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03 Aug 2019 14:20:49
I’ve loved reading the posts this week and for what it’s worth, here’s my view.
Maguire is not necessarily the greatest defender but he seems like a big character and as has been said he is better than what we have. The price is irrelevant to me, fees are soon forgotten (unlike wages) . I think he will settle quickly and make a difference.
AWB looks a quality buy in a position where we have struggled so I’m confident that will look a steal as the season progresses.
James has huge potential, looking forward to seeing how he develops.
Dybala I don’t want. No idea where it came from and we really shouldn’t be entertaining it. Fancy name, not pulled up any trees for a couple of years, really don’t see where he fits in.
Fernandes look quality and would be a good signing and if we are interested then I have no idea why it is taking so long.
We need to ship Pogba out as quickly as possible, assuming anyone has made any sort of sensible offer. I don’t buy the line that he’s really popular. If he isn’t committed to the cause then he needs to leave.
Sanchez also needs to go. I’d even let him go on a free or nominal fee as it would free up at least £15M because of his ridiculous contract.
Lukaku also needs to go and again I’d take the best offer that is on the table. We may lose on the fees but the benefit to team spirit and morale of shipping out players who don’t want to be her is immense. There’s a bunch of other players we need to move on and again we should make it attractive to potential buyers. Darmian and Rojo for starters.
Imagine those 5 gone, 4 new signings (I’m assuming a CM is coming), and a few from the youth promoted. The feel and mood will be lifted and with the extra fitness and energy, with everyone committed and pulling in the same direction, who knows where we will get to.
I fear there is not enough time left to move players on but for me that is just as important on bringing new ones in.
1.) 03 Aug 2019 14:37:38
It would be foolish to let pogba leave so late in the window, no chance we have enough time to obtain a replacement.
Saul would fit the bill, but that would be a complicated deal and there are questions marks over whether he would even want to come.
Are SMS or fernandes as good as pogba? if looked at objectively you would say they were not on his level.
Dybala is probably the clearest route to getting rid of lukaku as inter milan are unable to source the funds to do a deal, so this swap deal is a pretty good compromise to get rid of a player who doesn't fit oles style and bring in a player who does.
25, 5 year contract means we have plenty of scope to get a resale value when he inevitably pines for a move to madrid or Barcelona like pogba. Could be a shrewd bit of business by the club.
2.) 03 Aug 2019 14:49:29
DSG, if you put my reservations aside, Ed002 has said Dybala doesn’t want to come. If he’s having to be convinced then we shouldn’t do it,
3.) 03 Aug 2019 15:15:18
Tony do you honestly expect Dybala to happily want to leave a team with Ronaldo and several stars which is guaranteed at least a major trophy and also UCL football every season and come over to us because we are Manchester United?
That ship has sailed!
No matter how attractive a team is, it still has to make an effort to appeal to a prospective player.
4.) 03 Aug 2019 15:18:42
I honestly think you will be surprised how many player would not want to join us this summer. No champions league is a big loss especially in a window where bayern, real, Barcelona and juve are all making big deals.
Look at sancho, he realised that coming to united this window would be not be ideal for his development when we are undergoing significant changes and his development was much better suited staying at dortmund.
Does that mean we shouldn't go in for him next summer when we will still need to convince him we are the right club with the right stability for him to continue his development?
Dybala is an oppurtune signing granted but if he does join it won't be against his will, quite a few player over the year have needed to be convinced/ persuaded to join clubs.
5.) 03 Aug 2019 15:23:18
I really don't get why people would wants Pogba to stay. Old may say all the right things about Pogba having a great attitude blah blah blah, but the player clearly wants out.
If we keep hold of him against his wishes we will just have the same circus every transfer window. It's unsettling for everyone, including Old, despite what he may say in public.
Pogba is obviously talented and is a match winner on his day. I understand that, but keeping an unhappy player is counter productive.
On the flip side, we shouldn't be forced to sell him on the cheap. But over inflating his price so that he is effectively priced out of a more is daft in my opinion.
Despite the fact that some fans 'hero worship' some players, Pogba is not worthy of that label. Talent is nothing without application, effort and desire and Mr Pogba is severely lacking in the later.
6.) 03 Aug 2019 15:35:43
Until last week his name hadn’t come up, nobody on here had suggested we try and buy him or he would add anything to our team. Now suddenly many are drooling over him and I don’t get it. We should have learned from Di Maria. He doesn’t want to come, allegedly he wants £350K a week, allegedly his agent wants £13M, it’s possibly taken our focus from Fernandes. The only positive I can see is we lose Lukaku, that’s about it.
I don’t really buy the Champions League argument. Actually I do buy it and it hacks me off. There’s only a few teams that will win it, and there seems to be a snobbishness that has materialised with players ‘not wanting to take a step down’. I’m not sure how we’ve allowed it to become so important, for me the domestic title is still the biggest trophy by far.
7.) 03 Aug 2019 15:37:47
Of course he needs convincing AJH. He is not a fan like is. He is at a top club where his life family and friends are and you think a good pitch and lots of reassurances are not required.
You don't seem to be the sort of chap to make knee jerk life changing decisions without due consultation and thought process and advice. Do you think dybala should?
8.) 03 Aug 2019 15:56:18
Is aguero not a good example why is it always di Maria.
Do people think aguero was a life long city fan desperate to move to a team that had won nothing for years?
Or did him and his agent need a bit of convincing and a bucket of cash .
I'm not saying we should or shouldn't sign him but there's a bit of a line in the sand starting with one or 2 players,
9.) 03 Aug 2019 16:02:27
Of course he's reluctant. We're not exactly known for stability are we. He enjoys life in Italy and is reluctant to leave. But Juve are forcing him out.
