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13 Sep 2021 08:55:53
little rumor for use dunno if the eds can confirm if its BS or not.

but I've been told that united are speaking to mino about pogba and in regards to sorting their relationship out and are confident they can get pogba signed up to a new deal.

Cheshire red have you heard anything.

bolger2

1.) 13 Sep 2021 09:22:16
Let's hope not. The pogba saga needs to end now, let him leave.


2.) 13 Sep 2021 09:41:41
Souness will be delighted.


3.) 13 Sep 2021 11:09:07
Yh read a story that Pogba is more amenable to signing a new deal, the way he's been playing this year, would be good to tie him down.


4.) 13 Sep 2021 13:15:13
If we sign Pogba let's go out and sign a DM.
I'm happy if it that means Donny goes or 1 more goes.
Pogba needs a Kante like DM or someone close. Maybe let's go all out for Ndidi.


5.) 13 Sep 2021 13:20:52
if i were United, i would do it now as the team is on a high and he will be most likely to sign without demanding heaven and earth to do so.


6.) 13 Sep 2021 14:58:00
Fickle as hell. Few shiny signings so maybe pogba will choose to stay and now everyone's for pogba staying. Few weeks ago it was get rid ASAP. Least my minds not been changed, he should just go. Too much hassle and never truly wanted to be here.


7.) 13 Sep 2021 15:16:04
Pogba had high praise for France DM Tchoumeni.
Maybe he is someone to look out for?


8.) 13 Sep 2021 15:19:35
RedWhiskey, it's funny how people feel differently about different players in similar situations.

Pogba slated for only wanting to commit to the club once they show ambition to sign the best players.

Rooney on the other hand when he went public about not wanting to sign a new deal because the club lacked ambition in their signings was lauded a hero.

In both situations it's a case of a top player just wanting more top class players around them to give them a serious chance at winning titles.


9.) 13 Sep 2021 15:28:20
Red Whiskey, if Pogba wants to go he will go for a free this coming summer and he will not sign a new deal. If he signs a new deal I would say that shows he wants to stay and thinks the team is going somewhere. Personally I think he is a great player, but hasn't done it enough for us. He is playing well at the moment and if this is the Pogba we could see on a consistent basis, then I would love him to stay.


10.) 13 Sep 2021 15:47:51
shappy difference was Rooney was practically a one man show doing everything. giving 10 out of 10s every week.


11.) 13 Sep 2021 17:57:07
Seeing players of the quality of the players that came in this summer is going to make players more likely want to play at Utd.

Players want to play with top players just as they want to play under top managers. I would guess its Ronaldo and Varane that is more impactive than Ole and Phelan but maybe I am wrong.


12.) 13 Sep 2021 21:06:05
We should keep Pogba only if we go on and sign a Ndidi. Next season I want us to go all in for ndidi even if that means we let 6-7 players go (martial, lingard, Donny and 1-2 fringe players more) . He will be overpriced but he's exactly player we need with Pogba.
Pogba is playing well and would be perfect player to find our attacking forwards.


13.) 16 Sep 2021 20:52:51
Let Pogba go, sign Bellingham.


14.) 16 Sep 2021 23:07:30
My only negative comments about Pogba is his lack of effort on the pitch. The bad body language. No tracking back or covering.

This season he has looked much better. Far happier. Even in a midfield 2 he has looked good. Okay, an occasional slip up defensively is expected, happy for him to make up for that in the attacking 3rd. But there were periods last year when he was a liability, and totally unprofessional.

If he wants to stay, and is all in, then I would sign him up and then we need to solve the DM position. He was one of my least favourite players, but he is winning me over.


15.) 19 Sep 2021 11:14:22
He needs to leave. He’s wanted out for 2 years - he doesn’t fit the Premier League style of play. That much is painfully obvious and he’d be happier in Spain and Italy.


16.) 19 Sep 2021 22:31:42
Pogba is, admittedly, my favourite Utd player. He has been untouchable this season and his range of passing is the best in the league. If he stays this committed then he will easily be in the top 3 midfielders in the league.


 

 

18 Jul 2021 14:30:10
Rumours of united being offered v. junior when discussing the varane deal

United want him on loan with an option to buy.

Is just online rumours but he's only 21 and did have promise when madrid signed him, pacy and can play on either wing.

bolger2

1.) 18 Jul 2021 14:45:22
I mentioned this down the page, ed002 said he won’t be joining us. decent player but I struggle to see why we would want him as he’s another wide player not a number 9. the 2 big Spanish clubs really are having a fire sale aren’t they 🤣.


 

 

28 Oct 2020 22:37:01
Telles has C.V.

bolger2

1.) 29 Oct 2020 06:18:27
Ole has confirmed he has had no symptoms, so he will be back after a good rest and fitness.


2.) 29 Oct 2020 18:03:38
Ed could you shed light on Bartomeus comments about the super league? I know a little bit about it through work in that it’s United and Arsenal with Liverpool possibly being invited if they can increase their global appeal. But it seems like the negotiations have taken off in various directions recently?

{Ed002's Note - He was discussing the proposals of the "elite" sides which I have been explaining for several years. The other idea are simply options, which I have explained as well.}


3.) 02 Nov 2020 07:47:36
We need a manager with a C. V.


