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22 Jul 2022 10:00:09
Jesse Lingard.
Could have gone to West Ham and been at the upper end of the table fighting for Europe.
Decided to go to Forest for what will likely be a relgation dog fight. Hmm, I wonder why.
1.) 22 Jul 2022 10:13:20
I'd imagine it's so he doesn't have to move his family to London.
2.) 22 Jul 2022 10:18:30
A one year contract too. His agent was talking about PSG, Milan and Juventus interested in him a couple of months ago. Maybe the teams that actually did want him didn't match his ego.
I'm sure he thinks why not get paid handsomely for a year, finish top scorer and then join Madrid next year.
3.) 22 Jul 2022 10:25:00
Surprised he’s not gone on that Love Island!
4.) 22 Jul 2022 10:32:08
And only on a one season deal in case it's straight back down to the Championship. That over the MLS or trying to nudge his way back into the England set-up with West Ham as he was starting to do when on loan there.
5.) 22 Jul 2022 10:35:58
1 year contract on £200K a week plus signing n fee. He'll be able to do the same next year. Seems like the lad has done a pretty decent deal for himself.
6.) 22 Jul 2022 11:13:33
It's all about the money money money.
At least he will get game time. So many players move for money and see their careers die, Sinclair, Drinkwater spring to mind as examples.
7.) 22 Jul 2022 12:31:04
So much on Lingard all the time. Good luck to him if he's getting more money.
So what?
8.) 22 Jul 2022 13:32:13
He's not united so I don't care.
9.) 22 Jul 2022 15:47:46
Shappy is right, he isn’t allowed out of the house without his babysitter. Last time he gave them the slip he spent all his pocket money on chocolate and fizzy sweets. Best to keep him away from that London or he’ll be onto those American Candy stores and spend his £200k weekly wage on milk duds.
10.) 22 Jul 2022 16:28:28
Danny, I think you'll find that he has had to assume the care of his two school aged children while his mum was unable to care for them. On top of having a daughter of his own who lives with her mother after they split up.
Living in Nottingham means he is still close to his family.
While a big wage packet certainly won't do him any harm.
I'd imagine he will see it as an opportunity to stay close to his family earn a big wage and potentially put himself in the shop window for a club like Everton, Leicester or Newcastle.
11.) 22 Jul 2022 17:24:31
Shappy, trains to Nottingham from Manchester take 2 hours, the same time it takes to drive. 2 hours also for Leicester, 3 hours for Newcastle.
Trains to London take 2 hours, and are far more regular. Nottingham is not close to his family, but its a lot more lucrative.
same as driving,
12.) 22 Jul 2022 17:26:17
That should be school aged siblings.
13.) 22 Jul 2022 18:23:06
Poor babysitter has their work cut out. Get two kids to school and then back to cut the crusts off Jessie’s sandwich and get him down for a quick nap before training.
14.) 22 Jul 2022 19:52:32
This is some mad post about why an ex United player has signed for a football team ?
Has anybody here spoke with him? How would any of ye know and who cares why or why he didn't sign for a club.
Got get that money Jesse, enjoy yourself and keep being you.
15.) 22 Jul 2022 21:04:28
Couldn’t give a damn about what Jesse Lingard is doing. When he was coming through I liked the lad, but the past 2 seasons at least I’ve thought he was a git.
Forget him.
16.) 22 Jul 2022 21:08:05
Indeed. It’s his business and his alone. He’ll play every week, it’s a great traditional club, and he’ll be handsomely paid.
As for logistics, I’m sure he’ll work it out by himself ???.
17.) 22 Jul 2022 18:59:50
Despite all this, Lingard’s going straight into my FPL Team!
18.) 23 Jul 2022 13:57:49
Shappy is so busy now googling travel times to uphold the most ridiculous argument of the day?? nice one ajh. Lots to be said b
For knowing your geography??.
14 Nov 2021 08:56:04
I was told last night that Ole has agreed to step aside once a replacement has been found.
Don't know where this rumour came from but hopefully it has legs.
1.) 14 Nov 2021 09:22:12
It does seem like the club have used the international break and particularly Ole and the players not being there to assess their options and hopefully through intermediaries reach out to potential candidates to test the waters.
2.) 14 Nov 2021 10:11:33
I think there’s zero chance of Ole agreeing to step aside. If the club replace him, he’ll be getting compensated handsomely.
3.) 14 Nov 2021 11:56:13
If this is true, at least the club aren't rushing around and are taking their time to make a decision.
4.) 14 Nov 2021 16:05:17
I don’t doubt it Danny, but if it is true, at least Woody can crack on without having to be too secretive.
5.) 14 Nov 2021 18:29:34
Maybe he doesn't know he agreed to step aside, just sayin.
6.) 15 Nov 2021 11:22:14
Any truth to the Zidane rumours?
7.) 17 Nov 2021 08:11:26
TOHoM, only that it is true that they are rumours ?.
03 Aug 2019 14:20:49
I’ve loved reading the posts this week and for what it’s worth, here’s my view.
Maguire is not necessarily the greatest defender but he seems like a big character and as has been said he is better than what we have. The price is irrelevant to me, fees are soon forgotten (unlike wages) . I think he will settle quickly and make a difference.
AWB looks a quality buy in a position where we have struggled so I’m confident that will look a steal as the season progresses.
James has huge potential, looking forward to seeing how he develops.
Dybala I don’t want. No idea where it came from and we really shouldn’t be entertaining it. Fancy name, not pulled up any trees for a couple of years, really don’t see where he fits in.