10.) 03 Aug 2019 16:03:54
Madrid have been making sensible offers for Pogba throughout this window.
UTD think they can get more with very little other clubs being able to afford him.
Only a few clubs or so at the over inflated fee and wages able to afford Pogba which sees UTD keeping a player who wants to leave *evil laugh*.
Barcelona not going to sign Pogba.
11.) 03 Aug 2019 16:09:33
What offers have real made?
12.) 03 Aug 2019 16:24:59
Guys AJH has a point. The problem is not there is a convincing required for Dybala. But why to convince a player who is not seen as much needed who is not willing to move to us who will demand monstrous wage who has stalled for the past year. If it is someone who we have identified as main target it's worth going through the trouble. Imagine we sign him and has not really worked out then we will have another player on 350k wages very difficult to move.
13.) 03 Aug 2019 16:35:27
I said the same to shappy last week jred.
People are saying don't sign him he doesn't want to be here. Yet those same purple are saying keep pogba even though he doesn't want to be here.
If dybala comes and he and the team are successful he will love it at United. Just like aguero has done.
Im not desperate for him to sign if he does it would be potentially a very good and exciting signing.
14.) 03 Aug 2019 17:00:59
My wider point is he hadn't been mentioned by anybody, the fans hadn't suggested him nor were the club pursuing him. Suddenly a swap is on, not exactly thought through is it?
15.) 03 Aug 2019 17:02:49
You could say the same with pogba, if go his and uniteds way he may have a change in heart .
Not sure why everything needs to be set in stone .
I'm far from convince dybala would be a good fit in the epl, who who knows.
16.) 03 Aug 2019 17:11:34
Is it possible for a player to come in, not really wanting to come in at first and then change his mind? If he is the consummate professional, he might also put in some decent performances.
Also, he could just say no right now?
17.) 03 Aug 2019 18:00:01
Ajh
He was mentioned a few month ago, don't know if the reports where true but he was linked a few months back.
But some times a player becomes available and you take a chance, any Cole, king Eric.
Angel
Is it possible that a player wants to leave then circumstances change and he changes his mind, Or do we hold it against him for the rest of his career.
18.) 03 Aug 2019 18:01:09
The club have had interest in dybala for 12 months according to ed002. i'm not convinced but he is a very talented player so if he settles it could work out.
Pogba is here and if he stays and does well he may well have a change of heart i agree but i'm not one for keeping unhappy players it usually doesn't work out. We can on my hope it does if he stays.
19.) 03 Aug 2019 19:33:15
Hi jred, not at all. I think if a player has a change of heart and wants to stay, put in the performances etc, he should most definitely get the chance. I think that's quite fair. But definitely no point keeping a player that is unhappy and wants to move. Does this answer work?
Is there a particular player you are talking about or just anyone in general?
20.) 03 Aug 2019 20:00:04
Angel
To many to mention to be honest once any one makes a mistake or reportedly does you want them out.
Lazy bad attitude said this said that.
21.) 03 Aug 2019 20:17:14
No, I'd like you to mention them. Very happy to give you my reasons behind everyone.
I'm quite sure that when I have shown my dissatisfaction in a player it is usually merited, justified.
I don't call for players to be bought and sold like in a game of FIFA.
I also am very happy to back good, hard working and loyal players when many dont. Again, when I feel its justified.
Feels like you're just having a pop though. It's something you like to do quite often. I hope I haven't upset you at any point. Or will you hold my opinions against me for the rest of my time posting on here? 😊.
22.) 03 Aug 2019 22:15:30
We have appointed Director of football - it's AJH
All sound decisions taken. 🤫.
23.) 04 Aug 2019 09:23:15
Reading the page the last day or two it’s clear we don’t need any insight from Ed002 as maxlfc knows absolutely everything about our club lol.
24.) 04 Aug 2019 20:42:32
Oh man :P
Wrote a post about how the youngsters are doing, and how you feel about them and this turned into Pogba/ Dybala debate.
25.) 05 Aug 2019 07:31:02
To be honest guys I don't care and the reason is we are focusing on players not playing for our club.
When the focus should be #GlazersOut.
24 Mar 2018 10:31:23
There are some that said Jesse wasn’t good enough and I guess there are still some that think he is at best a squad player but you have to give the lad credit. He keeps popping up scoring important goals and he plays with a smile on his face and seems to enjoy every moment. I’m so pleased for him and I hope he can take that final step and be consistent.
1.) 24 Mar 2018 16:25:04
He has always been highly thought off within the club. It was always accepted that he would take longer to find his feet due to his size. I read an interview with him where he said that Sir Alex always said he would become a real player when he's 25 like Tigana. I wonder how much of him really stepping up this season is down to him feeling that this year was going to be his year.
I did worry when we signed Sanchez as it was going to push either Lingard or Martial out of the side when arguably they we our best two forwards at that time. Maybe its time for Sanchez to be dropped for a game or two and make him fight for his place against players who are in form.
2.) 24 Mar 2018 16:40:40
Shaps, I don’t know why we bought Sanchez other than to stop City buying him. We had needs inother areas way before a left sided attacker was needed and even if he starts firing it just relegates Martial or Rashford. This smacks of Woodward and his marque signing obsession. I don’t want to upset you but if Bale is available you can bet your mortgage Ed will be there waving his chequebook.
3.) 24 Mar 2018 16:46:51
The thing with Jesse is you know he will work on the pitch and not hide. He has proven this year that he has more in the locker than people thought imo but he had the beginnings of a good season couple of years back when he got ani injury early on at Swansea I think. Change of personel and management has not deterred him and I think he has saved us a good few bob on bringing in a n other player.
