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03 Aug 2019 14:20:49
I’ve loved reading the posts this week and for what it’s worth, here’s my view.
Maguire is not necessarily the greatest defender but he seems like a big character and as has been said he is better than what we have. The price is irrelevant to me, fees are soon forgotten (unlike wages) . I think he will settle quickly and make a difference.
AWB looks a quality buy in a position where we have struggled so I’m confident that will look a steal as the season progresses.
James has huge potential, looking forward to seeing how he develops.
Dybala I don’t want. No idea where it came from and we really shouldn’t be entertaining it. Fancy name, not pulled up any trees for a couple of years, really don’t see where he fits in.
Fernandes look quality and would be a good signing and if we are interested then I have no idea why it is taking so long.
We need to ship Pogba out as quickly as possible, assuming anyone has made any sort of sensible offer. I don’t buy the line that he’s really popular. If he isn’t committed to the cause then he needs to leave.
Sanchez also needs to go. I’d even let him go on a free or nominal fee as it would free up at least £15M because of his ridiculous contract.
Lukaku also needs to go and again I’d take the best offer that is on the table. We may lose on the fees but the benefit to team spirit and morale of shipping out players who don’t want to be her is immense. There’s a bunch of other players we need to move on and again we should make it attractive to potential buyers. Darmian and Rojo for starters.
Imagine those 5 gone, 4 new signings (I’m assuming a CM is coming), and a few from the youth promoted. The feel and mood will be lifted and with the extra fitness and energy, with everyone committed and pulling in the same direction, who knows where we will get to.
I fear there is not enough time left to move players on but for me that is just as important on bringing new ones in.
1.) 03 Aug 2019 14:37:38
It would be foolish to let pogba leave so late in the window, no chance we have enough time to obtain a replacement.
Saul would fit the bill, but that would be a complicated deal and there are questions marks over whether he would even want to come.
Are SMS or fernandes as good as pogba? if looked at objectively you would say they were not on his level.
Dybala is probably the clearest route to getting rid of lukaku as inter milan are unable to source the funds to do a deal, so this swap deal is a pretty good compromise to get rid of a player who doesn't fit oles style and bring in a player who does.
25, 5 year contract means we have plenty of scope to get a resale value when he inevitably pines for a move to madrid or Barcelona like pogba. Could be a shrewd bit of business by the club.
2.) 03 Aug 2019 14:49:29
DSG, if you put my reservations aside, Ed002 has said Dybala doesn’t want to come. If he’s having to be convinced then we shouldn’t do it,
3.) 03 Aug 2019 15:15:18
Tony do you honestly expect Dybala to happily want to leave a team with Ronaldo and several stars which is guaranteed at least a major trophy and also UCL football every season and come over to us because we are Manchester United?
That ship has sailed!
No matter how attractive a team is, it still has to make an effort to appeal to a prospective player.
4.) 03 Aug 2019 15:18:42
I honestly think you will be surprised how many player would not want to join us this summer. No champions league is a big loss especially in a window where bayern, real, Barcelona and juve are all making big deals.
Look at sancho, he realised that coming to united this window would be not be ideal for his development when we are undergoing significant changes and his development was much better suited staying at dortmund.
Does that mean we shouldn't go in for him next summer when we will still need to convince him we are the right club with the right stability for him to continue his development?
Dybala is an oppurtune signing granted but if he does join it won't be against his will, quite a few player over the year have needed to be convinced/ persuaded to join clubs.
5.) 03 Aug 2019 15:23:18
I really don't get why people would wants Pogba to stay. Old may say all the right things about Pogba having a great attitude blah blah blah, but the player clearly wants out.
If we keep hold of him against his wishes we will just have the same circus every transfer window. It's unsettling for everyone, including Old, despite what he may say in public.
Pogba is obviously talented and is a match winner on his day. I understand that, but keeping an unhappy player is counter productive.
On the flip side, we shouldn't be forced to sell him on the cheap. But over inflating his price so that he is effectively priced out of a more is daft in my opinion.
Despite the fact that some fans 'hero worship' some players, Pogba is not worthy of that label. Talent is nothing without application, effort and desire and Mr Pogba is severely lacking in the later.
6.) 03 Aug 2019 15:35:43
Until last week his name hadn’t come up, nobody on here had suggested we try and buy him or he would add anything to our team. Now suddenly many are drooling over him and I don’t get it. We should have learned from Di Maria. He doesn’t want to come, allegedly he wants £350K a week, allegedly his agent wants £13M, it’s possibly taken our focus from Fernandes. The only positive I can see is we lose Lukaku, that’s about it.
I don’t really buy the Champions League argument. Actually I do buy it and it hacks me off. There’s only a few teams that will win it, and there seems to be a snobbishness that has materialised with players ‘not wanting to take a step down’. I’m not sure how we’ve allowed it to become so important, for me the domestic title is still the biggest trophy by far.
7.) 03 Aug 2019 15:37:47
Of course he needs convincing AJH. He is not a fan like is. He is at a top club where his life family and friends are and you think a good pitch and lots of reassurances are not required.
