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21 Jul 2020 20:01:22
Sancho deal is done.
He's getting on the plane to us on 27July.
Just hope it's not the same one Sneijder is still taxiing on the runway.

Halesini

1.) 21 Jul 2020 20:37:48
I doubt it mate.


2.) 22 Jul 2020 12:29:04
I remember John Obi Mikel holding up a United shirt all signed sealed and delivered. So don't blame me for keeping my powder dry on this one until I see him out on the pitch for us.


3.) 22 Jul 2020 18:22:38
Yes John Obi Mikel was a strange one. We did technically buy him and sold him to Chelsea before he kicked a ball as I recall. He was a good player for them.


 

 

30 Jun 2020 12:50:45
Hi Eds
Is it possible to provide any updated list of United's transfer targets? Comments on Sky today attributed to United suggesting we'd only pay £50m for Sancho so assume we can definitely scratch him from the list.

Just the 37 points behind Liverpool so clearly it's time to penny pinch : (

Federico Chiesa at Inter and Ferran Torres at Valencia previously mentioned as RW alternatives. Do you see either appearing in a United shirt next season? Or do you see a cheaper option such as Willian for a free transfer being what our glorious leaders will opt for.

Criminal not to address RW with a genuine class player in the next transfer window.

Halesini

{Ed002's Note - Again, I don't really think much has changed at the moment and the club will look to to prioritise. Previously a DM would have been a target, but a new contract for Matic has delayed the immediate need. A versatile left sided CM/AM (ideally Jack Grealish) is still wanted. There is interest in the future with interest in Jude Bellingham remaining but a move being unlikely right now. Joe Hugill being taken as an option to Gelhardt. The club need to decide what to do about adding a striker with Odion Ighalo being the low cost option post his loan ending in January.

There are other youngsters the club have an interest in and could still look to cherry-pick like Ricky-Jade Jones and Kalvin Phillips. Then the issue shifts to players departing to make space. Donny van der Beek (CM) and Saul Niguez (CM) interest will have gone if Pogba decides to run down his contract next season because the club are holding him to ransom and may have no Champions League - and there is interest in both playersfrom elsewhere. A decision needs to be made as Manchester United may have the chance to replace Pogba with one of these players but they continue to make matters difficult for themselves.

In terms of Jadon Sancho, it is the overall cost of the package that is the major issue. His "agent" has approached other sides offering a better deal in terms of fees but both see the overall package as too high. Ferran Torres wants to be elsewhere and I don't see that happening. Federico Chiesa remains a very good option as I have explained. I doubt Manchester United woul offer Willian a three year contract if he becomes available.}


1.) 30 Jun 2020 14:04:43
Thanks Ed. Chiesa and Saul would be immense but Pogba running his contract down looks more likely.


2.) 30 Jun 2020 15:12:29
You'd like to think United will make a reasonable amount from sales with Smalling, Rojo, Jones, Pereira, Lingard and others available. Having any takers for the majority of them may be difficult though.

Chiesa looks like the best option at the moment. He's also played in a front two so the split striker tactic which we deploy when playing 3 at the back could suit him as well.

Ed, I don't suppose United have looked at Traore? I'd guess his cost would be very high as well.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach for Traore.}


3.) 30 Jun 2020 21:26:33
Thanks Ed2 for the update.
My I ask what the options On the table to get rid of Pogba are?

You keep saying we are messing it up and making it difficult.
Sounds to me like there would be a reasonable offer on the table and the Plan to replace him with Saul/ van de Beek is done as well and we are just too stupid to sign it all off.

Is that really the case?

Thanks A lot in advance.

{Ed002's Note - There are none right now Jonny.}


4.) 01 Jul 2020 11:37:54
But we missed the opportunity last summer, right?
In hindsight it would have been way smarter to get Bruno in and sell Paul to Real Madrid.
But hindsight is a bitch 😂

What is the preferred option within United at the moment?
Keep Paul (with an extension) or sell him off and sign Van de Beek or Saul?

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United are not communicating with PP's representative who is focussed on other transfers now. van der Beek is now considering options and has permission to speak to other clubs. Nothing is happening with Saul.}


5.) 01 Jul 2020 14:24:24
So we would need to engage his agent in new talks to move this forward, otherwise nothing is going to happen?

Seems to me like stubborn kids waiting for the other to say sorry first. Guess time plays against the club here.

No chance of signing van der Beek regardless of what happens to Paul? He doesn’t seem to be overpriced to me.

What’s the deal with Sancho right now?
It seems we have set a max of 50mil for his transfer fee. Is that due to the fact that we can‘t negotiate the agent and possible third parties down and try to get the total costs down?
Or is it trying to safe face after it‘s clear we will not be able to sign him?
Any other angle I‘m missing?

Thanks a lot for your insights and time.

{Ed002's Note - (1) Manchester United seem to have no interest in moving this forward and the interested sides are looking at their other options. (2) The club would need to make space in the side for van der Beek. (3) The situation with Sancho is the price as I have explained - and perhaps his desire to move elsewhere. I know nothing of any maximum transfer fee (any limit would be on the total upfront costs not just part of it). There is nothing to stop Manchester United negotiating with his agent but he has offered a better deal to two other sides already - but it hasn't helped.}


6.) 01 Jul 2020 15:40:17
Thanks Ed!

