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28 Oct 2024 14:55:33
British media are all over the Ruben Amorim links. On the face of it I thought it doesn't really make sense as he plays 1-3-4-3 and we have had multiple windows setting up for a 1-4-2-3-1. However, with Yoro, De Ligt and Martinez we could potentially move to a back 3 with Mazraoui/ Dalot playing the RDM role and Shaw/ Malacia playing the LDM role. Mainoo and Ugarte would be perfect for the two CM roles. Højlund can play the focal role in the Amorim system.
The only question for me is if our wingers and Bruno suit the wide forward roles in his system BUT its unlikely they can do any worse than their current output.
Statistically his Sporting team have scored 2.65 goals for every goal conceded. His sporting team average 2.18 goals per game. He turned Sporting into contenders, two leagues and two cups in 4 years is a great turnaround.
1.) 28 Oct 2024 15:09:00
First time I've ever seen someone put the goalkeeper in a formation.
2.) 28 Oct 2024 15:27:16
Whoever becomes the new manager, they will implement their own tactics and formation. Some players may find themselves out of favour or not suited to the new managers style. They will either need to adapt or be sold.
A young progressive manager is one option. However I find myself worried at the prospect of another manager being thrown under the bus by the players again.
Ultimately the club needs to move players like Rashford on, who seemingly play on their own terms.
Anyone else feeling like they are repeating previous posts from a few years ago ;)
3.) 28 Oct 2024 15:30:10
Luke Shaw and Malacia have now both been out injured longer than it took Christian Eriksen to recover from cardiac arrest. Whoever the new manager needs to address getting in a fit left back before thinking about formations.
4.) 28 Oct 2024 15:38:16
From what I’ve read it seems City are lining up Amorim to replace pep whenever he goes. No idea if that’s true or conjecture based on City taking the sporting director from Sporting in the same way they did with the director from Barcelona before appointing Pep.
I don’t know much about Amorim or how sporting play. Seen a few games in Europe and they looked ok. But so did Ajax under ETH, so who knows.
Not much choice out there for anybody with high level premier league experience. So may have to gamble on a foreign manager with some good experience. Needs to be somebody that can coach and motivate the players and will pick players based on performance and how they fit the system, not on how much they are paid.
I just hope they don’t go for Southgate. That would be a disaster.
I honestly have no idea who I would pick.
{Ed002's Note - Manchester City would like Guardiola to extend and have a preferred choice to Amorim - but he is certainly seen as an option for them.}
5.) 28 Oct 2024 15:41:54
I'm a fan of Amorim and think he'd be potentially a great option. The Ed's don't think he's a likely option and given the huge cost of releasing him and his coaches from their contracts it doesn't seem like we'll be seeing him in the Old Trafford dugout anytime soon unless it's managing the visiting side.
I actually like the idea of moving to a back three. I know not many sides do it, but maybe it's time to take the lead rather than trying to copy what everyone else is doing.
Having looked at our squad I think a back 3 system actually fits our current squad as much as a back four system would.
For a start it might actually suit the LB issue, as we could either try Antony there as a LWB. Or if not then the reduced defensive pressure on the LWB role might give someone like Amass a chance to play some minutes with less responsibilities than he'd have in a back four.
Players like Maguire and Lindelof if needed are probably better suited to a back three with more cover.
Having a two man midfield suits the limited number of options we have for central midfield. Although the high level of work rate might not suit the aging legs of Casemiro and Eriksen. Ugarte, Mainoo, Collyer and Mount would all be more than capable in those roles.
The width coming from wingbacks actually free up players like Rashford, Garnacho, and Amad to play in the half spaces rather than starting wider. That should suit them.
Højlund could play as a more traditional front man, or Zirkzee as more of a false 9 pulling a CB out of place for the likes of Rashford and Garnacho to run into.
The only player it doesn't really suit is Bruno. That said I think he could do a role as one of the wide forwards in that system very well. Maybe Rashford or Garnacho on the left looking to get into a shooting position. With Amad or Bruno on the right looking to be chief creator in the front line.
That said even if it didn't suit Bruno that is no reason not to play that way. We can't be allowing the needs of a 30 year old player dictate our tactics.
None of the players over the age of 28 will likely be a part of the next United team to win the title. Simply by the time we are ready to seriously challenge they will be in decline and need replacing anyway.
The older players should be the ones having to adapt their game to fit into a new style that suits the majority of the players and not vice versa.
Players like Evans, Maguire, Shaw, Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno should be trying to fit into the side, rather than building the side around them.
It'll be interesting to see who gets the job and what tactics they look to implement. As you'd think that the next permanent manager should be someone who represents what the new management structure and owners at the club really want to do.
6.) 28 Oct 2024 16:29:40
Mad Hatter - I agree about the players throwing managers under a bus comment. I think a number of players leaving in the summer will help with that situation.