4.) 05 Nov 2020 13:26:54
ken only just seen this, it made me chuckle lol.


 

 

05 Oct 2020 13:58:35
i just don't get united at all.


its a comedy show in the market,

we knew what dortmund wanted yet offer around 16 million short of what they want.

yet agree 20 million euros for telles, don't sell smalling for a fee that could be used to add to the bid we have already sent to dortmund for sancho.

then apprently are in for this 18 year old kid for 30 million euroes but don't have the money for sancho


the bid was obviously just for fun, never any intention to buy the player just a smoke screen for the good old "we tried"

and again made it out to every club that we don't have a clue on how to conduct transfers

i don't get how we can end the season on a positive feeling to now this,

and now we have a few weeks before we play again., .,

and our next 5 games don't look promising with our current form.

bolger2

1.) 05 Oct 2020 14:45:12
The Traore money was going to be used for Sancho. With that deal dead the money is being spent on other acquisitions.


2.) 05 Oct 2020 14:54:37
I don't get comparing Sancho and Traore. We are chasing them for different reasons.

Unfortunately Sly are sensationalising the Traore signing so everyone thinks this is the Sancho alternative. He's just a kid.


3.) 05 Oct 2020 14:55:35
Pretty sure the potential for a Sancho deal is the reason why so much of our business is being done late on and why we were pushing for the extra few million for Smalling.

That we’re starting to splash the cash around now would certainly seem to suggest that a deal for Sancho is well and truly off the table now.


4.) 05 Oct 2020 15:00:15
What other acquisitions?

Telles was independent of Sancho and Cavani is a free agent.

United allegedly bid £90m for Sancho, and are now signing a kid for less than a third of that. There’s £60m plus that isn’t being spent, despite it being blindingly obvious that our squad is unfit for purpose. The kid won’t even be here till Jan, and even then he will take years to be a starter.

There was no plan this window, and suspect Ole will be gone before the new year.


5.) 05 Oct 2020 15:05:55
I think the reality is that the club genuinely thought they could get the Sancho fee down.

Over the last 48 hours when it has proven that they can't and that they have no desire to spend £108m on Jadon in the current climate.

Now the club are facing a backlash and have cobbled together deals for Cavani and Amad Traore to cover their arses. I don't think the club ever had any plans to sign either this window.

I think the club expected a deal for a CAM (Grealish originally, but when Villa wouldn't drop the 80m fee they went for DvdB), a LB looked at Reguilon, Alex Telles and Mykolenko (With Telles actually signing), a move for a young talented wide player such as Stevanovic or Pellistri (a player for the future who might make a few first team appearances this season) and a move for Sancho who they thought they could get the price down for.

When the Sancho deal went up in smoke they quickly spent 60m on Cavani and Amad Traore (who can't join until January) . I don't think the club planned to buy either this summer. Cavani has been available for months, while Amad Traore was going to Parma on loan before that collapsed and we swept in. Clearly two deals that were not a part of our thinking until the last few days.

Our transfer window has been shocking, we will somehow now end up with three highly talented 18 years olds are our only options for the RW unless we play Mata or Lingard there, or continue with a struggling Dan James who we were considering selling/ loaning to Leeds when we thought we could get Sancho.

Utter shambles.


6.) 05 Oct 2020 15:59:09
The planning and execution is shocking.

Cavani has not played football for almost 7 months.
His agent said few months back that he would join United only for money.

Why are we again after mercenaries again.


7.) 05 Oct 2020 16:15:04
Did you see him say that trd or was it a quote an a click bait article from the metro?


8.) 05 Oct 2020 16:36:37
Quote from February Ken, his agent/ brother said this. "If it were for money, Edi would have gone to England, Manchester or Chelsea. ”.


9.) 05 Oct 2020 17:03:38
This is part of the article in 4-4-2

Cavani’s brother, Walter Guglielmone, who also acts as his agent, revealed that despite interest from Frank Lampard and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, the striker had his heart set on a move to Atletico Madrid instead.

“Cavani was willing to receive less than with PSG, ” revealed Guglielmone. “Atletico could not cover the total economic cost of the operation and PSG did not want to lower the amounts he was asking for. Atletico Madrid did not close the agreement.

"Do you think that Edi did not play for almost a month at PSG so that I could drop the operation for a commission and that Edi did not fulfill his dream of going to Atletico Madrid? If it were for money, Edi would have gone to England, Manchester or Chelsea. ”.


10.) 05 Oct 2020 17:59:24
So he didn't say "he would join United only for money"

That's some twisting of words.

Plus the article is from February. A lot has happened since then.


11.) 05 Oct 2020 18:02:36
Yup Ken. His agent did say that and he also said his dream move is Athletico.

Desperation signing : (.


12.) 05 Oct 2020 18:02:36
Yup Ken. His agent did say that and he also said his dream move is Athletico.

Desperation signing : (.


13.) 05 Oct 2020 20:05:05
So was United desperate or Cavani then, TRD?


 

 

10 Aug 2020 18:59:58
Anyone know who Daniel Harris is?

He seems to think sancho will hand a transfer request in.

bolger2

1.) 10 Aug 2020 19:06:22
Can’t remember who he writes for, a few places I think and apparently he is reliable though others might need to confirm that.