1) is there an explanation for this? Are they expecting/ hoping Paul will extend if he doesn’t get the move?
2) so van der Beek wouldn’t join as it is right now?
3) I was talking about the Max fee of 50 million quid wandering through the press right now. Not saying I believe it, but that’s why I am asking you. What kind of fee is the agent looking for?

Thanks and have a good evening.

{Ed002's Note - (1) Because they are hopeless amateurs. (2) Where would he play? It is Grealish they will look to first. (3) His agent is looking for €50M from Manchester United. Plus there are other fees it seems easy for people to ignore.}


7.) 01 Jul 2020 16:39:35
Thanks Ed.
1)it seems Woodward/ the Team will only ever concentrate on one deal And then move on to the next.
Is that actually what’s happening?
2) he could rotate with Bruno and Paul
3) is there any reasoning for the 50 Million? Or us it simply a case of using your power over the player to extract the Max amount?
Have we paid such excessive, at least it sounds to me, before? Habe we set a precedent there?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - (1) I don't know, people keep naming Woodward but there are others involved and the club's structure is not something to be discussed. (2) Sure, but this sounds like the Liverpool's fans viewpoint on how they will be using Mbappe, Dybala and many others they are signing. You need to keep in mind that the squad is restricted to 25 over 21 and only 17 non Home Grown. Manchester United have the opportunity to cherry pick between the likes of van der Beek, Milinkovic-Savic and Saul as higher-end options to replace Pogba but have completely lost direction with the main issue they should have been working on. Grealish is the one unrelated to this as he offers something different - as does Cantwell who was also looked at. (3) It is nothing to do with power over the player it is to do with a planned rule change. It is cheaper for two other sides. The fees paid for the transfer of Pogba from Juventus were not dissimilar, but I don't want to open that up again.}


8.) 01 Jul 2020 19:37:35
So if Utd wait a year they would hope to get an overall cheaper deal?

{Ed002's Note - They cannot be that stupid.}


9.) 01 Jul 2020 23:02:14
Seems like the club need to grow a set get the player and agent in a room and ask the question if he wants to stay in not (if they have t already) then act on it with pogba rather than being childish and acting like nothings happening because pogba hasn't said it in person to them (although he did say it in a addidas press appearance last year!? ) If we can choose between Saul van de beek and SMS I'd sell pogba and bring in Donny and Saul. I'd also give grealish a miss as I don't see whatever the club seems too especially at the supposed fees. Would aouar from Lyon not be a better option for the am/ lm ed?


 

 

29 Jun 2020 11:58:58
Hi Eds and all.
Any updates on Sanchez loan at Inter? Appreciate United want his wages off the books permanently but could Inter extend the current loan with an option to or commitment to buy? Presume they'll wish to extend so he can compete in the Europa League. Potentially against us. Would parent club rule similar to that in Prem apply meaning Sanchez couldn't play against United in Europa? Assuming not.

Halesini

{Ed002's Note - They would be happy to keep him on loan with MU paying most of his wages but won't look to buy him.}


1.) 29 Jun 2020 13:32:27
Thanks Ed002. Very helpful.


2.) 29 Jun 2020 15:23:58
I would rather take him back to add option, fixtures are coming thick and fast and if we are paying most of wages. its batter we pay full and use him on right hand side in rotation as required. I am sure he is not totally hopeless. If we can play Lingaard, we can play anyone. I m not saying not to sale him. but No for such type of Loan, where his wages are still our liability.

{Ed002's Note - I am not so sure that even Manchester United are that stupid.}


3.) 29 Jun 2020 18:22:07
Pay him off. Will cost us but he’s not going to have a buyer for the amount we will want. Saying that would paying him off be more amateurish or good business 002? I try not to understand our club as it makes me laugh and sick at the same time 😂.


4.) 30 Jun 2020 10:27:34
Ed002 suggested it would cost around 50m to buy him out of his contract, which is insane. The best solution would be to come up with some sort of an arrangement with another club to buy him for next to nothing and just draw a line under the who situation. That could be a loan for a year with a compulsory purchase option at the end as few clubs will want to take on his contract this summer in light of the global C.V.


5.) 30 Jun 2020 10:38:18
sanchez can't play for us if he comes back.

just loan him and pay half, its better than paying all for a player who has declined.


6.) 30 Jun 2020 11:50:49
I think we are lumbered with paying half Sanchez wages and he never kicks a ball again for us. Not that I wish him too.


7.) 30 Jun 2020 12:23:34
Is there no way we can get a tune out of him? He's only 31 and plenty of footballers are able to engineer some kind of renaissance after a bad spell or an injury.

Maybe a change of position would help? Could he play alongside Bruno as two number 8s? Could he be re-invented as a holding midfielder? Kitman? physio? Bloody hell, I don't know!

What is it that's wrong with him anyway? He used to be pretty good, why did he become so crap?