Shappy - Agreed, moving to a back three helps with the midfield/ fullback issues. Evans, Maguire and Lindelof are out of contract in the summer though so that's 3 CBs down plus Eriksen leaving leaves us short on numbers. Replacing those 4 won't be cheap unless we can promote from the academy. We probably need a LB, we tried to buy Olise, which would suggest there is a feeling we need a RW too.
Ashworth/ Wilcox are really going to need to earn their cash with sales to get us out this mess.
7.) 28 Oct 2024 16:56:18
Lot of folk pinning a lot of hope on Yoro - looks like a raw skinny kid to me who could be an utter shambles in PL -who knows.
Outside bet for manager . Eddie Howe . lot of tension atm at Newcastle a move away might suit all parties.
8.) 28 Oct 2024 16:57:09
If the club does move for Amorin, I'd imagine it will be next summer that he will arrive.
Surely the club would want the compensation paid out to SL to go into next year's PSR and not this year's?
9.) 28 Oct 2024 18:26:56
Plenty of players have been far from their best but the biggest issue has been midfield. We literally haven’t had one for nearly two years. Yes being addressed now but mindboggling it’s took this long, he’s not been short of money just shyte at spending it.
10.) 28 Oct 2024 19:07:28
Burren,
He’s certainly a kid and a bloody good one at that, not sure why you’d try and write him off before he’s even played.
11.) 28 Oct 2024 19:51:29
Looks like he’ll be here sooner than everyone thought and the board are willing to pay £8.3m release clause.
12.) 28 Oct 2024 20:58:14
Personally, I think the 3-4-3 would work for United because (from the players we already have and can see coming up) .
1. None of our CBs are particularly quick so the extra body in the middle would probably be helpful.
For instance, a 3 of - De Ligt in the middle providing a solid link between defence and midfield, with Yoro and Licha offering support for the wingbacks. For now Maguire, Lindelof and Evans would respectively be able deputies.
2. Both Dalot and Mazraoui are better on either side as wingbacks than disciplined fullbacks. Shaw lacks the athleticism for wingback and Malacia's never had the good fortune to properly stake a claim.
All 3 of Ogunneye, Amass and Murray are attack-minded players. Additionally, I actually think Antony could be molded into a proper player at LWB, he just needs to pull his head out. Let's stick with Mazraoui on the left and Dalot on the right.
3. Our first-choice midfield pairing of Ugarte and Mainoo would have the additional support of 3 players (De Ligt, Mazraoui and Dalot) to try pressing and swarming the opposition.
4. The wide forwards would need to be Bruno with either Amad or Mount (if he's ever fit) because, as much as Rashford and Garnacho are scary players, they add very little to any phase that requires discipline and control.
The striker should still be Hojlund, but a better team would fit his game better. I'd love to lean towards Zirkzee because his skillset is awesome, but he's more lazy than Rashford.
Now, before anyone pops a vein over my suggested omission of both Rashford and Garnacho, they are each currently just quick and aggressive players with little game IQ - that doesn't fit with a team with so little pace elsewhere.
Both can still improve though.
So for me, 3-4-3 works, but only if the team is equally reflective of it's set up and identity in both defence and attack - that was the main problem before Erik arrived and little has changed.
13.) 29 Oct 2024 06:27:05
Bruno always goes missing when he plays out on the wing.
14.) 29 Oct 2024 06:45:27
People seem to miss that we have a high potential Young athletic left wing back who may benefit from this change of formation, Harry Amass.
15.) 29 Oct 2024 10:28:04
"For a start it might actually suit the LB issue, as we could either try Antony there as a LWB. Or if not then the reduced defensive pressure on the LWB role might give someone like Amass a chance to play some minutes with less responsibilities than he'd have in a back four. "
I haven't missed that at all Red Man ?.
16.) 29 Oct 2024 10:44:56
ED002,
Is Luis Enrique City's preferred option?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - No.}
17.) 29 Oct 2024 11:23:27
Cheers ED002.
18.) 31 Oct 2024 16:59:07
Bit wary of how often Amass is mentioned as a viable option like the second coming, he is 17 years old, years off being a first choice.
05 Jul 2024 19:07:50
Hey Ed’s,
Few reports today, specifically coming out of the Saudi national press about Bruno. There were previous reports of his agent talking to numerous European teams and the Saudis about a possible move. I have no idea how this all works but would the player instruct his agent to explore options?
Also is Bruno a target for the Saudi league as far as you know?
{Ed002's Note - Bruno Fernandes (AM) ME still beckons after an offer from Al Hilal was rejected by the player. Al-Nassr are willing to pay a premium fee to Manchester Unted and provide the player with significant compensation. A wildcard may be Bayern Munich who his agent approached - but they would not be interested if any significant fee was demanded. May well depart in the summer when there will be many changes or perhaps wait one more year. The club will not want him to leave, so they may need to offer a new contract.}
1.) 06 Jul 2024 11:52:15
Than you.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcom.}
2.) 06 Jul 2024 12:57:05
Still our best player in my opinion and gives his all every match.