Fernandes look quality and would be a good signing and if we are interested then I have no idea why it is taking so long.
We need to ship Pogba out as quickly as possible, assuming anyone has made any sort of sensible offer. I don’t buy the line that he’s really popular. If he isn’t committed to the cause then he needs to leave.
Sanchez also needs to go. I’d even let him go on a free or nominal fee as it would free up at least £15M because of his ridiculous contract.
Lukaku also needs to go and again I’d take the best offer that is on the table. We may lose on the fees but the benefit to team spirit and morale of shipping out players who don’t want to be her is immense. There’s a bunch of other players we need to move on and again we should make it attractive to potential buyers. Darmian and Rojo for starters.
Imagine those 5 gone, 4 new signings (I’m assuming a CM is coming), and a few from the youth promoted. The feel and mood will be lifted and with the extra fitness and energy, with everyone committed and pulling in the same direction, who knows where we will get to.
I fear there is not enough time left to move players on but for me that is just as important on bringing new ones in.
1.) 03 Aug 2019 14:37:38
It would be foolish to let pogba leave so late in the window, no chance we have enough time to obtain a replacement.
Saul would fit the bill, but that would be a complicated deal and there are questions marks over whether he would even want to come.
Are SMS or fernandes as good as pogba? if looked at objectively you would say they were not on his level.
Dybala is probably the clearest route to getting rid of lukaku as inter milan are unable to source the funds to do a deal, so this swap deal is a pretty good compromise to get rid of a player who doesn't fit oles style and bring in a player who does.
25, 5 year contract means we have plenty of scope to get a resale value when he inevitably pines for a move to madrid or Barcelona like pogba. Could be a shrewd bit of business by the club.
2.) 03 Aug 2019 14:49:29
DSG, if you put my reservations aside, Ed002 has said Dybala doesn’t want to come. If he’s having to be convinced then we shouldn’t do it,
3.) 03 Aug 2019 15:15:18
Tony do you honestly expect Dybala to happily want to leave a team with Ronaldo and several stars which is guaranteed at least a major trophy and also UCL football every season and come over to us because we are Manchester United?
That ship has sailed!
No matter how attractive a team is, it still has to make an effort to appeal to a prospective player.
4.) 03 Aug 2019 15:18:42
I honestly think you will be surprised how many player would not want to join us this summer. No champions league is a big loss especially in a window where bayern, real, Barcelona and juve are all making big deals.
Look at sancho, he realised that coming to united this window would be not be ideal for his development when we are undergoing significant changes and his development was much better suited staying at dortmund.
Does that mean we shouldn't go in for him next summer when we will still need to convince him we are the right club with the right stability for him to continue his development?
Dybala is an oppurtune signing granted but if he does join it won't be against his will, quite a few player over the year have needed to be convinced/ persuaded to join clubs.
5.) 03 Aug 2019 15:23:18
I really don't get why people would wants Pogba to stay. Old may say all the right things about Pogba having a great attitude blah blah blah, but the player clearly wants out.
If we keep hold of him against his wishes we will just have the same circus every transfer window. It's unsettling for everyone, including Old, despite what he may say in public.
Pogba is obviously talented and is a match winner on his day. I understand that, but keeping an unhappy player is counter productive.
On the flip side, we shouldn't be forced to sell him on the cheap. But over inflating his price so that he is effectively priced out of a more is daft in my opinion.
Despite the fact that some fans 'hero worship' some players, Pogba is not worthy of that label. Talent is nothing without application, effort and desire and Mr Pogba is severely lacking in the later.
6.) 03 Aug 2019 15:35:43
Until last week his name hadn’t come up, nobody on here had suggested we try and buy him or he would add anything to our team. Now suddenly many are drooling over him and I don’t get it. We should have learned from Di Maria. He doesn’t want to come, allegedly he wants £350K a week, allegedly his agent wants £13M, it’s possibly taken our focus from Fernandes. The only positive I can see is we lose Lukaku, that’s about it.
I don’t really buy the Champions League argument. Actually I do buy it and it hacks me off. There’s only a few teams that will win it, and there seems to be a snobbishness that has materialised with players ‘not wanting to take a step down’. I’m not sure how we’ve allowed it to become so important, for me the domestic title is still the biggest trophy by far.
7.) 03 Aug 2019 15:37:47
Of course he needs convincing AJH. He is not a fan like is. He is at a top club where his life family and friends are and you think a good pitch and lots of reassurances are not required.
You don't seem to be the sort of chap to make knee jerk life changing decisions without due consultation and thought process and advice. Do you think dybala should?
8.) 03 Aug 2019 15:56:18
Is aguero not a good example why is it always di Maria.
Do people think aguero was a life long city fan desperate to move to a team that had won nothing for years?
Or did him and his agent need a bit of convincing and a bucket of cash .
I'm not saying we should or shouldn't sign him but there's a bit of a line in the sand starting with one or 2 players,
9.) 03 Aug 2019 16:02:27
Of course he's reluctant. We're not exactly known for stability are we. He enjoys life in Italy and is reluctant to leave. But Juve are forcing him out.
10.) 03 Aug 2019 16:03:54
Madrid have been making sensible offers for Pogba throughout this window.
UTD think they can get more with very little other clubs being able to afford him.
Only a few clubs or so at the over inflated fee and wages able to afford Pogba which sees UTD keeping a player who wants to leave *evil laugh*.
Barcelona not going to sign Pogba.
11.) 03 Aug 2019 16:09:33
What offers have real made?