8.) 30 Jun 2020 18:02:53
I share your frustration MancMan.
He was a super player not so long ago. But he just seemed to fall off a cliff and with his introverted personality he got into a hole and couldn't get out of it. Its ok to choose to be a loner when your playing great but when your playing crap its not ideal.
I still think he has something to offer but the inner camp obviously think otherwise. i'd try to pay him a mutually agreeable settlement and give him a free transfer. He holds most of the cards in that regard.
He will go down on a list for me with blanc ibra larrson and bastian as coming 4 or 5 years after they should have or we would have seen much better players than we did. (Ibra and larrson did well)
If he had hit the ground running and scored a few early doors it might have been so different. But he came he flopped he got worse and worse the hole he was in got deeper and deeper.
Surely he too would do better with bruno in the team? I thought the same about bastian but he just didn't have it in him and it looks like the staff think either he doesn't have it in him or that he is just a wrong fit in the dressing room. Or a bit of both. Having him around as a squad player on his money and with his personality may be seen as potentially disruptive.


9.) 30 Jun 2020 22:35:28
Good point Ken, maybe it is that he is such a miserable so and so that they just don't want him around. Does anyone know how long he has left on his contract?

Also, can anyone remember why we signed him in the first place? Who at the club wanted to bring him in?


 

 

16 Jun 2020 11:10:07
Van De Beek to Real Madrid possibly off? £45m for a clearly talented 23yo would fit into the young side Ole is looking to build. I increasingly suspect money wise though we are only making one signing and RW a bigger first team priority.

Halesini

1.) 16 Jun 2020 11:56:58
I think this rumour is about the club covering their bases. Clearly Sancho is first choice for RW, while Grealish is first choice for AM.

However, in the current climate the club needs to weigh up how much the club spends on transfers and which positions they bring in.

Grealish of 60m or DvdB for 40m? The club needs to try and find better value in this window due to the uncertainties.

While targeting players from the EPL is often preferable for several reasons, it is almost always more expensive than bringing in players from abroad.

Another rumour this morning is the club looking at Leon Bailey as an alternative to Sancho as he would cost around 40m instead of 100m.

While our club is in a stronger position than most, it would be foolish to believe the club could just splash out on fees as if the current situation doesn't exist.

{Ed002's Note - Leon Bailey is a LW and it makes no sense to buy him to play RW.}


2.) 16 Jun 2020 11:56:58
I think this rumour is about the club covering their bases. Clearly Sancho is first choice for RW, while Grealish is first choice for AM.

However, in the current climate the club needs to weigh up how much the club spends on transfers and which positions they bring in.

Grealish of 60m or DvdB for 40m? The club needs to try and find better value in this window due to the uncertainties.

While targeting players from the EPL is often preferable for several reasons, it is almost always more expensive than bringing in players from abroad.

Another rumour this morning is the club looking at Leon Bailey as an alternative to Sancho as he would cost around 40m instead of 100m.

While our club is in a stronger position than most, it would be foolish to believe the club could just splash out on fees as if the current situation doesn't exist.


3.) 16 Jun 2020 17:44:40
Ed002, I'm aware that Bailey primarily plays on the left (although his breakthrough season came playing mostly off the right) .

It was more a point that the club are being linked to other wingers who are supposedly "cheaper" options.

I think that although the club clearly have first choices for each position, due to the unique nature of the window this season and the uncertainty going forward. I would imagine the club won't "break the bank" to sign the first choices if their club's aren't prepared to negotiate down, with the club swiftly moving on to other targets.

Given the financial uncertainty in world football its going to be a tough summer to predict transfer wise. I would imagine that the EPL teams are maybe slightly better off on average than many other European teams. So it might be easier to get a fairer deal abroad than from within the EPL this summer.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United have alternate targets to Sancho although he is still being offered to two other sides as well. I am not aware of any approach by MU for Leon Bailey at this time at all. Certainly Bayer Leverkusen are not looking to sell him and have not been looking for a replacement for him as they have been for Havertz.}


4.) 16 Jun 2020 18:12:20
Ed002 do you think Havertz will move to Bayern?

{Ed002's Note - As it stands right now there is a chance that he might.}


5.) 16 Jun 2020 19:48:17
Imagine Bayern lining up with Lewandowski up top with Sane, Havertz and Gnabry behind with Kimmich and Goretzka holding.

Five of those six being German means they are likely to stay most of their careers.

Defence of Pavard, Sule, Hernandez and Davies, with Neuer in goal.

Long term they have Nubel and Zirkzee to potentially take over from Neuer and Lewandowski.

With a couple of good signings this summer Bayern could be set up for the next 5-8 years.


6.) 17 Jun 2020 13:28:01
And it seems like they'll get Kouassi as well, Shappy. Fantastic squad building by them. Obviously also helps that most German top talents dream of joining them.


7.) 18 Jun 2020 10:59:55
Ed002, who are the alternative targets to Sancho? Cheers.

{Ed002's Note -

Federico Chiesa (RW/F) much more affordable than Sancho but Inter remain keen although talks are now on hold. Fiorentina are willing to sell in the summer for €65M in cash. Very good option for the club.

