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05 Apr 2020 11:06:44
Just seen this on BBC Football rumours section.

Arsenal could attempt to sign Manchester United England midfielder Jesse Lingard, 27, before next season, especially if the loan move of Spanish midfielder Dani Ceballos, 23, to the Gunners from Real Madrid is not made permanent. (Athletic, subscription required)

Did have a some hope for him about 6 or so years ago but he has never kicked on, and is so easily dispossessed, it seems untrue.

Personally, I can't believe Arsenal would go anywhere near him.

{Ed004's Note - Yeah I think it's a very unlikely move as well. I do think it might be best for all parties if Lingard gets a fresh start}

1.) 05 Apr 2020 11:50:13
To be fair to Lingard he's scored some important goals for Utd and always worked hard on the pitch.

I think he was given a chance by Ole this season to really cement his place in the team and add some consistency, creativity and goals to his game. Unfortunately Lingard isn't quite at the level needed to get us back challenging for the top honours. He's been unable to deliver when given the extra responsibility and expectation.

Now we have Fernandes the pressure has been lifted somewhat. I still think Lingard is a decent player and more than capable of being able to deputise for Fernandes on occasions or make an impact off the bench. Whether he wants this role is debatable but I just don't see him moving to another big Club or anyone being prepared to match his wages. I think Lingard should get his head down, work hard and try to make the most of his opportunities when they arise. Football is a squad game and he'll still get plenty of opportunities. You have to fight for your place at any top Club and I'm sure even Lingard would admit he's been woefully short of form for the last 12 months.

If he wants to move and we can get a decent fee then fine but we need squad depth and players like Lingard and Pereria whilst not perhaps being good enough to start every game still have an important role to play at the Club. If they leave they'll have to be replaced and both play in areas where we're not exactly blessed with other options.

2.) 05 Apr 2020 14:23:33
He's a poor footballer DLIB. If he wasn't born under the shadow of Old Trafford he'd have been let go years ago. Just look at the difference a classy AM makes. There's a different aura around the team with Bruno is it. Lingard and Pereira were gifted golden opportunities to make a stake in the team and they've both been shown up.

Lingard should have been a senior member of the club reaching his peak now. But instead he'd rather act the clown and open a fashion label. There is nothing I like about the man or footballer. If we have aspirations of moving up in the world of football, players like Jlingz should be there first to go.

3.) 05 Apr 2020 14:56:33
Fair enough Mumbles I respect your opinion and I must confess it's hard to defend him.

We've definitely struggled at times this season when having to rely on the likes of Lingard and Pereira and the signing of Fernandes has only illustrated what we've been missing.

I agree if we have title aspirations we need better and neither should be regular starters but maybe without the weight of pressure and expectation they can provide cover for the odd injury or perhaps this is just wishful thinking.

4.) 05 Apr 2020 15:48:19
DLIB, sorry but I think that is wishful thinking.

We need so much better than Lingard on the bench, never mind on the pitch, as Mumbles said Lingard really should be reaching his peak and to me he is nowhere near what is required for a team wanting to challenge for major honers.

5.) 06 Apr 2020 07:56:26
I’d keep Lingard. He’s a decent squad player, and we’ve had a think said for too long, and he can still make w contribution.

Andreas in the other hand has never shown why he’s there.

6.) 06 Apr 2020 12:01:59
I don't think Lingard has a long term future at the club. However, if we sold every player most of us don't think is good enough we would be going into next season with about 9 players in the first team, three of which would be goalkeepers.

Ultimately we need to decided which players we can afford to let leave, and which we might need to keep for another year.

Lingard is a useful player in certain situations. He isn't first choice, but if Bruno is out injured or suspended who would you pick, Lingard, Andreas Pereira or Mata?

Lingard might be the best of a bad bunch (Mata is a great little player, but doesn't have the legs to play the way we set up) .

7.) 06 Apr 2020 12:34:51
Shappy it's best for everyone involved if he leaves the club. We could easily replace his stats of 1 goal and 1 assist in 2 years of football. His only saving grace is "He runs around a lot". And for me that's the bare minimum a footballer should do.

He hasn't kicked on at all. His off the field childish antics and his excuses for his terrible performances are not what we need. Him choosing Mino as an agent when the club are looking to not deal with him are another in a list of digs at the club.