2.) 10 Aug 2020 20:19:42
In short Tim you don't know🤣🤣.


3.) 10 Aug 2020 23:01:55
Have you been writing Boris’ press releases Tim?


4.) 10 Aug 2020 23:04:33
😂 pretty much. but he writes for the guardian so that’s better than the star or sun.


5.) 11 Aug 2020 11:56:29
Only teasing Tim😂.


6.) 11 Aug 2020 12:49:08
No worries ken. I’m thinking of running for office 😉😂.


7.) 11 Aug 2020 15:33:16
It was a politicians answer alright😂😂 either that or Vikki pollard groom little Britain no but yeah but no but yeah but.


8.) 11 Aug 2020 16:58:42
Far too concise for a Boris press release.


9.) 11 Aug 2020 20:17:04
I’m Dominic Cummings without the lockdown breaking antics 😂.


 

 

 

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05 Oct 2021 13:11:05
lets be honest its only a matter of time before ole goes not if. and tbh he only has himself to blame,

yes he has stop the rot and there is now a more positive feel around the club but he doesn't seem to have learnt from previous mistakes

we now have a squad capable of winning trophies.

question is who do you get in that matches the values of this once great club?

we cannot simply be happy with top 4.

we should have got poch in when we had a chance.

but there inst really anyone out there that could be brought in, people seem to sprout out conte and zidane but conte is jose in an alternate universe, he stinks and i wouldn't want him anywhere near the club.

is this a case of better the devil you know?

thing with OLE is when he is under extreme pressure he always seems to deliver and what better time than the run we have coming up?

bolger2

1.) 05 Oct 2021 13:38:09
No this is exactly when it’s not best with the Devil you know.


2.) 05 Oct 2021 13:57:50
Bolger if Ole comes out of this run of games and we are still within touching distance then he will have earned the right to see the season out imo (can't wait to be told off for this opinion lol) .

Personally looking around the world of management at the minute I don't see a clear answer as I think Klopp closely followed by Pep are the best in the world and by a stretch. I like the look of Ten Haag and what he is doing at Ajax, but Ajax are a very well run club.

I agree on Conte, I would say Zidane could do a good job, but it is hard to know as he had a super side at Madrid, and they have gone backwards, but that could be because he has gone?


3.) 05 Oct 2021 13:55:36
It could happen as it did last year and previous, where in the big games where we are underdogs we pull out a result. You have to feel though that pep, klopp etc will have worked out what we do and will have a different approach. i. e. let us have the ball more so we don’t sit in as much then wait for the inevitable mistake and punish us. We sit back against the big teams and counter, if that’s not an option then we are in trouble.


4.) 05 Oct 2021 14:32:39
Caolan, I'm not sold on Zidane, can he get a group of players playing better than the sum of its parts or was he just lucky to have a great team that played to its ability and not beyond it?

Clearly since Real Madrid lost its star power and with many of their current stars aging and declining Zidane has been unable to stop the rot and the side has declined to a point where he walked out. He went back after not getting any other jobs offers a year later, did well for a little bit then walked out again.

I'm not sure a manager who has twice walked out of job at the only club that seems willing to hire him fills me with confidence that he has what it takes to manage Manchester United. Do we really need a quitter when things get tough?

Conte I think would probably win a cup in his first year then leave in his second season. That's if he'd take the job at all, he's very temperamental and walks the moment he doesn't feel completely backed.


5.) 05 Oct 2021 15:04:45
Agree Shappy, Conte will be Jose 2.0, Zidane and Ralf are unknowns managing in the Premier League, Ten Haag apparently off to Barca. My personal choice is Lucien Favre, but he will be as much of a risk.
As there is no obvious replacement, I can see why the club will stick with Ole for the foreseeable.


6.) 05 Oct 2021 15:18:14
Firstly Conte not only won at Chelsea, what about last year, or was they full of superstars when he arrived!

Secondly I doubt ZZ is a quitter, perhaps on the 2nd occasion because the position they were in financially he knew he was not getting the backing or going to get it and needed a full rebuild, as you can see from Carlo’s start.

First time maybe after winning so much he was just shattered and needed a break, I don’t know but to call him a quitter is a little derogatory Shappy and you have audacity to say people abuse Ole…… you not just done the same to ZZ.


7.) 05 Oct 2021 15:33:30
It’s a gamble whoever is chosen or accepts, don’t matter if best coach in the world or the worst, but you have to take the gamble because going nowhere at moment, so what’s the downside ok we drop out top 4 which is good possibility anyway, and you all moan top 4 should not be the goal anyway and I agree, for me it’s win or nothing, so I don’t care if it’s 2nd or 5th you not won so end of!

I’m not one of the “it’s the taking part that matters brigade” winning is what it’s about if it can be won in style and entertaining along the way that’s the holy grail.


8.) 05 Oct 2021 17:08:47
Jackamus did I miss something or did Zidane not quit the Real Madrid managers job TWICE. The only management job he has had in top level football.

I don't think calling someone who has quit every job they have had in a particular field a quitter is derogatory.

Would you rather I called him a resigner?

I think Conte is a good manager. Clearly better than Ole. That said he signed Sensi, Barella, Hakimi, Eriksen and Lukaku in order to make Inter champions. He then left when he was told the club would need to balance the books and he couldn't sign more players and even that a couple would need to be sold to keep the club a float.