12.) 03 Aug 2019 16:24:59
Guys AJH has a point. The problem is not there is a convincing required for Dybala. But why to convince a player who is not seen as much needed who is not willing to move to us who will demand monstrous wage who has stalled for the past year. If it is someone who we have identified as main target it's worth going through the trouble. Imagine we sign him and has not really worked out then we will have another player on 350k wages very difficult to move.
13.) 03 Aug 2019 16:35:27
I said the same to shappy last week jred.
People are saying don't sign him he doesn't want to be here. Yet those same purple are saying keep pogba even though he doesn't want to be here.
If dybala comes and he and the team are successful he will love it at United. Just like aguero has done.
Im not desperate for him to sign if he does it would be potentially a very good and exciting signing.
14.) 03 Aug 2019 17:00:59
My wider point is he hadn't been mentioned by anybody, the fans hadn't suggested him nor were the club pursuing him. Suddenly a swap is on, not exactly thought through is it?
15.) 03 Aug 2019 17:02:49
You could say the same with pogba, if go his and uniteds way he may have a change in heart .
Not sure why everything needs to be set in stone .
I'm far from convince dybala would be a good fit in the epl, who who knows.
16.) 03 Aug 2019 17:11:34
Is it possible for a player to come in, not really wanting to come in at first and then change his mind? If he is the consummate professional, he might also put in some decent performances.
Also, he could just say no right now?
17.) 03 Aug 2019 18:00:01
Ajh
He was mentioned a few month ago, don't know if the reports where true but he was linked a few months back.
But some times a player becomes available and you take a chance, any Cole, king Eric.
Angel
Is it possible that a player wants to leave then circumstances change and he changes his mind, Or do we hold it against him for the rest of his career.
18.) 03 Aug 2019 18:01:09
The club have had interest in dybala for 12 months according to ed002. i'm not convinced but he is a very talented player so if he settles it could work out.
Pogba is here and if he stays and does well he may well have a change of heart i agree but i'm not one for keeping unhappy players it usually doesn't work out. We can on my hope it does if he stays.
19.) 03 Aug 2019 19:33:15
Hi jred, not at all. I think if a player has a change of heart and wants to stay, put in the performances etc, he should most definitely get the chance. I think that's quite fair. But definitely no point keeping a player that is unhappy and wants to move. Does this answer work?
Is there a particular player you are talking about or just anyone in general?
20.) 03 Aug 2019 20:00:04
Angel
To many to mention to be honest once any one makes a mistake or reportedly does you want them out.
Lazy bad attitude said this said that.
21.) 03 Aug 2019 20:17:14
No, I'd like you to mention them. Very happy to give you my reasons behind everyone.
I'm quite sure that when I have shown my dissatisfaction in a player it is usually merited, justified.
I don't call for players to be bought and sold like in a game of FIFA.
I also am very happy to back good, hard working and loyal players when many dont. Again, when I feel its justified.
Feels like you're just having a pop though. It's something you like to do quite often. I hope I haven't upset you at any point. Or will you hold my opinions against me for the rest of my time posting on here? 😊.
22.) 03 Aug 2019 22:15:30
We have appointed Director of football - it's AJH
All sound decisions taken. 🤫.
23.) 04 Aug 2019 09:23:15
Reading the page the last day or two it’s clear we don’t need any insight from Ed002 as maxlfc knows absolutely everything about our club lol.
24.) 04 Aug 2019 20:42:32
Oh man :P
Wrote a post about how the youngsters are doing, and how you feel about them and this turned into Pogba/ Dybala debate.
25.) 05 Aug 2019 07:31:02
To be honest guys I don't care and the reason is we are focusing on players not playing for our club.
When the focus should be #GlazersOut.
24 Mar 2018 10:31:23
There are some that said Jesse wasn’t good enough and I guess there are still some that think he is at best a squad player but you have to give the lad credit. He keeps popping up scoring important goals and he plays with a smile on his face and seems to enjoy every moment. I’m so pleased for him and I hope he can take that final step and be consistent.
1.) 24 Mar 2018 16:25:04
He has always been highly thought off within the club. It was always accepted that he would take longer to find his feet due to his size. I read an interview with him where he said that Sir Alex always said he would become a real player when he's 25 like Tigana. I wonder how much of him really stepping up this season is down to him feeling that this year was going to be his year.
I did worry when we signed Sanchez as it was going to push either Lingard or Martial out of the side when arguably they we our best two forwards at that time. Maybe its time for Sanchez to be dropped for a game or two and make him fight for his place against players who are in form.
2.) 24 Mar 2018 16:40:40
Shaps, I don’t know why we bought Sanchez other than to stop City buying him. We had needs inother areas way before a left sided attacker was needed and even if he starts firing it just relegates Martial or Rashford. This smacks of Woodward and his marque signing obsession. I don’t want to upset you but if Bale is available you can bet your mortgage Ed will be there waving his chequebook.
3.) 24 Mar 2018 16:46:51
The thing with Jesse is you know he will work on the pitch and not hide. He has proven this year that he has more in the locker than people thought imo but he had the beginnings of a good season couple of years back when he got ani injury early on at Swansea I think. Change of personel and management has not deterred him and I think he has saved us a good few bob on bringing in a n other player.
4.) 24 Mar 2018 16:58:44
I was one of those thinking he wasn't going to be up to it and would be sold, at times I feel foolish, but then he can be anonymous far too often for me (like most of our attacking players) .
I still think in order for us to be competing at the very top we need better than Lingard. But if he improves again as much as he has over the past 18 months then he will deserve a regular berth in a top Utd team.