3.) 06 Jul 2024 13:21:12
Disaster to sell him.
A) he is our best player by a country mile
B) Genuinely one of the only world class players we have
C) who in god's green earth could you replace him with
Untouchable for me.
4.) 06 Jul 2024 18:03:09
Angelred and Eric - what if he wants to leave?
5.) 06 Jul 2024 19:14:54
I'd sell him if we recieved a stupid offer.
6.) 06 Jul 2024 19:18:22
If he wants to leave that's okay. Never good to keep a player if he doesn't want to stay. I'm specifically talking about the club selling him of their own accord.
7.) 06 Jul 2024 20:23:38
They can't sell him if he doesn't want to leave angel. If he doesn't want to leave its irrelevant what the club want. He won't leave if he doesn't want to.
8.) 06 Jul 2024 22:46:42
Big loss if he goes but
1. The fee could accelerate our rebuild
2. We can be over-reliant on Bruno at times and need to move away from being dependent on him to having multiple attacking threats and strategies
3. He won’t stay forever: the longer he stays, the less fee we’ll get. Thus cash in now to get top dollar for him: it’s what Man City or Chelsea would do.
9.) 07 Jul 2024 09:17:09
Can't see Bruno going to Saudi and never struck me as a guy who is going to chase money that desperately and still a top player. Reality is guys like ronaldo and the rest of who have gone there are way past their best and had a choice to stay at significant reductions to what they earn and second tier clubs or take a massive pay off in exchange for many lifestyle aspects. Time will tell and comes down to the character of each individual.
10.) 07 Jul 2024 18:16:19
It is the players job and like most people if someone offered you a lot more money for a lot less work it would pique an interest.
This obviously doesn't apply to fans who have this false sense that a player should have loyalty over maximizing their earning poenltential and pundits who will tell you that modern footballers are all soft, disloyal money grabbers who are selling out, selling their soul, destroying their legacy, are generally just worse human beings than they are.
I can't really criticize any man who makes a decision that better secureaa the long term future and prospects of his family by maximizing his earning potential which for most currently would appear to be playing in Saudi.
03 Jul 2024 15:27:53
Hey Eds, We have been linked with a transfer for xavi simons in numerous press outlets. Have the club made any moves to do this transfer?
{Ed002's Note - No, they are teasing you.
Xavi Simons (CM/AM) PSG will talk to the player and assure him of game time and tell him he is not for sale. Barcelona would like him back but would need to persuade PSG to take players in exchange or accept an initial loan - that is not going to happen. Manchester City see him as another potential de Bruyne replacement. Bayern Munich has agreed personal terms with Simons' representatives but the club are a light year away in terms of valuation and will need to talk to PSG with the possibility of a player being used as part of a deal. A wildcard could be Chelsea if PSG press for Colwill. RBL would like a loan.}
1.) 04 Jul 2024 10:17:41
Thanks Ed, very much appreciated.
2.) 04 Jul 2024 20:58:40
Is he actually any good?
3.) 05 Jul 2024 05:14:24
He is hot and cold like most young wingers. watched him Torture arsenal in a European game this past year group stages or maybe last year. I prefer Nico Williams all day if we are going to chase a top young talent.
4.) 06 Jul 2024 09:11:28
Xavi Simons is no where near top level but has a Pogba sized Ego. He has had this from a young age with people pampering to him. My lad came up against him in a tournament when he was at Barcelona and absolutely rattled him in a fair tackle and he had to be stretched off. The way people were acting over him it was as if he’d finished Messi’s career. It was pathetic. My lad has the footage on his phone and we have a little giggle now and then. Unfortunately my lad had injuries and got long covid and isn’t playing anymore but he went into coaching and was one of the youngest to ever get the eufa B coaching badges.
19 Jun 2024 20:36:59
I see various media outlets are linking us to a £25m bid for Fermin Lopez. “Barcelona are said to have swiftly rejected the offer and stated that any further discussions would require an 'irrefutable' bid” sounds like there may be a deal to be done there.
I don’t know what’s going on with our transfers but I like the young exciting players we are being linked to.
1.) 19 Jun 2024 23:25:00
Apparently Lopez dismissed the opportunity also. According to some outlets.
2.) 20 Jun 2024 02:39:37
It’s barce feeding a friendly outlet a story to make them look good. It happens all the time in Spain.
3.) 20 Jun 2024 10:41:21
Being linked to these players is one thing, signing them is another.
There is absolutely zero chance that Lopez comes to United, it will never happen.
4.) 20 Jun 2024 15:19:25
We'll be linked with over 100 players SIM I agree. Shappy will link us with another 200
Do yourselves a favour and stop looking.
5.) 20 Jun 2024 15:40:09
On the Barcelona Page Ed002 mentions that he's available for €12M.
Anyone know what kind of player he is or is he any good? I've never watched him play tbh.