He wasn't prepared to stay and help the club's all he cares about is winning titles himself. So he left. He is very much a Jose 2.0 in that regard.

Now I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that attitude or mentality.

I just don't feel it would work well with our club. Based particularly on how things worked out with Jose.

That's why I said I think we would win something with him in his first season. The football would be dogged, rugged, and defensive. But it would be effective. The issue will come in his second or maybe third season when he wants to sign a couple of world class players to push the club to the next level and instead the club decide they are happy enough challenging but don't want to go the extra mile to try and bring the biggest honours home.

Maybe he will want Maguire but will get Fred instead. Oh wait that already happened.

Maybe he'll want Kroos, Fabregas and Bale but get Fellaini and Mata instead. Oh wait that also happened.

Either way at some point the club's ultimate lack of football knowledge and ambition will clash with his and he'll walk out or have a meltdown forcing the club to sack him.

If you want to watch defensive football for a couple of years in exchange for an FA cup followed by a meltdown and the club being dragged through the mud and for us to be back looking for another manager again. Then Conte is your man. But he's not for me. If he comes in I'll support him like I have every manager, but I won't be shocked when it all ends badly.


9.) 05 Oct 2021 17:34:14
I never said conte was my man I already said his football would not be great what I was pointing out is you said he only does something because he walked into a good team……
Ole spent more the Conte and he nowhere near winning anything.

Like I said ZZ left first time because like he said he was exhausted, Per done it before remember…. 2nd time he left may have been because he knew ageing players needed replacing but no cash, it happens does not make him a quitter.

You think in your own head your the Wikipedia of all clubs throughout the world well that’s fine but it’s only in your own head and don’t try so hard to pass your trivia of as facts because it’s not, I know why you do it, and it may work for some of the sheep!

{Ed025's Note - calm down jack you are taking things too personally mate, its a banter forum which is all about opinions...take a chill pill..


10.) 05 Oct 2021 22:19:25
Jack, you're the one speculating about why ZZ left. I merely said he has quit the job the job twice.

Does it make a difference why he quit? Exhausted/ couldn't handle it, or because he saw the writing on the wall?

He walked out on a club he supposedly cares about twice. Twice he left them in the lurch rather than try and help make things better.

Whether he didn't think he was good enough to fix things or because he didn't have the stomach to try is just speculation.

In the end it amounts to the same thing, he leaves when things get tricky. Hardly a great trait for a supposed leader.


11.) 05 Oct 2021 22:24:53
Grim, I think Ralf Rangnick would be fine. He's never managed in the EPL but has huge experience and is a very good top class manager. I also think he is one of the few with the relevant experience above the manager to be able to cope with how our club is run.

Erik Ten Hag is a very good manager ready for that next step, while also having some experience of a sporting director role. Which I feel would stand him in good stead. If he has enough about him he'd steer well clear of Barcelona at the moment. The club is an absolute mess, the squad, the academy, the finances, everything. They may even have to sell the club to a sugar daddy to turn things around. I think they were really banking on the ESL. Poor investment and paying Messi a 1m per week to cling to his coattails has absolutely destroyed them.

It's actually very sad, a fan owned iconic club with great history could need to sell out to keep itself a float. I'm not sure if it's bravery or stupidity from whoever take the managers job there next.


 

 

05 Oct 2021 13:11:05
lets be honest its only a matter of time before ole goes not if. and tbh he only has himself to blame,

yes he has stop the rot and there is now a more positive feel around the club but he doesn't seem to have learnt from previous mistakes

we now have a squad capable of winning trophies.

question is who do you get in that matches the values of this once great club?

we cannot simply be happy with top 4.

we should have got poch in when we had a chance.

but there inst really anyone out there that could be brought in, people seem to sprout out conte and zidane but conte is jose in an alternate universe, he stinks and i wouldn't want him anywhere near the club.

is this a case of better the devil you know?

thing with OLE is when he is under extreme pressure he always seems to deliver and what better time than the run we have coming up?

bolger2

{Ed014's Note - for me you should go for Marcelo Gallardo and Marco Rose.

Both have to be obtainable but no doubt your owners will go for Gareth Southgate. ?‍♂️


1.) 05 Oct 2021 13:47:23
Some individual brilliance from someone or other could win a few of the next games, as is over the last seasons, then we go straight back to square 1 again and history will repeat itself and in couple of months we will be right back here…. (maybe our Right back might not be here! ) that’s how we seems to just plod along and have done for few years, they will then say we need X, Y, Z they will be signed and along we go again.

There is a ceiling to anyones ability no matter what the profession and Ole is at his along with the coaches, and let’s be honest everyone of them is extremely lucky to be in the post they are, of course in there own heads they will think they are the best, but someone above does have to say thanks but no thanks!


2.) 05 Oct 2021 13:49:01
Ed014……. please don’t keep mentioning Southgate that’s just taking it too far……NO NO NO Please that would just be unbearable…… I bet Greenwood, Sancho, AWB, etc think the same too!

{Ed014's Note - I’d really like to think they wouldn’t do such a ridiculous thing but there’s no telling what your owners are likely to do!