You could probably easily rattle off 10 players who could come in and replace him in the squad easily.

8.) 06 Apr 2020 12:41:22
Shappy, I'd pick Mata every time and I really cannot think of any situation where Lingard would be a useful player, I really can't. He runs in to blind alleys most of the time, where he cannot receive a ball, he creates zero and also scores zero for that matter and his hold up play is next to non-existent. He is a poor poor player for the age he is.

Pereira does have age on his side, only just but again I do not think he will make the step up but I hope I'm wrong.

I think both will stay, running down their contracts, with limited opportunities, as I cannot see any prem team wanting them and any other team affording what they get at Utd.

9.) 06 Apr 2020 20:21:18
I think Lingard probably will leave, he has hired an agent renowned for moving players around. I also think at his age he will want to be somewhere where he is first choice and playing most weeks. Which is fair enough, the career of a professional footballer is a short one and if it was me I wouldn't want to spend time on the bench of any club I would want to be out on the pitch playing. I could spend the next 40 years after I retire sitting on the sidelines after all.

That said most people feel the club need to sign a ST, RW, CDM, CB and AM in the summer, the reality is we might sign 3 maybe 4.

So we haven't really got the budget to be replacing squad players this summer. So although Lingard will likely leave, we might have to settle on an aging Mata or Andreas Pereira next season when Bruno is unavailable.

In an ideal world Gomes would have kicked on similarly to Williams and Greenwood this year and signed a new contract then he could have stepped up to replace Lingard. But at the moment he doesn't quite look ready and as yet hasn't signed a new deal.

10.) 07 Apr 2020 06:59:54
I have said before, don’t ignore this lad Mejbri, he looked to have serious talent. If anyone can step in rather than the useless Perreira or ageing Mata it is an exciting youth. Up to Mejbri But if he keeps developing he is the type that may well earn a place. As with all youth you have to see, but look beyond Perreira and Mata.

11.) 07 Apr 2020 10:44:52
Mejbri looks a fantastic talent, he certainly looks like he could suddenly step up out of nowhere similar to Rashford or Williams.

I just wonder if it might be a season too soon for him. He has only been in the academy for 6 months. Certainly one to keep an eye on.




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11 May 2021 13:30:18
I'm probably going to get slaughtered for this a couple of times over but here goes.

Firstly Martial, to me he has all the talent needed to be a great CF, he is quick, can drift past players and has a decent shot on him. I know he gets slated on here and a fair bit of it is justifiable but certainly not all of it.

Now for OGS, if anyone is going to get the best from AM, then it is Ole, with his excellent man management, patience and belief he gives a player.

I for one did question if Ole showed enough passion to motivate players, did he have enough ability to take Utd forward? Well I think he has shown that he has the talent, he can get the best from players. Even the Daily Telegraph have apologised to Ole for doubting his methods.

If you look at Utd now to when the poisonous one was sacked, there is a world of difference, a dressing room in harmony, players wanting to stay and play for Utd and the results. I know it has not all been pretty one touch football (to be honest it is often 10 touch) but we are playing better now than at any time since Fergie. Anyone who thinks not (and there are plenty) must surely be ignoring the facts (or results as I see them), I also appreciate he is still trophy less but we are in a much better position now than when he took over.

{Ed014's Note - just one question, how long has Ole had to work with Martial to date, 3yrs or more?

1.) 11 May 2021 13:53:34
Martial has all the physical attributes to be a top class striker, sadly he doesn't have any of the mental attributes needed.

Of all the managers to have coached Martial Ole has managed to get the best form out of him, for a time.

Martial needs to feel he is 100% first choice no matter what. The moment he has another player breathing down his neck for the starting spot he cracks.

At a top club competition for places is the way of life, or at least it should be. Martial doesn't have the cajones to be a top striker at a top club.

He might look world class at a smaller club where he is undisputed first choice. But the moment a slight bit of pressure is placed on him he will crumble.

That's the thing with elite sports, it's 40% in your body and 60% in your head.

2.) 11 May 2021 14:00:21
Martial has had long enough to improve both is play and his demeanour. Ole isn't brand new anymore, he's had well over 2 years since he was appointed in December 2018, so given Martial is as inconsistent and frustrating as ever, it isn't going to get any better.

