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03 Aug 2019 14:20:49
I’ve loved reading the posts this week and for what it’s worth, here’s my view.

Maguire is not necessarily the greatest defender but he seems like a big character and as has been said he is better than what we have. The price is irrelevant to me, fees are soon forgotten (unlike wages) . I think he will settle quickly and make a difference.

AWB looks a quality buy in a position where we have struggled so I’m confident that will look a steal as the season progresses.

James has huge potential, looking forward to seeing how he develops.

Dybala I don’t want. No idea where it came from and we really shouldn’t be entertaining it. Fancy name, not pulled up any trees for a couple of years, really don’t see where he fits in.

Fernandes look quality and would be a good signing and if we are interested then I have no idea why it is taking so long.

We need to ship Pogba out as quickly as possible, assuming anyone has made any sort of sensible offer. I don’t buy the line that he’s really popular. If he isn’t committed to the cause then he needs to leave.

Sanchez also needs to go. I’d even let him go on a free or nominal fee as it would free up at least £15M because of his ridiculous contract.

Lukaku also needs to go and again I’d take the best offer that is on the table. We may lose on the fees but the benefit to team spirit and morale of shipping out players who don’t want to be her is immense. There’s a bunch of other players we need to move on and again we should make it attractive to potential buyers. Darmian and Rojo for starters.

Imagine those 5 gone, 4 new signings (I’m assuming a CM is coming), and a few from the youth promoted. The feel and mood will be lifted and with the extra fitness and energy, with everyone committed and pulling in the same direction, who knows where we will get to.

I fear there is not enough time left to move players on but for me that is just as important on bringing new ones in.


1.) 03 Aug 2019 14:37:38
It would be foolish to let pogba leave so late in the window, no chance we have enough time to obtain a replacement.

Saul would fit the bill, but that would be a complicated deal and there are questions marks over whether he would even want to come.

Are SMS or fernandes as good as pogba? if looked at objectively you would say they were not on his level.

Dybala is probably the clearest route to getting rid of lukaku as inter milan are unable to source the funds to do a deal, so this swap deal is a pretty good compromise to get rid of a player who doesn't fit oles style and bring in a player who does.

25, 5 year contract means we have plenty of scope to get a resale value when he inevitably pines for a move to madrid or Barcelona like pogba. Could be a shrewd bit of business by the club.

2.) 03 Aug 2019 14:49:29
DSG, if you put my reservations aside, Ed002 has said Dybala doesn’t want to come. If he’s having to be convinced then we shouldn’t do it,

3.) 03 Aug 2019 15:15:18
Tony do you honestly expect Dybala to happily want to leave a team with Ronaldo and several stars which is guaranteed at least a major trophy and also UCL football every season and come over to us because we are Manchester United?

That ship has sailed!

No matter how attractive a team is, it still has to make an effort to appeal to a prospective player.

4.) 03 Aug 2019 15:18:42
I honestly think you will be surprised how many player would not want to join us this summer. No champions league is a big loss especially in a window where bayern, real, Barcelona and juve are all making big deals.

Look at sancho, he realised that coming to united this window would be not be ideal for his development when we are undergoing significant changes and his development was much better suited staying at dortmund.

Does that mean we shouldn't go in for him next summer when we will still need to convince him we are the right club with the right stability for him to continue his development?

Dybala is an oppurtune signing granted but if he does join it won't be against his will, quite a few player over the year have needed to be convinced/ persuaded to join clubs.

5.) 03 Aug 2019 15:23:18
I really don't get why people would wants Pogba to stay. Old may say all the right things about Pogba having a great attitude blah blah blah, but the player clearly wants out.
If we keep hold of him against his wishes we will just have the same circus every transfer window. It's unsettling for everyone, including Old, despite what he may say in public.

Pogba is obviously talented and is a match winner on his day. I understand that, but keeping an unhappy player is counter productive.

On the flip side, we shouldn't be forced to sell him on the cheap. But over inflating his price so that he is effectively priced out of a more is daft in my opinion.

Despite the fact that some fans 'hero worship' some players, Pogba is not worthy of that label. Talent is nothing without application, effort and desire and Mr Pogba is severely lacking in the later.

6.) 03 Aug 2019 15:35:43
Until last week his name hadn’t come up, nobody on here had suggested we try and buy him or he would add anything to our team. Now suddenly many are drooling over him and I don’t get it. We should have learned from Di Maria. He doesn’t want to come, allegedly he wants £350K a week, allegedly his agent wants £13M, it’s possibly taken our focus from Fernandes. The only positive I can see is we lose Lukaku, that’s about it.

I don’t really buy the Champions League argument. Actually I do buy it and it hacks me off. There’s only a few teams that will win it, and there seems to be a snobbishness that has materialised with players ‘not wanting to take a step down’. I’m not sure how we’ve allowed it to become so important, for me the domestic title is still the biggest trophy by far.

7.) 03 Aug 2019 15:37:47
Of course he needs convincing AJH. He is not a fan like is. He is at a top club where his life family and friends are and you think a good pitch and lots of reassurances are not required.
You don't seem to be the sort of chap to make knee jerk life changing decisions without due consultation and thought process and advice. Do you think dybala should?

8.) 03 Aug 2019 15:56:18
Is aguero not a good example why is it always di Maria.
Do people think aguero was a life long city fan desperate to move to a team that had won nothing for years?
Or did him and his agent need a bit of convincing and a bucket of cash .

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't sign him but there's a bit of a line in the sand starting with one or 2 players,

9.) 03 Aug 2019 16:02:27
Of course he's reluctant. We're not exactly known for stability are we. He enjoys life in Italy and is reluctant to leave. But Juve are forcing him out.

10.) 03 Aug 2019 16:03:54
Madrid have been making sensible offers for Pogba throughout this window.

UTD think they can get more with very little other clubs being able to afford him.

Only a few clubs or so at the over inflated fee and wages able to afford Pogba which sees UTD keeping a player who wants to leave *evil laugh*.

Barcelona not going to sign Pogba.

11.) 03 Aug 2019 16:09:33
What offers have real made?

12.) 03 Aug 2019 16:24:59
Guys AJH has a point. The problem is not there is a convincing required for Dybala. But why to convince a player who is not seen as much needed who is not willing to move to us who will demand monstrous wage who has stalled for the past year. If it is someone who we have identified as main target it's worth going through the trouble. Imagine we sign him and has not really worked out then we will have another player on 350k wages very difficult to move.