You don't seem to be the sort of chap to make knee jerk life changing decisions without due consultation and thought process and advice. Do you think dybala should?
8.) 03 Aug 2019 15:56:18
Is aguero not a good example why is it always di Maria.
Do people think aguero was a life long city fan desperate to move to a team that had won nothing for years?
Or did him and his agent need a bit of convincing and a bucket of cash .
I'm not saying we should or shouldn't sign him but there's a bit of a line in the sand starting with one or 2 players,
9.) 03 Aug 2019 16:02:27
Of course he's reluctant. We're not exactly known for stability are we. He enjoys life in Italy and is reluctant to leave. But Juve are forcing him out.
10.) 03 Aug 2019 16:03:54
Madrid have been making sensible offers for Pogba throughout this window.
UTD think they can get more with very little other clubs being able to afford him.
Only a few clubs or so at the over inflated fee and wages able to afford Pogba which sees UTD keeping a player who wants to leave *evil laugh*.
Barcelona not going to sign Pogba.
11.) 03 Aug 2019 16:09:33
What offers have real made?
12.) 03 Aug 2019 16:24:59
Guys AJH has a point. The problem is not there is a convincing required for Dybala. But why to convince a player who is not seen as much needed who is not willing to move to us who will demand monstrous wage who has stalled for the past year. If it is someone who we have identified as main target it's worth going through the trouble. Imagine we sign him and has not really worked out then we will have another player on 350k wages very difficult to move.
13.) 03 Aug 2019 16:35:27
I said the same to shappy last week jred.
People are saying don't sign him he doesn't want to be here. Yet those same purple are saying keep pogba even though he doesn't want to be here.
If dybala comes and he and the team are successful he will love it at United. Just like aguero has done.
Im not desperate for him to sign if he does it would be potentially a very good and exciting signing.
14.) 03 Aug 2019 17:00:59
My wider point is he hadn't been mentioned by anybody, the fans hadn't suggested him nor were the club pursuing him. Suddenly a swap is on, not exactly thought through is it?
15.) 03 Aug 2019 17:02:49
You could say the same with pogba, if go his and uniteds way he may have a change in heart .
Not sure why everything needs to be set in stone .
I'm far from convince dybala would be a good fit in the epl, who who knows.
16.) 03 Aug 2019 17:11:34
Is it possible for a player to come in, not really wanting to come in at first and then change his mind? If he is the consummate professional, he might also put in some decent performances.
Also, he could just say no right now?
17.) 03 Aug 2019 18:00:01
Ajh
He was mentioned a few month ago, don't know if the reports where true but he was linked a few months back.
But some times a player becomes available and you take a chance, any Cole, king Eric.
Angel
Is it possible that a player wants to leave then circumstances change and he changes his mind, Or do we hold it against him for the rest of his career.
18.) 03 Aug 2019 18:01:09
The club have had interest in dybala for 12 months according to ed002. i'm not convinced but he is a very talented player so if he settles it could work out.
Pogba is here and if he stays and does well he may well have a change of heart i agree but i'm not one for keeping unhappy players it usually doesn't work out. We can on my hope it does if he stays.
19.) 03 Aug 2019 19:33:15
Hi jred, not at all. I think if a player has a change of heart and wants to stay, put in the performances etc, he should most definitely get the chance. I think that's quite fair. But definitely no point keeping a player that is unhappy and wants to move. Does this answer work?
Is there a particular player you are talking about or just anyone in general?
20.) 03 Aug 2019 20:00:04
Angel
To many to mention to be honest once any one makes a mistake or reportedly does you want them out.
Lazy bad attitude said this said that.
21.) 03 Aug 2019 20:17:14
No, I'd like you to mention them. Very happy to give you my reasons behind everyone.
I'm quite sure that when I have shown my dissatisfaction in a player it is usually merited, justified.
I don't call for players to be bought and sold like in a game of FIFA.
I also am very happy to back good, hard working and loyal players when many dont. Again, when I feel its justified.
Feels like you're just having a pop though. It's something you like to do quite often. I hope I haven't upset you at any point. Or will you hold my opinions against me for the rest of my time posting on here? 😊.
22.) 03 Aug 2019 22:15:30
We have appointed Director of football - it's AJH
All sound decisions taken. 🤫.
23.) 04 Aug 2019 09:23:15
Reading the page the last day or two it’s clear we don’t need any insight from Ed002 as maxlfc knows absolutely everything about our club lol.
24.) 04 Aug 2019 20:42:32
Oh man :P
Wrote a post about how the youngsters are doing, and how you feel about them and this turned into Pogba/ Dybala debate.
25.) 05 Aug 2019 07:31:02
To be honest guys I don't care and the reason is we are focusing on players not playing for our club.
When the focus should be #GlazersOut.
24 Mar 2018 10:31:23
There are some that said Jesse wasn’t good enough and I guess there are still some that think he is at best a squad player but you have to give the lad credit. He keeps popping up scoring important goals and he plays with a smile on his face and seems to enjoy every moment. I’m so pleased for him and I hope he can take that final step and be consistent.