Clearly he has talent and ability, but it is shown too rarely. He is passive, makes few runs, games pass him by, his world class ability shows up once every seven games.

{Ed014's Note - ahh 2 years, I wasn’t sure.

3.) 11 May 2021 14:02:50
*Take this with a pinch of salt as it is passed on knowledge* I know someone who lived in the same block of apartments as Anthony and was very complimentary of how he was around my mate and his kid. However, the same friend saw him on multiple occasions getting Deliveroo and takeaways from the main door.

I just can't imagine CR7 or any top player getting his five guys fix or anything else from Deliveroo. This was quite early on in his career but I think it sent the message that he doesn't have the same motivation to be a top player.

4.) 11 May 2021 14:15:07
I thought it was 2.5 years and less but let's not split hairs, he should be doing better, as he is often rightly criticised for not doing so and I agree.

As Shappy points out though, he does have the physical attributes and a lot of his problems are of confidence and that is where I feel Ole will keep working with him and improving his game.

That is where I feel Ole's strengths as a coach are, in his handling of players, to coax and improve their abilities and belief.

5.) 11 May 2021 14:35:53
I just don't think he'll make it. There are rumours that both Jose and Ole wanted to move him on, but the club refused as he is apparently Joel Glazers favourite player. No idea how accurate these rumours are, but we know Jose looked to sign Zlatan and Lukaku to play ahead of Martial, while Ole has signed Cavani.

Both managers when everyone is fit seem to choose an older fading top striker over Martial.

6.) 11 May 2021 14:58:52
Shappy, I have read in the news that he is Joel Glazers favourite and there were rumours that Jose wanted to move on several players such as Martial, Pogba and Rashford, which probably lead to his sacking.

I can't really agree that Ole has overlooked him when everyone is fit, seems to have been the first choice when fit himself. Plus I would not class Lukaku as an older fading player!

7.) 11 May 2021 15:11:21
Ole unfairly got rid of Lukaku to open the door for Rashford to play up front, it didn't work. Then Martial was put up there because we didn't have anyone else, had a decent season in terms of numbers but could always be approved upon. Now Cavani is staying and Pogba seems to like the left wing Martials days are numbered.

We need to be more ruthless within the squad. For years we've given average Joe's and players that have not done it too much time.

Move him on, get as much as we can.

8.) 11 May 2021 15:12:00
Martial would probably need a luke shaw like redemption season next year to make up for his performances this season.

9.) 11 May 2021 15:46:35
I'd sell him tonight. Cheap.

10.) 11 May 2021 16:53:19
You letting your budgie post for you again Leahy?

11.) 11 May 2021 17:18:25
If you are a defender with pace then you won't be too worried about Martial. He doesn't do headers, rarely does tap ins, not much movement, isn't very pro active in and around the box, he won't suddenly surprise you by posing up where you don't expect him, and if you shut him up early he sulks himself out of the game.

12.) 11 May 2021 17:18:27
I'd take 2 budgies and a parrot for him😊.

13.) 11 May 2021 18:13:07
Get rid.

14.) 11 May 2021 18:53:39
jjred he is not an epl player. He would do well in Spain france or Germany imo I wouldn't have him in a pub team there are not that many united players that I would want to give a slap but he is one. i'd love to see him sold not fussy to who. anybody at all really.

15.) 11 May 2021 21:22:01
Martial doesn't have the minerals. If he had my good looks and controlled aggression he'd be a menace.

16.) 11 May 2021 22:26:26
Supasub in a post above you threatened to visit someone with a shotgun. I'm not sure controlled aggression is your thing🤣🤣.



16 Feb 2021 14:56:53
Is it just me or do others feel we should have seen something of Amad Diallo by now?

I am very puzzled by the non appearance, if you pay £37M for a player (no matter what age, Rooney was 18 when we signed him), then he must be in the squad at the very least and making cameos but we have seen nothing?

1.) 16 Feb 2021 15:17:09
We signed wayne rooney in 2004 for goodness sake lol, nearly 20 years ago. The only appropriate comparison for wayne rooney in todays football would have been kylian mbappe in 2017 when he moved to PSG for £160m.

Im sure Diallo will get some game time this season but hell follow a similar transition into the first team like greenwood did, bit by bit because he still needs to develop physically.