I love his energy and clever runs, maybe there is even more to come from him once we get back to playing proper attacking football and those runs will be picked out by players that currently refuse the pass and opt for 'safety' instead. I certainly would like him to impact games more consistently as well, 10 seconds of brilliance now and again is good, but we need more than that over a 90 minute match from an attacking midfielder.
5.) 24 Mar 2018 17:39:38
I agree Beastand that was my point about consistency. When he is good he is very good but often you can forget he is on the pitch, which is very frustrating when he gets himself in such good positions and scores such important goals. He needs to turn up for more games than he does, which I think he will if he continues to develop as he has done in the last year. And he is home grown which means a lot to me,
6.) 24 Mar 2018 17:52:11
Does he go missing or as mentioned above is it a case of him making good runs and his team mates not playing the creative pass to find him?
The best players score in the big games, which he does more consistently than those around him. H deserves his place in the team, he works hard, he offers movement and he can finish. I think he will thrive if we add more quality to the midfield. He is a bit of a social media whore, but as long as he performs on the pitch it’s not a problem. I wish pogba put half the effort in he does.
7.) 24 Mar 2018 18:33:58
Agree with all of the posts regarding jesse in some degree, better than dele alli in my opinion who plays a similar role especially this season.
8.) 25 Mar 2018 05:21:49
I must be the only one who doesn't yet rate him. He for me is going through his Smalling patch where player looks good for a season or 2 but with lingard it has only been 2 months rather than the whole season.
He was mostly anonymous until December and has been anonymous for most part since February. That is 2 good months in 3-4 years. Yes he scores some important goals from time to time but he going to have to perform much better to be more than a squad player.
9.) 25 Mar 2018 16:58:04
No MU player apart from De Gea has been sensational for long, playing good for some time and then playing poorly.
10.) 26 Mar 2018 14:14:47
CSM, that's not really fair, even if he's only started looking like a real top player this season, he's actually been doing well for the last couple of years. He was hardly "anonymous" before December anyway. 8 goals and assists in 17 games, 11 of which he played 30 minutes or less in, may not be setting the league on fire, but it's certainly not "anonymous".
Re: the consistency, I'm inclined to agree with Huggy. He's suffering from the way the team is playing, and would have a much more consistent impact if the runs he makes were picked out a bit more often by players behind him. Now, I'm not saying he's doing everything right, maybe he'd still be a bit inconsistent with players behind him looking for those runs and playing more positive football, but the point is that we don't really know, and I don't think it's fair to judge him too harshly when we don't really know how much of the inconsistency is down to him, and how much is down to the way the teamas a whole is playing.
I would really love to see Herrera used in a more advanced role, ahead of Matic rather than alongside him, where he can look to play the passes that someone like Lingard can feed on. It's too easy to see his great defensive performances last season and forget that he's a great passer of the ball, with an eye for getting team mates in behind the defence.
11.) 26 Mar 2018 14:23:10
That FA cup winning goal seemed to really kick him on and he’s improved a lot since then.
CSM,
How you can say he’s been anonymous is beyond me, he’s probably scored more important goals than any other player in the last 2 years.
12.) 26 Mar 2018 14:53:27
Gds important goals don't mean consistency. Yes he scored against Chelsea and in fa cup final but can you remember a run of games until December where you could say he was consistently good. A first team player needs to be consistently good and unlike rashford or martial lingard isn't exactly in the youngster category.
Thorne he has been good this season but last season he had 5 goals and 3 assists in 42 games in lvg's last season he had 7 goals and 4 assists in 41 games. Those are not good figures and he needs get similar to his current nos before we can be sure that he has improved rather than going through a purple patch.
Also where exactly will he play next season jose wants savic added to the team and jorginho as replacement for carrick, so we most likely will be switching to a mf 3.
13.) 30 Mar 2018 18:44:50
Good player, nice lad, silly dancer.
17 Feb 2018 08:31:11
Interesting rumour this morning, Real ready to move for Pogba. Could be paper trash talk of course but if they did and the money was big, would you sell? Clearly the boy has talent but he has yet to dominate a game or deliver on his potential. Is that down to him, the Manager, or a combination of both.
If the money was silly should we cash in? The problem with that is that he may go on and become the dominating player we believe is in there somewhere, and replacing him will cost a fortune too. For me, I’d seriously consider it though.
{Ed002's Note - There is zero interest in Paul Pogba from Real Madrid. They have very, very different ideas who they want.}
1.) 17 Feb 2018 11:41:22
There is no way we should be selling Pogba it would be crazy to do so.
Its likr selling the next messi and then trying to go buy a next ronaldo because we are noy patient enough.
2.) 17 Feb 2018 11:59:12
"Cash in" wtf? So some now want to sell Pogba when we have few midfielders for a pretty poor return? You bored with FIFA?
3.) 17 Feb 2018 11:20:17
Yay. Thanks ed for that.
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01 Aug 2022 14:54:12
The important question is, where has tim_99 gone?
1.) 01 Aug 2022 20:42:13
Haven't seen him post for a bit.
Where are u Tim.
2.) 01 Aug 2022 21:18:28
Giving you all a break from my endless moaning…that and i’ve been spending some quality time with the family. Hope everyone on here is keeping well and looking forward (with cautious optimism) to the new season.
3.) 02 Aug 2022 07:05:41
Top man, good to know all is well.
4.) 02 Aug 2022 21:10:26
Thanks appreciate that ?.
21 Jul 2022 13:33:30
3 new recruits, all ETH picks apparently which is good news.