1.) 24 Mar 2018 16:25:04
He has always been highly thought off within the club. It was always accepted that he would take longer to find his feet due to his size. I read an interview with him where he said that Sir Alex always said he would become a real player when he's 25 like Tigana. I wonder how much of him really stepping up this season is down to him feeling that this year was going to be his year.
I did worry when we signed Sanchez as it was going to push either Lingard or Martial out of the side when arguably they we our best two forwards at that time. Maybe its time for Sanchez to be dropped for a game or two and make him fight for his place against players who are in form.
2.) 24 Mar 2018 16:40:40
Shaps, I don’t know why we bought Sanchez other than to stop City buying him. We had needs inother areas way before a left sided attacker was needed and even if he starts firing it just relegates Martial or Rashford. This smacks of Woodward and his marque signing obsession. I don’t want to upset you but if Bale is available you can bet your mortgage Ed will be there waving his chequebook.
3.) 24 Mar 2018 16:46:51
The thing with Jesse is you know he will work on the pitch and not hide. He has proven this year that he has more in the locker than people thought imo but he had the beginnings of a good season couple of years back when he got ani injury early on at Swansea I think. Change of personel and management has not deterred him and I think he has saved us a good few bob on bringing in a n other player.
4.) 24 Mar 2018 16:58:44
I was one of those thinking he wasn't going to be up to it and would be sold, at times I feel foolish, but then he can be anonymous far too often for me (like most of our attacking players) .
I still think in order for us to be competing at the very top we need better than Lingard. But if he improves again as much as he has over the past 18 months then he will deserve a regular berth in a top Utd team.
I love his energy and clever runs, maybe there is even more to come from him once we get back to playing proper attacking football and those runs will be picked out by players that currently refuse the pass and opt for 'safety' instead. I certainly would like him to impact games more consistently as well, 10 seconds of brilliance now and again is good, but we need more than that over a 90 minute match from an attacking midfielder.
5.) 24 Mar 2018 17:39:38
I agree Beastand that was my point about consistency. When he is good he is very good but often you can forget he is on the pitch, which is very frustrating when he gets himself in such good positions and scores such important goals. He needs to turn up for more games than he does, which I think he will if he continues to develop as he has done in the last year. And he is home grown which means a lot to me,
6.) 24 Mar 2018 17:52:11
Does he go missing or as mentioned above is it a case of him making good runs and his team mates not playing the creative pass to find him?
The best players score in the big games, which he does more consistently than those around him. H deserves his place in the team, he works hard, he offers movement and he can finish. I think he will thrive if we add more quality to the midfield. He is a bit of a social media whore, but as long as he performs on the pitch it’s not a problem. I wish pogba put half the effort in he does.
7.) 24 Mar 2018 18:33:58
Agree with all of the posts regarding jesse in some degree, better than dele alli in my opinion who plays a similar role especially this season.
8.) 25 Mar 2018 05:21:49
I must be the only one who doesn't yet rate him. He for me is going through his Smalling patch where player looks good for a season or 2 but with lingard it has only been 2 months rather than the whole season.
He was mostly anonymous until December and has been anonymous for most part since February. That is 2 good months in 3-4 years. Yes he scores some important goals from time to time but he going to have to perform much better to be more than a squad player.
9.) 25 Mar 2018 16:58:04
No MU player apart from De Gea has been sensational for long, playing good for some time and then playing poorly.
10.) 26 Mar 2018 14:14:47
CSM, that's not really fair, even if he's only started looking like a real top player this season, he's actually been doing well for the last couple of years. He was hardly "anonymous" before December anyway. 8 goals and assists in 17 games, 11 of which he played 30 minutes or less in, may not be setting the league on fire, but it's certainly not "anonymous".
Re: the consistency, I'm inclined to agree with Huggy. He's suffering from the way the team is playing, and would have a much more consistent impact if the runs he makes were picked out a bit more often by players behind him. Now, I'm not saying he's doing everything right, maybe he'd still be a bit inconsistent with players behind him looking for those runs and playing more positive football, but the point is that we don't really know, and I don't think it's fair to judge him too harshly when we don't really know how much of the inconsistency is down to him, and how much is down to the way the teamas a whole is playing.
I would really love to see Herrera used in a more advanced role, ahead of Matic rather than alongside him, where he can look to play the passes that someone like Lingard can feed on. It's too easy to see his great defensive performances last season and forget that he's a great passer of the ball, with an eye for getting team mates in behind the defence.
11.) 26 Mar 2018 14:23:10
That FA cup winning goal seemed to really kick him on and he’s improved a lot since then.
CSM,
How you can say he’s been anonymous is beyond me, he’s probably scored more important goals than any other player in the last 2 years.
12.) 26 Mar 2018 14:53:27
Gds important goals don't mean consistency. Yes he scored against Chelsea and in fa cup final but can you remember a run of games until December where you could say he was consistently good. A first team player needs to be consistently good and unlike rashford or martial lingard isn't exactly in the youngster category.