2.) 16 Feb 2021 15:36:32
Diallo, the next Rooney 😅

He was signed for his potential, not sure he has played many 1st team minutes anywhere. Although let's be honest, its Oles fault, obviously.

3.) 16 Feb 2021 15:37:56
Rooney's physique was almost twice that of Diallo lol.

Diallo was sick last week and wasn't available for selection for U23's.
I believe the club is building his match fitness.
He was an unused sub for Atalanta for almost 5 months. An occasional sub appearance here and there.

Considering his quality, we may see him pretty soon.

4.) 16 Feb 2021 15:40:10
Have you see his build? he looks like Harry Potters weedier brother.

5.) 16 Feb 2021 15:53:16
Not at all. He is a young kid who has played 59 minutes of senior football for Atalanta.

Yes he was a big money purchase, but he needs time to adapt to his new team, a new country, a new culture and a new style of football.

He's played only a couple of games with the under 23's, while he was impressive in those games it was still obvious that he has some developing to do.

6.) 16 Feb 2021 16:00:52
DSG, I was trying to make the point of £37M for a player not to automatically be a member of the 1st team squad, with very little first team football, is a hell of a risk.

7.) 16 Feb 2021 16:48:08
But you compared him to Rooney when the value 17 years ago is totally different. It’s like signing a £10m player back then, he’s likely going to be a star but we need to manage him right. He is pretty lightweight but I wouldn’t say he doesn’t have strength, I think he will surprise a few, it won’t be long.

8.) 16 Feb 2021 16:55:46
Just look at what we did with Martial Jred, that was a big risk with his limited experience and look how good he turned out.

9.) 16 Feb 2021 17:21:15
We shouldn't be pinning our hopes on such a young untested inexperienced player. Also it is unfair to put such a young guy under such weight of expectation. Good on the club for putting his long term career and interests first.

10.) 16 Feb 2021 18:48:58
No issue at all. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him at all this season in the 1st team unless there is a dead rubber in the el or a fleeting few mins as a token sin before the season ends.
He looks about 15. Lots of ability but epl is like a different sport to anything he has played before.
If he develops like many experts and idk people expect them he will have a very bright future to be honest I wouldn't expect him to make any real meaningful contribution fit a couple if years unless his development accelerates ahead of schedule.

11.) 16 Feb 2021 22:18:12
Ed says don't talk about money so let's park that.

So with that out of the way and 18 yo kid moves to a new country and has spent 4 weeks settling in, been in the match day squad and will make his debut sooner than later.

He's also tore it up at U23 despite not training with the team.

We had to wait (for different reasons) for Rooney's debut.

Fingers crossed Amad bags a hatrick in a European debut.

12.) 17 Feb 2021 00:33:56
crimson are you having a laugh at how martial turned out.

13.) 17 Feb 2021 05:01:02
Well, looking at how our current forwards in Rashford/ Martial are performing I wouldn't mind anyone in their place. Atleast a young player like Diallo would atleast get us excited and entertained.

14.) 17 Feb 2021 11:25:21
So jarred? It is just you 😃.

15.) 17 Feb 2021 19:54:13
looks like it is, oh well it is all about opinions.



07 Feb 2021 11:14:50
Very disappointing end to the game but not unexpected given our defence.

If EB is playing then their 1st goal never happens but he is injured, resting up in the Phil Jones suite.

That is why Ole uses Lindelof, he stays fitter for longer periods then EB. Personally I do not rate VL, he gets dominated in the air plus is weak when pressed, with the ball at his feet but we do not have another centre back, that Ole trusts to stay fit.

On the plus side, we looked a much better balanced team up front, with a proper centre forward. I thought MG had a decent game, seems like he is playing well enough to keep AM on the bench.

1.) 07 Feb 2021 13:52:07

It's worth mentioning how poor Maguire is positionally. Ideally both Maguire and lindleof woild be replaced in the summer.



22 Jan 2021 08:00:07

If Utd win the EPL this season, does that make OGS a better manager than Klopp?

It took Klopp five and a half years to win it while OGS will have won it in two and a half!

1.) 22 Jan 2021 08:27:54
BY that logic Ranieri won the league in his first year, with Leicester who nearly got relegated the season before.