You can bet he’d stick with McFred though if he did come. ?‍♂️


3.) 05 Oct 2021 13:56:54
ED014 If he could not buy Phillips he certainly would stick with them both
You can bet the football would be as boring as is now too
You could bet he would sign a few Right Backs

That would be a good treble bet.

{Ed014's Note - absolutely, get down the bookies!


4.) 05 Oct 2021 15:07:35
Not sure why everyone is so down on Southgate. After all those high profile England managers got nowhere, Southgate came in under the radar and probably did the best job since Alf Ramsey. Could be a good fit for United.

{Ed014's Note - I’d love it if that happened as he’s woeful, blew it every time when it mattered.

Thus I’ve got my fingers crossed for you that it becomes reality ????????????????


5.) 05 Oct 2021 15:45:50
I would rather sit in a darkened room having Shappy reading to me 24/ 7 then have Southgate.


6.) 05 Oct 2021 17:46:04
Blew it, you lost on penalties to Italy not that bad for a team that everyone thought would bomb out in the first knockout round.


7.) 05 Oct 2021 20:33:47
But played no one before the final either!


8.) 05 Oct 2021 15:36:04
ED014. Don’t mention Southgate, I’m still not sure Ole and Southgate are not the same person anyway, have you ever seen them in the same room!
I’m not sure out of the two who colonel who!

Grim are you really saying England are good to watch? They not won anything so we won’t bother with that question, but you like to watch England?

{Ed014's Note - my lips are sealed mate ?


9.) 05 Oct 2021 18:29:30
Ed is Gallardo the River Plate manager? Pretty sure Ed001 mentioned he would be a great option for clubs in Europe too.

{Ed014's Note - yes he is mate and he gets some great reviews around his playing style, wouldn’t say no to him at Arsenal.

Rumours are Barca are looking at him.


10.) 06 Oct 2021 00:33:07
Not sure Sir Alex in his pomp could fix Barcelona Ed. Wouldn’t mind Ten Haag mysef!

{Ed014's Note - well he defo doesn’t want the Barca job so you could be in with a shout for him.


 

 

30 Sep 2021 08:48:34
i know ronaldo will get the praise for the win last night but cavani what can i say,

his workrate is class, for someone his age to run not stop, hounding and pressing the other team, players like pogba and martial should take note.

his desire and passion to win the ball in the build up to the goal was the sole reason we won last night.

i would love to see ole go old school and play a 4 4 2 with ronaldo and cavani up top.

play greenwood and sancho wide, mctominay and bruno is cm.

bolger2

1.) 30 Sep 2021 09:04:18
bolger2, the moment you bring in Bruno/ Pogba in CM you know who plays next to them - the one the only Fred the red.

No matter what formation he plays it's going to be the same.


2.) 30 Sep 2021 10:02:40
If we had 11 players on the pitch with Cavani s passion and intensity there would be no stopping us. He missed that header (what a cross that was) but when he chased that ball down when Ronaldo gave up and then his fight for the ball for the winner . wow.


3.) 30 Sep 2021 10:33:12
Agree chaps, old school warrior. If he doesn’t get in the team Saturday it’s an absolute disgrace, he epitomises what we should be about.


4.) 30 Sep 2021 10:44:36
Ronaldo get's all the glory for the goal but he was anonymous pretty much all the game and if he does'nt score he offers nothing much in terms of leading the line .

It was so easy for them to pass out from the goalie and right through us for large spells last night . Little or no pressing from the front three, Pogba missing in action in the middle and it was so easy for them to target Dalot all the time .

He's not the greatest defender in the world but i felt sorry for him last night as he was getting no help from those in front of him and despite this being obvious early on Ole did nothing to try and change things .

At least with Cavani and Lingard on the pitch they finally provided some energy and pressing and put the Villareal defenders under some pressure for once.


5.) 30 Sep 2021 10:51:11
Bolger - agree that cr7 will get the headlines but he was not in the game until cavani came on . DDG made 5/ 6 quality saves and was realistically the reason we didn't get hammered. Dalot, mctom, pogba and bruno were dire and again the tempo of the game was geriatric!
I thought the game was crying out for vdb to get minutes as we lacked in so many areas it was very hard to watch. Ogs got away with it by bringing on cavani and lingard which if he had the cahunas and the mental strength he would realise and start v everton probably in a diamond mid or 4-4-2.
ON THE 150 MILE JOURNEY HOME THE TOPIC WAS JUST WHICH GAME WILL BE ogs last.


6.) 30 Sep 2021 11:13:47
Funky what makes you think or have you seen that makes you think DVB is good enough and what last nights game was crying out for? How on earth does this player keep getting better and better in peoples eyes when we have seen nothing at all from him to suggest such.


7.) 30 Sep 2021 11:23:51
Good thread lads, if Cavani can press from the front and demonstrate the required energy and desire to put the opposition defenders under pressure I don’t know why the rest of them can’t. In my opinion all our problems were due to being too passive when not in possession and not putting their defenders under any kind of pressure. We did it in moments during the game, most notably when Cavani came on but such is Utd at the moment it wasn’t sustained and I have no idea what the game plan was last night.

Can someone explain to me what Pogba’s role was?! Mctominay was poor but at least you could see he had been asked to hold his position in midfield. If I’m being honest he was left brutally exposed and was left with too much ground to cover on his own. Bruno still played as a No10 but what Pogba was doing I have absolutely no idea.