Thorne he has been good this season but last season he had 5 goals and 3 assists in 42 games in lvg's last season he had 7 goals and 4 assists in 41 games. Those are not good figures and he needs get similar to his current nos before we can be sure that he has improved rather than going through a purple patch.
Also where exactly will he play next season jose wants savic added to the team and jorginho as replacement for carrick, so we most likely will be switching to a mf 3.
13.) 30 Mar 2018 18:44:50
Good player, nice lad, silly dancer.
17 Feb 2018 08:31:11
Interesting rumour this morning, Real ready to move for Pogba. Could be paper trash talk of course but if they did and the money was big, would you sell? Clearly the boy has talent but he has yet to dominate a game or deliver on his potential. Is that down to him, the Manager, or a combination of both.
If the money was silly should we cash in? The problem with that is that he may go on and become the dominating player we believe is in there somewhere, and replacing him will cost a fortune too. For me, I’d seriously consider it though.
{Ed002's Note - There is zero interest in Paul Pogba from Real Madrid. They have very, very different ideas who they want.}
1.) 17 Feb 2018 11:41:22
There is no way we should be selling Pogba it would be crazy to do so.
Its likr selling the next messi and then trying to go buy a next ronaldo because we are noy patient enough.
2.) 17 Feb 2018 11:59:12
"Cash in" wtf? So some now want to sell Pogba when we have few midfielders for a pretty poor return? You bored with FIFA?
3.) 17 Feb 2018 11:20:17
Yay. Thanks ed for that.
12 Jan 2018 21:19:21
All this talk of Sanchez has masked the rumour that Vardy is also being considered. Not sure if they would sell or at what price but I think he would slot in much easier, albeit he is a like for like with Lukaku. Sanchez’s attitude worries me, the stories from Arsenal about his isolationist approach do not bode well for team spirit. Hey ho, what do I know?
1.) 12 Jan 2018 21:28:45
I hope not. Hateful diving git, Gerrard, suarez, terry, barton, keown, cattermole, Vardy. all the same to me would of hated to see any of them in a red shirt.
2.) 12 Jan 2018 23:05:33
That's one heck of a team those lot would make. Lacks some wide players tho.
3.) 13 Jan 2018 05:53:05
bfbw, there too much hate in your heart, i'd have had Keown and Suarez any day of the week. Go hug a tree man.
4.) 13 Jan 2018 08:10:14
AJH Vardy is a player Maze likes and admired over the years for his tenacity as well as his rags to riches story but to say he is a better option than Sanchez is silly, very silly.
Wake up AJH you are dreaming of poorly fabricated scenarios.
08 Dec 2017 20:28:41
So, first of all, I share my birthday with Jonny Evans so put that your pipe and smoke it. Secondly, I may have had a little wine tonight so forgive me if I am less coherent than Ronnie during a transfer window.
Sunday is a big game and I hope that Jose wakes up and has an epiphany but I fear it will not happen. I believe it is better to die fighting than running away and in football that is also true. Inspire the troops, give them hope and belief, rouse their spirits, fill their hearts with pride and desire. Let’s not turn up to stifle and try and nick a goal on the break. I don’t care if they are the best team, like Pierre the famous French fighter pilot, let’s go down in flames (google it) .
We are United, a team steeped in history and tradition, we live or die by our standard, there are times to stand up and be counted, Sunday is one of those times. We win, or we lose in a blaze of glory, to be a United fan there are no in betweens.
Time for more wine.
1.) 09 Dec 2017 01:43:34
Jesse's performance at Arsenal will have given him food for thought. Maybe we can press high with a few players and cause some chaos amongst their back line. Worry is that Matic and Ander would have to play out of their skins.
The motivational piece is way more important than formation. Win your battles all over the pitch and you'll get a win.
2.) 09 Dec 2017 10:50:17
We’ll park the bus and try to catch them on the counter and via set pieces.
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18 Oct 2020 16:54:22
I’m here watching Spurs crush West Ham and wondering why did we sack Jose? He’s clearly a winner taking Spurs from strength to strength, it’s disgraceful we sacked such a winner. Woodward out, Ole out, Glazers out, Fred the Red out, the tea lady out, everybody out. Get Jose back in, he’ll restore the glory days.
1.) 18 Oct 2020 17:14:46
Give it a rest.
2.) 18 Oct 2020 17:21:19
Fair points there AJH.
3.) 18 Oct 2020 17:31:27
Obviously sarcasm AJH, but perhaps Jose not the outdated dinosaur he has been labelled.
Surprising what can happen when he is allowed to manage.
4.) 18 Oct 2020 17:31:48
😂😂 Made me think about Fred the red and gunnersauras in the dole queue, new full monty.
5.) 18 Oct 2020 17:50:39
He plays poor football and it was never the right fit given he was living in a hotel.
One of my good mates is a Spurs fan and the way he talks about them (albeit not as much recently) just reminds me of how most of us felt when he was our manager.
