and helped them make the UCL final last season.
Mount given his contract situation we have probably overpaid for, but I'm still confident that he'll prove to be a good signing for us.
Hojlund again debatable if we paid a little too much, yet in the first couple of months he looks most likely of the summer signings to be an undisputed star and valuable first team player for years to come.
Bayindir was brought in as a back up keeper for 4m. It's a nothing signing and almost impossible to fail at that fee given the expectations of a back up keeper.
So of the 9 players he has signed to actually be a part of his team (and not loan players brought in to fill out and patch up a poorly constructed squad) . Only one can be considered an undisputed flop so far (Antony), all the others have either done well, been useful for the role they were signed (Malacia and Bayindir), or it's too early to make a real judgement.
The only real complaint is that we have overpaid for several of them (Antony, Casemiro, Mount and possibly Hojlund) . Yet the fees paid are not down to the manager.
Is EtH the right man long term? Who knows. Certainly with all the upheaval we are anticipating behind the scenes it might become clear that the club and the manager have different ideas about the direction of the team. In which case a parting of the ways would be inevitable. However, for this season I think the manager has earned his right to be given the chance to continue and work through this bad patch.
I mean we are 11 league games into the season. Eleven games ago EtH was the manager who had dealt with several massive issues such as Greenwood, Ronaldo, and the sale upheaval. He had started to move out players who were clearly not good enough, and had made signings that had generally been a success or were exciting signings ahead of the new season. He has just presided over a successful season taking the team from 6th place to 3rd in his first season, winning a cup and making another final. He is also the quickest manager in our history to 50 wins.
Nothing that has happened this season undoes any of that. This season he has had to deal with an utter s**t show quite frankly. The continued disruption caused by the sale of the club. A situation that clearly hampered him and the club during the summer transfer window. He's had Sancho kicking off and acting like a spoilt brat. The utter shambles the club made of attempting to reintroduce Greenwood to the squad, the media backlash, followed quickly by the club backtracking. The ridiculous injury list and the having to constantly chop and change his team. Then finally the media's hounding and trying to make a storm in a teacup.
While all of this is going on, while he deals with all that going wrong, most of it totally out of his hands. Not once have we seen him lose control and throw his toys out the pram in the manner that Arteta has done last weekend when bless him his side had a couple of decisions go against him. God knows how Arteta would have coped if Arsenal had anything like the long list of appalling poor decisions that we have had to endure this season. he'd have probably bombed the PGMOL headquarters by now.
I actually feel the way EtH has been able to keep his head and stay calm despite everything that is going on around him and the club this season just further highlights his top class mentality and why he is a manager deserving of working at the highest level. He has the right temperament to work in the pressure cooker environment. That isn't something many have.
16.) 11 Nov 2023 06:06:01
Some amount of excuses for a ropey manager he's spent a fortune on bad players if you can't see that do you even watch games? ETH is really struggling most well run clubs wouldve binned him by now the blame lies squarely at him for your non existent zombie style football i'd be worried if my club had a manager who spent heavy money on likes of Malacia Antony etc even Martinez he's had a few good months rest of the time he's been pony as well fair play to you for seeing some positives but come on you were just completely outplayed by Copenhagen over 2 games who spend nothing and are basically a conference/ europa level side if these performances carry on your dutch fella be gone by xmas even the glazers won't let such a slide continue.
17.) 11 Nov 2023 08:59:58
Don't worry Gers, we know your family has to share the same single brain cell and it hasn't been your turn for quite a while ?.
18.) 11 Nov 2023 13:15:05
I am truly behind this manager and was trying to get rid of the throw away comments we have spent money, news flash everyone is spending money.
He took over a broken team with so many legacy issues that it takes a a few years to clean it up in the best of circumstances and we all know we don't have anything resembling that. We finished 35 points behind the winning team in the pl. if people want to hang a overspend on Antony on him as being a bad manager they are trolls imo and i see we have a few who change their usernames but post the same nonsense stuff.
We will get there if he is given time and the culture of the place is starting to change. Benching varrane speaks volumes to me, if you are not playing well, you don't play just based on name recognition.
19.) 11 Nov 2023 13:35:12
Ooooft coming from you shappy that is rich a man who rambles paragraph after paragraph yet says nothing of note and in fact contradicts himself even in the same paragraph you my man have way to much time on your hands. Have u ever played or Coached in any capacity i have at a reasonable level and would back my knowledge of how things are ahead of yours any day not been nasty here just the way it is . Bet you thought Ole was the man as well at the time?
