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05 Apr 2020 11:06:44
Just seen this on BBC Football rumours section.

Arsenal could attempt to sign Manchester United England midfielder Jesse Lingard, 27, before next season, especially if the loan move of Spanish midfielder Dani Ceballos, 23, to the Gunners from Real Madrid is not made permanent. (Athletic, subscription required)

Did have a some hope for him about 6 or so years ago but he has never kicked on, and is so easily dispossessed, it seems untrue.

Personally, I can't believe Arsenal would go anywhere near him.

{Ed004's Note - Yeah I think it's a very unlikely move as well. I do think it might be best for all parties if Lingard gets a fresh start}

1.) 05 Apr 2020 11:50:13
To be fair to Lingard he's scored some important goals for Utd and always worked hard on the pitch.

I think he was given a chance by Ole this season to really cement his place in the team and add some consistency, creativity and goals to his game. Unfortunately Lingard isn't quite at the level needed to get us back challenging for the top honours. He's been unable to deliver when given the extra responsibility and expectation.

Now we have Fernandes the pressure has been lifted somewhat. I still think Lingard is a decent player and more than capable of being able to deputise for Fernandes on occasions or make an impact off the bench. Whether he wants this role is debatable but I just don't see him moving to another big Club or anyone being prepared to match his wages. I think Lingard should get his head down, work hard and try to make the most of his opportunities when they arise. Football is a squad game and he'll still get plenty of opportunities. You have to fight for your place at any top Club and I'm sure even Lingard would admit he's been woefully short of form for the last 12 months.

If he wants to move and we can get a decent fee then fine but we need squad depth and players like Lingard and Pereria whilst not perhaps being good enough to start every game still have an important role to play at the Club. If they leave they'll have to be replaced and both play in areas where we're not exactly blessed with other options.

2.) 05 Apr 2020 14:23:33
He's a poor footballer DLIB. If he wasn't born under the shadow of Old Trafford he'd have been let go years ago. Just look at the difference a classy AM makes. There's a different aura around the team with Bruno is it. Lingard and Pereira were gifted golden opportunities to make a stake in the team and they've both been shown up.

Lingard should have been a senior member of the club reaching his peak now. But instead he'd rather act the clown and open a fashion label. There is nothing I like about the man or footballer. If we have aspirations of moving up in the world of football, players like Jlingz should be there first to go.

3.) 05 Apr 2020 14:56:33
Fair enough Mumbles I respect your opinion and I must confess it's hard to defend him.

We've definitely struggled at times this season when having to rely on the likes of Lingard and Pereira and the signing of Fernandes has only illustrated what we've been missing.

I agree if we have title aspirations we need better and neither should be regular starters but maybe without the weight of pressure and expectation they can provide cover for the odd injury or perhaps this is just wishful thinking.

4.) 05 Apr 2020 15:48:19
DLIB, sorry but I think that is wishful thinking.

We need so much better than Lingard on the bench, never mind on the pitch, as Mumbles said Lingard really should be reaching his peak and to me he is nowhere near what is required for a team wanting to challenge for major honers.

5.) 06 Apr 2020 07:56:26
I’d keep Lingard. He’s a decent squad player, and we’ve had a think said for too long, and he can still make w contribution.

Andreas in the other hand has never shown why he’s there.

6.) 06 Apr 2020 12:01:59
I don't think Lingard has a long term future at the club. However, if we sold every player most of us don't think is good enough we would be going into next season with about 9 players in the first team, three of which would be goalkeepers.

Ultimately we need to decided which players we can afford to let leave, and which we might need to keep for another year.

Lingard is a useful player in certain situations. He isn't first choice, but if Bruno is out injured or suspended who would you pick, Lingard, Andreas Pereira or Mata?

Lingard might be the best of a bad bunch (Mata is a great little player, but doesn't have the legs to play the way we set up) .

7.) 06 Apr 2020 12:34:51
Shappy it's best for everyone involved if he leaves the club. We could easily replace his stats of 1 goal and 1 assist in 2 years of football. His only saving grace is "He runs around a lot". And for me that's the bare minimum a footballer should do.