13.) 03 Aug 2019 16:35:27
I said the same to shappy last week jred.
People are saying don't sign him he doesn't want to be here. Yet those same purple are saying keep pogba even though he doesn't want to be here.
If dybala comes and he and the team are successful he will love it at United. Just like aguero has done.
Im not desperate for him to sign if he does it would be potentially a very good and exciting signing.

14.) 03 Aug 2019 17:00:59
My wider point is he hadn't been mentioned by anybody, the fans hadn't suggested him nor were the club pursuing him. Suddenly a swap is on, not exactly thought through is it?

15.) 03 Aug 2019 17:02:49
You could say the same with pogba, if go his and uniteds way he may have a change in heart .
Not sure why everything needs to be set in stone .
I'm far from convince dybala would be a good fit in the epl, who who knows.

16.) 03 Aug 2019 17:11:34
Is it possible for a player to come in, not really wanting to come in at first and then change his mind? If he is the consummate professional, he might also put in some decent performances.

Also, he could just say no right now?

17.) 03 Aug 2019 18:00:01
He was mentioned a few month ago, don't know if the reports where true but he was linked a few months back.
But some times a player becomes available and you take a chance, any Cole, king Eric.

Is it possible that a player wants to leave then circumstances change and he changes his mind, Or do we hold it against him for the rest of his career.

18.) 03 Aug 2019 18:01:09
The club have had interest in dybala for 12 months according to ed002. i'm not convinced but he is a very talented player so if he settles it could work out.
Pogba is here and if he stays and does well he may well have a change of heart i agree but i'm not one for keeping unhappy players it usually doesn't work out. We can on my hope it does if he stays.

19.) 03 Aug 2019 19:33:15
Hi jred, not at all. I think if a player has a change of heart and wants to stay, put in the performances etc, he should most definitely get the chance. I think that's quite fair. But definitely no point keeping a player that is unhappy and wants to move. Does this answer work?

Is there a particular player you are talking about or just anyone in general?

20.) 03 Aug 2019 20:00:04
To many to mention to be honest once any one makes a mistake or reportedly does you want them out.
Lazy bad attitude said this said that.

21.) 03 Aug 2019 20:17:14
No, I'd like you to mention them. Very happy to give you my reasons behind everyone.

I'm quite sure that when I have shown my dissatisfaction in a player it is usually merited, justified.

I don't call for players to be bought and sold like in a game of FIFA.

I also am very happy to back good, hard working and loyal players when many dont. Again, when I feel its justified.

Feels like you're just having a pop though. It's something you like to do quite often. I hope I haven't upset you at any point. Or will you hold my opinions against me for the rest of my time posting on here? 😊.

22.) 03 Aug 2019 22:15:30
We have appointed Director of football - it's AJH

All sound decisions taken. 🤫.

23.) 04 Aug 2019 09:23:15
Reading the page the last day or two it’s clear we don’t need any insight from Ed002 as maxlfc knows absolutely everything about our club lol.

24.) 04 Aug 2019 20:42:32
Oh man :P
Wrote a post about how the youngsters are doing, and how you feel about them and this turned into Pogba/ Dybala debate.

25.) 05 Aug 2019 07:31:02
To be honest guys I don't care and the reason is we are focusing on players not playing for our club.
When the focus should be #GlazersOut.



24 Mar 2018 10:31:23
There are some that said Jesse wasn’t good enough and I guess there are still some that think he is at best a squad player but you have to give the lad credit. He keeps popping up scoring important goals and he plays with a smile on his face and seems to enjoy every moment. I’m so pleased for him and I hope he can take that final step and be consistent.


1.) 24 Mar 2018 16:25:04
He has always been highly thought off within the club. It was always accepted that he would take longer to find his feet due to his size. I read an interview with him where he said that Sir Alex always said he would become a real player when he's 25 like Tigana. I wonder how much of him really stepping up this season is down to him feeling that this year was going to be his year.

I did worry when we signed Sanchez as it was going to push either Lingard or Martial out of the side when arguably they we our best two forwards at that time. Maybe its time for Sanchez to be dropped for a game or two and make him fight for his place against players who are in form.

2.) 24 Mar 2018 16:40:40
Shaps, I don’t know why we bought Sanchez other than to stop City buying him. We had needs inother areas way before a left sided attacker was needed and even if he starts firing it just relegates Martial or Rashford. This smacks of Woodward and his marque signing obsession. I don’t want to upset you but if Bale is available you can bet your mortgage Ed will be there waving his chequebook.

3.) 24 Mar 2018 16:46:51
The thing with Jesse is you know he will work on the pitch and not hide. He has proven this year that he has more in the locker than people thought imo but he had the beginnings of a good season couple of years back when he got ani injury early on at Swansea I think. Change of personel and management has not deterred him and I think he has saved us a good few bob on bringing in a n other player.

4.) 24 Mar 2018 16:58:44
I was one of those thinking he wasn't going to be up to it and would be sold, at times I feel foolish, but then he can be anonymous far too often for me (like most of our attacking players) .

I still think in order for us to be competing at the very top we need better than Lingard. But if he improves again as much as he has over the past 18 months then he will deserve a regular berth in a top Utd team.

I love his energy and clever runs, maybe there is even more to come from him once we get back to playing proper attacking football and those runs will be picked out by players that currently refuse the pass and opt for 'safety' instead. I certainly would like him to impact games more consistently as well, 10 seconds of brilliance now and again is good, but we need more than that over a 90 minute match from an attacking midfielder.

5.) 24 Mar 2018 17:39:38
I agree Beastand that was my point about consistency. When he is good he is very good but often you can forget he is on the pitch, which is very frustrating when he gets himself in such good positions and scores such important goals. He needs to turn up for more games than he does, which I think he will if he continues to develop as he has done in the last year. And he is home grown which means a lot to me,

6.) 24 Mar 2018 17:52:11
Does he go missing or as mentioned above is it a case of him making good runs and his team mates not playing the creative pass to find him?

The best players score in the big games, which he does more consistently than those around him. H deserves his place in the team, he works hard, he offers movement and he can finish. I think he will thrive if we add more quality to the midfield. He is a bit of a social media whore, but as long as he performs on the pitch it’s not a problem. I wish pogba put half the effort in he does.

7.) 24 Mar 2018 18:33:58
Agree with all of the posts regarding jesse in some degree, better than dele alli in my opinion who plays a similar role especially this season.