4.) 24 Mar 2018 16:58:44
I was one of those thinking he wasn't going to be up to it and would be sold, at times I feel foolish, but then he can be anonymous far too often for me (like most of our attacking players) .
I still think in order for us to be competing at the very top we need better than Lingard. But if he improves again as much as he has over the past 18 months then he will deserve a regular berth in a top Utd team.
I love his energy and clever runs, maybe there is even more to come from him once we get back to playing proper attacking football and those runs will be picked out by players that currently refuse the pass and opt for 'safety' instead. I certainly would like him to impact games more consistently as well, 10 seconds of brilliance now and again is good, but we need more than that over a 90 minute match from an attacking midfielder.
5.) 24 Mar 2018 17:39:38
I agree Beastand that was my point about consistency. When he is good he is very good but often you can forget he is on the pitch, which is very frustrating when he gets himself in such good positions and scores such important goals. He needs to turn up for more games than he does, which I think he will if he continues to develop as he has done in the last year. And he is home grown which means a lot to me,
6.) 24 Mar 2018 17:52:11
Does he go missing or as mentioned above is it a case of him making good runs and his team mates not playing the creative pass to find him?
The best players score in the big games, which he does more consistently than those around him. H deserves his place in the team, he works hard, he offers movement and he can finish. I think he will thrive if we add more quality to the midfield. He is a bit of a social media whore, but as long as he performs on the pitch it’s not a problem. I wish pogba put half the effort in he does.
7.) 24 Mar 2018 18:33:58
Agree with all of the posts regarding jesse in some degree, better than dele alli in my opinion who plays a similar role especially this season.
8.) 25 Mar 2018 05:21:49
I must be the only one who doesn't yet rate him. He for me is going through his Smalling patch where player looks good for a season or 2 but with lingard it has only been 2 months rather than the whole season.
He was mostly anonymous until December and has been anonymous for most part since February. That is 2 good months in 3-4 years. Yes he scores some important goals from time to time but he going to have to perform much better to be more than a squad player.
9.) 25 Mar 2018 16:58:04
No MU player apart from De Gea has been sensational for long, playing good for some time and then playing poorly.
10.) 26 Mar 2018 14:14:47
CSM, that's not really fair, even if he's only started looking like a real top player this season, he's actually been doing well for the last couple of years. He was hardly "anonymous" before December anyway. 8 goals and assists in 17 games, 11 of which he played 30 minutes or less in, may not be setting the league on fire, but it's certainly not "anonymous".
Re: the consistency, I'm inclined to agree with Huggy. He's suffering from the way the team is playing, and would have a much more consistent impact if the runs he makes were picked out a bit more often by players behind him. Now, I'm not saying he's doing everything right, maybe he'd still be a bit inconsistent with players behind him looking for those runs and playing more positive football, but the point is that we don't really know, and I don't think it's fair to judge him too harshly when we don't really know how much of the inconsistency is down to him, and how much is down to the way the teamas a whole is playing.
I would really love to see Herrera used in a more advanced role, ahead of Matic rather than alongside him, where he can look to play the passes that someone like Lingard can feed on. It's too easy to see his great defensive performances last season and forget that he's a great passer of the ball, with an eye for getting team mates in behind the defence.
11.) 26 Mar 2018 14:23:10
That FA cup winning goal seemed to really kick him on and he’s improved a lot since then.
CSM,
How you can say he’s been anonymous is beyond me, he’s probably scored more important goals than any other player in the last 2 years.
12.) 26 Mar 2018 14:53:27
Gds important goals don't mean consistency. Yes he scored against Chelsea and in fa cup final but can you remember a run of games until December where you could say he was consistently good. A first team player needs to be consistently good and unlike rashford or martial lingard isn't exactly in the youngster category.
Thorne he has been good this season but last season he had 5 goals and 3 assists in 42 games in lvg's last season he had 7 goals and 4 assists in 41 games. Those are not good figures and he needs get similar to his current nos before we can be sure that he has improved rather than going through a purple patch.
Also where exactly will he play next season jose wants savic added to the team and jorginho as replacement for carrick, so we most likely will be switching to a mf 3.
13.) 30 Mar 2018 18:44:50
Good player, nice lad, silly dancer.
17 Feb 2018 08:31:11
Interesting rumour this morning, Real ready to move for Pogba. Could be paper trash talk of course but if they did and the money was big, would you sell? Clearly the boy has talent but he has yet to dominate a game or deliver on his potential. Is that down to him, the Manager, or a combination of both.
If the money was silly should we cash in? The problem with that is that he may go on and become the dominating player we believe is in there somewhere, and replacing him will cost a fortune too. For me, I’d seriously consider it though.
{Ed002's Note - There is zero interest in Paul Pogba from Real Madrid. They have very, very different ideas who they want.}
1.) 17 Feb 2018 11:41:22
There is no way we should be selling Pogba it would be crazy to do so.
Its likr selling the next messi and then trying to go buy a next ronaldo because we are noy patient enough.
2.) 17 Feb 2018 11:59:12
"Cash in" wtf? So some now want to sell Pogba when we have few midfielders for a pretty poor return? You bored with FIFA?
3.) 17 Feb 2018 11:20:17
Yay. Thanks ed for that.
12 Jan 2018 21:19:21
All this talk of Sanchez has masked the rumour that Vardy is also being considered. Not sure if they would sell or at what price but I think he would slot in much easier, albeit he is a like for like with Lukaku. Sanchez’s attitude worries me, the stories from Arsenal about his isolationist approach do not bode well for team spirit. Hey ho, what do I know?
1.) 12 Jan 2018 21:28:45
I hope not. Hateful diving git, Gerrard, suarez, terry, barton, keown, cattermole, Vardy. all the same to me would of hated to see any of them in a red shirt.