He hasn't kicked on at all. His off the field childish antics and his excuses for his terrible performances are not what we need. Him choosing Mino as an agent when the club are looking to not deal with him are another in a list of digs at the club.

You could probably easily rattle off 10 players who could come in and replace him in the squad easily.

8.) 06 Apr 2020 12:41:22
Shappy, I'd pick Mata every time and I really cannot think of any situation where Lingard would be a useful player, I really can't. He runs in to blind alleys most of the time, where he cannot receive a ball, he creates zero and also scores zero for that matter and his hold up play is next to non-existent. He is a poor poor player for the age he is.

Pereira does have age on his side, only just but again I do not think he will make the step up but I hope I'm wrong.

I think both will stay, running down their contracts, with limited opportunities, as I cannot see any prem team wanting them and any other team affording what they get at Utd.

9.) 06 Apr 2020 20:21:18
I think Lingard probably will leave, he has hired an agent renowned for moving players around. I also think at his age he will want to be somewhere where he is first choice and playing most weeks. Which is fair enough, the career of a professional footballer is a short one and if it was me I wouldn't want to spend time on the bench of any club I would want to be out on the pitch playing. I could spend the next 40 years after I retire sitting on the sidelines after all.

That said most people feel the club need to sign a ST, RW, CDM, CB and AM in the summer, the reality is we might sign 3 maybe 4.

So we haven't really got the budget to be replacing squad players this summer. So although Lingard will likely leave, we might have to settle on an aging Mata or Andreas Pereira next season when Bruno is unavailable.

In an ideal world Gomes would have kicked on similarly to Williams and Greenwood this year and signed a new contract then he could have stepped up to replace Lingard. But at the moment he doesn't quite look ready and as yet hasn't signed a new deal.

10.) 07 Apr 2020 06:59:54
I have said before, don’t ignore this lad Mejbri, he looked to have serious talent. If anyone can step in rather than the useless Perreira or ageing Mata it is an exciting youth. Up to Mejbri But if he keeps developing he is the type that may well earn a place. As with all youth you have to see, but look beyond Perreira and Mata.

11.) 07 Apr 2020 10:44:52
Mejbri looks a fantastic talent, he certainly looks like he could suddenly step up out of nowhere similar to Rashford or Williams.

I just wonder if it might be a season too soon for him. He has only been in the academy for 6 months. Certainly one to keep an eye on.




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08 Nov 2021 11:24:11
If I was a Glazer and owner of Utd and had invested the huge sums of money in the summer on the new players and contracts, I would seriously be asking wtf is going on!

They must be putting Woodward under pressure to explain what is happening and indeed not only the last summers investment but the £Billion since SAF's retirement. He has gotten it so wrong it beggars belief.

1.) 08 Nov 2021 12:44:26
We have one of the best squads in football just one of the worst coaching team. They will recoup every dollar when they sell. I think they may sell in the spring of 2022 that's why Ronaldo was signed to keep stock high (also to stop Citie getting him) ??.

2.) 08 Nov 2021 13:29:33
BFRO do you really think we have one of the best squads in football? .

We don't have a world class GK, We have 1 world class defender Varane, Bissaka is a championship level football player, shaws average, and Maguire is average. scott and fred are poor/ below average not prem players. ronaldo, rashford, greenwood, bruno, sancho are all great players but that's about it and they are all forwards.

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3.) 08 Nov 2021 14:16:10
Last season Shaw and Maguire were the best in the Prem now because of poor defensive coaching they look like different players . I've said on discussion page that Jose would coach and win the prem with this squad without a dought. Always has a plan b unlike OGS.

4.) 08 Nov 2021 14:53:27
whether someone could coach and win the prem with this squad remains to be seen but what can be seen is that this is a good squad and should be doing so much better.

It is not as if the defeats to Liverpool and city were even a close contest, we were and are shambolic.

I think the method Ole uses is to get as many forwards as possible onto the pitch and then hope they do something and the other teams don't try to press us!