However, we remain shockingly light of quality in midfield and continue to chase a player who doesn't want to come to us.
Go figure.
1.) 21 Jul 2022 13:52:50
AJH - I get the worry with De Jong but can't believe that we are persuing this without an understanding that he would be willing to come and Barcalona are willing to sell.
This could be blind stupidity but if he is the one player the De Jong wants I am happy to wait. We have Erikson coming in that will add some quality in midfield and I genuinely believe that Savage/ Iqbal/ Garner could have an impact as the season goes on.
I am happy with the recruits to date, all look quality and will fit the way EtH wants to play over the next couple of years.
2.) 21 Jul 2022 14:01:11
It’s now being widely reported that FDJ has stated he has “no desire to play for Manchester United”. Ed02 has also consistently stated that FDJ does not want to come to United. So given that, I am confused as to why we are still chasing the player. It makes no sense no matter how much ETH might want him. If the player doesn’t want to be here we should be looking elsewhere.
3.) 21 Jul 2022 14:45:40
I think midfield and up front are both problems this year.
In midfield we have lost two regular starters - Pogba and Matic without replacing them. This is on top of the midfield being a weak point last season with them. It might be possible to have a youth player step up as one the replacements. But going into the new season with McFred as the only established midfielders would be an unmitigated disaster. Still not convinced that either DVB or Eriksen can play in a midfield without an outright holding player. I think the club is continuing to waste time on FDJ and this could cost us.
Up front, if Ronaldo leaves, we are left with Martial as the main striker, with Rashford as back up. Ignore the hype of Martial being rejuvenated under ETH. We’ve seen too many false dawns to be fooled again. He might have a good run of games, but soon enough he’ll be back to the lazy, anonymous performances. Rashford just doesn’t have the killer instinct to be a striker. He’s better off rediscovering his form on the wing. I think that failure to bring in a new striker will cost us next year too.
4.) 21 Jul 2022 17:12:05
Brad. do not show to much confidence in what United Transfer guys can do and can not do. they are just horrible.
So, it's time to move on and tell to EtH that. hey bald man. he is not the last player on earth.
5.) 21 Jul 2022 18:08:38
Good day all first timer on here, @danny we all know how martial have failed us but for you to reach a conclusion on him already without kicking the ball is laughable. Yes there's a need to strengthen in attack, but I strongly believe he will be different under ETH.
6.) 21 Jul 2022 18:16:57
I don't see how losing Pogba should be a big problem. He only played 20x last year and scored 1 goal. 20/ 21 was not a whole lot better. On top of that he was never what you might call a defensive asset. For me, Pogba was the poster boy for everything wrong at United. Eriksen is an upgrade. And we all know that Matic, despite his abilities, was slow and past it.
Up front, while Ronaldo scored a lot of goals, the rest of the team suffered offensively. Could it be because "give it to Ronaldo" - which seemed to be both his and the manager's instruction - is not an effective team strategy. When you are trying to rebuild a team there is no long term benefit to changing everything to suit a 37 y. o It's actually disruptive. Let's hope Ronaldo moves on, and if not, he willingly plays according to the manager's instruction and only as often as the manager requires. Signing Ronaldo was a mistake both for the club and Ronaldo himself.
If the de Jong deal falls through I expect we will sign someone else, although not necessarily in that position - possibly Antony. I do not think we will make two more big purchases. The DM will just have to wait for a subsequent window. I also expect that if EtH can get this team playing the pressing game as he requires players like Fred and McTom will actually do better than they have in the past.
7.) 21 Jul 2022 18:51:06
Uwaluv, he has been here for 7 years and has kicked many balls, think it’s fair to make a judgment at this stage.
He has played under numerous managers, in a number of positions. Every time the end result has been the same, the manager getting frustrated by Martial’s inconsistency, lack of work rate and poor attitude.
Ole is the prime example. He made Martial the main striker in his first full season. Got 6 good months out of him, then the form dropped. By the next year an ageing Cavani had pushed him out of the first team. Season after he was surplus to the squad. He even flopped on his loan.
The problem isn’t talent, he just doesn’t have the application or attitude to be a top class player.
14 Jul 2022 09:48:45
I'm liking ETH's approach. We know that the Dutch can be perceived as 'direct', but I like it. I hope he is true to his word and picks players who impress irrespective of age or experience.
I see Rashford says the players are a lot fitter under ETH; let that sink in, our players were not fit enough. We knew this because we saw them lumbering around the pitch but how on Earth did that happen?
A new k3ft back, a new CB, a new CM, and we are still trying the somewhat futile attempt to secure FDJ. Add in improved fitness, clear standards, proper coaching, an actual plan, and we may hopefully see something that brings some joy and not depair.
And finally Esther (one for the oldies), let's sort the Ronaldo situation out, personally I'd prefer him to go but let's not drag it out.
1.) 14 Jul 2022 10:52:24
What new cm are you talking about AJH? Last I knew we had not signed anyone in cm. Eriksen still hasn't signed and I don't think he will be playing cm. It'll be wide or no10.
2.) 14 Jul 2022 11:15:24
Ronaldo needs to go, the press from the front capitulates if he plays and that is unacceptable. Even martial seems to be on board with it (for now) so he either plays and keeps working or we get someone in that will. Ronaldo staying puts us back a year imo.
3.) 14 Jul 2022 11:26:46
I meant Eriksen, interested to see where he fits in.
I'm also interested to see is and where ETH plays DVDB.
4.) 14 Jul 2022 12:52:36
Fdj will also be a new midfielder imo. I think they will get this over the line.