6.) 20 Jun 2024 19:18:22
Id go get Frenkie de Jong, andre Balde and maybe Araujo if we can't others in!
Frenkie is a must for me along with Joao Neves.
7.) 20 Jun 2024 20:25:57
There’s £300m off the bat Singh.
8.) 21 Jun 2024 06:52:01
Ronnie would be having a field day with all these links to young players.
19 Jan 2020 14:44:07
I see we’ve been linked to Luis Campos in the media this weekend. This would be a great move in my opinion, someone to give clear direction and strategy to the football side of things.
1.) 19 Jan 2020 14:54:24
Its Utds PR in over drive. Whenever a big game comes up or a loss these stories are leaked. Don't be fooled by it its nonsense. It doesn't take 18 months to appoint a DOF like Campos.
2.) 19 Jan 2020 17:20:57
Or maybe it does.
3.) 19 Jan 2020 18:37:05
Didnt Campos say in an interview in November 2019 that he was keen to link up with Jose at Spurs as he considers him his brother.
He was also critical of the United hierarchy and its lack of support of Jose while he was our manager, doesn't sound like someone who was looking to join us.
4.) 19 Jan 2020 21:05:08
Grim he did also say United would be an attractive prospect to work on. I see him at Spurs too though.
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24 Nov 2024 22:18:59
Sent last post without finishing it.
I’m really excited about the manager.
The players gave the same performance as always, I’m kind of glad in a way, best for Amorim to get let down early so he can see what he needs.
1.) 25 Nov 2024 09:40:29
I'm the same as you Rewz, really looking forward to the match but also a little disappointed with our performance.
Just hope our next 2 games, both at home, are enough for the manager to start to get some cohesion going with the tactics and also getting something of a tune from the under achieving alleged superstars, before we go to Arsenal.
Although must give a shout-out to Onana, who in my humble opinion is having a really good season.
24 Nov 2024 22:16:48
I was really pumped for todays match, there has been so much anticipation in the fan base. The talk around the formation, who will play where etc. from a tactical stand point, having watched a number of sporting games over the last few years, it was clear to see what was being asked of the players, which for me is a great sign. I’m really.
19 Jun 2024 12:29:41
I see we have been linked to Xavi Simons. Purely putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5. Bruno has been repeatedly linked with a Saudi move. Could we see Bruno to Saudi and Simons to United with a net cash gain?
1.) 19 Jun 2024 13:28:36
That isn't a bad shout out there Rewz.
However I think it this unlikely. Xavi Simmons will have far better options than Utd. I'm not even sure if he is an actual target for Utd.
I think Neves from Benfica is more likely to be playing at OT at the upcoming season.
In football, anything can happen.
2.) 19 Jun 2024 13:42:11
Not sure there’d be a net cash gain from it.
3.) 19 Jun 2024 14:27:00
Purely off the numbers reported in the press (So pinch of salt time) Xavi Simons, PSG apparently want £50m and Bruno is speculated to be valued at around £100m by the Saudi clubs so based on absolutely no concrete information and merely paper talk a £50m net gain.
If we could do anywhere near those numbers we'd be replacing a player that is 30 in September with a 21 year old that is statistically similar to Bruno with improving year on year stats but is almost 10 years his junior.
If by some miracle the press reports were correct on valuations etc, it would be good business. £50m gets you half a Joao Neves.
4.) 19 Jun 2024 14:44:13
Watching Fernandes last night, I have no idea why anyone would want to move him on. I know he's not some people's cuppa tea but I think the fella is quality and if we are to make any sort of challenge and cup runs next season he will be pivotal for the team.
5.) 19 Jun 2024 14:47:17
Add that to the reported £80m Al Nassr Casemiro fee (got to love a bit of media speculation) and we replace Bruno and Casemiro with Xavi Simons and Joao Neves and still have £30m left over. Or half an Olise (Hahahaha)
6.) 19 Jun 2024 16:49:01
That could be good Rewz, but which half of Olise do we get?
7.) 19 Jun 2024 17:30:53
The right half.
8.) 19 Jun 2024 17:41:29
That would still probably be better than Antony!
9.) 19 Jun 2024 20:35:32
Simmons and Bruno are not the same type of players. Additionally whatever you think of his moaning Bruno is a leader and experienced and we lack that type of player so to get rid and bring in a young inexperienced player makes no sense.
10.) 19 Jun 2024 21:50:33
Selling at the right time for the right price is part of a great recruitment strategy.
11.) 20 Jun 2024 00:36:31
If you believe any clubs going to pay £80m for Casemiro I’ve got some magic beans to sell you ?.
12.) 20 Jun 2024 09:25:30
Bruno and Simmons are nothing alike in playing style.
How much of Simmons have you seen?
13.) 20 Jun 2024 19:41:58
Approximately 3.14159265359 hours per lunar cycle.