He keeps playing the same players that did not perform in the previous game, over and over, just hoping something might change and there is a different outcome, Einstein called it the definition of insanity.

5.) 08 Nov 2021 14:57:10
De Gea is world class in my opinion, surely in the top 5.



26 Oct 2021 12:51:59
It now looks like Ole will have the Spurs game to turn it around because, SAF has convinced the board to do so!

I'm not sure what you can suddenly coach in a week what you haven't managed to effectively coach in almost 3 years?

I think Shappy's train of thought that top 4 will do, for our board and owners, looks to be bang on. I'm sure that if top 4 was mathematically impossible then Ole would already be gone.

Personally I think the board are trying to save a bit of face in regards to Ole's new contract. Along with the spiel that has been trotted out on how wonderful Ole is and the immense amount of progress made under Ole!

1.) 26 Oct 2021 14:02:53
What difference is one game going to make?! If he loses is he even less capable than now? Is he even more tactically naieve than now?! Is he even more clueless than now? NOPE
IF he wins is he then a top manager? Is he suddenly the man to take us forward? Will the players get back on side? NOPE
WHERE IS THE POINT! I honestly give up on the people in charge at our club.

2.) 26 Oct 2021 14:19:24
Spurs, Atalanta and City. All games we will have a great chance of losing. In the meantime, Gives us a few weeks to line up the coach and his team we want, and get them in place during the break to start implementing new tactics and ideas. It’s going to happen chaps - just will take a few weeks.



26 Sep 2021 12:22:19
question for all, what do you think is our most realistic change of silverware this season.

For me it would be the Europa League, ie not to progress from the ECL group and drop in to the Europa.

I apologies the the negativity but unless Ole grows a pair of nads and is willing to be more expansive then I can't see us challenging for the Prem or the ECL. The FA Cup will probably have too many decent Prem teams left in as it progresses.

1.) 26 Sep 2021 12:34:56
Carabao cup, until we lost in our first game
No chance of any silverware if Ole is at the wheel.

2.) 26 Sep 2021 13:23:12
Simply put City, Liverpool and Chelsea are three of the best teams anywhere in Europe right now. With possibly only Bayern Munich and PSG being able to realistically match them. None of the the Italian teams are close, Barcelona and Real Madrid both look like being hungover from Messi and Ronaldo and in need of a serious rebuild.

Which means that the competition for the domestic cups is arguably harder than any other domestic cup anywhere in the world. With you needing to beat at least one maybe even two of the top five teams in the world to do so.

UCL will obviously be tougher again. While the aim to create a ESL didn't happens during the summer, the reality is the EPL is as close to a ESL as you might get. Its the highest earning league and many of the mid table sides earn more and have higher wage bills than a dozen former ECL winners do currently.

The league has evolved and is much stronger than it has been in our lifetimes, most likely ever.

While winning silverware is always combination of hard work, talent and good fortune.

3.) 26 Sep 2021 13:41:55
Shappy…you missed the most important ingredient for silverware, good management.

4.) 26 Sep 2021 14:35:42
Hotchpoch, is it? Didn't Di Matteo win the UCL with Chelsea less than 6 months into his disasterious spell in charge?

Hasn't Arteta won the FA cup with Arsenal despite him being a terrible manager?

Many terrible managers have managed to win silverware due to luck, or finding themselves at the right club at the right time, new manager bounce, or by being a very small part in a very well run club.

Clearly a great manager increases your chances of winning something, just as having a well run club, or having great players. Normally it's a combination of all three.

5.) 26 Sep 2021 15:52:28
So either Ole has had no luck whatsoever since 2013 when he won, wait for it, the Norwegian cup, or he is useless. Which is it Shappy? (You know it’s useless but by all means say he is sooooo unlucky)

6.) 26 Sep 2021 15:53:57
Shappy is it? . Maybe Arteta and Di Matteo are better than Ole…how bad does that make our current manager who will do what those two didn’t, win absolutely nothing.