Really important for the manager.
Dvdb ericksen fdj Fred mctom Bruno fighting for 3 spots in all likelihood backed up by a few youth prospects.
Still looks a bit light on aggression in midfield but it depends on our approach I think.
5.) 14 Jul 2022 12:58:49
I think DVDB will play the same number of games he played last season. He isn’t suddenly going to be good enough for the premier league no matter who his manager is. He’s weak, doesn’t create any chances and looks lost when played deeper. If ETH gets anything out of him he’s a genius.
6.) 14 Jul 2022 12:59:33
It's been obvious for years that Ole's standards in terms of competing was non existent. That bleeds through to training and over time you'll see a dip in everything including sharpness and fitness.
He rewarded mediocrity while placing no expectations on the team. It seems like the squad have already bought into Ten Hags methods in training. So much of football is mental. If you set the expectations high then you meet them or leave.
Early sings are positive AJH which is music to all our ears.
7.) 14 Jul 2022 13:14:46
Completely agree with you GDS2. He looks completely lost, the game just passes him.
I think he will be a squad player, and mainly be used as a substitute.
8.) 14 Jul 2022 12:37:58
Think Eriksen will be a regular starter in as part of a midfield 3 - great player.
Best transfer will be Martinez - more important than FDJ. He can bring it out from the back, distribute accurately to both wings (look at what VVD for Liverpool) rather than hoofing it hopefully to the front and losing it straight away.
Plus he can play CDM, which is where I think he’ll play for us for the first year, then back to CB if we can then bring Rice in to play as CDM.
9.) 14 Jul 2022 12:40:13
Roonbest, CR7 is going nowhere. We've got another season of him I imagine. Enjoy it!
10.) 14 Jul 2022 14:04:26
Spenno he will get goals I'm sure but it will be at the cost of the team I fear . 1 player not pressing is enough for it to fall apart unfortunately.
11.) 14 Jul 2022 14:41:46
Strangely I think dvdb will have a better season and think he may do well. I have to be honest and say this is just a gut feeling and he has not been great at utd or Everton but imo he was good for ajax.
I just have a feeling once the whole side get used to quick passing and creating triangles this may benefit him by suiting his game and help his performances.
I hope I am right as it would mean he played well for our team but I could just as easily be wrong.
12.) 14 Jul 2022 15:25:37
Donny is a good player who hasn't got any sort of run in this United team. Hopefully with a new set up, we will see more of him.
As Ten Hag said himself, United were committing a mortal sin with their treatment of DVB.
It won't take a genius to get something from DVB, just not someone like Ole.
13.) 14 Jul 2022 15:31:09
We bought DvdB and Bruno, they both played in the same position at their respective clubs. We played Bruno as a 10 meaning DvdB was shoehorned in at 8, not his best position. He played with Tadic as a false nine, making runs into the box when Tadic dropped back playing intricate passes thus why his goal and assist numbers were good. Playing in a system he knows with a coach who trust him and knows his attributes I’m sure will mean DvdB will have a much better time of it this season.
14.) 14 Jul 2022 17:05:45
Unfortunately, I suspect Ronaldo will drag out.
There doesn’t seem to be much interest in him at present, but as we get closer to the transfer deadline, he might seem an attractive option to a side struggling for goals.
{Ed0666's Note - Al Nassr FC maybe?
15.) 14 Jul 2022 17:44:30
Why would you go to a Saudi Arabian club for 2 years for £210 million in wages?
16.) 14 Jul 2022 18:17:32
Cos he loves the club Oakbark.
17.) 14 Jul 2022 19:26:37
What’s with all these acronyms? It takes me half an hour to work out who the contributor is talking about. Can we not use their name or nickname?
18.) 15 Jul 2022 01:38:20
DVDB is Derek Van Dunkle Burger obviously, that’s all you really need to know.
19.) 15 Jul 2022 09:35:45
And Shaw is, I ate Derek van dunkel burger.
20.) 15 Jul 2022 14:57:30
EtH is Eventually Time Heals
Fred is Frustrating Excellence Equally Distributed.
21.) 15 Jul 2022 16:23:21
That would be the only thing Fred has ever distributed.
22.) 15 Jul 2022 17:35:41
What was that? How did I spell Fred?!
I was thinking Fantastic Rubbish (in) Equal Distribution and type out that nonsense!
13 Jul 2022 12:44:30
I may be giving our club more credit than they are due, but I doubt they would fly to Barcelona unless they believed a deal was on the cards. Surely they understand what the issue is and what needs to happen?
FDJ apparently says he has no intention of leaving Barcelona or taking a pay cut, and I guess they can’t make him. But if that is their ultimatum to him then he has to make a decision. There’s a World Cup coming up and they could just not play him, childish perhaps but perfectly possible. He can stay at Barca, take a massive pay cut and wave goodbye to his deferred payments, or he can leave and probably get a good pay rise out of it.
Perhaps he thinks he can stay, refuse a pay cut, insist on his deferred payments, and just carry on playing. This seems odd given the mess they are in and the pay cuts others have taken, but again, perfectly possible.
You can only hope that discussions have taken place behind the scenes and this is a game of chicken but I retain a nagging feeling we are unicorn hunting. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time.
1.) 13 Jul 2022 12:57:46
Tony, I hope you are right. But with our shambles of a set up, you never know.
2.) 13 Jul 2022 13:53:54
I don't think the club have done much wrong here. They've been negotiating with Barcelona who are a complete mess, Laporta who is trying to con people like a poor street side magician.