2.) 12 Jan 2018 23:05:33
That's one heck of a team those lot would make. Lacks some wide players tho.
3.) 13 Jan 2018 05:53:05
bfbw, there too much hate in your heart, i'd have had Keown and Suarez any day of the week. Go hug a tree man.
4.) 13 Jan 2018 08:10:14
AJH Vardy is a player Maze likes and admired over the years for his tenacity as well as his rags to riches story but to say he is a better option than Sanchez is silly, very silly.
Wake up AJH you are dreaming of poorly fabricated scenarios.
08 Dec 2017 20:28:41
So, first of all, I share my birthday with Jonny Evans so put that your pipe and smoke it. Secondly, I may have had a little wine tonight so forgive me if I am less coherent than Ronnie during a transfer window.
Sunday is a big game and I hope that Jose wakes up and has an epiphany but I fear it will not happen. I believe it is better to die fighting than running away and in football that is also true. Inspire the troops, give them hope and belief, rouse their spirits, fill their hearts with pride and desire. Let’s not turn up to stifle and try and nick a goal on the break. I don’t care if they are the best team, like Pierre the famous French fighter pilot, let’s go down in flames (google it) .
We are United, a team steeped in history and tradition, we live or die by our standard, there are times to stand up and be counted, Sunday is one of those times. We win, or we lose in a blaze of glory, to be a United fan there are no in betweens.
Time for more wine.
1.) 09 Dec 2017 01:43:34
Jesse's performance at Arsenal will have given him food for thought. Maybe we can press high with a few players and cause some chaos amongst their back line. Worry is that Matic and Ander would have to play out of their skins.
The motivational piece is way more important than formation. Win your battles all over the pitch and you'll get a win.
2.) 09 Dec 2017 10:50:17
We’ll park the bus and try to catch them on the counter and via set pieces.
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22 Sep 2019 20:49:25
Ole may or may not be the answer and for what it’s worth I don’t think he is. However, since SAF left we have blundering around signing players for big fees who haven’t worked out and changing direction almost every year or two. But, in the last window we signed Maguire, AWB and Dan James, all of whom currently like good signings. So. if we sign a couple in January and another 3 in the Summer, who are as good a fit as the 3 we signed last summer, how much progress does that give us?
We were crap today and it showed the lack of depth in the squad so it’s not just about quality, it’s also about numbers. But if we were to add 4 more who can make a difference (like the last 3), then where does that put us? I know everyone wants us to be successful quickly but whoever is in charge it is going to take time. Like it or not SAF has some responsibility here. He left a squad that needed improving, sadly the improvements initially made were simply not good enough. We’ve spent enough money, but on players that were not United class, were past their best, or didn’t want to be here (Fellaini, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Di Maria, Falcao, Fred, need I go on? )
The current approach to buy proven EPL performers and exciting youth should be applauded and hopefully we can replicate what we did this Summer in midfield and up front.
It won’t be a quick fix and clearly some are not prepared to wait or be patient but that’s how it is. Saddle up and strap yourselves in.
1.) 22 Sep 2019 21:30:08
The main issue with this is recruiting proven EPL talent will become increasingly difficult if we carry on with the form we’ve had since February.
We know that our lack of CL football put certain players off joining, and a season on this form will put us close to mid table. Proven talent will only move if it improves their chances of winning trophies, that or we’re back to bringing in players chasing a paycheque.
There needs to be patience, and a realisation that we are years away from competing with City and Liverpool, but there also needs to be improvement. Jose was right to say that Ole brought in three good players this summer, and there is no real improvement on the pitch. That’s partly down to major mistakes in the transfer window, but to convince good players to join the club Ole needs to show that we’re heading in the right direction. I can’t see why players like Sancho would choose us, when we’re a step down from Dortmund. We need to improve, or we will struggle to sign quality in January and next summer.
2.) 23 Sep 2019 07:36:38
EPL proven players will cost a premium.
20 Sep 2019 06:55:20
I enjoyed that, thought it was a good run out for a lot of fringe players. Gomes shows glimpses as did Greenwood and you would have hoped 24 shots would bring more goals.
I’m a big Rashford fan but he seems to have lost his way a little. If he can’t convert chances then he needs to move back out wide where he can use his pace, he should have had at least 2 last night.
Dalot was great, not sure why he has been frozen out but based on last night i’d Have him and Greenwood in the team more regularly.
A shame the score line was close as it would have been good to see Garner get some time. Still, played a second team which means everyone will be fresh for Sunday, gave a lot of players a run out, and got the points.
1.) 20 Sep 2019 07:14:55
Dalot's been carrying an injury.
2.) 20 Sep 2019 07:26:40
Yeah a bit dissapointed with Rashford's finishing. He was supposed to be the leader of the attacking unit but was wasteful in front of goal.
Greenwood's composure inside the box was too good.
Chong and Gomes needs to play more and try to make more impact.
Dalot has been injured for the past 3 weeks. He exploited a lot of space on the right.
Tuanzebe was never troubled.
3.) 20 Sep 2019 07:55:22
Dalot has not been frozen out it was the 1st time he has been available all season.
Gomes played well lots of movement.
Dalot was v good i thought particularly going forward.
Fred was decent.
Greenwood looks like a player that will score goals.
Opposition was awful should be beating them well.
Good result with such a young inexperienced team.
4.) 20 Sep 2019 09:32:23
Fred was rubbish. His highlight was hitting the bar. He was rarely under pressure and still managed to lose possession a number of times. When Mata and Lingard came on they were so much more dynamic and moved defenders around creating space.
Get rid in Jan.