Dalot didn’t play well but he got absolutely no help from Greenwood or the midfield. Yet another game where there was no link between the defence and attack!

Bilko - excellent post mate others may see it differently but that's exactly how I assessed the game last night pal!


8.) 30 Sep 2021 11:30:40
Jackamus, I have not seen enough of DvB to make a judgement but I woulld like to, although Ole sees him in training often enough and obvs does not trust him!

Looking at last nights game, we do not commit to the press and our front players do not work back. You could have the greatest holding midfielder/ s and still get over run, until the likes of Bruno, Pogba and even Ronaldo are coached correctly and work back effectively as a team, we will continue to be poor.

Look at Ings last Saturday, he worked so hard, as did the rest of the Villa team, he was not stood upfront waiting for a Hollywood ball over the top, they all worked together, as a unit. We do not, we are top heavy.


9.) 30 Sep 2021 11:41:11
jack- our forwards namely ronaldo and greenwood, sancho, made space and movement time after time only for the midfield failing to find them- time after time. Bruno tried, unsuccessfully as did mctom on a couple of occasions as well as pogba, who is played on the left at imo, the expense of others being out of position, to play balls in. The first half, we were limp with not a decent shot on target and the second wasnt much better until later on when personnel changed. Vdb was known to play am and slot passes through the lines at former club and international level.
Regarding what I think- its a site of opinions and imo a 40m player sitting on the bench that COULD provide an option is worth trying rather than stick the full match with something that wasnt working. As it happened, subs were made and we went on to win a match that for the majority of the time we didn't lok like doing. We won't truly see him if he isn't played but that's a common critique of the manager: hisreluctance/ inability to change when things aren't going right- that is quite a lot of peoples opinion, on here.


10.) 30 Sep 2021 11:46:24
Jackamus - probably because our midfield is horrific. I credit most Utd fans with being an intelligent bunch and they can recognise a decent player when they see one.

VdB has never been given a fair chance. He normally plays in a weakened team having not kicked a ball in weeks and in 18 months I don’t think he’s even started two games in a row. Despite your protestations he’s actually played ok when given the chance. He was motm against Wolves last game of last season and motm against West Ham last week. Ok he’s not prime Roy Keane or Paul Scholes but with our midfield in disarray surely he deserves a run in the team so we can at least make an informed decision. I presume what most fans see is a good technical midfielder that could help us keep possession of the football and be an effective conduit between defence and attack. If your judging him off a few sporadic starts and substitute appearances generally in the last 5 minutes of games then you’re not giving him a fair chance either pal.

Jrred - another good post pal.


11.) 30 Sep 2021 12:07:51
you only have to look at the Guardiola / Aguero situation at City .

Guardiola was one of the best strikers around great scoring record but a typical poacher . Guardiola refused to accept that as being enough and got Aguero to work hard and press along with the goals.

Ronaldo is our number 9 for the next two seasons at least and that's not going to happen, because of his age

I looked at PSG the other night and they have a front three who probably won't do an awful lot of pressing but behind them they had a hard working three in midfield of Verratti, Gueye and Herrera to compensate, whereas we're carrying a passenger like Pogba, and the likes of Fred and McTominay don't have the quality on the ball of Verratti or even Herrera.


12.) 30 Sep 2021 12:08:03
DLIB. Ole and his bunch of merry men have seen him in Training for 18 months for gods sake, surely if he was a superstar or even in the making even other players would be saying he got to play, but no……. He gets brushed of the ball in the premier league he is too weak I have not seen him play anything other then sideways or backwards and let’s be fair the king of sideways and backwards passing Louis van gaal don’t even pick him for national team, so I have to disagree.


13.) 30 Sep 2021 12:34:16
Jackamus - It’s all about opinions mate, I’m not saying he’s the answer but we paid £40m for him and with our midfield not functioning I’d like to see him given a chance so we can make a proper judgement.

I personally don’t buy into this training ground conspiracy. If you listen to some reports Amad has been brilliant in training yet got nowhere near the first team. Many call Ole a PE teacher so can we really trust his judgment. I don’t think we can have it both ways and as far as I know there is absolutely no evidence to suggest VdB is a poor trainer.

We’ll agree to disagree pal!


14.) 30 Sep 2021 12:43:16
Jackamus, if the inaptness of Ole and his coaching staffs is anything to go by then rest assured their judgements are just as inept.


15.) 30 Sep 2021 13:17:40
Jackamus,

We saw VdB getting very frustrated last night. He hasn't been given a fair run in the team. Look at how poor Pogba has been yet Ole always made a place for him in the team. After a couple of seasons under Ole he found some kind of form.

It does appear that Ole perhaps didn't want VdB and he may have been forced to accept his signing by those above. He clearly has no future at the club and it is appalling how he has been treated. I glad to see him have a paddy. He showed more passion than most of the players who play week in and out.

I hope the club let him go in January.


16.) 30 Sep 2021 13:36:25
Donny has played only 5 mins this season in EPL lol.
Is that enough to judge him?

He was our best player in the EFL game.
Just need to give him consistent game time to prove himself.
McFred have been awful this season.