6.) 18 Oct 2020 17:53:55
Its Jose's fabled second season, of course he is going to win playing attractive football, just like he did in 2017-18 for us. Then next season him and Levy will have a bust up and it will all implode.
Have to say, he does come across well in All or Nothing.
7.) 18 Oct 2020 17:57:28
I think Jose is a different beast when working in London with his family around him. Or maybe he jus hasn't hit his three year meltdown yet.
Di Maria was excellent at Benfica, at Real Madrid and now at PSG, but was absolute garbage at United. Not all players suit our club, nor do all managers. That doesn't mean they are terrible players/ managers just ones that are not suited to our club. Either they don't want to be here, or their style doesn't fit, or maybe they don't settle in well, maybe they don't like the city or they clash with other personalities at the club.
We tried Jose and he didn't work, maybe that was the club, maybe that was the players or maybe Jose just didn't truly want to be at the club and never gave his all or was unable to during his entire time. All ifs buts and maybes.
8.) 18 Oct 2020 18:29:42
Or Moyes perhaps.
{Ed047's Note - that was a beautiful thing to watch! 🤣
9.) 18 Oct 2020 18:37:18
My god I love football.
10.) 18 Oct 2020 18:48:26
Bring back Moyes lol.
What a stunning come back.
11.) 18 Oct 2020 18:52:58
Football, bloody hell.
12.) 18 Oct 2020 18:58:41
It's Spurs, lads 😁.
13.) 18 Oct 2020 19:01:07
They've done it again, they've done a spursy.
14.) 18 Oct 2020 21:24:26
Some posts just don't age well, but this went moldy after about half an hour🤣.
15.) 18 Oct 2020 21:55:36
Spursy 😂😂😂😂
Pure genius from Moyes to engineer that comeback. Jose will be saltier than ever.
16.) 18 Oct 2020 22:07:25
Always said it was a huge mistake sacking Moyes 😂.
17.) 18 Oct 2020 22:21:48
This post is hilarious 🤣.
18.) 18 Oct 2020 22:22:26
Surely everyone knew that the OP was a joke? People seem to be acting as if he was serious.
19.) 18 Oct 2020 23:10:55
Of course it was a joke, a double edged joke could have gone either way. Hence why it was such a poor joke.
20.) 19 Oct 2020 00:35:36
Tony,
Your joke has been judged and I’m afraid it was poor 😂 D+ must try harder.
21.) 19 Oct 2020 05:29:23
Jose = Born draw special-ist 😁😁.
22.) 19 Oct 2020 11:34:31
Think the responses were more to do with the constant whinging about reactions to performances, when in reality, they aren't nearly as bad as when we played poorly under Mourinho.
23.) 19 Oct 2020 09:15:29
AJH.
Are you a downhill racer? 😂😂😂.
06 Oct 2020 21:28:24
Really pleased for Mike. A very good defender but sadly too many errors although he seems well liked in Italy. Despite the messing around with his deal, didn’t hear a peep from him. Always gave his all, a true professional. Best of luck to him.
I’m glad we didn’t sign Sancho, the cost was plainly ridiculous. The problem is we should have reached that conclusion months ago but hey ho, dippy Ed stumbled along as usual. We’re not talking about Mbappe here, we’re talking of someone with potential that may or may not be realised. I wouldn’t go near it at the prices quoted.
We now need to move some players out and stop faffing. Romero, Lingard, Jones, Rojo and then strengthen someone more. CB, DM would work for me to go along with all the exciting youngsters we have been hoovering up.
And finally, given what we have seen I would play Henderson and DVB, drop DDG and Pogba. Cavani gets to start with a aerials ban so that will be interesting and I’d play 3 CBS with Rashford up front alongside Cavani. wing backs, more creativity in the middle, pace and power up front. What could possibly go wrong?
1.) 06 Oct 2020 22:00:29
Good post. I'm curious about the formation. It looks like Telles would be an ideal lwb with his attacking ability, however who would you have at rwb? It can't possibly be wan bissaka? He doesn't have the ability in the final third, maybe not even the engine for a more advanced role - he often looks knackered midway through games.
2.) 06 Oct 2020 22:12:04
Agree with all of that ajh.
3.) 06 Oct 2020 22:51:06
Agree with all of that apart from DeGea.
4.) 06 Oct 2020 23:07:13
Red army if he could stay fit Ethan laird will be a top player. If he can stay fit for a few months I think he could challenge wan bissaka if he gets his chance I fully expect him to take it.
5.) 07 Oct 2020 00:36:05
smalling was to embarresed by the rest.
6.) 07 Oct 2020 00:40:12
romero deserved better than being left 3rd choice. he is as good as both of our first choice.
26 Sep 2020 19:24:24
I didn’t see the game as I was working but by all accounts we payed poorly, not on the heels of the Palace poor performance.
We were the form team post lockdown, could and should have seen Seville off and finished above Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, and Leicester. Yet after 2 poor displays there are meltdowns on here. I’m not saying we don’t need reinforcements or are ready to challenge the top 2 but blimey, you’d think the world was ending.