5.) 20 Sep 2019 09:35:43
I thought Fred and Gomes were standout. Fred always seemed an outlet for the defence and he switched the play very well. Gomes I thought was one of the best youngsters along with tuanzebe. They both seem to have a great understanding of their positions for their age. Chong seems a bit lightweight and frequently looses the ball. Last night showed how important it is to have and outlets on the right, as when teams sit deep we can switch the play and try and shuffle their backline and find space.
6.) 20 Sep 2019 10:10:19
Fresh played well. Always available for the ball, good movement, tracked back well.
Jones was poor last night. Tuanzevbe looked very good. He was composed on the ball, never looked troubled. Dalot played very well. I think AWB and Dalot as a RW would be brilliant.
7.) 20 Sep 2019 11:32:48
Would like to see some one-two’s in and around the box and some sharper interplay. You’d hope they practice these things in training. The talent is definitely there with the youngsters. On a side note loving the Tuanzebe chant to Manfred Mann’s Do Wah Diddy Diddy and Greenwood’s chant to Bowie’s Starman. Anyone else hear them?
8.) 21 Sep 2019 05:04:44
My mistake. If Dalot is now fit then that gives us another option, I thought he did really well, particularly when coming forward.
31 Aug 2019 20:44:55
We draw a game and the site is in meltdown. Relegation, plummeting, disgrace, yada yada yada. We won’t finish in the top 6, we’re all doomed, all our players are crap, yada yada yada.
Get a grip, what do you expect? That we would be top of the league at this point? We’ve signed 3 players all of whom have improved us. We’ve offloaded Lukaku and Sanchez and will hopefully get rid of Pogba sooner rather than later. We are short in midfield and lack creativity so it will take time, but we have dominated all games without it being clinical enough to finish the last 3.
It’s fine lines, if we convert our chances, including penalties than we are fine, people need to get a grip.
1.) 31 Aug 2019 20:56:01
“We drew a game and the site is in melt down”
Sure I’ve read the same thing about 12 times in the last 15 games. It’s not a blip, or poor finishing. This situation is how the season will pan out. Have we improved? I’m not sure. We’re stronger in defence, weaker in midfield and attack. What i'd expect is better than 15 odd points in 15 games.
2.) 31 Aug 2019 21:02:11
You need to open your eyes and stop trying to be Mr. Positive.
3.) 31 Aug 2019 21:06:52
Totally agree. I think it’s very clear that all this talk of “transition period” over the last 5 years- you could argue that it’s only beginning now. It’s a young squad, results are going to be up and down.
There are positives if you look for them. James was excellent today, wan Bissaka is class and Maguire looks decent, shame Lindelof seems to be struggling. Let’s see where we are by Christmas before we overreact? Maybe there’s a plan in place agreed with by the board, the manager etc and we may struggle but ole will get a chance to build the team he wants. People can question him which is fair, but if we are honest with this squad I’d struggle to find any manager in the game at the moment who wouldn’t have patchy results.
4.) 31 Aug 2019 21:37:44
We played, crystal palace, wolves, Southampton, not City or juve,
We are an elite club, we should be beating these sides, did anyone watch the game today, Southampton went down to ten men,
Did our tactical manager know what to do, he looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights. And as I said I have nothing against him.
5.) 31 Aug 2019 21:42:47
The team is not far away, the younger players are starting to show promising signs of improvement although I thought today was our weakest game. Tony's right in my opinion I see where we are going and it's going to take time to get to the top but I believe we will get there. The team is young, all of our games should have gone our way and once we start picking up these results we will gain momentum.
6.) 31 Aug 2019 21:42:52
If anybody thinks there’s a plan then there deluded. We have no proper centre forward except for Mason Greenwood who is only 17.Rashford will never be a top drawer centre forward. He’s a one trick pony take his pace away and he offers nothing. Midfield is woeful. Might as well give garner greenwood and Gomes a run of games. can't be any worse than the dross at the moment. Good enough your old enough.
7.) 31 Aug 2019 22:00:44
AJH is glazer supporter I guess.
{Ed047's Note - Neil I’m certain AJH is a United supporter simply asking for a little patience
8.) 31 Aug 2019 22:08:50
AIm starting loose hope now.
All they want to do is to sell the club and hence not investing.
Ole is their puppet. Mr Garry Neville is their puppet.
We are a mid table team at best.
We are becoming laughing stock for others.
Every player we have is bang average.
Teams just sit and sit against our inefficient attack and hit us on counters.
No experienced players no leader.
Why can't we play Pereira in pogbas position and then use pogba in more advanced role.
Ole is just trying to be positive untill gets the boot.
{Ed047's Note - Neil, I’ve been waiting 15yrs for my club to win the Premiership again. We all joke with opposing clubs, that’s football banter for you.
No team has a god given right to win anything, but if you support your team you go through good and bad.
Sometimes you just can’t have want you want right now. Be patient mate it really is only 4 games into a long season.
9.) 31 Aug 2019 22:18:07
To be fair, we were crap.
{Ed047's Note - you weren’t great by any stretch and it could have gone either way up until the sending off.
Still a work in progress TB.
10.) 31 Aug 2019 22:18:45
Ed patience, 6 years, I'm nearly gone demented from the clowns running the circus,
They really don't know what there doing, to get rid of players and not replacing them, and that's the tip of the iceberg,
Poor Eric Cantona was on tv the other night reciting Shakespeare, we are all gone mad and Ronaldo was looking at him like he had 40 heads.
And now we have to go to Kazakhstan
If that was the eurovision I'm sure ireland or England would say na not singing this year.
{Ed047's Note - They are a concern mate, they worry me and I’m not a united fan, but, and I realise you didn’t get every target, you seemed to buy much smarter this summer albeit you over paid for McGuire.
11.) 31 Aug 2019 22:22:34
They appointed ole because they didn't want to invest in squad.
They recouped almost all money by selling lukaku and loaning other player.