I'm sure at some stage Frenkie as said he may be interested but things can change. He may be very angry with how Barcelona how handled this and is digging his feet in, who knows really.
All I know is that the club have done their up most to sign the managers number 1 target. That sounds good to me.
Where it will make this into a farce is if we continue to wait for Frenkie to make up his mind and delay midfield signings because of it. Give him a date to decide, if he wants to Stay wish him well and onto the next player on the list.
3.) 13 Jul 2022 14:10:08
The big issue seems to be the €17m owed to De Jong in deferred wages. Barcelona are treating the player very poorly, and trying to use United to avoid paying what they owe him.
My view is that United need to walk away. The transfer is a farce, and there are other targets that could be signed instead. I don’t see any reason for us to be enabling Barca’s behaviour here.
{Ed002's Note - No, that is not the "biggest" issue.}
4.) 13 Jul 2022 14:10:25
The big issue seems to be the €17m owed to De Jong in deferred wages. Barcelona are treating the player very poorly, and trying to use United to avoid paying what they owe him.
My view is that United need to walk away. The transfer is a farce, and there are other targets that could be signed instead. I don’t see any reason for us to be enabling Barca’s behaviour here.
5.) 13 Jul 2022 14:16:54
Thanks ED002. Just going on what media has been saying.
Is there still a lack of agreement on price or is it simply that the player doesn’t want to move?
{Ed002's Note - The player does not want to leave Barcelona.}
6.) 13 Jul 2022 14:40:38
I mean lads eds has reportedly said about 20 times we haven't agreed a deal yet. hopefully john and ricks european tour has another Barcelona leg later this week.
{Ed002's Note - The club need to move on now.}
7.) 13 Jul 2022 14:53:41
I can't believe the club are still trying to sort out a deal for De Jong. They have been burnt before when signing players who don't want to play them.
8.) 13 Jul 2022 15:07:35
More time wasted by the amateurs ed. No doubt they will continue their pursuit of him though.
9.) 13 Jul 2022 15:14:26
I never thought we would be able to sign the player this year if eth was not our manager ed i think he's the man pushing for the deal and would have some knowlege of if he can convince the player I've no idea if he personally has had that chance or soon will have that chance.
But we have to move on eventually the club seem in a position of doomed if they do doomed if they dont. don't get him they get told why spend so long and miss out on so many others not to get him. do get him people will complain we have spent so much tome on a player who doesn't really want to be at the club or it would have been completed earlier.
10.) 13 Jul 2022 15:33:52
We should just move on now. It is not like the club haven't tried to sign him, sometimes it just doesn't happen.
There are plenty of players out there who we could sign instead. My money is on Ruben Neves but I'd opt for Fabian Ruiz but I don't think he's been looked at by the club.
11.) 13 Jul 2022 15:38:39
De Jong may want to stay but Barcelona want to sell him. Unless he takes a pay cut he won't be playing for Barcelona next season.
12.) 13 Jul 2022 15:44:19
We will shortly turn to our backup plan that Bissouma lad from Brighton.
13.) 13 Jul 2022 17:03:48
Chorlton, he is under contract and cannot be forced to accept a new contract on worse conditions.
A player under contract cannot be forced to leave a club or join another club.
If De Jong has decided to stay at Barcelona, as Ed002 states, the club have two options: honour his contract or break the contract and get sued. They can refuse to give him game time, but he’s still entitled to his full salary and the deferred wages he’s owed by the club.
14.) 13 Jul 2022 17:26:54
Looks as though De Jong’s first choice is to stay at Barcelona on his current contract which has built-increases.
That’s not going to happen though with Barcelona’s financial position. Nor would they perhaps argue that De Jong has lit up La Liga and been value for money for his wages. Albeit him not playing in his favoured role.
Barca look to be offering ‘if you stay we will paying you less’ and no doubt they’ll any his deferred wages written off too.
De Jong has a contract though. He’s not forced to settle for anything less. And why should he?
Barca seemingly want to sell as he’s one of their few assets they can get sizeable cash for so they can reinvest in the squad.
So perhaps it is De Jong wants Barcelona but they no longer want him. But in the meantime he doesn’t have to do anything.
United offer a partial solution. Maybe not first choice but if he’s no longer wanted why wouldn’t he eventually move? He’s just making sure though that, if he does have to leave, he’s not leaving until every cent owed to him is paid.
15.) 13 Jul 2022 17:41:27
Oakbark
The one who signed for Spurs for £25?m, Spurs got a fantastic deal there.
16.) 13 Jul 2022 17:57:42
It's only the agents that have said that FDJ doesn't want to leave.
Hes not going to say he wants to leave when he's owed around €17m is he. Barcelona are trying to wriggle out from paying him.
Guarantee he's in a United shirt next week.
{Ed014's Note - and he’ll be the missing piece!
9 assists over the last 3 seasons, you’ve got a gem there mate.
17.) 13 Jul 2022 18:03:31
Don't want bissouma near our club right now.
{Ed014's Note - how did you know he had covid?
18.) 13 Jul 2022 20:19:06
Ed014 - De Jong’s game isn’t about assists. I guarantee he ‘assists the assist’ more than most in Europe by playing the defence splitting through ball to a winger/ striker/ no.10 who then lay a goal on a plate for another player. De Jong is outstanding - comfortably in the top 10 central midfielders in Europe.
{Ed014's Note - makes sense he’s staying at Barca then to be fair
19.) 13 Jul 2022 20:46:50
Danny. the 3rd option. which you have missed. is to tell him he is not part of Barcelona's plans and if he stays he will not be 1st choice. They want to sell him so why would they make it easy for him to stay. It very likely he will not be playing for Barcelona next season.