14.) 20 Jun 2024 19:42:32
rews
simmons is a kid bruno is another class imo. Playing bruno deep is martinez being inept and another manager who is lucky to be managing a team like portugal which has so much talent.
02 Mar 2022 10:51:04
I really don’t think Pochettino is the right manager for us. All of the Spurs fans I know believe he has no plan B and makes really poor decisions with subs and tactics in key games. Also given that he’s essentially playing FIFA with that PSG team he hasn’t exactly done anything special, I mean he lost the league to Lille. I just don’t get the hype for a manager who’s won hardly anything.
I personally like Rúben Amorim, the guy had caused a seismic shift in Portuguese football. However if RR feels the EtH is the coach that best fits with his vision then the club should go that route.
1.) 02 Mar 2022 11:59:06
Has been spurs most successful manager for 20 years got then to 1st cl final ever.
I wouldn't mind spurs fans they are always moaning. Bit like our own.
Your spurs friends are no doubt all highly qualified and are speaking from a position of great expertise. Having managed professional sorts teams.
RR is an interim manager who will provide consultancy.
Why do you think eth is is preferred choice? What makes you think that? The sun? The mirror the click bait?
The fact is you have no idea who RR's preference would be.
If his preference and recomendation is poch, do you then want RR ignored because of what your mates from Spurs told you? Do the club stop listening to RR if he thinks poch is a good option?
You have no idea absolutely none of whom RR wants only rumour and conjecture to go on.
2.) 02 Mar 2022 12:39:48
Let’s be honest, nobody is that successful at Spurs. Being Spursy and failure is part of her job description.
I think any Tottenham fan who wouldn’t want Poch back in a heartbeat is totally deluded.
I’m becoming more and more convinced Ralf will stay on another year.
3.) 02 Mar 2022 13:18:26
Eric, depending on how the next month goes I expect it will be sign Pochettino or stick with Ralf for another season then look at someone like Ruben Amorim or even Potter once the team has been sorted out a little and hopefully a better structure is in place to support the manager.
4.) 02 Mar 2022 13:59:51
Potter is not now and it's highly unlikely he ever will be under consideration.
5.) 02 Mar 2022 14:28:05
Probably not Ken. I just mean it will be possibly a younger up and coming manager in 18 months time.
If we don't sign Pochettino this summer for whatever reason.
Then EtH apparently isn't currently under consideration. But he'll have plenty of other options.
What top managers might be available in 18 months time that would suit the club?
I think if they don't get Pochettino they will stick with Ralf (as long as he doesn't tank in March) then look to get a young up and coming manager like Ruben Amorim. Maybe at that time if Potter has continued to do well with Brighton he might be considered. But it's more that type of manager I mean than those specific names.
6.) 02 Mar 2022 16:16:54
I get you shappy but poch will be appointed I'd guess.
7.) 02 Mar 2022 17:03:11
Ken, the only reason it won't be Pochettino is if he gets a job offer from elsewhere that he would rather take such as the Real Madrid job if it becomes available.
On one hand if Real Madrid can win the second leg and go through then maybe PSG will make a move to sack him and Real Madrid might be more inclined to stick with Ancelotti.
However, on the other hand it would just be something for all the fans who don't want Pochettino to use as a reason for not wanting him. Especially if he doesn't see out the season with PSG and win the league with them.
Yet if it's going to be Pochettino as our next manager regardless there is definitely a benefit to be had in being able to get him on board sooner and start the planning for next season with his input.
8.) 02 Mar 2022 19:20:03
Viva. People run with the hares then chase with the hounds. Contradicting themselves with a load of emotional claptrap.
It's an emotional game for sure but so much expertise on here from plumbers to bankers and students that have never kicked a ball coached or been involved in a professional outfit. There is a reason they are not football players or managers It's because they are not qualified and don't have a clue what they are talking about.
I see folk talking about ownership and finances jumping to frankly ludicrous assumptions and quoting the sun or the daily mirror they have no idea what they are talking about and mostly coming from a position of complete ignorance. No wonder ed002 won't get into finances.
9.) 02 Mar 2022 19:32:14
Jeez the Potter nonsense is back. I assume as he’s a young and upcoming English manager. He’s doing ok at a club with no expectations, and I susoect he might even follow Southgate when that time comes. But I hope the only time he is at OT is as a visiting rival manager.
10.) 02 Mar 2022 21:43:15
Potter is very good coach, one I fully expect will be a top one for years to come. For me he has England coach written all over him, in fact, he would be perfect for them right now.
But he needs to take the next step, to show he can compete, possibly win a trophy before he will be considered for a top job. I'm sure he will do it though.
11.) 02 Mar 2022 22:00:40
To be fair Angel, Southgate won sweet FA but was only a penalty away from winning the Euros.
12.) 02 Mar 2022 22:35:11
Southgate is stealing a living with england, a half decent manager would have won the euros with england.