Another experienced manager would have demanded more money.
Mourinho was a victim of this.
It's beyond me why pogba hasn't forced his move.
He is only world class player stuck between bunch of average players reason being he is struggling big time.
People running out club a clueless right now.
This is lowest I have felt for the last 16 years since I have been supportive our beloved club.
12.) 31 Aug 2019 22:27:05
I will not set foot in Old Trafford again until those muppets the Glazers have gone. I will still go to away games Euro always and a few youth games. I love this club with all my heart but it is being ripped out by a bunch of yank clowns who know zippo about football. If anybody says I ain’t a true supporter come to my my house and i’ll show you all my Utd tattoos and memorabilia. I would die for Utd LUHG.
13.) 31 Aug 2019 22:30:46
Ed I also want to be positive patient but our squad is so thin right now. And when I think about our position by Christmas it's frightening.
I'm not used to seeing us 8th or 9th in table by Christmas.
I can see chelsea arsenal Everton wolves Leicester above us let alone spurs city and looserpool.
{Ed047's Note - we’ve just rolled into September mate, let’s see where you’re at come December and then the club have the window to do something in the way of bringing more players in.
14.) 31 Aug 2019 22:33:05
16 years Neil, can you imagine redman he has been around since the 20's😊😊.
15.) 31 Aug 2019 22:33:18
Wow. A Glazer supporter? I think they are a cancer that has bled our club dry but your comment just demonstrates the nonsense that we see on here. If anyone posts a comment u disagree with then they must be the devil incarnate. The usual suspects pile in with their emotional reactions. I really can’t be bothered anymore, it’s like arguing with 4 year olds.
16.) 31 Aug 2019 23:24:12
Ajh your a big boy now, isn't that what everyone told united addict.
17.) 31 Aug 2019 23:46:00
Lads, calm down. That was a good point away from home against a Southampton team that will trouble any top team that goes there.
Also, since OGS has taken over, we are near top of the table in points we have taken.
It'll all be grand and we will. make top 4 easy this year.
18.) 31 Aug 2019 23:50:42
To be totally honest I have no idea what my thoughts are on what the club needs or on what the correct decisions are to be made, however there are some things that I need to get off my chest. Firstly, this toxicity towards our players being judged on a game by game basis. For example statement like "rashford offers nothing other than pace". Today he was up on his own, won a lot of good fouls, made lots of good runs, beat men, pressed super hard, worked tirelessly, and never really had a clear cut scoring chance. The way people talk about him, you'd of expected him to have missed 3 open goals. He has a good work ethic, pace, finishing, skill etc. Also I strongly disagree with this idea that our attack is worse than it was last season. Martial is a composed finisher, has hold up play miles better than lukaku, and has far more skill technically. He's better than lukaku in every department for me. Dan James has literally proved he's more useful in our system than sanchez. So I can't see how we're any worse going forward. I think we're better for getting rid of these players. Sure they need to be replaced, but they need to be replaced by willing players at the right price. Every signing we have made has been an improvement, and the players we've let go (Bar herrera and fellaini), have only been a hinderance to the squad. I think it would be better if we played pogba further forward in the CAM position as he doesn't know how to defend. I think mctomminay is a solid cm, won a lot of duels today, as he does every week, works hard, covers ground, solid cm. Hopefully we can find a cm to partner him. I don't think the squad is any worse than last season. Think everyone needs to calm down.
19.) 01 Sep 2019 00:16:08
The squad isn't any worse that last season, 5 points from 4 games, won 3 since psg,
I'd love to watch a game with some of you, just to point out things I miss cause I must be blind.
So we should all be happy that we got 2 points from crystal palace, wolves, Southampton.
The x United players that have played for Manchester United would be ripping the heads off each other.
They would be embarrassed.
20.) 01 Sep 2019 08:32:24
We are an elite club, we should be beating these sides, ………………. Why? We have a divine right due to our name?
he looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights……………………. Oh dear.
If anybody thinks there’s a plan then there deluded……………………………No plan? No rebuild? Colour me deluded
can't be any worse than the dross at the moment………………………love a well thought out knee jerk reaction!
AIm starting loose hope now……………………………. Four games in and losing it already!
Ole is their puppet. Mr Garry Neville is their puppet……………………. That’s the way to do it.
We are becoming laughing stock for others………………. We’ve endured that before now but worked and returned to laugh right back at them.
Every player we have is bang average……………………………. of course they are dear.
Ole is just trying to be positive untill gets the boot………………………He took the job just so he can be sacked? And there was me thinking he loves the club and will do anything to help. Silly me.
This is lowest I have felt for the last 16 years since I have been supportive our beloved
club…………….16 years? Wow that’s a long time! Try closer to 60 years. Then you won’t remember when we were relegated from the old First Division to the second will you? We have been worse trust me but we are United and we fight our way back.
I will not set foot in Old Trafford again until those muppets the Glazers have gone………. And I’ll stamp my feet, throw some toys and scweem and scweem till I’m sick……. I will!
If anybody says I ain’t a true supporter come to my my house and i’ll show you all my Utd tattoos and memorabilia………………………. This is the funniest and truly caused me to laugh out loud haha. Do you have a United duvet cover and jim jams as well? I’ve got United tattoos you know, priceless!
I'm not used to seeing us 8th or 9th ……………………. See earlier re relegation.
I’m truly dismayed at these comments that show a serious lack of respect and a feeling of divine right to success simply because we are United. Some clearly have only been followers since the recent glory days and seem unable to grasp the concept of being supporters and not just followers with a sense of entitlement. I’ve been a United supporter for nigh on 60 years and can tell you we’ve most definitely had our ups and downs across the years. Stop your bleating, begin to understand where we’re at in this moment in our history and start supporting the club (not the owners) and the team. It will come but we have no divine right to it.