And it took SAF more than half a decade to win the league with Man Utd so Ranieri is better than SAF? NOPE.

So OGS won't be better than Klopp even if he manages to win the league this year, which by the way is nowhere near a certainty.

2.) 22 Jan 2021 08:42:20
No of course it doesn’t.

Although I think Klopp has lost his way a bit this season and has ended up playing mind games with himself rather than other managers, what he’s achieved at Liverpool is huge.

The trophies, the style of football and that magnificent home record stretching almost 4 years should be applauded.

He’s maintained a high level for such a long time, which we know ourselves can’t last forever.

And now they lose at home after all that time, and all of a sudden people are asking might Ole be a better manager than Klopp. It’s laughable it really is.

3.) 22 Jan 2021 08:59:14
I'm guessing this is tounge and cheek right?

There is still a long way to go in the battle for the title, personally I think City will win it, and nothing is won in January. But as I've said before if you do win it I'll be one of the first to say well done. You don't win a league by accident or luck.

4.) 22 Jan 2021 09:31:38
WYred, it is certainly tongue in cheek and I also think City will win it. You are also correct, you don't win a league by accident or luck.

On Ranieri, Jose won 2 EPL titles with what was largely a Ranieri team, apart from the difference maker Drogba. Although Ranieri claims the signing of Drogba to be his idea.

5.) 22 Jan 2021 09:57:16
This year is an unusual season for many reasons. I think whatever happens this year you need to draw a line under it and see what happens next season to really judge how the land lies.

Liverpool played two seasons at absolute full tilt, collecting 97 and 99 points. Their style is very physically demanding, high and aggressive pressing. A lot of their players rank in the top ten in the league for presses, for distance covered, for sprints per game etc.

They have also been very lucky over the past two seasons with injuries, picking up very few and not often to first team regulars.

Then this season comes along, players haven't had a proper break between seasons, practically no pre-season, starting late and finishing at the same time compressing the number of games meaning most teams are playing twice a week all season.

For Liverpool with players who must be close to physical and mental exhaustion it appears too much. Players breaking down injured on a weekly basis. You need a completely different mentality to retain a title as opposed to winning it in the first place. While opponents see you as more of a scalp now and find that extra 10% against you.

Sir Alex used to say you had to work harder as a defending champion than as a challenger. I think for Liverpool they are finding that difficult this season.

That potentially opens a opportunity that hasn't existed in the previous three seasons. Where one of the best sides on paper are having an off season.

If we are able to take advantage of that then great, but that isn't the same as what Klopp did last season where his team had lost the title after getting 97 points, so they just went out and surpassed that to win it last season.

Winning the title is always a great achievement and whoever does it this year will deserve it. But the context on this season means it's an outlier and not the norm.

6.) 22 Jan 2021 11:14:21
It really is bad at the moment 🤦‍♂️😁.

We deserve all the banter we get.

I've seen quite a few still on Oles case hard recently, and whilst I still don't think he's the man to return you to former glory. You're winning more often than not right now.

I think this is a season that people should forget style and just embrace winning.

From my personal experience this season every single game is a absolute slog.

7.) 22 Jan 2021 13:19:24
Klopp has also won a UCL and was a UCL finalist the year before.

His team also plays swashbuckling football often which is something Ole needs to coach our team.

8.) 22 Jan 2021 13:21:57

What has Jose's achievement got to do with Ranieri winning the league with Leicester?

9.) 22 Jan 2021 14:02:39
Deependra, I was merely pointing out that Jose's achievement, in his first stint as Chelsea, could be partly attributed to Ranieri, as he was manager before Jose, just my opinion.

10.) 22 Jan 2021 14:47:49
Unbearable Red. I posted early in the season that Klopp would run out of steam with this team from the way he plays and a difficult season was imminent. Quite reminiscent of His Dortmund after winning the league. You went on the offensive saying I was talking "tripe".

Wanna rethink your views there mate?

11.) 22 Jan 2021 15:10:54
Mumbles, I think you're getting me mixed up with jred, I'm jrred, very similar I know, my apologies.

BTW I do agree with you that it is reminiscent of His Dortmund days. If you play with a certain style/ methodology then teams will suss out how to counter that.