8.) 25 Mar 2018 05:21:49
I must be the only one who doesn't yet rate him. He for me is going through his Smalling patch where player looks good for a season or 2 but with lingard it has only been 2 months rather than the whole season.

He was mostly anonymous until December and has been anonymous for most part since February. That is 2 good months in 3-4 years. Yes he scores some important goals from time to time but he going to have to perform much better to be more than a squad player.

9.) 25 Mar 2018 16:58:04
No MU player apart from De Gea has been sensational for long, playing good for some time and then playing poorly.

10.) 26 Mar 2018 14:14:47
CSM, that's not really fair, even if he's only started looking like a real top player this season, he's actually been doing well for the last couple of years. He was hardly "anonymous" before December anyway. 8 goals and assists in 17 games, 11 of which he played 30 minutes or less in, may not be setting the league on fire, but it's certainly not "anonymous".

Re: the consistency, I'm inclined to agree with Huggy. He's suffering from the way the team is playing, and would have a much more consistent impact if the runs he makes were picked out a bit more often by players behind him. Now, I'm not saying he's doing everything right, maybe he'd still be a bit inconsistent with players behind him looking for those runs and playing more positive football, but the point is that we don't really know, and I don't think it's fair to judge him too harshly when we don't really know how much of the inconsistency is down to him, and how much is down to the way the teamas a whole is playing.

I would really love to see Herrera used in a more advanced role, ahead of Matic rather than alongside him, where he can look to play the passes that someone like Lingard can feed on. It's too easy to see his great defensive performances last season and forget that he's a great passer of the ball, with an eye for getting team mates in behind the defence.

11.) 26 Mar 2018 14:23:10
That FA cup winning goal seemed to really kick him on and he’s improved a lot since then.


How you can say he’s been anonymous is beyond me, he’s probably scored more important goals than any other player in the last 2 years.

12.) 26 Mar 2018 14:53:27
Gds important goals don't mean consistency. Yes he scored against Chelsea and in fa cup final but can you remember a run of games until December where you could say he was consistently good. A first team player needs to be consistently good and unlike rashford or martial lingard isn't exactly in the youngster category.

Thorne he has been good this season but last season he had 5 goals and 3 assists in 42 games in lvg's last season he had 7 goals and 4 assists in 41 games. Those are not good figures and he needs get similar to his current nos before we can be sure that he has improved rather than going through a purple patch.

Also where exactly will he play next season jose wants savic added to the team and jorginho as replacement for carrick, so we most likely will be switching to a mf 3.

13.) 30 Mar 2018 18:44:50
Good player, nice lad, silly dancer.



17 Feb 2018 08:31:11
Interesting rumour this morning, Real ready to move for Pogba. Could be paper trash talk of course but if they did and the money was big, would you sell? Clearly the boy has talent but he has yet to dominate a game or deliver on his potential. Is that down to him, the Manager, or a combination of both.

If the money was silly should we cash in? The problem with that is that he may go on and become the dominating player we believe is in there somewhere, and replacing him will cost a fortune too. For me, I’d seriously consider it though.


{Ed002's Note - There is zero interest in Paul Pogba from Real Madrid. They have very, very different ideas who they want.}

1.) 17 Feb 2018 11:41:22
There is no way we should be selling Pogba it would be crazy to do so.

Its likr selling the next messi and then trying to go buy a next ronaldo because we are noy patient enough.

2.) 17 Feb 2018 11:59:12
"Cash in" wtf? So some now want to sell Pogba when we have few midfielders for a pretty poor return? You bored with FIFA?

3.) 17 Feb 2018 11:20:17
Yay. Thanks ed for that.



12 Jan 2018 21:19:21
All this talk of Sanchez has masked the rumour that Vardy is also being considered. Not sure if they would sell or at what price but I think he would slot in much easier, albeit he is a like for like with Lukaku. Sanchez’s attitude worries me, the stories from Arsenal about his isolationist approach do not bode well for team spirit. Hey ho, what do I know?


1.) 12 Jan 2018 21:28:45
I hope not. Hateful diving git, Gerrard, suarez, terry, barton, keown, cattermole, Vardy. all the same to me would of hated to see any of them in a red shirt.

2.) 12 Jan 2018 23:05:33
That's one heck of a team those lot would make. Lacks some wide players tho.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 05:53:05
bfbw, there too much hate in your heart, i'd have had Keown and Suarez any day of the week. Go hug a tree man.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 08:10:14
AJH Vardy is a player Maze likes and admired over the years for his tenacity as well as his rags to riches story but to say he is a better option than Sanchez is silly, very silly.

Wake up AJH you are dreaming of poorly fabricated scenarios.



08 Dec 2017 20:28:41
So, first of all, I share my birthday with Jonny Evans so put that your pipe and smoke it. Secondly, I may have had a little wine tonight so forgive me if I am less coherent than Ronnie during a transfer window.

Sunday is a big game and I hope that Jose wakes up and has an epiphany but I fear it will not happen. I believe it is better to die fighting than running away and in football that is also true. Inspire the troops, give them hope and belief, rouse their spirits, fill their hearts with pride and desire. Let’s not turn up to stifle and try and nick a goal on the break. I don’t care if they are the best team, like Pierre the famous French fighter pilot, let’s go down in flames (google it) .

We are United, a team steeped in history and tradition, we live or die by our standard, there are times to stand up and be counted, Sunday is one of those times. We win, or we lose in a blaze of glory, to be a United fan there are no in betweens.

Time for more wine.


1.) 09 Dec 2017 01:43:34
Jesse's performance at Arsenal will have given him food for thought. Maybe we can press high with a few players and cause some chaos amongst their back line. Worry is that Matic and Ander would have to play out of their skins.

The motivational piece is way more important than formation. Win your battles all over the pitch and you'll get a win.

2.) 09 Dec 2017 10:50:17
We’ll park the bus and try to catch them on the counter and via set pieces.




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16 Jun 2021 18:14:03
There's a young Welsh winger looks good tonight, perhaps we should sign him. Oh wait, we did.

There's definitely a player in there but I think he needs to bulk up and believe in himself, he always looks like a frightened rabbit in a United shirt.


1.) 16 Jun 2021 18:31:05
Or perhaps he should be used properly, show a bit of trust. Oh but the manager has his favorites. 🤣🤣.