20.) 11 Nov 2023 14:19:07
when you said I back myself you lost me. Problem with most men sitting on their sofa drinking beer/ wine and thinking that way :)
21.) 12 Nov 2023 09:56:17
Ahmad i wasnt trying to find you pal your another absolute authority on how a club is run i forgot that my bad UTD is badly run very for a so called big club but the excuses you fellas make for managers is unreal everythings the Glazers fault why even have a manager if nothing's there fault? A big problem at UTD is these ridiculous 3 year rebuilds why even 3 years? Basically the manager has to show very little progress for 3 years or until he has X amount of his own signings whatever happened to actually coaching at UTD improve what youve got its a squad full of international players look at Newcastle relegation candidates Howe comes in makes a few transfers changes a few players positions ie Almiron Joelinton there a top side. It doesn't take years look at it this way UTD highest spend in EPL highest wage bill in EPL biggest stadium in EPL biggest support in EPL so youve definitely been punching well below your weight since Jose won the europa league. Could be along with having a shocking DoF your stupidity in backing managers making little progress ie writing of seasons is holding u back . 1 big trophy the europa in what 5/ 6 years is shocking.
22.) 12 Nov 2023 11:27:45
Ahmad also what's a legacy issue that's just a buzzword surely? Domt think anybody would look at just Antony in isolation tho that's definitely been the worst signing maybe ever in the epl at the price surely u can't think anyone who dosent think the managers very good is a troll UTD usually get booed of after a home game are they all trolls as well? Maybe TH will turn it around but there has to be a timescale has to be goals every season there is even at amateur level management. In football there's only winning and loosing there's no culture that's just excuses only culture that matters is winning in any sport no trophy's or title challenges at big clubs means sacked i'm afraid ?. Time utd stopped with these pathetic buzzwords culture changes etc and started winning trophies. Agree on Varane tho he's done at this level McGuires a far better player and needs to keep his place him and Mctom are by far your best players atm i think.
23 Nov 2023 07:55:10
i would be happy to see a serious cleaning up of the squad with a lot of exits. we could use 3 or 4 going in jan as the manager has said many times he does not like big squads. some the players are toxic by just hanging around.
15 Nov 2023 06:43:28
Dbrooks
David's first touch is also poor and I would think he is way down the list for us. I think the guy from forrest, Awoniyi is a good striker and maybe not as sexy as some of the guys playing in other European leagues but PL proven and you know what you are getting.
Ed002
Is there any interest in him from United or any other teams.
{Ed002's Note - ten Hag tried to sign him for Ajax butif the price can be resolved he will move to Milan.}
15 Nov 2023 07:07:46
Shappy
I think the stuff written about Ineos and nice good or bad is of no relevance to what is happening at United.
Its like comparing apples to oranges and just noise. We are a much more complicated project if you want to call it that given our size and magnitude of things to deal with.
What would be very interesting is when this deal gets announced, if they also announce a change of leadership at the same time, which would speed things up.
13 Nov 2023 06:53:50
Nice wage bill is 22/ 23 mill euros. psg wage bill 270 mill euros. I think they know what they are doing even with some early set backs. Need to build a sustainable model that works to a plan and not reactive like we have been for so long now.
People who question them on their venture in nice, nice last won the French league in 1960 and never been considered in the same bracket as Marseille, lyon, lille, Monaco. Their revenues are tiny and not a case study or comparative to United.
They basically bought a midtable team and fans and their expectations is typical football fans. They made a mistake of saying they wanted to challenge PSG and have walked that back a bit now. Their biggest single sponsor is Ineos btw, go figure:)
10 Nov 2023 09:50:57
Thank you edd02. Very insightful.
30 Nov 2023 06:30:14
Ramsdale has mistakes in him galore. Post match, I have watched the videos of the second goal and did not realize Martial had a chance to clear that ball and his effort is poor. No question Onana has to save that even with martial half hearted effort.
29 Nov 2023 09:15:48
I don't think Hoiland will start or might not even play depending on what happens during the game. I think its Antony or Pellistri on the right. If Bruno starts on the right we may see Hanibal in midfield 3 with Mainoo and MC. Have to keep it tight and hopefully score first and take the crowd out of it. I think awb starts.
I watched them against Bayern at home and if not for their finishing they could have had 3 or 4 goals and were all over them before Bayern did anything. First 70 minutes was all Gala and expect them to come full throttle against us tonight.
28 Nov 2023 06:47:13
I think the problem with many of our signings over the last 10 years has been age profiles and short sightedness. We really had no long term plan and were always doing deals for players who had name recognition but at the end of their careers and we never really got to see their best version. Combine that with the absolute busts its been a large waste of money.
I think Bruno, Dalot, Shaw have been great signings. then you have the likes of lindelof, Varrane, Ronaldo, Mata, Herrera who were decent signing in terms of performance.
Personally not enough signings of players in the 18-21 years old profile with a longer term view. I think if your academy is not producing enough then you should be signing a couple a year as a minimum with some sort of allocation of your transfer spend specificly for them.
27 Nov 2023 23:34:36
Gary Neville says there was no plan to add a midfielder speaking to people at united and the plan was Mainoo was the guy. Mainoo's injury forced us to do the Ambrabat loan deal.
I trust this manager when it comes to knowing talent and integrating them into the team.
27 Nov 2023 19:34:26
rangersred
You are truly a toxic troll. Every signing but Ambrabat and Onana are injured atm and were not available for selection or in the squad.
It must be very disappointing for you, we won and nothing to post for a few days and now you conjure up another one of your useless posts.
TROLL.