Cengiz Under (RW) was injured at the start of the season and has not performed well since - Roma wanted him moved on in January - Kluivert and Zaniola have proven to be adequate replacements although JK is really a LW. CU's agents are hawking him around having spoken with several English sides including Spurs and Manchester United as they are expected to pay more. An option exists with Everton for an exchange involving Moise Kean (S). Risky but a viable option.

Ferran Torres (RW/LW) considered as a potential Jadon Sancho replacement but likely priced out of a move to Borussia Dortmund - will end up at Real Madrid or Barcelona in all probability at some point. But, if Salah were to depart Liverpool he could well become an option for them but for now that is not the case. The player has made no secret of his desire to join Barcelona at some point. Valencia have a replacement lined up but the €100M asking price would need to drop to make a transfer anywhere viable this summer. Juventus has enquired after his availability but would need to make sales to fund a move. A third party has suggested to Manchester United that Ferran Torres would be a better option to Jadon Sancho as the deal would be far, far cheaper for them. The player will have no interest in joining Manchester United.

Isaac Lihadji (RW) kiddie from Marseille who is attracting interest of several leading sides - will not be interested in joining MU but Arsenal and Spurs have spoken with his agent - much to the annoyance of Marseille. Common sense dictates he should sign a new contract and stay where he is but Lille and Dortmund are prepared to put high value offers on the table. Heading elsewhere.

Facundo Pellistri (RW) Newcastle, Maritimo, Manchester United and Oviedo have looked Pellistri but a Work Permit would likely be difficult to obtain in England. Manchester City have offered a creative solution. Might be one to not lose sight of.}


8.) 18 Jun 2020 14:47:48
Fantastic, Thanks Ed002. I take it United have no interest in taking either Costa or Bernardeschi from Juventus in a deal for Pogba then?

{Ed002's Note - They don't have that option at the moment.}


9.) 19 Jun 2020 15:45:48
Shappy, Costa and Bernardeschi aren’t good enough and they would be a huge backwards step as far as I’m concerned, especially if it meant Pogba leaving as well. There’s numerous players available who would be far better, and would fit our recent transfer policy. I appreciate the cost involved for Sancho might prove too great, Havertz probably wouldn’t pick United over Bayern, and Bailey possibly wouldn’t pick us over City who are supposedly interested given Sane will be leaving, but if we end up with some Juventus reject on our right wing and a Pogba shaped hole in our midfield next year then it really will confirm what Ed002 has said all along, we are being run by amateurs.


 

 

12 Jun 2020 12:31:57
Do any of the Eds have further info on potential outgoings at United?

Jones, Lingard, Pereira, Mata - all limited first team opportunities ideally.

Smalling, Rojos, Sanchez - all currently loaned out with presumably a preference they don't return.

Suspect from that list:
Jones stays as we unfathomably renewed his contract.
Lingard actively looking to leave, possibly to Italy.
Pereira stays as nobody else can believe he's a premier league footballer.
Mata may return to Spain.
Smalling seemingly content at Roma and we will sell him. Can think of worse places to live and work.
Rojos we will struggle to get shut of.
Sanchez will continue to bleed us dry on £400k pw regardless.

In fairness to Sanchez I liken his situation to Bale at Madrid. If clubs are dumb enough to pay such ludicrous £20m+ a year salaries then he's smart enough to sign up regardless if playing.

Any insight as always would be welcome. I well imagine we need to trim the wage bill and overall squad size irrespective of any new signings.

Halesini

{Ed002's Note - The club is still taking stock of what to do so this is likely out of date:

Diogo Dalot (RB) at the price a potentially viable solution for Spurs but MU could price him out of a move. So I think he will likely stay.
Chris Smalling (CB) The amateurs need to drop the asking price and a move to Roma can go ahead.
Nemanja Matic (DM) new contract so he stays.
Marcos Rojo (LWB/CB) not wanted - Fiorentina interested but MU blocked the move and ended up on loan at Estudiantes who are happy to let him move on – Boca offer an option.
Cameron Borthwick-Jackson (CM) could be released from his contract
Angel Gomes (AM/CM) is a free agent – Barcelona, Borussia Dortmund and RBL have all made enquiries since January and at least two of these three clubs have spoken with the player directly and RBL opted to buy Olmo at the end of January. A third party has recently become involved and have approached two London sides, Chelsea is one and probably Spurs. The player says he would be open to a move to London if there was a guarantee of playing time and that appears to have resulted in the German and Spanish sides to step back. Chelsea and Spurs both have preferred targets for his position and Chelsea do not give guarantees - but Gomes being a free agent may make him attractive to London based sides. Manchester United will push to have him agree a new contract but may need to offer some guarantees.
Paul Pogba (CM/AM) wants out but his options are not good at the asking price and Manchester United have not so far been open to taking players in part exchange.
Tahith Chong (RW) wanted out but persuaded to stay.
Andreas Pereira (AM) will be available but there are no obvious takers.
Jesse Lingard (RW/AM) knows that Manchester United see him as potentially being surplus to requirements at Old Trafford and that the current coach is not keen on him - so, not unreasonably. there is an ad hoc agreement with Mino that allows him to look for other options for the player. Right now I am aware there have been approaches to several sides and that a couple might be open to making a formal approach, but there remains a concern that as an English player there is a high risk if he were to move to mainland Europe - so the interest could easily wane. Interest in England I am told is thin on the ground although at least two sides have been approached - Atletico Madrid, Roma, Newcastle and West Ham. I suspect the summer and decisions yet to be agreed at the club will define whether he stays or goes.
Juan Mata (AM/RW) Was expected to move on in the summer – but now that is not so clear
Deji Sotona (LW) another kiddie who wants out - a "third party" has explained that the kid sees no plan for himself going forward and has made it clear that Manchester United is not the place for him to be. There are options away from England.
Alexis Sanchez (LW/F) Inter have cooled over keeping Sanchez but may be open to a continued loan and even if they do he needs to agree a significant cut in his financial demands. Regardless Manchester United still want to sell him permanently this summer and will be looking for a club to take him - but that will be very difficult. Fallback would be another loan but Manchester United would likely have to pick up most of his wages.