7.) 26 Sep 2021 16:12:11
Lol. Winning silverware doesn't require you to be a good manager/ coach. All you need is a bit of luck, bring a positive attitude/ atmosphere to the club and dressing room and put an arm around the shoulders of players. Be a good man manager. Unfortunately that ain't working for Ole either.

8.) 26 Sep 2021 16:34:58
Hotchpoch they are better no doubt about it when it comes to winning things they are both streets ahead of ole.

9.) 26 Sep 2021 17:01:38
Ken. sadly I couldn’t agree more, how the mighty have fallen.

10.) 26 Sep 2021 20:41:58
Love Utd, I’m afraid it’s a little more then that in being a manager as the greats have shown every year, when you need a win setting up to get that win, in game management when your trailing in dying mins, knowing your opposition, setting up different ways to bit all different types the list goes on
But sadly our manager is no good at none of them so we do the same thing over and over.
Our team could not be more boring or lethargic even if Ole employed Shappy to write and read to them in pre match!



11 May 2021 13:30:18
I'm probably going to get slaughtered for this a couple of times over but here goes.

Firstly Martial, to me he has all the talent needed to be a great CF, he is quick, can drift past players and has a decent shot on him. I know he gets slated on here and a fair bit of it is justifiable but certainly not all of it.

Now for OGS, if anyone is going to get the best from AM, then it is Ole, with his excellent man management, patience and belief he gives a player.

I for one did question if Ole showed enough passion to motivate players, did he have enough ability to take Utd forward? Well I think he has shown that he has the talent, he can get the best from players. Even the Daily Telegraph have apologised to Ole for doubting his methods.

If you look at Utd now to when the poisonous one was sacked, there is a world of difference, a dressing room in harmony, players wanting to stay and play for Utd and the results. I know it has not all been pretty one touch football (to be honest it is often 10 touch) but we are playing better now than at any time since Fergie. Anyone who thinks not (and there are plenty) must surely be ignoring the facts (or results as I see them), I also appreciate he is still trophy less but we are in a much better position now than when he took over.

{Ed014's Note - just one question, how long has Ole had to work with Martial to date, 3yrs or more?

1.) 11 May 2021 13:53:34
Martial has all the physical attributes to be a top class striker, sadly he doesn't have any of the mental attributes needed.

Of all the managers to have coached Martial Ole has managed to get the best form out of him, for a time.

Martial needs to feel he is 100% first choice no matter what. The moment he has another player breathing down his neck for the starting spot he cracks.

At a top club competition for places is the way of life, or at least it should be. Martial doesn't have the cajones to be a top striker at a top club.

He might look world class at a smaller club where he is undisputed first choice. But the moment a slight bit of pressure is placed on him he will crumble.

That's the thing with elite sports, it's 40% in your body and 60% in your head.

2.) 11 May 2021 14:00:21
Martial has had long enough to improve both is play and his demeanour. Ole isn't brand new anymore, he's had well over 2 years since he was appointed in December 2018, so given Martial is as inconsistent and frustrating as ever, it isn't going to get any better.

Clearly he has talent and ability, but it is shown too rarely. He is passive, makes few runs, games pass him by, his world class ability shows up once every seven games.

{Ed014's Note - ahh 2 years, I wasn’t sure.

3.) 11 May 2021 14:02:50
*Take this with a pinch of salt as it is passed on knowledge* I know someone who lived in the same block of apartments as Anthony and was very complimentary of how he was around my mate and his kid. However, the same friend saw him on multiple occasions getting Deliveroo and takeaways from the main door.

I just can't imagine CR7 or any top player getting his five guys fix or anything else from Deliveroo. This was quite early on in his career but I think it sent the message that he doesn't have the same motivation to be a top player.

4.) 11 May 2021 14:15:07
I thought it was 2.5 years and less but let's not split hairs, he should be doing better, as he is often rightly criticised for not doing so and I agree.

As Shappy points out though, he does have the physical attributes and a lot of his problems are of confidence and that is where I feel Ole will keep working with him and improving his game.

That is where I feel Ole's strengths as a coach are, in his handling of players, to coax and improve their abilities and belief.