13.) 03 Mar 2022 07:15:16
Rewz, I totally agree. I think Poch is a good manager but not a very good manager. His record is OK at best. He got a very good Spurs side to the final of CL and that was the highlight of his career and he lost the match easily. His methods are tried but have not been successful. Also, worryingly, he has not handled the big egos at PSG very well, and United have plenty of them.
His style of football does not fit RR philosophy and does not win trophies.
Agreed on Amorim, Sporting have no financial clout, yet he's got them playing excellent football. They were demolished by a City side that were very good on the night though.
Ten Hag will be my choice, he plays the high press, he has got Ajax to be competitive in Europe on a shoestring budget, and he's a winner.
I sincerely hope we don't opt for Poch. And if we go for Southgate, then God help us.
14.) 03 Mar 2022 07:41:31
Nonsense bolger. England have never won the euros and gone in with better squads than Southgate has he has been England's 2nd best manager ever. He is doing a great job and should be kept there.
Great man manager a good man good morals and ethics and to say the 2nd best ever is staying a living because you don't like him shows exactly that your bias makes your opinion redundant when talking about him.
Stealing a living??? 2nd best ever.
15.) 03 Mar 2022 09:06:18
If Southgate had been braver the Euros final was there to be won, let's face it as England manager and with the squad he has, qualifying for the tournament is a doddle, especially with the soft groups England always seem to get .
Once at the finals, it's six games to the final, bit of luck in the draw and you might not play one of the really big guns until the semis or final. Now compare that to winning a league title over 38 games against the likes of City and Liverpool .
As for the morals and ethics bit, we're back in Ole territory . Nice guy but not ruthless enough for a very top job.
16.) 03 Mar 2022 09:07:19
Southgate is the right man for England and should be applauded for what he has done with England. I do think he made mistakes at the Euros and we could/ should have won it but a World Cup Semi Final and a Euro Final is good going considering, we aren't as good as some might like to think we are. I just don't think he is a club manager.
17.) 03 Mar 2022 10:52:55
I don't think Southgate is the right fit or good enough to manage at the top end of the EPL.
Yet to dismiss his achievements with England seems a little petty.
He didn't have Ferdinand, Terry and Cole as the core of his back line.
He had Stones, Maguire and Chilwell.
He didn't have Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes as his key midfield options.
He had Phillips, Rice and Henderson.
Let's not pretend this is a top class England side crammed full of world class talents.
There are perhaps 6 or 7 international teams in the world that on paper have a far more talented pool of players.
We have repeatedly struggled to keep a defence that contains Maguire in the top four of the EPL, while Southgate has managed to take a team with Maguire to the World cup Semi-finals and the Euro's final.
He hasn't got great players at his disposal, but he makes the team greater than the sum of its parts. He gets the players motivated and gets them believing they can succeed. Two things most England managers have struggled with.
Obviously there is a massive disparity between the standard at international level and the EPL. And I don't think Southgates tactics would stand up to scrutiny at a higher and more technically challenging level that is the EPL.
Which is fine, he's doing well at the level he's at. Leave him there and focus on bringing in a manager who can work at the level we need, who fits the club's criteria.
18.) 03 Mar 2022 13:34:30
Exactly shappy.
Doing a better job than anyone before him with England in any of our lifetimes.
Bolger if you are half as good at your job as Southgate is pricing to be at his in sure your paymasters will be well pleased.
19.) 03 Mar 2022 14:59:43
you are right ken other managers have gone in with better squads but they have faced teams with much better squads also
i don't hate southgate i think he's done a good job with england considering how poor of a manager he is
but let's be honest we had an easy draw in the euros, teams you would expect England to beat
we had scotland croatia and the czech in the group
ukraine
gemrany
czech
italy
played 5 of the 6 games at home with the home crowd advantage this was the best chance of us winning somthing since 66 and we failed, southgates choice of subs and pen takers cost us and his negative tatics after we scored.
as bilko said above he reminds me of ole, to negative all nicey nice, its all good and well smashing the likes of san marino but he has failed in 2 consecutive competitions 3 if you count that other pointless one they introduced.
but for people to suggest him as united manager, please give me a break. he has found his level playing the likes of andorra and san marino
shappy comparing squads is pointless, that's like saying has france got zidane petit and viera b ut i agree with the bottom part of what you said.
we are all entitled to our opinions and mine stands at southgate is stealing a living and he should not be anywhere near being a choice for united
my paymasters are well pleased ken thanks for asking.
20.) 03 Mar 2022 15:51:54
Bolger, my point was more that we have had much more gifted players in the past but performanced much worse.
The question you should be asking is how many of England's starting 11 would make it into the starting 11 of teams such as France, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Brazil, Argentina or Italy.
I don't think we get more than 3 players into everyone of those sides. I think some sides we'd struggle to get one England player into an opposition national team.
So if there are 8 sides that have a comparably stronger team than us then to go further than them suggests we are over performing by comparison.