I listed what I thought we need to do and the issues we have with structure last week, but perhaps we are just not match ready yet? We finished last season very late with the team looking knackered, and we are then pretty much right back at it. Maybe, just maybe we need to see how the next month pans out.
1.) 26 Sep 2020 19:54:01
we need to see what the squad looks like after the deadline and then see where we are and how we are playing. Too reactionary from many- great result today after we more than rode our luck. All top teams win ugly.
2.) 26 Sep 2020 20:33:30
Hasnt everyone had the same rest period?
Im sure we were given an extra week off becuase of how far we got in europe.
The main issue for me is we lack energy and desire to want to win the ball or close down.
Maybe its match fitness but certain players need dropping for others.
3.) 26 Sep 2020 20:40:38
A lot of players do look knackered, Wan Bissaka was dead on his feet towards the end. But why don't City and others look unfit, something wrong with our training methods?
4.) 26 Sep 2020 22:42:19
Inhope city didn’t look tired, yet tailed off massively and wolves could have scored two or three. In fact they should have. City scored late on via a deflection. No teams are at their peak yet.
5.) 26 Sep 2020 22:53:28
Inhope we need special treatment.
We knew beforehand the schedule and planned the way we wanted, now is time to make excuses.
23 Sep 2020 20:57:22
Bellingham, wanted by United, turned us down and went or Dortmund. Haaland, previously managed by Ole, wanted by United, went to a Dortmund.
LVG wanted a host of players, didn’t get them, got 5th and 6th choices.
We have signed players like Fellaini and Fred, decent boys no doubt but should never have been near our club.
How did a club that was sweeping all aside and dominating the EPL fall so spectacularly? ‘There’s no value in the market’ said SAF when his view of value was very different to that of Chelsea’s and Man City’s. Whilst we were playing the pensioners that were Giggs and Scholes in midfield, others were hoovering up European talent. What was going on in SAF’s head? I guess we’ll never know but whatever it was, the decline started with him.
We let SAF and David Gill leave at the same time, we appointed a Manager who was clearly unqualified for the job, and then we let him get rid of all the backroom staff and bring in a bunch of people who had never worked at this level. Stunning.
We blundered from transfer to transfer, appointed a manager pas this best and then didn’t back him in the market. We then appointed a man who had no right to be within 100 miles of our club, gave him a new contract, and then sacked him. Crazy.
In any other industry the people in charge would have been marched out of the building: the incompetence on show in recent years has been staggering.
I see no end to this madness. Woodward is so far out of his depth it’s hard to see how he can ever recover. We are faced with swimming upstream for many years until the fundamental structure changes. Get used to it people, it’s going to be a long slog.
1.) 23 Sep 2020 21:10:55
It's funny, that in hindsight maybe the loss of David Gill was a bigger set back than that of Sir Alex.
Certainly both leaving at the same time created a power void and clearly people unsuited to key roles are in positions they ought not be.
If we don't get the structure right off the field then we won't be able to get things right on the field.
2.) 23 Sep 2020 21:15:35
The most staggering aspect is their blatant disregard or avoidance of the problems. Telling us fans to ‘trust the process’. this has been a trying year for everyone both personally and professionally and for the club to use that as excuse for their failings is staggering. They are saying they want to be sensible financially after it was them who saddled the club with 800mill in debt. If the club wants to protect itself then fine but I’d assume the board won’t see their bonuses or the owners their dividends as WE ALL have to accept the difficult situation we are in.
3.) 23 Sep 2020 21:49:59
I see AJH has finally lost hope.
4.) 23 Sep 2020 21:54:29
completely agree AJH. It is the fundamental question of what is the main reason for the club's existance. For us fans it is to play entertaining football and win every piece of silverware available. For the owners and mgmt. it is maximise profits.
We won 5 premier league titles in the 8 years before Ed and his mates took up the top job. In eight years since we have won 0 and are not likely to win another for at least 2 years. That alone should be reason for changing the mgmt. team.
Our squad today is worse than the squad in 2013 despite over £800m being spent. Our wage bill has doubled over the same 8 years.
If results of the first team and proper running of the club were the priorities of the owners and the board, then there is no chance that the mgmt. team would have kept their job for so long.
Unfortunately as long as the club can pay dividends, it will be seen as a performing financial asset and there is no reason for change.
5.) 23 Sep 2020 21:59:23
Trying to answer this constructively it boils down to some simple issues at the club:
1.) There is no defined style of play, since 2013 we've tried:
a. ) moyes - fergie tribute act
b. ) lvg - playing out from the back, posession dominant
c. ) jose - defend deep, counter attack, attacking players make it up as they wish
d. ) ole - counter attack trying to transition to a more dominant team.
2.) Each different style requires different types of players. Its how you end up with teams that have blind, fellaini, pogba and mata in the same team. All good players but all require certain styles to play at their best.
3.) Because we constantly shift styles we are left with a set of players we need to get rid off from the previous manager. These players are on big long contracts which means they are nye on impossible to ship out unless we subsidise the deals.