5.) 11 May 2021 14:35:53
I just don't think he'll make it. There are rumours that both Jose and Ole wanted to move him on, but the club refused as he is apparently Joel Glazers favourite player. No idea how accurate these rumours are, but we know Jose looked to sign Zlatan and Lukaku to play ahead of Martial, while Ole has signed Cavani.

Both managers when everyone is fit seem to choose an older fading top striker over Martial.

6.) 11 May 2021 14:58:52
Shappy, I have read in the news that he is Joel Glazers favourite and there were rumours that Jose wanted to move on several players such as Martial, Pogba and Rashford, which probably lead to his sacking.

I can't really agree that Ole has overlooked him when everyone is fit, seems to have been the first choice when fit himself. Plus I would not class Lukaku as an older fading player!

7.) 11 May 2021 15:11:21
Ole unfairly got rid of Lukaku to open the door for Rashford to play up front, it didn't work. Then Martial was put up there because we didn't have anyone else, had a decent season in terms of numbers but could always be approved upon. Now Cavani is staying and Pogba seems to like the left wing Martials days are numbered.

We need to be more ruthless within the squad. For years we've given average Joe's and players that have not done it too much time.

Move him on, get as much as we can.

8.) 11 May 2021 15:12:00
Martial would probably need a luke shaw like redemption season next year to make up for his performances this season.

9.) 11 May 2021 15:46:35
I'd sell him tonight. Cheap.

10.) 11 May 2021 16:53:19
You letting your budgie post for you again Leahy?

11.) 11 May 2021 17:18:25
If you are a defender with pace then you won't be too worried about Martial. He doesn't do headers, rarely does tap ins, not much movement, isn't very pro active in and around the box, he won't suddenly surprise you by posing up where you don't expect him, and if you shut him up early he sulks himself out of the game.

12.) 11 May 2021 17:18:27
I'd take 2 budgies and a parrot for him😊.

13.) 11 May 2021 18:13:07
Get rid.

14.) 11 May 2021 18:53:39
jjred he is not an epl player. He would do well in Spain france or Germany imo I wouldn't have him in a pub team there are not that many united players that I would want to give a slap but he is one. i'd love to see him sold not fussy to who. anybody at all really.

15.) 11 May 2021 21:22:01
Martial doesn't have the minerals. If he had my good looks and controlled aggression he'd be a menace.

16.) 11 May 2021 22:26:26
Supasub in a post above you threatened to visit someone with a shotgun. I'm not sure controlled aggression is your thing🤣🤣.



16 Feb 2021 14:56:53
Is it just me or do others feel we should have seen something of Amad Diallo by now?

I am very puzzled by the non appearance, if you pay £37M for a player (no matter what age, Rooney was 18 when we signed him), then he must be in the squad at the very least and making cameos but we have seen nothing?

1.) 16 Feb 2021 15:17:09
We signed wayne rooney in 2004 for goodness sake lol, nearly 20 years ago. The only appropriate comparison for wayne rooney in todays football would have been kylian mbappe in 2017 when he moved to PSG for £160m.

Im sure Diallo will get some game time this season but hell follow a similar transition into the first team like greenwood did, bit by bit because he still needs to develop physically.

2.) 16 Feb 2021 15:36:32
Diallo, the next Rooney 😅

He was signed for his potential, not sure he has played many 1st team minutes anywhere. Although let's be honest, its Oles fault, obviously.

3.) 16 Feb 2021 15:37:56
Rooney's physique was almost twice that of Diallo lol.

Diallo was sick last week and wasn't available for selection for U23's.
I believe the club is building his match fitness.
He was an unused sub for Atalanta for almost 5 months. An occasional sub appearance here and there.

Considering his quality, we may see him pretty soon.

4.) 16 Feb 2021 15:40:10
Have you see his build? he looks like Harry Potters weedier brother.

5.) 16 Feb 2021 15:53:16
Not at all. He is a young kid who has played 59 minutes of senior football for Atalanta.

Yes he was a big money purchase, but he needs time to adapt to his new team, a new country, a new culture and a new style of football.