As for having an easy path, that might be fine for one tournament, but consistently getting to Semi-finals/ finals suggests it's more than pot luck.
It's also not like the England have only ever been knocked out by better sides either. I remember losing to Romania and Iceland. Going out after loses to Italy, Uruguay and drawing to Costa Rica in the group stages.
We have a history of under performing and losing to teams we should beat. He has sorted that out.
I know a lot of people are bitter about not winning the Euro's. While it's easy in hindsight to say we should have been more adventurous during the final. The truth is if we were we may have conceded by being more open as a side.
We lost on penalties when a couple of young players who have probably scored thousands of penalties in practice missed on the big stage. It happens. Anyone can miss a penalty under that pressure.
Both lads are forwards and in theory should be more confident in front of goal than our defenders and midfielders.
I won't blame Southgate for picking them and I won't blame the lads for missing them. It happens. We move on.
As Ken says there is only one England manager with a better record than Southgate. If he can win something then he will go down as the most successful England manager of all time.
21.) 03 Mar 2022 16:14:21
Shappy,
Who are the 6 or 7 sides in the world with a better pool of players right now?
22.) 04 Mar 2022 07:32:25
Yeah, Southgate is the worst, since, before him, England was winning every competition! ?.
23.) 04 Mar 2022 08:06:31
I don’t think Southgate steals a living that’s bit too far, there are many other managers that once on the merry go round of managers do well to get sacked and walk straight into another job does that mean they steal a living…No, but does it also mean they are top quality managers again NO IMO we only had 1 top quality manager in last 10 years including the present one and that’s Jose, but for some reason he was not backed or liked at the club to succeed. People can say they did not like him or he is rubbish for whatever reason but look at his CV that knocks that argument out…. Southgate no CV to speak of.
24.) 04 Mar 2022 09:15:41
Bilko. France, Belgium, Portugal, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Italy and I'd even argue Holland have a better pool of players than us to select from if you look at the defence for example, VVD, De Ligt, Dumfries, De Vrij, Blind, Botman would all get in our squad ahead of a lot of our defenders.
I would put us on par with Spain currently, just below these teams although I would say we are closing the gap.
25.) 04 Mar 2022 09:59:56
Bilko, Ports beat me to it. Ask yourself how many England players would make it into the starting 11 for any of Brazil, Belgium, France, Portugal, Germany, Italy, Argentina, Holland or Spain.
Unless you can get at least 6 players into their starting 11 then they have a better team than you. I'd argue that you'd struggle to get more than 8 English players into any of those countries 23 man squad they would take to any tournament.
Which means that those countries have a better pool of players.
26.) 04 Mar 2022 10:09:41
Viva, while Jose's achievements are undeniable, I think it's fair to question whether he is anywhere near as good as he used to be.
Personally I don't think he's been the same since his Real Madrid sacking.
He came back to Chelsea and got an immediate response, but it soon went sideways. When he left Chelsea were closer to relegation than top four.
He struggled at United, did well in two of the cups. Personally I feel Jose's style is more suited to knockout football. But it all ended in a rather big mess.
He then went to Spurs and never did much. Got them in a run to a cup final but was doing so poorly in the league he was sacked before he could play the final (which they lost in typical Spurs fashion) .
He's now at Roma and they are very middle of the road under him. Treading water currently in 6th in Serie A which this season is looking more open than it has in many years. With Juventus off the pace and Inter not looking as strong as they were under Conte.
Personally I think Jose is finished as a club manager. He's a guy who might be able to get a side to a cup final and maybe even win it. His defensive style that keeps the score low is well suited to knockout football. But in the league he doesn't seem to be able to keep pace with more free playing, proactive style.
I think the best solution for him is to move into international management. The knockout cup format suits his style. While the more time he can spend with his family might be better suited to him at this point in his life.
26 Oct 2021 11:26:42
I'm really hoping for someone like Potter to come in, relatively young, has achieved in a different country and has his current team punching above its weight. He's shown that tactically he's quality and he can also develop a player. The only question would be over his ability to handle the egos. But is the job right for him? Is the structure at the club there to enable him to succeed?
1.) 26 Oct 2021 11:38:48
Not for me - has as much if not less experience than Ole. Maybe in a few years if he gets an interim move to a Newcastle or even a Spurs.
2.) 26 Oct 2021 11:42:57
The real question however would be if the club can handle him because his ambitions might not match with the club's ?.
3.) 26 Oct 2021 11:51:50
Quite frankly I would not like to condemn any young manager to taking us on at the mo. I would not want to risk their reputation and progress by climbing aboard our shipwreck early in their career.
28 Oct 2024 16:29:40
Mad Hatter - I agree about the players throwing managers under a bus comment. I think a number of players leaving in the summer will help with that situation.
Shappy - Agreed, moving to a back three helps with the midfield/ fullback issues. Evans, Maguire and Lindelof are out of contract in the summer though so that's 3 CBs down plus Eriksen leaving leaves us short on numbers. Replacing those 4 won't be cheap unless we can promote from the academy. We probably need a LB, we tried to buy Olise, which would suggest there is a feeling we need a RW too.