2.) 16 Jun 2021 18:42:30
Rarely agree with you AJH but he has been good both games. I’d rather keep him over martial.

3.) 16 Jun 2021 18:43:57
If Wales were a PL team they would be equivalent of Southampton, which is about his level. Honest player but just runs fast no end product. and he runs in a straight line . they knock that out of you at under 15s . to easy to defend agains t.

4.) 16 Jun 2021 19:05:56
Thats true boyfromburrenway. Wonder who else in the team does just that, run very fast and a poor end result😋😋😋.

5.) 16 Jun 2021 19:07:48
The club is built on players who can rotate in, trusted to be 7/ 10, add to squad and do specific job exceptionally well.

Players like Butt, Fletcher, Park all leap to mind as examples but others are Sylvester, May, Fortune, Smith.

If Dan James can match them we have an excellent squad player there.

6.) 16 Jun 2021 19:15:54
You certainly can't knock James's attitude. He works his socks off. He needs a manager and coaching staff to nurture him properly, as well as applying himself in training.

Perhaps he feels less pressure playing for Wales than he does for UTD.

I personally don't think he what it takes to become a top player. I still think he is lacking technically.

7.) 16 Jun 2021 19:28:47
James does what he does best, uses his speed to go past players. Unfortunately tonight we saw what we usually see at United, no end product.
I think he makes a great squad player to come on at the end of a game and run at a tired defence. Should play back up to Rashford on the left and sell Martial, then have Greenwood and Sancho on the right for next season.

8.) 16 Jun 2021 19:46:29
Ole said and I quote 'James is the best defensive winger in world football'

9.) 16 Jun 2021 20:13:05
Utd have plenty of squad players, and Dan James is one. Hell, on his day (vs Leeds) he can be brought in out the cold and cause no end of problems. But Utd need 3-4 first teamers.

10.) 16 Jun 2021 20:47:46
I don’t see it. His decision making and final ball was still awful. You can get away with running for 90 mins when you play international football, but in the PL we need more quality than Dan James.

11.) 16 Jun 2021 21:27:35
There isn't a player in there, dan james is average.

12.) 16 Jun 2021 21:43:28
The commentators must get paid every time they say how good he is, how brilliant he was in each game and how he’s in amazing form.

He made that run down the wing earlier, went past the man, should have passed it 3 times and then eventually crossed it past every player in the middle.

A top player making that run and they score easily. Yet they showed it on tv and said that’s what makes him so great, not even mentioning that the final ball was worse than any of us could have done.

If running straight and fast with the ball and working hard were all you needed for football he would win the ballon d’or.

13.) 16 Jun 2021 22:19:14
A Few of our players have looked brilliant so far. James, Pogba, Lindelof have all started the tournament very well.

Keen to see Rashford ripping apart Scotland on Friday.

14.) 16 Jun 2021 22:48:25
He's a skinnier Traore.

15.) 17 Jun 2021 00:32:46
Dan James should have gone to Leeda and Bielsa not us.

16.) 17 Jun 2021 08:10:57
**** me lads, the original post was a bit tongue in cheek but to compare him to traore etc? We all knew we wasn’t going to be our next giggs but even his such ‘abysmal’ form for us has seen him surpass the stats of a certain someone’s favourite Buendia in his premier league season. He even bettered Traore. He leaves a lot to be desired but that kid gives his all 9/ 10. He plays with a smile on his face and he certainly knows what it is to play for that badge. Ask me if I want two of him in squad depth or two martials who whinge sulk and cry over a squad number until I get it back and still don’t perform, I take Dan James every time.

17.) 17 Jun 2021 09:35:56
I feel that James has suffered in the same way that Williams/ Van De Beek has suffered this year with OGS not favouring any players outside of the first 11 (obviously I do not get to see how they perform on the training ground) .
When we brought him I thought he had a decent first season considering he was coming in from Swansea, reasonable fee and looked like a punt/ long term project. Unfortunately, I think the lack of game time has affected him similar to others and his confidence has dropped. If he had played more last year, loaned out to a mid table club I think we could be seeing a different player.
I am not sure it will ever work with us especially as we are about to spend £80m on a player in one of his positions and seem to choose other options as cover on the left. I think if he moves on and he gets the right club we could see him have a strong premier league career.
From the outside looking in I see OGS as a good man manager as the players seem content, however with the players I have mentioned and lack of faith in the bench I can't help but wonder if my view is misguided.



14 Jun 2021 13:31:18
Watching the Euros and hearing who may be available makes me want to weep.

Take the England game. Imagine swapping Fred and Scott for Rice and Phillips. Rice will be available for the right price and they want Jesse so you would hope a deal could be done. But latest reports suggest Jesse wants to stay at United.

Then there is Saul. He seems to have lost his way but he is clearly a massively talented player, perhaps a new challenge would invigorate him and he is available at a reasonable price.

Then there is CB: there are some cracking ones on show but unless we are working hard behind the scenes, it is all quiet on this front.

We seem to be wasting time getting the Sancho deal over the line, it’s so frustrating watching this turgid circus of trying to tie up a deal. You would have hoped we had learned from last year yet here we are.

We have a good team and a decent squad but one that won’t challenge without a few positions being strengthened. RB seems to be a priority which may be a surprise to some of us. We desperately need a quality CB, DM, RW, and potentially a CM depending on what happens with Pogba. I doubt we will sign all those positions and I will put money on us not getting our first of second choices.

And a final point, the GK situation needs sorting. Pick one, release the other, sign a back up, even if that’s third choice.

I sincerely hope someone gets a grip sharpish.


{Ed077's Note - I don't know if Saul "lost his way" or not but the reason Atletico are happy to sell him is because of his huge contract that lasts for nearly half a decade still and he is a very saleable asset for them to fund their rebuild.

I would love it, love it if we signed Saul Niguez.

1.) 14 Jun 2021 14:35:57
Agree AJH, Rice would be a fabulous signing at defensive midfield.
Sancho is close to getting done going by majority of outlets.

A top class CB will wrap up a good window for us.
Hoping the new DoF pulls it off.

2.) 14 Jun 2021 15:13:51
Hope so TRD, but we also need to move some out. Jones, Pereira, Lingard, and dare I say Martial and potentially Pogba. Let’s refresh the team and squad.

3.) 14 Jun 2021 14:28:24
Calm down Keegan.

{Ed077's Note - :-D

4.) 14 Jun 2021 16:01:07
Can you imagine a Phil Jones testimonial?