To solve this would require some sort of director of football and chief executive combo with a clear idea of how they want the club to play/ operate in the market. For example begiristein and soriano at city or edwards/ fsg at liverpool. They would then pick a manager who wants to play that style of football and operate in the market in the desired fashion (city and liverpool have basically signed players between 22-27 in the 30-60m range for example)
6.) 23 Sep 2020 22:38:39
ryan you are kidding yourself if you think we will mount a title challenge in the next two years. we are in for a long wait.
7.) 23 Sep 2020 22:45:31
Ryans left foot won't win a league for at least another 2 years? Another 22 more like with these simpletons running the club into the ground.
8.) 23 Sep 2020 22:58:11
I think we also need to agree on a style of play for the club moving forward. Buy players that fit that ethos. If we continue to buy players which particular managers prefer it will continue to be a cycle of ups and downs with a lot more downs. The club would actually save money in the market this way also which is why it’s mad that they haven’t even put the structure discussed in place. A DOF is a must and it must be someone who can make changes freely to set the club up for the long term. It’s so disheartening to know as fans that the changes required are in front of all of our faces but the men in charge continue to cock things up.
We’ve hired someone to help manage our PR instead of the actual structure of our club. Says it all.
The recent PR briefings are so obvious and they make it out as if we know nothing about our club. The recent ‘trust the process’ crap is a kick in the teeth. What bloody process!? Be open with us. Be honest. Maybe then there won’t be so much uproar.
I don’t let football get me down much but I think we can all agree it has been more difficult lately. We all follow the club on a daily basis. Live for the next match and build excitement only to be continuously let down. I know there are fans on here who have seen worse days but it feels like the club is losing its heart and soul in more recent times and that is what really gets to me. We all love this club and want the best for it. We’re nowhere near where we need to be right now.
9.) 23 Sep 2020 23:42:21
God forbid you post any positivity RLF, we won’t win anything for 25 years mate you know the drill, we lost to palace and didn’t spend £300m.
Who knows what will happen in 2 years time, football is cyclical, the club have purchased a lot of very good youth products so the future of the club looks pretty strong to me and we will supplement them coming through with new signings. 2 years is a long time in football so I know why you said 2 years, I also knew as soon as I read it that the comments would be shooting you down!
10.) 24 Sep 2020 00:33:33
gds do you think city, liverpool, chelsea and all the other teams in two years time are going to say we had better let united win the league or they will throw there toys out of there pram.
11.) 24 Sep 2020 06:39:07
Despite everything I said, I still think we have a decent team and the reaction to a first game loss was ridiculous. I think we will be competitive and may even win a cup, but the endemic issues will likely hold us back from rising to the levels we are seeing from City and Liverpool.
12.) 24 Sep 2020 06:41:14
AJH
If you look back at my posts since 2013 you have repeated some things I said since the Moyes appointment was a rumour.
The bit about Gill is interesting. He said I believe, debt was the road to ruin and yet that happened on his watch and he continued putting up with it for years.
You need to take one step back and realise the big issue there was no plan from Gill or SAF. There was no definition of anything. The reason LvG should have been brought in was to define a plan, I recall he was the one who wrote down Cruyfs ideals of a Barcelona way. We didn’t.
You ask what was SAF thinking, no one knows but my instinct says he knew it could be destructive to the club if he railed against the owners so did what he could to keep everything going. That wasn’t strong enough for me and said many times our on field problems started with SAF.
The investment bankers enabled the owners to buy so have a special place, we are unlikely to see real improvement until the owners and then the structure underneath changes plus the aims of the club. The coach or manager is changeable, giving relative levels of success depending on their skills. Ownership change is needed.
13.) 24 Sep 2020 08:11:58
I still so like the majority of our first team now much more than I used to but behind the scenes we are a farce. Our dealings in the transfer market and the way we do business is a disgrace.
Football, like any industry, is a small one and everyone knows everyone. You soon build a reputation, good or bad. Imagine the reaction when Utd call you about a player. The reaction will be here we go again - hard to deal with, no idea how to negotiate, and the only reason they’re tolerated is because they have vast amounts of cash to blow.
14.) 24 Sep 2020 09:12:38
I don't see a solution Red Man, if we are sold then it will likely be to unsavoury owners. It's tragic that such a successful club steeped in history cann be managed so incompetently.
However, having football men handling the football business might be good start.
15.) 24 Sep 2020 09:19:37
There's only a couple of weeks left in the window and the lack of signings is nothing short of a disgrace, the club is being run like a Sunday league team, it's time the Glazers put up or shut up, I'm absolutely sick of their dithering.
23 Sep 2020 20:12:15
It’s pretty mad on here at the moment, sadly there is a mood that is prevailing and if you don’t agree with the group view then it appear you are clearly insane or deluded. Hey ho.
I’ve been posting less lately as it feel like hard work but for what it’s worth here’s what I think we should do right now (I have no confidence any of this will happen) .