1.) 12 Jun 2020 14:40:11
ED002, is it likely that Sanchez will juat let his contract with the club run down.

{Ed002's Note - No, he will want to be playing.}


2.) 12 Jun 2020 15:15:17
The year is 2053 and Manchester United announce a new deal for future captain, the reincarnation of Duncan Edwards, and the 18 times world gurning champion Phil Jones.

Manchester United manager Scott McTominay said at the press conference that he felt next season we will see the real Phil Jones once he has fully recovered from hip replacement surgery.

Phil Jones had this to say "I just hope I'm able to shake off the hip issues over the summer and start next season fully fit. I feel if I can do that then I will be able to reach my full potential".

When asked by multiple times by every reporter in the room if he is surprised by the new deal, Jones had this to say "Not at all, the club have been really supportive the whole time I've been here. I thought when I lost my lower leg and had a prosthetic that my time would be up, but they gave me a new deal then so I'm not surprised now".


3.) 12 Jun 2020 17:41:22
Ed002,

Is it plausible that Sanchez could be playing for Man Utd next season as apposed to a loan deal?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Sure.}


4.) 12 Jun 2020 18:05:47
Thanks Ed. Very helpful.


5.) 12 Jun 2020 20:00:08
Thanks ED002.


6.) 13 Jun 2020 14:21:24
Phil Jones : A name which should have been off the books ages ago, and who so ever has decided to give him a new deal must be an absolute idiot. Even label of Home grown or English should not have saved him because put any reserve squad player and he will do batter and stay fit for 10 consicutive matches, but i can't see that feather body lad is playing. I feel a total waste of words talking about him. still i took this m7ch pain to write. If its in my hand, he is a free agent tomorrow.


7.) 14 Jun 2020 15:26:53
What is the fee United are asking for Chris Smalling?

{Ed002's Note - The fee is unimportant but Roma want a loan with an obligation to buy next summer.}


8.) 14 Jun 2020 16:09:25
Seems like about the right list to me.


9.) 14 Jun 2020 17:59:37
I’d keep Smalling over Rojo and jones however he doesn’t get ahead of bailly or tuanzebe at back up so best to thank him for his service and let him go. He certainly does deserve to be playing regularly. We forget he was a mainstay under van Gaal and Mourinho. Personally I’d have kept blind over jones and Rojo also.


10.) 14 Jun 2020 18:48:13
Agree with all of that RW.


 

 

 

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13 Aug 2020 19:43:06
Thiago looks like he's heading to Liverpool. Class player who'll only strengthen them. Appreciate he's 29 but €30m looks great business. I'm sure Klopp has given him quite a pitch. Liverpool sadly on the up.

Speaking of Germany does anyone listen to the Phil Brown / Beyond The Pitch podcast? Suggesting Haaland chose Dortmund for football reasons as impressed by their scouting of him, highlighted areas of development and how they'd play him and fine tune his skills etc. Whereas I think United's offer was just a call from Ole. Evidence of the amateur approach that the Eds talk about? Wouldn't be surprised if Bellingham wooed by the same approach.

Got to take your hat off to Dortmund. They've created a business model which has them competing (though largely unsuccessfully) against one of the biggest clubs in the world who dominate their league. Always in the Champs League. Always investing in youth and giving it a chance to shine. And making millions off the back of it.

Halesini

{Ed0666's Note - Dortmund had been courting Harland for a long time. They rolled out the red carpet. Also they gave him and his father a very favorable contract for when and if he moves.


1.) 13 Aug 2020 22:31:32
Thanks Ed. That red carpet got them a very talented player.


2.) 14 Aug 2020 06:20:37
A lot to admire about the Dortmund set-up, but are they destined always to be just the bridesmaid.


3.) 14 Aug 2020 08:35:43
Dortmund was the perfect move for him financially as I am sure his side will receive a chunky portion of the transfer fee when he moves next. Add that to a decent release clause and you have yourself a very good deal for the player. But that deal would not suit a club like ours with ambitions to develop a very good player and retain him for the next 10 years.


 

 

08 Aug 2020 14:10:17
The Sancho deal is inevitably turning into a saga. Perhaps one of Sneijderesque proportions. Am I right in thinking Chelsea are the only club actively pursuing Havertz though? Appreciate mentioned previously that Havertz can play multiple positions as a creative and attacking threat. More than Sancho?