The question for Liverpool fans is has Klopp got anything else in his locker?

The hard part of football management is being able to mix it up, adapt and discover. It is what makes SAF a freak of nature, to be able to stay at the top for so long, absolutely unbelievable.

12.) 22 Jan 2021 15:51:40
It wasn't aimed at you jrred.

Unbearable Red is a Liverpool fan who went on the offensive a few months ago when I dare question Klopps ability to keep this level of performances up. Looks like they lack desire and motivation, which normally happens after you reach the top.

13.) 22 Jan 2021 15:58:16
No Mumbles mate I still feel the same way. You're jumping the gun a bit there pal. But if you want to write us off when we have our first real bad patch of form in 3 years go for it.



10 Dec 2020 21:00:35
almost all shouting for Ole's head and I now agree. Ole has taken us as far as he can and probably further than many thought he could but I think now is the time to replace him. I hope I choke on these words come the summer but I think not.

Watching last night, we just wanted so many touches on the ball, every Utd player waited until a pass was controlled before moving and offering, way too slow. Plus when we have the ball, instead of moving towards the man in possession and offering, we tend to move away making it slower and harder to release the ball.

I'm not surprised that Utd make so many late comebacks, as a player that is what Ole was very good at, his team is similar. We just can't continue to leak sloppy goals it will and is catching up with us.

For a replacement I'd go for Nagelsmann, if he will come. RBL last night blew us away without any so called superstars in their team, they did it by playing to a system and every player knew what to do, where to go, when to push and when to drop they knew what was expected of them.

Liverpool at the moment are suffering quite a few injuries but as they have a well defined system, a system everyone is trained to implement, the players they bring in already know what to do.

1.) 11 Dec 2020 03:10:15
How did naglesman do in the previous fixture? Playing a high line against utd, leaving all that space. He got schooled by Ole the chump. is either game really so definitive?

2.) 11 Dec 2020 07:29:10
Rbl are in the last 16 i'd say nagelsman did the schooling.

3.) 11 Dec 2020 12:33:47
What about Ralph Hasenhuttl? He's done a fantastic job at Southampton and they always play attractive / progressive football with a high press. If he was given a chance at a big club i think he could really do something special.

4.) 11 Dec 2020 12:33:51
Lol Ken, he had nothing to do with our Turkish failure, and that is where we lost qualification. Did he do better, yes because the league doesn't lie, but come on - schooled him?




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06 Apr 2020 12:41:22
Shappy, I'd pick Mata every time and I really cannot think of any situation where Lingard would be a useful player, I really can't. He runs in to blind alleys most of the time, where he cannot receive a ball, he creates zero and also scores zero for that matter and his hold up play is next to non-existent. He is a poor poor player for the age he is.

Pereira does have age on his side, only just but again I do not think he will make the step up but I hope I'm wrong.

I think both will stay, running down their contracts, with limited opportunities, as I cannot see any prem team wanting them and any other team affording what they get at Utd.



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05 Apr 2020 15:48:19
DLIB, sorry but I think that is wishful thinking.

We need so much better than Lingard on the bench, never mind on the pitch, as Mumbles said Lingard really should be reaching his peak and to me he is nowhere near what is required for a team wanting to challenge for major honers.




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17 Jun 2021 16:22:11
when I say bullied on the ground, he gets mugged in possession, plus the goal we conceded in the EL final, very weak not to block the run.



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17 Jun 2021 16:05:13
Herrera, Lindelof is better suited to ladies football, very weak in the air and bullied on the ground.



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09 Jun 2021 21:02:43
Thorn be very careful wish for!



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01 Jun 2021 14:40:23
we need a manager coach, to coach ole.



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14 May 2021 14:10:34
Good post Ports, agree with most of that except the last bit of what Moyes took over from SAF. Moyes was handed on a plate a team that had won the EPL 4 times in 5 seasons. OK the team was getting old but they certainly had not hit the wall over the space of a few of months.

Last night Utd did have pride to play for and to me that is a lot but we never quite had the edge that Liverpool had, they also had to play for pride but also the fact, if they had lost then they would not be getting their hands on the best three losers cup.

Last night also pointed out to me just how important Harry is to us, if just him alone makes THAT defence half decent, then he must be some player. Interesting summer transfer market coming up imo.