{Ed077's Note - didnt he decline the chance for one saying that no one would turn up?}

5.) 14 Jun 2021 16:37:29
Yes 77 he did.

6.) 14 Jun 2021 17:30:54
phil Jones.
'I declined the opportunity for a testimonial as I know my onfield time has not warranted the honour. I hope to remedy that and hope that at the end of my career at Manchester United I will have earned my testimonial. Although I'm not sure too many will turn up.

7.) 14 Jun 2021 19:35:31
Ajh. The keeper situation turned into a bit of a sloppy mess.
He needs to make a decision and stick with it.
Rb should be a priority we need a different option there to mix it up. Awb is doing OK but needs to develop his game that's why trippier is ideal for me. Good experience and makes great runs off the ball and has crossing ability the sort cavan thrives on.
Cb. Not sure varanasi is a real option stinks of BS to me. Lots of decent options to choose from. Lindelof is weak imo.
If sancho is coming in which looks likely then in all probability 1 of pogba martial or ddg will be leaving to balance the wage bill.
Pogba circus looks like it will carry on for a bit.
Mata? Matic? Jones? Lindelof? Vdb? Pereira? Jesse? Henderson? Pogba? Martial? Tuanzebe? Ddg? James? All will be looking over their shoulder and all may have 1 eye on the exit door. Of course only a few of those will go.
If matic doesn't leave then we can't sign a no 6 like rice as we don't have room.
There is so many things to consider but I'd personally get the outs out first and work from there.

8.) 16 Jun 2021 14:15:39
@Ken why wouldn't we have room for a no6 unless Matic leaves?

The way I see it we currently have 4 no8s and Matic. Sell any one of Pogba, Fred or DVB, and there would be room.



27 May 2021 12:53:09
However, last night showed us precisely why he is unlikely to be successful.

The team selection was brave and probably the team we would have gone with. However the in-game management was poor.

Rashford, who I have defended stoutly was very very poor. I know he takes a decent penalty but his contribution through the match should have seen him hooked, probably at half time but certainly after an hour. Mata, Amad, DVDB would have all contributed more yet we persisted with him to the bitter end. It was like playing with 10 men.

When asked about the option of subbing on Henderson, Ole said ‘we thought about it’. We had 2 goalies, one who saves 50% of penalties and one who doesn’t save any, and we persisted with the one who doesn’t. Imagine subbing Hendo on and the impact it would have had on the Villareal players – ‘oh oh, here’s the keeper who saves penalties’. I’m sure they wouldn’t have known that but I’m sure DDG could have mentioned it to them on his way off.

The game got away from us and there was no intervention, we just kept doing the same things hoping they would work. We are a better team, we have better players, I’m not dissing Villareal but there is no excuse for losing that final.

Sometime players don’t perform, but it’s happening too often with us. A new CB to replace Lindelof will help, a top RW and DM will also help. But that doesn’t mean they will play well. Our players are either overplayed, poorly coached, unclear on what is needed, or just demotivated. To play as inconsistently as we have, sparks of brilliance followed by periods of turgid mediocrity is down to the Manager.

Ole is a top guy and I think he would make a great Assistant Manager, but he is passive and it all happens around him. He’s admitted we didn’t turn up, yet he didn’t make a sub until the very end, and then it was Fred. Its as if he’s just happy to have got to a final.

There may be issues at the club but watching us this year, it feels like so much more was achievable and yet we have fallen short. Too many losses against ‘lesser’ teams, too many semi-final losses, now a loss in a final, and on so many occasions a poor display.

I fear Woody is happy and he will get a new contract and do just enough to stop getting sacked.


1.) 27 May 2021 13:17:29
In my post below, I echo what you post.

Oleball works 50% of the time, but on too many occasions that boils down to 20min stints in games.
I think the return of a club hero, to turn the club around and deliver silverware. It’s a beautiful story, and I think we all loved the narrative, but essentially it’s just a hope. The reality is different.
Unfortunately we have Oleball, he might get better players to suit the style but teams have figured out that the low block stifles us and we need magic to score. As with most magic, it’s smoke and mirrors. Last night the illusion didn’t come off.
The important issue is, the low block isn’t a new phenomenon and why did ole even go down the Oleball route? It’s risk averse in nature.

2.) 27 May 2021 13:18:55
Good post ajh.
Was rashford worse than pogba or Bruno?
Not defending his performance but he was not alone.
I consider ole a danger to the clubs future he needs to be removed from his position.

3.) 27 May 2021 13:23:08
Liverpool will be stronger next year purely by default of not having as many injuries.

Chelsea will be stronger next year purely by default of having a competent manager for the whole season unlike this season.

Rumours of pochettino back to spurs and if they keep kane, will be stronger next season.

All that's left is Arsenal coming back or leicester finally holding their nerve and we could be back in 6th place if we don't have a good summer transfer wise.

Could be a rerun of the 2018/ 19 season under Jose.

4.) 27 May 2021 13:36:44
With Zidane going to psg potentially we may have some hope of getting rid of pogba. That would be the best start possible in summer window.

5.) 27 May 2021 13:40:50
Henderson has only saved 2 penalties in top flight games, in that situation you go with experience and I have no problem with that decision.

The bigger factor isn't the penalties, its the fact Ole let it get that far. Villareal's tactics were simple, they were Ole's normal tactics against better teams, sit back and hit them on the break. Ole's tactics decided to go on the attack, no problem with that, we were all happy with the selection. But when that tactic wasn't working and Villareal were just soaking up the pressure, Ole should have had a plan B, he didn't. The worst part of last night was the lack of substitutions, that indicates he didn't know any other way to play and was hoping for a moment of magic from one of the players, that is a reactive not proactive manager.
For me the most telling part of the evening was when the cameras panned to Fergie and Gill in the stands just before the penalties, both were shaking their heads and pointing at the pitch, neither looked particularly happy, will that translate to action from the board?

Personally I don't see any evidence that he can improve himself and the squad to challenge for a trophy, I think he has taken us as far as he can.

6.) 27 May 2021 14:06:27
Whilst last night was disappointing it was by no means unexpected.

Since the turn of the year we have lost to Sheffield Utd and drew with the likes of West Brow, Fulham and Crystal Palace.

This team has continually struggled to break down a low block whilst regular individual mistakes means we have been susceptible to conceding needless goals. Our defending from set pieces has been shambolic so this game was never going to be the forgone conclusion many envisaged.