There doesn't seem an obvious need for someone like Havertz given the outlay on Fernandes in his more favoured central orchestrating role but I think Bruno could also play more as an No.8 also. Grealish for £80m or Havertz for similar is surely no contest as to who we should be in for. Giving Chelsea a free run at Havertz is a huge mistake.

I'm less convinced how much money we have available for transfers will cover what we need (RW, CB, AM/ CM) and strongly suspect we will blow all our budget on Sancho IF we sign him.

Shifting Sanchez off the wage bill is a significant piece of business for us. Hopefully the signal that 6 or 7 who we all know whose time should be up will also be on their way out. Strongly suspect there is only budget for one major signing and anything else depends on thinning our oversized / overpaid herd.

Halesini

{Ed002's Note - No other side is looking to Havertz. Manchester United's interest is in Sancho, not Havertz.}


1.) 08 Aug 2020 14:40:42
Thanks Ed. Think we are missing a huge trick not expressing some interest in Havertz. Will be a Hazard type impact at Chelsea.


2.) 08 Aug 2020 15:05:18
Utd won't pay £80 for Grealish, RW winger is a position utd need to address. And going for Sancho shows Ole knows what he needs.


3.) 08 Aug 2020 15:30:07
Why the obsession with Havertz? Are you fed up of Bruno already.


4.) 08 Aug 2020 15:37:48
Sexy name Kai Havertz isn't it lol.


5.) 08 Aug 2020 16:31:07
Seasons been over only a week. Saga?


6.) 08 Aug 2020 16:46:54
Bruno and Havertz can play in the same team. Just like Kevin de Bruyne and David Silva can. Not all teams attack us and we don’t need many players with tons of pace. We need players who can cover multiple positions with quality and Havertz fits the bill.


7.) 08 Aug 2020 17:20:55
Why would anyone think we could get this deal over the line in a few days? We have been told, on here over and over how complicated it will be, vast sums of money involved, intermediary doing the deal and 2 stubborn clubs that don't want to give the other an inch.

Dortmund are in control here and if we pony up what they want eventually we will get the player, i'd say its almost certain we will pony up, but its poker between the 2 clubs atm, did anyone really believe the aug 10th deadline? Imo it will go way beyond that but we will still end up with the player, we need to have a bit of patience and show a bit of faith.


8.) 08 Aug 2020 18:28:09
Season’s actually not even over.


9.) 08 Aug 2020 19:02:40
Deano, I don't see why you say that Dortmund are in control. We may want Sancho, but have other players we can go for. Dortmund don't need to sell, but Sancho wants to leave. If they don't meet us half way, then we can walk away and Dortmund will have a player who does not want to be there and he will have played another year of his contract.


10.) 08 Aug 2020 19:11:26
Tell you what, fabrizio Romano knows his stuff 👌 pirlo new juve manager 👍.


11.) 08 Aug 2020 19:14:54
csf, its obvious all our eggs are in the sancho basket, he is exactly the type of signing the manager and club want, although i agree to an extent with what you say, I still believe we will get him but wouldn't be completely shocked if we loaned coming and revisited this next summer, I hope we don't, I hope we pay, he is the next step in my humble opinion.


12.) 08 Aug 2020 19:23:02
He sure does deano. I've never known a journalist like him. A very good documentary about him on YouTube. A day in the life or something to that effect. He is relentless in his work and is incredibly accurate.


13.) 08 Aug 2020 20:18:56
If its true and there's a 50m agent fee plus 120m for dortmund then it won't get done will it.

Dortmund put a 10th August Deadline on it so Utd not getting this done by then are they.


14.) 08 Aug 2020 20:14:39
If they are Deano, then we are more amateur than Ed002 says. Are you sure we are "one target" United or do the press have an agenda?


15.) 09 Aug 2020 02:10:19
Surely nobody is believing the 10th August deadline as anything but a negotiation tactic.


16.) 09 Aug 2020 04:31:25
How the world moves on. Are we really talking about a $50m agents fee? And no-one was even a little bit sick in the back of their mouth?

Think what some lower division clubs could do with $50m. Not too long ago $50m was the astronomical Torres fee, now it is just the grease for the agents wheel.

How can this continue, detatched from all reality. C.V. decimating the world, millions of people worried about their financial security. But the football machine goes on.

{Ed0666's Note - didn’t Sanchos agent drop his fee rate?


17.) 09 Aug 2020 05:46:23
I hope so ed, I have no idea.

{Ed002's Note - The agent offered a lower fee for two other sides. I am not aware of such a proposal to Manchester United at this time.}


18.) 09 Aug 2020 19:46:22
csf, i'm not sure how amateur we are, from what I can see we scrape by day to day, I just think the boy ticks all the boxes so we will stop at nothing to get him and i believe we will.

Maybe its just me but I'm not on a complete downer like a lot seem to be, i'm a happier united fan than I have been for 7 years so i'm willing to put a bit of trust in the player and even the other folk behind the scenes, not a controversial opinion but mine very own.