He's played only a couple of games with the under 23's, while he was impressive in those games it was still obvious that he has some developing to do.

6.) 16 Feb 2021 16:00:52
DSG, I was trying to make the point of £37M for a player not to automatically be a member of the 1st team squad, with very little first team football, is a hell of a risk.

7.) 16 Feb 2021 16:48:08
But you compared him to Rooney when the value 17 years ago is totally different. It’s like signing a £10m player back then, he’s likely going to be a star but we need to manage him right. He is pretty lightweight but I wouldn’t say he doesn’t have strength, I think he will surprise a few, it won’t be long.

8.) 16 Feb 2021 16:55:46
Just look at what we did with Martial Jred, that was a big risk with his limited experience and look how good he turned out.

9.) 16 Feb 2021 17:21:15
We shouldn't be pinning our hopes on such a young untested inexperienced player. Also it is unfair to put such a young guy under such weight of expectation. Good on the club for putting his long term career and interests first.

10.) 16 Feb 2021 18:48:58
No issue at all. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him at all this season in the 1st team unless there is a dead rubber in the el or a fleeting few mins as a token sin before the season ends.
He looks about 15. Lots of ability but epl is like a different sport to anything he has played before.
If he develops like many experts and idk people expect them he will have a very bright future to be honest I wouldn't expect him to make any real meaningful contribution fit a couple if years unless his development accelerates ahead of schedule.

11.) 16 Feb 2021 22:18:12
Ed says don't talk about money so let's park that.

So with that out of the way and 18 yo kid moves to a new country and has spent 4 weeks settling in, been in the match day squad and will make his debut sooner than later.

He's also tore it up at U23 despite not training with the team.

We had to wait (for different reasons) for Rooney's debut.

Fingers crossed Amad bags a hatrick in a European debut.

12.) 17 Feb 2021 00:33:56
crimson are you having a laugh at how martial turned out.

13.) 17 Feb 2021 05:01:02
Well, looking at how our current forwards in Rashford/ Martial are performing I wouldn't mind anyone in their place. Atleast a young player like Diallo would atleast get us excited and entertained.

14.) 17 Feb 2021 11:25:21
So jarred? It is just you 😃.

15.) 17 Feb 2021 19:54:13
looks like it is, oh well it is all about opinions.




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06 Apr 2020 12:41:22
Shappy, I'd pick Mata every time and I really cannot think of any situation where Lingard would be a useful player, I really can't. He runs in to blind alleys most of the time, where he cannot receive a ball, he creates zero and also scores zero for that matter and his hold up play is next to non-existent. He is a poor poor player for the age he is.

Pereira does have age on his side, only just but again I do not think he will make the step up but I hope I'm wrong.

I think both will stay, running down their contracts, with limited opportunities, as I cannot see any prem team wanting them and any other team affording what they get at Utd.



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05 Apr 2020 15:48:19
DLIB, sorry but I think that is wishful thinking.

We need so much better than Lingard on the bench, never mind on the pitch, as Mumbles said Lingard really should be reaching his peak and to me he is nowhere near what is required for a team wanting to challenge for major honers.




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03 Dec 2021 13:08:22
Perfectly good goal for me, always play to the whistle and never turn your back on the play, the most basic things a footballer should always do.

I remember being at OT when Heinze turned his back on play, they took a quick free kick and flew past him as he was totally unaware, ended up a corner and yes Keane went bizzerk at him.

Good performance I thought and we were well worthy of the win, let's see what Sunday brings.



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23 Nov 2021 13:30:55
will our board actually go in all guns blazing and quickly get poch or will they revert to type and try to negotiate the compensation package down.



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22 Nov 2021 16:25:16
bfbw, last time he threw darts blindfolded, one flew out of the window, hit Ole, who was visiting a few mates and the rest is history!



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21 Nov 2021 12:42:20
it worked so well last time we have now appointed an interim to an interim.



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18 Nov 2021 16:00:14
sorry just read my post back and that should have read "Denis as THE greatest of them all. " and not "Denise as THE greatest of them all. "

My apologies to the Lawman.