Ashworth/ Wilcox are really going to need to earn their cash with sales to get us out this mess.
22 Aug 2024 08:35:34
I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a number of the following go by the end of the window Lindelof, Eriksen, McTominay, Sancho, Casemiro, Maguire and Rashford. We have 8 days to go, the last week is normally where you start seeing deals come out of nowhere.
05 Aug 2024 20:42:32
We let that deal run for a long time before backing out. We really, really need a new 6. I've not seen the article were there any suggestions of alternatives?
At this rate we'll have the same midfield as last season. Crazy!
06 Jul 2024 18:03:09
Angelred and Eric - what if he wants to leave?
06 Jul 2024 11:52:15
Than you.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcom.}
20 Nov 2024 14:44:43
The last contract we gave Rashford is a problem, nobody is going to pick up the £300Kpw wages if we decide to move Rashford on. His best season was under EtH in 22/ 23 when he got 30 goals in 56 games. Rashford has shown an unwillingness to track back, whether this was a tactical choice by the staff or lack of effort, only time will tell. My opinion is that in the best interest for the club and player we should look to move him on.
05 Nov 2024 13:27:14
Rashford has had two decent seasons 19/ 20 and 22/ 23. How his form or return warranted that latest contract is mind blowing. For the sake of his career he needs a change, he’s probably our most valuable asset and we need cash. I think it’s better for everyone if he moves on. His work rate without the ball is almost non existent.
Garnacho needs coaching, he’s clearly extremely talented. Hopefully Amorim can get the best out of him. The question is where he plays in Amorims system, if he play the wingback role he is going to have to work incredibly hard getting up and down the flank. A bit like Rashford he needs to shoot less.
Hojlund had the best shot conversion rate in the league last year I believe. He makes good runs, unfortunately, he gets no service. The 3 players behind him all tend to shoot from distance, one thing is for sure if Amorim uses his 3-4-3 system Hojlund will get way more chances to shoot, which from his conversion rate stats from last season would suggest he will score a lot of goals.
If you look at the shots per 90 stats, the three players behind the striker lead the stats by a considerable distance. The assist stats for those positions are criminally low. In 10 starts Bruno, Rashford and Garnacho have 4 assists between them. The two 10’s in Amorim’s system have 11 assists.
30 Oct 2024 12:10:04
I remember in 2022 there was a video of the players doing a basic passing drill very badly, it was edited with EtH's Ajax team doing the same drill effortlessly. The players he inherited were not suitable for a possession based passing game as you say. To compound issues the defence was build for low block counter attacking football not high line possession based football.
EtH's sacking is the culmination of 10 years of mismanagement by the exec team. The squad still bares the scars of this time, a hodge podge group built by numerous managers all with differing philosophies. Hopefully that time has ended and we now have a strong leadership team with a clear strategy.
I'm really excited by the Amorim appointment, also if you look at the summer acquisitions they all fit his system. He had quick success at Braga and Sporting and hopefully he can do he same here. Its going to be intriguing to see how he lines the team up. The back three picks itself when Yoro is back (Martinez, De Ligt, Yoro) . Midfield the same (Ugarte and Mainoo) . The Inside forwards and wing backs is where it gets interesting, does he go with a Mount + Bruno pairing for the inside forward roles and put wingers in the wingback positions or does he put Rashford and Garnacho inside forward and have Mazraoui and Shaw as the wingbacks.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Rashford leave in the summer, we need cash and he's our most expensive asset, also he's stalled and might need a move to freshen his career up
One player who is going to benefit massively is Rasmus Hojlund, he had the best conversion rate in the league last season and one thing is for sure Amorim's system creates A LOT of chances for his striker!
28 Oct 2024 22:04:35
I have family who work in professional sports, once the ego has mended the paid out contract really does fill that void. Plus RVN has been back in the shop window.
10 Oct 2024 15:29:31
Ineos have been super tight lipped whilst going about their business. The media made an assumption EtH would be discussed at a pre booked MONTHLY board meeting. The media have been made to look stupid. Fans have been whipped up into a frenzy by the media, by keeping their council Ineos are just showing that the media have no inside track and it’s all click bait.
I believe Ineos gave a statement in the summer about walking into the right decision rather than running to the wrong one. Also we have a recent history of only binning managers when it’s mathematically not possible for them to hit milestones like top 4.
Everyone needs to chill out, if EtH doesn’t meet his KPIs he’ll go, if he hits them he’ll stay. We’ve literally only just go a senior footballing team. The board are obviously happy to give it time, us fans will just have to trust in the people brought in.
Having an opinion is all part of being a fan, it’s gotten very decisive recently and that’s not productive for anyone.
{Ed002's Note - What has it to do with Ineos? None of you seem to grasp the situation at the club.}