 

 

08 Aug 2020 13:27:34
So with Juve looking for a new manager I'm sure there'll be some OleOuts wanting Pochettino in at United before a move to the Old Lady beckons. I think Juve will go for Inzaghe personally though still fascinating to see how one managerial move could ripple through other clubs.

Halesini

{Ed047's Note - why wouldn’t they just go straight to the top and get OGS? 🤷‍♂️


1.) 08 Aug 2020 14:25:47
Or even better go for arteta.


2.) 08 Aug 2020 15:31:30
Barcelona have earmarked him as Setien's replacement?


3.) 08 Aug 2020 15:37:00
Ole building his empire at United Ed047. Shares same record as Pochettino at the moment though - yet to win anything of note.

{Ed047's Note - Empire you say, so that’s what he’s doing and there was me thinking he was just winging life altogether. 🤣


4.) 08 Aug 2020 16:12:48
Me and Liam Neeson share the same record. We've both never won an Oscar.

I don't know why Tarantino won't return my calls?


5.) 08 Aug 2020 16:30:39
We will have a job to hold on to ole as manager. As all the big clubs around Europe are hounding him for his signature 😉.


6.) 08 Aug 2020 16:42:37
Mumbles😂😂😂.


7.) 08 Aug 2020 19:03:27
I see the OleOut is still strong here lol. He will just have to start winning stuff to silence his critics. As will Pochettino.


8.) 08 Aug 2020 19:08:59
Juve went for pirlo 🤔.


9.) 08 Aug 2020 20:16:15
So OLE said no?

{Ed047's Note - yes mate and the Drughi Bianconeri are not happy!


10.) 08 Aug 2020 23:55:18
What are Juve thinking of? Who has Pirlo ever managed, or what has he ever won? Sentimental choice if ever I've seen one. Mind you, he has lovely hair and a gorgeous beard.


11.) 09 Aug 2020 07:28:56
lol Nou :)


12.) 09 Aug 2020 07:35:41
Yeah a bit crazy that appointment Nou. Mm.


 

 

03 Aug 2020 16:25:34
Sancho's plane still not arrived at Ringway apparently but it's definitely on the way.
(Piloted by Sneijder)

Have suggested to United media team that we do a Welcome To Manchester sign as payback for City's (very funny) Tevez stunt.

Halesini

1.) 03 Aug 2020 19:30:21
I know you mean in jest mate, but I sincerely hope we are above that.


 

 

28 Jul 2020 11:25:58
Looks like Zaha is looking to move from Crystal Palace. Think he'd do well in a side like Leicester. Whilst he will always go down as being a 'nearly man' Rodgers does play some good stuff and think he can cement Leicester as a Europa League qualifying team regularly. Any of the Eds / posters know our sell-on clause details? 25% to us of any transfer fee Palace get for Zaha?

Halesini

{Ed002's Note - As I recall it is on a sliding scale.}


1.) 28 Jul 2020 14:17:38
A question for Ed1

Zaha or Grealish? Who do you think is a better player.
Both have the reputation of being "most fouled" and also milking any contact made. Both are the main attacking threats at a weaker side.

{Ed001's Note - I suppose the main thing is how they are intended to be used. Zaha has more pace, so a deep-lying team looking for a player to hit opponents on a quick break would be more suitable for Zaha. A team looking to maintain possession would be better looking at Grealish, though mainly because he will mess about for ages on the ball going nowhere and keep possession that way. To be honest, neither are good enough as they are for United. They would both need to improve their end product to be anywhere near good enough, so you would be picking on potential.

If it was on the way they are now, rather than potential, you would have to say Zaha would be more of a threat to opposition defences, simply because he plays higher up the pitch. Even when they play the same position, Zaha plays it by attacking opponents, while Grealish tends to drop off looking to get on the ball. Grealish wants it in similar areas to Pogba and Bruno, while Zaha would be in the area of Rashford and Martial or Greenwood.

Both can be a bit lazy off the ball as well. A press would be a problem with either, as they tend to be a bit half-hearted with their work tracking back and often get caught watching the ball rather than covering the players behind them. As Grealish is Villa captain and playing for the team he supports, you would have to think there is little chance that is going to improve if he joins another team as well! If he can't chase back for the team he loves, when we all know a player tends to have an extra 5% to their game for the team they support, would you expect him to produce more in another team's shirt?

If I had to have one in my squad I would prefer to have Zaha, he has a much better lifestyle for an athlete, he is a better person to have around the dressing room. Grealish would rather be rolling around in the gutter drunk all summer, while Zaha will take care of himself. When you have a squad with younger, possibly impressionable players in it, the last person you want in it is Grealish, when you could have someone like Zaha, who tends to be more professional. Both train hard while there, but lifestyle away from the coaching staff is just as important imo. So, all in all, I would have to say Zaha, though I have very grave doubts about them both.}


2.) 28 Jul 2020 15:03:42
I wonder if Grealish were not English, would there be any interest from Utd? He is a great player and fits in the profile of wanting young hungry British talent. Not convinced on his work ethic myself. Fair enough he kept them up with a good goal, but was largely ineffective since lockdown.