1. Make Henderson number 1, sell DDG to anyone who will take him. DDG has been erratic for a while and his time has passed. Harsh possibly but Henderson is ready and DDG is the highest paid player. Get whatever fee we can, lose the salary, have a more commanding GK. What’s not to like?
2. Sell Pogba to anyone who will take him for whatever fee we can (see above) . Donny is the creative replacement and will contribute more and be injured less. No brainier.
3. Sign a LB and a CB urgently. Step Lindelof down, take whatever money we can get for Smalling, Jones, and Rojo. Stop fannying about, lose the wages, secure some funds, whatever they are. With a new LB, CB, and Hendo, we will have much more confident back four.
4. Find a right winger that isn’t Sancho. The fee being talked about is obscene, tell Dortmund to f£&* off, find an alternative, crack on, get them signed and move on.
5. Find a DM who can replace Matic, whether it be Rice or ANO, just get it done.
6. Sell Lingard, even if it’s for a bag of minstrels and 2 balloons.
That’s the players sorted, sadly even that level of decisiveness will be a short term fix as there are endemic problems with the structure in the club it we can only hope.
1.) 23 Sep 2020 20:17:32
Agree ajh.
2.) 23 Sep 2020 20:25:50
Bang on AJH but you forgot Perreira and Fred.
3.) 23 Sep 2020 21:05:57
Struggle to disagree with any of them points Tony, pogba going is integral to us moving forward and unfortunately it seems like he’s going nowhere.
4.) 23 Sep 2020 21:09:14
You don’t fancy Ed’s job do you? 🤣.
5.) 23 Sep 2020 21:10:38
AJH i'd imagine those in charge of our recruitment would struggle on football manager or Fifa.
6.) 23 Sep 2020 21:18:32
Gds2 is seeing the light.
Or is it welcome to the darkside🤔🤔.
7.) 23 Sep 2020 21:27:21
Not a lot to disagree with there Tony. Just keep smiling, resist the power of the dark side.
As my mum always says, don't get angry or upset over things you can't control. To do so is to place your happiness and wellbeing in the hands of others.
8.) 23 Sep 2020 22:05:57
I posted something similar last night but for some reason it didn't show on the site. I actually think to challenge for the title, we need to sell 13 to 15 of our players and bring 10 in. A new LB, CB and RW would make us more competitive for sure (meaning we remain on par with the likes of Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal. ), but it would not be enough to be up there with City and Liverpool short of a tactical or circumstantial miracle.
9.) 23 Sep 2020 23:38:17
Leahy,
The OP is well structured with reasoned points that I agree with, not just overreactions and moaning for the sake of it.
I agree with him also that the site is hard work, I make that post and I’m told I’m going to the dark side, I don’t think I’ve posted one positive thing really since the palace game, it was dreadful and we are desperate for new signings, I just sometimes disagree with the overreactions sometimes on here that’s all.
10.) 24 Sep 2020 06:40:15
Spot on GDS, it’s stating to feel like a religious cult on here sometimes. I’m happy to debate with anyone but too often it is just emotional moaning.
11.) 24 Sep 2020 07:53:41
Absolutely bang on Tony, couldn't agree more with that and your post above.
12.) 24 Sep 2020 11:07:05
Good post above tony.
13.) 24 Sep 2020 11:18:36
Top post AJH.
14.) 24 Sep 2020 12:24:00
Good post Tony. Free from all emotion was it? Imagine a world without emotion and emotional responses. I can think of 1 or 2 that would want to live in such a world but not many more than that.
04 Oct 2020 11:25:49
If he can stay for, its an astute signing. Classy, winner, worker, professiona, he could have an impact.
03 Oct 2020 19:26:33
We need maturity and we need winners, people with the right mentality. He may be past his best but he ticks those boxes and he’s still class.
04 Sep 2020 08:39:15
We need a right winger, why are we even discussing Bale?
03 Sep 2020 18:28:22
It works with 3 CBs, which will:also allow us to play Bruno, Pogba, and DVDB together.
16 Nov 2019 11:13:10
I’m not arrogant Danny. Whatever our current travails, we pay well, we remain one of the biggest names, we will still attract players. There have always been players who didn’t want to play for us, I’m just getting bored of the ‘step down’ jibe.
28 Oct 2020 22:04:20
Not Rashford Shan? 😃 I agree on Fred, he was immense.
28 Oct 2020 22:03:36
Just need to take this mood and form into the league Ken. I don't think we should fear anyone.
27 Oct 2020 20:27:35
Spot on GDS, this obsession with finding anything to bash Ole with is tiresome.
21 Oct 2020 20:00:11
We payed well and I was delighted but I’m. It sure it was the master class being portrayed. They are a good team, they had chances, DDG made great saves. We matched them and took our chances, we looked good buts let not analyse it to death.
21 Oct 2020 19:59:05
Fred is a road sweeper. Unfussy, does all the dirty work, in some games he is exactly what is needed. Endless energy, team player, love his approach. Unfortunately, he isn’t the most skilful but if he accepts that and concentrates on the dirty work he is very valuable.