We didn’t need a crystal ball to foresee how last night would enfold. Villarreal underwhelming underdogs and managed by the wiley Emery were always going to be well organised, disciplined and defend deep to deny us space to run into. They were always going to rely on the odd counter attack, set piece or wait for one of our players to make a mistake. Their only real chance of winning this game was either getting in front and defending for their lives or the lottery of a penalty shootout (De Gea hadn’t saved a penalty in over 5 years and the wait continues)!

From a Utd perspective it was imperative we didn’t make any school boy mistakes, give the ball away unnecessarily in dangerous areas, concede too many corners, set pieces or concede the first goal. In the build up to their first goal Pogba inexplicably gave the ball away at least twice for no reason when under no real pressure and De Gea made a poor clearance from the back. In isolation these mistakes didn’t cost us the game but sloppy play is infectious and it allowed Villarreal to get some possession in our half which led to the set piece that led to the opening goal. Sloppy play, needlessly surrendering possession in our own half and calamitous defending from set pieces has plagued us all season.

Last nights game was a microcosm of the entire season. It was merely another game where our problems came home to roost and I’ve not even started on Ole’s lack of substitutions or in game management.

There is only one way a top Club reacts to such disappointment. Go out and get a top class CB, CM and RW!
Not kids, veterans or squad fillers but proper players that improve the starting 11 and probably a new manager but that’s another debate!

We’ll see the ambition of our Club this summer! Do we want to win or merely make up the numbers? Sadly I think we already know the answer!

7.) 27 May 2021 15:50:39
With ole on charge dlib it will make no difference who we sign. He would not win the league with man City squad imo.



26 May 2021 11:38:20
Today’s the day. After an inconsistent season but a good league position, we have the chance to win a trophy. Not the big one but a European trophy none the less.

LVG and Jose both won trophies but it didn’t kickstart a proper revival. There is no guarantee that it will happen this time but it will be a start.

The loss of Maguire is significant, he gets a lot of stick on here but it seems pundits and Southgate rate him highly and whilst he sometimes looks like an oil tanker, he has been our best CB by some way.

However, we have some frightening attacking talent and put simply, if they turn up then we should win. Bruno, Pogba, Rashford, Cavani and hopefully Greenwood are key. If three of them play really well then we should dominate and keep them on the back foot. The problem, as we all know, is it’s never clear which United team will turn up. I fear we will see McFred which will push Rashford to the right and dilute his effectiveness. Rashford and Shaw together have been immense, surely Pogba can play in the middle with McTominay and if not, then Pogba has to be a sub and put Greenwood on the right.

It’s a big game for a number of reasons, if we win then maybe we will see some proper investment realising that we now have base to build on. If we lose then the doubts will grow as it’s another fall at the final hurdle, albeit not at the semi this time. We re clear favourites, we’ve rested everyone, we need to go out and show them that we are Manchester United.


1.) 26 May 2021 11:44:58
Good post and totally agree, it’s a big night for ole and the team. I’d personally like to see at 4-3-3 with mctominay Bruno pogba and then cavani rashy and mason. Pretty certain we will see the mcfred diamond though. Hoping the rest has helped and the players perform, hopefully they aren’t too rusty because we can’t afford a slow start and to concede against this lot as they will be hard to break down. Here’s to a good performance and a trophy to bring home 🤞🙏👍.

2.) 26 May 2021 11:56:22
I hope we see Pogba in midfield tonight. I think Parejo has been a key player from them, but he isn't blessed with much pace. They could struggle with Pogba breaking through the middle with his pace and power. However, it will come down to whether he can be trusted in the middle without the ball. Interesting selection tonight for sure.

3.) 26 May 2021 12:38:46
Biggest game of the season. I think it will be huge for Ole if we win.

Can he hen go to the Glazers and with all that's happened in last 6 weeks ask for 150 mill *outgoings to spend on first team players and not squad players.

Also, Greenwood, Shaw, AWB, Bruno, Pogba Lindelof-for different reasons a trophy would be very welcome.

4.) 26 May 2021 13:38:16
This has McFred wirtten all over it.

Regardless of that depressing point, I'm really excited about the game tonight. Not felt this level of excitment for a game in a long, long time.

Whatever team we send out, we should be strong enough to win this, but it is a final and anything can happen.

5.) 26 May 2021 13:22:47
So who is confident, who is nervous?

6.) 26 May 2021 14:21:19
Grim. yes me.

7.) 26 May 2021 14:43:39
not either gind- hopeful
I reckon they will play 4-4-2 switching to 3-5-2 when they have the ball. 2 from 3 up front alcacer, gerard or bacca can cuse problems : not sure if chukwueze is available but dangerous if he is. As mentioned pajero is one to nulifyas he sets up the plays a lot of the time.
Positives we have a frightening attacking force and mcfred could be vital in the breaking up of play through midfield. Only concern is the cb's- lindlehof slow bailly and tuanzebe can be guilty of a rash challenge a time or two.
Prediction 3-2 to us.

8.) 26 May 2021 14:55:02
I'm optimistic.

9.) 26 May 2021 15:27:39
Unai Emery has a great record in this competition.
We clearly are favourites and we should win it but i honestly think it's a 50/ 50game. It depends on what United turn up on the night.

10.) 26 May 2021 16:19:05
Put money on fernandez scoring a goal today and a united win.

11.) 26 May 2021 16:35:28
I am scared for Lindeloff nervous moment. Weakest link in United 11 who is certain to start.

12.) 26 May 2021 17:14:54
4 0-0 draws already. Think it will be tight. Maybe 1-0 us, possibly even 1-1, but we win it in extra time. Of course we could score early for a change and go on and romp it.

13.) 26 May 2021 17:26:16
I'm going fianl score 3-2 with Cavani, Bruno scoring a penalty and Greenwood. Villareal will score in the last 10 min to make it 3-2 and a nervous last 10 min, but we will hold on with some last ditch defending.

14.) 26 May 2021 17:27:17
I love a good romp, let's smash them.

15.) 26 May 2021 17:38:36
Massive game tonight, who wishes they were going?

My prediction for the game is 3-1 win. I believe they will score first (standard procedure) then we slowly come back to have a scoreline that flatters more than the gameplay.

Going to be a tightly fought game, but hopeful for a trophy!

16.) 26 May 2021 18:38:42
Better players in better form. Very confident.