{Ed025's Note - i enjoyed that post scooby, when you see those statement together it makes you realize just how fickle supporters can be, its a tough time for utd but all clubs go through fazes like this and there is no divine right to success mate, by the way i remember the relegation and the look on dennis law,s face when he back heeled the ball into the net for city...priceless..
21.) 01 Sep 2019 09:10:49
Ed025
I just felt the need for a compilation lol.
Oh I very clearly remember that day and Dennis Law. Traumatic times and I try to make the point that we have unhappy history as well as glorious. We have to ride the waves and strive to return. But you're correct. No divine right!
{Ed025's Note - i can certainly relate to your plight scooby being an evertonian myself, and it certainly does,nt help with our noisy neighbours doing so well either, but we will be back mate...we have to believe that..
22.) 01 Sep 2019 09:16:22
Very amusing that Scooby - and quite true. I am as fed up as most at the moment, but some of the comments are way OTT and silly to the extreme.
However, for some of us (the older ones! ) I don't see it as a sense of entitlement that United should win things. It's more frustration at how the club is being run. I could understand our meteoric fall from grace if the club were struggling financially. But we are not. This 'lack of investment' is a convenient myth.
We have spent money. And loads of it. The problem is it has been spent so poorly. Paying silly money for 'names' that don't fit. Paying even sillier wages to individuals that cause more issues. Mistake anther mistake has been made in the transfer market and appointing managers.
These things happen, but the annoying thing is that we do not seem to! earn. It's like groundhog Day. Over and over again, mistake after mistake.
How long have me been looking for a DoF? Until the club learn from these mistakes, the unrest will continue. Every season is meant to be a 'new dawn'. I am not expecting to win leagues and Champions Leagues immediately. I have seen the bad times, the baron years. I just want to see us move forwards and learn from past mistakes, of which the list is long and distinguished.
Instead, we just keep doing the same thing. We will not challenge City and Liverpool for several seasons. But with the money we have spent we should be at least competing. Not hoping and praying and can make top 4.
23.) 01 Sep 2019 09:35:16
Spot on betty. Couldn't agree more. It's painful but we have to work our way out of it not throw tantrums lol. There is a lot wrong at the club that needs fixing.
24.) 01 Sep 2019 10:03:04
Good post Betty,
25.) 01 Sep 2019 10:27:06
Scoobydog
You may be older than me, take the gold medal!
I don’t think there is all round self entitlement but it will be harder for those who have known little else but success under SAF. I was there at OT when Denis back heeled the ball in 74, it didn’t technically relegate us but it hurt. My problem is it came because of arrogance that we were the great United and it could never happen to us, we rely on youth. I remember the club sat back waiting for another great youth production line to come through to save us, didn’t need to buy and when it didn’t, it bit us.
There is a lot wrong at the club, we can’t easily change owners but do need to protect our position in the league and that can only be done by the manager and players, we are fixed with players until January, yet cannot let the slide we are seeing continue or it could get difficult. I said Ole looks like a rabbit in the headlights and I think he does, especially in his in game management, only bringing attacking players on too late is a symptom of not wanting to get it wrong or get beaten.
26.) 01 Sep 2019 12:47:58
Scoobydog what a great post 👏👏👏 I myself am not the youngest, the glory years where in deed very special but I remember well the dark ages of the 80,s growing up with the bin dippers on top.
27.) 01 Sep 2019 13:28:36
Medal? Brilliant. I’m a bloody medalist guys 😂.
28.) 01 Sep 2019 13:30:29
Thank you simonmorris10
You’re spot. For sure we are in a mess at the moment. Tantrums won’t solve our problems.
29.) 01 Sep 2019 18:37:01
Looking at the speeches of the acclaimed oldest supporters of the club, one concludes that this is our new reality, Sotton, Palace are our new opponents in the fight for the top 10. There is nothing to complain about, it's just patience that everything resolves itself. The others are not working to improve, they are waiting for us to recover. You should wake up, football is no longer like in 1960-80. Things have changed and non-investing clubs will be left behind no matter what their history. Either we wake up or we will become what we are seeing, a trivial, mediocre team.
30.) 02 Sep 2019 06:53:44
Scooby. top reply :)
31.) 02 Sep 2019 11:47:02
Slow motion. Thanks for the lecture but sitting on our hands simply waiting for things to change by some sort of divine intervention is not what us "acclaimed oldest supporters" are suggesting. You must be either skim reading and taking what you like from posts or you are deliberately being obtuse.
31 Aug 2019 11:01:00
Great article by James Gheerbrant in the Times this morning about players ignoring the behaviour of fans when they could take a lead and help stamp out some of the vile chanting and abuse. I'm still amazed at what goes on in football stadiums and what is deemed as ok or part of the game. If more players spoke out against their own club's fans behaviour (when appropriate) then perhaps we would see a change. I won't hold my breath.
28 Aug 2019 13:16:56
Final point on Ole, honest. There are more than the 2 points of view that have been highlighted. I thiink a common view, including mine, is that I have no idea how it will work out but let's see what happens, we probably need 10 games to see a pattern. Pre season was great but we ate analysing every love in every game.
1.) 28 Aug 2019 13:21:49
I’m with you Tony. Can’t wait till the weekend so we can focus on winning again.
2.) 28 Aug 2019 13:44:09
Regardless of what anyone thinks of Ole as a manager, we all unequivocally want to see United win. We seem to be a team that uses momentum, either good or bad. Hopefully we can start with 3 points Saturday.
3.) 28 Aug 2019 13:58:44
Judging teams and players on a game to game basis is a bit nuts imo.