17.) 30 Sep 2021 14:03:02
TRD,

In your opinion he was the best player in EFL, I entirely disagree.


18.) 30 Sep 2021 14:04:52
The thread started with the well-deserved praise of Cavani. At the moment, our best front three is Ronaldo at LW, Cavani CF, and Greenwood RW. Even last night Ronaldo and Cavani interchanged some.

On van de Beek, he deserves more of a chance. I don't think he gets brushed aside. Offensively he just has played too safe with his passes, and defensively, he lacks the explosiveness to close down quickly. He has shown more aggressiveness this season already. Ole needs to sit Bruno or Pogba more often, and not let them be automatic first choice after giving the ball away so often.


19.) 30 Sep 2021 14:05:55
Dlib I’m not saying he is a bad trainer, he might be worlds best trainer just don’t possess the ability in this league.
TRD no not enough to judge him 5 mins this season, but he played more then that last season, and had one average game end of season at Wolves is that the level we now judge on!
I’m not saying he been treated great I’m not saying he been treated bad but what I am saying he gets talked about on here as if he the answer to all problems and the limited chances he got he not set the world alight, too weak too square or back passes, even the king of square and back passing Louis don’t pick him for Holland.


20.) 30 Sep 2021 15:45:18
He does'nt play for Holland because he's not playing regularly at club level and to be fair to him, i don't know whether he's up to it or not but at least he deserves a run of four or five games to show what he can do.


21.) 30 Sep 2021 16:39:04
But Bilko, he played a game last week and his contribution was losing his man for the goal they scored, so risking him for 4-5 games as you say could develop into 4-5 loses, if Ole and his gang don’t trust him why would they take that gamble! They clearly don’t see anything in him so whilst they are manager and coaches you have to accept that decision.
I don’t agree much of what Ole does at all, but I can understand his logic there, after all he really does want what’s best for United, no one can doubt that, but he just not up to the job, in his own mind he is!
I’m not sure how the poster above likened Pep dealing with Aguero as a example either, city played a high press and all about winning ball back soon as you lose it, Ole don’t play with a press at all, it’s nothing like a full press maybe one player does press the rest watch, so not a good comparison.


22.) 30 Sep 2021 16:44:12
Bilko if he was as good as everyone seems to think, I’m sure Louis would get him in, but sadly he ain’t no Ruud Gullit in his prime he is an average player and not no saviour to our problems.


23.) 30 Sep 2021 19:27:14
Bolger - I would love to see 442 or perhaps 352 with Ronaldo and Cavani up front. Both are world class and great work rate. Clearly they may not last 90mins but we have great options from the bench in Rashford, and Greenwood able to play up top too. I'd go Rashford / Sancho on the wings in a 442 and Greenwood as the supersub.


24.) 30 Sep 2021 19:53:42
Some of you need to watch the match again, Ronaldo didn’t create space or offer any type of movement for anyone. Someone even suggested he had great work rate? He was absolutely atrocious, martial would of been chased out of town for a performance as lazy as that . Watching first half snd the reason a lot of our play is sideways is he doesn’t move, doesn’t look to run in behind. Don’t get me wrong we all love him but sentiment aside I want to see my Manchester United work a lot harder than that, it starts at the front . Cavani is everything I expect from a United forward. Changed the atmosphere in the ground just by enthusiasm and desire.


25.) 01 Oct 2021 07:50:29
Chris1. But would Martial have scored the goal…… probably not, would martial have 2 defenders watching him all the time…probably not would Martial be in and around the box all the time causing havoc…. Probably not, ridiculous comparison……. you don’t have to run around like bull in a China shop to be a great Player, you play to your strengths exactly same as Messi does for PSG now and done for Barcelona for years, great players find space without even moving.
Cavani different animal that his game, I even see someone on here yesterday questioning his finishing because he missed a chance…. unbelievable

Fred runs around more then most, does that make him any good!


26.) 01 Oct 2021 14:01:48
Jackamus,

You ask why would Ole and Co. trust DVB with a four game run in the team?
well they've trusted Pogba with a lot more than that despite him being pretty brutal a lot of the time and also being at fault for us conceding goals due to not performing his defensive duties.


 

 

01 Sep 2021 08:01:17
We need squad dept we now have that,

We needed a proper cm but we can't have it all we have signed 3 quality players 4 including heaton, a few have gone on loan.

Rashford and pogba for lw
Ronaldo and cavani for st
Sancho and greeneood for rw
Bruno and lingard or even donny for number 10
We have fred and mctominay for the 2 cdms with most likly matic and maybe dvb to cover
Varane and maguuire are covered by lind and bailly
Both full backs are covered.

I think this is the strongest team we have has post sir alex, can rotate and the drop off in quality is not that much

No excuses now the team has the ability and quality is there we just have to show it.

Actually looking forward to the season.

bolger2

1.) 01 Sep 2021 08:39:11
Looks great on paper I’d agree. But the midfield will let us down.
Hope I’m wrong of course.


2.) 01 Sep 2021 09:26:33
If Sir Alex had this team we would challenge for the title.
But the thing is Ole is our manager.
A lot of times his team setups are so horribly wrong.
Yes we are one midfielder short from having an almost perfect squad
But most teams around Europe are like that.
If I was ole, I would start van de Beek for next 5 games and see how he actually performs.
Show some confidence in the lad and give him a proper go.
He has more than earned it after his pre-season showing.
Play matic and Donny, and let's see how many bad games they actually have.
Can always replace with fred after half time or 60 mins.