17.) 26 May 2021 23:07:40
Thoughts Ken. You forgot the manager.



20 May 2021 21:51:48
Grealish or Sancho, or both? Personally it’s Grealish for me. He’s been outstanding for Villa and I think he’s ready to take a step up. Yes it’s a risk, yes he’s a bit of an arse but there is something Gascogne esque about him. Think of the impact Bruno had, I see Grealish having the same impact.

What say you?


1.) 20 May 2021 22:28:10
To play where ajh?
I like his arrogance on the pitch and I think there is a bit of unpredictability and class about him in the ball.
But he does all his best stuff off the left for villa.
Currently pogba is 1st choice there.
Rashford is 2nd choice.
So if its a case of sancho or grealish I'd choose sancho.
A lot depends on if pogba leaves if he does then grealish and sancho would be ideal.
He is a risk he also acts the maggot but he is a good player. If he did it on the pitch all that will be overlooked.
Putting grealish in our squad and playing the style we do now i don't see where he plays. Change the style and approach and he could be a really good signing.

2.) 20 May 2021 22:56:25
With the off pitch problems, the price and the on field issues like holding the ball too much (Grealish) ideally none of them.
If i had to choose one ot would be Sancho because he can come and immediately there is room for him to play. He is equally effective in all three positions behind the striker. He is much younger with less off pitch problems.

3.) 20 May 2021 23:19:14

1.) Easier deal to do in my opinion, dortmund seem to have accepted that he can leave this summer if the right offer becomes available.

2.) Has played many times and very familiar in a position we have been extremely, dramatically, massively, gargantuanally malnourished in that is Right Wing.

4.) 21 May 2021 04:38:44
Grealish is a selfish dribbler. Agree he has that star swagger. No doubt he creates and scores goals. I think him and Fernandes in a midfield with a more defensively minded holding mid could be a good combo.

For me, Grealish is a very attractive proposition if Pogba leaves.

I like greenwood from the left and cavani upfront for now. Good schooling for Greenwood. But sancho certain has potential to offer another dimension at right wing - as well as a genuine replacement for Fernandes if he is either injured or resting.

They would both seriously add to our squad. If Pogba goes I would take both in a heartbeat. It money is not unlimited. And if the club spends 100s of millions in the current climate, would everyone really be okay with that?

5.) 21 May 2021 06:21:21
All very valid points, I just think Grealish has sone magic about him and I'm excited to see how good he could be. I think he could happily play a number of roles.

EPL proven as well which is always a help.

6.) 21 May 2021 08:05:37
Both players have off the field issues. Both are clearly talented players. I wonder with Kane wanting to move, that Utd's priorities this summer might change?

If Sancho was signed it might allow Greenwood to focus on being a CF. Diallo will likely be loaned out.

7.) 21 May 2021 08:30:53
Grealish if pogba leaves for me, would add energy alongside Fernsndes or off the left depending on formation.

8.) 21 May 2021 08:37:40
for entertainment with a touch of class, Grealish
what we need more to balance the attack, Sancho.
grealish could be trouble and I think cause unrest in the squad re Bruno, Rash, Pog if he stays as well as getting some of the younguns into mischief. Sancho, worries about him playing in epl.
Think both will be similar in price and wages £80m - would look somewhere else.

9.) 21 May 2021 08:55:08
Signing Grealish doesn't make sense.
He plays predominantly on the left or center. We have Rashford and Bruno nailed on those positions.

A natural RW has been a problem for almost a decade. Therefore Sancho makes most sense to bring a balance to our team.

I would even send Amad on loan for 2 years as a sweetener to the deal.
(I believe Borussia had an interest in Amad earlier. )

10.) 21 May 2021 09:29:17
I think I echo what a lot of people have said.

While Grealish is a hugely talented player, and he is EPL proven. The issues are that his two best positions are wide left and in the No.10. areas of the pitch where he wouldn't be first choice. It just doesn't make sense to spend so much of the budget on a player who won't be an automatic first choice player. We aren't in such a good position that we have a first 11 of such quality that we can look to spend big on squad players. While I do have concerns about his attitude, he strikes me as a player who is more suited to being the big fish in a small pond. Similar to Zaha, great at a side without the expectation and pressure where they can be the big time Charlie. Can he handle being a regular fish in a huge pond?

Sancho just makes much more sense. Similar priced, and predominantly plays in a position of need. While he has already played at a top club and has risen to the top at a club that has high expectations and pressure. He might not be EPL proven but he has spent his entire youth career in England so the risk of him not adapting to the league is low.

11.) 21 May 2021 10:54:39
Shappy- I would worry still about sancho, he's done well in germany but tbh he hasn't shone so bright on international duty.

12.) 21 May 2021 11:47:03
Funky, International duty is a weird one and certainly not something I would judge a player on. Messi for example has often been underwhelming for Argentina, but is arguably one of the greatest ever players.

While the number of players signed on the back of a good international tournament only to flop is significant.

You often find players who do well on international duty often play in their national side with several players from their club side. Meaning they already have a good on pitch relationship with their teammates.

In Sancho's case the only two players on international duty who he has any previous playing experience with would be Foden from their time together in City's academy and Bellingham from Dortmund. Neither of which are yet regulars.

If Sancho was to move to the EPL I would fully expect to see his numbers in goals and assists to drop, at least initially. The level of defenders in the Bundesliga is poor compared to the EPL. Therefore, he'll get less time and space on the ball in the EPL compared to Germany.

That said he might just do a Bruno and surprise everyone and continue his insane numbers from a weaker league when he steps up.

13.) 21 May 2021 12:35:38
I agree on the last point Shappy. Being good in an international tournament doesy mean automatically that you are a good player.

Being average at international level doesn't mean you are a bad player either.

But in Sanchos case international level is the hardest level he played in. People who see him being good against average defenders at Germany and then being average at International level, are sceptical and rightly so.

14.) 21 May 2021 12:43:29
Grealish is a very good player, but he's a twit and plays on the left. We need a RW and that's why I'd choose Sancho over him.

15.) 21 May 2021 13:12:22
Herrera, I'd argue that international football on the whole is a poor standard these days.

Take Wales for example, they made the semi-finals of Euro 2016.

Yet in there 23 man squad you might be able to make a case for 7 of the players being EPL standard, and probably only 3 being good enough for the UCL.

That's the same for many of the international sides. A world class player in one or two positions, and players who are second division level in others.