{Ed001's Note - to be fair, he was carrying an injury since restart, but I would personally have to say that his lifestyle is likely to have contributed to him picking up the injury in the first place.}


3.) 28 Jul 2020 15:07:12
Here's hoping that grealish can change his attitude and lifestyle.

I have heard he is like that from a number of people now ed.

{Ed001's Note - we have all seen the pics of him lying in the gutter and stood with mismatched shoes during lockdown. Unfortunately they are actually representative of his lifestyle in a large way. He does work hard in training, but at some point that amount of drink does have a negative effect, no matter how hard you work to counteract it.}


4.) 28 Jul 2020 15:42:05
Ed001, United are clearly looking as a creative midfielder as per the links to Grealish. You are a good judge of a player. In your opinion who do you think would be the best fit for United?

My preference would be Donny van de Beek, just a very classy player capable of playing as a No.8 and a No.10 so could cover both Pogba and Bruno.

{Ed001's Note - I think you have missed out on the right guy - Havertz.}


5.) 28 Jul 2020 16:54:54
Ed001, Havertz does look like he is going to be a top top player. Very few players can play as many positions to such a high level.

I would be concerned though with having too many young players who need game time to progress. Pogba if he stays and Bruno will be first choice centrally. With Rashford first choice on the left, Greenwood looking like he is ready to play every week, and the possibility of signing Sancho I would wonder where someone like Havertz would fit in.

What's your view on Todd Cantwell and Christopher Nkunku? Both have caught my eye and if we are looking for a CAM/ LM then I'd have both over Grealish all day long.


6.) 28 Jul 2020 16:13:15
To be honest Ed001, we have Bruno and assuming we get Sancho, when fit Bruno Sancho Rashford Martial will be the front 4 so I don't think Kai Havertz would have joined to be a squad player. It was either him or Bruno.

We need someone to rotate with Bruno. I'm not convinced Grealish is that guy though.


7.) 28 Jul 2020 18:04:15
Asked from those photos ed001, I have heard from a few people up his way that he is a disaster and needs to change pronto should be wish to have a prolonged football career at the top.

{Ed001's Note - that is defo going to be a problem for him, he is going down the wrong path.}


 

 

 

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03 Aug 2020 20:12:52
No fee expected. But shaving £400k a week off the wage bill is a godsend. Genuinely thought we’d be lumbered with him on massive money for nothing for another few years.

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22 Jul 2020 18:22:38
Yes John Obi Mikel was a strange one. We did technically buy him and sold him to Chelsea before he kicked a ball as I recall. He was a good player for them.

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Chiesa is a quality player though sounds as though he’s waiting for a bigger Italian club to come in for him?

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13 Jul 2020 13:25:23
Lazy journalism and clickbait adding United have an interest in Chilwell when he looks destined to be in an auction between Chelsea and City.

Quite a few players will be resisting putting pen to paper just yet though until all the Champions League places are sorted. (Appreciate nobody can sign until window open but deals take weeks to sort out) .

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12 Jul 2020 21:54:58
Chelsea like a few teams seem to need a CB and LB.
Offensively they’ve bought / look to be buying well.
Fascinating to see what happens if the ink isn’t dry though and there’s no Champions League. Especially re Havertz.

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13 Aug 2020 22:31:32
Thanks Ed. That red carpet got them a very talented player.

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10 Aug 2020 15:52:03
Mumbles - Pochettino is regularly talked about as being a future United manager. With suggestions that we’ve been in talks with him about the role. Ole had done nothing managerially to suggest he could manage United. And neither has Pochettino. Both never won anything (of significance in Ole’s case) . But rightly or wrongly Ole got the gig.

The point is we have a bad run of games and Ole is out of his depth, should’ve never have got the job etc. But people like Pochettino, who are equally unqualified, are a default flavour of the month when jobs at top clubs come up.

Shappy makes the point in a related thread that if Pochettino is that fantastic a manager why has nobody snapped him up?

Ole is our manager and, as we are entitled to do, takes a lot of stick if things aren’t going well. I’m not seeing how pointing out Pochettino has precisely the same credentials as Ole at the mo is in some way putting him down.

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10 Aug 2020 14:38:40
Spot on Shappy about Pochettino. He does play good attacking football that’s very easy on the eye. But ultimately he’s won precisely naff all with it. I’m not seeing how Ole gets all this PE Teacher stick yet Poch is held up as the Messiah on frankly bugger all evidence.

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10 Aug 2020 14:34:01
Copenhagen may be easier opponents on paper but it’s cup football. Anything can happen. Sevilla (likely) would be tough opponents in the semi as obviously Inter (likely) would be in the final. Win next 3 games and this season is a successful one as we’d have won silverware. That and UCL qualification should be the minimum we look for. Need to start on the front foot tonight. Appreciate team were tired after the premier comeback and games in quick succession / Ole sticking largely to his best XI. But a few games where it took 2mins to settle down. Just can’t afford that in cup football. Really hope we win the Europa. Success breeds success. And besides Ole would be officially a better manager than the never won anything Pochettino then!

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08 Aug 2020 19:03:27
I see the OleOut is still strong here lol. He will just have to start winning stuff to silence his critics. As will Pochettino.

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