20.) 13 Jul 2022 20:50:48
Redman I think Oakbark was joking. at least i hope he was ?.
21.) 13 Jul 2022 22:39:57
As I said, if you bothered reading it, “They can refuse to give him game time, but he’s still entitled to his full salary and the deferred wages he’s owed by the club. ”
So, yeah that’s what Barcelona can do, freeze a player on a massive contract out of the team while still paying his massive contract.
22.) 14 Jul 2022 01:44:12
Chorlton, just like they froze Dembele out after he refused a move in January? They wanted to sell him to get money before his contract ended, he refused, they threatened aha yet he still played most of the remaining season as far as I remember ?.
{Ed001's Note - only because it was Koeman who threatened and then he was replaced.}
23.) 14 Jul 2022 06:47:55
Thanks Ed01 ??
Just my opinion but unless he takes a pay cut he's leaving.
24.) 14 Jul 2022 07:01:58
Does Xavi actually want Frenkie gone? Would think it's El Presidente who wants the 17 million a year off the books. Can't see him being frozen out on that wage a week and of the manager wants to play him if he refuses to leave.
25.) 14 Jul 2022 07:13:18
I do think we should walk away, this is Barca's mess and I think they simply wants us to stump up the cash Frenkie is owed as part of the deal to get them out of their own mess.
This is compunded by the fact he wants to stay as well snd whilst I am sure a player can be convinced to move I just don't think this scenario is the one where we want to do this.
26.) 14 Jul 2022 10:09:28
Oakbark, you do know he was signed by Spurs right?
27.) 14 Jul 2022 10:24:07
Move on to who lol, ETH has bet the house on getting Frenkie through the door.
If we don't get FDJ over the line simply because he doesn't want to leave Barcelona, the club and city, serious questions would have to be asked of ETH.
I mean doesn't he have him on whatsapp or instagram lol.
28.) 14 Jul 2022 11:01:03
Loyalty Bonus.
04 Jul 2022 10:59:11
I've never heard of half of the players we are linked with, and of the ones I have heard of, I haven't seen most of them so have no idea if they are any good. Whilst many won't admit it, I suspect I am not alone.
It's simple for me, if the Manager wants them, then I am happy.
1.) 04 Jul 2022 12:30:46
And if you look or even watch YouTube videos of them, most of these signings are players that flexible over multiple positions and very technical players rather than brute force players. Eriksen, De Jong, Martinez all look very comfortable on the ball, which means if all of these lot come then we are going be more creative than what we were before.
Think it's a strong hint to players like AWB who is just good at last ditch tackles.
I personally cannot wait for the first pre season game to start.
2.) 04 Jul 2022 12:38:25
I feel the same. People are writing off Martinez due to his height etc. Ten Hag managed him last year and obviously trusts him. If he’s happy to have him, then so be it.
The transfer window has become a circus with every journo and Twitter iITK trying to make a name for themselves.
We could sign 5/ 6 unknowns for all I care. I just want to see some decent football for a while.
3.) 04 Jul 2022 14:08:37
I am of the same opinion and do not care if we have not heard of players as long as they are what eth wants. I think this year may be quite tough regardless of who we buy as it will take a while before eth knows who can do what he wants tactically, who does not fit or who cannot work hard enough for his demands.
I am enjoying hearing things about the training though and the fact eth is so involved and stopping to coach when not too his liking. I feel we have a proper coach which will bring benefits to our structure (if the players buy into it and do as asked) . By all accounts the training is more intense and has more coaching input than previously with ole and ralf.
4.) 04 Jul 2022 14:22:10
Correct Tony. A very mature attitude imo.
5.) 04 Jul 2022 16:00:18
Spot on Tony.
Bookedredmole, I'm loving all the things I'm hearing and seeing from the training ground.
We have a actual coach who will get involved and train the players, bring them to heel and clearly put across what he wants/ needs from them.
As such I'm sure there are maybe half a dozen players at least that most fans have written off who'll come good for us next season with clear guidance and direction from a top class coach.
03 Aug 2022 19:56:35
What's the point in mmeting his agent when he has been clear he doesn't want 5o come to us?
28 Jul 2022 18:57:27
Most reports say he does nort want to come to United, Ed002 says he doesn't want to come to United, why are people still thinking he might come?
This has gone on for too long already. Yes the Manager wants him but jeez, time for us to move on.
28 Jul 2022 15:20:43
TOHOM, I believe the club would do that, I think most of our transfer dealings continue to be handled by amateurs.
26 Jul 2022 17:29:14
Another player who doesn't want to come to United.
22 Jul 2022 17:24:31
Shappy, trains to Nottingham from Manchester take 2 hours, the same time it takes to drive. 2 hours also for Leicester, 3 hours for Newcastle.
Trains to London take 2 hours, and are far more regular. Nottingham is not close to his family, but its a lot more lucrative.
same as driving,
05 Aug 2022 18:11:30
What have I missed, I did a search but I couldn't find anything? I took a break when it all got a bit tense, never forget it is just a game, there are far more important things in life.
04 Aug 2022 17:25:14
Similar to ken, also
A defined way of playing, players picked on merit, topm3ffort and application, players improving as they are coached properly.
02 Aug 2022 07:05:41
Top man, good to know all is well.
01 Aug 2022 10:34:15
"Less spoken", not a phrase you are usually familiar with Shaps. ?.
27 Jul 2022 05:22:29
Red Man ???.