I'd argue that the UCL is the highest level competition that Sancho has played in. In 1472 minutes of UCL football (the equivalent of 17 games more or less) Sancho has 5 goals and 6 assists. That's a return of 0.67 goal involvements per game. For a player that has just turned 21 that is a very respectable return.

He's a good player with huge potential. I don't think he is ready just yet to transform our side in the same way say Bruno has. But he would be a very good addition for the right price.

16.) 21 May 2021 13:26:50
I don't say he has not potential but we are missing the point and its my fault because I didn't make it clear. At international level its the first time he hadn't Dortmund's machine behind him and that was my point.
What i am saying is that Sancho benefits from 1) a league with average defenders which sometimes just sit and see him dribbles and scores and 2) Dortmund's machine, style of play, attacking philosophy and less pressure.

17.) 21 May 2021 13:44:09
Love that angel🤣.

18.) 21 May 2021 14:26:50
Herrera, I can appreciate that, we have seen several players leave Dortmund and not be able to match their previous levels elsewhere. We signed two of them in Kagawa and Mkhitaryan.

He may well struggle, or he might be a huge success. Ultimately there is never any guarantees with any signing.

I'm not sure if Sancho would be high up in my list of options. I really liked what I have seen of Pedro Neto this season. Although his injury would be a potential sticking point in a love this summer. He reminds me a little of a young Hazard, more of a creator out wide than a traditional winger, looks to come inside and create. Makes really good decisions. I think Hazard had the better shot at that age, but Neto works much harder for the team.
I also like Raphinha and Buendia. All of them could be signed for much less than Sancho, while all have actually performed in the EPL.

But the OP was asking between Sancho and Grealish, and out of the two I'd put Sancho a shade ahead of Grealish.

19.) 21 May 2021 15:31:58
I think Grealish is a far better player, and I think he can go up another level. Sancho, it remains to be seen if he can reach the heights.

However, our need is wide right so I guess he will be first choice,

20.) 21 May 2021 16:38:35
Shappy and all the other guys who touched on it: I believe he has talent (sancho) but there is nothing else to rate him on, his international form and league form are the only 2 . ECL he has the surprise element and not every team are top notvch these days. Given that he may well be a worldie but 80 million reasons why the lad might be a risk.

21.) 21 May 2021 17:49:04
Funky, ultimately it's Grealish or Sancho for 80m as they will both cost a similar amount.

While Grealish has EPL experience, he has absolutely no European experience having never played in the UCL or EL. He also only has 2 and a half years EPL experience, the rest of his career has been spent in the Championship. Neither have any real international pedigree. Although Sancho has more experience having 18 caps and 3 goals to Grealish's 5 caps and 0 goals.

So Sancho while having no EPL experience has played in a top 5 league for as many seasons as Grealish despite being 4 years younger. He also has more than 3 times the number of international appearances, and has played 3 seasons of UCL football.

Most importantly though he plays in a position of need, where Greenwood, Diallo and Pellistri would be his only competition. Whereas, Grealish plays in the same positions as Bruno, Rashford and Pogba.

22.) 21 May 2021 20:22:08
The problem I have with both of these players is their age and our coaching staff. I am not convinced that either would be able to kick on to the next level here. I am swinging around to the belief that older players who need less developing are the ones who can be a success here, it sad because in many ways it goes against everything the great United teams have stood for.

23.) 21 May 2021 20:51:43
Is steer well away from Grealish, shame as he is a good player.

24.) 22 May 2021 09:43:34
Oakbark, really? So you don't think Greenwood has improved? Or Rashford, or McTominay, or Shaw?

AWB gets a lot of stick for his attacking output yet he has the same number of goals/ assists this season as Shaw. This is also the most goals and assists he has in a single season in his career so far.

Both Martial and Rashford have had their best goalscoring season's under the current coaching staff.

Player development is a two way thing, it requires good input from BOTH the coaching staff AND the player.

That's why in any side you see some players progressing and others stagnating even under the same coaching staff.

While a big part of player development is just simply playing the game. I could coach you all sorts of things in training, but if you don't get the chance to put that into practice in matches then your potential for growth and development is limited.

That's one of the reasons why I feel loans where players will get plenty of game time is vital for a young players development at a top club where they are unlikely to get minutes every week.

If you have a 25 man squad, plus maybe as many as 8 young players who don't need to be named in the 25 man squad then you could have as many as 33-34 players training with the first team, but only 11 start each match and only 3 get a chance to be subbed on. Which means as many as 20 players in your squad won't play any minutes in a given match. Limiting their ability to put any of that weeks coaching into practice.




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11 Apr 2021 19:40:05
Rice for me. Young, English, having a great season.




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15 Dec 2020 07:54:29
Shappy, Ronaldo (and Messi) are light years ahead of any other players of this generation so yes, he probably is better. Imagine a couple of top signings and Ronaldo’s drive and mentality, the impact would be huge.

Can’t see it happening though.




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13 Dec 2020 17:10:21
I would take him in a flash. Proven winner, great work ethic and attitude, the player of his generation, an icon. He would improve every player in the squad.




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04 Oct 2020 11:25:49
If he can stay for, its an astute signing. Classy, winner, worker, professiona, he could have an impact.




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03 Oct 2020 19:26:33
We need maturity and we need winners, people with the right mentality. He may be past his best but he ticks those boxes and he’s still class.





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23 Jul 2021 13:39:53
I may not always agree with him but I think Shappy is number one poster.




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20 Jul 2021 13:23:36
we need to resolve the Pogba conundrum, Personally i'd like him to go and we bring in a top quality replacement.

Ultimately we need to see if the new players settle, and if the youngsters have matured. There is massive potential in this squad, it just needs realising,


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19 Jul 2021 18:55:54
Here we are again, another reason to bash Ole. All Managers tell the press what they want them to hear, Ole is no different to everyone else.




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18 Jul 2021 20:35:28
Welsh, go back 2 corners and Lewis could have turned in on Max but played it safe, good job he did. Max has bullied Hamilton this year, it’s about time Hamilton stood up for himself. There was plenty of room on both sides of both drivers, Verstappen knew he was there, he turned in, therefore he was at fault. The stewards saw it differently but gave a very minor penalty so they weren’t particularly concerned.




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18 Jul 2021 18:51:35
Verstappen is a great driver but he pushes the boundaries continually, this was bound to happen.