4.) 28 Aug 2019 15:41:48
1 year in is the time to appraise ole fairly. Hot start poor middle ciuld begin to get hot again. Currently we can beat any side on any given day. But we can also lose to any side on any given day.
5.) 28 Aug 2019 16:11:58
I think it's fair to say now is not the time to assess how he has done. I think a year gives a decent amount of time. Although the end of the season seems most logical.
Either way rather than when I would like to know HOW will he be assessed?
Points on the board? Style of play? How much he has improved the players? Giving youth a chance? In truth all of these things should be considered when the time comes to assess him. How much progress has been made, and how much more can he improve further?
6.) 28 Aug 2019 16:22:10
For what it’s worth I don’t think 1 year in is fair on Ole, he spent the half of that year managing and trying to resurrect someone else’s team. It would not be fair to judge any manager on those terms even if they took over a good team.
I think it’s only fair to judge him when it’s his team/ his players. That will never happen though.
7.) 28 Aug 2019 17:21:42
Whatever your stance on Ole is, what are peoples minimum expectations this season? Must he get top 4?
8.) 28 Aug 2019 17:46:49
Top 4 has got to be the target anything else would be a poor season imo.
9.) 28 Aug 2019 18:00:36
He must get top 4 mumbles or win the Europa imo. Either way we must be back in the champions league next season to attract the Calibre of players needed.
10.) 28 Aug 2019 18:41:06
Irrespective of whether we view top 4 as the expectation for the season, I feel it will be the necessyity to bring in the type of player next summer that we will need to elevate us to the next level of our development.
11.) 28 Aug 2019 18:47:33
Top 4 has got to be the minimum requirement. Ideally a couple of good cup runs leading to a trophy. Winning anything would inspire some of our younger players.
If we finish out of the top 4 then it will have been a poor season.
My initial target was 15 points more than last season. That is still achievable although in my reckoning was stopping to drop silly points at home.
12.) 28 Aug 2019 20:32:45
It has to be 4th minimum. A cup would be nice.
I agree Ken, last season dropping points at home killed us. Was hoping that would stop this season.
13.) 28 Aug 2019 20:54:16
Yeah Mort it would be nice to get a run going but its been that way for years now.
14.) 28 Aug 2019 21:22:43
I want and hope OGS can succeed, it also depends on whether the management back him, and let's be honest, the transfer window was ok but not brilliant.
However, the fact still remains that United in the past 20 PL games have amassed a poor 19 points. So, while we all want OGS to succeed, we must also be wary if results do not imorove between now and Christmas.
But with a bit of luck, they will.
15.) 28 Aug 2019 22:11:37
Focus everything on top 4. It's vital for our continuing development. Use the cups to give the youngsters some game time. Depending on the opposition, obviously.
16.) 29 Aug 2019 05:27:16
Top 4 should be the aim.
Europa last 4 would be excellent.
I still feel we are short on fire power up front.
Arsenal's front 3 of Lacazette, Auba and Pepe are match winners.
Our squad needs luck in terms of injuries as we have a thin squad quality wise.
17.) 29 Aug 2019 09:21:34
Top 6 with clear signs of improvement in style and team harmony. If he gets top 4, it would be great and make his task that much easier next season. I also believe he should be given until he has his own squad to be truly judged, unless he just fails miserably. He needs rid of the likes of Matic, Darmian, Jones, Rojo. and to replace them with his own choices, or simply players who match his style of play. Something that will take time.
29 Aug 2019 15:38:21
I’d sell him even if it ‘weakens’ us in the short term. We’ve moved Lukaku and Sanchez on, that’s 2 gone, Pogba is the remaining one who seems to not want to be here. If the price is right, take it.
29 Aug 2019 15:36:37
Great rumour Red Man, you can’t beat a good rumour.
Check out the Spurs site for a great Poch rumour In reply to a question I asked.
14 Aug 2019 17:06:03
I hope it is true as it sends a message through the squad. The rumour is we are offering to pay some of his wages but still nobody wants him, even on loan.
We also need DDG to sign a contract to follow up Marrial and Rashford doing so.
10 Aug 2019 13:01:54
It’s a case of the E, peror’s new clothes for me. We see the odd great pass or flick but over a game he regularly disappears. We can argue all we like about how good a player he is but ultimately he doesn’t want to be here and doesn’t appear to be giving everything for the cause. Talent is great, but without effort and application then it is too often wasted.
10 Aug 2019 12:56:29
Maybe Ole is going to give some youngsters game time, which is why players like Matic and Young will be invaluable squad members. I’d we do play Greenwood, Chong, Gomes, Garner, we need some wise old heads to help them adapt.
04 Oct 2019 17:05:29
Unshaven man on the street corner in his slippers, ‘were all doomed I tell ya, doomed’.
04 Oct 2019 10:10:24
Probably true Singh, but we don't need ro read it again and again.
04 Oct 2019 09:30:58
Red man, I’ve sent a considered post but it hasn’t appeared yet. We know how you feel as you tell us every day. If I didn’t know better I’d think you were a teenager. Your passion for the club is wonderful to see but the constant sniping and insulting is tiresome. Perhaps you could organise an ‘Ole out’ demo for the next home game.
29 Sep 2019 13:10:51
Red Man, I was having some fun at our expense 😃. We ‘now how you feel but you keep telling us. You used the words ‘interesting development’ in your OP as if there is a reason yet to come out. But sheesh, I was just having some fun.
29 Sep 2019 12:12:09
Schmid, I take your pint but I think it’s midfield that is the issue, the forwards are feeding off scraps. If we can significantly strengthen midfield with pace and creativity then we might see more goals.
Danny, I would hope our club still has some pull. I hate the word but I we have a ‘project’ then they will come, Maguire is a case in point.