3.) 01 Sep 2021 09:31:53
Clearly the position we should have addressed is that of a holding centre midfielder. Our options are Matic (getting on but still pretty effective), McTominay (decent but that's it) and Fred (I'm really not sure what his strengths are) . I honestly don't understand what OGS sees in Fred. He is physically weak, his passing is generally poor and he offers little to the team. We also have Van De Beek who clearly has a good footbal brain and technical expertise. Surely he would be a better option than Fred.


4.) 01 Sep 2021 09:35:23
agree rohan vdb has to start next game given matic and fred have been woeful the past 2 games.

team should be picked on merit.


5.) 01 Sep 2021 09:39:55
Sir Alex won title with Cleverly/ Anderson alongside Carrick.

Ole has no excuses especially after blocking VDB's exit.

The squad is filled with attacking super stars.
Lets hope we play to our strengths and play with United DNA.


6.) 01 Sep 2021 09:57:26
Sir Alex had carrick too TRD.
We've won the league with worse squads than this.
I don't think matic had that bad a game as it's been made out.
Fred has had 2 shockers now.
I don't think it's that easy even playing alongside fred. I saw Pogba shouting at him to go deeper and make a passing angle, he didn't respond.
His positioning is not great and I don't think there's any reason apart from his constant running we should play him.
We let a better player in garner go on loan to nottm forest.


7.) 01 Sep 2021 09:57:35
I think the bigger question is what do Carrick and Fletcher see in our midfielders - especially Carrick who is on the training ground each day - you would think Carrick would be put in a padded room to watch the post game analysis as he watches Fred shin the ball out for a throw in and fail to make passes Carick could make blindfolded and with one leg encased in concrete.


8.) 01 Sep 2021 10:33:44
Would love to see Olly give Donny a go in the next game against Newcastle at home especially with an away trip to Young Boys on the following Tuesday. We are entering a period after the international break where it will be 2 games a week through September with the PL games getting more challenging.
Lets see how his new physique and training over the summer has done and he will also have the next week and half training as well due to not being in the dutch squad. The only logic for not playing him and rejecting his transfer is if Olly sees him playing the Champions League games.
Either way let's see what he can do.


9.) 01 Sep 2021 12:30:56
Exactly Brad, I imagine we might see Matic and Donny together in the UCL games. The pace is not usually quite so frenetic, could be the plan for early season.


10.) 01 Sep 2021 13:34:15
We've won the league with worse squads but not against opposition as strong as the current City, Chelsea and Liverpool squads.


11.) 01 Sep 2021 18:00:18
I think the only way Donny is going out of the club.
I've seen him play well, and next game been benched for weeks.
Now the customary 85min substitutes have disappeared.
Underutilized for no apparent reason.
He may not be a shiny name but a midfielder who does the simple things well is underrated.


 

 

28 Aug 2021 21:15:42
Amad to feyenood

Great move for him to play every week.

bolger2

1.) 28 Aug 2021 21:19:13
Not happy with this loan a much easier league.


2.) 28 Aug 2021 21:27:44
It’s good that he will get the games, not sure about the quality of opposition and the physicality. The championship would have helped him more but aw well.


3.) 28 Aug 2021 22:01:27
I think it's important to go to a club that you can trust and it feels that with Feyenord and Van Persie as a coach there they found it.
Hopefully he will get good game time as well as in Europe and come back next year a more developed player.
We will lose Cavani next season Mason will get more minutes as striker so feel that there will be an opportunity to play (even if as sub) next season.


 

 

 

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shappy difference was Rooney was practically a one man show doing everything. giving 10 out of 10s every week.

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28 Aug 2021 23:14:56
Agreed wallace if he sounds like a bad egg stay away.

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Agreed wallace if he sounds like a bad egg stay away.

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27 Aug 2021 14:58:13
i think cavani might be off

wants to go back to south america.

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27 Aug 2021 08:06:31
thats assuming wan bissaka stays fit shappy and is consistent in his form.

tbh i really like wan bissaka but going forward he is terrible, his passing is poor and he always looks like he's going to fall over when running forward.

defensively he is top but we need more from him going forward.

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16 Oct 2021 21:25:05
Bit dramatic we are bad but its not the worst united team.

The issue is the manager and his shocking coaching staff.

Come christmas we will have someone else in there.

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16 Oct 2021 17:51:52
Play to ronaldos strenths its simple and he will bamg in goals

But we don't have a manaher or coaches that know how to set a team up.

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13 Oct 2021 14:49:06
well what's the bet he's fit for the next international break in 4 weeks time.

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07 Oct 2021 13:03:17
hes approaching 29 let him leave

hes a hype train.


one of the most overrated players ever can do good thing every now and again, amazes me how people label him world class.

he wouldn't lace park or osheas boots.

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06 Oct 2021 15:49:12
The corners are just as bad, we conceded against villa and lost, we had a corner which was a sham and conceded on the break against everton.

We put players on corners who can't cross then we defend like school kids.

My sunday leauge team defend corners better.

We shpuld get the u13s manager and coaches in.

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